Hillary Did The Right Thing… Really!

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“Morbid as it sounds, I think she will have a much stronger chance to win… as a widow. ”

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THAT IS A HORRIBLE THING TO SAY!!!

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!!!

HILLARY LOST BECAUSE OF OVERWHELMING CHEATING BY THE OBAMA TEAM,

NOT BECAUSE OF BILL!!

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Hillary is no spring chicken and she may be way too old to be running for
POTUS by the time Bill dies.

I have to agree with you Breeze!!  We have to hope Bill lasts as long as the man who refuses to die, dick cheney.  Hillary should be a viable candidate in 2012 simply based on all the ugliness that has and will continue to be brought to light about this idiot-in-chief.  What bugs me to no end is that weasels like obamadinejad and his minions relied on the fact that if Hillary took them on, it would be construed as sour grapes.  Sometimes sour grapes = truth and we should not be afraid to speak it!!!

“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

Uh, yeah.  If the real caucus counts ever see the disinfecting light of day in what is laughingly referred to as the msm, anyone with the ability to do simple math will see the disconnect between the caucus votes and primary votes (in the same states).  Washington state had a 16 point spread and no one of any heft seemed to bat an eye at that.

And then there was the intimidation of the superdels.  That has its own chapter.

And then there was the intimidation of convention delegates who tried to go for a roll call.  Another chapter.

And I agree wholeheartedly with John.  Two of the best heads in politics and government.  What would be wrong with that?  At this point, I’d go for an entire coalition government.

Big Dawg is definitely an asset, not a liability.  Sheesh, he’s going to go all around the country stumping for Democratic candidates because he has the Midas touch and Obama is the kiss of death.

Steve, Great points.

Hillary is not a “Thumb Sucker”!

She won the primary and watched the DNC give it to The One.
She steped back and served her Country and her Party by taking
the Position at State. I respect her for that.

Her supporters, many on this site have gone into exile to await the inevetable.

The “Community Organizer” is having his lunch eaten every day by the formen Mayor Of Wasilla. SAD! Just plain Sad!

“You aint seen nothing yet”

The next two years will be very painful for our country and the Democratic Party.

Independents have left the Party in droves.
African Americans, understandably, have remained loyal.

Will they sit out 2012 when (not if) Hillary challenges and wins the nomination.

The Party will have to weigh that against the loss of the “Independents”.

They are rioting in the streets of Athens, Rome and Belfast.
Can New York,  L. A. and Washington be far behind.

Tip O’Neal said “All Polotics is local”.
Think about that.
NO!  I mean REALLY think about that!

When the 7 to 800 billion stimulus was passed, it was for “shovel ready jobs”

BUT —- Where were they?? No where! Why?? Failure at the LOCAL level.

In my state of New York Ther were NO plans at the state or Local level on the books.

Why!  A combination of a lack of VISION and GUTS by local leaders.

We need “Modern Rail” for “Container Freight”, but we have not developed the plans.

We need modern “Ports” in Buffalo and Rochester, but no plans.

High Speed Rail — yep— no plans.

Think about this:

The Great State of New York, that had a vision and spent 16 years in development, Built tbhe Eie Canal, Changed the economy of the State and Nation, Can’t plan for HighSpeed Rail.

The Great State Of New York, that borders two Great Lakes, can’t develope harbers to ferry containers across to Canada.

We need leaders with visions for what the future can be.
We need leaders with the guts to not take no for an answer.
We need leaders at the State and Local level that will plan seven generations into the future.

To Hillary supporters in exil:
Get out and run for Local & State Office.
Push a positive vision of the future.

Hillary will not declare in 2012!
The party will turn to Hillary in 2012 the way Britain turned to Churchill in 1940.

Be ready!
Get in position!
That call WILL come!

It is a curse  to live in exciting times.
It is a double curse to have a vision during such times.

But it is your DUTY to step up.
Plato, in The Republic, explains the reluctant leader with a vision,  is the best.

“Trouble!” shouted Zorba.
“The only time you don’t have trouble is when you are dead.”
“To be alive is to un buckle your belt a notch or two and go look for trouble.”

You time has come to step out of exile.

Catch you down the road.
Bill

Nope Seymour, that’s how I feel. At this point in time, I could not vote for Hillary. Been there done that and don’t plan on doing it anytime soon. And would never vote for her on a ticket with that POS CIC.

It doesn’t apply right now because O doesn’t have a freaking clue what he’s doing and he needs Bill to clean up his messes. That’s how it works now. Funny, but some of the “complaints about Hillary being named VP” was that with her, came Bill, and the Obama’s didn’t want anything to do with that. But instead, they call on Bill all the time when they’re in over their heads. Personally, I would still love for both of them to tell him to kiss their ass. To say that both of them are doing it for the love of the country, nope, I see it as love of their party and since 2008, I could care less about the party. So for me, wrong move on Hillary being SOS and for Bill to bail out Obama.

Dayglow Cheetos, progressive, all hyped Obama up as the Anti-Clinton. Obama used Clinton and Nixon in the same sentance many times to demonstrate what a failure they both were.

Hillary can use the “I’m doing it for the country” line, and Bill can think he’s the wise elderly Democratic statesman, but it all underlies the whole premise of the rise of Obama.

For me, it just goes to show how far the Clintons will sink to take one in the gut for the Democratic Party. Have they no priniciples, self respect…..shame? There’s gonna be a whole lot of cabooses wishing they haven’t got themselves hitched to the Obama train, in 2010, 2012 and beyond…

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Did you tackle that trouble that came your way
With a resolute heart and cheerful?
Or hide your face from the light of day
With a craven soul and fearful?
Oh, a trouble’s a ton, or a trouble’s an ounce,
Or a trouble is what you make it.
And it isn’t the fact that you’re hurt that counts,
But only how did you take it?

You are beaten to earth? Well, well, what’s that?
Come up with a smiling face.
It’s nothing against you to fall down flat,
But to lie there — that’s disgrace.
The harder you’re thrown, why the higher you bounce;
Be proud of your blackened eye!
It isn’t the fact that you’re licked that counts;
It’s how did you fight and why?

And though you be done to death, what then?
If you battled the best you could;
If you played your part in the world of men,
Why, the Critic will call it good.
Death comes with a crawl, or comes with a pounce,
And whether he’s slow or spry,
It isn’t the fact that you’re dead that counts,
But only, how did you die?

