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Something’s Wrong with the McChrystal Slam Dunk UPDATE

I realize General McChrystal is already tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. The lazy fucking media reports, “GENERAL MCCHRYSTAL SAID . . .” but, if you take time to read the article, McChrystal is not quoted once saying anything disparaging about anyone up his chain of command. Several guys who work on his staff are talking shit, but not Stan. Now, I’m not excusing Stan McChrystal for hiring those assholes or not riding herd on them, but I’m troubled by a key unanswered question–who made the decision to let the Rolling Stone reporter embed with McChrystal?

This was a set up of General McChrystal. While I’m not a personal friend, I worked under his command for several years and know that he frowned on sharing anything with the media. In fact, I’m certain he did not invite the Rolling Stone reporter into his lair. So he did? Was this one of his over zealous staff or was he ordered by someone higher up to give the reporter access?

Yes it is true that McChrystal is apologizing for the information in the article. I know why.

I spend a significant amount of time each year working with U.S. military forces that have the counter terrorism mission. They talk alot of shit when they are among friends. Some of it is rude. Much of it is blue. And it, within the context, is funny as hell. It is a way of blowing off steam. When you put men (and the forces I’m with are 100% male, no females) who are working in life and death situations on a 24/7 basis they do need to blow off steam. Unfortunately, these guys are not President Obama. They can’t play golf when it suits them. They can’t invite Paul McCartney in to sing “Hey Jude.” They can’t host the NCAA Men and Women’s Basketball Champs for a meet and greet. Instead they use crude humor as a release. You get a flavor of that in the Rolling Stone article.

More importantly, they make jokes about political figures and leaders. But it is supposed to be kept in-house. They’ll follow Obama’s orders but they don’t like nor respect him. That’s the reality and some of those feelings expressed by subordinates of McChrystal got out into public.

So far Obama has played this event pretty cool. He’s trying to act Presidential. Good. Let’s see what happens tomorrow. If McChrystal shows up with resignation in-hand and Obama accepts it then McChrystal will soon be outside of the tent pissing in. I don’t think Obama wants that nightmare. Alternatively Obama can refuse to accept the resignation and then, in a gesture magnanimity, forgives McChrystal and sends him back to the fight. If he does the latter it will boost Obama’s standing. American’s love it when a President, like a Roman Emperor at a gladiator circus, gives the thumbs up and saves a warrior.

Meanwhile, this does not answer the question–who let the enemy in the tent?

UPDATE: Here’s what I think happened. Rolling Stone asked someone at the White House or DOD for permission to do a piece on the counter insurgency progress in Afghanistan. McChrystal was told to let the reporter accompany them. He thought that the piece being done was on the counter insurgency. Boy, was he wrong. What he did not count on was that the reporter would choose to focus on the remarks made by staff members. As Politico has reported, Rolling Stone never ran the whole article by McChrystal and his team. The rest of the media needs to ask the more important question I raised above, “Who put the reporter in the McChrystal camp?”

  • EllenD

    Good question. And I’m sure there are women in the Military who talk  the same way under the same circumstances.
    But it is weird that they forgot the guy next to them was a reporter. If you have ANYTHING to do with the press, you know they are the enemy.

  • Steve Judd

    I think your analysis is dead on, Larry. I mean, this is the kind of organizational trash talking that goes on in your average junior high teachers’ lounge. And then put these common dynamics in a combat zone where life and death is a daily issue as you so well describe? Of course these men will fiercely defend their leader and diss those outside the circle whom they see as at best unsympathetic or at worst problematic dopes. Frankly, I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    So yours is the right question—how’d this guy get inside? Pure hunch on my part is that some overzealous PR flunky (like the pisher who promptly quit/got canned today) either didn’t know the free-lancer was writing for Rolling Stone (and I haven’t read anything one way or the other on that fact) or did, and maybe grandiosely thought he was helping birth the next “Generation Kill” project for the magazine. But I don’t know, of course—it will be interesting to see how that  key question plays out.

    I also agree with your recommendation of how Obama should proceed, though I’d sit the General down just the two of them in the Oval and demand to know “just what the frick were you thinking?? Between this and the London press conference where you sandbagged me, do you really just want me to fire your butt?”

    And if satisfied with the exchange, turn down the resignation and let the chain of command handle appropriate disciplne.

    But it sure as shooting will be interesting to watch. And, finally, congratulations to Rep. Joe Barton (Idiot-TX) for being the luckiest man alive. Didn’t hear much about him today, did we?

  • sowsear

    McC. fired the man who scheduled the interview.. if that gives you a clue. The name was in one of the many articles we were reading all day.

  • Mandelay

    Yes, Larry, it sure stinks all the way to the cave where Bin Laden is reading his own copy of Rolling Stone.  I could find no mention of SOS Hillary Clinton in all of this. What does McChrystal think of her role in all of this?  He was framed to be critical of just about everyone else.  I was also wondering, if the General is fired, are plans for the next battle canceled and are we getting out much, much earlier, giving Obama the chance to stop spending in Afghanistan and use the funds to spend more, more, more at home?  Was the General used to end our involvement there earlier?  Or was he framed to make a weak President look even weaker?  And what of our gal Hillary?  And thank you for writing such a great post, especially putting the “trash talk” in its proper context.  It’s the same in any organization and is supposed to be kept “in-house.”  This was a disgraceful set-up of a patriot.

  • PssttCmere

    Maybe McChrystal should be glad to get out….anymore you cannot expect honest reporting.  obama dictates, they print.

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

  • oowawa

    “who let the enemy in the tent?”

    Is it possible that McChrystal was ordered to allow access to the Rolling Stone reporter?

  • sowsear

    Politico reports a correction to their earlier version that McC/company reviewed the whole story and approved it.

    Correction: An earlier version incorrectly reported that Rolling Stone had given the entire story to McChrystal’s office for fact-checking.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38842.html#ixzz0rdoAiDW5

  • candymarl

    Normally when in the military you are routed to Public Affairs of the branch  affected. I know. Took a few phone calls.

    The General had to know this.

    The press does not get unlimited access to military personnel.

    I agree that civilian control is necessary to avod military dictatorship.

    Something is not right here.

    I’m speaking from experience. Of course with Obama that doesn’t count.

  • sowsear

    Duncan Boothby, a civilian public affairs assistant to McChrystal who set up the interviews for the Rolling Stone article — submitted his resignation.

  • Gail

    This comment from Mandelay was edited, I think.  Originally it asked, “what of our gal Hillary? I didn’t see her mentioned in the article.”  Or something close to that….Did NQ change this comment? If so, why?

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    >:o

  • ~~Justme~~

    It is still there?

    And what of our gal Hillary?  And thank you for writing such a great post, especially putting the “trash talk” in its proper context.  It’s the same in any organization and is supposed to be kept “in-house.”  This was a disgraceful set-up of a patriot.

  • sowsear
  • sowsear

    Holbrooke, I think, covers Afghanistan for BO

  • Yttik

    Something is wrong with this whole story, Larry. Everybody can feel it.  I don’t know what is going on behind the scenes, but something is off.

    But I have to admit, when I read your words, “Obama…in a gesture magnanimity,” I snorted coffee up my nose.

  • EllenD

    Correction: An earlier version incorrectly reported that Rolling Stone had given the entire story to McChrystal’s office for fact-checking.

    Right. Anyone who has been interviewed knows that you have NO IDEA what they are going to write. When you get more savvy you give them sound bites that you know will make it in because it saves them from thinking. If you leave them on their own you don’t know what kind of bat-shit stuff they will come up with.
    My husband was once quoted as saying he wanted to kiss the tree across the street. (long story, but no he didn’t say anything like that).

  • catherine

    Larry, do you think it’s possible that General McChrystal gave his aides the OK to say those things? I mean, there’s always the possibility that the General was willing to fall on his sword …so to speak …in order to expose this incompetent Pretendident.

  • CentralMass

    I find it very hard to believe that a General like McChrystal got duped into this interview. He let this reportor “into the tent”

  • sowsear

    Alternatively Obama can refuse to accept the resignation and then, in a gesture magnanimity, forgives McChrystal and sends him back to the fight. If he does the latter it will boost Obama’s standing. American’s love it when a President

    I hope McC will not play that game…

  • oowawa

    Gail, we can delete and edit our own comments, then readd them.  I have never known NQ administration to edit somebody’s comments . . .

  • candymarl

    The press does not get unlimited access to military personnel. 

    There are Public Affairs officers, that deal with the press, for every branch.

    The General had to know this.

    I’m all for civilian control so that the military does not overthrow the elected government. That applies even if it’s a governing group  we don’t like.

    All Secretaries of the different branches of the military are civilians. WTH is going on?

  • sowsear

    I haven’t had much experience with being interviewed  and/or being misquoted, but I know others who have been, even after having read the preview. “There’s many a slip twixt tongue and pen”, or so I’ve heard.

  • sowsear

    Alternatively Obama can refuse to accept the resignation and then, in a gesture magnanimity, forgives McChrystal and sends him back to the fight. If he does the latter it will boost Obama’s standing. American’s love it when a President

  • sowsear

    There’s many a slip twixt …tongue and pen.

  • Patience

    The impression the RS article conveys to me is that COIN policy is unpopular among the troops, they can’t execute the plan because they don’t/can’t understand it, it’s extremely expensive, it’s of interminable duration and likely ineffective in the end, and all McChrystal’s idea.  Failure in Afghanistan is therefore his fault. 

    Now, we don’t know if this article accurately depicts the situation but it’s clear the RS reporter feels the war as it stands is a lost cause and he’s trying to get the word out without casting much blame the POTUS’ way.

    I would expect this sort of war report from Rolling Stone, so I guess I’m not inclined to believe in any conspiracy theory unless someone can convince me otherwise.  Rather, I have a feeling loose-lipped sources mistakenly didn’t feel blabbing to RS was that big of a deal because they don’t consider it a serious news source.

  • Peggy Sue

    Actually, Hillary Clinton was given points by the McChrystal team for her consistent support.  If I remember correctly there was a quote attributed to her on the order of “whatever Stan needs, give it to him.”  Gates was also reviewed favorably. 

