Palin’s Faith vs Barack’s

Amen.

The evangelical Christian community Palin represents may strike some as treacly, but it is genuine. It is color blind.

Yeah, I’m sure gay folks feel great about it. (Cue Donnie McClurkin comeback in 5..4..3..2..)

But we can leave that out, I guess – we’ll only mention what works in terms of quarterbacking this for the GOP.

I listened to an interview with Palin’s minister last week and was very impressed. Palin’s religious community is positive, inclusive, and loving.

By contrasts, Obama’s church which he attended for 20 years, is divisive, segregated, full of hate and condemns those that are different.

This is the difference between the McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden campaign. McCain/Palin are positive and uplifting, telling us the glass is half full. Obama/Biden are downers, telling us the glass is half empty.

For those who might have missed it, here’s a hysterical column from today’s Boston Herald on “Palin Derangement Syndrome”.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view.bg?&articleid=1118511&format=&page=2&listingType=col#articleFull

How do the gay guys who went to barkys church feel?

I’ll tell you. Cold.

I really don’t know where you are coming from but in our area, we gladly accept gays at our church. You do know that there are many gays who go to church, don’t you?

Actually, the community welcomes gays. When the minister was interviewed last week, he was asked to address the issue about gays. He said there were some in the community that showed lack of understanding about gays and they are being educated about homosexuality so they can speak from knowledge and not ignorance.

You may recall that Obama wouldn’t meet with the Mayor of San Francisco last year because the Mayor supports gay rights.

Additionally, Obama drew criticism for signing up a gospel singer with controversial views about gay men and lesbians for his campaign in South Carolina. The Obama campaign recruited Donnie McClurkin for a statewide tour in Charleston. McClurkin, a black preacher who sang at the Republican National Convention in 2004 gained notoriety for his view that homosexuality is a choice and can be “cured” through prayer, a view ridiculed by gay people.

I don’t understand why people find Palin’s beliefs “scary” but are happy to justify Bozo’s Black Liberation Hateful Religious beliefs, which are anti-Gay, anti-White and anti-American. It’s stupid, wrong headed and possibly dangerous.

I just read today that there are now 150 million evangelical Americans. That’s no minority.

Gov. Palin has been going to a non-denominational church since 2002, I think. I didn’t know what that meant exactly, so I looked on wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-denominational

There is no doubt that she likely goes to a “hopeful” type of church.

Obama’s church is a house of pain and anger.

So wonderful to see people of all colors and races singing as ONE; a FAR CONTRAST to the G’Damn America and racists rants of Rev Wright (Obama’s church of 20 years).

Larry, thanks for posting that video. I really enjoyed the song and watching the people and it really uplifted me. It was beautiful.

In contrast, I remember seeing BOTH Obama’s pastors preaching hate and screaming 4-letter words, obviously hopped up on some type of intoxicants. It gave me a sick feeling.

UPLIFTING (Palin’s church); vs. SICKENING (Obama’s church)

The ‘achilles heel’ of the left is the failure to understand the width and depth of people of faith in America.

Larry

I did not know about your early background. I was my high school chaplain. I was a member of the Hi-Y, Tri-Hi-Y. I attended, for my first two years, a Christian college. I too, have changed and do not go to church. Though I am not with them today, I not only respect, I honor those who have faith. Faith in God. Faith in family. Faith in country. Faith in ideals and ideas.

An office holder who is Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Muslim, Jew, or any belief is separated by our U.S. Constitution, from moving our government into their tent. I am comfortable with the promise that McCain and Palin have given that they will not impose their religion. Reagan did not do it. Clinton did not make us all go to Arkansas to his little odd church.

I understand trust. I know people who worry that if Obama is elected that he will invite J. Wright to the White House to lead us in accepting the belief, according to the Black Liberation Theology promoters, that whites deserve a reparation put down. But I am not sure that will happen.

I am just glad that nobody has blown up the people I love just because they disagree.

Tomorrow we celebrate my Mother-In-Law’s 80th birthday. She is a Republican. My wife, her daughter, is a staunch Democrat. I, the Independent, at the party will serve tea.

We have room for all of us. We just don’t have time for Obama to learn that lesson. The world moves too fast. He is like a slug on a dry rock, going nowhere in my opinion.

I am sure that Sarah will be discussing her faith when she interviews with Sean Hannity next week. I think it is on H&C Monday and Tuesday night. Funny, Sarah has been on the National for scene for what, 3 weeks, Bambam 19 months, and she is already on Hannity and all he can do is send in a surrogate to ‘clean his clock’. C’mon Bambam, want to impress? Take Sean on in person and then maybe people can actually believe you could take on Ahmadinahjad and Putin…(just sayin’)

If they start making fun of evangelical church services they will alienate many of the people the democratic party used to support. Additionally, I doubt if many in the MSM have been to a Full Gospel Baptist Church, but there is a lot of laying on of hands, speaking in tongues, spontaneous singing, etc. and many people (of many races) attend those churches and don’t like to be the butt of jokes. I have served for many years in the military and these types of churches are strewn across our country in most of the small towns where I have served. They are also the middle-class and working-class folks that are the strength of the center of the democratic party. Where have they all gone in this campaign? Or are they supposed to put up with being mocked for the greater good of Senator Obama’s ego?

I think McCain has made a mistake not responding to this computer ad already. This is what will happen now.

Obama must know by now whats up, considering its linked on drudge. So he will issue a statement tommorrow before McCain says anything, saying that after he found out about McCains injury that he decided to pull his ad, and he will apologize to McCain.

The media will spin it how Obama sacraficed his own political interests by taking the high road and pulling his sd and issuing a apology even though the McCain camp didnt ask him to,

Just watch

It’s all about trying to salvage the election for the Far Left. Nothing more.

I do not agree. We, the political watchers, make up about 1% of the voting public. McCain knows that. No matter what Obama says tomorrow, the timing of this is horrible for him. The storm in TX will dominate the news tomorrow and McCain will probably just put Obama down again after the storm.

Hmm as a Gay Man let me think…

On the one hand we have a church that is trying to teach members of its community to be more accepting and non judgemental….

On the other hand we have a church where several members of the choir who were gay and rumored to be involved in some way with the whole Barrack Obama / Larry Sinclair Gay sex and Drugs scandal show up shot dead execution style!!!

OMG Decisions decisions……gosh…i dont know i am going to have to think a long long time about this…hmmm

A little push back or a little bullet in the head…gosh Decisions are HARD!

Can i vote present?

I still cannot believe Obama attended that God Damn America church in inner city Chicago.

I absolutely believe in the separation of Church and State. One person’s religion is another person’s delusional disorder. I was determined to vote Republican this time out in efforts to regain a true democratic party, but Palin’s extremist postions on rvw are too much for me to tolerate. -Forcing pregant women who are victims of incest, rape or carrying genetically damaged unborn children to term because it is the will of the Christian male God.

The solution to the destruction of the social infrastructure. You got it…permanent tax cuts for those who gave us Fanny Mae, failed banks, credit cards with interests rates of 38%, student loans that indenture our youth for life. Oh and while we are at it let’s give 100,000 immigration visa’s to the affluent young people of other countries. Borders who needs them? Public education? Who needs that; let every family take responsibility for their own children. Oh and virtual debtor’s prison. There is room for every single American in there who wasn’t born with a trust fund, or isn’t a member of the affirmative action underclass elite.

And The Light Worker, the precious one, the empty suit. Not worth a sane consideration.

Signing out and giving up any hope for sanity in the US. We are surely following in the footsteps of the former USSR.

Yeah! They’re DEAD! LOL And how about that meet with the gay mayor of San Francisco? When Obama took the photographers aside and told them NO PHOTOS OF ME WITH THAT ‘MAN’.

How’s that, boy?

Barack Obama: The 2004 “God Factor” Interview by Chicago-Sun Time religion columnist Cathleen Falsani.

GG:Who’s Jesus to you?

(He laughs nervously)

OBAMA:Right.
Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he’s also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher.

And he’s also a wonderful teacher. I think it’s important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history.

I thought, as a Christian, he would believe that Jesus is ithe son of God.

Its not easy getting street cred when you spent your formative years with your hommies in a maddressah. I mean Indonesian school that happened to teach islamic studies and that you were registered at as a muslim and as Barry Soetoro.

Give the brother a break!

After all Name one other person who could be 3 years old and living in indonesia yet at the very same time be just a glimmer in his parents eyes as they marched on Selma Alabama and met to do the humpty dumpty unity dance of love that got him born after he was already walking and potty trained.

Now if that doesn’t prove that he is otherworldly i don’t know what does.

By the way, did i mention his uncle liberated Auschwitz and He was going to join the Military too but they ran out of wars?

but generally I think it will backfire.

I totally agree. Obama’s church is/was hateful. Palin’s was full a genuine desire for spiritual connection.

And most people don’t even know about Obama’s close relationship with a Rev. Meeks.

By Duane Wells | Article Date: 4/01/2008 7:20 AM
Just as the dust surrounding Sen. Barack Obama’s long-term association with controversial minister Rev. Jeremiah Wright has begun to settle comes new reports of the democratic presidential hopeful’s connection to another racially divisive public figure—the stridently homophobic Rev. James T. Meeks, an Illinois state senator who also serves as the pastor of Chicago’s 22,000 member strong Salem Baptist Church.

Described in a 2004 Chicago Sun Times article as someone Barack Obama regularly seeks out for “spiritual counsel”, James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner.

When Obama ran for the U.S. Senate in 2003, he frequently campaigned at Salem Baptist Church while Rev. Meeks appeared in television ads supporting the Illinois senator’s campaign. Later, according to the same Chicago Sun Times article, on the night after he won the Democratic primary, Sen. Obama attended bible study at Meeks’ church ‘for prayer’ and ‘to say thank you.’

Since that time, not only has Meeks himself served on Obama’s exploratory committee for the presidency and been listed on the Obama’s campaign website as one of the senator’s ‘influential black supporters’, but his church choir was called on to raise their voices in praise at a rally the night Obama announced his run for the White House back in 2007.

Interestingly, the Chicago Sun Times has also reported that both Meeks and Obama share a history of substantial campaign contributions from indicted real estate magnate Tony Rezko.

http://www.gaywired.com/article.cfm?section=66&id=18614

Amen.

JM:

The ad is surely coming. McCain’s video team is top notch and will pounce.

No, you are thinking of Barrack the Other Messiah.

According to Audacity of Hype, the Jesus that Barrack was referring to was the son of Joseph and Mary.

-Forcing pregant women who are victims of incest, rape

You are wrong on that and it has been debunked. Try another venue oar try the truth.

More on Barack’s good friend and spiritual advisor Rev. Meeks:

Barack Obama’s buddy and spiritual adviser, James Meeks, runs Halloween Fright House depicting gays in Hell
by Radio Left on Mon 31 Mar 2008 10:03 PM CDT

A fenced-in cell (in Hell) housed a few denizens of “hell,” including a pedophile trolling the Internet for a young victim, a meditating Buddhist, and two mincing young men wearing body glitter who were supposed to be homosexuals.

Meeks sends kids to ‘hell’
Christian fright house depicts abortion, gays
October 31, 2006

BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter
This Halloween, Chicago’s Salem Baptist Church wants teenagers to go straight to “hell.” Admission is $7 and passengers arrive at its gates on a yellow school bus.