Even if it were true, I’m not sure that would be true now.  BO the Inexperienced is asking for more and more help from Bill.

On another site, I heard a new name for the First Couple – The First F*ckUps  ROFL

Keep it up, lorac.  It would make me “very” happy.  Maybe I’ll try it, too .

Steve you touched on something that I agree with.  If Hillary’s advisors had gone out and challenged the corruption in the primary she would, because the DNC had made up its mind on the winner, have still lost AND she would have been labeled a crybaby sore looser.

I disagree with your assessment on Bill Clinton.  He has turned out to be one of our country’s greatest post-presidential assets.   He has raised money for relief efforts and he is effective because simply:  People around the world like him and trust him.  A blow job here.. a fib there..  He was a great middle of the road guy that we suffered little from.

We suffer greatly now from the current guy.  The Beefy – Flabby Armed, pig-faced Woman, who controls the Skinny, Big – Eared Erkle character sitting in the Oval Office thinks she beat and is Hillary.

That ho is wrong!

I love that photo.  For me that says everything about Hillary Clinton, one of those pictures worth a thousand words.

I still have this picture on my fridge, along with those of friends , children and grandchildren.

I have never seen what other choice Hillary had other than accepting the SOS position. Had she remained in NY. She would have been forced to vote for all of the Obamessiah’s BS policies. Face it…a yes vote from Hillary on his POS healthcare scam would have doomed her for all time. While had she voted against it…it would have been played off as sour grapes over the election and doomed her equally as much. As SOS, she can and has helped the US save atleast some face with the rest of the world. Other world leaders are actively talking about what a joke Obama is…But other then jerkoff Chavez and his ilk…You do not hear them disrespecting Hillary!

 She has been using the opportunity to gain vastly superior foreign policy experience than any potential rival candidate I can even think of. Remember they were constantly bashing Hillary for not having what they considered experience while they lauded O’s lack of experience as a virtue…Now she has expertise in that area, that they cannot deny. And Obama’s lack therof has proven a disaster time and again. Not to mention…consider how deep of shit we would be in right now with the rest of the world, had Barry made another of his corrupt incompetent a-hole minnions SOS!!

I just want to see Hillary not Hillary and Bill,not Hillary and Obama.
She can stand on her own and fail on her own,  I respect that. 
I still like this lady despite, the men in her life.

Nor I.  It would break my heart but I would never support a ticket with Barack Obama on it.  Not even Hillary Clinton could change my mind on that one.

Steve—-excuse me. Hillary did the most admiral thing by agreeing to serve her country as Sec’y of State regardless who is President? Really?
With all due respect, that is the most patronizing definition of what Hillary did that I’ve ever read.
Voluntarily working for a sexist Chicago thug who orchestrated the biggest rape of a political primary system in the history of the Democratic Party is not admiral. The fact that Hillary did that is incredibly heartbreaking and disappointing, to say the least. It beggars description.
 But it’s what  Democratic men have depended on for decades. It’s always been their bread and butter—-their everlasting succor. The acquiescence of “the little woman” in helping to keep Democratic men in power, sustaineth them.
It’s beyond disgusting.

sorry “admirable”……..It’s late here in the great state of tejas!

You really know how to wind everyone up! >:o

Texas???

The problem is that Hillary will have to rebuild a Democratic Party that will be in ruins by the time the Loser in the White House leaves office. It was disgust with the LBJ administration that ultimately helped Nixon win office in 1968, and I think whoever the GOP presidential nominee is in 2012 will take advantage of the same kind of sentiment against the Democrats in 2012.

She’s a rock star, don’t every forget it!

A too-high price to pay for what most would interpret as a pity party, serving up sour grapes.

I agree with that. What I do not agree with and do not condone is Hillary and Bill force feeding Obama’s leftist agenda on the majority of American’s that do not want it.

Wanting to serve her country is not selling out.

Shilling for the leftist anti-business and anti-private sector job agenda to keep her career moving is selling out.

I grew up in Oklahoma. One thing I never will forget is how many times I heard growing up to never trust anybody from Arkansas. I don’t know the folk wisdom in that. Maybe it has something to do with Arkansas travelers. Which is how I see both the Clinton’s… opportunists and polished Arkansas travelers. I would rather keep Barky with a republican house and senate than to have to worry about what Hillary would do to us. But the Clintons are in campaign mode now… starting with the wedding and the press will want to relive the Clinton years. We are being setup for another Clinton WH run it looks like. Barky is just there because he was historic and he will take the fall for the dream list of socialistic programs he has signed off on. Hillary and Bill were right there. They wanted what Barky did as much as anybody, but they were too smart to do it to us themselves. So they pimped out Barky.

If Hillary wants to be a LEADER she needs to shed the slime of Obama’s leftist agenda and stop forcing it onthe majority of Americans that do not want it.

For whatever good the Clinton’s have ever done they will always be defined for enabling the left wing agenda of Obama.

Bill Clinton is the biggest asset the Democratic party has. 

Dario—-Hillary is all grown up. There is not a more intelligent, strong and determined woman than she, in my opinion.
So, she definitely had a choice, and to say she didn’t ………well, you need to view her as an adult in a free society. She’s not wearing a burqa…yet.

Right on to this comment! If ya ask me Bill C is busy laying the groundwork now. You think he’s ‘saving’ obama’s butt for FREE? Hell no. For everyone he helps there is one more voice in 2012 whispering in Axlerod’s ear – your man has to go. Bill Clinton can collect a bunch of chits for his wife this fall. Obama fails even more on cue for the next 2 years – and then quits. Enter Hillary. 
Sounds far fetched But are Democrats really going to sit back and watch Obama implode forever? No. The bitterness in D.C. Dem ranks is already palpable. 2 more years of crappy employment and obama will be shown the door…and he’ll run thru it. A life time of golfing awaits! 

This is simply not true. 

This is a buzz word filled nonsense. Hillary plays hard. SOS Clinton has not ‘helped’ Obama’s domestic nonsense at all. It, in fact, removed her from having to vote in the Senate. A very astute move indeed.  And Obama’s agenda is pro business GOP crap cloaked in liberal jargon. THe GOP is against it for political motives…smart ones, too. They’ll win big in Nov. 
Calling Obama a ‘socialist’ means one thing: You do not know any real socialists. 

You only presented Obama’s side/wishes in your hypothetical statement.  You also need to factor in Hillary’s wishes.  He may beg her all he wants, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to get her as VP.