    One factoid I picked up on Duncan Boothby: he’s a former producer of the Lou Dobbs show.  He’s considered a “media consultant.”  Seems he fell down on this particular assignment. He’s been with the General for about a year. And Hastings [the writer] is being described as a military embed.

    Something strange about this whole thing. 

  • TeakWoodKite

    This must be on of the items that gets any one in General McChrystal position crazy.

    Report Says U.S. Contracts Funding Afghan Insurgents 

  • TeakWoodKite

    This must be one of the items that gets any one in General McChrystal position crazy. 
     
    Report Says U.S. Contracts Funding Afghan Insurgents 

  • jbjd

    Eric Bates, Editor of Rolling Stone, is quoted in Politico.
    “We ran everything by them in the fact-checking process as we always do.”

    At the end of the article, Politico ran this line, distinguished only in that it is italicized.
    “Correction: An earlier version incorrectly reported that Rolling Stone had given the entire story to McChrystal’s office for fact-checking.”

    Please, I beg you, if you ever see anything as blatantly corrupted and disingenuous as this on my blog, tell me. (And then, shoot me, and put me out of my misery.)

  • sybilll

    Several military personnel called in to our local talk radio asking the same question.  Seeing that the General’s mission would always be thwarted by the Obama regime, he felt the need to speak out.  Seems plausible to me.
    Cut and run, or in it to win it come to mind.  And, McChrystal would never strike me as a cut and run kind of man.  Not with his military history.  Either go all in, or take your wank ass home seems more his style. 

  • Geoff C..

    Anything to take the focus off the gulf even if it means throwing a general under the bus. If he said the things that he did then he needs to be fired. As much as I hate to say that about someone who has done so much for our country we are still beholden to our constitution. Boo calling two people in a week a liar. Who do you belive? Them or him.

  • Armymom

    I didn’t get that he said anything against anyone, especially Bo, except he seem to be intimidated by the military and unprepared to meet with him. How is that reason for firing him? His aides said a lot more

  • SoCalDem

    Them. Obama’s lips were moving so he was lying.

  • Annie/Carmel

    I wouldn’t believe anything from Baby Doc’s lying mouth.

  • FranSC

    sowsear, Holbrooke, covers whatever he covers under Hillary.  He was the first person she hired January 21, 2009 – the day after the Inauguration.  Former US Senator Sam Nunn also was hired by and reports to SOS Clinton.  Most people think incorrectly that both of these men report to 0bama.

  • Patience

    I’d like to add that I think the article’s intention is anti-military.  It not only portrays McChrystal as a rogue agent, it makes his team seem less-than-serious, and the troops come off as itching-to-shoot-’em-up types who aren’t smart enough to get with the program.  All of this taints/qualifies their criticism of any Obama administrators involved.  I may be wrong but I have a feeling that media interpretations of the article that imply there’s a hidden agenda to expose/influence Obama administration mishandling of Afghanistan, while it may have been the intention of military sources, WAS NOT the intention of the RS reporter.

    I saw Richard Engel (NBC’s foreign correspondent who’s spent A LOT of time in Iraq and Afghanistan) interviewed by Chris Matthews about the article and he kept using the term “frustration” and just wouldn’t take the bait Matthews kept dangling in front of him to criticize McChrystal or the troops. 

  • Patience

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    I’d like to add that I think the article’s intention is anti-military.  It not only portrays McChrystal as a rogue agent, it makes his team seem less-than-serious, and the troops come off as itching-to-shoot-’em-up types who aren’t smart enough to get with the program.  All of this taints/qualifies their criticism of any Obama administrators involved.  I may be wrong but I have a feeling that media interpretations of the article that imply there’s a hidden agenda to expose Obama administration mishandling of Afghanistan, while it may have been the intention of military sources, WAS NOT the intention of the RS reporter.  
     
    I saw Richard Engel (NBC’s foreign correspondent who’s spent A LOT of time in Iraq and Afghanistan) interviewed by Chris Matthews about the article and he kept using the term “frustration” and just wouldn’t take the bait Matthews kept dangling in front of him to criticize McChrystal or the troops. 

  • Patience

    I’d like to add that I think the article’s intention is anti-military.  It not only portrays McChrystal as a rogue agent, it makes his team seem less-than-serious, and the troops come off as itching-to-shoot-’em-up types who aren’t smart enough to get with the program.  All of this taints/qualifies their criticism of any Obama administrators involved.  I may be wrong but I have a feeling that media interpretations of the article that imply there’s a hidden agenda to expose Obama administration mishandling of Afghanistan, while it may have been the intention of military sources, WAS NOT the intention of the RS reporter.    
       
    I saw Richard Engel (NBC’s foreign correspondent who’s spent A LOT of time in Iraq and Afghanistan) interviewed by Chris Matthews about the article and he kept using the term “frustration” and just wouldn’t take the bait Matthews kept dangling in front of him to criticize McChrystal or the troops. 

  • HARP

    If I`m not mistaken, General McChrystal swore allegiance to the constitution, not any particular President.

  • FranSC

    If you will recall, Rolling Stone Magazine endorsed 0bama in the 2008 Primary.  The magazine had not endorsed anyone for President in many years.  So whoever gave the go-ahead for this reporter to be embedded with McC and Co no doubt trusted this publication to continue their undying devotion to their hero of 2008.  (Sounds a little like McCain trusting Katie Couric to treat Sarah Palin right when they decided to give her the first interview with Sarah.  They probably thought that since Couric was female and had only the week before spoken out about the unprecedented sexism that Hillary had suffered in the primary that she would treat Sarah respectfully, etc.  Well…we know how that turned out.)

    Rolling Stone appears to have pulled a Katie Couric on the 0bama scheduling.  However, Rolling Stone would be about as liberal, anti-war, anti-military as you can get.  We should remember the Vietnam War days and Rolling Stone.  I vaguely remember Jane Fonda and Rolling Stone.  

    So what were these tone-deaf 0bama handlers thinking?  Probably that the magazine would give their adored POTUS another endorsement as to how well he is performing as *the Commander in Chief*, generously giving 0 the credit for any accomplishments of McC.  Hopefully this will be the beginning of a lot of these devoted kool-aid drinkers sobering up to the reality that this man is ill-prepared for the job he has.    

  • BuzzLatte

    Thanks Larry for bringing this up.  Personally, I’m getting tired of a new crisis every week with Obama.  

    Rolling Stone+ Obama =  McChrystal goes bye-bye.

    It feels like this whole thing is a hatchet job.

    Who honestly thinks of Rolling Stone as a viable news or commentary source?

  • Deapthrowt

    Will Rolling Stone embed someone in Rahm Emmanuel’s office to record what he says.

    Oh wait, maybe they already did and that is why Twinkle Toes Potty Mouth is already leaving.

  • Bronwyn

    Fascinating.  About three hours ago, I tried the link to that Politico story and couldn’t get the page to open.  Nor could I get into the home page of Politico.  

    That correction should be at the top of the article.  

  • kafir

    This is the greatest laughing stock in the universe. A powerful and formidable US General being slam dunked by an illegitimate Indonesian immigrant!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myM_OGnfcNM

    Time to take back America from the illegitimate Indonesian boy!

  • elaine

    Sounds like another tempest in a teapot to me…come on, what is this crap? Someone in the military made a less than flattering remark about Richard Holbrook???  LOL. Is this bs suppose to make us forget about the gusher in the Gulf? The mysterious radiation wafting over the Korean DMZ? The lousey economy? Iran sending ships toward Gaza? Massive cuts to Medicare? etc.

    Gen. McChrystal has been handed a next to impossible task by his civilian overlords. I’m still not sure what the mission in Afghanistan is, does anyone really know?  We don’t aim to win wars anymore. We just “partner” with weird people & factions around the world  while they suck us dry. Guess that’s the plan.

  • elaine

    did the spam filter eat my comment?

  • jardg

    Maybe this is off topic but maybe it’s the only topic.  Obama has a fly on his face in the photo posted on Drudge.  I really think he is the devil incarnate.  All I can think of is the Exorcist.  There’s a fly on his face!

  • kafir

    Is it Obama and/or Osama slam dunk US General McChrystal? 

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-350616083666560096#

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    A Fly Went By

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    Whatever happened to the Powell Doctrine of Overwhelming Force?
    Obama is the new President so he changed it to Underwhelming Farce.

    This is the typical media frenzy over nothing. Creating a crisis out of a mirage.

    So what if McChrystal said the things his staff repeated. A General is not entitled to an opinion? Since when is expressing an opinion insubordinate or disloyal?

    When your boss is a jackass. That is the only time when having an opinion is a liability.

    Having and expressing an opinion does not equate with failure to perform a lawful order.

    Obama trusted BP to plug, contain and clean the mess in the Gulf, because Obama claimed BP was the “Experts”.

    Obama trusts the “Experts” of a foriegn corporation to clean what could become the worst environmental disaster on the planet. But he won’t even allow the US military experts to express an opinion.

    I trust McChrystal. If he says Obamas and Bidens policies are doomed to fail, I believe him. Obama swore during the primary debates that he would value and trust the opinions of the commanders on the ground. Now he won’t even let them have an opinion.

    That easily meets the qualications for Jackass.

    McChrystal does not need to prove himself. He should enjoy retirement. I’ll bet he knows how to play golf. Unlike the 5 year old in the White House.

    I would not be surprised if this story was a plant to draw attention away from the Gulf. Instead it highlights one more requirement of the Presidency that Obama is totally unprepared and unable to manage.

    The only things that will keep McChrystal in uniform are his loyalty to Country and to his troops. It certainly will not be anything coming from Obamas mouth. 

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    In the Washington Examiner:

    “It’s true that most of the negative remarks were attributed to staffers rather than to McChrystal himself. And it’s true that none of them amounts to insubordination or refusal to carry out orders, the offense for which Gens. George McClellan and Douglas MacArthur were appropriately fired.”