Salem’s “Nights of Terror” promises to “scare the hell out of teens” by guiding them on a half-hour tour through Hades — or at least what passed for it in the don’t-call-it-a-haunted-house set up in the church’s administrative offices at 109th and Cottage Grove.

So-called hell houses have become popular over the last decade among some evangelical Christian churches that want to provide an alternative to traditional Halloween celebrations.

“YOU HAVE DIED AND GONE STRAIGHT TO HELL!” a tall man wearing a long, black, hooded cloak bellowed over a bullhorn Sunday night as the first busload of about 30 teens and a handful of parents were herded through dark corridors lined in black plastic.

The group moved from room to room, witnessing scenes depicting what the church says are the consequences of “bad decisions involving violence, sex and drugs.”

In one scene, a girl was lying on a gurney where a masked man in surgical scrubs pretended to perform an abortion. A toilet was sitting nearby apparently to collect the aborted fetus.

‘I thought it was very scary’
A fenced-in cell housed a few denizens of “hell,” including a pedophile trolling the Internet for a young victim, a meditating Buddhist, and two mincing young men wearing body glitter who were supposed to be homosexuals.

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2008/3/31/3613869.html

Gavin Newsom isn’t gay, (as far as I know!) he just supports gay marriage. Apparently even that was too close for Obama.

Obama is Bi

His internals tell him that is a bad thing.

Gay people in his life die, in Chicago style numbers.

Any questions?

Some of those gay suicides remind me of the El Rukin gang leader in 1986 who committed suicide by shooting himself in the head six times.

Barack Obama: The 2004 “God Factor” Interview by Chicago-Sun Time religion columnist Cathleen Falsani.

GG:Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?

OBAMA:Well, my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.

GG:Those two will keep you on your toes.

OBAMA:And theyr’e good friends. Because both of them are in the public eye, there are ways we can all reflect on what’s happening to each of us in ways that are useful.

There must be a 527 out there that will take on the response to this ad for McCain.

It’s difficult to believe you were going to vote for McCain.

But you would be interested in the following, if you are so concerned about America.

Chavez invited Russian strategic bombers to Venezuela this week. Chavez is now throwing out U.S. ambassadors and stating diplomatic relations will resume when America gets leadership he likes. Chavez has endorsed Obama. If anyone remembers the Cold War, well, it’s coming back thanks to Putin. Putin, former head of the KGB, will not respect anyone that is soft. Many may recall that Obama did not initially condemn Russian alone when it invaded Georgia. Putin and Chavez will run all over Obama (and America).

Chavez is also threatening to cut off oil exports to the U.S. until a new President is in office. The U.S. is the biggest buyer of Venezuelan oil, which accounts for 90% of the South American country’s exports.

Some other connections between Obama and Chavez include:

Don’t forget the computers captured earlier this year by Colombian soldiers which contained information that Chavez expects to see more help if Obama is elected President become Obama is most aligned with the Colombian Marxist group, Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia, or FARC.

You may recall that in April 2008, Obama supporter Bill Richardson visited with Chavez.

Remember the Che Guevara flag flying in Obama’s campaign office in Texas? Well, Chavez’s government intalled an 8-foot glass tall plate bearing Guevara’s image in Caracas last year. Chavez has stated that Guevara is a model socialist for all Venezuelans and named a state-funded adult education program “Mission Che Guevara.” Murals of Guevara are common in Venezuela. Obama and Chavez admire the radical Guevara.

I marched with Obama in chicago’s gay pride parade several years ago. I know for a fact that Rev Wright’s church has continually done outreach to the gay community. Obama’s top assistant while he was running for IL senator and while serving as senator is gay (a friend of my co-worker). His words to Newsom were unfortunate, but evidently he felt he would send the wrong message to conservatives – not a wise choice, I agree.

Furthermore, Palin’s pastor was talking about educating other church members about homosexuality and what it means – certainly noble of him. At the same time, however, his church is holding a seminar on how a a gay person can become straight by believing in Jesus or something – James Dobson is the sponsor of this program. So please…stop defending Palin or her church and their views.

Does anybody here have this sneaking suspicion that I do – that Hussein and the Dems will start blaming the “Ike spike” in gas prices on McCain? If gas prices stay elevated over $5, I hope this does not adversely affect McCain’s chances. Something tells me this might be his death knell. I hope to God I am wrong, but I cannot help but wonder.

Outreach to the tune of a thousand bucks, if you know who killed Donald Young and two other gays.

Palin’s church posted an announcement in its bulletin about the seminar IN ANCHORAGE sponsored by Focus on the Family. Palin’s church was not sponsoring the event.

Ghandi said that the people in America who acted least line Christ were the Christains. He must have been talking about TUCC and its brethren.

Sure, Jeremiah, vote for Nader!

You know something weird? I filled my tank today for $3.59 a gallon in Las Vegas. The price hasn’t moved for a week. I’d guess the “Ike spike” may be a regional thing?

Palin did push a pro drilling agenda hard tonight. Might actually help McCain if he can paint DEms as putting poison bills in their legislative proposal to make it an issue in the election

YEs, its big in 8 southern states, including Georgia where i am.

Governor issued an emergency decree checking wholesale gasoline price speculation….all gas stations in metro atlanta mobbed

Oh, and since McCain and Palin support getting American oil from places not susceptible to hurricanes and Obama does not…pretty hard to see how anybody would blame regional price spikes in gas prices on the GOP ticket.

CO, WY, and UT don’t have too many hurricanes. It’s time to go after that oil shale.

Larry,

I began reading your blog sometime in June, after first hearing about the PUMA group and having recognized your name from some of the reports on the CIA etc. regarding Bush policies. As an ardent believer in the OIF and the strategic reasons for going there, I expected ot be quickly put off by your blog. Let me also add that I staunchly opposed Hillary’s candidacy, fearing her to be far more liberal than the ever pragmatic Bill.

I must admit to being wrong about two things. First, over the course of her campaign, I actually came to admire and respect Hillary and see her as far more centrist than Obama. Secondly, I quickly came to appreciate the honesty and forthrightness exhibited by writers on this blog. I am actually an Independent voter, having never registered with either party. Having grown up in the South, I voted Democrat for local elections when I began voting in the 70′s, but gradually moved all my voting to the Republican party as the Democratic party became more liberal (Zell Miller being the last Dem I voted for; prior to that I proudly voted for Sam Nunn & when a resident of Mississippi (My native state) for Stennis, Eastland and Jamie Whitten.

Point being that I was going to begrudgingly vote for McCain, but was not excited about it, and was going to be even less excited about it if he picked Pawlenty or Romney or Ridge or Lieberman as a running mate. Needless to say, I was ECSTACTIC about Palin, having previously read up on her.

Anyway, I am now a regular visitor and am pleased to participate in a blog that seems to be much less partisan than others, but does seem to remain consistent with the theme of the recent Republican convention – Country First! While I understand that many of the bloggers and patrons here were Hillary supporters, its nice to see that most display grace and acceptance regarding her loss. More refresing, even, has been the embrace by many of same of Sarah Palin, who credited Hillary for her role in breaking throught the glass ceiling while also standing tall and proud as a traditional woman who has accomplished much and wants to accomplish more. I hope this blog maintains its nonpartisan tone and continues to support what’s best for America (which definitely aint Barack Obama)! Thanks for your efforts, Larry, and I have enjoyed getting to know you a little bit.

Thanks,
Jim

Sorry – Christians

They’re not Christians. They’re like Scientologists who believe God only exists when he’s helping blacks. There is no crucifixion, no Trinity (though they use the name) no real Christ. A Messiah comes along every once in a while who will be black and do work for their community. Right now that Messiah is Barack Obama. According to BLT, he is Jesus Christ.

Ya know, I don’t see a temporary gas price spike putting GA in the Obama column. Call me crazy .

Please watch this video

The best ad of the year is this honest reaction from an Iraq War Veteran who doesn’t like
his service or the sacrifice of his friends lives being called a mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

This is rich. I cannot believe you are showing this ridiculous ‘show’ as being a coming together of people. I work for an organization that sells product to churches, amost 99% of them evangelical. We attend trade shows and conferences every month as well as visit these places for demonstrations of our product. These ‘Christians’ are the most intolerant and ‘un-Christian’ of any religious group alive. If you don’t believe in Jesus you may as well check-out of the human race, because you are not considered a person if you are not one of them.
This stupid video is a huge gathering of believers who drink Jesus kool-aid before going into a trance only to serve their savior. Trust me, if any of our customers knew that several employees of our company were gay they would not only stop doing business with us, they would spread the word throughout the industry and our empoloyer would be finished. It has happened to a small degree but we squashed it somehow.
There is no tolerance to anyone who is not a believer or who does not believe in what the evangelicals believe. Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists are considered beneath human to these people, unless they can get them in their fold – and that is a fact.
And besides, this is hardly sarah palin’s church….people of color in Alaska?? not too many.

i have no doubt mccain should win but i am extremely worried about obama’s thuggish ground game and voter fraud. we have to take measures now before its too late like in the primaries. hopefully repubicans are much smarter

Larry, thank you for posting this. How beautiful to see people truly worshipping their God and not doing so for political purposes. You have my utmost respect.

McCain advocated a tax holiday on gas to give some relief. Palin actually implemented that policy. Obama opposes the idea. Now who is going to be helped by an Ike spike in gas prices? The events along the gulf coast only show how vulnerable we are because our domestic resources are so thin—which proves Palin’s point about drilling in Alaska and bringing its vast resources on line for all Americans. Alaska is not in hurricane danger.

I have the same problems with churches that hate America and churches that see war as a task from God and think the end of the world is imminent.

On Senator Obama’s side, I haven’t heard him repeat Reverand Wright’s controversial statements and I have yet to hear Senator Obama state that America’s heart has to be right with God to get anything done or anything about God’s will. Unfortunately for Governor Palin, I have heard her say Iraq is a task from God, Alaskans’ hearts have to be right with God or God’s will won’t get that natural gas pipeline built. I find such statements as alarming as Reverand Wright’s sermons. And no, I don’t buy the Governor’s President Lincoln explanation. Nice explanation, but that isn’t what she said in front of the Assembly of God youth group.

I think the only reason she left the Assembly of God church is because she decided it could hinder her political career. If she really thought they’d gotten too weird, she wouldn’t have been there this past June speaking to the youth group about war being a task from God and God’s will and Alaskans’ hearts right with God are needed to get the pipeline built. Since she wasn’t running for re-election this year, she doesn’t even have that excuse for her appearance.

Fortunately for Senator McCain, he’s at the head of the ticket. Otherwise, I’d be looking at a third party, abstaining or writing in Senator Clinton’s name.

As for Senator Obama, I don’t for a second think he was at the Trinity Church because of spiritual reasons or a strong belief in the teachings of the church. The church was useful for climbing the Chicago political ladder. In some ways, I almost believe he never did hear a sermon, he was probably too busy taking note of who was in church that day that he needed an introduction to or needed to do charm.

I am in Dallas with alot of LA and Gulf Coast residents coming to town and its $3.59 a gallon here, up ten cents since yesterday but still cheaper than 10 days ago.

