Current Article

Shameful and Downright Perverse: The Traditional Media and Obama’s Support of Sex Shops and Kindergarten Sex Education

By Truthteller on September 13, 2008 at 9:30 PM in Barack Obama, Illinois senate, John McCain, Obama's Thugs, Obamedia

It seems everyone from Bill Burton of the Obama campaign to Jonathan Alter of Newsweek is in a frenzy over the following advertisement aired by the McCain campaign:

Here is Bill Burton’s predictably sanctimonious response:

“It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls – a position that his friend Mitt Romney also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn’t define what honor was. Now we know why[.]”

And here is Jonathan Alter condemning McCain on Charlie Rose’s 11 SEPT 2008 television program during minutes 20:30-23:40 of the following video clip:

According to Jonathan Alter, because McCain “knowingly, intentionally, and shamelessly” “lied” in the advertisement on Obama’s controversial support for a sex education bill, McCain has lost all “moral authority” and is as a result “unable to govern.” Some would call his words an indictment; I view Alter’s lies as shameful and downright perverse.

Alter’s denunciation of McCain is shameful and downright perverse, for it is a knowing, intentional and shameless misrepresentation of McCain’s ad and of Obama’s legislative record. Let us consider the bill in question, SB0099 of the Illinois General Assembly. I quote:

Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K 6 through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV ~~AIDS~~. Nothing in this Section prohibits instruction in sanitation, hygiene or traditional courses in biology.

Not only did Obama vote for and therefore support a bill that mandates sex education for all public school children; this bill was amended in order to ensure sex education would be provided to students from grades kindergarten through 6. How else does one explain the strike through the number six and the underscore below the letter “K” in the text I quote above?

Also shameful and downright perverse about Alter’s performance on Charlie Rose’s show is the silence of the host and the other guests: no one bothered to correct Alter. But even worse, no one bothered to explain how McCain’s decision to air an advertisement that correctly represents Obama’s record in the Illinois state Senate in no way justifies Alter’s hyperbolic claim that McCain is unable to govern.

If these commentators and reporters were not shameful and perverse in their willful, intentional and shameless advocacy for Barack Obama, they would have discussed another problematic aspect of Barack Obama’s record on sex, children and public schools during his tenure in the Illinois state Senate: a “present” vote on SB609, a measure that prohibits the opening of sex shops near schools, places of worship or day care facilities. Here is the synopsis of the bill on which Obama voted “present:”

Provides restrictions on the proximity of adult entertainment establishments to other adult entertainment establishments, schools, parks, places of worship, pre-schools, day care facilities, mobile home parks, or other residential areas. Provides that a violation of this Act is a
separate petty offense for each day of violation.

Shameful and downright perverse is not McCain’s advertisement; shameful and downright perverse is Obama’s support of sex shops and of sex education for students enrolled in public school kindergartens. If a five year old fails to absorb lessons about acts of penetration in the classroom, then he or she will at least see it in storefronts on their way to school: this, I guess, is what Obama was thinking while he was casting and failing to cast votes in the Illinois state Senate. But according to Alter, it is McCain and not Obama who lacks the “moral authority” to govern.

And no, Bill Burton, Obama’s status as father in no way militates against the demonstrably true claims propounded in McCain’s advertisements, for Obama’s children attend private school, not public school.

While it is shameful and downright perverse for Obama to desire to expose young children to the lewdness and scabrousness of sex, sex shops, STDs and acts of penetration, it is even more shameful and downright perverse for the traditional media to “willfully, intentionally and shamelessly” refuse to discuss and analyze these lurid aspects of Obama’s voting record. But then again, all the guests on Charlie Rose’s show were old, white men. And the traditional media, to be sure, enjoys promoting characters who openly profess their warped desire to copulate with Vice Presidential candidates on a set of sheets emblazoned with Barack Obama iconography.

The shameful and downright perverse predilections of Obama and the media apparatus that supports him: apparently this is the change in which parents of young children are expected to believe.

http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

THIS ad is TRUE!
OK let’s look at the facts here. I personally did NOT think that obama actually would support a bill that would teach improper touching from strangers to kindergartener’s but it looks as though I was totally WRONG, to my surprise. Is this guy KIDDING? How DARE he try to have ANY teacher talk to my 5 or 6 year old daughter or son about improper touching? This is an issue that should be done ONLY by parents AT THIS AGE. Gezzzzz…this is so ridiculous that I find it VERY offensive. I understand also that some parents might feel uncomfortable about talking about this with a little one so young but that’s why we have OTHER options. YES you should certainly talk to children of this age about STRANGERS, but that’s where it stops. THIS AGE is entirely TOO young to bring in a conversation into the school system about SEX. At this age kids are taught “STRANGER DANGER” which I might add doesn’t involve SEX EDUCATION for THIS age. Get a grip and raise YOUR kids obama, let us raise ours! Yes this really pissed me off. To think that when my grandson goes to kindergarten that some ’stranger’ is going to discuss the dangers of improper touching to him is UNFLIPPINBELIEVEABLE! I will NOT allow this to happen.

Short and sweet of it? McCain’s ad was CORRECT about obama and sex education.

http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

McCain’s ad was and is correct, and we must hammer this and the rest of his scandals home right now. The media is desperately trying to rescue BHO from his fall and keep any criticism of him from coming in right now because they know he is dangling on the precipice.

So, for us, now is the time to rail on him as hard as possible, with the sex ed scandal, and infanticide, etc.

Now is the time to work overtime to bury Obama’s illegitimate candidacy.

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

The MSM can criticize all they want meanwhile the ads keep on running. The problem for Ohitler now is most Americans feel the MSM is in the tank for Ohitler thus the MSM’s criticisms are falling upon deaf ears. Karma, baby!

Pink Panther

MSM reporters are considered the Country Idiots.

Susan1968

It’s true! Voters don;t trust the press. Look at this quote from a great article:

Pollster Scott Rasmussen finds that 68 percent believe “most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win” and that 51 percent — more than support McCain — believe the press is “trying to hurt” Sarah Palin. The press and the Democratic ticket are paying the price for decades of biased mainstream media coverage.

The irony!

As all th eMaddow and Olbermann types try to help Obama, the more people stop listening to them.

I love it!

Gal from Tex

yes, watching the USC game with hub and someone in the stands holding a big sign: ABC another broadcasting catastrophe.

HAHAHAHAHA

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i2a7maeftqt9 Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

LOL
fluffy bunny

LOL now that’s funny

Peggy Sue

I agree, Paul. As troubling as I find this vote from Our Enlightened One [and trust me I would have been outraged at any sex education for my own 5 or 6 year olds], I personally find the vote on late-term botched abortions beyond the pale. That vote was disgusting and inhumane. Obama has tried to wiggle an explantion, but there is none.

And I’m pro-choice [within limitations].

Voting present on any of these difficult, moral questions doesn’t cut it for a POTUS nominee. Barack Obama has never demonstrated the courage or the conviction to stand on principle alone. He’s never bucked the system or the party. Not once.

Soaring rhetoric doesn’t equal action and/or deed. Words matter but action matters much more.

I may disagree with McCain and Palin on certain issues, but they are who they are.

And they’ll get my vote in November.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

I went to a perfectly normal suburban school for kindergarten.

I remember learning to dance in kindergarten. Learning the proper way to invite the lady, and proper way to hold a lady’s hand, and proper way to touch a lady for a waltz.

I am pretty sure much more than that would have been out of my league, and my classmates as well. Times have changed, but pre-adolescent development towards sex has not.

Learning about STD’s at 5 yrs old. What planet are the geniuses from?

I went to a Catholic school atarting 1st grade, and I cant imagine my sweet 1st grade nun teaching us how to avoid std’s.

My second grade lay teacher was an escaped Nazi. She traumatized most of us without the need to resort to STD terrors.

wry

Johnny, your second grade teacher worked at my school. She taught 5th grade. I would NOT want to learn about anything as beautiful as sex from this woman. I would’ve entered a nunnery.
Almost 40 years later, I can still remember her voice. Eesh.

Tony Stark

This must be the start of the GOP campaign to release stuff they uncovered about Obama’s past. Next week, we’ll probably see more records of what he actually did as a state senator. The vetting of Obama has begun.

[GET ANOTHER USERNAME]

Charlie Rose has so been in tht tank for Obama for so long I can no longer watch him. I can’t believe he allowed himself to get drawn into this Obama nonsense and let it spill over so obviously into his interviewing.

I used to think he was the best of the best and could deftly and insightfully handle a huge range of topics and controversies. But seeing how he led guest to gush over Obama turned me off forever.

One more tragic journalistic loss. And for what?

Gawd knows what SNL will do live tonight…… will they draw and accurate bead or will they turn the whole thing into an anti-Palin trailerpark trash frenzy.

