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Coast Guard Logs Indicate White House Knew Early on that Gulf Disaster Might be Bigger Than Exxon Valdez

Any investigation ultimately comes back to two questions:
1. What did they know?
2. When did they know it?

In order to determine the answers to these critical questions, investigators need to have real transparency and integrity in their pursuit of information. To this end, I welcome adding a link to my Watchdog category (right sidebar at Sense on Cents) for the The Center for Public Integrity.

In the pursuit of transparency and integrity to understand what really happened in the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, the Center reviewed logs from the Coast Guard. What did they learn? The Center recently released a story highlighting the fact that the White House knew very early on that this disaster had the potential to be larger than the Exxon Valdez. The Center wrote, Coast Guard Logs Reveal Early Spill Estimate of 8,000 Barrels a Day:

Coast Guard officials grasped the potential threat of a catastrophic spill within hours of the explosion on board the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig, estimating that 8,000 barrels a day of crude oil could possibly gush out of the well in the event of a complete blowout, according to Coast Guard logs.

Over the first three days of the crisis — long before the public heard of a leak — the minimum estimate for a total well blowout ballooned eight-fold and the president was warned by his top aides that a major spill larger than the 1989 Exxon Valdez might be coming, according to the documents and interviews. (LD’s emphasis)

The logs, obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, provide the most detailed account of the early days of the BP disaster, and identify key events and notifications that were omitted from the White House’s official timeline of the crisis.

The estimate of the potential leak on April 21, the day after the rig exploded, reveals that first responders almost immediately understood the environmental threat to the Gulf of Mexico when Coast Guard officials detected the first signs of oil appearing on the Gulf waters.

“Potential environmental threat is 700,000 gallons of diesel on board the Deepwater Horizon and estimated potential of 8,000 barrels per day of crude oil, if the well were to completely blowout,” the Coast Guard reported on April 21, less than 24 hours after the accident was first reported.

Officials also learned within the first day of the disaster that the blowout preventer — an oil rig safety device that is supposed to cut off a well in case of an accident — was not functioning and could not be manually repaired by remote underwater robots.

“The second attempt of the ROV to shut-in the well has failed,” an entry at 11 a.m. CDT on April 21 read.

By April 23, the Coast Guard logs include a new estimate that a full blowout could result in a spill of 64,000 to 110,000 barrels per day, the logs show.

The leak estimates revealing an early awareness of a potential catastrophe are missing from the White House’s official timeline of the crisis. (LD’s emphasis)

That timeline first mentions a leak on April 24, four days after the explosion, when undersea robots discovered a plume of oil coming from the riser on the sea floor.

The White House has repeatedly rejected criticisms from both sides of the political aisle that it did not act quickly or decisively enough in the early days of the BP disaster, noting that the president on April 22 issued a public statement urging the federal government to make the accident its “No. 1 priority” and asserting that officials were worried about the environmental impact from the start.

White House spokesman Nick Shapiro did not respond to a questions from the Center submitted Tuesday about the logs. However, Shapiro told The New York Times that the White House timeline included a disclaimer at the bottom saying it was not meant to be comprehensive.

Shapiro also confirmed that in an April 22 meeting, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen told President Barack Obama that as soon as he saw the Deepwater Horizon oil rig on fire, he knew oil was likely to start gushing into the Gulf of Mexico. At that same meeting, Shapiro said, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told the President this event could eclipse the amount of oil spilled during the Exxon Valdez.

The logs were provided to the Center by Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the senior Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The Center shared them with The New York Times.

“Less than 48 hours after the explosion, multiple attempts to activate the blowout preventer had already failed and the Coast Guard knew 8,000 barrels of crude oil spilling into gulf waters each day was a real possibility,” Issa told the Center.

“Americans have a right to be outraged by this spill, by top government officials caught off-guard, and by the facts the White House omitted in explaining what it knew and when it knew it,” he said.

The logs show that Coast Guard officials comprehended the possible scope of the spill nearly a week before an estimate was released measuring the leak at 5,000 barrels a day. That estimate led to an escalated response by the government.

Coast Guard officials declined to comment about the logs. Officials from the Homeland Security Department did not respond to phone calls and email messages.

The logs detail the failed attempts to repair the blowout preventer on the sea floor, which was spewing oil that also fueled the fire on the rig. The logs also show that, as an extensive and wide-ranging search and rescue mission unfolded, the size of the oil slick was growing daily on the ocean’s surface, though Coast Guard officials believed that the oil was mainly being burnt off in the fire.

“There was a reported sheen while the MODU (mobile drilling unit) was afloat. However, the majority of the pollution was being mitigated by the fire,” read a Coast Guard entry dated 1:26 pm CDT on April 22. By that time, estimates of a visible oil sheen measured 16 square nautical miles.

A day earlier, a smaller sheen was detected.

“Sheen size is as follows: 2 miles by ½ mile, with 50 percent coverage with color ranging from dark to barely visible. The amount is estimated to be 30 gallons,” states a Coast Guard log entry dated 11:15 a.m. CDT on April 21. It said the sheen was first spotted at 10:10 a.m. that morning.

Additionally on April 22, a Coast Guard craft returning from a rescue mission spotted signs of a possible natural gas leak after the rig sank, further evidence that hydrocarbons might be leaking. “On return to home base, discovered what appeared to be a large area of bubbles in water, possible natural gas leak,” says a log entry dated the evening of April 22.

By early the morning of April 23, the Coast Guard had already flown five sorties and applied 1,500 gallons of dispersant to locations where sheens were reported, according to the logs, though officials that same day said the well appeared to be not leaking.

The White House timeline doesn’t mention any of the earlier sheens but does note on April 22 that 100,000 gallons of dispersant were “prepositioned” for use in the Gulf and “preapproved” by regulators “despite a lack of apparent leak.”

The logs, however, show the pre-positioning of the dispersant occurred after the oil sheens had already been discovered, the blow-out preventer was determined to be broken, and the first sorties launched to apply dispersant. The first dispersant flight departed at 2:43 p.m. CDT on April 22, according to an internal timeline kept by the Coast Guard.

The first mention on the White House timeline of any oil sheens occurs April 23 — two days after the first slicks were detected — when the timeline notes “an oil sheen was reported with approximately 8,400 gallons estimated on the water and there was no apparent leak.”

In contrast, the Coast Guard logs talk openly on the first day about a free flow of oil and about efforts by the rig’s owner, Transocean, to use a remote vehicle to stop the flow.

“Transocean is developing a plan to stop the flow/fire using an ROV” the logs note on April 21.

Conflicting reports seemed to complicate what appeared to be a simple chain of events: the rig continued to gush up until the moment it sank, making a leak seemingly inevitable.

On the morning of April 23, an undersea robotic vehicle reported that the valve on the blowout preventer had closed, sealing off the well, though that report was found to be false several hours later, the logs show.

The confusion in these reports may explain why the Coast Guard stated publicly that day that there appeared to be no leak.

Despite that report, BP began to establish an incident command post on April 23 “to prepare for potential release,” estimating that a release of 64,000 to 110,000 barrels a day could occur “if the well were to completely blowout.”

Coast Guard officials have repeatedly stated that they were preparing for a worst case scenario, and initially ordered a variety of oil response vessels to come to the scene, including a team that is assigned to respond to oil spills.

Oil skimming began and continued during the efforts to find the 11 workers who were initially missing and later presumed dead — efforts that were also complicated by what appears to be misinformation and false leads.

On the morning of April 22, members of the unified command held a phone conference to discuss the potential spill if the rig sank, which it did less than two hours later.

Around mid-day, aircraft flying over the spill reported a sheen of sixteen square miles, but added that “it wasn’t as bad as they imagined,” the logs state.

At a press conference that afternoon, Rear Admiral Mary Landry said that the oil on the surface appeared to be residual from the fire, though she raised the possibility that the gallons of diesel fuel on board might have begun leaking after the rig sank.

The next day, as the search for the missing 11 workers came to a close, Admiral Landry, possibly misled by the erroneous early report, said that it appeared that the blowout preventer had worked.

“It is not a guarantee,” she said at a news conference, “but right now we continue to see no oil emanating from the well.”

The understanding that oil was not leaking at the wellhead is corroborated by the logs, though at the time, a survey of the entire riser, which was still attached to the blowout preventer, had not been completed.

Coast Guard officials did caution that there was still uncertainty surrounding the status of the blowout preventer, but continued to view the 180,000 barrels of oil and water mix on the surface as residual from the days the rig was on fire.

On the morning of Saturday, April 24, an undersea robot noticed “a small quantity of unknown material” emanating from the drill pipe, which is encased in the riser.

After surveying the leak, it was determined that 1,000 barrels a day were pouring from the riser.

If the Coast Guard logs are to be believed, and the White House knew within the first three days of this crisis that the oil spill could likely be larger than the Exxon Valdez, what does that say about the White House response? Was the White House ‘playing politics’ when it should have been in emergency mode to protect the Gulf? Did the White House display sense on cents and protect our national interests?

Who knew what and when did they know it? The Coast Guard logs would indicate the White House knew a lot, very early on.

Thank you to the Center for Public Integrity for doing such fabulous investigative work.

LD

  • Docelder

    I think at the best they knew this would be a catastrophe and thought that thety could stay out of it and let BP take any heat provided that BP stopped it soon enough and nobody would know how bad it really was. Therefore, the dispersants were approved in ecologically inappropriate amounts in the attempt to hide the enormity and hoping the fix could be made and noody would know the truth. There was also no information and no live feed to the public. The dispersant was used in the 4 inch pipe to keep the oil from floating up which it would have naturally done. Now that BP has botched the fix and the whole world knows the enormity… well now it’s time for Captain Kickass. But even that is just more Kabuki.

  • Docelder

    I think at the best the White House knew this would be a catastrophe and thought that they could stay out of it and let BP take any heat provided that BP stopped the leak soon enough and nobody would know how bad it really was. Therefore, the dispersants were approved in ecologically inappropriate amounts in the attempt to hide the enormity of the leak amount and hoping the fix could be made and nobody would ever know the truth. There was also little public information and no live feed to the public. The dispersant was used in the 4 inch pipe at the source of the leak to keep the oil from floating up which it would have naturally done. Now that BP has botched the fix and the whole world knows the enormity… well now it’s time for Captain Kickass. But even that is just more Kabuki. What we are left with now is a giant underwater mass of oil that we couldn’t get to if anybody wanted to clean it up. Plus one of the greatest reserves of petroleum left in the gulf flowing probably until it depletes itself.

  • donjo

    Impeach BP!  (Then Obama)

  • Docelder

    This is not the BP that I knew.

  • HARP

    Have you plugged the hole yet Daddy?

  • felizarte

    In short, Obama, IS LYING!