I think the reparations stuff is baloney, but I still don’t like the idea of the Obamas and Jeremiah Wright in the White House. Many Americans were offended by the Clintons, who they saw as amoral heathens. These statements like GODDAMN AMERIKKA and “riding her dirty” and “never been proud” do not represent the US of A. They are divisive, wrong and hateful.

“Unfortunately for Governor Palin, I have heard her say Iraq is a task from God, Alaskans’ hearts have to be right with God or God’s will won’t get that natural gas pipeline built.” Monet, please go back and reread what she’s said. You “may” be falling for the media bias against her. JMO

Palin is not “forcing” her beliefs on anyone. In any event, she does not have the power to overturn R v W if that’s what you’re worried about. Better take a close, close look at Mr. Obama and his voting record before you make the final decision, and it wouldn’t be a bad idea to take a real close look at his long-time associations and mentors.

She believes all life is sacred and the child does not bear the sins of the parent. That is her personal view, not anything she has tried to force on others.

Thank you so much Larry for having the courage to present this video.Like Jesus said if you are not ashamed of me here on earth then I shall not be ashamed of you before my father.Bravo for telling the truth!It has been just infuriating me the way the media and the left have gone after Palin’s religion like it is something evil or something. Your post was wonderful and I personally really appreciated it.Palin’s faith and relationship with God is to be admired and as the Lord says ye shall know them by their fruits.She is a testement and a witness for what is good.She did not come out wearing her faith on her sleeve.The media and the Obama Campaign are just trying to use it.But the dummies dont realize it just makes them look all worse for attacking a good person.Especially when he defended Godam America almost makes Obama look evil to me.
God Bless you for standing up for what is right Larry.

Gibson absolutely misquoted her on the AOG speech. She said Let us pray this war is a task from God. That is not at all saying Iraq is God’s will. She quoted Lincoln’s famous statement about let us not pray for god to be on our side, let us pray that we are on God’s side. She left the AOG church in 2002. She began her church years as a catholic and when she and her family came to AK she followed her family in attending the AOG church until 2002. I have no idea why they left the catholic church and became AOG members. In an interview with the AOG pastor he stated that Palin left his church because of the church schedule and because the church she transferred to had a bigger church program for children. He seemed to have no animosity toward her.

Talk about a frightening situation! Drill, drill, drill. Chavez is blackmailing us with the threat of no oil. We figured it would come to that.

There are many Native Americans and Eskimos living in Alaska. They are the first inhabitants of Alaska. Where have you been?

I don’t understand why we’re so-o-o afraid of religious faith. People believe what they believe.

I see no evidence where Sarah Palin tried to impose her religious beliefs on the citizens of Alaska, either as mayor or Governor. She asked a “what if” question of the librarian in Wasilla [a woman who supported the opposition]. No books were banned.

She vetoed a bill that would have banned giving benefits to gay couples. She doesn’t favor gay marriage. But then, neither does Obama. Neither did John Kerry.

She has never pressed a school board to include creationism into the curriculum. Her children have all attended public school [unlike Obama's daughters]. She’s against abortion unless the mother’s life is at stake and she talked the talk and walked the walk when she delivered a Down’s Syndrome baby in April. That’s her right. That’s her choice.

She does in fact support contraception.

I don’t agree with all her personal beliefs. I believe in choice but with responsibility. Abortion on demand is not something I agree with unless termination is within the first trimester. And the bill Obama signed that denied even pallitive care for live-birth, botched abortions? That was utterly disgraceful and inhumane. He can wiggle-waggle all he wants, but that decision was disgusting and opportunistic. If women lose the right to choose in any trimester it will because of decisions like that. Freedom does not equal license. Never has, never will.

Palin has the right to choose her own course; she has a right to her own religious beliefs in the same way my family had. My grandmother had pictures of JFK, the Pope and the Bleeding Heart of Jesus on her dining room wall.

That was her right. She never tried to stuff it down my throat. And I see no evidence where Sarah Palin has tried to do anything but be a decent person, mother and wife; a woman of faith; and a humble, public servant.

Personally, I have respect for that. And the more the Dems tear into her, the more angry and convinced I am that the Democratic party is totally twisted.

McCain/Palin ’08

I hope Hillary runs in 2012. I like Sarah Palin, but I still really like Hillary. It remains to be seen. This is a step in the right direction, having a woman in the White House, even as VP. And I admire John McCain.

Im just saying it sucks for me.

I think it helps McCain honestly if he can keep energy drilling debate going.

“Charlie Gibson’s Gaffe”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

(There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine.)

At least you have this forum to vent out your taught.
May you have peace.

Charlie Gibson also said that Sarah Palin outright called Hillary a “whiner,”…but that is NOT the context in which Palin spoke of Hillary, there is more to it. She was mainly talking about perceptions.

I hope you mean bipartisan bloggers, not bipartisan blogging. LOL. Because we seem to be primarily anti-Obama bloggers, and yes it’s because we believe that he is definitely not best for the country. While not always bipartisan, most of us try to be gracious. Welsome.

This column is so funny and I particularly love this quote from Biden. Makes ya wonder how we Democrats ended up with these two losers and I guess Joe Biden is wonder too.

Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend; she is qualified to be president of the United States of America. She’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and, quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate.

I wonder what ELSE Charlie Gibson was wrong about??

I remember the same thing happening after Katrina…and the GA gov having to crack down on ATL gas stations for price gouging.

Greedy fellows own those gas stations in ATL or what?

If you visit Clintons4McCain (you will have to register), Christi has a whole section devoted to voter fraud and there is a call for action. She tells you how you can take action, and this is crucial to taking our country back from those who would violate the laws governing our elections. Pleas check it out. http://www.clintons4mccain.com

i said present not pissant

I saw the same interview with Palin’s current pastor. Also thought it was interesting that when Palin was younger, her family attended a more hard-core evangelical church … and than when she grew up and left home she & her husband switched to a more inclusive community church.

Her current pastor made it clear that he didn’t condone hateful, disrespectful action or words against gays in their church & community. He seemed like a soft-spoken, humble, unpretentious man.

Truth is that its still pretty much open-season on gays and lesbians in this country. But I prefer Palin’s pastors words over those of Rev Meeks (Obama’s mentor and spiritual advisor).

And you’re right Larry. Obama’s followers and the Democratic far-left best get a clue about how to interact with and treat believers and evangelicals … because much of the Dem base that is conservative religiously/socially have gone back to church and the Dems who scoff at them and mock them are pushing them further into the Republican column. And, unfortunately those kind of remarks about clinging to God & guns is just branding all Dems as secular and nonbelievers … even though many of us who are Dems are a balance.

I too was raised in a fundamentalist home, and used to do inner city outreach in the gang section of Phoenix and then eventually embraced a more moderate belief. However, I still consider myself to be a devout believer and really endeavor to live what I believe. And sometimes when I hear the comments of some of the Democratic leadership and activists in the Party making light of those who have spiritual beliefs and practices… I feel like I’m being pushed-out and dissed by my own Party.

I am very socially liberal. And I disagree with Palin on a number of issues. But I’d rather trust someone who had sat in a church like hers for 20 years … than to trust someone who had listened to the hate filled slurs of Rev. GD America for 20 years.

Source please, because I watched the video and I did not hear her say that. Please back up with a source.

off to bed. good night everybody!

Sorry, Phoebe, I was responding to Monet.

I just hope that people will take time look into Sen. Obama’s record as they are looking into Gov. Palin’s record.

Gail,
Stop justifying Obama’s homophobic behavior and history and then condemning a religious community you know nothing about.

But if you support Obama, you support a community of bigotry and hate, so your posting and hypocrisy is not surprising.

Rev. Meeks is one of Obama spiritual advisers and he hates gays. Need I say more?

Bet this group is proud of their country

Obama’s buddy Rev. Meeks think gays are okay right? I don’t think so.

Bullshit. Palin’s church held no such seminar. The seminar was a Dobson seminar in Anchorage, and the pastor put a small blurb for it amongst all the other “christian cativities in the area” blurbs in the church bulletin.

That is all. No seminar in Palin’s church.

Here in North Carolina, we are getting hit hard. Gas was $3.59 on Thursday, $4.09 Friday, and who the hell knows on Saturday. Maybe it is just a southeast thing though.

That is nice.

Isn’t that what change is all about. If you’re wrong and found out that you were wrong and be true to yourself and say it.

Welcome back.

Let put our country first.

wow, what a great video.

Ahh, the stark difference in the interpretation of the words of the Bible. Beauty truly is in the eyes of the beholder, isn’t it?

I much prefer the hopeful version that was instrumental in leading me out of the “victim” mentality and into the “overcomers” mentality. THAT’S the power of the message of the cross.

I don’t disagree with you. TUCC and its brethren are the 10% that give the other 90% a bad reputation (10%/90% meant figuratively, not literally).

Please try and read the whole story.

If you can not find the truth nobody will give it to you.

You know you will always see what you are looking for.

If you take time and read the whole story you will know where she stood. Do not follow blindly.

As long as she does not force her beliefs on others, her beliefs are not a problem. Trolls think that we do not understand this.

This is true. In fact, The Bush Doctrine encompasses more than a half-dozen Bush policies and one of thems is EXACTLY what Sarah said: That we have the right to pursue terrorists in countries that harbor them.

Palin never said that the war was a task from god. She said to pray that it was a task from god.

Those are two very different statements. It is quite common in very mainstream Christian churches to pray that whatever direction our leaders are taking, whatever their motives, God is behind the scenes, accomplishing his overall plan, whether they know it or not.

Jim,
I am a fellow AA Mississippian. This is a little off the subject but I agree with you on the voting for Miller, Nunn, Stennis (last term only) and Whitten. I disagree strongly on Eastland. To his dying day he was one of the worst racist this country has ever seen. I hold him and other southern democrats for the welfare mess we have today. President Johnson wanted to put into law a bill called Aid To Families With Dependent Children AFDC. During those times a family meant a mother, father, and children. The aid or help was to be temporary to address the change in mechanized cotton farming that was throwing a lot of people, black and white out of work and causing hard ships for families. I will never forget that Stennis, Eastland, and other southern democrats who were powerful committee chairmen and in many cases cotton farmers said no to any bill that would help by giving food, etc to families as long as there was an able-bodied man in the house. Due to the vast need for help the congress finally passed a bill allowing help for women and children if there was no male in the house resulting in the welfare mess we have today. The short sightedness, greed and spite of these men messed up the whole country. In many instances, fathers left families so that the women and children could eat. After about 10 years, young girls began to disobey there mothers and become unwed mothers because they wanted to be independent. It was the worst change in social policy ever imagined. Johnson got the blame but the blame realy laid with these southerners. The 60s welfare policy and stopping the draft are the main reasons that the country is in the bad shape it is in today.

Is there anything that Gibson is not wrong about?

The basic problem with ANWR drilling is that evidence indicates full-scale extraction of all recoverable oil and gas there would satisfy no more than 1.2% of the global demand by 2030. If we started development tomorrow, production during the next 10 years would be even less significant. We use so much of the total annual global production that the effect of ANWR on our own costs and supplies would be negligible.

The main beneficiary of ANWR drilling would be Big Oil. The high estimate of oil and gas reserves there are 16 billion barrels. While that would do very little to satisfy national oil needs, it would generate enormous oil company profits. Another disproportionate beneficiary would be the treasury of Alaska. So, there’s Governor Palin’s special interest angle. You can easily figure out McCain’s angle also: Big Oil was one of his biggest sources of campaign funds this election.