Yo Tina, [DELETED BY ADMIN] is the new black. We believed you. Wazzup?
fif

Would someone please tell me why a Kindergartner needs to know about STD’s? Teaching them about unwanted touching, I understand, but beyond that?

This is the problem with BO: he should be teaching philosophy or Constitutional law or something in a University. He prefers to roam around in his head, forever weighing moral equivalencies, and cannot be decisive and clear as a result. He is not suited to be Commander in Chief. Teacher or preacher–that’s where he belongs.

http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

fif: I think that the teaching of unwanted touching at this age (5 or 6) is unacceptable. That is just too young and should be done by parents. I say this because it might make that age ‘more’ curious IF not told the correct way. What more correct way than told by the parent. OR I would demand to be present when they discussed this with my child, or grandchild. I just think it’s way outta line at that age. Totally.

StrawberrybitesBarky

I spent some time in an ER. The worst case I ever heard of was a six month old baby girl who died from internal bleeding and head injuries due to being repeatedly raped anally and vaginally by her own father. Her mother didn’t think things like that (sex with infants) even existed. Sorry but there are some horrible people out there. I hate Barky but I do wish someone would have told this mother there are bad people out there.

WMCB

Strawberry, that’s horrible. But the point is that a 5 year old needs to be taught by PARENTS who know that child and how much they can comprehend and process. Nobody is arguing that children should not be warned of dangers.

But you could seriously screw up a kids head by some stranger in a classroom telling them more than they need to know about sex, STD’s, fear of strangers and touching, etc.

As a parent, I would be furious if my 5-year-old were given explicit info of that sort, and guess who gets to decide what is too explicit and what is appropriate?

I DO. ME. THE FUCKING PARENT.

StrawberrybitesBarky

You are a good parent. The sad thing is, there are some really shitty ones out there, more than you realize, who don’t give a damn. My kids went to a private school and are now attending a public one. And we have a weird district including some very poor children. These kids are pretty much left on their own. Latch key kids at the age of 5. No parental supervision what so ever. And they become scary. My boys have a 10 year old female stalker. I can’t believe what this girl says and does. The level of sexual behavior and violence stuns me. And she influences other children. She now has this little click of, sexually not age appropriate, girls watching MTV, R rated movies, and god knows what else. Her mother claims to be a Christian who goes to church so it must be my boys. But since she’s never around, how the hell does she know what’s going on? You can be the best and most careful parent in the world but in this day and age when many people don’t give a damn about their kids sometimes the school system may have to step in. Become a PTA member and help craft education. You’ll have your eyes opened. It breaks my heart. My kids are the most important thing in my life.

bemused

This sounds like something that child protective services should know. If they are as overburdened in your state as in mine, it’s like shouting down a well, but still–this girl is not well. Maybe more things are going on. Children who act out like this are often abused.

StrawberrybitesBarky

That’s my guess too. Young girls should not be calling other girls bitches, hos and have other people (teachers and kids alike) afraid of them. The mother screaming that she is being singled out becuase of her religion isn’t helping. We’re working with the school but there’s not much that can be done besides go back to private school. Which doesn’t help improve the lives of poorer students.

Gail

That’s why the bill was introduced – to provide funding and education to train teachers how to teach this subject – are you always this dumb??? And you can be present when your little baby or grandbaby is being taught-no problem, come on in to analyze the person doing the teaching.

just me

Grumpy Gail are you always do damn angry? Every post I have seen of yours your foaming at the mouth you can feel the hate/anger coming out…

I hope your not a teacher And you can be present when your little baby or grandbaby is being taught-no problem, YOUR DUMB! Stop calling everyone else what you come across as your self.

AF catfish

Roam around in his head – precisely.

Brendy

“Rattle” around in his head is more accurate.

frenchman47

I agree with you fif. There is NO reason to talk to kindergarten students about STD’s. On the other hand, given that there are predators lurking in/near most school yards, I think it makes sense for children to learn early about ‘good touch/bad touch,’ and that they be encouraged to tell someone they trust if someone breaks the ‘rule’ with them. There is a small percentage of teachers who are themselves predators which is why it’s a better idea for children’s parents to talk to them about the ‘rule’ and about the child coming to them if someone breaks it; but we all know some parents aren’t comfortable doing so. Anything more than ‘good touch/bad touch’ though is way more information than children at this age need/should have.

beebop

Schools are not the “new parents.” I am sorry to have to say that. Isn’t it enough that they are charged with teaching reading, writing, and the rest? I think that feeding, and sex ed are over the line. This line of reasoning from the people who criticize giving life to a disabled child? Give me an f’ing break!!

Obama [DELETED]

Maybe we don’t understand how prevalent STDs [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR].

[ADMINISTRATOR: YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR USERNAME and the TONE OF YOUR COMMENTS, WHICH ARE RACIALLY CHARGED. UNTIL THEN, YOU'LL REMAIN ON MODERATION.]
fif

p.s. Remember when journalists at least attempted to be objective? They presented the facts and let the viewer decide? It’s gotten so bad, they don’t even pretend to be professional–they practically foam at the mouth in defense of The One. WHO is Jonathan Alter to proclaim that McCain is not morally fit to lead? According to WHO? Some hack Newsweek writer? Who cares?

The panic in the liberal echo chamber is fascinating to watch. They are completely unhinged.

Chicago Joe

Alter has no business commenting on Obama. His mother, Joanne Alter, is a big Obama fundraiser and his family has political connections to him. There is no way he should be featured on any show as an unbiased observer of this election.

WMCB

Truthteller, someone needs to research that bill about the sex shops near schools that Obama voted against.

There were stories at the time in Chicago papers that some machine -connected people were using sex shops as money-laundering facilities for their political kickbacks.

I’ll bet if some intrepid reporter dug far enough, some of those sex shops that Obama did not want shut down were owned by Rezko and Auchi buddies.

http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

WMCB: spot on!
Gail

Keep digging up the stories, I mean lies…..doesn’t seem to take much for you guys.

james andrews

I finally found out what a “community organizer” is in Chicago. This is really taking care of a neighborhood, being neighborly.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/17459370/detail.html

Pink Panther

Ouch!

red_sleeves

Dispensing coke from his rectory?

AF catfish

I think Obama is a space cadet. I can just see him editing “grades 6 through 12″ to say “K through 12.” Because he thinks he’s smarter than everybody else he does a lazy auto-pilot review and trashing of the bill’s text.
[DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR].

[DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR]. Nice piece of community organizing, Barky. Too bad you can’t point to a single positive accomplishment.

Getting rid of sex shops near your black schools could have been a step in the right directions, but now all you have is [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR]. Barky:

http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/03/18/sound-off-half-of-black-teen-girls-has-an-std/

I guess you know[DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR].
Docelder

This campaign is a “slime machine” we have seen the subliminal references to “old-feeble” and “old-pervert” in these last two stories. We do not need this man spearheading the reprogramming of our youth. This campaign uses subliminal tactics of racism, ageism, and class warfare… all willy-nilly. There is no regard for country, for party, for anything except “The One”.

http://medusa2.wordpress.com Medusa

Great research and writing Truthteller. This post should be read by a much larger audience, indeed, everyone needs to know the truth of this outrage!
fluffy bunny

excellent comment

yttik

“It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign”…..to not lay down and let Obama win! Can you believe this guy? He has the nerve to actually cheat by campaigning against Obama! Dispicable, doesn’t McCain have any shame? How dare he try to run against the Messiah!

Honestly, this is what they all sound like.
[CHANGE YOUR USERNAME]

Barky, do us all a favor and [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] Do something we can actually see as an accomplishment.

Start by reducing [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR]. And then get back to us.

[ADMINISTRATOR: LET'S AVOID LECTURING GROUPS OF PEOPLE ON HOW THEY SHOULD BEHAVE OR ACT.]

wry

ENOUGH about sexually transmitted diseases and black girls. Black girls aren’t on trial here. ENOUGH!

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

Another case of lettuce versus arugula eaters.

The Ohitler’s don’t have to worry about what is taught in public school to their little darlings since they go to a private school. The lettuce eaters in the public schools get subjected to whatever madness idiot pols like Ohitler dream up. But their arugula eating kids need not worry!
Crystal

I’m having a hard time understanding what you might teach a 5 year old about sex and STDs? I can understand the logic behind teaching them about inappropriate touching, but I agree that should be a parent’s responsibility. Maybe it should be the parents who should be required to attend a sex ed class? I cannot grasp the purpose of teaching 5 year olds about STDs. I don’t think they would understand. Even if they could understand, if they are being sexually abused, will it matter if they know about herpes or AIDs? Are they gonna remind their abuser to wear a condom? Save the sex ed for puberty. Allow the children to enjoy their innocence.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

Maybe it should be the parents who should be required to attend a sex ed class?