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Whether-he-likes-it-or-not_-Obama-must-command-96929789.html#ixzz0rfCxzZDL

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    McChrystal requested a minimum of 40,000 additional troops to complete the mission, and as many as 60,000 +. (See the Powell Doctrine of Overwhelming Force)

    “Gen. McChrystal has warned that the U.S. faces possible “mission failure” in Afghanistan unless it quickly sends large numbers of forces there.”

    But Obama, the military expert that he is, decided McChrystal could get the job accomplished with only 30,000 troops.

    With the fewer number of troops, Obama and Co had to get creative on how to carry out the mission.

    So instead of US Military resupplying forward deployed bases, Obama has Civilian Contractors performing that task. And instead of US military escorting the civilian supply convoys, Obama has hired the Taliban to provide protection to the convoys so they will not be attacked while enroute.

    It does not take a military genius to understand that funneling money to the enemy is a bad idea. 

  • kenoshamarge

    I’m not informed enough to “know” what the hell is going on, but I my proboscus tells me something just isn’t right.

    Last night on “Special Report” Charles Krauthammer suggest the letter of resignation in McCrystal’s hand being refused by a “magnaimous” Oblahblah and said he hoped that was what happened.

    Perhaps Oblahblah and his staff may think that they best outcome too. A. They get to humiliate a “real” man and look magnanimous doing so and B. it keeps him from being outside the tent pissing in.

    Question is, can Oblahblah’s handlers convince the tender-skinned, petulent one that is the best way to handle things. The tender-skinned, petulent one does so like to show that he’s the pres and that he has the power to do stuff other than play golf and hob-know with celebs.

  • Breeze

    Bronwyn -

    I haven’t been able to get Politico.com to open for me for
    about a week now.

  • creeper

    FranSC, that makes as much sense as anything else I’ver read.  They thought RS would publish a puff piece.  What a shock this one must have been.

    And evidently nobody has a right of review on what was written.  Damn, these people are dumb.

  • creeper

    FranSC, that makes as much sense as anything else I’ver read.  They thought RS would publish a puff piece.  What a shock this one must have been. 
     
    And evidently nobody had a right of review on what was written.  Damn, these people are dumb.

  • Breeze

    -

    And you thought Bush was embarrassing? Obama’s
    policies are leaving Americans red in the face

    New York Daily News,
    by S.E. Cupp   

    Original Article

    6/23/2010 

    Americans today don’t embarrass very easily. Just ask MTV progeny Heidi Montag-Pratt-Montag [pictured above] (and her plastic surgeon), Rod Blagojevich or the Salahis. Tiger Woods had no problem showing his face at the U.S. Open less than a year after ruining his squeaky-clean image (and perhaps his marriage). Eliot Spitzer could become the next Larry King. As for me, I’m a cable news pundit, so clearly my standards of dignity are fairly low. But two years into his first term, President Obama is proving we are not entirely without shame. Thanks to a slew of gaffes, blunders…. miscalculations

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Heck, the media did this to Hillary and Sarah.  The media is a tool used by the power elite to protect obama and destroy any who threaten him.

    obama is ALWAYS surrounded by those who he knows will protect him (particularly Valerie Jarrett) and he doesn’t speak extemporaneously very much either (always on the teleprompter speaking words written for him).  The part of the article that got my attention (not the insults about biden) but the part when McC points out how uninformed about Afghanistan obama was when they met for the first time.  I also think McC couldn’t help himself after his recognizing that obama was not up-to-speed on Afghanistant, which is awful for a president since he’s the one sending them there to possibly die or come back without an arm, leg, eye, etc..  and perhaps, made it clear to obama in private that he wasn’t exactly enthralled with him or his image. 

    I think this is in line with Larry’s theory that something is wrong with how this article came down and is why I think those in power chose to get rid of McC rather than risk his possibly exposing the fraud that obama is. 

  • Military

    McChrystal is not going to get fired!

  • HARP

    It has to be………..

  • Noogan

    I disagree with your defense of Gen. McChrystal, Larry; I think Gen. McChrystal should resign. If he refuses to do so, and if Obama doesn’t fire him–according to Jim Miklesewski of NBC, the consensus AT THE PENTAGON IS THAT GEN. McCHRYSTAl SHOULD BE FIRED–it is a toxin injected directly into discipline throughtout the military. 

    According to Eric Bates, Editor of Rolling Stone, Gen. McChrystal WAS CONTACTED prior to publishing the article, and McChrystal had NO COMPLAINT about the article, or the quotes contained therein, nor any disclaimer regarding the quotes from the Gen’s staff OR any complaint about the focus of the article! Furthermore, each comment quoted from the Gen.’s staff were made with Gen. McChrystal PRESENT and he did not–not even once–rebuke any member of his staff for making those comments!

    Moreover, it doesn’t matter whether or not the disparaging quotes came from McChrystal OR his staff; the accountability and responsibility ALWAYS fall with the Commander, for the behavior of his troops.

    However, IF someone at the White House ordered the Gen. to allow a Rolling Stone reporter to dog him for weeks on end, and this is the result, it would be a HELL OF A STORY! HA!!!! Lotta egg on a lot of reporters faces, which I would LOVE TO SEE. 

    :-D :-D :-D

  • SHV

    If true this adds another dimension…Was this story approved by McCrystal??

    “While some media commentators initially tried to deflect criticism of McChrystal by suggesting he was misquoted or thought he was speaking on background or off the record, Rolling Stone’s editor, Eric Bates, stated Tuesday that the general had been allowed to review the piece before it was published and voiced no objections to its content.”

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    “according to Jim Miklesewski of NBC”

    Coming from anyone at NBC is like coming from a higher authority than God. The most credible source on the planet. That is the final authority. Have it etched in stone.

  • Noogan

    Editor of Rolling Stone, Eric Bates, has personally stated twice on Scarborough’s show the past two days that Rolling Stone DID “fact check” with the General and the General did not question ANYTHING in the article or have any complaint with ANY of it. 

  • Noogan

    Nonsense. Gen. McChrystal approved the article. 

  • Noogan

    If Obama lets McChrystal remain in his position as Commander in Afghanistan, it’s going to make Obama look weak, not magnanimous. But this is all a reflection of Obama’s own contempt for rules: 

    Open Contempt Starts At the Top:

    We have a dictator in the White House folks:
    WASHINGTON – Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said Tuesday he will issue a new order imposing a moratorium on deepwater drilling after a federal judge struck down the existing one.

    Salazar said in a statement that the new order will contain additional information making clear why the six-month drilling pause was necessary in the wake of the Gulf oil spill. The judge in New Orleans who struck down the moratorium earlier in the day complained there wasn’t enough justification for it.

    That’s an open act of contempt of court.

    The administration has a right of appeal and to ask for a stay on the judge’s order. It does not have a right to ignore or circumvent the Judge’s order, irrespective of the fraudulent device it might choose to employ to do so.
     
    We either live in a land where the judiciary is the place you go for adjudication of disputes or we live in a Kingdom with a self-appointed ruler and King. Which is it?
     
    It doesn’t matter whether you believe it was the right decision or not.  You were overruled by a court of law.

    http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

  • Mormaer

    So was this a set up to keep in the pipeline to divert attention from other WH disasters keep rolling in? Possibly. Probably. Our government is a big press or PR operation that doesn’t actually govern but “manages” the media. A story about the MMS, WH and DoD fast tracking the Deepwater Horizon and skipping saftety requirements for fast crude access for an Iran confrontation is starting to spread virally although attempts to discredit are slow (and fairly inept) and the usual name calling. Nothing surprises me anymore.

  • Noogan

    Ahh, yes; disparage the source so you don’t have to acknowlege any facts you don’t like…

    Well, unfortunately for you, Jim Miklasewski has a good reputation as a journalist, whether or not he works for NBC; and he’s been at the Pentagon for enough years to build up good sources there. Moreover, as a veteran of the Pentagon myself, I know what and who to believe and Miklasewski’s reports are credible. 

  • Noogan
  • helenk

    at Newser there is an article saying that due to the volcano ash he was on a bus with the general and his aids. It was supposed to be two day interview and instead he was with them for 10 days.
    I do not think that the aids realised the fool would publish what was said on a bus trip. The reporter is now in Afghanistan.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS’

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Peggy Sue

    And yet, Politico published a correction line indicating that was not the case.

    “Correction: An earlier version incorrectly reported that Rolling Stone had given the entire story to McChrystal’s office for fact-checking.” 
    Something is very squirrely about this whole affair.

  • Noogan

    Who IS Michael Hastings? And, how did he get the opportunity to follow McChrystal around for weeks on end, with such inside access? Apparently, he’s a damn good reporter:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/10-great-pieces-michael-hastings-wrote-before-he-brought-down-gen-stanley-mcchrystal-2010-6

  • No Longer an American

    Don’t flys hang with garbage, rotting corpses and flesh?

  • Sassy

    Larry’s question: “Who let the enemy in the tent?”
    My question: “Who gains most by undermining the renewed effort in Afghanistan, at a time when the firm withdrawal date in 2011(before the election in 2012) may not materalize because of conditions on the ground?”

  • No Longer Banned in Beantown

    As I said, etch it in stone.

  • Noogan

    No, you’re not mistaken, but Gen. McChrystal–as everyone in the military–adheres to the UCMJ. And, under Article 88 of the UCMJ, McChrystal is guilty of violation of respect for the chain of command.

    Personally, I hope McChrystal goes because of what McChrystal did in the Pat Tillman incident. McChrystal covered it up–he lied. And, he knew full well he LIED about what happened to Tillman. I cannot reconcile that one act with any officer I would EVER respect. 

    After Tillman died, the most important thing to know is that within–instantly, within 24 hours certainly, everybody on the ground, everyone intimately involved knew it was friendly fire. There’s never any doubt it was friendly fire. McChrystal was told within 24 hours it was friendly fire. Also, immediately they started this paperwork to give Tillman a Silver Star. And the Silver Star ended up being at the center of the cover-up. So McChrystal–Tillman faced this devastating fire from his own guys, and he tried to protect a young private by exposing himself to this, this fire. That’s why he was killed and the private wasn’t. Without friendly fire there’s no valor, there’s no Silver Star. There was no enemy fire, yet McChrystal authored, he closely supervised over a number of days this fraudulent medal recommendation that talked about devastating enemy fire.