Considering expert opinion that expanded offshore drilling drilling in general won’t produce significant supply increases for 10 years, I’ve got to consider the whole issue a distraction from the real solution: Alternative energy technology. In a mere 10 years, we could free ourselves of our primary dependency on oil and coal, replacing them with cheap, clean, inexhaustable solar and wind power. Here’s an interesting fact:

“The amount of solar energy reaching the surface of the planet is so vast that in one year it is about twice as much as will ever be obtained from all of the Earth’s non-renewable resources of coal, oil, natural gas, and mined uranium combined.”

We have the technology needed to capture the tiny fraction of that needed to provide for our future energy needs. The missing piece of the puzzle–how to cheaply store solar or wind-generated electricity for use through the night–appears to have been found only a month ago at the Massachusettes Institute of Technology.

Whoever is elected, it’s of paramount importance that they approach the transition to alternative energy with the same level of resources and commitment that we gave to the Apollo Program. If we do, we could transform our increasingly dismal national prospects into the beginnings of an American Renaissance.

For me, this is the single most important issue of the 2008 presidential election. It’s the one permanent solution to a multitude of problems.

Here is some community organizing I like. This link is to the first 10 min of the film,,, i’ts very good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA

Critics slam screening of Muslim documentary today
BY NIRAJ WARIKOO • FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER • September 11, 2008

Claiming Dearborn is a center of radical Islam, organizers of a controversial film on Muslims are offering a free screening of their documentary in the city today.

Local religious leaders said the timing — on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks — and locating it in Dearborn are part of a divisive publicity stunt.

Called “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West,” the documentary focuses on Islamic extremism, but critics say it’s biased. The film’s producers and backers said through a spokesman they chose Dearborn and the Sept. 11 date for the screening because of its sizable Muslim population.

“There is a problem with an acceptance of radical Islam in Dearborn more so than anywhere else than I know of,” said Joe Wierzbicki, a spokesman for a California-based public relations company hired to promote the film.

But some Dearborn residents and religious leaders say the film’s backers are unfairly slandering the city and Muslims by screening it there on Sept. 11. They urge residents to ignore it.

“It’s a clear agenda to spread hate,” said Victor Begg, a Muslim activist who chairs the Council of Islamic Organizations of Michigan.

Brenda Rosenberg, a Jewish activist from Bloomfield Hills active in interfaith work with Christians and Muslims, also criticized the film and screening.

“We’re feeding the fire by focusing on hate,” she said. “We need to come together instead.”

The screening is set for 6 p.m. at the AMC Star Fairlane 21 in Dearborn. A theater spokesperson did not respond to a call seeking comment.

Contact NIRAJ WARIKOO at 248-351-2998 or warikoo@freepress.com.

Maybe you should quit your job. Sounds like anyone who calls customer service is going to get attitude.

My mom used to take us kids with her to the same denomination of Church that Sarah Palin spent the majority of her up bringing in and that’s the Assemblies of God Pentecostal.

You have to see it too believe it. When theses people get the “Holy Spirit” and start “Speaking in Tongues” then they flop around on the floor like fish out of water! When I was a kid this use to freak me the hell out! and my mom would have to take me out of the room to calm me down.

I want someone to ask Sarah if she was ever overcome by the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. I’m sorry but my personal opinon is that these Pentecostal’s are nutcases.

LOL.

Sarah Palin was right to assert that oil is a big part of our national security.

Who says “Obama wouldn’t meet with the Mayor of San Francisco last year because the Mayor supports gay rights”? Besides anti-Obama people, I mean?

Palin’s minister thinks gay people can be “fixed” by way of prayer. That’s their position of openness and acceptance.

You’re not really accepting and respecting someone who is different from yourself when you think that they somehow need “fixing” or “forgiving”.

That’s OK, CountryFirst. I am still trying to work my way around this forum-type (?) too. (Please excuse the grammar)

Suicide or “suicide”? How do you shoot yourself in the head six times?

Pentecostalism must be stopped!!!!! Do you realize what might happen if one of them is given power? They might take the 10 commandments seriously!!!

That will make everyone else look bad!!

Instead bring on the guy who spent high school and college years in a drugged trance.

I’m sure he has no mental problems

I agree with you on all points, but I still think the domestic drilling moratorium should be lifted. I am opposed to drilling in ANWR, and so is McCain. I don’t think he’ll budge on that issue. McCain offered a large cash prize to anyone who can come up with a viable alternative energy solution that can be easily implemented, and he has always been rather forward-thinking concerning the environment and energy. It’s worth it to visit his website.

When I was a kid there was a small Pentecostal church a block from my great-aunt’s house. I remember crouching outside an open window one hot summer night with my second cousins, listening to what seems like very strange goings-on inside. But who am I to judge?

The biblical literalism does worry me, however. If you’re a true bible-believing fundamentalist, I don’t see how it’s possible to separate non-mainstream religious doctrine from public policy doctrine. True believers generally don’t compartmentalize the specifics of their faith from the rest of their thinking. They can’t, and still remain true to their beliefs.

Therein lies a problem.

Are you so judgmental about blacks and Hispanics who practice Sancteria or voodoo?

dr zarkov, an innocent question if I may? I’ve read comments like yours many times and wonder what the deep seated roots of your fears are?

“There is no tolerance to anyone who is not a believer or who does not believe in what the evangelicals believe. Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists are considered beneath human to these people, unless they can get them in their fold – and that is a fact.”

What??? Christian evangelicals believe all other faiths and non-faiths are sub-human? ALL evangelicals? You know this for a fact? Wow. Ummmmm, and why would they want all of us sub-humans in their fold, exactly? (Aren’t ‘sheep’ technically ‘sub-human’? Jes’ wunnerin’)

I’m a non-evangelical Baptist. I don’t agree that only those who ‘accept’ Christ are the only ones who ‘become born-again’, which is also described as ‘spiritual regeneration’, or ‘quickening’, which means ‘made-alive’. (The state prior to spiritual rebirth is described as spiritual death, or dead in spirit.) I believe many, many non-Christian people are born-again or ‘regenerated’, now or at some point in their life, and according to the bible, it is a cross-section of ‘every family, nation, tongue’ etc. I believe that evangelicals get the cart before the horse: they say you must accept Christ before you are regenerated, and I believe you have to be spiritually alive (regenerated) BEFORE you could possibly ‘accept’ or believe in Christ, so the believing or acceptance is an evidence of spiritual life, not a pre-requisite. So yes, you could be any race, color, creed, including full-on Christian-hating atheist, Muslim extremist, gang-banger, Nazi-skinhead, pimp, pornstar, or just plain folk, and possibly be born-again, at some point in your life, in my opinion.

However, after regeneration, I believe that a person begins to feel conflict within between what they’ve grown up thinking it was OK to do, and what their God through their heart is telling them it is actually OK to do, and they should begin to change, though in many cases they will never join a Christian church, if for no other reason than they are a Muslim living in a Muslim country. Or in a place where they’ve been indoctrinated to believe all Christians think they are sub-humans. Hmmmm.

(John Newton was a slave-trader who came to abhor his former life, became a Christian, and wrote many wonderful hymns. I believe his life, along with the apostle Paul’s, Helen Keller’s, and my own have followed this pattern, i.e. God coming into and changing our hearts first, which then led to changes in our outward behavior and a subsequent belief in Christ.)

I live in San Francisco and I have friends who are friends with Newsom. This came directly from the mayor’s mouth and he discussed it in the SF papers.

Hey Larry, you have had a very interesting life so far, huh? Seems so to me.

Every time I hear of evangelicals now I see the Schiavo protesters.

As for gas prices, I got mine last night, anticipating the hurricane speculation, but it’s deeper than that. Chavez booted the US ambassador out and on reading that news my next trip was for a tank of gas.

The stuff was up over 42 cents the next day, and they already price 40 cents higher in town and regionally than in nearby MSA locations.
Gas prices have crippled the city budget here. To compensate the cops are going on a ticket writing spree this week.

Tax break for billionaires, less cops on the street working more hours and generally hassling people on rush hour instead of doing the meat of police duty in going after criminals.

Let’s reiterate the current conversation.
Pro lifers = Schiavo.
America is getting price gouged to the maximum threshold most states will allow(ten per cent).
Less cops, more crimes, revenue down so we’ll pay more in taxes or take it out of you in tickets and fines.

Eight more years of this, please. The anarchists are not backing Obama, he might delay the collapse a few months in comparison. Straight over the cliff, into the bottomless deficit pit.

Anyone who says Republicans are for cheap gas should put their 401k into a great investment plan for the Brooklyn bridge. You know, bridges to nowhere, New Bridge Strategies spending levee money on no contest bids for Iraq that end up vanishing, bridges falling apart on your work commute all over the country.

ALL of them are abominable GOP products.

On the religion issue as a whole, if that what each side wants to talk about it’s pretty certain they have almost no fiscal legacy to base a campaign upon.

Thomas Paine was of pretty good example determining the issue.

Most of this current item is media made, a carefully crafted item for the victim’s narrative.

Exactly.

Committing suicide by 6 shots to the head would be proof of a murder.

(hypothetically)

I am an agnostic. I’ve seen this video and the Rev. Wright. Contrary to your venom, my experience has been very positive. When I told a family friend, a very “Christian” lady, that I did not believe the whole Jesus is my savior bit, all she said is that she would pray for my sole.

That was that. She still had me over for coffee, and I walked her dog.

All of this is my way of telling you to go fuck yourself.

Your blame is misplaced. Republicans have been trying to increase domestic production and expolortaiton for oil since the 90s.. and either been vetoed or blocked by Democrats in Congress.

The Democratic leadership cant make it any more clear… they want this country to be in a fuel crisis. They wamt us paying 10/gal. All this misery contributes to the class warfare they are engaged in, Nancy scumbag Pelosi has stated many times, she’s trying to save the world.. the American people could go fuck off.

Deep seated roots of my fears? Hmm… If you’re suggesting that I have a phobia concerning Christians, I don’t. I’ve bumped up against plenty of fundamentalists before, though and have had difficulties with the rigidity of their thinking. It has generally boiled down to the fact that while I’m accepting of their beliefs, they often don’t reciprocate with an equal willingness to be accepting of my own. They generally consider my alternative approach to spirituality–which involves no specific religious doctrine–invalid at best. At worst, they’ve suggested I’m probably going to hell if I don’t hook up exclusively with Jesus. (They’d apparently cut me some slack if I were Jewish, but, alas, I’m not that either.)

It worries me that anyone having that sort of rigidity of thinking would me making decisions affecting everybody. It seems to have affected Bush’s perspective to the extent that policy on scientific research has been altered, for example. I suspect it enters into our policy with regard to the state of Israel, and into the way we’ve dealt with problems relating to Islamic fundamentalism. It has certainly affected policy concerning end-of-life issues that should be entirely a matter of personal conscience.

Obama stayed away from Newsome as if he had rabies:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/29/as-god-is-my-witness-obama-snubs-newsom-gays/

Obama picks Biden because he feels he needs to address the ‘experience’ gap, supposedly.