  • kiltie

    There are a couple of blogs (citizen wells, hillbuzz) talking about strange maneuvers on Grand Isle off the coast of Louisiana.  No cameras, arrests being made if caught with a camera, some force (military or BP people) running the show.  Lots of helicopters, humvees, etc.  The  air space above the spill is closed to air traffic, as James Fox was going to go up in a plane and take photos.   A friend of newsman James Fox had flown over it a week ago and said one of the plumes  was wide and 20 miles long, at that time.  I listened to a James Fox, newsman, talking about it to a news channel (Veritas) on citizen wells, and he is saying it’s a complete media blackout.  It’s alarming.  He compared the citizenry as being like under martial law.  Hillbuzz is offline at the moment for some reason.

  • Becky

    this is what I think.  I think Obama’s intent is to destroy this country.  I haven’t seen any evidence that he loves this country.  None.   He is a man who was put in place to accomplish an end ~ destroy America, and by God, or Allah, or whatever, that is what he is going to do.

  • FLDemFem

    Now the USGS is doubling the estimate of how much oil has leaked, and is leaking. They say that 20,000 to 40,000 barrels a day has been spewing into the Gulf. That’s 840,000 to 1.7 million gallons A DAY. 

    Just to give you an idea of how very much oil that is.. this from the article..
    “From 2000 to 2009, 72 spills dumped 18,000 barrels of oil into U.S. federal waters..”
    So, on every day, the BP “leak” is putting more oil in the ocean than ALL the spills in the nine years previous. EVERY DAY!!!

    And it looks like they may stop washing birds and just euthanize them. The survival rate of oil-soaked birds is about 1%.

  • kafir

    Impeach BP! (Then Obama follow by his clandestine conspirators) 

  • kafir

    Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Obama is doing his Jihad job now! Either you submit or be perished.

    Obama is doing a fantastic job for the Islamic world. Once America   is subdued, half the battle is won.

  • kafir

    Obama is a congenital liar, never trust the liar in the White House. Obama is an illegitimate president for telling all kinds of lies! Obama has committed a felony and should be sent to jail for life without parole- a deterrent for future con president.

  • sybilll

    I have what may sound like a really stupid question, but, here goes……the day of the explosion, every major news outlet covered it.  Can’t a rig explosion lead to a leak?  So, we need a Coast Guard timeline to prove the WH knew?  Or is it that Obama’s only viable news outlet, HuffPo, didn’t report it?

  • kafir

    Obama will not be interested in how much the oil has leaked per day, Obama will be interested only on how much the oil has damaged America.

    Impeach this sob before more damages are done to America.

    This is just one (a real big one)  of the many strikes inflicting on America by Obama since Obama helms the White House.

    Obama’s twin brother Osama can relax now now that America is busily salvaging from this environmental destruction at home.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    FL Senator Bill Nelson and Billy Nungesser, president of Louisiana’s Plaquemines Parish, told spoke to the Senate Subcommittee today. Both said no one is in charge of the disaster.

    Nussburger said, “I still don’t know who’s in charge,” he said. “Is it BP? Is it the Coast Guard? … I have spent more time fighting the officials of BP and the Coast Guard than fighting the oil.” What is needed, he said, is someone “with the guts and the will to make decisions.”

    Nelson said, “It is clear from todays discussions that BP is in Charge of some work and the Coast Guard is in charge of some work and neither of them talk to each other.”

    The “Unified Command” is not unified and decisions are not being made.

    Many crews in the gulf hired by BP to contain and clean are still idle. The press has reported about booms that have not been spread.

    I know one contactor hired by BP to skim and clean that has not been put to work after mobilizing a month ago.

    It appears that the spill is intentionally being allowed to spread. Not my words, this is from the contractor.

    The Federal Government is not doing what it is mandated by law to do, and there is no Unified Command, nor any resemblence of command and control.

    That is not from me, that is what the State and local governments and private contractors are saying.

    Nothing new. That is what I have been commenting for a month.

    As usual, Sparrow will provide rebuttal comment below that I am full of shit.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    On The CNBC Kudlow Report there was a report from Goldman Sachs that the BP cost for the disaster will total to at least $180 billion. The consensus of the panel was that BP can not weather this financial hit and likely will file bankruptcy.

    Kudlow had a panel of oil industry and drilling exec’s that appeared quite pissed that BP cut the corners that caused this disaster bringing a black eye and financial hit to the entire industry, especially the drilling exec’s.

    The consensus was that BP should pay for the entire effort, and that $180 billion seemed accurate. They stated that if BP files bankruptcy it would not allow BP to get out of it’s financial obligation to the disaster.

    They agreed, as I have been saying, that BP should pay the idled drill rig employees full pay as part of the economic consequence.

    The consensus was that BP will become a company whose sole existence is to clean the spill, and their entire bottom line would go to that effort for at least a generation. BP would not be the company it once was. The entire structure would change to make clean up, not oil production, the priority.

    Shareholders will lose, as they should.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    And the scientific community has been saying that total was more like 70,000 to 100,000 barrels per day. And, when the riser was cut the flow increased.

    The USCG and BP’s estimates are BS and are intended to minimize the disaster.

  • Hank

    I think Obama intentionally let the spill go on to help him pass his Cap and Trade agenda. 

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    And it looks like they may stop washing birds and just euthanize them. The survival rate of oil-soaked birds is about 1%.

    Not a good outcome at all. So much for the Federal “scientists” who say building berms to keep the oil out of the marshes will be a worse environmental outcome than if the oil was allowed to enter the marshes.

    The gulf fishery is screwed already. Sucking sand off the seabed to build the barriers may destroy sea turtle and other marine life nesting, but they are already screwed by the oil.

    The oil that gets into the marshes will be impossible to clean and will take mother nature hundreds of years to remediate.

    The BS flow is bigger than the oil flow.

  • Docelder

    I wonder if we are going to wind up owning BP now the same as we own GM… hmm. ANd BP will hire make work people on the coast and do cleanup forever and never again drill for oil. Maybe goldman Sachs was right to dump the BP stock before the explosion. Not just right but very right… too right actually. hmm. This is starting to add up.

  • kafir

    George H Walker will be fuming against Obama for spoiling his fishing trips in the Gulf!

  • sybilll

    BP should pay for idle rigs that Obama put on moratorium, even though more oil has been spilled by freighters historically?  If Delta has a plane crash tomorrow, and Obama grounds all air travel, does Delta pay for all related job loss expense, for all employees of all airlines, and all residual employees?   I hope that is not the consensus thinking here.

  • betty

    I saw a film clip of Katie Curic talking to a LA reporter who says she was prevented by BP and the Coast Guard filming the oil damage.  She showed a clip of a Coast Guard officer hanging out a boat window telling her to leave or be arrested and that he was acting on orders from BP. 

    How much clearer could that Coast Guard officer been?  He was as much as telling her the Coast Guard was being held hostage.  How else could he get the message out?   

  • kafir

    Congratulations to Geert Wilder for making an impact into the Dutch politics.

    Stop the Islamization of America by Obama!

    http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2010/06/wilders-glorious-day-for-netherlands.html

  • Peggy Sue

    The lies, the obfuscation, the lack of an unified plan/command is a pattern we’ve been watching on all fronts.  Unemployment numbers have been skewed, the continuing decline of the overall economy has been masked with happy talk and bogus predictions, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have topped the 1 trillion dollar mark, yet we’re told next to nothing about what’s going on, a ridiculous healthcare deform package is jammed down the public’s throat and called “historic,” and now this–the worst environmental disaster in American history and the public is fed propaganda because the WH is more concerned about managing the message than getting the job done.

    This isn’t leadership. This is a huge screwup and incompetence beyond the pale.  There should be massive perp walks but, of course, that won’t happen because we no longer live in a country where the rule of law is taken seriously. Gangsters get to run Wall St and Main St continues to suffer.  BP gets poison the Gulf and Obama and his henchmen get to pretend they’re transparent, committed and fighting the good fight.

    It’s a disgusting pattern. And the country continues to drift to God knows where.    

  • TeakWoodKite

    OT; It just ain’t right that Google has a pic of Jacques Cousteau celerbrating his 100th birthday with a diver swiming in a pristence sea. Dudes rolling in watery grave.

    Sick.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    apples and oranges

  • kafir

    What happened to all the legislators we the People had elected? Why are they acquiescing on this national disaster?

  • kafir

    Now Obama would not hesitate to sour relationship with our long time Ally!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/06/10/cameron.us.bp.british.defense.ft/index.html?hpt=T2

  • Michelle from the Resistance
  • kafir

    While we are busy cleaning oil in the Gulf…. the  Jihad Muslims are operating in stealth land grabbing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ux4G7wMNc&feature=player_embedded#!

  • Michelle from the Resistance

    Obama sings the Kick Ass song

    Was the White House ‘playing politics’ ?

    I think the answer to that question would be: The White House was playing. Obama thought that the gulf hole he needs to plug is at the Andrews Air Force Base.

    Here he is, using the fastest vehicle known to men to get to that stubborn “gulf” hole.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Our POTUS was born to be wild!

  • lorac

    Oh, no, Doc – now it’s going to be all oily under the bus…..

  • lorac

    Not only did it explode, the whole huge platform sunk, along with the big pipe that led up to it, as I understand.  It would be hard to not think there would be leaks!

  • kafir

    It’s time for Nancy Pelosi- Obama cognac lic*er to retire for good. She is just a waste of tax-payers’ money!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcsJCylQRx0&feature=related

    Alas! This Nancy Polosi is the most corrupt Speaker in th US.

    http://seaspook.blogspot.com/2010/06/washingtons-10-most-corrupt-politicians.html

  • Guest

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/a_shrink_asks_whats_wrong_with.html

    …..Let’s return now to my original question: What is wrong with Obama? My guess is a great deal. The answer is complex and likely includes some combination of the above.

    Along with the brain issues are personality disorders: narcissism, paranoia, passive-aggressiveness. There’s even the possibility of the most destructive character defect of all, an antisocial personality. Untreated abuse can foster antisocial traits, especially among boys.

    If my assessment is accurate, what does this mean? 

    It means that liberals need to wake up and spit out the Kool-Aid…and that conservatives should put aside differences, band together, and elect as many Republicans as possible.

    Because Obama will not change. He will not learn from his mistakes. He will not grow and mature from on-the-job experience. In fact, over time, Obama will likely become a more ferocious version of who he is today. 

    Why? Because this is a damaged person. Obama’s fate was sealed years ago growing up in his strange and poisonous family. Later on, his empty vessel was filled with the hateful bile of men like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers. 

    Obama will not evolve; he will not rise to the occasion; he will not become the man he was meant to be. This is for one reason and one reason alone:

    He is not capable of it.