And as I’ve said before, I think if she wanted to be VP, she could have had it in 08.  I don’t think she wants it any more now than then.

You’re a wise man, Dario.

Thanks. I know I shouldn’t do this here. If anybody thinks there is any difference between Hillary and Obama… well I don’t see it. I remember these stories. the Sir Edmund Hillary story, the Benazir Bhutto story, the landing under fire with sinbad story, and there is the convenien southern accent only when she wants to have one. She went to Mexico looked at the Lady of Guadalupe and then asked “who painted it”? It is exactly like Barky. Exactly.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/10/18/hillary-rodham-clinton-finally-admits-she-was-not-named-after-sir-edmund-hillary-of-mt-everest-fame-really/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/28/2007-12-28_hillary_shared_a_bond_with_bhutto.html?ref=rss

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/03/05/what-is-hillary-clinton-pretended-to-be-now-southern/

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/hillary_clinton_leaves_flowers_for_our_lady_of_guadalupe_asks_who_painted_it/

 Not to mention…consider how deep of shit we would be in right now with the rest of the world, had Barry made another of his corrupt incompetent a-hole minnions SOS!!
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Good point-POdVet

fearless, I miss that sprit.
Great photo.

Excellent article Steve.  I do think Bill hurt Hillary some in the beginning of the campaign.  It seemed as though the media was more focused on him and not her.  He was the first to suffer the racism tag.  Which is unreal, since he was “the first black president.”  Also, Bill did not have faith that women would get behind Hillary. And there were grumblings among women about the fact that she didn’t leave Bill over Monica (really now…who would leave Bill? for what….kidding…..)  Hillary changed so many people’s minds about their ideas of her by the end of her run didn’t she!

With that being said, I am glad Hillary became SOS.  If she were to run in 2012, she would be the most experienced candidate out of any possible candidates I can think of at this moment.

I think that independents woul be pick Hillary over Sarah Palin.  I like Sarah Palin, but I don’t think that people are going to give an inexperienced person a chance like they did Obama.

With respect to how Hillary could not come out more openly about the primary fraud, I agree with your opinion, Steve.

If Hillary runs as VP to Obama, I won’t vote for that ticket. If she runs, I will campaign for her and probably take all my vacation time from work to travel for her during the primaries.

I really hope she runs. GoHillaryGo!

Ohhhh I’m sure, no doubt you are life and soul of the party. Easier to laugh than get all twisted out of shape! Plus I’d rather have laughter lines than frown lines…. We can but live and learn!

Duly noted. You’re perspective is always important to me ~~JustMe~~.

lorac—-But she didn’t HAVE to! She chose to.
She was a Senator working for the people of New York.

John: SOS Clinton has not ‘helped’ Obama’s domestic nonsense at all. It, in fact, removed her from having to vote in the Senate.

I agree with this statement 100%.  Even when she revealed the adm’s plan to sue Arizona, she never said anything to indicate that she supported it.  Matter of fact, it probably rattled the DOJ because I doubt that they really intended to sue.  Appearing to “support” Latinos is all they wanted to accomplish.  Another curious thing, there was not a single statement from anyone in the adm. acknowledging Hillary’s disclosure.  

When Obama announced Hillary as SOS, he was deliberate in assigning his own people at the UN (Rice) appointed several special envoys reporting to him directly.  It makes me think that perhaps, he really just wanted to make Hillary appear “small”  But so far, everything has turned out for the better for Hillary and not so good for Obama; making it obvious that Obama is just a lump of coal to Hillary’s diamond.  November 3 should be most interesting.

Steve and Carla,
Loved your sentiment and comments.  Looking back at each of the decisions Hillary had to make, she did do the only thing she could do and remain above the cluster that this administration is.

With respect to her not being able to speak out about the primary and caucus fraud, I wonder, if she should run in 2012, could clips from GiGi Gaston’s documentary be used in ads against the Skinny One?

By the time 2012 rolls around, the Dems ought to fully realize that Zero is not there for them.  He’s clearly out for himself and could give a rat’s patoot whether the House turns over or he loses Senate seats.  As was said on Morning Joe, he’s looking out for his legacy, not the Party. 

That’s a pretty clear observation to many of us who have recoiled against his arrogance and thin-skinned petulance for what now seems like an eternity.  Perhaps the Dems still standing after 2010 will recognize that Hillary was The One all along.  It was she that swallowed their sh#* and continued to be the loyal, hard working Democrat.  Her gracious demeanor has won over a lot who may have thought her imperious.  Next to her, Obama looks like what he is.  A sniveling, whining, finger-pointing narcissist.  Just maybe someone in the party will walk, then run, right past the current president into Hillary’s arms.

Well, I can dream, can’t I?

Could not have said that any better myself…..

No longer banned, Bill Clinton will always be defined by a blow-job no matter what his other accomplisments. 

And at least in our house Hillary Clinton will always be defined as the woman that went to work for the guy that made her and her husband out to be racists.

Hillary supporters, of which I was one, can find any explanations or excuses or whatever helps them keep supporting her. I am done with the Clintons.

And if Biden is scuttled, poor health perhaps, and she runs as VPOTUS with Obama, whatever respect I ever had for her will be gone.

Like so many said in 2008, I want to see a woman president, just not this woman. I didn’t agree with that statement then. I do now.

Very good points, POdVet. 

Releif efforts–just received n email from BC’s foundation. Remember Haiti?

Here is what happened, regarding Bill Clinton’s impact on Hillary’s nomination for Dems:

The DNC did not want Hillary as their nominee, because they knew that the general election would then be all about Monica Lewinsky; and that was probably true. The GOP would be running Lewinsky, the blue dress, and all of the other women in Bill Clinton’s life constantly in ads and speeches. 

The DNC cheated–caucuses from Iowa to Nevada to Texas were rife with Obama campaign corruption, and the votes in Michigan and Florida were blatantly perverted to help Obama win the nomination. 

All of it was done with an eye toward pushing Obama across the finish line for the Nomination. Hillary Clinton gave it her all, played fair, and, because the DNC cheated, she was robbed of the nomination. 

But she didn’t pout like some around here; she didn’t quit. She stood tall and proud, and took on the job of Secretary of State, because, in the end, she is a stateswoman who loves her country, and in the end, the best revenge is doing what is right. People admire and respect her for her mature choice. 

Some times, for the greater good, you have to leave it all on he track.

I’m disappointed that she didn’t call out the behind-the-scene thuggery going on at the convention. Was that so the Party wouldn’t be fractured? Look at the state of the Party today.