Time for some “Experience” Math:

Obama Biden Experienced-enough-to-be-President Hillary

The above arrangement is derived simply from Obama’s and Biden’s own words and actions!

Now, some will argue about Biden position, and regardless of where you think Palin comes in on the above spectrum, they both are only the VP nominees.

How the heck did Obama get picked for POTUS?

I mean, didn’t Gibson and the media ask Obama all the tough questions, and thoroughly ‘vet’ him with all the operatives sent to Chicago to dig for the ‘truth’? Wasn’t there coverage of just exactly what Obama did and who he worked with in Chicago as a community organizer? And of course we all finally know exactly what he’s going to do about raising/lowering taxes and cutting/increasing spending in order to balance the budget, right? Afterall, he’s claiming to know so much about ‘fixing’ the economy, he must have told someone his plans in order to make that claim, right?

Or not.

Then you & Thomas Paine should have a BIG problem with Obama.

Obama was on the side of the pro-lifers in the senate on the Schiavo case – google it.

Obama vows to INCREASE funding to Bush’s faith based initiatives. Much of this money goes to the church groups you fear. Google it.

Obama voted FOR the Bush-Cheney Energy Bill (McCain voted against it because it was written by the oil companes to benefit the oil companies with big tax breaks). Google it.

Obama said he was against FISA before he voted for it. One of Obama’s top advisors is a lobbyist for AT&T (connect the dots). Google it.

Chicago Republicans contributed MORE to Obama’s campiagn than they did to the GOP – google it.

The more you dig, the more you find Obama has played footsie with the GOP, often more than McCain ever has.

Does McCain have a hawkish foriegn policy – yup. Do I agree with it 100%? Nope.

But on foreign policy a little digging on Obama’s middle eastern connections leads me to believe he’s the middle-eastern version of the Manchurian Candidate. And I’m not the only one who believes this.

I personally object to some of the practices of Santeria. On the other hand I’m not a vegetarian, so I probably can’t make too strong a case. It certainly isn’t my cup of tea. I thought the Reagan obsession with astrology was a little unsettling. I guess I like leaders who make decisions as scientific humanists, but who also have moral sensibilities rooted in the wisdom and validity of the Ten Commandments. Fundamentalists seem to have a much harder time with that sort of balancing act than those with greater flexibility do.

This is a fundemental belief of Hillary’s and part of her agenda.
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The song was uplifting. I live and let live as long as it’s for good. Separation of church and state. In Barky’s case his religion is directly against the security of the nation.
Vice President Palin is gonna do lots of good. Like Hillary wanted to do. Shake out and turn upside down Washington and find the source of the pain and fix it. America is a Judeo-Christian nation and Palin’s church is not odd. Barky’s church is odd and evil. It’s not Judeo-Christian.

Interestingly, though, McCain criticized Obama when he suggested that we might want to consider unilaterally going after Osama bin Laden and his associates if we located them inside of Pakistan. McCain pointed out they were our allies, and said we had to respect the borders of sovereign nations.

Everyone seems to have shown some inconsistancies.

Go to a hospital where they perform abortions and talk to some nurses. After you leave you may not still be for abortion as a form of birth control.
Maybe out of sight, out of mind has been the reason many support abortion as a form of birth control. Facing it may be food for thought.

I see a spike headed straight into the heart and lungs of the Obama candidacy.

President John-McCain
Vice President-Sarah Palin.
Cindy McCain-First Lady
Piper Palin-little lady

Well, I’m an agnostic, and I also agree that evangelical Christians are/can be over the top for my belief systems – but then all fundamentalist religious groups are over the top for me. And fundamentalist religions are generally intolerant, I get what you’re saying. Here’s my point: I don’t like Sarah’s Palin’s belief systems, my ideaology and hers are far apart, ditto John McCain’s, but Senator Obama is an election-stealing crook surrounding himself with corrupt individuals and terrorists. He’s a sexist and a misogynist and a race baiter; his church is racist. Senator Clinton should have been our nominee and she’s not. Ergo, I’m voting for McCain/Palin. I don’t care what dirt comes out about them (very little, I imagine) or what their belief systems are. If we don’t stop this behavior in its tracks (that is the DNC behavior and the behavior of Senator Obama) than we tacitly approve of it. No get out of jail free card for this one. I’m voting against my Party, for all federal offices. My state Dems I’ll vote for, since I know them.

The phrase country before party was ‘coined’ here after the devastating RBC meeting on May 31st. McCain met with disenfranchised Dems and picked up on the phrase breaking it down to Country First. He saw what happened to our party base. Only a dimwit wouldn’t notice.

So, you support building new nuclear power plants? How about clean coal burning research and plant production? And going after our own oil now while we still need it instead of sending huge amounts of dollars to our enemies around the world?

Yeah, what the heck, for the next 20 years while we are primarily an oil based economy, let’s just let the Russians sell us all that arctic oil.

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSLC30090620080912?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true

MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia must stake its claim to a slice of the Arctic’s vast resources, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said on Friday at an unprecedented session of the council held on a desolate Arctic island.

Russia, the world’s second biggest oil exporter, is in a race with Canada, Denmark, Norway and the United States for control of the oil, gas and precious metals that would become more accessible if global warming shrinks the Arctic ice cap.

Underlining Russia’s claims to the region, Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev assembled the defence and interior ministers and the speakers of both houses of parliament for the meeting on the Arctic island, Russian news agencies reported.

Russia, the world’s biggest country, says a whole swathe of the Arctic seabed should belong to it because the area is really an extension of the Siberian continental shelf.

“The Arctic must become Russia’s main strategic resource base,” Russian news agencies quoted Patrushev as saying. The Council usually meets only in Moscow.

Patrushev, formerly Russia’s powerful domestic spy chief, said competition from other Arctic powers was increasing and that Russia must strengthen transport links across its Arctic regions to drive development.

Canada, Norway, Russia, the United States and Denmark — which governs Greenland — all have a shoreline within the Arctic Circle, and have a 200-mile (320-km) economic zone around the north of their coastlines.

Russian officials say they are entitled to a bigger share. They base the claim on the contention that the Lomonosov ridge, a vast underwater mountain range that runs underneath the Arctic, is an extension of the Siberian continental shelf.

Obviously research needs to continue in renewable and alternative energy resource development. But to say the status quo of being at the mercy of nations that hate us is acceptable is pretty silly. Why on earth should Saudi Arabia get a single penny from American consumers when we have massive oil shale deposits?

Shell Oil spent millions over the last few years on research on oil shale, and now they say the break even price to harvest it is about $50 a barrel. Even if construction/purification takes double that….the money is spent here, the workers are Americans with good-paying jobs, and if the Saudis or Russians or Venezuelans decide to throw a tantrum they can’t trash our economy.

To “drill drill drill”, I respond with “solar, wind, natural gas”.

If we did that, we’d soon be dependent on nobody. As global supplies dwindle and competition for them increases, we would remain strong and invulnerable. We could out-produce everyone and keep costs highly competetive in a global market, because we’d have unlimited cheap clean energy for manufacturing, agricultural production, and transport.

When I was a kid I saw Jesus crying over thugs controlling our elections.

“So please…stop defending Palin or her church and their views.”

You wish.

Deep seated roots of my fears? Hmm… If you’re suggesting that I have a phobia concerning Christians, I don’t. I’ve bumped up against plenty of fundamentalists before, though and have had difficulties with the rigidity of their thinking.

Is it any different than anyone strongly affliliated with an ideology?

It has generally boiled down to the fact that while I’m accepting of their beliefs, they often don’t reciprocate with an equal willingness to be accepting of my own.

I don’t understand this. What do you mean by accept? Do you want them to state that your beliefs are correct and valid? Why would you expect that? I would no more assume that any Jew I ever meet would acknoweldge the correctness of the Chrisitan faith

They generally consider my alternative approach to spirituality–which involves no specific religious doctrine–invalid at best. At worst, they’ve suggested I’m probably going to hell if I don’t hook up exclusively with Jesus. (They’d apparently cut me some slack if I were Jewish, but, alas, I’m not that either.)

This bothers you? I cant imagine why anyone who didn’t share their beliefs would care one bit if they were going to hell…you don’t believe in hell,, so obivously you aren’t going there… and thosse people arent going to send you there.

There are tons of Muslims in the world, and they would probahbly think you’re going to hell.

Now in which community would an atheist be able to thrive in? The christian or islamic one? Obviously the Christian one, because implicit in Christianity is the belief that no one person can control the thoughts of others, and that gives birth to the notion of indidivual rights.

In fact it’s precisely becuase of Christianity that there developed the respect of one person given to another , so that even one person’s reject of GOd is regarded by Christians as that person’s right to do so.

It worries me that anyone having that sort of rigidity of thinking would me making decisions affecting everybody. It seems to have affected Bush’s perspective to the extent that policy on scientific research has been altered, for example. I suspect it enters into our policy with regard to the state of Israel, and into the way we’ve dealt with problems relating to Islamic fundamentalism. It has certainly affected policy concerning end-of-life issues that should be entirely a matter of personal conscience.

I disagree with most of this. What most heavily influences foreign policy is the State Dept. The STate Dept’s wishes were supersceded in most of the 1st term, but as the 1st term ended, the State Dept was given more ability to come up with policy;.. Bush has taken an almost total hands off approach regardign foreign policy and gave it to Condi Rice.

If Bush was acting out of Christian-motivated principles then instead of continuing on with that sham of a “peace Process” he instead would have Israel conquer those areas. The Palestianians are looking for a fight, The Bible says the Jews are to never give up their lands.

So if Bush was working out off an instuctution manual he is not doign a good job

You’re not really accepting and respecting someone who is different from yourself when you think that they somehow need “fixing” or “forgiving”.

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Maybe it is time to lower the dosage on the kool-aid? You are forgetting Jeremiah Wright here and his sermon’s. This is a slippery road for O’bummer. Palin’s church vs. O’bummer’s church is going to be the fight Reps want to engage in, no matter how many speeches O’bummer gives on race and how mangled Wright is under the bus. On lectures “accepting and respecting” you are going to loose. Big time

I, too, agree with you, Alternative Energy. We do need to be forward thinking and really focus on alternative energy. In the meantime I’m still voting McCain/Palin.
PUMA

Kat, I think the perception of many people is that Palin called Hillary a whiner. IMHO she probably did. I don’t like that she said it, but so what, people are going to believe what they believe. I’m still voting for McCain/Palin.
PUMA

Dr. Z, I was baptized RC, went to catechism class, came over to this wonderful country when little and attended the Presbyterian church most every Sunday except those I spent with friends attending Assembly of God, Mormon, back to Catholicism, etc., etc. I’m part of the liberal left of the Democratic Party which preaches tolerance of other belief systems or used to. I’m an agnostic now and I don’t think Palin or McCain are going to infect me with their belief systems. But I do dislike the hate-filled rhetoric of Reverend Wright and wonder how anyone could have attended such a church and listened to such sermons for twenty years.
PUMA

Gail, it seems you have missed the point completely. There is intolerance in evangelical churches. There is intolerance in Rev. Wright’s church. The point being, if the press or Obama doesn’t want to revisit the Rev Wright videos, they would be well advised to stay away from the topic completely. If there are video’s of Gov Palin’s minister humping the pulpit, of course, that’s a different story.