That makes so much more sense.
StrawberrybitesBarky

My kids attended a Catholic school most of their lives, but changed to public a year ago. They were sheltered. On their first week they started taking the bus. These same buses also pick up high schoolers earlier in the day. On the way to school my third grade son found a ‘long white ballon filled with some sort of lotion’ which he picked up, touched and showed to his twin and all his busmates. He got the ‘lotion’ all over his hands and so did his twin as well as other kids. They actually played with it. God forbid they tried to blow it up. He said they didn’t, but kids are kids. Hell, most kids don’t even wash their hands after using the bathroom. Some forms of Hepatitus are spread through touch. We live in a different world. Kids are blitzed with sexual images. Bratz Babies, Hanna Montana, Britney Spears. I’ve even seen hooker and pimp Holloween costumes for kids. Sick crap. PS I think Barky and his 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one of them is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Vicki

The problem isn’t so much the touching; it’s the fear of not being believed and protected if you tell on the perpetrator. Most kids know that being touched inappropriately feels “icky” but typically live in homes where secrets are kept and bad people behave with impunity. They need a safe person to talk to, not a graphic definition of what could happen. Think of how much trauma this kind of “training” would cause to children in normal homes! It’s the sexualizing of children. Ugh!

StrawberrybitesBarky

Have you seen high heels for infants? Msn had the story.

Vicki

I’d hope you were kidding, but sadly I’m sure you are right. Sick.

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

I think its ridiculious how uninformed these people on tv are. How could they dare to discuss something and know nothing about the facts.. this goes for both sides.

I see this all the time and it frustrates the hell out of me. I should be on freakin TV i seem to know more aboout what is going on then 90% of the idiots on there.
DisenfranchisedVoter

My Two Cents Radio is on NOW. Matt is going to interview Larry Sinclair about his relationship with Obama. Listen now:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/My-Two-Cents/2008/09/14/My-Two-Cents-Radio-Show
James

I can’t stand Alter, a hack and a tool.
http://www.governuts.us Agust304

Woo. Stop there. Actually do not stop. Just pause for me to say a few things.

I support sex education. Do I support telling 5 year olds about condoms? I think that is a waste of time. When my kids were five they were wondering how Sponge Bob talked under water. But now I am going to go totally way off subject and then bring it back at the end.

We just had a birthday party here and a relative of mine walked out of the room the moment Sarah Palin’s name was mentioned. She went to the kitchen and started ranting to my son about how his father is obviously a racist for not supporting Obama. She is one of those who is all about the idea that we owe blacks the right to run the country for and because of something we did not do to their ancestors.

Why is this comment on this post. The party was for my 80 year old mother-in-law, who is the sharpest political observer I know today. The relative I speak of .. Well I gave her her first job out of college. I put her in charge of day to day operations of an Illinois House campaign, for a republican. I put her there so she could learn and I could free up a little time to help someone I really believed in, Bobby Rush. For those not initiated Bobby is a black democrat U.S. Congressman that beat down a challenge from Obama in 2000. Bobby found this year he has cancer. His treatment has debilitated him, but he is back in his office working for his people. Yes. He, if I were to speak in my Obama voice, is just a crippled old man.

Every attack Obama threw at Rush in 2000 bounced back in double. Did Obama not learn anything from that campaign? He lost that race by thinking that if he just kept calling his opponent bad names he would win. Obama lost that election two to one (Rush 61% v Obama 30%, other filled the void). Mind you, that this is the only election Obama actually had to stand up and fight to win. And he lost big time.

Now Bobby Rush has joined the ranks of the elected leaders, like Bob Dole, who serve with a disability. Will Obama say that Bobby should not run this year because he can’t orate as forcefully as his throat used to allow him?

No. Obama is afraid of Rush. Rush, while a sitting Congressman, was asked by his sister for help in her first campaign for local office. No matter where he was he made the weekly conference call with us to put in his two cents. And if you know his history his two cents on the subject of organizing are worth more than millions of bright concert spotlights in Berlin. He knows how to energize a community to action. Bobby is the one who moved from agitator to community activist to leader. He is the One.

If Bobby would call me today and ask me to switch my allegiance I would say no. In response, he would not call me names or treat me poorly.

That is the difference between a REAL community oriented person and one who is self serving and angry about the fact that all is not given to them. Oh. Was I describing Michelle?

Before anyone starts googling Bobby Rush I will admit that what he did in the 60s was considered a questionable collection of actions. But what he has done for his constituents over the past 20 years is noble.

Rush has endorsed Obama, In 1991 he was the first elected official to back Bill Clinton, America’s first Black President. The Chicago South Side’s 1st Congressional District includes much of Obama’s State Senate District. Rush may now be on the side of the loser Obama, but he has always been on the side of his people.

Now why am I doing this? Talking about Rush? It is a history lesson. Obama fine toned his dirty Chicago smears, lies and politics after that loss, with the people that hatted Rush. Rush has, during his entire carer, stood up against Mayor Daley and has even tried to beat him. Obama? He is a con man. Period.

He will tell educators that he supports sex education while he sends his wife out to condemn our lifestyles. Oh, yea. She was in Ohio taking care of her kids in Chicago while her husband was in NY, without her, throwing flowers.

Yup. Something stinks here. And it ain’t the fish.

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i2a7maeftqt9 Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

Actually Michelle was NOT at home taking care of the kids on 9/11. She was in Ohio speaking to a bunch of preachers telling them to get out the vote for Obama because it was so crucial that her hubby win the election.

Sorry to break it to you. She ain’t no June Cleaver.

Perry Logan

I don’t think this one is a winner for defeating Obama. A HUGE majority of Americans favor sex education:

Regardless of their political leanings, the majority of American adults (80.4 percent) favors a balanced approach to sex education in schools, including teaching children about both abstinence and other ways of preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases, a University of Pennsylvania study finds.

http://sexualhealth.e-healthsource.com/?p=news1&id=535916

Skinny Little Prig:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyrMS6MBuSg

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

I don’t think this one is a winner for defeating Obama. A HUGE majority of Americans favor sex education.

That is not true. They favor age appropriate sex education which is the point of the ad.

iVet

And if you read the bill and understand how laws are supposed to be read you will see that under section c, items 1-15 all fall under this heading:

“All sex education courses that discuss sexual activity or
behavior shall satisfy the following criteria:”

Is the ‘shall’ permissive? It seems not, ‘shall’ has the force of ‘will’ which means all 15 criteria must be met. To argue that it is just some education about ‘inappropriate touching’ (which is not stated anywhere, but could be implied from the ‘age-appropriate’ language) is either disingenuous (maybe you don’t understand the legislation you vote for) or a lie. If you want legislation about ‘inappropriate touching’ only, you need to be specific. the thing about lawyers, as we can see from debates over the constitution, is that they can always twist things around to call each other liars and get away with it because of the way laws are written and interpreted.

iVet

If you check factcheck.org they do nothing to analyze the law and Emi Kolawole (who wrote the article) is not a lawyer but:

Emi Kolawole earned her B.A. in international relations and theater studies from Wellesley College and studied abroad at both the Panthéon-Sorbonne and the National Theater Institute. She joined the Annenberg Public Policy Center in November, 2005 after working as a news researcher at Congressional Quarterly on issues of defense, foreign policy, intelligence and homeland security. Previously, she was a production assistant at PBS’s “NOW With Bill Moyers,” and worked in the Washington area office of a defense contractor.
http://www.factcheck.org/about/

So she is obviously an unbiased and informed source, being paid by the Annenberg organization and all.

Leisa

How snarky…

So she is obviously an unbiased and informed source, being paid by the Annenberg organization and all.

Above My Pay Grade

Great post!

What I want to know is why Obama and the Illinois senate were too lazy to write separate bills, or sections of the bill for various age groups.

How hard would it have been to write separate standards for say K-2, 3-5, 6-8, and 9-12.

Gail

age appropriate sex education is EXACTLY what this piece of legislation was – can’t you read?

Above My Pay Grade

The bill says “age-appropriate” but does not define what that means.

It did, however, mandate that ALL sex-ed classes discuss, STD’s, HIV, contraceptives and condoms, among other things.

There was no mention, nothing, zilch, nada, about protecting kids from pedaphiles, which is the LIE, FALSEHOOD, UNTRUTH, that Obama told to defend his support for this perverted law.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

Do most Americans believe sex shops should be built next to elementary schools and day care centerS?

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

That was a picture of a sex shop? I thought it was Barack’s walk-in closet!

db

LOL!

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

Perry, you really are a knucklehead or just a lazy reader.

If you read to the bottom of the link you quoted you find the following:

The findings were published in the November issue of the journal Archives of Pediatrics &

Adolescent Medicine

.

More information
The Nemours Foundation has more about

teen sexual health

.

The bold empahsis is mine.

They are talking about education for TEENS not KINDERGARTENERS.