  • HC123

    Its very odd. The entire thing. Smells like politics to me.

  • Armymom

    He’s not a “damn good reporter”. He’s one lucky bastard, that is all. These guys go off and let off steam, to “clear their head” since they can’t get to the freakin golf course, and this SOB drinks his way into a story and somehow you get he’s a “damn good reporter”. I say he’s lucky he doesn’t get his ass or his clock cleaned, eventually. It will catch up to him. Let’s just say that if I were him, I wouldn’t want to embed again. lol

  • Armymom

    And yet they finally post on their own site that theyt didn’t have the General or anyone else read the WHOLE story. Hmmm, wonder which it is. Gee that’s a hard one to figure out. Who the hell watches NBC anymore? That is anyone with half a brain?.

  • creeper

    Well, the rules never have applied to Barry.  Why should they now?

  • Armymom

    Um, then he is required to be court martialed, according to you. He didn’t do anything near Article 88, he dissed Holbrook, not Obama.

  • Armymom

    Amen elaine, amen. We have a pussy boy in the WH who doesn’t like his waffles eaten by anyone, waaaaah waaaaaah waaaaaah.

  • Peggy Sue

    Well then Obama and his people haven’t been reading RS lately because Taibbi wrote a series of searing articles on GS, the entire financial fallout and the Administration’s inept response.  And a week to 10 days ago ago, Dickerson wrote a piece about the Oil Kill, nailing MMS and the Administration to the wall.

    Whether this article on McChrystal is fair or not, I think the Rolling Stone is attempting to do actual investigative journalism.  Strange source but nature doesn’t like a vacuum.  The mainstream media has been missing in action for years.

  • Craig Della Penna

    The problem with heroes is that they tend to honest, straightforward types who don’t mind speaking truth to power – this drives politcal weasels crazy.

    I think McChrystal was in a situation where he had no support from the WH, was in complete opposition to the the President’s ‘plan’ and was fully aware that he was just a goat-in-waiting for the inevitable blamestorm that would happen when incompetent politcal hacks tried to hide their responsibility for the coming Afghan debacle. He knew exactly what was in the article and used this as a means to get fired.

  • oowawa

    You bet, Peggy Sue.  RS has been guilty of blatant obot pandering, but their love of muckraking has also come to the fore in spectacular fashion on a few occasions.  They will be nobody’s patsy if the opportunity to upset the status quo presents itself.  This is not Newsweek or Time. 

    Once Thee One became the Establishment Power, it was less fun to polish his pedestal.  Now he is Fair Game as far as RS is concerned.  Hallelujah!

  • Armymom

    Damn, what part of him not getting the WHOLE story do you not understand? CORRECTION: AN EARLIER VERSION INCORRECTLY REPORTED THAT ROLLING STONE HAD GIVEN THE ENTIRE STORY TO MCCHRYSTAL’S OFFICE FOR FACT-CHECKING.

  • Breeze

    -

    EXACTLY!!!

    Thanks for saying it, Craig.

  • Breeze

    -
    EXACTLY!!!

    Thanks for saying it, Craig.

  • surfered

    It must be getting pretty chilly right now in the nether regions because Larry’s recommendation for Obama not to accept Gen. McChrystal’s resignation is the same as Keith Olberman’s.

  • Candy
  • Linda C

    It doesn’t matter “who let the reporter in”. They were all well aware that the reporter was there.  I do not believe that the military at this level is naive about PR and that nothing that was said wasn’t meant to be heard.  McChrystal has his own PR guy for heaven’s sake.  This isn’t the first time McChrystal has done an end around the administration or using Pat Tillman’s death for his own self promotion.

    McChrystal’s own plan, that was supported by the president is not working out well.  The president and administration have questions as to why McChrystal is not meeting the objectives.  So McChrystal starts letting out disparaging remarks about those who question him.  The successful deflection that the Obama administration is incompetant.  Obama’s administration might very well be incompetant, but that has nothing to do with McChrystal military plans not working or the paying off of Taliban and financing War Lords for protection when Obama gave McChrsytal everything he asked for.  The WH and this administration has every right to question McChrystal regarding the progress or lack of progress regarding the campaign and what the general intends to do about it.  If McChrystal views that “as lack of support”, then McChrystal is the real danger here.   Why does Karzai like McChrystal?  Because the Pentagon is spending our money to cement the Karzai  corrupt dynasty, war lords and the Taliban power.  So why would our own president question any of this?

    Does McChrsytal have a bigger ego than Obama and therfore cannot take responsibilty for when his endeavors are not going according to plan?  The Pentagon “leaked old information” regarding the “mineral wealth” of Afghanistan when it was old news as “new”.  Before we invaded Afghanistan in the first place, the news reported the untapped mineral wealth of Afghanistan.  Was this another attempt by McChrystal to boltser support for this war  like he used Pat Tillman?  Does the military think we are that stupid and our memories are that short that the only PR they can put out is the mineral wealth of Afghanistan and disparaging remarks regarding a civilian led military?  This was all intentional.

    If the pentagon succeeds in using money to create a Karzai dynsasty, permantly enshrine war lords and maintain the cohesiveness of the Taliban, then what is the real military objective here?  If the goal is to fight a war and leave everything unchanged, then just come home now and proudly report “Mission Accomplished”.

  • HC123

    Always with the bold and the caps. Why?

  • Armymom

    Well, having a son who is there right now, I would say that the ROE has been taken out of context. McChrystal gets the blame, but even  when he has tried to make sure the people below understand that they can shoot when fired at, it doesn’t happen. You have to ask yourself why. I know the answers, and they lead to the whitehouse. If a soldier protects theirselves or their buddies, then they have to weigh the possibility of the “war pussies” getting their panties in a twist and charging our guys with lots of legal stuff. It’s pathetic. If they have to second guess whether or not they are going to be brought into court for “abuse” against a foreign fighter, not allowed to protect theirselves, walking amber while on patrol, basically allowing politicians to dictate how to win a war, then you have a lose-lose situation. This makes the anti-war crowd very happy. I have nothing but contempt for the code pinkers and such. I would like to put their asses on the line and the POS CIC’s as well. There’s lots of sand over there, perhaps the POS could get in a round of golf. We already know he does basketball in theatre.

  • HC123

    And you know this because you were there? I am not saying he did or did not, but come on. A little less dogma, a little more think.

  • HC123

    We live in a soft tyranny. Not quite a king, but moving in a Chavezly direction.

    Obama already looks weak to most thinking people, and to his fans he is the messiah. I think his status will not change no matter what he decides to do or not do with his general.

    The more interesting question is why they are performing this theater for us right now. It stinks. Bread and circuses for the masses? Something more? Stay tuned.

  • cat

    The left’s insistence that McC must have made every comment the RS article mentions because he didn’t dispute them is ludicrous.

    This is not Barack Obama. This is not a guy who’s going to whine and throw a tantrum and  point the finger at others.

    He took responsibility.
    This is the US Military, not the whining White House.

    Most of the Rolling Stone article is probably bullshit. Except perhaps for the Joe Biteme part  :)

  • Kathleen Wynne

    If I’m not mistaken, it was reported that McC considered the entire obama administration inept, except for Hillary.

    Let’s please not start blaming the woman again!  Does anyone think that the obama administration does not control Hillary?  The Chicago thugs surrounding him would never give her free reign.

  • Sassy

    Armymom, the anti-war crowd is much larger than outsiders.
    They hold the reins of power in the House and Senate, and they are eager to “pull the plug” on Bush’s Wars.
    They only need a convincing speech about supporting the troops, in the meantime.

  • getfitnow

    It never ocurred to me to support That One for POTUS. I never believed that he could “transform” DC.  But as POTUS, I hoped he’d do his best to keep us safe and tak e the right steps to improve our economy.

    It’s sad that things have fallen so fast and hard over the past 19 months that I actually enjoy seeing our president in such an embarassing, self-inflicted lose-lose situation. But, as he told us, HE WON! Now, he has to own every last bit of it. >:o

  • Docelder

    Maybe he lurks even now. 8-)

  • Armymom

    Yep, words, just words.

  • susiepuma

    Here is a very interesting article on McChrystal & the whole flustercluck

    http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/06/22/what_happened_in_paris

    The General was sandbagged & now is taking the responsibility – this is just another example of the LSM being in the kool aid tank – if it was supposed to be investigative reporting – it falls way short of the mark – it turned out to be a hatchet piece and Rolling Stone has never (since Jane Fonda) and will never get any money from me by buying their shitty mag or traffice by going to their website – Tabbili has written some kinda good stuff on Goldman Sucs but refuses for some reason to really place the fraud right smack dab in the center with his puppetmaster Soros – until that happens, I’ll take his articles with a big grain of salt

    My opinion – FWIW – we have been in Afghanistan too damm long – either bomb the hell out of the Taliban & get this over with or – get our troops out of there and let that country continue to fall into hell & we will suffer the consequences – my choice if I have one – bomb the hell out of them before they carry out their next mission in the USA – it will happen

  • carol haka

    Okay.  Back to me.

    Thanks everyone for their Prayers.  And, for the Obots, well just let’s say I have my own doll and plenty of pins.

    I had a brief conversational style interview this morning with the Recruiter.  He said he had my resume and additionally, I had been greatly recommended (?).  This is a job with the other half of the company from the split.

    I am moving to the phone interview with the Hiring Manager.

    Yeepee.

    :-D

  • susiepuma

    Also – a little more info from a military site:

    http://www.blackfive.net/main/

  • susiepuma

    Congratulations Carol – happy for you……………………………

  • Docelder

    I guess Barky has moved on from “teen idol” to “rock star”. Well at least to his branders he has moved on. Clearly, he doesn’t want to be seen as the POTUS.

  • carol haka

    People have to vent.  People talk about their bosses and their peers.