  • Docelder

    I just reread this. What I was thinking but somehow left out was… is this the first of the energy companies ‘nudged” out of energy and into green initiatives (cleanup) then “green” energy? In other words will BP bankrupt and it seems democrats are pushing for that to happen sooner than later and then will it be bailed out and owned by the government… like GM was and will the government then set the tone for what an energy company should be. BP is perfect for this as they don’t own drilling rigs to begin with. They are more like an investment bank than an energy company. Finally, will all energy companies have this to look forward to? Because if so, their stock would be worth zilch iif this is the case.

  • Mormaer

    “In fact, the National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan – the federal regulations that lay out the command-and-control responsibilities for cleaning up an oil spill – makes clear that an oil company like BP cannot be left in charge of such a serious disaster. The plan plainly states that the government must “direct all federal, state or private actions” to clean up a spill “where a discharge or threat of discharge poses a substantial threat to the public health or welfare of the United States.”  from the Rolling Stones article. This indicates that it is illegal for BP to order anyone to do anything and they are not to be trusted to do squat. Where was the President when this started. He was saying it was British Petroleum’s baby and not his when by law it was his. Are there any lawyers in the WH (I am still not sure that Obama really is an attorney but rather just plays one on TV) who can actually read or is the entire staff angry frat boys. The oil geyser had to be penciled in the president’s calender between vacations (can’t cancel and make Michelle mad), golf, and some fundraisers with washed up recording artists. I think we will see a very unhappy Obama have to cancel his trip to SA and the World Cup. Or not. This did not have to play out this way if he would have simply paid attention and got off his duff.

  • Docelder

    Yes, but is BP really in charge or have they already been taken over? I remember reading that Goldman Sachs dumped a lot of stock in BP right before the “accident” as did the BP CEO. Maybe they didn’t know the “accident” was imminent, but maybe they knew the government had targeted BP for takeover GM style. The “accident” was just convenient. And how do we know the size of thia really? All we see are the videos released by BP and we assume (no we were led to believe) that BP was trying to under report the size. But, what if the opposite is really the truth? What if it’s not all tha bad and the hype is to cover and justify the takeover of BP? An energy company that is really more of an investment banker than anythig else.

  • kafir

    This is the worst catastrophe in the history of the world and there is no signing of capping the deep sea leakage.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQq1RINZUnM&NR=1

  • kafir

    This is the worst catastrophe in the history of the world and there is no sign of capping the deep sea leakage.  :(
     

  • kafir

    This is the worst catastrophe in the history of the world and there is no signing of capping the deep sea leakage.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQq1RINZUnM&NR=1

  • kafir

    This is the worst catastrophe in the history of the world and there is no sign of successfully capping the deep sea leakage.  :’(
     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQq1RINZUnM&NR=1

  • glennmcgahee

    Has everybody noticed your gas prices dropping like a stone at the pump? In Florida, we have the cheaqpest gasoline we’ve seen in years. Just shows how they can manipulate the market when needed for PR. Just like they did before the 2008 elections so they wouldn’t be an issue.

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  • FLDemFem

    If BP had tried to actually STOP the leak instead of trying to get oil out of it, then this situation might not have become as bad as it is. BP was more interested in saving its bottom line than it was in saving the ocean from the spill. Their priorities were NOT stopping the flow, but capturing it. Those priorities are still in force.

  • kenoshamarge

    They are doing what they always do, face off and point fingers.

  • kenoshamarge

    Another good question might be what’s the matter with the pinheads that voted for him without knowing much/anything about him. Add to that, what the hell is the matter with those that still can’t see what a cracked pot they supported?

  • kenoshamarge

    I suspect the prices will be manipulated through Novermber if they can manage to do that. High gas prices through the heavy driving vacation season always pisses off the voters.

    The problem is that this mess has been allowed through greed, corruption and incompetence to get so far out of control that the manipulators may not be able to manifpulate much longer.

    The media might actually have to report the truth too. I know, I know, wishful thinking. Kind of a sad “hope”.

  • Mormaer

    The National Oil and Hazardous Substances Pollution Contingency Plan is on the EPA’s website. The EPA is lead agency. Where have they been? The WH saying over and over that this is BP’s baby when it is not per this plan because they can’t be trusted to clean up a mess they were too incompetent and criminally negligent to prevent. The EPA protects living thing like people and fauna and flora. They haven’t. Why wasn’t this plan put into place? The WH must explain why they did not follow the law and well established procedure. The press needs to go into this. Now the powers that be need to switch attention to BP going bankrupt because of all of this. Who cares? The WH did not follow this plan to begin with and the damage is done to the Gulf, the people of the Gulf, BP and its stockholder who will not have an orderly bankruptcy and it is all because the WH did not want to follow the law. 

    I also read that AIG is the insurer for BP. That means the taxpayer who owns this zombie will have to pay for the damage to the Gulf. This is burning down the house and then telling the homeowner that they will have to pay for their own damage because they own their bankrupt insurance company. Could this be why they are spinning on the amount of oil gushed? We have to pay for bailing out AIG X a zillion in the gulf.

  • PssttCmere

    I wish I could say I was surprised, but lying is what obama does best….how many chances are his followers going to give him?  Time to wake up and smell the coffee obamarrhoids!!

    “Say What You Will…..It Feels So Good”

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Larry….

    Both you and the Center for Public Integrity are off base here and like the MSM not getting the picture. But of course your a financial guy ( not my area of expertise) and the Center for Public Integrity is a special interest group that specializes in issues of personal, governmental and corporate values (that is the values they choose to review). I am not getting this. Obama (no fan of mine) has said nothing less of this event as to its complexities and dangers. What part of this are you all not getting? The throwing around of guesstimates by scientiists and engineers regarding outflow numbers is busllshit. Reality? It don’t matter 19,000bbls or 70,000bbls per day. ITS A DISASTER! BFD!

    I love the word smiths here and the Mr. Obvious statements like …..potential larger than the Exxon Valdez…… They are kidding? This is a NO SHIT SHERLOCK! While the Exxon Valdez did not even rate the top ten oil spills in the World.

    This event just might do them all though.

    So besides bullshit talk to talk and yakkity yak dumb shit. I have yet to hear from anyone even those here at NO who want the spill federalized what “SPECIFICALLY AND EXACTLY” “HOW AND WITH WHAT” the WH and USG  should have responded or what they specifically should be doing?  Please spare me the use of nuclear weapons. Only a moron like the Russians would do somehting that stupid. Especially on US Soil.

    Just tell me facts! I would love to hear them! Facts… facts and fatcs not bullshit…

    Everyone here at NO knows how critical I have been of the containment and clean-up tactics. Not the speed and amounts of manpower and equipment thrown at this event. This has not ever been an issue with me. Besides I know what is really going on and what is bullshit. I know how difficult containmetn really is under excellent sea states and conditions and that by experience. I have my problems with the situation as I have said time and time again.

    To be totally honest. I do not know what else the USG could have thrown at this event to make everyone a happy Gulfshores beach camper?

    This criticism from the MSM who understand shit about blowouts and spill response (as with most topics) is for the birds. The Political criticism? Well hell that sells and that is all that the MSM cares about.

    My problem with this spill is very simple. There is not enough OPERATIONAL OVERSIGHT to ensure that the plethora of manpower and equipment is being used properly. To top that the States effected and their own agencies are flat footed with this event and if it was not for mother nature this event would be horrendous. Not saying is anywhere near a good thing.

    Here is the real danger as I see it.  If this well is not capped. The continued payouts can cause BP to go belly up and we the taxpayers get stuck not just with the the clean-up but the …..bill…..

    So Larry Doyle here is my question to you as a financial expert. How close are we to having BP go into bankruptcy?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    “This is the worst catastrophe in the history of the world”

    You want to tell this to the Mayor of Hiroshima?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    NLBIB….The first part of your usual statement “The Federal Government is not doing what it is mandated by law to do, and there is no Unified Command”? YOUR FULL OF SHIT!

    The new add on” “nor any resemblence of command and control.” I AGREE WITH!

    But your still a moron…

  • Cindy

    LOL Onofre—–He was born to be wild; while apparently we, on the other hand, were born to be guiled!!!
    He’s unbelievable!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    One last thing NLBIB….

    You continue to dance the federalization… Ok..then tell me the specifics? Do what, when, with and how? Facts just facts… Lets see is we can come to some form of agreement.  I await breathlessly…

  • Cindy

    Michelle from Resist: You’re a riot!

  • snosandy

    How could BP be taken over by our government since it is a British company?

  • Cindy

    Psstmere—LOL

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    FlDemFem….

    Gosh yeah BP does not want to stop its financial bleeding so they are letting the well stay out of control!  Whats next?  This is the way the Brits are getting back at us for their defeat at Charlestown….. Wait I got one better. BP and the USG don’t want to stop the oil from flowing because its covering up a secret UFO base….

  • helenk

    http://www.truth-out.org/former-bush-official-josh-bolten-advising-bp-on-how-to-defend-its-interests-and-restore-its-reputati

    Look at the money spent on bs instead of the spill. How many volunteers and workers just waiting for instructions that are not coming to help the cleanup.
    this makes me sick

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Why do hydrocarbons hate black people?

  • oowawa

    Yes, Docelder, that’s about it.

    That the government did not insist that independent scientists be allowed to measure the exact rate of flow of the leak immediately at the outset was IMHO the most unforgiveable bit of negligence.  If we don’t know exactly what we’re dealing with, how can we deal with it?  Relying on BP for the facts  is like relying on a murderer to collect the incriminatory evidence  against himself.

    But Thee One stuck his head in the sand.  He figured if he acknowledged the magnitude and severity of the leak, he would in some way “own” the responsibility for it and would somehow have to pay for it.  Of course, that did not stop Captain Kickass, President “Day One,” from later manfully claiming that “the buck stops with me” and that he takes full responsibility (but not the blame!).  Jindal has gone to war over this incident.  That’s the way you do it, Captain Kickass!

  • oowawa

    “obamarrhoids”–LOL!

    What’s in a name?  “Barack Hussein Obama” has been the underground reservoir for a seemingly endless flow, nay, gusher, of creative sarcasm.

  • carol haka

    OT

    Susan Rice has pushed for the US to join in the bashing of Israel for the “flotilla” incident.

    See how many “bigoted” remarks you can find by the Administration.  I will started you off with the “kosher panel” comment from the WH.

    When Obama is impeached, I hope he dies a terribly painful death for the destruction he has caused in such a short period of time.  He is truly evil.

    http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/sources-obama-administration-support-anti-israel-resolution-un-next-week

    >:o

  • oowawa

    Taking a camera into an oiled zone will soon be a felony.  If you’re caught taking a picture of an oiled bird, you may soon be sleeping with the fishes (who are already asleep).