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

They are talking about education for TEENS not KINDERGARTENERS.

You prove my point that Americans approve age appropriate sex education. And I knew that without spending a dime conducting a study.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

“I don’t think this one (Sex Ed for 5 year olds) is a winner for defeating Obama.”

If that is your point, I fail to see how I proved it.

The bill supported by Obama mandates sex ed for all grades k – 12. The article quoted in the comment shows that American’s approve of sex ed for teens.

Teens would be Grade 7 – 12, not K -6.

anonymous

My older sister sent her twins (a boy and a girl) to LAB school here in Chicago. In their 6th grade year, the school held a dance for the kids. My sister (an involved parent) got wind that the “unofficial theme” of the dance was to be ‘pimps & ho’s’. Obviously concerned, she spoke with other parents and the school administration. The response from the other parents and the administration, wait for it . . . “that’s just what all the kids think is cool these days, its no big deal.”

Suffice it to say, she’d had her doubts about the Hyde Park mentality before but that sealed it. She pulled the kids out of that system and they are now in an appropriate educational environment with an excellent academic reputation.

I should add that as the children’s aunt (and a proponent of liberal arts education) I was stunned and then pretty good and angry that this so called “school of academic excellence” was so laissez-faire about this inept lack of a moral age-development-appropriate compass. My niece and my nephew, whom I’ve known and loved since birth, in an environment that glorifies sexual dehumanization which was supposed to be one of guiding their development of their best, highest selves!?! Ugh! Ptewee!

Just saying.

http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

the “unofficial theme” of the dance was to be ‘pimps & ho’s’.

That would explain the high incidence of STD’s.
ritamary

Pimps and hos was the theme at a University of Chicago Lab School party??????? This is what parents are paying over $20,000 a year in tuition for?

SJ

We are all for sex education but lets get serious if you are going to teach it in Kindergarten hell why not start in Pre-K, that may work.

The problem here is the ages that they want to introduce this to, Obama’s is one sick cookie

Docelder

It’s the whole “nanny state” thing. These groups want to ingrain in these kids as early as possible that the family unit is not the final authority. It is actually a strike at the literal family unit itself and the very moral authority parents have to raise their children.

vee

I think that there are few parents who address the inappropriate touch subject with children. I think there is a lot of media “teaching” about sex that is harmful and it would be good to have age appropriate education on human sexuality. That does not mean explicit sex education for small children as that would not be age appropriate.

I think this ad is genius for putting a label of sex advocate on Obama. We know how our society is about sex. Good job Repubs.

McCain ’08
Brendy

How do WE – as parents – KNOW what they would actually ‘teach’ or ‘say’? Do you think your child would come home from Kindergarten and tell us all about it? In most cases, either they (the kids) would forget what was told to them, or they would be kind of embarrassed (and, yes, SOME kids would shy away from talking about such stuff to their parents – even at that age) and wouldn’t even mention it. I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS SAID OR WHAT WAS NOT SAID to my child! We’re talking about 5-6 year olds, here! Let them be kids, let them be innocent for a little while. Most parents are decent and good parents and know how to protect their children and that goes for telling them the dangers about strangers and/or others who might touch them in the ‘wrong’ places. I guess everyone in the school system – or in the political arena – thinks all parents are dumber than rocks!
imustprotest

Well they say everything you need to know you learn in kindergarten….but in this case, maybe not. I happen to be a kindergarten teacher. We have 4 rules in my class which apply to most every situation:

#1: Raise your hand to speak…(shouting out is just jibber-jabber in my brain!)

#2: Keep your hands to yourself

#3: Use quiet, inside voices

#4: Use walking feet

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

You mean there is no “wash your sex toys after each use” rule? Obama is right! What the hell is wrong with you neanderthals here on NQ?

Seriously those sound like reasonable rules.
bemused

Now look how simple these rules are: this is what is age-appropriate for a kindergartner. They are just not ready to deal with concepts of STDs and contraception. But the way the law is stated, this is what would have to be presented. And I agree with all the above who said it should be the parent who talks about stranger touching first. They should have the child’s first trust and the teacher is getting way too personal. (of course we know there are bad parents and good teachers who rescue children from bad parents–I’m talking ideals)
Brendy

My children’s school rules were “respect other student’s property (school supplies, etc. – DON’T STEAL)” in addition to what you just stated.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

When he was head coach of the Oakland Raiders, Coach Madden had only 3 rules for his players to follow.

So, your kindergarteners are one step ahead of NFL players!

Larse12

This was just sent to me by my nephew in Mpls. Mn. He is 28 years old and absolutley loves Obama!!!
How should I respond back???????
___________________________________________________

We as americans need to start basing our decisions on facts, intelligence and morality. Not on sex,race, religion(which is supposed to be separate from state according to our founding fathers) and other things out of our public servants control……

Please take 5 minutes to read

Here is mccain’s real background from a legitimate source:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid=%7B4914192B-12AF-4623-AB18-5EFE91204B04%7D&print=true&dist=printMidSection

A little Obama reality:

http://obamasresume.org/

Please tell everyone your know. My unborn child and your children are depending on a better tomorrow……..

Lipstick LaPig

Ask him what he thinks about Obama’s 180 degree turn on FISA and the Iraq war, the moment he was nominated.
There are many links that expose Obama.
Here is one to start him on:
httpCOLON//www.nytimesDOTcom/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelonDOThtml

If this doesn’t get him thinking, he doesn’t want to think.
bemused

The argument against McCain is that he hasn’t accomplished great things in the Senate. Show me who did. They are all fighting each other. I would say perhaps he did not set the world on fire with grand visions and programs, but that does not mean he would not make a good president. The president who actually tries to find a middle way for everyone is sure to be pretty bland. I would be more impressed by the the people McCain has around him. Palin was obviously a brilliant choice because, no matter what qualities she has otherwise, she has the quality of attracting voters and that’s what matters most. Do not fall in the trap of expecting anyone to be 100% on every point you like, that would be unrealistic. Better to compare and see which candidate comes out ahead in qualities you like. Out of two candidates, it should be easy to make this comparison.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

He is 28 years old and absolutley loves Obama!!!

Give him a pamphlet on STD’s and warn him about Larry Sinclair.

Alice Paul

I have finally realized that I am much more a moderate than anything else. To far to the right or left and you loose me.

I remember last year I believe it was Massachusetts that wanted to or did pass a law where they could dispense birth control to children as young as eleven.

Now I have a fifteen year old daughter. I know that she couldn’t even remember to take her vitamin every day at eleven, no less take a BC pill regularly. If the government is going to step in and do this to my child then will they take care of her when she gets pregnant or sit with her when shes sick with AIDS.

I also read somewhere that BO would not prosecute someone for taking a minor child (that is not theirs) across state lines to get an abortion! Unless there is abuse in the family (then a judge should step in) this should not be something another adult should be able to do to your child.
The Sane John

I raised a son and as a responsible parent I talked to him about the “improper touching” issue as delicately and clearly as I could considering he was 5 and going to pre-school. It was not a responsibility I was going to hand over to a teacher. The teacher could very well be the one I was warning him about. I don’t need the state to do my job as parent for me. I know my child and I know how to present this information without ruining his innocence at that age. I don’t need cookie-cutter state-approved scripts for raising children.
Hmmmmmm

Barack Obama won so many states in the primaries because of Republicans crossign over and voting for him due to the fact they did not want Hillary Clinton to win.Obama was always ther weaker candidate in a GE. Everybody knew that was happening except demcorats.

Mccain/Palin 2008 and HRC 2012

http://firefox AnnieCarmel

Yes, when Obama won in GA, my relatives were having hysterics, laughing their heads off. They all know what to do. Hillary was the bigger challenge and they set the stage to run against the other guy. That’s how they keep the south red. Thank goodness this time.

charles monaghan

To all McCain/Palin supporters and Hillary past supporters…PLEASE write to vemocgh@aol.com for some shocking truth about what ABC did…please write”
Lipstick LaPig

More than likely, Obama didn’t realize what he was voting for.
He should stick to voting “Present.”
Margie

I am livid @ the MSM and what they are doing borders on communism!! A lot of people are not on this site and do not have computers; they do not know what we know about this idiot. The MSM are trying to select our POTUS; as Pelosi and Dean selected the Democratic candidate! What they did to Hillary and what they are doing to Sara is unbelievable, in this country!! Who in the hell, in their right mind would want this POS in the oval office. Where is the news on the lawsuit which questions that this POS is even eligible to become POTUS; where is the news on his associations…has this POS any decent associations…I don’t think so!!We have to do something and maybe it is that we file a class action lawsuit against the MSM for suppressing critical information that could indeed be critical to our national security and why? Because they have not vetted him and they are defaming anyone that is qualified and patriotic to our country! We have to do something to get the word out to the voters that do not know what we know about the real Obama!!
Arabella Trefoil

Tell me I am not hallucinating.