I’m in CA which went to Hillary, but my vote didn’t count. It was, as so many of yours, dismissed in a effort to coronate That (historic) One.

Exactly.  When voters are unhappy with a pol of one party they don’t replace him with a pol from the same party.  See:  Bush, George W.

I’m a small business owner and I’d like a lot more love. I’m sick and tired of “business” being slimed with a broad brush. It’s what  has allow most of us a pretty good quality of life.

As Geraldine Farraro said, if he were white and/or female he never would have made it this far. And as I’ve said before, we now know that POTUS can be an entry-level position. How alarmingly sad.

No Noogan, evidently what you cannot fathom is that someone may legitimently simply not agree with you.

People that think she sold out by going to work for the man that made her and her husband out to be racists are pouting?

I don’t agree with you POV but I think you have a perfect right to hold it. You on the other hand don’t seem to think those that don’t have that POV do.

Who’s being juvenile and petty?

You guys must live in a fantasy world. Hillary’s brand has been permanently damaged when she and her husband played the race card in 2008. At one point she had more black support than Obama, but she will never ever regain that trust she has so casually tossed away. She won’t be able to turn out black voters in future elections, and without African American support, she has no chance of winning the general election.

Saw this post last night sorry to see it is still up today.   Steve in KC, I think you came here to try and bury Cesar.   I thought your essay had some good thoughts in it and you had me following along till you got to the last two paragraphs when you slid your knife in.

If you are sincere in your concern over the Clinton marriage, all I can suggest is that you take a lesson from your cat and  – get over it!    Get Over It. 
Finally, get over it!  
Or put another way – At long last, sir, have you no shame?

You know what that means really? Both the far right and elements of the left handed us Barky because they knew he would fail. So, the only thing that won in 2008 was politics itself. Makes me want to start completely over. Too bad that isn’t an option.

Steve in KC,
I remember your previous entries, and enjoyed your sense of humor. Only one portion of my comment relates to your topic.
In 2008, one block of the Democratic Party was dismissed as uneducated white racists, feminists, and gays. The media and democrats, as well, asked where they were going to go. Where indeed?
I did not read the “Rush” thread until yesterday. Blame MY wicked sense of humor, but I have not seen such a butt-kicking since a fight broke out at Peggy Ann’s drive-in on a Friday night in July, 1960.
To redeem myself somewhat, my friend Carolyn would pick me up in a T-Model Ford. Can you imagine the value of that car today?
Carolyn was the daughter of a Baptist minister and a brilliant student, who coached women’s basketball until her death three years ago.
Nostalgia has a place, but reality is essential!

And, I am not the only one:

I Condemn the NAACP: It Is Simply a Political Toolby Richard E. DimeryI condemn the NAACP. I condemn them for allowing the group to be used as a political tool to do the dirty work of the progressive movement. Instead of criticizing tea parties, the NAACP would be better served denouncing the racist comments made by a member of the New Black Panther Party and their voter intimidation outside a Philadelphia polling place in the last presidential election.I condemn the NAACP, along with every race-baiting, sinful thinking poverty pimp and addle-pated black, brown and white denier of truth. The truth is, I believe, that they conduct and have conducted themselves as if there were no God — as if there were no Constitution — as if there had never been hard-fought civil rights victories.They have dishonored the memory of that great American, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Almost two-score and seven years ago, he urged us all that Abraham Lincoln was due respect for the Emancipation. King urged us to expect America to deliver to all men the “riches of freedom and the security of justice.” He urged us to come together in brotherhood. He implored us to be not bitter, nor guilty of wrongful deeds. Finally, it was King’s hope that all would be judged by content of character above all else.

A misguided segment of our society continues to condone, approve, and thereby encourage wrongful deeds of evil men. After King’s death, traitors to his teachings and beliefs were allowed to rise. Their reckoning with their God and conscience will come, in time.
http://biggovernment.com/rdimery/2010/07/16/i-condemn-the-naacp-it-is-simply-a-political-tool/#more-145074

Hillary Clinton didn’t lose credibility; she gained respect, even from former foes, many of whom have given her credit for her statesmanlike actions and her hard work as Secretary of State. 

Give me a break. Politics is dirty; that’s no lie. It was fought with a vengeance between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. But BOTH men were statesmen; both loved their country, and despite their personal differences in perspectives, they both contributed their all to their country. 

Aww, poor Kenosha Marge. I must have struck a nerve when I said I cannot fathom how people could attack Hillary Clinton–who they previously loved–for being a stateswoman and putting her country above petty politics!

Ha, hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

Why, after all, Marge, did you like Hillary Clinton, if you would throw her away for dedicating herself to her country instead of pouting like some whiney-ass-titty-baby [which would be what Obama would do!]. 

So basically in the end, petty people like you, Marge WANT Hillary Clinton to behave like Barack Obama would behave, blaming everyone else for your troubles, instead of standing up and behaving like a stateswoman and devoting your life–as you always had done–to your COUNTRY.

Pathetic. Petty. Hypocritical. Juvenile. 

I will tell you the truth. I never liked Bill Clinton and I never voted for the man. I think his “globalization” policy has been an utter disaster. It is destroying our sovereign interests and our middle class. 

But I always admired and respected Hillary Clinton. And, I still do. 

I do not always agree with her policy on Israel. But I respect and admire a woman who is so strong, and so devoted to her country, that she doesn’t let anything get in the way of that, even when her “party” stabs her in the back. That’s what I call courage. 

Sure she did. She had a CHOICE. And she chose: Country. Service to Country. 

You can call it “pouting”. I call it opening my eyes. And I’m quite tired of hearing “she did it for love of country”. For god sake, if she loved this country that much, she would have kicked his ass to the curb, and told what was really going on. Hell even Bill said that after the “election” he was going to “expose” shit. He never did. Why? I even say that about Bush now, if he “really loved his country as much as the right wants to say, why the hell is he silent on Obama? They both have to know what a POS Obama is and how truly dangerous he is. They both are silent. But I won’t be anymore. If you hung with Obama and did his bidding, you’re on my shit list for enabling him.

Hillary and Bill are practically the only assets left in the dem party. It amazes me what she did…she won the primaries despite the DNC and the media being 100% against her and working at every turn to portray her as having been tromped by BO and stealing her delegates and behaving in every illegal and horrible way imaginable. The press is no more, journalistic ethics dead.