  • arabella trefoil

    Good news – The young sailor has been located and is doing well:


    A 16-year-old girl trying to sail solo around the world who was missing in treacherous seas in the Indian Ocean has been found by an Australian search plane and is in good condition, her parents said on Friday. ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/12/us/12sailor.html?hp

    And I hope she stayed away from the oil spill during the course of her journey.

  • MrMike

    All I know is that after 911 George Bush never had any emergency response plan worked out for a natural or man made disaster. The poor response to Katrina proved that.

    I thought Obama campaigned on changing the way goverment didn’t work for us and one of the prioities would be putting a mechanism in place that could cut through the normal red tape and speed relief to where it would be needed.

    Like Bush and Cheney obsessing on how to loot Iraq oil to the exclusion of the looming threats of terrorism, the Obama White House was concentrating on HCR.

    Also since heads are/will roll at MMS when does the same thing happen to the legislators that sat on committees overseeing resource extraction and safety?

  • MrMike

    Sorry about the mutiple posts, I don’t know what happened.

  • Armymom

    What oil was that MrMike that we looted? I’m curious because it doesn’t seem we got any of that oil. Which is it? I’ve heard democrats complain because we didn’t pay for this war “because we couldn’t get enough oil out” and our “democrats” contracted Iraqi oil to other countries. Then I hear that we raped them of their oil, which should have meant it paid for the war. I just want to know which is it?

  • MrMike

    I said “obsessed on how to loot” not that they were suscessful. I don’t have an exact quote but didn’t some one say the war would pay for itself as one of the selling points?

  • arabella trefoil

    Oh no. Do not even go there. I’m sure Obama’s writers have been tying themselves into knots trying to turn the oil spill into a r*cist issue.

    “Don’t tell me about the suffering of the birds. That’s nothing compared to what my ancestors suffered during the middle passage …”  Uh, no. Can’t use that. Obama is not descended from slaves.

    “The media has conveniently forgotten how my ancestors toiled away in the hot sun picking cotton and drilling oil out of the ground …”  Shit, wrong on two counts. Obama is not descended from slaves, and slaves didn’t drill oil wells.

    “We are not a color blind society, inspite of my historical election as the first black president. I didn’t cause this spill, black folks didn’t cause this spill. There weren’t any black people around during the Carboniferous period. It was the green chloroplasts that started this spill.”  OK, well it’s a start. It doesn’t really flow, but we got color in there somehow.  Can we throw something in there about chloroplasts clinging to guns and religion?

  • candymarl

    Maybe because just the other day the homies said “let’s go kick some hydrocarbon ass”.

    So we did. They won’t be coming back to the ‘hood anytime soon.

  • Armymom

    Exactly, they did say that it would pay for itself. Then we had our fine congress critters parlay that oil into foreign contracts without nary a drop for the US coiffers. But we still have people screaming that we “robbed them of their oil”. My son spent 3 tours in Iraq and from the things he told me, I grew to believe it was never about the oil, not by a longshot by the way our military conducted theirselves and his stories. Like he asked me once, “couldn’t I just believe, that just maybe, we were actually liberating these people”. Now some may think that is naive, I wonder now that I’ve seen how my previous party of over 35 years have “tweaked” or manipulated situations to benefit their agenda. An agenda that I know longer believe in.

  • Armymom

    That should be “no longer believe”

  • Armymom

    Too late, they already did the “racist” people don’t want to see an “angry black man” routine when people were laughing about Obama’s “kick some ass” part. It seems that they’ve been doing “studies” in regards to Obama’s campaign staff and they found that even when he was a wittle senator, that he couldn’t show “emotion” because the studies showed that white people don’t want to see an “angry black man”. You can’t make this shit up, it writes itself.

  • arabella trefoil

    Captain Jack Sparrow,

    Are you really this guy?

  • oowawa

    Her parents should go to jail.

  • skeeter

    Time for the annointed ass-kicker to go into his apologetic mode, (not to be confused with the apologetic defense but the ass kissing kind), and tell the world how rotten and how terrible America is because she has polluted one of the world’s oceans with non-arabian non-muslim oil. As he stated in his holy book “dreams” “white folks greed runs a world in need” but now obama runs the world’s topmost capitalist nation so that excerpt from Dreams needs to be revised, at least the color in it and that Gulf gusher ain’t blowing white oil. But what the hell? he wanted a diversion from all his other screw ups and now he has one, one of his biggest screw ups yet. Big as the Gulf of Mexico AND BEYOND PETROLEUM!  VOTE OILBAMA!!!!

  • FrenchNail

    No, I rather think BP and GS and all the others of that clique are privy to all the infos on Iran/Hamas and al. They knew then that the Middle-East is about to go jihad against Israel, with the blessing of the Chinese and the Russian (each for their own reasons) and that O had signaled that the US would not pro-actively defend.

    They therefore knew that their stocks were about to take a nose-dive during the Summer as some of their stations and lines of supply were being cut off being situated in war zone.

    They bailed out before.

  • arabella trefoil

    He could show emotions other than anger. If he had any emotions, which he doesn’t.

    People want to see strength. It’s possible to be passionate, not angry. Obama just plain doesn’t care about anything.

    In the end, Mother Nature will always get you. 100% of the time. How ironic that a man who hates women, who needs to control everything, who’s used to just coasting along, has been defeated by the force of nature? You can’t ignore nature. You can’t pay it off. You can’t deal with Mother Nature “in the Chicago way.”

    Does Obama think that he is so omnipotent that he can overturn the laws of physics?

    You can work with nature, you can find ways to solve problems, but you can’t ignore nature. You can’t bully nature. Obama has come up against the one adversary that will not yield to his usual methods.  Obama’s psychopathology is such that he will continue to ignore the problem.

    Impeach him.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    He is Anti America and Pro America Haters, Anti US Allies, Pro Islamic Extremist Nations. If it hurts the US and it’s Allies, He’s all for it.

    Now who whould have thought that based on his history and campaigning? It’s like the man changed into his evil twin after getting elected. Not.

    He is his own evil twin. And its obvious he loves the role.

  • arabella trefoil

    Sociopaths can be charming. Remember Ted Bundy?

  • kenoshamarge

    If Oblahblah met a Homie from the Hood out to kick some ass, he’d wet himself.

  • kenoshamarge

    The big “O” is gonna really have to give a corkscrew of a speech if he wants to blame this country without being blamed himself. Oh wait, he’ll just blame GeeDubya. Problem solved.

    Except for warming up Air Farce One and starting off on  a world ass-kissing tour. Would that be the third or the forth?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown
  • Jackie

    Doug Brinkley: Administration is Going to Come Out With a Large Gulf Recovery Act

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/doug-brinkley-administration-going-come-ou

    COOPER: Doug, what do you make of — of the way the Obama White House is — and federal response by the Coast Guard is — is going?

    BRINKLEY: Well, I mean, there are three things, I mean, I think, big baskets, going on.

    One is close that well, get the — capture as much oil as you can, keep the pressure on BP on the relief wells. Second is immediate cleanup. And I think more can be done by the Obama administration. And I — and but I think the big third piece is coming, when President Obama comes to Florida and Alabama and Mississippi, and that is holding BP responsible for the Natural Resource Damage Act, for the Oil Spill Response Act. And, by that, I mean BP is going to end up paying somewhere from $10 billion to $15 billion, maybe even $20 billion, because they’re going — one of the only ways to save the Louisiana wetlands is going to be — you know, the Mississippi River has been channelized for navigation.

    Well, now the Mississippi River has to be redirected. It’s going to have to be flooded and sediment pumped into these marshlands to save it. I think the Obama administration…

    (CROSSTALK)

    COOPER: So, no, wait. No, wait. Doug, is this just a hope on your part?
    BRINKLEY: No.

    COOPER: Or — I mean, I know you have been talking to sources. Do you believe this is actually going to happen?

    BRINKLEY: Yes. Yes.
    And it’s one of the reasons why the president is not talking to Tony Hayward. And they are going to come out with a large Gulf recovery act, because the oil and gas industry has been dredging. We have disappearing barrier islands. For 40 years down there, it’s abused the wetlands.

    This is a turning point. There is an appetite on Capitol Hill for Gulf recovery act. The Mississippi River is going to have to be redirected into the marshlands. And BP and Transocean and other, you know, operations, Cameron, other companies are going to have to pay up to $10 billion and $15 billion for breaking national acts.

  • skeeter

    Just another thought. How many here or around the world for that matter know what the source of more than half the earth’s oxygen comes from? More than fifty percent –50%– of the world’s oxygen is from the oceans and phytoplankton. That stuff doesn’t grow much less thrive in live oil or even diluted crude oil. We can hardly afford to lose an ocean. This could be one of the world’s greatest disasters. Meanwhile, Obama is in gangsta mode looking for an ass he can kick. Whoopee-dee-doo boys and girls our cool prez wants to kick some ass while the Gulf of Mexico dies.

  • NQnews1

    I do not believe that Our Government know about this problem before BP inform them. No impeachment for BP or Obama, but closing BP permanently and take over all not USA Oil Co. Strict rules to all Oil  CO. and tough penalties!!

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Goldman Sachs pegged the recovery cost at $180 billion. If Obama thinnks taxpayers will have the appitite to pick up the tab while Obama tries to let BP sneak out through the restroom window, he does not understand the meaning of “angrey voter”.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Goldman Sachs pegged the recovery cost at $180 billion. If Obama thinks taxpayers will have the appitite to pick up that tab while Obama helps BP sneak out through the restroom window, he does not understand the meaning of “angry voter”.

  • arabella trefoil

    Please be sure to clicl on the link Jackie posted. She did some cherry-picking in her post. The comments bring up excellent points, including the possibility of BP declaring bankruptcy and not being able to pay for anything, and the inherent dangers of re-routing rivers and trying to save wet lands without knowing what you are doing. Plus, do we have the technology to do this.

    Here is the blog owners intro to Jackie cherry pie:

    +++++++++++++++++

    Well this is one of the more encouraging things I’ve heard in a while about what’s going to be done about this disaster in the Gulf. When I hear they’re doing more to contain and capture the oil that’s already out there I’ll believe the administration is finally handling this in a manner that’s actually going to do some good.
    Douglas Brinkley talked to Anderson Cooper about what the Obama administration is going to do to attempt to restore the Gulf coast after years and years of neglect. Even “Be the daddy” James Carville sounded impressed. I’m holding my applause until after I see some action and not talk because it’s already absolutely inexcusable that they’ve allowed all the dispersants to be poured into the water and not done more to contain and collect the oil so far while these BP executives are allowed to go on the air and continue denying that the huge oil plumes in the Gulf even exist.
    Holding BP accountable later (which I’ll believe when I see it) doesn’t mean much to the people whose lives have been devastated and the dead animals in the Gulf where the environment has already been destroyed.

    +++++++

    Sorry, don’t know the blog author’s name.