What do you call the icon thingy that appears in the tab? I have an Aunt Jemima icon (really!) on my No Quarter tab instead of the usual No Quarter icon. Confluence’s idon is the same as ever, and so are the other tabs I have open on the browser.

I am serious.

I think I’m using Internet Explorer as a browser.

Thanks!

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

Everything is normal here.

Andy

Truthteller:

Thank you for an absolutely excellent post. I very much wanted to have NQ’s take on all of this.

I happened to watch Charlie Rose’s on Thursday and saw
in dismay Jonathan Alter there sitting in his high horse full of feign anger ( my take he was angry about the polls) and go on and on and on in with his sanctimonious self-righteous condemnation.

He said McCain was “dishonorable” for running this ad. Since then, besides Alter, I heard EJDionne on NPR, Mark Shields (on The News Hour) and David Corn (from Mother Jones onthe Diane Rehm show) all use the SAME words to describe McCain for running this ad; the key one being “dishonorable”.
Obama gave his marchining orders to the press on Thursday: strip “Honor” from McCain. And the MSM as usual is stupidly obliging…

Unbelievable…

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

I am glad you enjoy the essay. What is your opinion of Obama’s present vote on a bill prohibiting the establishment of sex shops next to day care centers?

Andy

Truthteller:

Shameful !!!! I didn’t know about that before you wrote it up. It angers me a lot. We recently lost a campaign to prevent a porno video store (toys&lingerie included) to come to the neighborhood; it’s within 8 blocks from a school.
Andy

Truthteller:

Sorry to be O/T but wanted to alert you to Jennifer Rubin’s article on Obama and the Woods Fund (it’s excellent).

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-woods-fund/

(submitted to RCP– we’ll see if it gets enough votes)

http://JohnMcCain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

Too bad for those idiots in the MSM as they have become laughing stocks to the majority of Americans. Ohitler’s dishonor campaign will fall upon deaf ears meanwhile McCain can run whatever ads he wants.

anonymous

I agree with Margie.

Is the electoral college going to be a repeat of the democratic primary with the superdelegates? I am worried about it. Electors are not named until Nov. 4th, with all BHO’s hundreds of middle-east millions, can we feel that confident in the integrity of the electoral college vote? (Oh right, a $1000.00 fine for not following the popular vote, what a disincentive!)

I’ve had a sinking feeling since Bush II.

blog force one

Mcain Palin victory party Nov, 5th! they will win over 300 Electoral votes!
Margie

It is frightening!! This man has not been elected to any office; he has cheated and berated anyone who ever ran against him. I have never seen the MSM; this bad and am so worried about our country. Is the general election going to be fixed for him? You really have to wonder about it and still I ask; why would anyone want him in the oval office? He is not qualified even to be a border guard with his associations!!!!
fluffy bunny

Don’t worry. Bush won Ohio fair and square in 2004. Kerry was a terrible candidate…and still almost won because Bush is so weak.

The FL thing in 2000 was crazy, but only because the voting was so strange. It was dumbass dems in Palm Beach County who invented that “butterfly ballot” that so flummoxed voters. The recounts went to Bush even if you counted “pregnant” ballots and all that nonsense. And military absentee ballots weren’t all counted, and they were majority Bush also.

I voted for Nader that year, so I didn’t have a dog in the fight….

If McCain wins a state big, the electoral college votes will be awarded to him. If the state vote is really close, that’s where I’d worry about the Obama people trying something sneaky.

doc99

The slogan at the Cook County Board of Elections is “I See Dead People.”

fluffy bunny

Also shameful and downright perverse about Alter’s performance on Charlie Rose’s show is the silence of the host and the other guests: no one bothered to correct Alter. But even worse, no one bothered to explain how McCain’s decision to air an advertisement that correctly represents Obama’s record in the Illinois state Senate in no way justifies Alter’s hyperbolic claim that McCain is unable to govern.

Were they silent, or did they rush to agree with him?

After the ABC debate where Stephanopolis asked about Ayers, John Kerry rushed out and put strong statements supporting Obama’s lie on the web and even went on news shows … and now looks like a total fool. If the rest of the pundits didn’t fall all over themselves with “me too” types of statements that may show that they aren’t eager to throw themselves and their credibility under that Obama bus.
Alice Paul

OT but did anyone see the opening skit for SNL.

Tina Fey did do Governor Palin but it was a definite dig at her. Saying she was the mayor of the Meth capital of the country and she didn’t know what the Bush doctrine was.

They had Amy Poller doing Clinton and I felt they were trying to tell Clinton supporters she’s no Hillary!

Guess SNL is off my list of shows to watch.

fluffy bunny

Um, I coulda told you that. It is on NBC, after all.

blog force one

obambi bailed out on his appearance on SNL tonite… Because of hurricane ike was his reason… I BET DOLLARS 2 DONUTS HE REALLY BAILED BECAUSE HE WAS AFRAID OF TINA FEY! his skin is soooo thin like a blanched tomato that he could not face a skit with Fey playing Sarah Palin teasing his self absorbed ‘holiness”!!!
fluffy bunny

I personally don’t like the ad. No, I don’t support sex ed for kiddies, and yes, I know the bill really did contain quite explicit stuff that was “approved” for ages 5-8, and yes that is wildly inappropriate.

However, unless there is more documentation (Chicago Annenberg Challenge funds to said program, approved while Obama was executive director, for example) I don’t know that it was a good idea to drop this nuclear bomb at this time.

Now, if Obama’s CAC did get behind funding this crap that he voted for in the IL State Senate, and McCain’s campaign has those goods, well…..then it was a brilliant move. The Obama protests and accusations open that CAC document door.
Diana L. C.

As a retired teacher, I am more tired of having to try to do the parents’ and the communities’ work for them. Give them sex education. Teach them not to take drugs. Teach them responsibility. Teach them manners. I signed on to teach English, but no one seemed to care if I really knew anything about English (which I did/do) because with everything else, I had little time to teach English.

I wish the ad would have been directed more at the failures of the public school system and Obama’s record of not improving it and not trusting it enough to send his girls there. Make him defend is work with the Annenberg project there. Attack him on his one job that gave him “executive” experience. Open that can of worms instead.

StrawberrybitesBarky

BINGO!!!! Teachers are caught between a rock and a hard place. Responsible parents can’t fathom having the school system teach their kids things that should be taught at home and shitty parents have to have the school system raise their kids for them. Teachers deserve sainthood and a big, fat raise.

vinnie

Teachers deserve sainthood and a big, fat raise.

I second that!

AnnieO

As a former teacher, I’m with you on that!

Brendy

In way TOO many cases, the school – the teachers ARE the ones who, not only educate, but teach life skills and moral lessons and manners, too. What a sad country this has become, in where the parent (usually a single parent home – but not always) expects the teacher to do what the PARENT(s) should do.

yoman

Sarah Palin sparks an Annie Oakley woman’s movement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIdhCL928I

AnnieO

Here’s BO’s new ad on women (only kidding)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxY9rZwNGU

anonymous

People-

There is an electoral college which actually elects the Pres. and VP. Not so much us, though our popular votes are recorded. Members of the electoral college are expected to follow the majority vote in their state and in (I think 29) are required to by state law. If, in those 29(?), they don’t follow the majority vote the fine for deviating to another candidate is $1,000.00 (gasp).

The electoral college members for any state are required to be determined by Nov. 4th, the day of the election. We cannot know who they are before they vote, though the party leaders are no doubt filtering and figuring before Nov. 4th.

I don’t think everyone’s corrupt, I’m just pointing out the weakness in the system that no one seems to talk about. I’m a little worried, like I said up-stream because of Obama’s democratic primary windfall.

Thoughts?

vinnie

who monitors the electoral members of the state?

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Faithless Electors
“Faithless Electors” are members of the Electoral College who, for whatever reason, do not vote for their party’s designated candidate.

Since the founding of the Electoral College, there have been 157 faithless electors. 71 of these votes were changed because the original candidate died before the day on which the Electoral College cast its votes. Three of the votes were not cast at all as three electors chose to abstain from casting their electoral vote for any candidate. The other 82 electoral votes were changed on the personal initiative of the elector.

Sometimes electors change their votes in large groups, such as when 23 Virginia electors acted together in 1836. Many times, however, these electors stood alone in their decisions. As of the 2004 election, no elector has changed the outcome of an election by voting against his or her party’s designated candidate.

Despite these 157 faithless votes, and a Supreme Court ruling allowing states to empower political parties to require formal pledges from presidential electors (Ray v Blair, 343 US 214), 21 states still do not require their members of the Electoral College to vote for their party’s designated candidate.

The 29 states (plus the District of Columbia) that do require faithfulness issue a small variety of rarely enforced punishments for faithless electors, including fines and misdemeanors.