For those who say she should’ve fought against BO…to what end? The press would never, ever cover her arguments and it would only be the faithful and the determined who would know the truth about what she was saying. For all we know she did try to make more of an argument and saw how quickly it would be twisted and turned against her or her family. Remember her admiration for Bobby and what happened there…you’d think she hired the assination of Bobby Kennedy. (and there are enough gopers with CDS to believe anything negative about Hillary and Bill.)

Plus, I believe she wanted to keep her options open. She probably thought BO would fail and that the dem party would need another nominee in the future. If she were to have a chance at being nominated in the future she’d have to be a party player and support their ridiculous candidate. One doesn’t win the nomination of the party without the parties consent…Obama made that clear. Secretary of State has been a great cover for her…it addresses one of her  perceived weaknesses, foreign policy, giving her more cred than anyone on that regard, and it gets her away from obamacare, being too close to bo’s incompetence on the oil spill, war voting and funding (remember how “she voted for the war” was a meme that completely disregarded the words that Hillary said on the Senate floor after 9/11…you had to go and listen to old senate video to find out what really happened?)

Plus, for Hllary to be an effective leader she has to combat sexism and CDS…and, like the tortoise, every day she gains a little ground earning more reluctant respect from those who tried to destroy her.

I am in awe of the woman. I don’t believe any other politician in America would’ve continued to fight for the nomination the way she did…no one else would have had the strength nor the commitment. And she didn’t have to scream “fight, fight, fight” like McCain did. And, for Hillary to go from that long arduous race to being the non-stop Secretary of State that she is…OMG.

Lastly…McCain was a moderate repub and socially more liberal than most…but for me, a lifelong former dem, , I might have to sit out voting if BO goes against Huckabee or something. I wouldn’t be able to vote for either of them. My point just being that republicans played a role in bo winning the nom, spreading CDS on the web, and frakking around in the dem process. They haven’t, as far as I know, changed their social policies and become the voice of equality and peace and secular government for all people regardless of race, gender, sexual preference and disability.

I have no idea what will happen next year…and for all I know the plan was put in motion a long time ago. Perhaps, the deal was that Hillary would support BO and if he fell below 50% he wouldn’t run again…we just don’t know. Personally I can’t see BO running when it’s going to be so much work and he won’t win. He tires so easily, and he has a rage response when embarassed. Does he really want his name linked to Carter’s? I’m sure he’d much rather be associated with LBJ, but still different. Better to go out being able to claim that the US is too ignorant to know what is good for it, then to have the voters tell you you’re an abject failure.

Again, I don’t profess to know…but, people are hungry for better times and the only President to deliver economic recovery and a balanced budget in the past 50 years was Bill Clinton. I think people are hungry…literally and figuratively…for a leader, a fiscal conservative and social liberal, for a fiscal statist, and a person who views the federal role as protecting the health and welfare of the individual. I think America is ready for Hillary Clinton to be president.

Breeze, that in no way diminish the fact that HRC cannot win without the African American vote.

Okay, I must have struck a nerve in your brain, Marge. So, let me try again. 

I cannot fathom how people could attack Hillary Clinton–who they previously loved–for being a stateswoman and putting her her country above petty politics.

Nope. I didn’t say you didn’t have a right to your own personal pettiness, Marge. What I said was: I cannot “fathom” how supporters could attack her for putting her country above “petty politics.” 

Now, why would you take that so personally, unless subconsciously, you think you are engaging in “petty politics.”

You’re entitled to engage in petty politics, Marge. I would defend to the death your right to attack Hillary Clinton because she put country above “petty politics.”

There now, feel better? 

And Obama has already sent out the “notion” that he will be a one-term president. After all, he has accomplished his agenda of change. Once his “policies” and the bills (fortunately repealable!!) to support them are in place, he can claim to be “the most successful president ever” since he got all of his agenda through in one term. Of course, he will leave behind a country staggering under massive unemployment, in huge debt, with soiled coastlines and huge energy costs due to cap and trade. But that won’t matter, he got the health care, the bail-outs to his corporate friends, “financial reform”, etc. He did it all while flying around the country reading off his teleprompter and being adored by the masses. Hasn’t put in a 40 hour week in the Oval Office yet, by the way. But he got his agenda through…therefore he is a successful president. The fact that his agenda is destroying the country, and dividing it as never before, is irrelevant to him. HE WON!! That’s all that matters to Obama. Not us, not the country, just that he won.

Armymom:

According to your own argument, your son should immediately quit his service to country, because the Commander in Chief is Barack Obama. 

Of course, I would think you above all, would comprehend the concept of service to country. 

“For God’s sake,” Hillary Clinton is simply serving her country as Secretary of State. She is working for all Americans. Just as your son is doing. 

I applaud your son for his service. And, I applaud Hillary Clinton for hers. 

Really? The only racist POS I see is Obama and his racist followers. Oh, and before you say a damn thing, I’m bi-racial, just like our POS CIC. And he has done more damage to civil rights than will ever be able to be repaired. Sad that you perpetuate this shit.

“Third, and I think this must have been the biggest reason, she could not stay in the U.S. Senate and vote “yes” on an agenda that she must have known would fail.”

Since when are members of a political party, especially those as powerful as Hillary Clinton, required to vote “yes” on an agenda they know must fail?

Staying in the Senate and working as hard as she has at State might…just might…have given us a health care bill we could live with. 

Our domestic problems are far greater than any international troubles.  We needed her here, not in Paris.

No Noogan, once again you’re wrong. And acting pissy won’t make you right. My nerves are just fine. But your name-calling just because I don’t happen to agree with you shows you as a very unserious person who is not deserving of conversation.

Grow up Noogan. Hero worship is so unbecoming in an adult.

You may “believe” that Hillary Clinton is a Stateswoman, and you may be right. But you don’t “know” it any more than I “know”  that she is not. A belief doesn’t make you “know” anything.

As I said, I don’t agree with you. In your poor adolescent little world that makes me pathetic, petty, hypocritical and juvenile.

Where as in my world, you’re just silly. But IMO, and again it’s only my opinion, anyone that hero worships a politician is silly. Just the way I feel.

I’ve wasted far too much time with you. Please do some more name-calling if it makes you feel better. Someday you may grow up enough to discover that “adults” can agree to disagree without being disagreeable brats.

Creeper, Bill signed to repeal Glass-Stegall when it became evident that Congress would override a veto of the bill.   