    The Military has a differerent code of conduct.  I regret he allowed this to happen.  Any patriot or decent human being in the press would have blown this off as venting.  There is no common decency.  The paper did this to make a buck.  May they rot in hell.

    I stand with the McChrystal.  Obama likes a public show of “kickin ass” so this should be fine with him – oh wait, you mean ………… this is again about kickin Obama’s ass …………….. ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    >:o

  • Armymom

    I visit Blackfive every day like clockwork. Love em!!

  • Patience

    I still feel the perspective of RS is anti-military and anti-war, and the purpose of this article is to give the impression (rightly or wrongly) that Afghanistan is a hopeless failure.

    I agree with Ellen D’s comment earlier, that anyone’s who’s ever been interviewed by the media never really knows ahead of time what the tone, slant, etc. of the final report will be.  As well, anyone with prior experience should know that odds favor the report will feature the most outrageous remarks and behavior.  So, it’s possible that McC wanted to get the word out that he feels Obama and other officials in his administration aren’t up to the task.  However, the article inflicts much more damage on him and the military than it does to the Obama administration, and McC likely didn’t anticipate the outcome of him not only being characterized as a rogue, but also a weirdo, bad family man, and not beloved by his troops.

    I suppose it’s possible that someone in the WH had a hand in this, but at this point I still doubt it.  Wouldn’t a general and military stategist (of all people) be wary if the WH were pressuring him to allow this reporter access?

    I’m more inclined to believe that RS politically falls in line with Progressives, is disappointed with the POTUS and his military policy but is still loathe to directly criticize him much.  Even the often remarked-upon quote about the “10 minute photo op” makes McC look worse than Obama IMO – focusing more on the general’s bruised ego than the POTUS’ disengagement and opportunism.

    And as far as any talk that this article is Pulitzer Prize material, I feel it falls WAY short of the calliber of reporting in, for instance, the 2 other RS pieces about Goldman Sachs and the Gulf oil spill: almost all of the quotes are by unnamed sources (somewhat understandable in this instance) and I don’t consider that a hallmark of great journalism.  Its portrayal of McC and its military sources in general lack dimension and context.  It’s basically glorified and sensational gossip. 

    I couldn’t agree more with Larry that the general should not have allowed this to happen and that his men didn’t serve him well.    

  • carol haka

    Everyone is getting their boxes in a wad over this Rolling Stone article.  Shocking no one wanted to discuss the other Rolling Stone article by Matt Tibbi.

    >:o

  • Armymom

    Well, first of all, you need to take into consideration just what McChrystal has done with his career. He is not one who has to deal with reporters as he usually does special ops. In other words, behind the scenes and secretative. I don’t think he was prepared to have this happen. Naive? Maybe, but these guys are brothers in arms. They vent to each other, depend on each other, fight for each other and would give their lives for each other. For this guy to get into the “so called” inner circle” and then do this hachet job, it’s dispictable. He evidently doesn’t understand just what “brotherhood” means. If I were him, I’d be very very careful about where he “embeds” again. He won’t be the most popular guy on the front and he “must” depend on these guys to have his back. Something that he showed he isn’t capable of doing. Karma will be a bitch to him, or at least I hope it will.

  • susiepuma

    Link plz?

  • Armymom

    Or the reason for this “frustration” from McChrystal. Although I still am having a tough time wrapping my head around the fact that McChrystal voted for O. That was his first stupid mistake.

  • honestlawyermostly

    cat– I am reminded of the Attorney General of Texas years ago (John Hill).  He had a simple rule for his staff:  you can talk to the press whenever you want but you are responsible for what they say you said. 

  • Mandelay

    This article is very interesting.  Thanks so much for the link!
    Let’s see what influence Hills has in this mess.

  • Onofre’s arm

    And Demons.

  • helenk

    YOU GO GIRL////// YOU CAN DO IT///////I WILL EVEN DO THE  STRUT FOR YOU////////

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE(CAROL), MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS, EQUALISTS,CAROL, AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • ~~JustMe~~

    McChrystal Gone! “O” relieves him.

    if McChrystal is resigning/pushed out, then the command of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan will fall to Britain’s very own Lieutenant General Sir Nicholas “Nick” Parker – who is currently McChrystal’s deputy. But he’ll only be filling in until Obama names a new commander.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    McChrystal Gone! “O” relieves him.
    General Patraeus in!

  • susiepuma

    JustMe – was just gonna post this – beat me to it………….

    now what – the left hates Patraeus………….

  • getfitnow

    Perhaps LJ can comment on this. I heard him on the Batchlor show last night and he indicated Patraeus wasn’t well–still suffering from prostrate cancer.

  • ctfsh

    Maybe McChrystal consciously took this risk to ring some alarm bells b/c he was more concerned for the mission in Afghanistan than his own carreer, and was willing to take the fall. In reading about McChrystal it says he has a high tolerance for risk.

  • stodghie

    noogan, there is a koolaid bar down the road. you clearly need a shot of something since you act like that hack hastings.. don’t assume we are all as stupid as the obama followers still in that mournful procession heading for the cliff which includes you.

    we know a hatchet job when we see one! duh! i have been published by local papers and the federal reserve. i taught reporting at one time, so don’t try your “damn good reporter” bs on me.

  • Elle

    McChrystal knew the consequences the article would have .He is far too intelligent and this outcome is not at all a surprise to him.

  • EllenD

    Look, he may have been conned by the “fact check” promise which only indicates where and when and what but NOT the actual quotations or even worse, the reporter’s characterization of what was said.

    SUBMITTED: Larry Johnson has a blog entitled NO QUARTER and he has published his opinions on General McChrystal for two days. FACTS

    NOT SUBMITTED: It seems Larry Johnson had a closer relationship with McChrystal than he wants to admit, which makes some of his statements perhaps a bit more favorable than the facts themselves show.  NOT FACT

    Now this may not be the Rolling Stone’s style of writing, but I use it to show how submitting facts doesn’t mean anything. It is the writing AROUND the facts that matters. And they didn’t submit that stuff.

  • beyond_words

    Haha people give him too much credit. He’s too dumb to be the AC.
    And we all know what flies are attracted to…

  • FranSC

    “They will be nobody’s patsy if the opportunity to upset the status quo presents itself.  This is not Newsweek or Time.”

    No kidding, oowawa!  RS is apparently still reflective of the now aging 60′s rebels with many causes who inspired this publication from the beginning.  Who knows?  Perhaps the purpose of the McC story was to reveal incompetence on many levels and stop the war in its tracks regardless of consequences.   Many would do just that and let the chips fall where they may. 

  • stodghie

    does the military think we are stupid? i don’t know. i believe they worry about protecting us and the fact some of us are stupid isn’t their concern.

    we need to worry about the fact the dimorats think we are stupid.

  • beyond_words

    I totally agree Carol and Armymom. Well said. It makes me sad. Most of the press these days remind me of vultures circling to pick at the carcass of any successful man/woman with integrity. They seem to glee in it…

  • Jackie

    ““Who put the reporter in the McChrystal camp?””

    Wasn’t that his press aide who resigned yesterday?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/22/boothby-mcchrystal-obama-recall-resignation/

    The media consultant who arranged the interview that got Gen. Stanley McChrystal summoned to the White House has become the first casualty of the general’s candor.
    Duncan Boothby submitted his letter of resignation to the International Security and Assistance Force in Kabul early Tuesday morning.  The civilian senior adviser played a critical role in arranging the interview Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings conducted with McChrystal, America’s top commander in Afghanistan, and his staff. 

  • stodghie

    hmmmm to assume at this point it damages the military is a reach. i believe it might do temporary damage to mccrystal in the suck up sorry ass excuse of a media we have and that is ALL. these idiots will forget and be on to the next “scandal”. oh how they love scandals. at least entertainment tonight is honest about it.

    the damage will be done in the long run to the the united states and aborted attempt to handle aghangistan and our standing in the world. i didn’t think we could sink much lower but we have. i thought after obama’s apology tour and bowing and scraping to our enemies, i’d seen it all. i am wrong. the world leaders will see through this pathetic sharade of a media lynching of a good man. now was he wrong? probably! were he staff at fault? probably! the far left and their media cohorts are gleeful at sticking it to the man. don’t for one second believe otherwise. and this will happen on obama’s watch. the hell that will be afghanistan will fall on him. the gulf oil fiasco will fall on him. he will go down in infamy as a pathetic sorry excuse for a human being who conned his way into the wh. he didn’t prove a minority could be president. he simply proved you can con people and make fools of them. that’s all and i fear it will take a major ass kicking in the world for many in this country to see the reality.

  • surfered

    There is no military solution in Afghanistan.  We cannot “win”.  I concede that if we never leave, then technically we cannot lose, which seems to be prime motivator for many.  As for me, I have seen this movie before and we just recently surpassed it’s running time.

  • Armymom

    You sound like Durbin, Murtha, and the rest of the kool aid drinking bunch, remember Iraq” the war is lost”, the surge will never work”, and on and on. Just admit that you’re clueless and gutless. That’s at least honest. Quite frankly, sheeple like you really piss me off. But as long as we’re not allowed to shoot at the SOB’s, then hell yes, we can’t win.

  • Mike P.

    Obama has once again shown how VAIN he is & also the fact he is a NARCISSIST, Gen.McChrystal’s remarks you will see if you read the article were not ‘dogging’ Obama, His aides on the other hand did make some remaks about Obamas appointees, Can you blame these guys? First of all Obama & company should not have forced Gen.McChrystal who is trying to run a war, Imbed a left-wing reporter from a left-wing magazine! McChrystal with 30 years in Counter-Insurgencey Warfare
    experience is the man for the job!!! Obama fired him to show he was a
    “strong leader” Many people have seen just how unqaulified OBAMA is to
    be called POTUS!!!!!! The ENTIRE country is in shambles, The Economy is in the tank, Obama has set any gains we may have made in ‘STAN’ back a year at least! The % of rank & file military are not happy with Obama as C ‘n’ C, Several polls have shown this, Obama must realize this is not Chicago City Hall & even the BILLION dollar bribes he has authorized being payed to TALIBAN LEADERS will never work!!!! This is deep folks, Watch closely.