    Jackie can make a cherry pie in the twinkle of an eye
    She’s a young thing and cannot leave her mother.

  • NQnews1

    well, those pinheads have not much of choice, because someone as McCain with Palin were running against. Republicans have wrong people running for Presidency and that is not pinheads fault. Pure pinheads, because they choose Obama rookie against Hillary. Hillary will not be SOS again , I believe that She do not like what Obama is doing and She has enough of this crap.That is pinheads fault and mine to. I am a pinhead . 

  • oowawa

    Exactly.  Van der Sloot is another one.  But ultimately, there is no “there” there.

  • arabella trefoil

    NQnews1,

    What do you do for a living?

  • Cindy

    helenk—-Sing it, sister!

  • Cindy

    Guest–Excellent comment!

  • TeakWoodKite

    Where is your boat, Captian Jack?

  • Cindy

    NQnews1, 
     
    What do you do for a living? Whatever it is, I’m sure it involves being horizontal.

  • Cindy

    NQnews1,  
      
    What do you do for a living?


    Whatever it is, I’m sure it involves being horizontal.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    A booming economy is not going to save Obama from his missteps in foriegn policy, border security, and failure to act in the Gulf.

    Obamas response to the Gulf Crisis with a new and sweeping ”Gulf Recovery Act” should have started the day that Deep Water Horizon went Deep Six. And Obama did not and still does not need a new Act. The 1990 Oil Polution Act gives the President and Federal Agencies the full authority to do whatever it takes to make the recovery happen.

    Obamna already has the approval of Congress and the full authority of law.

    He doesn’t even need to blame congress for failing to act. They already did in 1990. But, that may be part of his plan. Obama want to be able to tell the US, “I wanted to get it done but the Republican Congress won’t pass my act”.

    Dubya Bush had very positive ratings prior to the Iraq War. In the months after the onset of the Iraq war Bush had ratings similar to Obamas present ratings.

    As the war dragged on and it became clear that Dubyah and his administration did not have the foresight and control over the events that they claimed they had, Dubyas approval tanked to 29%

    Dubyas numbers tanked, and this was during a booming economy fueled by cheap money and hyperinflated real estate.

    As the Gulf crisis gets worse, and it becomes clear that Obama was happy to let it get worse while he shot hoops and partied with rock stars, his numbers will tank even if the economy booms.

    As it becomes more clear that Obama and his team were out to lunch and full of crap about the response to the well blow out and the spill turns into an unprecidented quagmire, Obamas numbers will tank just as they did for Dubya as it became known that Dubyas admin was full of BS about the lead up and response in Iraq and Iraq became a quagmire.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19 

  • No Longer an American

    He’s a troll in his mama’s basement

  • Cindy

    oowawa—I’m with you!
    Yesterday I told hubby that I thought her parents were guilty of child abuse, and today I read that a sportswriter said the same thing.
    If she makes it, it will be in spite of her parents!

  • Jackie

    Please be sure to clicl on the link Jackie posted. She did some cherry-picking in her post.  The comments bring up excellent points…”
     
     
    Yes, this is why I POSTED THE LINK.  So that everyone could read the whole thing FOR THEMSELVES.  The only way I would have been “cherry-picking” is if I had not offered a link source at all, and just posted my favorite passages to mislead people.  Or should I have clogged up the NQ board with the full article, plus the entire f*cking comments section?  Yeah, I’m sure that would have been a really popular move.

    But go on with your poo-pooing.  Like I said yesterday, any good news in the rest of the world is bad news at NQ.

  • kenoshamarge

    In his bathtub with his rubber ducky?

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  • Breeze

    -

    Obama Sinks to a New Low … in the Polls
     
    Commentary Magazine,
    by Peter Wehner   

    Original Article

    6/11/2010

    President Obama’s Gallup approval/disapproval rating is now 44 percent/48 percent, a new low. As a reference point, Obama’s three-day average was 52 percent when Chris Christie beat Jon Corzine in New Jersey and Bob McDonnell destroyed Creigh Deeds in Virginia. And Obama’s approval/disapproval rating on January 20, 2010 — when Republican Scott Brown shocked the political world by winning the Senate seat held by Ted Kennedy — Obama’s three-day average (January 19-21) was 49 percent/45 percent (it was 47/47 on January 20). This matters because presidential approval ratings are an important, if not always a decisive, factor in political races —

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Sparrow, just because you claim to represent a full of shit organization, and you wear the hat that says you are Commander of the full of shit organization it does not mean that you are actually full of shit.

    But when you keep steppin in and wading through neck deep in your full of shit posts, answers and responses, then yes you are most definately full of shit.

    Just because your “Incident Commander” Wears a silly hat that says “Incident Commander” it does not mean he is actually in command of anything useful.

    Just because the man int eh “Incident Commander” hat claimes to be commanding a “Unified Command” it does not mean he actually commands anything resembling a “unified command”

    And by the way, a “Unified Command” is by definition a FEDERALIZED RESPONSE.

    So please save your bullshit that the response does not need to be federalized.

    Federal Agencies are required by law to manage the entire response, the responsible party is not supposed to be managing the response.

    The state governments, the local governments and private contractors are all saying that BP is still managing the response, and the “Unified Command” is doing nothing but monitoring.

    Your hat says you are the Full of Shit Commander, but it is the waiding up to your neck in your own shit that makes it so.

  • oowawa
  • Breeze

    -

    Adm. Allen in hot seat over spill

    Associated Press,
    by Ben Evans   

    Original Article


    6/11/2010

    WASHINGTON – The oil spoiling the teeming marshes and white-sand beaches of the Gulf Coast is also threatening the pristine image of the burly, take-charge leader who has become the federal government’s go-to guy in a disaster. Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, one of the few federal officials whose reputation survived Hurricane Katrina intact, is facing growing criticism that he and his agency are overwhelmed by the catastrophe. It’s unfamiliar territory for a former Coast Guard Academy football captain who has managed responses to crises that include the earthquake in Haiti, Katrina and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

  • oowawa

    BP is the 4th largest company in the world.  (Behind Royal Dutch Shell, Exxon Mobil, and Wal-Mart).

    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “I do not believe that Our Government know about this problem before BP inform them.”

    That is true. And BP informed the Federal Government the day the blowout and fire occured.

    So the government knew from day one. The problem is they did not act from day one as they are required to by law. And, the government has still not acted.

  • bayareavoter

    But it’s okay for Obama to order drone attacks in Afghanistan that kill civilians as well as some bad guys–where’s the outrage from the same Israel-bashers about the blood on our hands?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The only thing banruptcy will do for BP is make the stock shares worth ZERO.

    Even if BP files for bankruptcy, the bankruptcy juge will require BP to be responsible for the entire cost of the disaster with all of BP’s current and future assets and profit.

    What that means is BP will be in business solely to pay the cost to remediate the ecological and economic damage they casused in the Gulf.

    There will not be a “Gulf Recovery Act”. The 1990 Oil Pollution Act already has all the powers necessary for the federal government to remediate the damage, pay restitution, and repair the economy and take the money from BP’s cash register.

    Obama and his administration need to read the act and follow the law.

    Taxpayers are not supposed to pay a dime.

  • helenk

    http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/11/allen-uh-no-one-told-me-about-maine-boom-company/

    I do not know whether this is the gang that couldn’t shoot straight or just
    Dumb and Dumber and Dumbest.

    Will someone tell these idiots ‘Information is a wonderful thing, pass it on”

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Peggy Sue

    Same old, same old, Beantown.  People voted for change and what they got was Dubya’s 3rd term with a Carteresque twist. 

    Jackie mentioned the Environmental Recovery Act that Doug Brinkley described on Anderson Cooper’s show.  I watched that clip, too.  But to believe that Obama and his crew could pull off an FDR-size recovery program in light of the evidence we now have of gross incompetence and dithering is taking a leap of faith over a yawning cavern, and then expecting to sprout wings.

    I don’t believe anything these Obamacrats say anymore.  Talk is cheap.  President Obama and his dwindling army of true believers have proven that, again and again and again.

    Just words.  Fool me once but never again. Hope is a thing with feathers, according to Emily Dickinson. But once drenched in muck, flying time is over.

  • TeakWoodKite

    oowawa, why should they do time? The kid has “true grit”, and that is an offense?

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    NQnews1 – Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery and I congratulate you for that.

    You somehow still want to blame McCain/Palin, but the next steps will help you recover from that urge too.

    Come on everybody, show some support for the pinhead NQnews1 for making the first and most difficult step towards recovery from the koolaid.

  • kafir

    Ha ha ha ha!

  • Breeze

    -
    ….”the gang that couldn’t shoot straight ….”

    Funny you should say that, helenk. 

    That’s how I’ve been referring to them in my mind for a long, long time…

  • Annie/Carmel

    The gang that couldn’ shoot straight in action…sure fits…The only actor missing is Baby Doc…guess he was on vacation.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM

  • FLDemFem

    Jack,
    Their goal from day one was to cap the well and capture oil, they are sucking up oil from the leak as we type. If the Federal government, headed by your pal Obama, had taken charge as mandated by LAW, the emphasis would have been on sealing the hole, allowing other companies, such as the Dutch, to come in with better technology, and oh yeah, letting the American people know exactly what is going on. I read in one of the articles linked on this site that Obama had “called on the Federal government”. Well, someone should tell that little fool that it’s HIS JOB to take charge and order the government resources into action. It is also mandated by LAW that he do so. It’s not his job to fly around, at our expense, to parties, golf, long weekends, more parties and photo ops. He is the EXECUTIVE of the United States, it’s his JOB to direct the government, not “call on it” to fix the mess. Of course, he got a huge contribution from BP for his campaign fund, so I am sure that colored his judgement. We pay him to be an executive, not a party animal. Perhaps you could pass the word on to him? And while you are at it, explain what an executive does, he obviously hasn’t a clue!!

  • Annie/Carmel

    The gang that couldn’ shoot straight in action…sure fits…”BP Spills Coffee”  LOL.

    The only actor missing is Baby Doc…guess he was on vacation. 
     

  • Onofre’s arm

    FLDemFem, I’ve heard this line of reasoning multiple times now, and it just doesn’t make any sense, just crunch the numbers.

    The current price of light crude is $74 per bbl. 
    The cost of cleaning up a barrel of oil may end up being in the range of 100 to 1000 times the price of that oil.
    Do you think for one second that BP is more concerned about recovering the oil so they can sell it for $74, or do you think that BP is trying desperately to recover the oil or stop it’s flow knowing it may cost them $7,400 at a minimum to clean up that barrel of oil?