Bill Clinton is articulate and is an asset to Hillary. If we were to do a balance sheet on Bill, the bottom line is still positive.

Bill is so much better to Bush and Barry.

Bill is an asset to the USA less Monica Lewinsky

Barry – a liability to America

Bush- a liability to America.

“But instead, they call on Bill all the time when they’re in over their heads. ”

Oh, the irony!

Not once did I say my son should immediately quite his service to country. I said I can ‘t stand the fact that the POS is his CIC. There is a difference. My son is doing it for love of his fellow soldiers who re upped. He said he couldn’t see them going over there without him, and they vice versa. So how is that relevent to what Hillary did? Does she have some “buds” that she wants to cover their back for? You see, my son is ACTUALLY dodging bullets. End of story.

So true, Noogan!  Politics is dirty, and you just can’t go and burn all of your bridges if you want to remain viable.   I wish she had gone Indie, but I can understand her choice to fight from the inside.  Like many of us, Hillary knew that if the spotlight were long enough on BO eventually he would be revealed for the inept and sleazy person he is.  Had she fought him from outside the Party, she would have been torn to shreds (again!) by the media (both Left and Right), and she would not be a contender at this point.

Noogan, I resent being called “petty and juvenile”.  That’s not conducive to a civilized dialogue. 

Those of us with strong objections to Hillary having accepted the SOS position have stated them clearly.  None of the reasons cited strike me as either petty or juvenile.

How much “love of country” is there in enabling the disaster that is Barack Obama?

Bronwyn’sHarbor, your message didn’t get through.

Cindy, Hillary did not invent this political play…it’s part of the game.  For example, McCain waited it out when he lost to GWB, Romney wait it out when he lost to McCain, etc. … both supporting their former opponent in the process. Yes, it’s all dirty, etc., but she’s playing in the big leagues.  I think she and Bill are currently testing and rebuilding their political support within the Party pols.

As Senator, HRC still had to work with two-by-four Chuck Shumer and the rest of the boys and girls in the Senate who conspired to keep her from the nomination.  I think it would have been sheer torture for her to stay in the Senate after so many of her peers stabbed her in the back.  As I recall, most of the woman Dem Senators worked against her winning the nomination.  Also, can you imagine having to work with the insufferable Kerry and Kennedy? 

Not any more.

Dammit, this is NOT a game.  Don’t you understand that?  Our survival hangs in the balance.

Screw it. 

GONE FISHING

Bill Donlon: I’m sure I’m not understanding your overall point.  If you’re talking about “forgiveness” in the sense that AAs will finally be able to forgive whites for “institutional racism”, then I would say that that legitimizes the highly theoretical and highly questionable acceptance, outside of progressive circles,  of the reality of institutional racism.  It’s the theory itself that gives rise to what is to be forgiven.  At its core is the tacit agreement that to be white is to be racist.  Are we really to be forgiven for that? 

In the absence of institutional racism, what are they to forgive?  I think that so long as we have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, Barry Soertoro (and his wife Michelle), and the others who continue to beat the drum of institutional racism and blame everything on slavery and Jim Crow (and this is precisely what they are doing) with no acknowledgement of Civil Rights legislation and enforcement, no mention of the reality of the actual landscape of blacks’ presence and contribution in every part of our society today — all the way to the WH –  there will continue to be those who will never, ever be satisfied or accountable for their own, individual responsibilities.  I’m with Noogan and a growing number of Americans on this — I feel no need to be forgiven.  But if that’s what it finally takes, and if it is what truly makes a difference to anyone who thinks I’ve wronged them by having been made by the gov’t to help them carry their “wronged” burden, I think they’ve been played by the liberals/progressives for their stance.  Am I to be forgiven for that?      

He’s baaaaack…….. (FF, that is)!!!!

Amen AbigailAdams.

Steve in KC–I’ve missed your posts and your wit.  Hope to “see” you more often!

Many of us were PUMAs, and many of us still carry that attitude–Party Unity My Ass.  And we wanted Hillary to tell Obama to shove it, and not necessarily in a diplomatic way.  These feelings run deep. 

We’ll see.

You don’t have the capacity to strike a nerve in any part of me Noogan.

I did not “attack” Hillary Clinton. I simply said I no longer support her nor would I vote for her again.

I didn’t “love” Hillary Clinton. Ever. I don’t “love” politicians. Any of them.

I try to vote for the least dismal candidate. In Hillary Clinton’s case although I did not agree with her on some issue, mandated health care was one, I thought her the far superior candidate and believed then and still do that she would have made a descent President. 

I was appalled when Hillary went to work for Obama. That you see it as “serving” her country is fine for you. It doesn’t work for me. I see it as working for a man I believe is a danger to all the things I hold dear and an Administration and congress that I fine vile beyong my ability to express. That she chose to become part of that instead of retaining her seat and doing whatever she could from there disappointed me.

Those that feel that she would have been “forced” to kowtow to the Oblama agenda seem to do her a greater disservice than anything I could say. Either she is strong enough to be president and be her own woman or she’s just a poor little female critter that would have been bullied by the boys.

Not “loving” Hillary Clinton seems to be an act of lese majeste in your eyes. However I wonder, if she is the woman of character you believe she is and if she is a Stateswoman, just what she would think of your asolescent and snotty behavior. If you actually think that much of the woman, you might try living up to her. Because your behavior does her no credit.

I have stated, more than once, that I am “over” the Clintons. However “over” them I may be I would never, not for an instant, believe that they are racist. They both may or may not be guilty of some things but IMO racism is not now and never has been one of them. The racism was from the Obama camp and all his little Obot followers.

I believe, again I cannot “know” but I absolutely believe that the Clintons follow the thinking of MLK in not “seeing” color far more than the two POS that now reside in the White House and shame it on an almost daily basis with their race-baiting, greed, insensitivity and self-involvement.

Democrat voters are like those tic tac toe playing chickens you see at the fair. They look like they are smart enough to understand the game… but really thet just peck at the corn. Democrat voters will do what they always do… peck at the corn fed them. They would vote for Chavez if he could find a Hawaii birth certificate and if the party elite wanted him.

Thats her branding. Peace and prosperity. I think Newt is more responsible for the prosperity and budget part than either of the Clintons ever will be. If you think firing off million dollar tomahawks at $100 tents in the desert is peace…  then Hillary is your shepherd.

In order for this country to move ahead it must stop coddling special interest groups.  Sorry, but skin tone doesn’t make you special or in need of all your whiny needs to be met.