The names, dates, and stories of these 156 votes are listed below:

2004 – Anonymous (Democrat, Minnesota)

2000 – Barbara Lett-Simmons (Democrat, District of Columbia)

1988 – Margaret Leach (Democrat, West Virginia)

1976 – Mike Padden (Republican, Washington)

1972 – Roger L. MacBride (Republican, Virginia)

1968 – Dr. Lloyd W. Bailey (Republican, North Carolina)

1960 – Henry D. Irwin (Republican, Oklahoma)

1956 – W.F. Turner (Democrat, Alabama)

1948 – Preston Parks (Democrat, Tennessee)

1912 – Eight Republican Electors

1896 – Four People’s Party Electors

1872 – Sixty-Three Democratic Electors

1836 – Twenty-Three Democratic Electors (Virginia)

1832 – Thirty-Two Democratic Electors (PA, MD)

1828 – Seven Democratic Electors (Georgia)

1820 – William Plummer, Sr. (Democratic-Republican, NH)

1812 – Three Federalist Electors

1808 – Six Democratic-Republican Electors

1796 – Samuel Miles (Federalist, Pennsylvania)

2004 – Anonymous (Democrat, Minnesota)
An unknown elector from Minnesota, pledged to vote for Democrat John Kerry, cast a presidential vote instead for Kerry’s running mate John Edwards (the elector also cast his or her vice presidential vote for Edwards.) One Minnesota elector, who believed the Edwards vote must have been a mistake, said “I’m certainly glad the Electoral College isn’t separated by one vote.”

Full List

2000 – Barbara Lett-Simmons (Democrat, District of Columbia)
Barbara Lett-Simmons, a Democratic elector from the District of Columbia, did not cast her vote in order to protest the lack of congressional representation for Washington, DC. Lett-Simmons was the first elector to abstain from voting since 1832. Her abstention did not affect the outcome of the election.

Full List

1988 – Margaret Leach (Democrat, West Virginia)
Margaret Leach, a nurse from Huntington, WV, was pledged to the Democratic Party. During the Electoral College process, Leach learned that members of the Electoral College were not required to vote for the candidates they were pledged to. Upon learning this, she decided to draw more attention to the situation by switching her votes for president and vice president. She cast her presidential vote for Lloyd Bentsen, the
Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, and cast her vice presidential vote for Michael Dukakis, the Democratic presidential candidate.

Leach tried to convince other electors to join her, but hers remained the only unexpected vote.

Full List

1976 – Mike Padden (Republican, Washington)
Mike Padden, a lawyer from Spokane, WA, was pledged to vote for Gerald Ford, the 1976 Republican candidate for president. Instead Padden voted for Ronald Reagan, who had run in the Republican primary and lost. For vice president he voted for Robert Dole, Gerald Ford’s running mate.

Full List

1972 – Roger L. MacBride (Republican, Virginia)
Roger L. MacBride was pledged to the Republican party of Virginia. However, in the 1972 election, MacBride did not cast his electoral vote for Richard Nixon, the Republican presidential candidate, but for John Hospers, the Libertarian presidential candidate.

He also cast his vice presidential vote for Toni Nathan, the Libertarian vice presidential candidate, (making Nathan the first woman to receive an electoral vote). MacBride ran as the Libertarian candidate for president in the next election but did not receive any electoral votes.

Full List

1968 – Dr. Lloyd W. Bailey (Republican, North Carolina)
Dr. Lloyd W. Bailey was an elector for the Republican Party of North Carolina. He did not vote for Richard Nixon however, but for George Wallace, the presidential candidate for the American Independence Party. (Wallace received a total of 46 electoral votes).

Bailey claimed that Nixon had done some things that displeased him (like appointing Henry Kissinger and Daniel Moynihan) and so he decided not to vote for him. He also protested that he had never signed a pledge promising to vote for any particular candidate and that his vote for Wallace was justified because Wallace was the winner in Bailey’s district.

Bailey later admitted at a Senate hearing that he would have voted for Richard Nixon if his vote would have altered the outcome of the election.

Full List

1960 – Henry D. Irwin (Republican, Oklahoma)
Henry D. Irwin, a Republican elector from Oklahoma, was originally pledged to Richard Nixon. Irwin later admitted in an interview with CBS that he “could not stomach” Nixon. He tried to convince the Democratic and Republican electors to reject both Kennedy and Nixon as presidential candidates. His choice replacement was a combination of two conservative senators: Harry F. Byrd of Virginia and Barry Goldwater of Arizona. In fact, he sent out telegrams to the other electors.

One telegram sent to the 218 Republican electors read:

“I am Oklahoma Republican elector. The Republican electors cannot deny the election to Kennedy. Sufficient conservative Democratic electors available to deny labor Socialist nominee. Would you consider Byrd President, Goldwater Vice President, or wire any acceptable substitute. All replies strict confidence.”

Irwin received several replies (about 40) from other electors but he was the only one to vote against his designated party. He cast his electoral votes for Byrd and Goldwater.

In the same election 14 unpledged electors (eight from Mississippi and six from Alabama) cast their presidential votes for Harry Byrd. All 14 also voted for Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina as vice president.

http://www.fairvote.org/whopicks/?page=973&mode=showallbig&offset=5

vinnie

OMG, should we be worried about this? I mean, if it’s that close wouldn’t people like these have the ultimate power?

Margie

You are exactly right and with what we witnessed with Hillary winning the states that one would need to win the GE and Obama getting the nod; not to mention what was done to Hillary with my state (Florida) and with Michigan; this could be a fix from beginning to end with Obama. They threw our votes out once; what makes anyone think they won’t throw all of our votes out and the electoral college will put him in! If he pulls this off; think i will re-locate to Alaska; where i am sure i will feel safer than in any of the lower 48

vee

I forgot to make a couple of comments on that worthless writer for Newsweek, Alter.

Before I canceled my subscription to Newsweek because of their outrageous bias for Obama, I read a few of his columns. The hyperbole was so over the top in praise for Obama I actually wondered if Alter had gotten high before writing them.

Also, where was Alter’s outrage when Team Obama was making false attacks of racism against the Clintons. Where was Alter’s outrage when time after time the media was willing to label people not voting for Obama as racists?
iVet

Latest attack coming on Gov. Palin:

Hit Piece on Palin in NYT Tomorrow [Mark Hemingway]
Here’s the headline — “Once Elected, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes” and here’s the crux of it:

Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials.

The strong language above isn’t remotely justified by the thin gruel that follows. Jen Rubin goes through the article thoroughly and finds it seriously wanting.

But again, the whole thing is just appalling. The New York Times hasn’t begun to investigate Obama’s deeply problematic background, nor have they run anything about him that has such an obvious and cringe inducing negative slant. Alas, it’s just par for the course at the Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin

Who would have thought that anyone in Alaska’s government might have negative things to say about someone who tried to clean it up?

ritamary

The New York Times has zero credibility after acting as cheerleaders for the invasion of Iraq. This is like the article in Vanity Fair a few months ago smearing Bill Clinton. Someone’s friend’s coworker overheard on the elevator that Bill Clinton is definitely having an affair with somebody.

anonymous

Vinnie-

I’ve no clue and am not sure that anyone else does either. The Gov. of each state submits the names of the electors on Nov. 4th.

vinnie

yikes. I’m with you, it leaves room for shenanigans and dirty play…I don’t put anything past those Democratic thugs. I saw too many ugliness during the caucuses.

JM08

SNL is on NBC …. Expected bias
anonymous

Vinnie-

I should rephrase more accurately. There’s no federal or state law on who may become an electoral member for a state except that they cannot be federal appointees or (possibly) employees. Outside of that it is open season for each party to submit a list that the Governor ultimately submits to the feds as the official electoral members for that state. The list is due on Nov. 4th. There’s an existing list for the 2004 election, state by state on the electoral college web site – but according to the rules, there’s no reason to believe the same people are the electoral college for any given state.
Above My Pay Grade

The following is an excerpt from “The Hiding Place” by Corrie Ten Boom. For those who have not read it, it is the story of how Corrie and her family, all devout Christians, hid Jews from the Nazi’s in the occupied Holland, and all ended up in Nazi concentration camps.

I believe the passage sums up why Obama’s vote in favor of sex ed for 5 year olds is so wrong.

“Once–I must have been ten or eleven–I asked Father about a poem we had read at school the winter before. One line had described “a young man whose face was not shadowed by sexsin.” I had been far too shy to ask the teacher what it meant, and Mama had blushed scarlet when I consulted her. In those days just after the turn of the century sex was never discussed, even at home.

So the line stuck in my head. ”Sex,” I was pretty sure, meant whether you were a boy or a girl, and “sin” made Tante Jans very angry, but what the two together meant I could not imagine. And so, seated next to Father in the train compartment, I suddenly asked, “Father, what is sexsin?”