    Except for the leak, the oil in the reservoir isn’t going anywhere. BP could come back at a later date to recover this oil, or the relief wells may serve this purpose. This particular reservoir has 10 million barrels from what I’ve heard. At current prices, that oil would be worth $740,000,000, or less than a billion dollars. BP’s liability for this spill and the clean up and compensation for it will dwarf this amount, so it’s unlikely that the people at BP are losing sleep from obsessing over the lost revenue they may have received from the sale of the oil. They are frantically doing everything they possibly can to prevent as much oil as possible from entering Gulf waters. 

    Now, if oil were as valuable as gold………..

  • kafir

    Obama is an innate liar who is just cannot be trusted. This world is at risk!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2xaK1KmHFU

  • FLDemFem

    He would hide behind Michelle..hehehe Even the toughest thug from the ‘hood would think twice about taking her on.

  • FLDemFem

    Child endangerment is illegal, and has jail time attached. The parents not only allowed her to embark on a highly dangerous trip, they enabled her doing so. In my opinion, it was irresponsible in the extreme for the parents to allow this girl out on the ocean, alone, in waters that are known to have, among other things, pirates.

  • Breeze
  • kafir

    Would the American People elect Obama had Obama telling the American People he is a Muslims and would propagate Islam if elected?

    Obama is a liar. Impeach this sob!

  • honestlawyermostly

    carol and NLBiB– To follow on what you are saying, I have not yet joined but I am toying with an application to join the Black Helicopter Brigade.  Specifically, is Obama something other than just an unknown guy who got elected President.  Putting aside his incompetence– which is a large order– it seems that there is something more deliberate in his conduct, at least toward Israel.
     It is obvious that Obama is intentionally allowing Israel to be backed into a corner, and he is doing some of the pushing himself.  As Carol noted, the most recent example is Susan Rice saying that the US will support a UN investigation of Israel’s handling of the Gaza blockade.  It is a foregone conclusion how that investigation will turn out.  As these pressures continue to mount, an idiot can see that a cornered Israel is a dangerous Israel, leaving war as its only option.  I refuse to believe that Obama is an idiot.  It is more logical to believe that Obama shares the sentiments expressed by Helen Thomas.  The only way that ”Jews will go back home” so that the mideast will once again be in the hands of the Arabs is if Israel is destroyed.  Since Israel never will dissolve itself voluntarily, it will happen only with war, which, with every mideast nation lined up against it, and little or no help from the US, Israel probably will lose.  Obama’s anti-Israeli sentiments were not developed overnight.  These must be sentiments he had before he was elected, and that those around him knew he had before the election.  For the first time in our lifetime, with Obama as President, the Arab/ Muslim goal of the destruction of Israel is a real possibililty. Obama’s handling of Iran tracks this pro-Arab, anti-Israeli sentiment.  Obama has eschewed any direct, forceful challenge to Iran’s development of nuclear weapons, including negotiating a treaty that allows for the sale of soviet missles to Iran.  Obama also is working today in Congress to soften US sanctions against Iran that have been proposed.  What possible advantage is there is in allowing Iran to build its own bomb other than further guaranteeing the day when an Israeli war will erupt in the mideast? I know that Obama, at heart, is a self-centered wimp and I know that he is incompetent.  But, the course he is pursuing deliberately in the mideast leads me to believe that there is more to it than that.  I don’t think (yet) that he is some kind of Manchurian candidate, but his conduct is really hard to explain. Must go now.  I think I hear the helicopters coming.  

  • kafir

    Does Obama take pork like the average American or fulfill Muslim Prophecy?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv-Wwv7ZrwE&NR=1

  • kafir
  • Annie/Carmel

    Wasn’t she competing with her broher who did the same thing?  

  • FLDemFem

    They are frantically doing everything they possibly can to prevent as much oil as possible from entering Gulf waters.   If that were true, they would have asked for help from people, such as the Dutch and others, who have the technology to stop the leak. So far, they haven’t done anything but suck up oil from the leak. Whether or not it’s economically viable to get the oil, they need to actually STOP THE FLOW, and they haven’t done anything more than disperse and suck up oil. From the beginning, according to one of the articles linked on NQ, they had a line down to the leak sucking up oil. Didn’t make much of a difference, but that isn’t the point. They seem more interested in getting the oil than in stopping the flow. And they have turned their backs on people with the means to clean the oil out of the water. So yeah, I think they are more interested in saving their bottom line, such as it is, than in stopping the oil. And the news blackout, at their orders, doesn’t make me think they are being honest and aboveboard with any of it. Remember, it was the BP exec who overrode the safety protocols, over the objection of the Transocean engineer, because BP was wanting the oil to flow. Well, now it is flowing, with a vengeance. I don’t credit BP with any motives other than saving their own butts.

                                                                                                                                                                          

  • Onofre’s arm

    Along these lines HLM, it would serve the Obama game plan to hype up the flotilla incident, thereby adding another layer of negative PR to the wall of global resentment that helps to keep Israel contained in it’s own half acre. Up until this flotilla thing, there was a “matter of fact” attitude to the possibility that Israel would “first strike” Iran rather than let them develop a working nuke. In fact, like many people, I was rather hoping that Israel WOULD be the muscle that Obama is incapable of flexing, and take out Iran’s nuclear bomb capacity, and THEN deal with the usual Israel bashing that they’re so familiar with. I believe that the Obama administration is trying to cultivate an Israel that is too timid for such a bold move as an Iran attack, not only because Obama doesn’t have a clue what the repercussions would be of that attack, but also because I believe that Obama is either a congenital Muslim lover, or a Muslim himself.

  • Cindy

    Annie—great video! And don’t forget how much Obama loves and rewards Halliburton, while feigning disgust with them:

    May 6 (Bloomberg) — KBR Inc. was selected for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011 for military support services in Iraq, the Army said.
    The Army announced its decision yesterday only hours after the Justice Department said it will pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of taking kickbacks from two subcontractors on Iraq-related work. The Army also awarded the work to KBR over objections from members of Congress, who have pushed the Pentagon to seek bids for further logistics contracts.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “They seem more interested in getting the oil than in stopping the flow.”

    This is patently stupid for the reasons I gave above!

  • candymarl

    Thank you. Unified Command means American military.  That means under the direction of the Commander in Chief which is Obama’s title.

    Going by your logic he owes nothing to the fighting or dead GIs in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    As a vet you can kiss my ass. Is that rude enough for you?

  • Onofre’s arm

    “ I don’t credit BP with any motives other than saving their own butts.”

    Well DUH!! I don’t either. It’s only natural for BP to concentrate on saving it’s ass, and the best way for them to save their own ass, is to capture as much oil as possible until they can cap the well, or activate the relief wells. Do you really think that they give a rat’s as about the market value of the oil that they’re losing? 

    I’m really hoping BP DOES save it’s own butt, because there would be countless butts, priceless environments, and billions of dollars saved along with it.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “ I don’t credit BP with any motives other than saving their own butts.”  
     
    Well DUH!! I don’t either. It’s only natural for BP to concentrate on saving it’s ass, and the best way for them to save their own ass, is to capture as much oil as possible until they can cap the well, or activate the relief wells. Do you really think that they give a rat’s ass about the relatively minute market value of the oil that they’re losing?   
     
    I’m really hoping BP DOES save it’s own butt, because there would be countless butts, priceless environments, and billions of dollars saved along with it.

  • oowawa

    OK honey–you go out and play in the middle of the ocean in winter, and watch out for the pirates!

  • TeakWoodKite

    I am not sure of the teenagers time and experience on the open seas, but letting a teen drive is even more dangerous.

    I get that the parents are responsible for her welfare. Still, you have to admit the kid does have true grit.

    Call me Ishmael. Some years ago – never mind how long precisely – having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Was that at 3:00am? Just askin.

  • Cindy

    And lights out at 10, or NO tv for you!

  • BuzzLatte

    A troll that doesn’t have full command of the English language…

  • oowawa

    Teak–I’ll admit the little girl has nerve–but that doesn’t make the parents any less irresponsible.  I disagree that driving is more dangerous than sailing by yourself around the world in a little boat–especially when you’re going through a stormy ocean in winter.

    And Fishmeal wasn’t 16 when he sailed aboard the Pequod, nor was he all by himself . . .

  • Onofre’s arm

    Yeah kafir, I’m sure that that’s all George cares about.

  • Breeze

    -

    The gulf between Hollywood
    hypocrites and the oil spill

    New York Daily News,
    by Andrea Tantaros

    Original Article

    6/11/2010 

    In case anyone is questioning it, celebrities are terribly concerned about the Gulf of Mexico. Actor Sean Penn has said he “cares about New Orleans.” Actor Brad Pitt has spent days in the region assisting with relief efforts. And Jamie Foxx has raised more than half a million dollars to help those living in the area put their lives back together. Oh, wait: That was in 2005, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina – when George W. Bush was President. Back then we saw A-listers come out in droves to shout about the man in charge,

  • TeakWoodKite

    Besides I know what is really going on and what is bullshit.”

    Perhaps, Jack Sparrow. They are one in the same. Not two disctint objects.

    Filing anykind of Chapter XX is the last thing that will happen. Not untill all assests are wisked of the books, wiull that happen. Those real assets of BP’s will find a willing buyer. The key is how BP will offload the liabilty side of it’s diminished balance sheet.

    Onofre’s Arm’s comment  up thread is spot on. Still, I believe the economic and enviornmental cost will be felt and paid for, for a century or more and the American taxpayer is bending over for this on as we witness the events unfold.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Point well taken oowawa.
     I am struck by the “audacity” of the parents and by what rational thought process the parents arrived at giving consent for such an adventure, which apparently was not the first time.

    No man or woman is an island until the sea surrounds them.

    I am admittedly biased, having a dream to get my doctorate in Ethno-musicology by sailing around the worlds coastlines and studying how musical instruments crossed the oceans…. :)  

  • Wisewoman

    “That the government did not insist that independent scientists be allowed to measure the exact rate of flow of the leak immediately at the outset was IMHO the most unforgiveable bit of negligence.  If we don’t know exactly what we’re dealing with, how can we deal with it? ” 

     I am always amazed that no one seems to grasp one known entity and that is that BP knew exactly how much oil they were getting from the well before it blew.  There was no urgent need to measure “flow rates’.  That was and still is a diversion issue.  The rate that the well was producing (lower estimate) plus some adjustment as to whether the oil would come out of a blown well faster than an operating well (high end estimate) would have been sufficient.  Have you all noticed that no one blogs, media, citizens, etc) have asked how much oil the well was producing before it blew even after day 52?  INCREDIBLE!

  • oowawa

    Sounds like a great plan.  But remember teakwood does not float.

  • oowawa

    Great plan!  However, I have read that teakwood does not float:

    “Teak is very dense and cannot float when first cut down. Thus loggers have to girdle the tree and let it dry for up to three years before they can float it to the mill.”