On Greta’s recent Alaska coverage, Greta interviewed Palin’s current pastor. He’s VERY sypmathetic, tolerant, and LOVING toward gays. I was very impressed with the man; he seemed a true Christian.

“It’s Day Two of our Obama Chicago Gay Pride Watch — our attempt to learn why, exactly, Barack Obama is not marching in Chicago’s Gay Pride Parade, the way Hillary Clinton and other national figures all march in Gay Pride Parades, every year, in their respective home towns.

Why not Obama?”

What could possibly be more important than supporting the LGBT community in his home town on Sunday June 29th?

Posted by HillBuzz at

Actually, Bill Clinton is Baptist and Hillary is Methodist.

Wow. Thanks for the link. The comments to that gem from people living in the Boston area were instructive. See one such comment below. Am I the only one (don’t think so) that finds it extremely odd that Obama has instructed former Harvard classmates not to speak to the media? Where are his Columbia and Harvard chums? Any friends? A sharp contrast to the friends, family, and legions of Alaska voters who have know Palin well and are glad to tell anyone about her.

“On one hand we have a veteran who literally spent 2 1/2 years in a coffin (North Vietnamese “solitary confinement” is literally a coffin-sized box) rather than give anti-American concessions. On the other hand we have an Ivy League student who consistently scoffed local parking laws (by repeatedly parking in the MBTA bus spaces along Mass. Avenue) and then skipped town without paying hundreds in parking fees. A person with presidential potential shows their true nature even when the cameras aren’t rolling.”

Thanks for the laughs, Jeremiah. You are a real treasure.

It is color blind.

I think the GOP are colour blind. If they weren’t before they sure are now. At least for the campaign.

Funny thing happened today. Talking politics with the in-laws. One of them got it – the other didn’t. The ‘other’ listens to content but is a really poor judge of character. Preferred Hillary but hates the GOP.

What people say about him is: he’s a poor judge of character. His wife didn’t need ten seconds of her first Obama speech to see through the empty suit.

My question is this: is Obama relying on so many people being a poor judge of character? I can see him reckoning he can fool first time voters who haven’t been around the block yet – but how many more are they counting on?

And this whole idea that others for who knows what reason cannot see what’s so freaking obvious is really alien to me.

Anyone with anecdotes of their own? This is too weird for words actually.

Palin says Obama will regret no putting Clinton on the ticket
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/palin-b0-will-regret-not-picking-clinton-already-does/

The main thing is to keep fighting for a secular system; and let everybody have their faith, as long as it seems to help them. Trying to fight it just generates fanatism. When, however, it becomes destructive and political, it is rather dangerous, generates hate.

Off topic:

I’ve just studied the trend in the “History of changes of electoral votes” (Rasmussen) from August 22nd to Sept.9th and I listed the following comparison:

GOP have moved up from either:

likely to safe, or leans to likely or toss up to leans in 8 States (AK,ND,MT,TN,LA,SD,NC,OH), declined in none

DEM have declined in 6 States:

NM from leans DEM to toss up
ME from safe DEM to likely DEM
CT from safe DEM to likely DEM
OR from likely DEM to leans DEM
CO from leans DEM to toss up
WI from likely DEM to leans DEM
moved up in none

An impressive trend

Quo vadis, DEM?

Pray for you ‘soul’, dummy.

Just kidding, but go fuck yourself if you can’t take a joke…

Did I miss something? Is this a video from one of Palin’s church services? What is wrong w it?? Sounds pretty positive and inspiring to me.

That was supposed to be ‘your soul,’ now I’m I’m the dummy…

Go fuck yourself…

I come from a family of Republicans so I can’t help you there! I usually vote Democrat but have voted Reublican before. I do not base my decisions by political party. I almost didn’t support Hillary because of her position on one or two things. But I looked at the overall picture, not just one issue. I would like to think that the majority of people will do the same in November and not base their vote on whether Palin supports abortion or not. Cripes, we have so many more serious issues to worry about especially when women have so many more options today than they used to. People forget too that pregnancy is not like a disease. It is an option/conscious choice 95% of the time.

With love I say…you really shouldn’t hang around here, Vince. You keep spewing hoary old right-wing cliches about Democrats, and you never back up a word you say.

PUMA is a Democratic organization. We’re anti-Obama, not anti-liberal. There are plenty of winger sites where you can issue blanket condemnations of the left. But it’s very poor form for you to come here and do it—rather like squatting down and taking a dump on your host’s kitchen floor.

Please find a more appropriuate venue, Vince. We’re Democrats. Stop screwing things up here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyrMS6MBuSg

how in the hell would you know what true believers do with their beliefs?? You don’t, you’re just some punk thug, maybe went to college and thinks he is smart because of it-spouting off a bunch of words that don’t mean shit.

OMG HAHAHA

Check this out:

jimtreacher.com/

Hitler was a community organizer, FDR was a governor

If they can launch their moronic memes, why shouldn’t we? We don’t have Axelrod’s astroturfing staff to spread it overnight, but I’m sure we can make do.

Brilliant!!! ahahaha

Quick reminder: the GOP got where it is today by suppressing the black vote.

If they were color blind, 90% of black amms wouldn’t be Democrats.

Er…I meant to type “black Americans wouldn’t be Democrats.”

I love this song. Beautiful, very humbling. I was raising my hands right with them to humble myself before the Lord. I remember the first time I read the bible cover to cover. I had found all these books being taught from, people I couldn’t find any reference to in other parts of the bible. I remember thinking if Jesus taught from these books should not I also be reading/learning from these books? I wanted to know all about them so I brought some books on the Dead Sea Scrolls and read them. I brought the Apocryphia, Pseudepigrapha by R.H.Charles.(A lot of reading.)I began questioning my own faith. Which lead me on a journey to other faith’s.

I came to the conclusion in the end that most Christian Faiths are pretty close to one another, that Faith isn’t really found in a church, it’s found within. A church is a tool to me, just as the Bible is. It is a beginning. A foundation, then it is up to each of us to build upon that foundation. A personal relationship with the Lord, and God. Just as with all other relationships it is up to us/each individual to nuture, cherish, and grow within that relationship. I do not believe in complicating the message. A simple message of love, mercy and forgivness for all. There should be no room for hatred, however we as people are flawed. As Solomon said, “No man is without sin.” I heard in many churches, hate the sin, not the sinner.

As Thomas said, “Split a log and speak, he will hear.” (Dead Sea Scrolls)In my journey I went to several churches that believe in the speaking of tongues. It was never everyone in the church, just a few. It wasn’t like you see on TV where they roll on the ground, etc. It was just as humbling an experience as I found in all other churches. That is how they choose to build upon their relationship. How they choose to worship. It is far from extreme.

In fact the bible itself talks of speaking in tongues. 1 Corinthians 12 verses 4-12. You can also find references to it in James, Mark, Acts. A gift bestowed upon individuals by the Holy Ghost/Spirit. John baptized with water, Christ Jesus baptized with fire.

But, as I said not with every individual, nor with every member of a church. We’re supposed to believe that the Holy Spirit/Ghost bestows many gifts, different gifts to each of us. The Holy Spirit is the giver of truths. It teaches from within when we are at our most humble. When we close our eyes and allow ourselves to see all that the eyes cannot see. When we drown out the noise and allow ourselves to hear what the ears cannot hear. When we listen with our hearts. The Kingdom of heaven is found within, and all around us.

Just my humble opinion on the matter.

And Jesus and his disciples were communists.

It’s true! Jesus and his disciples lived together and shared the wealth equally amongst themselves. The Bible makes this very clear. In other words, they were communists. Makes you wonder why wingers hate commies so much.

What it gets down to is my superstition is better then YOUR superstition. 3/4 of the worlds problems are based in “faith” FU8K superstition, how about we deal with reality?

Al Capone was a community organizer, too. Set up soup kitchens, organized voter registration drives, etc.

Beautifully stated. The cross to me is a daily reminder that each of us has our own cross to bare.

While speaking to youth, Mark Twain said, “There are no mistakes in life, there are but lessons to be learned.”

Oppressive groups in the Middle East have taken to employing the clandestinely coercive techniques Al Capone used during his bloody reign over the streets of Chicago in the 1920s. Just as Capone courted public admiration for his activity by opening soup kitchens for the poor and providing community services at a quality much higher than that of the government, groups like Hezbollah and Hamas are using the civic and social service avenues to ingratiate themselves into the community. Through this new found public support they then enter the political arena, perverting the democratic process in order to gain power within the national government.

- Frank Salvato

Salinksy -> Ayers -> Obama?

Any believer who thinks Sarah Palin’s theological understanding of “God’s Will” is part of the lunatic fringe, MUST have been sleeping during Sunday School, Catechism, or Hebrew School. C’mon, even no longer practicing Christians must remember “Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven”.

You forgot the Big Ass Bill Board on the Bishop Ford Expressway, with him and Meeks together.

If you want to see intolerance, go to a Christian chatroom or blogsite and read the trolls and mockers which is really all you are. Why would people go where they can mock others who don’t believe like they do? I wonder why you and your company even target a Christian organization. Don’t you think they can feel your hatred of them? So it’s ok to be a hypocrite if you’re selling something? You may think you’re hiding your condescension but you aren’t.

MANY of our previous Presidents have been evangelical Christians! Ultimate wisdom is knowing that you don’t have all the answers but are guided by principles such as the golden rule (doing unto others as you would have them do unto you) rather than revenge(do unto others as they have done to you).

Christianity is a world-view that transcends race and color.

I really try not to get too wrapped up in lights, cameras and imagery, but it’s difficult not to appreciate the music/video. When I saw the Wright video, it was difficult not to be appalled by him.

Tolerance?
GLEN BECK Mar 19, 2008 11:41 PM
Here’s part of it:

In his own talking points on his congregation website, he describes his view as — quoting — systemized black liberation theology. Now, the reverend that Barack has enabled for 20 years credits James Cohn of New York union’s theological seminary with having undertaken this systemization. Here as Cohn’s description of what this theology is. You got it? So we’re one person removed from Reverend Wright. He says his theology is based on this, based on this guy and his work and here’s what this guy says his work is all about.
Quote: Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill all gods who do not belong to the black community.
Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the WHITE ENEMY. What we need is the divine love as expressed in black power which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

methinks the poster has never heard of the ecumenical movement.

Not a topic of discussion for the Daily Kooks, I’d gather.

as an atheistic liberal (former) dem i can tell you that HIS church is WAY creepier than HER church!

(how’s that for enlightened analysis?!)

My dad’s sister became a Pentecostal.

She didn’t try to convert us. In fact, she never even mentioned her beliefs to us. She would go to her service, then come home and continue to do a stellar job of caring for her disabled son and crotchety husband.

She was a model citizen and law-abiding member of her community.

to paraphrase jsparrow: anyone who thinks Obamarosa has the best interests of our nation at heart is a “nutcase”.

It works for me.

Jesus was not a community organizer. Jesus was a teacher. Pontius Pilate was a governor, yes. But remember Pilate could not make a decision to sentence Jesus and so he allowed the community organizers and activist to crucify Jesus.

Pilate is more like Obama because Obama voted PRESENT 130 times and could not make a decision in the Illinois senate.

Leah Daughtry, Pentecostal minister
and Senior Leadership of this year’s Democratic Convention.