He turned to look at me, as he always did when answering a question, but to my surprise he said nothing. At last he stood up, lifted his traveling case from the rack over our heads, and set it on the floor.

“Will you carry it off the train, Corrie?” he said.

I stood up and tugged at it. It was crammed with watches and spare parts he had purchased that morning.

“It’s too heavy,” I said.

“Yes,” he said. ”And it would be a pretty poor father who would ask his little girl to carry such a load. It’s the same way, Corrie, with knowledge. Some knowledge is too heavy for children. When you are older and stronger you can bear it. For now you must trust me to carry it for you.”

Brendy

“Yes,” he said. ”And it would be a pretty poor father who would ask his little girl to carry such a load. It’s the same way, Corrie, with knowledge. Some knowledge is too heavy for children. When you are older and stronger you can bear it. For now you must trust me to carry it for you.”

**
How absolutely BEAUTIFUL; makes me want to cry. And, HOW SO TRUE THAT STATEMENT IS! Thanks for sharing!
sage

“Yes,” he said. ”And it would be a pretty poor father who would ask his little girl to carry such a load. It’s the same way, Corrie, with knowledge. Some knowledge is too heavy for children. When you are older and stronger you can bear it. For now you must trust me to carry it for you.”

A previous poster commented on how beautiful the quote was……it admittedly is, and awful idealized as well. We would all love it if the world worked out just the way it does in our stories..

…but what happens when Papa is not there to carry the load for the girl. What happens when the little girl is at school and a pedophile just happens to be there too, and touches her in a way that she does not know is wrong? How can she know that sex is wrong if she doesn’t even know what it is?

bethtopaz

Here’s a great takeoff on Obama and his media surrogates:

http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=n1ronxelmtin

Above My Pay Grade

ROTFL! Perfect!
Firefly

That was great!
Rose

This is the BEST I’ve seen!

Dead on!

iVet

I just sent the following email to Clark Hoyt, the Ombudsman at the NYT (not like he really cares and I am sure he will just delete it). Anyone who is concerned about their recent coverage can email him at: public@nytimes.com. His phone number is (212) 556-7652.

Why has your paper worked so diligently to get every piece of information available to draw innuendos to slur Governor Palin, but not looked into the many questionable relationships in Senator Obama’s past? Why no investigation into his association with organizations like the Woods Fund of Chicago, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the Gamaliel Foundation? Is it possible that non-profit money has been used to buy political influence? There are many things that many people are concerned about this election, but you seem to be overly concerned with trying to attack anyone who dares to present a challenge to your favorite candidate. Have you ever looked into allegations that caucuses in the Democratic primaries were manipulated to get the ‘correct’ outcome? There is a growing movement of people who are tired of what we perceive as your manipulation of the news and the scandalous behavior of many elements of the new DNC political machine in this election. Have you done much looking into any of that with the zeal in which you have attacked Governor Palin? You are losing credibility outside of your insular world. What is wrong with addressing legitimate concerns about someone who you want to install as our next President?
anonymous

People-

I know the electoral college seems a bridge too far to start taking on. I feel the same way. But, for heaven’s sake we cannot falter in the face of what feels insurmountable. We’re PUMAS! Were not just disgusted with the DNC and the horrific mistreatment of Hillary in the primary – we’re just as abhorrent over the treatment of Palin.

I’m stitching together my own theory here as I go, so I don’t pretend to know more than anyone else, but: don’t we see a weird confluence between bush and obama, their method of campaigning, the empty words, the arrogance, etc. I remember wondering when Bush won his 2nd. election if there wasn’t some bargain to the dems; namely, your turn next, so long as he’s our guy.

The Chicago Combine (as its called) plays both sides of the aisle. There’s no question about the middle-eastern hundreds of millions of dollars. Rezko was the tip of the iceberg. I am seriously worried!

Please! Country First! Courage!!!!!

fluffy bunny

Really, don’t worry so much…I put this on an earlier comment:

Don’t worry. Bush won Ohio fair and square in 2004. Kerry was a terrible candidate…and still almost won because Bush is so weak.

The FL thing in 2000 was crazy, but only because the voting was so strange. It was dumbass dems in Palm Beach County who invented that “butterfly ballot” that so flummoxed voters. The recounts went to Bush even if you counted “pregnant” ballots and all that nonsense. And military absentee ballots weren’t all counted, and they were majority Bush also.

I voted for Nader that year, so I didn’t have a dog in the fight….

If McCain wins a state big, the electoral college votes will be awarded to him. If the state vote is really close, that’s where I’d worry about the Obama people trying something sneaky.

So the place to focus is on getting people to vote against Obama. If they can’t vote repubolican, they need to vote for Nader or another 3rd party–DO NOT leave the top of the ballot blank. If it’s blank the Obama folks could “help” to select the candidate you obviously meant to vote for, right?

If the margin of the vote is clear in a state, the electors won’t give their state’s votes to the opposite party…and if they tried, they would likely lose a lawsuit.

SensibleWomanNOTforBO

Sex ed for kids in K, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and possibly higher(it REALLY all depends on the individual child and their ability to grasp certain things) is the STUPIDEST thing I’ve ever heard! What a perfect doorway for some damn pervert to trick a child into “here, let me show you how to do this.” Everybody KNOWS perverts first work to win the trust of their victims. This will just provide another way to do so IMO. And it isn’t just male perverts in the schools these days either.

My adult children ALREADY have conversations with their kids on a level that they understand and that’s all they need. NO stranger, teacher, or whomever needs to be discussing such intimate things with kids and risk eroding their natural tendency to be modest.

This BS pisses me off.
http://www.overstream.net/view.php?oid=i2a7maeftqt9 Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

You know i am a firm believer that sex education is dependent on age appropriateness.

As my grandmother said to me, “Birds, bees and pubic hair.”

I really don’t think America is keen on the idea of their kindergarnters coming home and asking:

“Mommy, how come Barney doesn’t have a penis?”
James

Nutjob Obama supporter Rhodes claims Palin sleeps with teenage boys.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/13/the-latest-sarah-palin-smear-from-the-left-teen-molester/

ritamary

Randi Rhodes fell off a step while exiting a bar in New York. She must have inflicted serious brain damage on herself in addition to knocking out her own teeth.

What a brilliant way with words Ms. Rhodes has. From calling HRC and Geraldine Ferraro big fucking whores to accusing Sarah Palin of being a child molester. With friends like Randi Rhodes, Obummer does not need enemies.

anonymous

fluffy bunny-

With all due respect, who or what files suit against the electoral votes that go against the popular vote? Electors may vote as they see fit, and even in the strictest of states – the punishment for doing otherwise is merely a $1,000.00 fine.
Brian_C82

I think a lot of the sex education in schools does more harm than good. The sex ed classes I took in high school and junior high were a farce. They tried to scare everyone into not having sex by showing photos of people infected with STD’s and exaggerating the threat of diseases like AIDS. Predictably, those kinds of scare tactics never worked.

Sex education classes in public schools tend to be loose with the facts and heavy on propaganda. I’m all for age appropriate sex education, but it should be grounded in science and not some radical social agenda. Teaching kindergartners about AIDS and STD’s is totally ridiculous and borderline perverse.
Pat

In my opinion there is an age of innocense that should remain innocent. To teach a child too young sex eduacation robs them of their innocense.It is kind of like Adam & Eve they did not know of evil until they were tempted and indulged in the sin that cast them from the garden.They were so happy and free until as the story goes sin was introduced into thier lives through the act of sin lead by temptation or reason.They acted and sinned and Thus they covered their nakedness in shame.Before they ate of the tree of knowledge they did not know that they were naked. Hope I explained that right.
hootnannie

In general, the MSM has been sinking farther and farther into the sewage-filled tank of far-left culture. Traditional morality is scoffed at, and libertinism is lauded. It makes me wonder if Obama is even worse than I imagined, considering the way these people adore him. They are determined to destroy the moral foundation of this country and build it back up on the quivering sand of amorality. Palin represents everything they hate and fear.

wodiej

agreed….there has to be some sense of good and evil, right and wrong in society. All the way to the White House John and Sara!! I am volunteering to help them in the election.

Alien

But Obama’s daughters go to exclusive private schools -they are not subject to this act. It is only for the plebs at the public schools.
Eden

Could someone please take a copy of this proof to The View and shove it down Joy Behar’s throat?

In her utter blind following of that fraud she has displayed once again her ignorance of the facts, now at the peril of young children.