  • Onofre’s arm

    First of all kafir, the history of the “world” is 4.5 billion years long. Countless incidents that might be considered catastrophic from a human perspective have occurred during this timeline, and most of them would make this oil spill look like a burning leaf in a forest fire.

    In relatively recent years, as the continental glaciers receded, there was a finger of one of these glaciers that acted as a temporary dam that created a lake in Montana that held 100 cubic miles of water. When that dam broke, all 100 cubic miles emptied out of that lake in less than several days, producing a flow that was greater than all of the worlds rivers combined. This cataclysm stripped hundreds of thousands of square miles of land down to bedrock, and within days, gouged out huge coulees and carried rocks the size of houses all the way to the Willamette River basin in Oregon. And this didn’t happen once, it happened many times as the ice dam kept rebuilding Lake Missoula, and kept collapsing releasing the lake. And this re-occurring event was nothing compared to a 10 mile diameter asteroid hitting the Earth at 15,000 mph down near Yucatan.

    Perhaps you should revise your definition of the scale of this event and call it the biggest man made catastrophe from an environmental aspect. But then, I think if you were to calculate the cumulative effects of hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of square miles of rainforest that have been destroyed to grow palm trees for palm oil that produces so called “sustainable” biofuels, and do a cost benefit analysis of the whole biofuels industry as it applies to the environment, you might be surprised to find that more environmental destruction is ironically being carried out by the fools who think that they’re saving the planet with their ignorant and destructive “Green Jihad”, than what is happening in the Gulf right now.

  • oowawa

    Was the well producing?  I thought that they were just finishing up the well and that it was not yet ready to go into production.  Or?

  • Onofre’s arm

    “This is the worst catastrophe in the history of the world….” 

    First of all kafir, the history of the “world” is 4.5 billion years long. Countless incidents that might be considered catastrophic from a human perspective have occurred during this timeline, and most of them would make this oil spill look like a burning leaf in a forest fire.  
     
    In relatively recent years, as the continental glaciers receded, there was a finger of one of these glaciers that acted as a temporary dam that created a lake in Montana that held 100 cubic miles of water. When that dam broke, all 100 cubic miles emptied out of that lake in less than several days, producing a flow that was greater than all of the world’s rivers combined. This cataclysm stripped hundreds of thousands of square miles of land down to bedrock, and within days, gouged out huge coulees and carried rocks the size of houses all the way to the Willamette River basin in Oregon. And this didn’t happen once, it happened many times as the ice dam kept rebuilding Lake Missoula, and kept collapsing releasing the lake. And this re-occurring event was nothing compared to a 10 mile diameter asteroid hitting the Earth at 15,000 mph down near Yucatan.  
     
    Perhaps you should revise your definition of the scale of this event and call it the biggest man made catastrophe from an environmental aspect. But then, I think if you were to calculate the cumulative effects of hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of square miles of rainforest that have been destroyed to grow palm trees for palm oil that produces so called “sustainable” biofuels, and do a cost benefit analysis of the whole biofuels industry as it applies to the environment, you might be surprised to find that more environmental destruction is ironically being carried out by the fools who think that they’re saving the planet with their ignorant and inefficient “Green Jihad”, than what is happening in the Gulf right now.

  • oowawa

    Yes.  I believe Israel will never be timid if they feel threatened, no matter what Thee One wants to cultivate.  Their history precludes any such possibility.

  • Guest

    Definitely. Narcissists and those with strong narcissistic traits can charm people so easily. That is because they are really professional actors. They have made a lifetime of working to say the right thing to the right crowd at the right time. It has been their only salvation for covering up their low self esteem problem. If they can please someone with words, that person will like them.
    Being a bi-racial child in so many communities where he was so different, and being thrust back on his grandparents by two parents who abandoned him at different times…well, that had to make him want to try to get people to accept him. Thus his narcissistic abilities worked overtime and became his fantasy personality. The real Obama is so deep down inside him, I doubt if he knows himself who he is.

    Right now he knows he is being rejected by an ever-growing number of Americans and IMHO he has stalled efforts as much as possible in the Gulf as revenge. This disaster in his sick mind is an unexpected gift. He can watch people he hates get destroyed he could never destroy directly.

    Falling prey to the charm of a narcissistic person, or one with narcissistic traits is easy. Just like Obama, the first tell tale signs of this problem are the unusual calmness in the face of an emergency…people mistake this for strength and they are fooled into believing that the “calm” person they see will help them. It is not strength, it is an inability to know what to do, and the afflicted person feels helpless, so they pretend to be calm. Others think that should be admired, when the reality is, the afflicted person just wishes no one would get upset and the problem would go away and everyone would shut up so he/she can go on with their life.

  • Wisewoman

    Armymom.  This idea of trying not to be an “angry black man” was Obama’s own personal assessment of how he wanted to comport himself.  He stated in his book “Dreams of My Father” how he did not want to be preceived as “an angry black man”.  As an AA, when I read the first edition of this book I knew he had some real psychological issues.  It was also obvious that he learned to lie and deceive people at an early and he was quite proud of himself that he could pull it off so effectively.  He had much practice lying to and deceiving his mother when she admonished him about his dope smoking, drinking, and lack of effort in his school work.  He would take her hand, look into her eyes and convince her that she did not need to worry because he was not doing those things.  Then he said in the book that afterward he would laugh at how gullible she was.  After reading his book I knew I could never vote for the fraud.  As God is my witness this is truly the gist of those things he stated in his own words in his own book.  That is why Ann Coulter said anyone who clearly read his book would have to be crazy to vote for him.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Aye Aye to that 3 year wait,

    Here is one with a teak hull.

  • Annie/Carmel

    Isarel is not known to ask permission before hand nor apologize afterward for protecting its own survival.  I don’t think they are intimidated by Baby Doc.

  • Annie/Carmel

    A better punishment for the damage he’s caused, Carol H is that he be impeached and “Carterized”…pilloried, given no power or platform and fading into obscurity.  He would really find that a life sentence in solitary.  Oh, and we’d love to see that he loses his fortune as well…legal fees?  The Clintons were deeply in debt when they left office but because they were still liked, their books, speaking engagements restored their fortunes.  If Barry is exposed for what he really is, he’ll be poison in the marketplace.  I don’t know, on second thought there’s Soros to give him $$…but, having used him for his own duplicitious purposes, would he want to invest in diminishing returns?  Is there a Soros owned bus?

  • TeakWoodKite

    “It is more logical to believe that Obama shares the sentiments expressed by Helen Thomas”,

    ….as preached by Rev. Wright for 20 years, none of which he heard.

    I would think the defining informative moment for BO’s views was the speech he gave to the AIPAC in 2008

  • Annie/Carmel

    Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) called out the Fraud-in-Chief stating that the majority of the American people support Israel then demanding that Obama declare “who’s side he’s on.” 

    It’s been obvious to me all along that he’s pro-Palestinian.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    When she puts on those creepy “fashion icon” dresses she’s like the Medussa.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I agree with you Honest – It has to make you pause and wonder. Most of it is deliberate, and he does enjoy political support for it.

    I would never have considered the Black Helcopter conspiracy before, but now I can’t doubt that there maybe something like it.

    We are only a year and a half into this dirtbag, Two and a half more to go. I don’t want to see how much more damage he can do in that time. We need a Republican Congress and Senate to corral him before then.

  • Onofre’s arm

    This article is an absolute MUST if you want to get a reasonable idea of how good intentions often backfire. And it’s from the “Smithsonian”, hardly a right wing, big oil, apologist.

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/specialsections/ecocenter/energy/presence-biofuel-200711.html?c=y&page=1

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I have sailed in open ocean deep water blue water areas. A very bad float plan to lets time dictate the sail plan.

    And apparantly that is what the parents and this young lady did in order for her to get in the record book as the “youngest”.

    “But renowned Australian round-the-world sailor Ian Kiernan said Abby should not have been in the southern Indian Ocean during the current southern hemisphere winter.

    “Abby would be going through a very difficult time with mountainous seas and essentially hurricane-force winds,” Kiernan told Sky News television.”

    A smart sailor always times passages around seasons and weather. In her quest for “youngest” Abby and her parents tossed that prudent bit of caution to the wind.

  • kafir

    He he!

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I have sailed in and made passages across open ocean, deep water, blue water areas. It is very bad float plan that lets time dictate the sail plan.  
     
    And apparantly that is what the parents and this young lady did in order for her to get in the record book as the “youngest”.  
     
    “But renowned Australian round-the-world sailor Ian Kiernan said Abby should not have been in the southern Indian Ocean during the current southern hemisphere winter.  
     
    “Abby would be going through a very difficult time with mountainous seas and essentially hurricane-force winds,” Kiernan told Sky News television.”  
     
    A smart sailor always times passages around seasons and weather. In her quest for “youngest” Abby and her parents tossed that prudent bit of caution to the wind.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Jackie deleted her post again.

  • kafir

    Vote Oilbama and  collect free oil in the Gulf…

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Obama is just looking for a way to blame Republicans when they don’t pass or support an act that is not needed.

    The problem with that strategy is that the James Carvells of the Gulf States will not let Obama get away with it.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    fyi… KBR is no longer a subsidiary of Halliburton. KBR is an independent company.

  • carol haka

    I can’t believe they are advertising where she is located.  There has to be a million pirates and shit where she is at.

    Idiot parents.  Can you imagine what a band of pirates would do to here?

    Stupid.  Child abuse.

    I thought they would track behind her.  This is insane.

    >:o

  • ahs

    Just an FYI from a legal-minded person… you’re probably beyond the limits of “fair use” here.  To avoid copyright issues, you’re better off editing down your quotes from the story (looks to me like you’ve got the thing copied and pasted in its entirety) and/or adding more editorial comment.  I doubt CPI would be one to get too excited about the violation, but better safe than sorry.

  • connie

    Where did you read that…if they euthanize them, there won’t be any pics of them…they can just get rid of the carcuses and that it…we will never know!

  • beyond_words

    Ono you always have the best responses on here hands down. Seriously your “kill them with facts” replies are awesome I learn alot from this site somedays ;)

    PS I absolutely love ancient history as you described.

  • Docelder

    I was thinking in bankruptcy liquidation and in the bailout of BP and maybe even AIG again which may insure BP. What if taxpayers wind up owning an energy company that winds up focusing on environmental issues? I makes sense.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    That’s exactly the plan connie. They don’t want us know or see what is going on!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well thank you BW, I often wonder if posting my thoughts is worth the effort, but a small compliment like yours is very encouraging. And my typing skills have certainly improved to the point where I don’t lose track of my thoughts while trying to type them out. Also, any type of feedback I get here is considered while I’m trying to work up the nerve and confidence to actually write several dramedy fiction novels, and a non fiction “Warning: How ‘NOT TO’” book, that have been building in my mind for some time now. 