  • beyond_words

    Quote from HA:


    It’s unfortunate, but Petraeus has to take this position. In spite of Obama’s despicable talking down to him and accusing him of being a liar and ineffective Army general officer when the General was testifying before Congress during the Bush Administration, he will take the job, no questions asked. Why? Because, in spite of the ignorant man-child’s stupid, uneducated polemic against him in the Senate (during the “General Betray Us” flap), General Petraeus is something Obama isn’t, his father wasn’t, and probably will never come out of his family line: General Dave Petraeus is a REAL man. An OFFICERand a GENTLEMAN. Obama should be intimidated by this man, when he sees him coming, because the General knows this mission is more important than any one person; including an unqualified, clueless, spineless, nutless failure of a poor-excuse for a military CINC.

    Obama is merely taking advantage of the fact that GENERAL Petraeus is a GENERAL’S GENERAL, as was GENERAL Stan McChrystal, UNITED STATES ARMY RANGER, UNITED STATES ARMY SPECIAL FORCES.
    Take comfort in knowing you are inferior to Servicemen and Veterans, Obama. Now you’ve got another, possibly scientifically verifiable excuse for your seemingly genetic propensity failure. Wimpy, wanker bi-ch.

    Leave it to a thin-skinned bi-ch like Obama to get mad about ARMY guys getting drunk and rowdy in a bar, indulging in harsh language and not having the decency to say grace and talk about him.

    Maybe McChrystal’s wife will send you a spare box of tampons, punk.”

    Ding ding ding : Winner!

  • Mr. Natural

    A reporter will smile while sharpening his dagger and buy you round after round, hoping you’ll say “how you REALLY feel.”

    They’ll find your parish priest and ask if you ever farted in the confessional; did you ever kick your dog?

    That said, I have a firm and vivid memory of standing in front of a field grade officer, long, long ago, in a land far away, and being reminded that when They Made Me an Officer, they were supposed to have removed the bone in my head that caused me to say things like: “Who is the fucking gelding who thought THIS goat screw up?”, and that, any further Transgression vis-a-vis the chain of command would most assuredly result in my being reassigned to Adak, Little Diomede, or some other garden spot lacking sunlight, barbecue or a decent brothel to Contemplate the Error of My Ways.

    The Message was clear:

    1. You don’t get paid to Like It, you get Paid to Do It.
    2. When your Opinion is required, it will be sought.
    3. Shut the fuck up. Put your observations and objections in your Memoirs.

    There are Unwritten, but still Immutable rules to be followed when your manna flows from ANY organization run by more than 12 white men in neckties and/or uniforms (including universities, bus companies, etc). Deviation from same will eventually result in, “Lightning Hitting Your Shithouse.”

    We eagerly await the coming comparisons between McChrystal and MacArthur.

    “Intelligence is no impediment to stupidity.” – Albert Einstein

  • Mike P.

    BULLSHIT!!!!!! OBAMA THE VAIN, INCOMPETENT, NARCISISST!!!!!

  • BuzzLatte

    Now the left gets General “betray-us”.  

    Really, who is the winner here?

  • Annie/Carmel

    BRAVO!

  • Retired

    Now that he’s shut down Guantanamo and completely pulled out of Iraq, I think that it’s time that Obama start focusing on his promise to pull out of Afghanistan in 12 months.  With guys like McChrystal in place, that isn’t going to happen.  We need someone with experience in pulling out over there, like Joe “Bite Me” Biden.  Ass needs to be kicked to divert attention away from BP.  McChrystal’s ass is is going to get the nod.

  • truthtelling007

    Armymom, why are you threatening this reporter?
    Why should he even be subjected to comments like yours?
    This is unacceptable to treat a journalist this way because you don’t like the outcome of the story. McChrystal did read the article before print and he said his comments were inappropriate. Why do you want to snipe at the reporter now?

  • truthtelling007

    stodghie is one of the last people I’d ever take tips from in writing a story. Nothing in your comment shows how Hastings is a “hack”. Just another empty snipe.

  • Ladydawnelle

    didn’t Gen’s Shinseki and Zinni both “fall on their swords” so to speak – to expose or rebel against what W was doing in Iraq?  I know it’s a different day and a different animal but a General is a General no matter who is in command.  If their troops or mission is being threatened – they will usually plan a way to FIX IT!

    just surmising

  • truthtelling007

    Sorry Noogan, you are wrong. There is no evidence that McChrystal “Approved” the article. That isn’t how it works. His staff were able to check the fact based items for the article. You have zero indication that a General was allowed to approve an article about himself. That would be…unjournalistic.

    I write articles on people but don’t call them back to approve my article. I ask them if what I said was factual. If they find a dispute, I give them a chance to correct my interpretation or understanding. That’s it. They don’t get to approve the results. That would make me a tool.

  • stodghie

     not truthteller! glad to know you don’t like my post. it shows i am on target and accurate about know nothings like you.

  • Armymom

    Um, where to begin….well first of all I’m not threatening anyonel. Read again. He broke a sacred trust by getting into the inner circle. You can call him a clean reporter if you want, that isn’t the case. And don’t think that soldiers don’t talk among each other. They will and they will not trust this guy again, but the soldiers will have to protect his ass, which puts our guys in harms way.My son being one of them. If you don’t like that, then fuck off because first and foremost, I’m a mother and I’ll do whatever I have to to protect my son.  This guy, as far as I am concerned, is a traitor. This isn’t journalism.

     And McChrystal did not read the whole article, it wasn’t presented to him. Snipe at the reporter now? Hell I’ve said from the beginning this was a set up. And you think it’s fair? Wow, that’s about all I’m left with with you. Just wow. How you can even begin to say I’m threatening this report is just mind blowing. Seriously, fuck off.

  • truthtelling007

    Anyone who has studied Rolling Stone’s journalists should know the extensive hours that go into their profiles. They do not just sit a General down and interview him. This reporter was given access to events where he gathered info, not stand alone sit downs. Fly on the wall is the key phrase.

  • Armymom

    Seriously, you got a problem dude.

  • Armymom

    Not you stodghie

  • EllenD

    I’d like to add that I think the article’s intention is anti-military.

    What? Rolling Stone anti-military? I’m SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I tell you!

  • Armymom

    shit on the wall is more like it

  • stodghie

    i know armymom! thanks

  • Armymom

    Yes and  they were “heroes” to the left

  • stodghie

    no way! don’t make comments if you can’t prove it.

  • Noogan

    Hey, Armymom, don’t get your PANTIES IN A TWIST, biyatch.

    I’ll call him a damn good reporter, because that is, in fact, what he is. He got the inside scoop on Gen. McChrystal and his staff, and whether you like it or not, Gen. McChrystal–hero that he may be–is responsible for his own downfall.

    And, seriously, “fuck off,” yourself, bitch. 

  • BuzzLatte

    McChrystal was set up.

  • stodghie

    haha  writer! sure!

  • sowsear

    Maybe because he is rotten/rotting…

  • EllenD

    This was an EXAMPLE of innuendo and slanting, folks.
    I wasn’t implying anything between Larry and McChrystal ;)

  • stodghie

    excusing hack jobs! shame on you

  • EllenD

    You’re flagged Noogan.

  • Noogan

    Hahahaha, Stodgie, you’re a moron. But worse, you’re a fascist, in the worst sense of the word, since, to people like you, a “hack” is anyone who engages their First Amendment rights to point out unpalatable facts. 

    Go eat shit. McChrystal is man enough to take responsibility for his own actions, and he’s ethical enough not to try to lie about this article. 

    Gen McChrystal would sneer with contempt at you, you pitiful little weasel.

  • stodghie

    patience, that is a well written response to all this. i see some poster above desperately telling us what a great writer this guy is and all that. well a good writer tells the truth and doesn’t bend it or imply that which is not so.

    this is a hack job in rolling stone. pure and simple! what a shame that this writer who may have talent abused it. sad to say that is basically what we see in the media now selling out for an agenda.

  • sowsear

    And we have an armada heading towards the Mideast that no one is mentioning…

  • Noogan

    Groan. 

    Armymom, if you had two brains, you’d still be a half-wit. 

  • stodghie

    hmmm not to say that rolling stone has good articles from time to time. however this is a story on war and the anti war crowd of whom the writer may or may not be a member seemed to have influenced this article. so at times a publication may have a fine article and then turn around and show their true colors on another.

  • Noogan

    Oh, yeah, it’s all a plot, HC123! 

    bwahahaha. 

    Here’s the truth: Gen. McChrystal had such contempt for Obama he couldn’t help himself; he destroyed his career, and “compromised the mission.” Being the strong man he is, he admitted his fatal flaw, and took responsibility for his own actions.

    So, to see you weasels around here attacking everyone BUT McChrystal would only, in my estimation, cause McChrystal to sneer at you in complete contempt!

  • Noogan

    He isn’t “required” to be court-martialed, you moron, and I never said any such thing. The CinC has the option to fire a 4-Star. And, that’s precisely what happened.

    McChrystal took responsibility for his own actions, and didn’t try to blame a reporter for it. Why don’t you take a lesson from the good General, huh, biyatch?

  • stodghie

    ok noogan, you say that miklasewkski has a good reputation. so what has he written in an even handed manner since being on board with nbc? this corporate entity does not utilize independent talent or keep those on board who don’t toe the line.

  • Noogan

    You must be the dumbest person on the face of the earth Armymom. 

    Gen. McChrystal is a fucking 4-star General! You don’t get to that level without wading through and prevailing in, some SERIOUS politics. “Naive?” 

    SNORT. 

    He’s not “naive” in the least. HE_WAS_PISSED. He was SO pissed that he allowed his judgment to be clouded by his contempt and disgust for his CinC. He screwed up. He “COMPROMISED THE MISSION.” 

    Jesus, but you are a nutcase, aren’t you? You’re flappin’ your gums about a journalist who happened to have permission from McChrystal to tag along with him for WEEKS, and quote extensively ON THE RECORD!!!