These asswipes on my television have gotten away with screwing with morality for far too long.
SportPolitics

Well, I deeply appreciate this site, I finally have a basis to at least believe in a strained hope that most or even all democrats aren’t utterly insane. Unfortunately it leaves me at a place whereby I have concluded the democrats who used to pull the Obama stuff on the republicans, with their MSM adherents doing the same thing, that Hillary’s people are painfully aware of now, really knew what they were doing then, and I expet them to go back to it as soon as political opportunity arises, and I expect the MSM to make their swing to them as well.
I am sorry for those who feel injured by this statement, and perhaps I’m wrong, perhaps some portion of half the people of the democratic party have suddenly come out of the woodwork, but then that wouldn’t negate the real VAST CONSPIRACY staring you in the faces right now.
The absolute skum layer of the left, and the MSM’s fawning and lying complicity.
Yes, this is what republicans have put up with for decades, the exact same thing, forever, as long as I’ve been around.
It’s scary how insidious the lies and games are, as in the Jonathan Alter commentary pointed out.
Anyway, good for the people of this site, I’m no republican nor democrat either, will never be either or any other party as far as I can tell, they all get about 1/2 wrong, but I never agreed with the civil case or false and contrived and produced “crimes” by investigation nor the ensuing attacks on Bill Clinton by corrupt republican idiots.
I am VERY HAPPY many Hillary supporters now SEE and FEEL what republicans have put up with for so long, what I’ve noticed, and am disgusted by, the endless lies and obfuscation and cheating and hypocrisy.
I have a faint hope it will help clear some of the massive problems up, since approximately half the democrat party is keenly aware of it having now been on the short side of the receiving stick.
As way of introduction, my political philosophy is “tell the truth, then really try to do something about it wherever it leads, and I attack all liars vigorously because they deserve it” – so wind up liking some very different figures, when I assess them as truth tellers. Bernie Sanders, Bob Novak, Mike Gravel, Sarah Palin, Duncan Hunter, I used to like Charles Schumer when I saw him lay to waste the entire House during the impeachment crap with the truth noone else would speak.
So, my opinions can change as well, but I’d like to thank all the “PUMA” types here for basically reducing my fear of an insane public and admit I have personally checked this Obama nomination and conclude it was unfairly stolen by flat out corruption (not a lot needed, things were close but it is obvious by the evidence nonetheles).
I was extremely put off by the demands Hillary step aside before things were any where near settled and by my take even as she led. That was amazing to me.
I guess in way of being cautious and kinder than I am, my condolences to the Hillary supporters for having gone through the mess, and I say that with half a mind and less than half a heart for the 2000, and 2004 similar issues in the general, and recognize you’ve suffered, for some of you, 3 (well 2.5: *1primary) in a row. Youch.
I ask only that you be aware of this massively biased situaton you find yourselves in perped by Obama-ites and the usual MSM, and at least make effort to “play fair with the truth” years down the road as you are now, when things such as party nominees are different.
I wonder if this wasn’t too long, but I’ve been reading for months, and finally decided to make a post.
Since some of my comments are not exactly friendly, I’d like to emphasize that I appreciate this site for coming out with truth “against part of their own party” (as Palin is said to have done in some big cases) and as laying waste to the left O wing lies of the msm players as well. You do deserve a very large award for that. Timely and perhaps with an expiration date, (lol so sorry couldn’t help it) but an award nonetheless.
wodiej

Good God, Obama voted for sex ed for kindergarten kids and then voted present for porn shops near schools?? Hello?! Can people say “unfit for command”?? But then I read a small part of the hollywood directors disgusting remark about how he wanted to have sex w Palin on sheets emblazoned w Obama’s name. These are the kinds of people we are dealing with on Obama’s side. I don’t see how anyone could still be undecided on whether to vote for Obama-it should be a resounding NO.

richasis

let the culture war(s) begin!

doc99

Jimi Hendrix to Barry – “Are You Experienced?”

The poll suggests that perceived inexperience is more of a problem at the top of the Democratic ticket than in the No. 2 spot for Republicans.

Eighty percent say McCain, with nearly three decades in Congress, has the right experience to be president. Just 46 percent say Obama, now in his fourth year in the Senate, is experienced enough.

Fully 47 percent say Obama lacks the proper experience — an even worse reading than the 36 percent who had the same criticism about McCain running mate Sarah Palin, serving her second year as Alaska governor after being a small-town mayor.

“This is his fourth year in the Senate, and two of those four years he spent campaigning for president,” said Arthur Koch, 63, an undecided voter from Wallington, N.J. “I’m not too comfortable with that.”

doc99

Of course the AP Headline reads –

Whites lift McCain to slim lead over Obama in poll.

When the dust settles, all Barry has are platitudes, slogans and an endless deck of Race Cards.

NO B.O. – something stinks!

Obama made it clear that at least one reason he supported the bill was that it would help teach young kids to recognize inappropriate behavior and pedophiles. The problem with this excuse is that pedophilia is nowhere in the bill. The other problem is that in 1999, Barack Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to vote AGAINST a bill that prohibited convicted criminal sex abusers from getting early release. The amendment to the “County Jail Good Behavior Allowance Act” provided that a person in a county jail may not receive a good behavior allowance if he is convicted of criminal sexual assault against a minor who is also a family member or if the criminal were to be convicted of criminal sexual abuse or aggravated sexual abuse.

And it was scary and humorous last night to watch story about this on Anderson Cooper, when his reporter quoted “non-partisan” group Factcheck.org has stated that the ad was misleading and out of bounds. Even they don’t know that Factcheck.org is a VERY partisan group, owned and operated by Obama’s and Ayers’ Annenberg Foundation friends!
[YOUR USERNAME IS DISGUSTING]

Thanks Hollywood, rap music, addicts and black thugs who made it okay to degrade women,[DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR -- YOU ARE BANNED PERMANENTLY.]
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

So, explain to us how STD’s are transmitted, and how to avoid them without talking about sex.

Start with the first word in the acronym STD.
imustprotest

why does it include kindergaraten?
iVet

You complaint is disingenuous. The bill says:

(b) All public elementary, junior high, and senior high
school classes that teach sex education and discuss sexual
activity or behavior shall……

So, if you want to split hairs, it doesn’t establish ‘new’ programs, but if there were no kindergarten sex-ed programs, why would the bill be changed to address them? That is the point of the outrage is that kids in kindergarten don’t need their teaches subjecting them to this type of education. It is scary enough for them and their teachers are often still strangers for them and the last thing they need is to talk about sex with their teachers, even if ‘inappropriate touching’ is the topic as Senator Obama claims. Funny that that term is no where in the bill.

You and Senator Obama miss the point entirely on people’s anger about these programs. I am not surprised though with Senator Obama. He learned education theory through his marxist upbringing and at the knee and through the books of Bill Ayers. You do realize he is an ‘education expert’ now? Marxists (as well as those discussing Utopian society back to Plato’s Republic) always try to take control of the minds of the youth as way to separate them from the views of their parents. It is a classic technique to gain control of society and Senator Obama learned it well through the Gamaliel Foundation and all his other shady associations.

Just thought you might want to know why some people might object and not be too impressed by your simplistic dismissal of our anger.

If the DNC has been taken over by Marxists, this is the exact type of thing we need to speak out against. Where has the center gone?
http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 Vince P

Here is Barack Obama in 2007 at Planned Parenthood mocking Alan Keyes who had accused Obama of the same thing as in the McCain ad

Notice how he imitates Alan’s voice.. yeah that’s Mr Unity for you.

“Now keep in mind that we’ve been in this fight, Pam and I, back in Illinois when I was the chairman of the Health Care Committee, helped to push through legislation. And I remember Alan Keyes, I ran against Alan Keyes [laughter] I don’t know if you guys remember Alan Keyes. But I remember him using this in a, his campaign against me saying, [mimicking Alan Keyes] “Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergartners.” [Laughter] And, which I didn’t know what to tell him.

But it’s the right thing to do, you know, to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in the schools.”
SteveS

News flash – most of us DO teach our children about this at home. Where do you get off making such a blanket accusation? Is this part of your power struggle for the ‘hearts and minds’ of our children – to turn them into little robots to respond to your latest, faddish pathos?

You and your ilk have immeasurably complicated my role as a parent. Not only do teach my children, but I must also “unteach” the garbage being spewed out by the public educators. My son is not told that humans are often poor stewards of the earth; no, he is told that we are the enemy of the earth. My son is not told that self-discipline leads to greater rewards; no, he is told that he is likely to screw up anyway, so he might as well make the best of it. My son is not taught that he is a unique and valuable person; no, he is taught that diversity means nobody is special.

And you wonderful, expert educators wonder at the despair of the younger generation. You are guilty of instilling it, because of your despair that the rest of society, the rest of the world does not think as you do. You project your shortcomings onto everyone else. GO BACK TO THE STALINST CAMPS THAT BRED YOU.
IndianaDem

The link broke. I’ll try again:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session
IndianaDem

What I find perverse is the McCain campaigns shameless misrepresentation of the bill in their attack ad.

This reveals much about their tactics, I think.