  • Docelder

    Is this some kind of astroturfing campaign to slight this site? I don’t think most people care if he was a Muslim, if he were competent. He denies he is Muslim. Doesn’t matter compared to the incompetence. I just want the guy to do the job he campaigned for, quit vacationing, quit trying to be a celebrity and stop apologizing. Isn’t winning good enough? What is wrong with just being a good President? The guy is campaigning for king of the world I think… the job doesn’t exist.

  • Docelder

    He will be an even worse ex-President than he is a President. Once again Jimmy Carter on steroids. I Think BO will settle somewhere like the UN and will be a lifetime enemy of capitalism. I think this is the main reason behind the apology tour. He is campaigning for his next position.

  • beyond_words

    I’am sure they would be well done and good reading!
    ;)

    I don’t know who keeps me in stitches more though; you Oowawa or Ferd lol. You all have a wicked sense of humour. This place has actually improved my mood on a few occasions…

  • Cindy

    No Longer—-Thank you! I hadn’t realized that (no longer subscribe to the Chronicle). The crux of this, though, still, is that while KBR is being given no-bid contracts……..they are under investigation.
    There’s no end to this ”bid-ness as usual”  from an administration that promised to be the anti-thesis of that.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    They were having a big congrats party on the rig for just getting it into operation. It had just started getting oil from the well.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I know for myself and others in the disaster response community when we saw the fire we knew it was bad. But when we saw the rig go down it was a “ho-ly fuck” moment.

    I felt it like a disaster in the magnitude of the WTC, but without the same immediate loss of life.

    The magnitude of what the sinking rig was going to cause was immediate. And it only got worse.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Sparrow must have returned to delete his mess. I think I missed some of it. Well, I wouldn’t say I was really Missing it though.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    There would be could be and should be a lot more companies than BP responding to the containment and clean up of the well.

    BP is not the oly company with the tecnology for ddpwater drilling. The company doing the drilling on this rig was Transocean. What has been their inpt? And what has been the input from other companies? ZERO.

    The other companies have been told to stay away.

    If you have eyewitnesses to the crime, determining motive is not really necessary and an after thought to getting witness accounts.

    I don’t relly care what BP and Obamas motives are. The fact is BP is not getting the job done and the government is not stepping up and hiring the other contractors to get it done either.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    I hope BP does not end up being owned by the Federal Government, and I don’t envision the happening yet.

    But I do see BP ending up in a bankruptcy receivership, with a trustee making the decisions to a) remediate the economy and ecology, and b) run the company so it continues to have money to pay for “a”.

  • Docelder

    BP is the 4th largest company in the world. - If we banrrupt them and take them over and force them to clean the environment and divert their business model of renting drilling equipment to drill for oil into developing “green” energy while we run them either in receivership orafter we take them in bankruptcy… see what I am getting to? BP would never have agreed to this before the “accident” and the leak. They couldn’t. They have a responsibility to shareholders. Or, they still do for now.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The EPA is the lead agency for spills that come ashore, and the US Coast Guard is the Lead Agency for spills at sea.

    But all decisions are supposed to go through the “Unified Command” which would include the USCG, the EOPA, state and local governments. And all contracts to private contractors are to go through the Unified Command.

    BP would be taking direction from the Unified Command, and not managing the response themselves.

    Right now, the entire private contreactor response has been through BP. And although the contractors have been mobilized, BP has not given them direction to start work.

    Every major oil company around the globe has offered assistance to suck up, contain and clean the spill. But they have been told to stay away. A disaster of this magnitude requires every possible resource from around the globe, and the Unifided Command should be making that happen.

    BP has been telling Obama to leave them alone, they have plenty of resources to handle the spill. And Dohbama says.”DohKay”.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    The EPA is the lead agency for spills that come ashore, and the US Coast Guard is the Lead Agency for spills at sea.  
     
    But all decisions are supposed to go through the “Unified Command” which would include the USCG, the EPA, state and local governments. And all contracts to private contractors are to go through the Unified Command.  
     
    BP would be taking direction from the Unified Command, and not managing the response themselves.  
     
    Right now, the entire private contractor response has been through BP. And although the contractors have been mobilized, BP has not given them direction to start work.  
     
    Every major oil company around the globe has offered assistance to suck up, contain and clean the spill. But they have been told to stay away. A disaster of this magnitude requires every possible resource from around the globe, and the Unified Command should be making that happen.  
     
    BP has been telling Obama to leave them alone, they have plenty of resources to handle the spill. And Dohbama says.”DohKay”.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    And if they are not that good they will be useful to line the bird cage. The parrot gets bored crapping on the Sunday paper everyweek. ;)

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    When he leaves office Obama will be Jimmy carter on quaaludes

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    To be honest, nobody in their right mind would be sailing in the Southern Ocean this time of year in a small sloop. It’s the last place pirates would be looking for a prize.

    I had a 44 ft sloop designed for blue water sailing. Whe I bought it the surveyor told me it was a great passage making boat, for everywhere except the southern ocean.

    The worst weather I had it in was 20 – 25 ft seas with a confused chop. It was damn uncomfortable for two days. But the boat never went over.

    The boat and the crew, me included, were a little beat up after wards. I had to replace the bolt at the goose neck because it broke at the nut end. Good thing it did not come out or the boom would have swung wildly and damaged the boat and crew.

    That is not the kind of sailing I live for.

  • lorac

    I agree, AT.  I don’t think that the public wants him to get angry, as the MSM keeps whining that they do, instead I think the country has come to see that the president doesn’t CARE.  That’s not about outward, possibly contrived, emotional expressions, that’s about what’s in his heart.

    And I also agree he won’t – can’t – change.  His parents didn’t care for him, and now he doesn’t care for others.  It’s mindblowing that he was given the presidency.

  • Onofre’s arm

    NLBiB, I’m not sure that Transocean was doing the actual drilling. There was the usual collaboration of management, contractors, and sub-contractors on the rig. Transocean owned the rig I believe, BP was leasing it and managing it, and BP had the rights to the oil in the Macondo prospect. Mi Swaco was apparently handling the mud, and Halliburton was doing the cementing. I’m sure there were many instances of crossover between this bunch, and it may have been the same group who recently sunk a well to record depth, so they were apparently a well oiled team, no pun intended. What I would like to know is how well the various contractors communicated with each other, particularly with regard to safety and quality issues. It seems like a complicated set-up with so many chiefs as it were, and I think this may have contributed to a combination of seemingly minor, and poorly communicated, mishaps combining to create a catastrophic failure.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well, if they’re not that good, then they won’t get published in the first place, and then I’ll need to look elsewhere to supply my bird with pulp to poop on. Maybe some used and discarded copies of “The Audacity of Poop”.

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    That is true, but it also sounds like BP was ina positionto bully everyone to meet the demands of a schedule and ignore safety issues. BP’s fingerprints are on every safety failure that I have seen.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Arabella,

    You got something intelligent to say? Or are you just that fucking stupid?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Listen Teak…

    I do not totally disagree with Onofre posting and I agree that BP going belly up is remote but it can happen if this spill gets worse. Yes BP can become a buyout target. Minus the associated liability and that is a very interesting possibility.

    As far as the “They are one in the same. Not two distinct objects”. Sometime reality and bullshit is very difficult to distinguish. But in this case is not that hard if you understand the facts. This is an oil spill not a moon shot. Look there is enough parties to blame to fill the Astrodome. That includes the Governor of Louisiana who is about as flat footed as one can imagine. He is running around like a chicken with his head cut off and not doing much better than his predecessor did during Katrina. 

    BP is running the show I have no doubt and doing a real lousy job at it. The rest is political theater. Whether you like it or not. While the ego’s in the Gulf State Agencies are adding to the disaster.This spill is about “money to be made”. Not by BP. But by every pirate contractor on the job . This is a win fall for them. I am one who believes that some contractors are purposely not doing the best they can in containment. Big bucks if oil gets to the beaches or marshes for them. Lots of work for the long term. So there is plenty of blame to go around here.

    However still I see no sound advise on what to do or how to handle this event coming from anyone here. Just more talk the talk bullshit……

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Helenk

    Like I said political theater…………….

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Carol…. here is a “bigoted” remark from me …..The USS LIBERTY!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    “A 16-year-old girl trying to sail solo around the world who was missing in treacherous seas in the Indian Ocean has been found by an Australian search plane and is in good condition, her parents said on Friday. ”

    Another idiot! The parents should be charged with being criminally negligent.This is no joke. Professional die at sea with the best of equipment on board. Life is dangerous enough and to place a minor in this type of situation is totally uncalled for.

    These type of parents need their fucking heads examined.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    NLBIB…

    Maybe you should understand how the law actually works? But then again its the same ole NLBIB. All talk and no walk. You still have no given any specifics on what, when, where and how if this event is federalized. Just talky talky … Now here is your chance to show everyone how brillent you really are?

    So? Where are your specifics? Or are you Obama Jr.?

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Once again… Stupidity speaks for NLBIB…. The Republican’s caused the problem when they controlled Congress. James Carvell? He was moron back in the Clinton years and he is still one. By the way, he is also married to another moron…. 

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    “It’s unfamiliar territory for a former Coast Guard Academy football captain who has managed responses to crises that include the earthquake in Haiti, Katrina and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.”

    Another reporter with his head up his ass! Unfamiliar territory to the United States Coast Guard? Give me a fucking break Evans. Next you’ll expect an award for this story…..

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    No Helenk…

    Its not the gang who can’t shoot straight…. Its about bureaucratic stupidity…. During Valdez. We ran out of boom. So some of the teams chained logs together and improvised, adapted and overcame the situation. Of course that is when boom was manufactured by the few and not required for response organization for classifications.

    But right now the Admiral is right… they need all the boom they can get. Redundancy with boom is badly needed.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Another idiot reporter with nothing really to say…..

  • bamaLV

    this is exactly why obama refused to have his picture taken with Netenyahu. he’s afraid the muslims will put a fatwah out on him. we can only hope.

  • bamaLV

    so he needed to speak to a whole bunch of experts to tell him who’s ass to kick? even that he couldnt come up with himself? since he claimed he was ” ready on day one”, why does he always need a gaggle of people to tell him what to do? do you think hillary would have been sitting around sucking her thumb and waiting for someone to tell her what to do? instead we have an incompetent fool whose only claim to fame was being a community organizer..and he can’t even organize a cleanup. i’d LOVE to know what hillary  is thinking  now about this bumbler in chief?

  • bamaLV

    how about if just his white half show some anger?

  • bamaLV

    he has said many times (check out u tube) that he is a muslim. of course he hasnt said it here in the U.S., but he has said it in countries with large muslim populations. going as far as admitting to the pres. of egypt that he is a muslim.  if thats not enough proof, in his(?) book he states “if the winds of politics shift in an ugly direction, i will stand with the muslims” how much more proof do we need than his own words?

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