I call BS on FF’s sniveling stance.   Barry’s band of racist voters will be irrelevant in any post Barry elections.

Well said, Seymour.  Absolutely spot on.

But lorac—-Any woman who stands up to the patriarchs who want to keep women out of the White House and in our places, IS WINNING!

trixta—- Let me explain something to you:
If we keep playing the SAME POLITICAL GAMES, NOTHING CHANGES!!

NO TO: “For whatever good the Clinton’s have ever done they will always be defined for enabling the left wing agenda of Obama.”

the 53% of the voters did that!  The country is shattering, let’s not blame Hillary for that; she fought hard not to let that happen; she’s working hard now, however and whatever her present job allows her to do.  In fairness, let’s wait until she can personally answer the personal accusations/ suppositions about the events surrounding the recent past. 

As far as I am concerned, Hillary has not done anything yet to UNdeserve my trust or pride in her.  I would vote for her again, as long as it is not VP to Obama.  

2012 – Hillary/Sarah.  Perfect!

What you said, Docelder plus the overwhelming hatred of GWB. They’d have elected Adolph over a Republican…and probably hoped he’d start killing anyone who didn’t agree with them. 

As for the Arkansas comment:  When we moved to CA after WWII, as a little child, I never knew that people thought it was the first time I’d ever worn shoes.  My family was All-American and recovered from the Civil War by then and while we weren’t rich (I always thought we were) we always had the necessities of life and a comfortable home.  It apparently came from a radio “comic”, Bob Burns who promoted Arkansas as the bastion of barefoot Hillbillies and Dog Patch shacks.  Shocking to me even as a child because it was so far from reality.

I accept his resignation and hope he has a long life spent getting exactly what he deserves. 

That is exactly my sentiment.  I don’t know if I could ever vote for her again though. 

@ Creeper – I see you point, but I hope you are wrong.  I think independents are independents because they are well…independent.

I think it will depend who is the republican nominee.

A lot of my former heros fell with the racism cry.  John Lewis for instance has become just another fat political toad.  A traitor to Hillary and a rubberstamp black caucus sycophant.  I can’t believe that MLK would feel proud of him…he might have enough compassion to understand but there would be no black pride.

So true, FLDemFem.  Obama said in his acceptance speech that he was going to “fundamentally change” America.  He doesn’t care about us, he only cares about what he sees is the right thing to do, whether we like it or not. And he does see him self as successful. He is trying to get back at America for all its perceived wrongs, not make it necessarily better.

I agree.  And as a start, I’d like to get a WH without Lawyers in the Oval Office.

Thanks for reminding me why I want to see the Democrats in the wilderness for the next 50 years.  SOB’s and P’sOS.

I’d love him to resign now…maybe he could make a post presidential career being a spokesperson for manorexia (appologies to any ano or manorexics here).  But I believe that’s the level of “post” involvement in society that would suit his character and real status.

Annie AMC, about shoes:  I grew up in a very tiny island somewhere in the Pacific and didn’t wear shoes until I went off to college.  At thirteen, when Japanese thongs became available, I had them.  But for the most part,  I was barefoot.  In our family we would say, “we’re not poor, we just don’t have any money.”  Now I am much, much older, and I can see that many people have so much money and yet poor in so many other ways.  I like me, my hometown and family.

Murray, what you said: “Arkansas has been America’s punchline for so long that it almost doesn’t hurt anymore.”  must be a big part of Bill Clinton’s psychological makeup, added to all his difficult childhood experiences, made him into the resilient, intelligent, charismatic, personality that many love.

Too true JohnSmart. I remember watching a You Tube vid of Bill after his car was involved in a fender bender.  The people there were freaking out. You should have heard them. They kept asking things like:

Are you okay Mr. President?
How do feel Mr. President?
Did you go to the hospital Mr. President?

The way the crowd carried on you would have  thought  he was still the sitting President.

That’s not the first video I’ve seen like that with throngs of people, unscripted and unplanned showing up just to be where Bill C is.  

The look on Bill’s face is priceless. It’s a look of joy and surprise. Yeah Bill has an ego.  He’s a politician so it’s rather large I suspect.  But his joy, delight, and caring for his fellow Americans isn’t faked.  I’ve lived long enough to see phonies who pretend to care when they don’t. He’s not one of them.

Corporatist crap, right on Doc.  Nothing but monopolistic capitalists who have succeeded in blurring the difference between capitalism and free enterprise.  I am all for free enterprise, not big business capitalistic monopoly and all entities who play the same manipulative games such as big unions and big government.

creepeer said: What I wanted Hillary to do is what we do here every day…SPEAK UP against the racisim, misogyny and classism that Barry exploited

She has been talking in every capacity.  I think what we really wanted was for her to be in a better position to put action to her words.  To the extent that she could do that as SOS, she has.  I know that many of us were sad to see her cheated out of POTUS.  In politics, timing is everything.  I have a faith that Hillary still have a lot of fight left.  When she decides to hang up her gloves, then she can talk so more, or write more books.

No way.  That’s the Obamas’ list of concerns, except they know they’ve got AFI, and the American people don’t even make the list.

Yawn.  FF you are so predictible it’s boring.  Obama is the master race baiter.  And his team and supporters always accuse the Clinton’s of being what, in reality, Obama is.

Race card users, oops that was Obama.  Liars, nope, Obama again.  Do anything to win, oh, Obama excels at that.  The list goes on, ad nauseum.

Any time you make a charge against Hillary or Bill Clinton, you just confirm what is true about your Dear Leader.

Ellen, did you know that the African American voting block used to vote republican? The reason the south became viewed as “solidly” republican was because most African American’s voted republican because Lincoln was a republican. It wasn’t until the civil rights act was signed that the Dem party won over the african american voting block and started having more success in congressional politics.

Again, for all we know, Obama threatened to switch to the republican party (he governs like a republican and we know how much he hates bill and hillary and loves reagan) if he wasn’t given the nomination. Hillary couldn’t exactly do the same since most of the repubs have CDS.

The dems definitely are afraid of losing the african american vote and felt that the women’s vote was locked up because of roe v wade. The repubs are conceding the african american vote (sort of) and going after the women’s vote…which is why they’re putting up nominee after nominee. My bet is that going into this november Dems will bring up abortion all the time and repubs will say that there are more important issues at hand and that there’s little chance that roe v wade will be overturned. Basically they’ll say it’s a judicial issue and not a legislative one. It should be interesting.