  • Armymom

    Ewwwww, I’m scared of you widdle person……..Getting a little personal there aren’t you? Can’t debate facts so you have to go on a name calling binge? He betrayed trust, Fact. Now go and play, preferably on some busy highway……lol

  • stodghie

    beyond_words, you have a way with words! :*

  • Armymom

    Yet you can’t read!!! Whose the half-wit. Faced with facts, you fold and resort to name calling. How brilliant of you!

  • Noogan

    Armymom: Actually, from what I’ve read just today, you little TWIT, the troops on the ground are none too happy with McChrystal lately, so this reporter may be welcomed with open arms as an embed with some people. 

    Gen. McChrystal said he “COMPROMISED THE MISSION.” He took responsibility for his own actions. He’s a man of integrity. You, by contrast, are nothing but a stupid little twit. 
     
    Jesus, but you are a nutcase, aren’t you? You’re flappin’ your gums about a journalist who happened to have permission from McChrystal to tag along with him for WEEKS, and quote extensively ON THE RECORD. 

     
    At least Gen. McChrystal is a man of integrity who wouldn’t stoop to being such a small person that he would smear the reporter who quoted him! Too bad the same can’t be said for you, twit. 

  • Noogan

    Always with the stupid inanities, HC#&%. 

    Bwahahahahahaha….what a pathetic piece of shite you are. 

  • Armymom

    Contempt? Are you freaking clueless. McChrystal voted for the POS CIC.

  • Armymom

    Wrong again, clueless. McChrystal resigned, Obama accepted it. NOWHERE, NOWHERE did Obama fire him. So much for your intellect in the quote “And that’s precisely what happened”. Geeez 

  • Breeze

    -

    OH, WELL….

    IF I COULD, I WOULD TELL MCCHRISTAL WHAT I WOULD TELL ANY OTHER
    OBOT:

    “I TRIED TO TELL YOU….BUT YOU STILL VOTED FOR HIM!!”

  • Armymom

    You’re a petty little person aren’;t you? Didn’t get your latest swill of kool aid today?  And not all troops are unhappy with McChrystal, but carry on. You just can’t accept the fact that this was a set up and the reporter involved betrayed trust. Yet, judging by your character, I would have to say that you have no idea what the fuck trust is. I say you’re from the move on.org crowd, not worth wasting my fucking time with. Idiot.

  • Armymom

    Wow, menopause, or just plain a nasty piece of shit? I go with the latter.

  • Armymom

    You are a freaking lunatic. Seriously dude, get some help or some valium.

  • MacGruber
  • jbjd

    Noogan, when my son was little, he and I had the obligatory discussion about name calling.  I asked why anyone would call someone crazy.  Taking the question literally, as children are wont to do in general and, my autistic son chooses as a first resort, he proceeded to describe ‘a man talking to himself with dirty clothes…’  I assumed a philosophical demeanor. ‘Well,’ I pondered, ‘I always figure, if someone is really crazy then, s/he has a disease of the mind.  And it’s not that person’s fault.  So, why would I accuse the person of having a disease?  And what if the person is not really crazy?  Does this mean, it’s okay to put down people with brain diseases, as long as you use the term ‘crazy’ to apply to someone who isn’t?’  Consequently, my now nearly grown son, does not call people names.  

    You appear to have set your vindictive site on Armymom.  I could not care less why; I just want to make clear, I find your use of name-calling offensive.  (I am Jewish, but I consider your juxtaposition of the word “Jesus” with “nutcase” inapposite.)

  • jbjd

    bw, GEESH, you were going great ‘guns’ there until you denegrated BO by comparing him to a woman.  “Maybe McChrystal’s wife will send you a spare box of tampons, punk.”  Some of those women using tampons are also wearing uniforms, and fighting and dying for our country.  Absolutely nothing ‘punk’ about that.

  • Jesus H. Christ

    McChrystal has been a loose cannon since before he covered up Pat Tillman’s death.  He talks a great talk, but can’t walk the walk.  It’s not “cool” to act like an asshole in diplomatic circles–it just makes him look like the ignorant, Peter Principled jerk that he is. 

    I feel sorry for Annie–now she is stuck with him.  If I were her, I’d initiate divorce proceedings swiftly, and take HALF of everything.  He’s a crude, abusive, insensitive jerk.

    And never fear–half of that stuff that was attributed to a “military official?”  That came right out of McChrystal’s big fat smartass loud mouth.  The rest came out of his right hand man’s.  His staff should all be fired, and their records flagged to ensure they never promote.   They’re incompetent.  What I don’t understand is how he survived Tillman and the Iraqi prison scandals–the Senate should have crucified him on those two items at his hearing.  The man is a disgrace to the uniform.  You watch–he’ll probably write a self-serving book, full of anecdotes and hijinks about how he was always right and everyone else around him was wrong–a Poor Me Victim Eulogy.   He should have a little class but I’m guessing that’s not in his DNA.  Rick Shinseki, he ain’t. 

  • jbjd

    Who is HA? Anyway, s/he was going great ‘guns’ there until s/he denegrated BO by likening him to a woman.  “Maybe McChrystal’s wife will send you a spare box of tampons, punk.”  Some of those women using tampons are also wearing uniforms, and fighting and dying for our country.  Absolutely nothing ‘punk’ about that.

  • Objective Analysis

    Larry,

    Nobody who is an American and Patriot wants to be under an USURPER (ineligible POTUS). Period!

    Gen. McChrystal is glad he is away from this nonsense and as an American, more power to him.  Resign and get the hell away from this mess of an Administration. 

    No different than what Collin Powell did with President Bush.

  • Jesus H. Christ

    There is little to NO daylight between the Defense Department strategy of GW Bush and BH Obama.  They might as well be twins in that regard.   Who promoted McChrystal three times?  It wasn’t Santa Claus–it was George Bush.  Who was Bush’s last, and Obama’s first and so-far only, SECDEF?  Robert Gates.   Don’t be fooled by labels that say “Democrat” or “Republican”–or do, that’s your choice.  Both Bush and Obama are card-carrying members of the Corporate Party, and while factions dither over this one being a “good” one, and that one being a “bad” one, they’re robbing us all blind. 

    It’s pretty friken pathetic when the Supreme Court says that corporations have more rights than individuals in this country  Of course, they also said that Money is the EQUIVALENT of SPEECH–which means all you poor bastards are MUZZLED. 

    Enjoy the corporatocracy.  If it’s good for them,  and makes their CEOs rich, it’s gonna happen.   If it’s the right and decent thing to do, but there’s no money in it, it ain’t gonna happen–so much for What Would Jesus Do!   That’s the way our nation now works.   May the greediest bastard win…. 

  • bart

    “biyatch?”  Really?  You got nothing more grown-up than that?  And you should be ashamed.  But I’m sure you’re not.

  • bart

    Kind of death-by-cop?  

  • Jesus H. Christ

    That’s the outfit McChrystal derisively termed “In Sandals And Flipflops.”  He thought they were wussy and effete.  You’d think if the authorization and coordination  were coming from that quarter, he would have been smart enough to measure his words.  But no–he was “in the bubble” with a bunch of syncophants, and they kept telling him he was great, and the fool started to believe he was bulletproof.    That’s even more proof that McC is a nitwit.  Best firing to happen this year, bar none.   We don’t need these clowns who graduated right after Vietnam running things, they’re too full of the “If ‘I’ had been running things, we would WON Nam” attitude.   Hell, if you STAYED IN as a 72 grad, you stood a great chance of making 06, just because there were so few that did.  In short, the competition during that time frame was WEAK, at best. 

     We need forward thinking paradigm breakers, not neanderthal idiots whose testosterone is fluctuating as they age, and their emotions are running away with them. 

    As for ISAF, revenge is a dish best served cold.   I’ll bet Duncan Boothby is a hero at ISAF, and will have no problem finding work because he’ll get more glowing recommendations and referrals  than you can shake a stick at….

    Bottom line–McChrystal is NOT a “victim” here.  He’s a bigmouthed blowhard who has been believing his own press for way too long.   Hell, an E3 knows better.  The man isn’t just a fool, he’s a damned fool.  And that’s the name of that tune.

  • Sassy

    Robert Young Pelton, author, and retired General Tata both spoke highly of General McChrystal today on Fox.
    The disarray may not be in the ranks, but in the White House. It’s Bush’s fault surely!

  • Amy Siskind

    Larry – love your work.  Posted it on my FB page and elsewhere where discussions are happening.  Getting great feedback.  Keep up the great work!!!

  • EllenD

    More like death by Press.

  • EllenD

    you can talk to the press whenever you want but you are responsible for what they say you said.

    I like that honestlawyer. That should put the lid on attribution but there  still are anonymous sources.

  • FLDemFem

    Noogan, I flagged you for rudeness, Armymom has a child out there and she has every right to worry about the command structure that is sending her child into danger. If you can’t be civil in your arguments, shut the fuck up.

  • FLDemFem

    Stodghie, you don’t need to go to a Kool-Aid bar anymore, they are serving it in the streets now. See below. Hehe.

  • EllenD

    Oh Carol. All my fingers and toes are crossed for you. (Tough to write or walk tho).

  • EllenD

    You next, Annie?

  • EllenD

    Thanks, jbjd.
    I simply find Noogan mostly rude and offensive. His words are delivered as if he is shouting two inches from my face. When he was on the Turk/Israeli thread I found him amost unbearable.
    Armymom and Carol have been the recent objects of his venom. I would rather have 100 posts from either of them than one from Noogan.

  • getfitnow
  • Armymom

    Well I know quite a few E4′s and E5′s who’d disagree with you, but carry on your bashing. Seems what lefties are best doing

  • Annie/Carmel

    Yes, armymom.  I’d love to send the code pinkers over there to make nice with the Arabs. 

  • Mr. Natural

    Who thought of Matt Drudge as a “journalist” until he broke the Blue Dress bit?