The Times describes the congregation in which Daughtry was raised – the House of the Lord Church in Brooklyn, N.Y., where generations of family members, including her father Herbert Daughtry, have preached for decades: “Below the sanctuary, in the fellowship hall, a banner for slavery reparations proclaimed, ‘They Owe Us.’ ers, including her father Herbert Daughtry, have preached for decades: “Below the sanctuary, in the fellowship hall, a banner for slavery reparations proclaimed, ‘They Owe Us.’

The why did GWB actually discard most of the Clinton policy to expand the strategic petroleum reserve? One of his very first acts in 2000 after the Dade Courthouse riot.

Well like it or not, believe it or not, America was (is?) mostly christian and is still the greatest nation on the face of the earth. America became great because they are a great people. You can say they are great people by chance or by virtue of something else, but most Americans at one time credited all of America’s greatness to God. And for some reason people of all other faiths around the world have been trying to come to America.

Pilate couldn’t stand by his personal convictions and do the right thing–the ultimate flip flopper. You’re right, much like the FISA loving-I aint drilling-we need finance reforming-non flag wearing Obama.

your ‘filet de sole’?… I’d pray for a nice crisp Pinot Grigio

James Dobson is the sponsor of this program

James Dobson isn’t running for POTUS.

And neither is Sarah Palin. However, Sarah Palin does have a record of her governance in Alaska, and none of it includes intolerance of that state’s gay citizens.

Also I posted upthread about Leah Daughtry who ran the Democratic convention. She and the BLT bunch are intolerant of gays.

I read about it on Shtuey’s blog.

Dispruption in the drilling, the refining and the shipping of gas (Colonial Pipeline serving the Southern and Eastern US has closed) seems to me to help the Drill, Baby, Drill philosophy. Spread out the risk so we aren’t crippled economically with big tropical storms. Advantage McCain -Palin on that issue. Could also revive the argument for removal of the federal gas tax for the duration of the oil and gas spike.

Did they miss the part where Jesus was a Jew?

One of the guys who helped me move was a young AA. He saw one of my religious prints and he told me that Jesus was Black. I corrected him, “No, Jesus was of the Semitic race. However peoples around the world have morphed Jesus into a man who looked like themselves, so I don’t have a problem with Jesus being represented as a Black man.”

(The artwork of mine that prompted the conversation was a rendering of Madonna and Child, both being Asian. And the print was in the Japanese style. I love that print.)

This is very much like what happens at my church on Sundays. We have 15 minutes (3 songs)of pre-praise music where the entire church sings along and the worship team is in front leading, offering praise to God. Our music is very much the modern Christian genre, not hymns, although occasionally we add hymns for special things. That is followed by our “praise celebration”, consisting of 4 more songs. We then have “prayers of the people”, then “childrens moment” with a mini-sermon, usually an object lesson. Next is the scripture reading on the passage upon which the sermon is based with surrounding text. Then the pastor delivers her sermon. We have a “song of response”, again, a new Christian type of music (such as “I can only Imagine” just to give you an idea of what I’m talking about), followed by tithes, then communion. We have an open table because it’s God’s table for all the children of God. You don’t have to be a member of our church or any church to recieve God’s covenant.
That’s followed by a closing song and the benediction.
Our Church service is very centered around praise music and all the glory is given to God, not to the people who are doing the singing or the leading or the preaching, it’s our time to give our praise and thankfulness to God, not time to make each other feel guilty or be pummelled by a sermon that accuses or judges us, although the sermons are VERY much the message of God and calls us to step up in living out what God calls us to do instead of sitting on our “blessed assurance”.
I guess we are definitely an “evangelical church” through and through. It took me a while to get accustomed to it coming from a main stream church (Methodist), but they respect my church background and I like being able to offer pure praise to God instead of “playing church”.
The video is an example and a very good example of what goes on in many churches. It goes on in mine. The first 1/2 hour is dedicated to this and people do sing up front and do stand up and join in.

Thanks, Larry.

There are SO many great, loving churches, even here in the Deep South, that are very diverse and open to everyone. It is a myth that Christians are all biased and prejudiced against others who don’t agree with their doctrine.

My church here in SC has a great Prison Ministry, in which I worked for years. There is a much greater percentage of Blacks incarcerated here than Whites, and the love that my church felt for these prisoners literally changed the hearts of some of them. It was with much gratitude in my heart that I witnessed prisoners, upon their release from prison, being baptized in my church and the congregation standing and applauding their conversion experience. There was much hands-on help for them to get acclimated into a crime-free area, along with much love and acceptance from members of the church who were displaying God’s Grace, rather than standing in judgment.

I remember one Wednesday service when our minister shocked some of us by saying we must love everyone, regardless of their backgrounds or actions — and he even mentioned the ‘child molestor’ who might need help in overcoming his sin of molestation. I was shocked by that thought, since I find that act of sin SO disgusting.

I think much respect should be shown for the Christian Communnity, as they are trying to exhibit the love and grace of their Savior in accepting even ‘the least of these’ in our society.

Gail, I hate to break this to you (actualy I don’t, but that’s the usual segway), but MY evangelical church that uses modern Christian music is not only colorblind, it is an MCC church. That is, it’s the Metropolitan Community Church, you know, the “gay church”. People in my church DO worship Christ but many have a more world-view religon and we don’t discriminate against them for that. There are blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, any race you can imagine goes to my church and about 80% of us are homosexual. We have a very large children’s group since many gay couples either adopt or once tried to fit into “straight society” and were married and had children. We have others there who are heterosexual, including my “mother in law” who loves the place with all her heart. We even have an elderly couple who have been together for over 60 years who attend regularly and absolutely love it there. We joke with the husband, telling him he just loves getting hugged by all the lesbians. He’s a card and says “of course I do!!”. The wife is a blessing to us and is one of the sweetest, most warm hearted people I have ever met.
WE are a true congregation. We have members from all walks of life, all sexual orientations, all races and fit the rainbow that represents us to a T.
Not all Christians are like the faux christians that go to church every sunday then act like demons the rest of the week. We put great value on outreach and helping the community and do so in many, many ways. We’re a small church with about 200 people on our lists, but those 200 people do more than a church of thousands who sit back on their blessed assurance and do nothing. I am very happy and thankful for my church the the opportunity it gives us to really worship Christ instead of worrying about the world around us. We are Christ centered, and show our love and devotion daily, not just on Sundays. We are also people friendly and accept those who have not dedicated themselves strictly to Jesus Christ but do try to help them feel His presence by bringing him into our midst as we worship. Our doors are closed to none. We even had one protestor stand outside during one service. we invited him in, but he refused. We took him water and snacks so he could be comfortable while he did what he thought he needed to do. He hasn’t been back since because he found real Christians there, people who didn’t want to fight with those who disagreed but instead, showed the love and understanding that Christ leads us to show.
I love my church and the message it shares and will defend it. Take some time on Sunday and visit the church of your choice, please consider attending an MCC church, you might be pleasantly surprised.

I was brought up in evangelical churches, and my husband’s family had generations of evangelical ministers, dating back to riding the circuit on horseback.
As an adult, I chose to be a “calm” Methodist. To each his own, as long as we recognize the bounty our creator has bestowed on us and our country!
View the breath-taking beauty from shore to shore, and pray for it’s preservation!

How dare you call such a wonderful and beautiful video STUPID? Gezzzzzzzz…go back and actually WATCH it. As for the BLACK people in Alaska (because that’s what YOU really meant)
The African American Historical Society of Alaska
AND here’s the link just for YOU.
http://www.juneteenth.com/5alaska.htm
SHOULD ‘that’ not satisfy your idiotic ass there’s more.
http://www.akhistorycourse.org/articles/article.php?artID=233
THEN you have to decipher the NATIVES who are also referred to as black and then those that are African.

Good morning and Thank you Larry. I could never understand that divisive, angry and hateful speech from Obama’s churches. Nothing I’ve ever experienced from a church, or should there be. They didn’t preach love, healing, sharing or peace. Ugly. My experiences in Church much different. My Grandmother walked to church every morning. She made food for the church gatherings, no doubt a reason I worked our Church Carnivals in the food area. And those were some of the most fun days I had.

Nobody owes them anything. This is one of the things that really sickens me.
Each and every person alive today has had some form of mistreatment of some of their ancestors. Nobody is entitled to something because of what their ancestors endured or didn’t endure. I don’t owe anybody anything. Nor does anyone owe me anything. People need to learn to take the responsiblity for their own lives in the present and to make the best of it they can. Those who cling to the past will never have a future.

ya know, I masturbate just like everybody else, but come on, we can’t do it ever damn day. If I can’t do it with someone else, then yes, I will definitely “go fuck myself” if neccessary and I feel the need, but you guys are really pushing me too hard and I’m going to have to tell myself I have a headache soon.

From the TUCC website:

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? I John 4:20

# Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.

Unfortunately, TUCC misinterprets the term brother as the slang of brother. The aforementioned verse is meant to be unifying, not divisive. Martin Luther King Jr. understood the Christian world-view when he spoke of his dream of the day when people are not judged on the color of their skin, but the content of their character. Perhaps Barky didn’t want to call attention to his own lack of character by giving Dr. King adequate recognition when he gave his historic speech in front of grecian pillars.

Alas, the “uniter” has exploited and has taken gigantic leaps back by creating further division between the sexes, color, class, culture and religion.

exactly. Some of us even go to predominantly gay churches, and those churches do have “straight” people in them as well.
Some people just like to live by stereotypes. Those people are generally called “bigots” or “racists” or “sexists” because they can’t see beyond their upturned noses.

When I watch videos like this, I wish I was a Christian, it must be wonderful to be part of that, when I watch the Rev Wright, I thank the goddess I’m not as it must be so awful to be filled with hate like that.

I still cannot understand why Obama spent 20 years in that hate hole.

unfortunately, I don’t know who obama paid to do it

He can’t march in it, he may run into some ex lovers who would out him as being on the “down low”.
Obama loves gay sex, he just hates being a in a large group of gay people because he might be “outed”

Gays won’t vote for obama. Even though obama is on the “down low” and engages in gay sex. Why won’t they vote for him? He will do everything possible to discriminate against gays living openly because he’s scared to death he could be outed. He will fight against rights for gays, even though he’s bisexual, becaues he doesn’t want people knowing he’s bisexual (or buy-sexual) because “it wouldn’t look good”. He sets gay civil liberties back 50 years, he sets women’s rights back 100 years, he sets black rights back 50 years all becaue he wants to “look good on paper”. to hell with the masses, just give him his crown so he can prance around in it.

He’s not worried about fixing the economy or any other issue, all he’s worried about is fixing the election.

Good on you and your wife, Larry. Thirty years ago–hmm, that was a little before the time I joined up with a Lutheran church which was definitely out of step with everyone else. We believed in witnessing by actions, took on the Catholic “the mass is ended, now the mass must be lived,” after communion, and ended up infiltrated by the FBI for giving aid to C.A. refugees, especially from El Salvador. It is great to work for a cause… Now, that charismatic pastor who started it all is retired, the Contra war refugee mission changed to neighborhood childcare and grew away from the church itself, and the congregation is disbanded. I think a “church” is better characterized by its sub-communities, and that like all organizations, they flourish and wither in their time.