Yeah, I don’t think she put part over integrity. I see her as continuing to work for women and children every day.

Just like Obama’s uncle at Auschwitz, or Obama being conceived because of Selma. To these guys everything is branding. They are identical twins… Obama and Hillary in that way. Both are manufactured branded people. We have no idea who either of these people really are. We just see the branded mask. But when we do get a glimpse of either… it isn’t pretty. Like Hillary asking who painted the Lady of Guadalupe. Did she really not know that catholics in Mexico believe GOD painted it? Or was she just asking a rhetorical question because she thinks that is a bunch of hooey. Sounds just like the passive aggressive thing Obama would do himself.

Ellen, thank you for the wonderful comment!  I’m touched. 

EllenD – thank you.  And it’s your turn to change the litterbox!

You’ve shared some fascinating thoughts on the power of Independents to sway the major parties.  As others has pointed out, Independents don’t stand a chance of winning in our system, but they can certainly affect the outcome!  Just ask Al Gore!

Even Bill Clinton owes his first win to Ross Perot, who split the conservative vote with Bush the Elder.  That will be part of my next post.

lorac CheezIts wrote: Steve, thanks for the article!  I’m not as smart as Hillary, but will you marry me!!!!!

Steve_in_KC replied: My wife, whose initials are KC, might have some competition on her hands!  I’ll have to think about this!!

“Objective” Voice—Well, I know that true  feminists really appreciate those little pats on the head that the Democrats give Hillary for marching lock-step with your half black Fuhrer.
Geniessen Sie!

Hillary supporter since 1992, had many letters to the editor published supporting them, voted for them, donated money and left the Democratic Party on 5/31/08 in protest to what the DNC did.  So don’t presume we haven’t been supporters of Hill and Bill.  However, many of us at NQ have “progressed” past the lying, cheating, thieving Obamacrat Party and don’t take kindly to anyone who stayed around them to play their game.  It’s not about pouting, being small, or not getting it but rather about integrity and principle…of which the Obamacrats have none.

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KEEP WISHIN AND A HOPIN

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AN D EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE  CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

All you supposive Hillary supporters on here are a bit funny. How can many of you support much of the far right ideology on NQ and still call yourselves Hillary supporters? It does not make sense. Most of the posts on NQ just pick up the standard bogus far right and conservative narratives. Most post just quote far right commentators. All you supposive Hillary supporters just eat it up. Explain to me how does one all of a sudden switch ideologies to a far right point of view on the issues? Especially, when many of the far rights ideas massively failed during the Bush years. I can understand if you do not like Obama for beating Hillary, but to support the rignt just does not make sense to me.

“I am in awe of the woman. I don’t believe any other politician in America would’ve continued to fight for the nomination the way she did…no one else would have had the strength nor the commitment. And she didn’t have to scream “fight, fight, fight” like McCain did. And, for Hillary to go from that long arduous race to being the non-stop Secretary of State that she is…OMG.  ”

I love your post and feel exactly the same way!

I also quit being a Democrat on May 31st, 2008 and quit being a Hillary supporter when she joined the Obama Administration.  I lost all respect for her.  She reminded me too much of the abused wife…who continues to “stand by her man”.  I will never vote Democratic again!

There is no difference whatsoever. 

You can’t stand the fact that Obama is the CinC. Hillary Clinton undoubtedly agrees.

YOu say your son is doing it for love of his fellow soldiers who serve; Hillary Clinton is undoubtedly serving as Sec/State because she loves those who serve in the State Department alongside her. And she also undoubtedly wants to protect this country and believes she is the best person to be Sec/State and can best protect this country by serving in that capacity.

I’ve just told you how it is relevant. Yes, I’m sure Hillary Cilnton does have “comrades in arms” she wants to protect and can do it as Sec/State. 

Do you not think that the Sec/State is ever in danger of being hit by a sniper? Are you in denial? The Sec/State travels to places across the globe, many of which are quite dangerous. And, she is always a target for Al Qaeda, no matter where she travels. 

Your son may be dodging “bullets” but the Secretary of State is dodging daggers aimed at her back every single day and dodging threats from global terrorists as well. Not only that, but she is trying to represent this nation with courage and conviction. 

“End of story!” Hello, are you 3 years old? You stomping your foot and demanding that your say-so is the end? Well, sorry. I don’t think you’re realistic at all.

It’s the corruption. But I largely agree with everything you say, Peggy Sue. 

He’s only an asset to the base Democratic voters. Unfortunately for Bill Clinton, his endorsement persuades fewer and fewer voters overall nowadays. People aren’t all that enamored with the Democratic Party, thanks to Obama and Congressional Democrats. 

so now lil barky is  crying to Big Daddy er..i mean Big Dawg to come bail him out. bill should tell him to f–k off after the way O treated him and hillary during the primaries. does this man have no humility at all? 

im sure making hillary SOS was not obames choice.  he knew the clintons had plenty of dirt on him and this was his way of keeping them quiet.  i cant wait for hillarys next book, which im sure has been in progress since the primaries.then and only then will we find out the real truth.

as a former dem turned independent,i hope the repubs dont give us a bunch of already ran and lost candidates. no gingrich, romney, huckabee et al. we want some fresh faces with no baggage, no ax to grind, and no favors owed.  i like paul ryan and eric cantor.  id like to see more of them in the future before making up my mind.  no more losers!!

On the other hand, Cindy, there’s no 100% guarantee that things will “change” even with different “political games” (e.g. I think hopey-changey BO makes this point).   

Yes, I’ve heard of it (thank you very much!), creeper, and I wish WJC had done so too–his legacy would probably be the better for it.   But many would like to argue — at least in tone — that it was Bill’s very own malicious idea to repeal G-S in the first place.  I believe that even if he had stood on principle and vetoed it, he would still be blamed for “letting Congress override his veto,” etc.        

Thank you, Cindy, for “explaining” that to me.   FYI, I never claimed  they were her “bosses” — those are your words.  But since you’ve brought up the issue of Senatorial rank, I believe HRC was Junior Senator while Kerry and Kennedy had seniority in the Senate.   Seniority or no seniority, having to work with these two bozos in the Senate would have been very unpleasant for her.

WJC will be defined by the prosperity and relative peace the country enjoyed during his tenure as Prez.

HRC will be defined by her heroic attempt at breaking through that glass ceiling. (That is, if she decides not to run again.) 

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