  • Annie/Carmel

    Thanks for asking.  Hard to say here.  I put a piece of golf memorabilia on consignment during the US Open in a store where I had worked previously.  There was some mention that one of the owners is getting very tired and might cut back her hours working in the store, opening up at least a few days per week…I should hear in a couple of weeks.  This is  place that laid off 3 people when the owners staffed the store themselves. 

    Apparently there are also a number of jewelry store licenses for sale…these are usually highly sought after but now going begging.  Don’t mean to sound negative but I think high end sales have a long way to go.

  • Mr. Natural

    “Corporate society takes care of everything. And all it asks of anyone, all it’s ever asked of anyone ever, is not to interfere with management decisions.” Bartholomew, Rollerball, 1975

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes, hope you’re not out and about on the streets Noogan your better off under lock and key!

  • stodghie

    ;) they are so cute with their little black masks

  • TeakWoodKite

    I think what bothered BO the most was the line about 

    Obama was intimidated and unprepared. in there first meeting with BO.
    This was was a spot on observation by the general brass.

    No doubt all the brass saw BO and McPeek in 2008 and where “concerned”.

  • HC123

    Noogan you are a substandard human. Your brain simply doesn’t work properly and you are nasty. Friendly idiots are fine but you are the perfect confluence of idiot + asshole that makes the internet such a great place.

    Maybe you should go get a job in the Obama administration, you would fit perfectly.

    Now go play in traffic.

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  • morris1030

    I’m no supporter of Obama and he has not clarified or controlled whatever his “mission” is in Afghanistan.  But it is really hard to understand how a reasonably responsible General would allow Rolling Stone in his tent. The general should have paid attention to the trash talking of his men and he well knew they were all around the media enemy.

    The kind of story emanating from this kind of carelessness is not supportable. Even if the remarks reflect real feelings on the part of his staff, McChrystal knew Rolling Stone was around.

    The PR fallout has to be awful when Biden,Holbrooke,Eikenberry,et al were all trashed.  If the General didn’t know that this kind of media would have them for lunch, it shows either arrogance or naivete.

    With this kind of fallout it was right for him to go. No one elected him or any other General to make public political commentary.

    General George Marshall was one of the great Generals in WW11. When in FDR”s presence he never laughed at his jokes and proudly maintained his poker face.  He always remained outwardly and discreetly politically neutral and disciplined.

    Our Army should take notice that the Navy has far higher standards and regularly fires Admirals and other officers. Navy has more creative and younger group on the way up.  Firing  officers in the Armed Services is actually more customary than we know of.

  • morris1030

    Shinseki is a tremendously brilliant and capable military presence. I have heard him speak many times, and his diplomatic skills are apparent when being interviewed on TV. He’s sensitive to the political ramifications of shooting the mouth off and no one in his circle would even dream of trashing anyone let alone allies, ambassadors, envoys, vice presidents, etc.

    Whatever part of a mission he couldn’t go along with would be private, and his staff wouldn’t be allowed to behave like beer swilling rednecks.

    Some of their criticisms may be correct.  So what?  Military code forbids this.  We elect our CIC every 4 years. Our CIC whether we like him or not the CIC is totally in Command.   Press criticism and media muckracking is ok for civillians, but certainly not for the strict rules that prohibit [for good cause] this kind of jabbering. Our military does not run our country and this kind of incident is a disservice to those risking their lives as we speak.

    McChrystal seems to have had problems before this re: Tillman incident and others. And the PR he has out shows him as a hard wired man who is extreme and uber macho. One meal a day, regular 7 mile walks, super spartan style. And saying his men would die for him and he would likewise is another unfortunate expression that has nothing to do with a general’s job.

    Any officer commanding his men to fight in a mission realizes he may be sending some to their death. The only objective is to complete the military mission successfully nevertheless.

    No officer is supposed to die for their men. Generals are to lead their men and use all of their military acumen and skills to successfully complete their objectives.

    Patraeus understands all of this. Whatever disagreement  may occurr would be expressed appropriately.

  • morris1030

    Powell? He stood before the United Nations and did Bush/Cheney’s bidding and told a very tall story of WMDs, blah, blah which he has apologized for.

    Mc Chrystal> He’ll make a ton of money giving talks to Tea Party affairs, etc.  And the BOOK? Then he will become one of the TV talking heads of retired Generals on Fox or whatever. He’ll make tons of money.

    Powell at least was a competent and well liked General with a terrific track record. Helping Bush to push a lie was unfortunate. He’s done his mea culpa.

  • FembotsForObama

    Just one point.  I think the firing of McChrystal was a deliberate set-up and a calculated political move.  Obama promised to bring the troops home from Iraq this August.  This is not going to happen.  The MSM recently released a “surprise” finding of mineral resources of unimagined wealth, a finding that was over two years old.  Obama needs reasons to stay in Afghanistan that is politically palatable to the voting electorate this November, & most importantly a reason to get Dem party voters mobilized to get out to vote this fall.  Obama’s poll numbers are falling at such a rate that his disapproval rate exceeds his approval rate & Hillary is now seen as more ready to do the job of presidenting than Obama does.

    Creating a faux military crisis that simultaneously makes Obama look like a tough leader is just the fodder he needs to get those who voted for him back on his side.  He gets to rail against the military men and fulfill the dreams the Progbot base has about the virtuous Obama standing up for civilian control over the military.

    Score!  The Rolling Stone, which is not the NYT or WSJ or any other journal of esteemed import presumably does a “fluff piece” on how McChrystal and his staff operate.   The imagined bogeyman has just been realized.

    Is there really more that needs to be said?

  • FembotsForObama

    Let’s put this into some perspective… this “report” came out from Rolling Stone Magazine.  A magazine who had Hunter S. Thompson as its political journalist for YEARS.  [Nothing against the passed on HST, who I adored.]  But to say that RS has an anti-war/anti-military bent is an understatement.  

    So, I am in TOTAL agreement with Larry.  Something really really smells about this.  What was that O-quote “you can’t wrap a newspaper around a stinking fish w/lipstick w/o still smelling its stinky odor.”  

  • FembotsForObama

    Hey, yttik.  Haven’t seen you in awhile.   ;)   I had about the same thing happen but it was coffee sprayed on my computer screen.

  • FLDemFem

    I think Larry is right, this was a piece on counterinsurgency, Obama was tired of arguing with someone who actually knew what he was talking about, and sent a reporter to do a hatchet job on him, thereby giving Obama a good excuse for firing him. It would have looked bad for Obama if he had fired him for being right, now wouldn’t it? Turns out it looks just like he did. See pic below for a grin..and a sigh.

  • FembotsForObama

    Indeed!  I know more verifiable facts about McChyrstal from one article than I do about Obama in a whole season of reporting during the election!

    just saying

  • FLDemFem

    The Afghanis are not Arabs, they are Afghanis. Afghanistan has one thing in common with Viet Nam, other countries have attempted to conquer them for literally millenia, and have failed. They just keep fighting until they win. The English tried to conquer/subdue in the 19th century, the Russians in the 20th, and other bordering and travelling conquerors before that have all been defeated by the Afghanis. They just retreat to the Hindu Kush and fight on until the would-be conquerors give up, usually due to the high attrition in their troops and supply problems. The way to take out the Taliban is to remove their source of income, poppies. So why aren’t we spraying the poppies with a poison that kills them and then spraying a heavily salted water mix on the fields so they cannot be replanted again?? That would cut off all the drug income to the Taliban and make them dependent on outside help, which can be curtailed and cut off more easily.

  • Noogan

    Heil, Herr Obersturmbanfuhrer! 

  • Noogan

    :-D  I’m a veteran, between myself and my spouse we have nearly 30 years of combined service to country, retiring at 0-6. And, you’re a moron, truly the “little” person here. It’s proof postitve that you’re a moron when you accuse me of being part of MoveOn–bwahahaha. But, if I”m not worth ‘wasting your time on” then why do you keep responding with such pitiful attempts to defend your stupidity? 

    Michael Hastings tells Huffington Post in a phone interview from Afghanistan, where he is embedded with U.S. troops: “Over here, soldiers were happy that he got fired. I’ve had a number of people come up to me, I got an email from a Marine this morning [Thursday]: ‘Hey man, you did great work. All the guys in my company think it’s good McChrystal is not there because he was putting or lives at risk.”
    Hastings adds he was “very surprised” by the resignation, assuming that McChrystal was unfireable. Taking note of the general’s “tense relationship” with the president, Hastings says that Obama had to push out McChrystal to “prove that he was in control” and not a weak leader.
    Hastings also paints a grim picture of the major U.S. offensive in Kandahar. “I think it’s in trouble, in serious trouble,” he says. “The fighting is really, really heavy and they’ve postponed the heaviest fighting till the fall. But it’s going to be nasty.”

  • Noogan

    Fuck off. I’m a veteran who has family members in this effort as well. I’m flagging YOU. 

  • Noogan

    You’re a nutcase you supports the slaughter of innocent women and children. So, basically, you can stuff it where the sun don’t shine, Stoogie. 

  • Noogan

    Sorry, truthtellingoo7: That is how it works. I know; I’ve been a reporter, and that is PRECISELY how it works at that level. ‘Tis the fact that McChrystal was fact-checked and did not dispute the quotes. 

  • Noogan

    You sound like a pathetic paranoid, Stoogie. Do you honestly think that just because it comes from NBC, it’s not true? Miklasewski has been reporting solely from the Pentagon for over a decade, and his reports are credible, without partisan editorializing. Now, he’s certainly not an infallible journalist–none are–but to smear good journalists with the blanket indictment of an entire corporation is as paranoid and stupid as it gets. It’s like attributing “honest” journalism to Fox. Black/White thinking is a sign of immaturity, Stoogie, and you are clearly delayed developmentally. 

  • Noogan

    “Seriously, fuck off” said Armymom. 

  • Noogan

    “Seriously, fuck off.” said Armymom

  • Noogan

    “Seriously, fuck off.” said Armymom

  • Noogan

    Seriously, fuck off.” said Armymom

  • Noogan

    “Seriously, fuck off.” said Armymom

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