Thanks Larry- now THAT! is Christian community! (I am Catholic but fortunate to be involved in the music ministry and youth ministry in our parish and Diocese. We are teaching some of the modern praise music in our parish- and the growth in the parish is incredible!)

Excluding the church I attend now, The Methodist church is my pick.

I pray for sole, but being a good Catholic only on Fridays. So, agnostics think deep down inside, we’re all just stinky fishes. Tell me something I didn’t already know.

I think it’s best left to a case-by-case basis. A lot of voters worried the Pope would dictate policy to JFK until he gave his great speech on his faith. But Santeria shares some elements of Catholicism, and it has its roots in Nigeria. But speaking in tongues or being overcome by spirit is common. It is not weird to those who practice it. I have attended ceremonies and felt comfortable as someone who grew up in an area with a strong Baptist and Pentecostal tradition. It actually seems like a very democratic approach to faith, though it’s a little edgy for me. But to each his own. I certainly wouldn’t discriminate against it.

They both advocate alternatives. Oil drilling in the USA is a bridge to get the alternatives functional. It’s a necessary transition that cannot possibly happen over night. The storage problem, battery problems etc. have not been solved enough to enable functional widespread use of alternatives as yet. But Americans, using their amazing ability to solve problems when pushed, are doing it. Drill now, use coal, use oil shale, natural gas etc. to get us to the next level of energy independence. We can be self sufficient as we were in WWII. McCain/Palin get it. The Dems don’t.

What do you think of OB church associations? Think they might influence his thinking? Or how about the possibilities of his Muslim influences as a child? This is just ridiculous to focus on religion and make it an issue. This is America which was founded for the reason of allowing religious freedoms. To me this is a non-issue unless one of them says they want to convert everyone to their religous beliefs. Everyone has the right to worship as they please.

Funny, I wasn’t all that excited about that video either. But in no way did it make me want to run and hide like the shit that spews from Barack OBama’s spiritual advisor of twenty years. And at least I know they aren’t Marxists.

You aren’t kidding.

Amazing how Chicago’s community organizers work isn’t it? And there are generations of them. Problem is there is much behind the title that isn’t so nice. Chicago is a beautiful city, but it’s politicians? Not so much.

Maybe the hommophobe is afraid he might run into some guys he knows well……

…and they don’t even shoot them dead.

This is the difference between the McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden campaign. McCain/Palin are positive and uplifting, telling us the glass is half full. Obama/Biden are downers, telling us the glass is half empty.

No, THEIR glass is half empty. YOURS is half full. They want to empty your glass and fill theirs. Also known to Michelle as your “Pie”.

Chiten, where is your church; sounds nice.

I think this video is misleading, as far as Palin.

While it is in fact an Assembly of God church, it’s not the one Palin attends. It’s actually the one attended by the singer in the video, Darlene Zschech, also the songwriter of the song she’s singing, which is very popular these days in Christian praise style and blended music services. This is singer Darlene Zschech’s Hillsong Assembly of God Church where she is a member and worship leader in Sydney Australia.

Here is Palin’s actual church.
…which includes a link, to their statement and video about Palin.

Pastor says she can speak for herself, then she does, in church, about pipelines and Iraq as God’s plans.

The real question is; do we evaluate Palin’s religious practice on the basis of whether her church feels good, as some people will; or on the basis of the likelyhood that she might promote government establishment of religion, in violation of the Constitution. Whether she will or won’t seems to be inconclusive at the moment.

In terms of her other qualifications, John Dean proposes a useful test.

Consider this parallel: Does anyone believe that if John McCain were president and had selected Governor Sarah Palin under the Twenty-fifty Amendment to fill a vacancy in the vice presidency, Congress would have confirmed her? Not likely. In fact, it is even less likely that McCain would have even attempted to do so, for he would have embarrassed himself.

“As long as she does not force her beliefs on others, her beliefs are not a problem. Trolls think that we do not understand this.”

Exactly. They never cite any example of when she has forced her beliefs on anyone. Liberal Mario Cuomo is personally against abortion. So was born-again Jimmy Carter.

Thanks for the info and I am glad that you are trying to inform people about “He who would be King” but I am well aware of the deficiencies of Omessiah. I am furious that because of the illegal actions of the DNC I can abstain from voting this cycle, or vote for feminist negative social policy. I had convinced myself I could vote for McCain/ Palin until I heard Sarah’s interview and her statement that rvw should be overturned and that abortion should be legal only in the cases of incest and rape. Then I lost it as how primitive is that? As a secular person I find religiosity abhorrent. In one sense this is turning into a religious war evangelicals versus black muslims and out of touch elite whites

Everyone is getting blasted with anger this year. People like me who want to see a viable third party emerge are scorned by all. It makes me wonder about how damaged we will be as a nation after this travesty. I have lost my oldest friend to this debacle and broken off relations with a sibling and it is just so sad. Gives one an idea of what the civil war must have been like.

I agree that the best thing is for extremist evangelicals to win this particular election but what kind of Supreme Court will they give us? One that would have to be dismantled in the future and restructured. I don’t believe that you can have a modernist, first world country that creates delusion based social policy that enslaves women.

Some days it makes one wish Hale Bop was sending a fleet of UFOs to take sane people to a rational, harmonious planet where there was no war, hate and environmental destruction. In lieu of that I am going hiking today and no TV.

Someone suggested that I leave and not post here but the special thing Larry has done is create a space where people with differing ideas can ventilate and share info. I thing that people who want a third and centrist democratic party belong here too.

I repeat myself: Separation of Church and State.

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Amen! Count me among the 5% or so who won’t vote for Obama because I don’t believe he’s a liberal. Sigh. I’m used to being fringe.

Ha ha. I like it. I’m also clinging to that ole separation of church and state – especially after seeing Rev. Wright humping the pulpit.

The Schiavo item from Obama was that he found a way of being there to give some form of pandering to those votes.

The GOP had Bush fly in from Crawford, DeLay and Frist make appearances, and Obama with them.

Had he not been there he could easily use the Schiavo scandal to counter the pro lifers.

That doens’t mean Palin shouldn’t have to stake a position upon the topic to justify scrutiny to the notion of the pro life supporters.

Why is she getting the free pass?

Please pass around…..

ABC Busted On Hiding Sarah Palin’s Full Answers- Updated with abc news contarct url

NewsBusters has the detailed and a link to the original transcript, but a teaser of the type of
things ABC deliberately didn’t show the viewing public is below: (Contact Form to ABC below the post, in case some want to ask them why they cut out important portions of Palin’s answers)

Next we see that Palin was not nearly as hostile towards Russia as was presented in the edited interview:

GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.

PALIN: Sure.

GIBSON: Let’s start, because we are near Russia, let’s start with Russia and Georgia.

The administration has said we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep…

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

We also see from Palin’s following remark, which was also edited out, that she is far from some sort of latter day Cold Warrior which the edited interview made her seem to be:

We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We’ve learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.

We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

The portion that NewsBusters put in bold are whole segments of Palin’s answers that they just edited out and didn’t make available to the public.

All interviews are edited but the bias shown in how the interview was presented to the American public in relation to the actual answers that were given by Palin, shows an incredible amount of behind the scenes deliberation to show the public only what they wanted them to see instead of what the public wanted to see, which was all of Palin’s answers.

NewsBusters has much more information on removed segments of Sarah Palin’s answers.

Read the whole interview to see how ABC has tried to play the public.

I am adding the contact URL for ABC News, so people who see how much of Palin’s answers were deliberately hid from the viewing public, can ask them why they felt the need to hide Sarah Palin’s full answers from people that depended on the television interview to get the answers about Palin they were seeking.

. Now why would Charlie Gibs

on do this as he gives Obama a free pass in not tellingPosted by Susan Duclos at 10:53 AM

Labels: ABC, Charlie Gibson, Media, Media Bias, Sarah Palin

Now tell us why would Charlie Gibson do this? WHY? This is wrong

Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

McCain/Palin 08

secularh… I agree with you but we are part of the rational minority.

How can this tame version of peace, love, etc. ever compare to the INAPPROPRIATENESS and OBSCENITY of UNCLE JEREMIAH’s TRINITY CHURCH?

How could Obama as a caring responsible father ever allow his 2 young impressionable girls to attend a church of toxic poison and one in which the minister gyrates on the pulpit wildly simulating a Sex act cursing Pres. Clinton and….monica…Wouldn’t a sane parent have removed his kids from witnessing the Pulpit lewdness? Why did he not leave church earlier? At least an X-RATED SIGN should have been posted outside Trinity!

No comparison between Palin’s church and the maniacal Uncle Jeremiah’s obscenities…..Shame on Michele for allowing her kids to witness PORNOGRAPHY ON THE PULPIT! And to allow the two little girls to absorbe the vitriol of racist hatred!….and these are the two ‘fit parents’ who wish to occupy the White House.

No way. Now how. Nobama! And I ain’t prayin’ for their miserable souls! (I’m not even religious!)….

I have referred two clientsn (Canada) recently to the Metropolitan Community Church and they have an excellent program for gay congregants. A superb organization….

[...] Second, and this is the main thing: Sarah Palin shares the same beliefs as MANY Evangelicals (Larry Johnson had a great piece on this at NoQuarter). Let me say that while this type of theology is [...]

I would think that with statistics showing 79% of Americans consider themselves Christians, attacking Sarah Palin on her Christianity will backfire on Obama and his supporters.

Shows like The View and people like Joy/Barbara, the elite, have lost touch with what is true Christian love found in the hearts of Americans across this country.

I pray on Nov. 4, they discover the real meaning of prayer and ‘God’s Will’

c

interesting to a man like me of Slovak descent to see blacks talk about slavery…look @ the word slavery…SLAV is the root , as Slavs were the first slaves in mass numbers in history (under the reign of Genghis Khan -former mayor of Chicago)…everyone has a gripe somewhere , but is Vaclav Klaus suing Chinese restaurants for reparations?

It doesn’t matter if this church was the exact one Palin attended or not.

The fact is that Governor Sarah Palin is A MEMBER OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST WHICH HAS NO BUILDING, ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS BELONG TO ONE BODY: JESUS CHRIST!

Praise be to JESUS the LAMB OF GOD, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH!

Which I noticed Rev Wright actually allowed himself to be introduced as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, which is and always will be a title given in the bible for Jesus Christ (not rev wright).

Madison,

THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT VIDEO!

I’ve just sent that around to all my friends.

Hey everybody check it out and don’t miss the surprising part when the music starts:

A RESPECTFUL SOLDIER SPEAKS TO OBAMA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

I’m proud to be an American!

If you have a problem with Jesus being the Way the Truth and the Life, take it up with Jesus Christ. I am very confident He will be glad to show you.

Until you do, why bother attacking those who believe in Him, when all you have to do is ask Him yourself? You don’t need to be in church to do it, do it right now in the privacy of your own home, sitting in a chair.

But please know this: the “church” of Jesus Christ is not a building, it is the BODY OF JESUS and it is open to all who believe AND DO HIS WILL.
And the people are not perfect and yes, some of them are not true believers. But that will not be an excuse on judgment day, to say the hypocrites kept you away because you see Jesus is not a hypocrite and He loves all that BELIEVE IN HIM. He said it, not us. Take this up with Jesus, He will show you.

Praise be to the LAMB of God.