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By Pat Racimora on September 16, 2008 at 1:30 AM in Barack Obama, Democratic Nomination, Democratic Party

Has your lack of support for Barack Obama cost you any highly valued friends?

Social psychologists have long pondered the nature of interpersonal relationships, often using diagrams and theories that turn the vibrant concept of “friendship” into bare mathematical equations. But I have always liked my Dad’s simple definition best: “Friends are the people you really look forward to breaking bread with over and over again.”

Of course, people usually bond based on at least one shared interest, but I have never had a friend with whom I was aligned about everything.

So to be treated like a traitor, to be scorned and socially banished by a few of the people I cared about the most, has been heartbreaking.

They cannot understand why I don’t see a great and inspiring leader who would turn our country around within a short time after taking office. I never put it this way to them, but I looked carefully at Obama’s fast rise and see someone who is self-serving first and foremost and who gives a great speech (off a teleprompter–without it, not so much) and whose career has been built on expediency with heavy-handed support from some very bad players.

I’ve lived a long while, and I have always been deeply involved in politics. I have never encountered anything like this, not even with my Republicans friends in 2000 and 2004. We simply decided that “Friendships Trump Politics,” and agreed not to squabble.

Maybe the old saw about how you know someone is a real friend—“Someone who will visit you in the hospital”—is not quite right. Maybe the new version should be “Someone who keeps caring about you even though you disagree about Barack Obama.”

richasis

nicely stated…

tish

they were never really your friends to begin with, and they surely are not friends of this country knowing all that we know about obama and his plans for the usa

Denise

I have often wondered: Which party do the atheist support?

Steven Mather

Atheists are likely to be in any large party.

Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

A friend of mine sent this to me. He said it came from a lifelong Dem activist in Boston who used to used to pick up paper bags of cash for the candidates. When I expressed shock that they still don’t do this, he said, “Times have changed. It’s called the Appropriations Committee now.” LOL.

> 2008 Democrat National Convention
> Schedule of Events
> 7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING
> 7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.
> 7:20 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
> 7:25 pm NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP – Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton
> 7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING – Darryl Hannah
> 7:55 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
> 8:00 pm HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET – Al Gore
> 8:15 pm GAY WEDDING PLANNING – Rosie O’Donnell
> 8:35 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
> 8:40 pm OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS – John Kerry
> 9.00 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS – Cindy Sheehan and
> Susan Sarandon
> 10:00 pm ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE – Alec Baldwin
> 11:00 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
> 11:05 pm COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND -
> Barbara Streisand
> 11:15 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY – Sean Penn
> 11:30 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS – William Jefferson Clinton
> 11:45 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
> 11:50 pm HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS – Howard
> Dean
> 12:15 am TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD – Presented to Dan Rather by
> Michael Moore
> 12:25 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
> 12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
> 12:45 am NOMINATION OF Barack Hussein Obama- Nancy Pelosi
> 1:00 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST To Obama
> 1:30 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST To Hillary Clinton
> 1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home

Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

Sorry, the Clinton roasts are a little harsh.
tek

This person is obviously a neocon.

lisa in va

My dh & I are atheist. I’m a moderate Repub & he is a moderate Dem.

I don’t run in atheist circles, but I’m going to guess that our political philosophies have more to do with the position on the left/right spectrum, than with the title Dem/Repub. Since atheists are questioners, I’m guessing most would be moderates & independants; rather than blindly following a single party.
DeniseB

I am an atheist. My values are humanist and liberal and so I have always voted Democratic.

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

OT,

Here is a bit I did explaining the ties of the Obama camp to the mortgage crisis.

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/09/best-congress-fannie-could-buy.html
Dawnelle Leona Del Puma

I did the opposite.

When all the misogyny started and most of my DNC “long time friends” refused to acknowledge it and almost acted like we should just ignore it for the SAKE OF GETTING THE WHITE HOUSE BACK

then they passed around a petition to sign that no matter who won you would vote for which ever DEM (I did at the time, knowing nada about barry)

many then wouldn’t sign it

well then Barry said the things he said and his wife said the things SHE said and it was all over ………..

except the people I left behind – at least a dirty dozen swallowed the BS and took it like a good victim!

FK that – they were no longer friendship material. I don’t want a bunch of whiners and victims and NEVER HAPPY people as my friends. That is JUST NOT ME!!!

And then of course there were always the elite snot nosed sanctimonious fools that I never considered my friends and argued with often. Well mostly they would degrade me when ever I blurted out something not so “in line” or perhaps it was my cussing. They were always offended about some damn thing.

YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNn!

Urban Hillbilly

Re: your paragraph 2– That was reaally shortsighted and dumb of those people.

Dawnelle Leona Del Puma

I totally agree (and I fell for it initially)

I can only use the last 8 yrs under BUSH as a reason for my and many others brief insanity. W drove us to it.

But time heals all things and now that we are IN this situation we MUST always try to make things better!

and for some of us

Country comes first before Party

Vicki

The Corner at National Review Online Recognizes how Hillary was Ddisrespected

Not Our Girl [Lisa Schiffren]

The National Organization for Women (NOW) is holding a press conference today to announce … drumroll….its presidential endorsement. (Note that NOW rarely offers a presidential endorsement, because doing so could compromise its tax status.)

NOW is staying true to its mission of supporting the rights and social and political advances of all American women. Even though, in the past, the organization has allowed militant leftism to outweigh support for ordinary women with different political views, today they are breaking with that tradition. In light of former flyboy John McCain’s willingness to put a woman on his GOP presidential ticket; and in light of Sarah Palin’s admirable, hard-fought climb from a politically unconnected, middle class family in the frontier state of Alaska, where being equal to men means doing things most men in the lower 48 couldn’t do if their lives depended on it — yes, shooting bears, moose, etc.— to the State Governorship; in light of her willingness to personally destroy an ‘old boy’ political network that had a political stranglehold on her state; and in light of her ability to balance that with bearing and raising five children, while persuading her macho husband to participate fully in child-care and domestic responsibilities — in light of all those demonstrations of just how strong and successful a woman can be, NOW will be endorsing John McCain and Sarah Palin for the presidency and vice presidency of the United States.

Okay. That would be nice. That would get some attention and show a real stand up for women attitude. In reality NOW will be endorsing Barack Obama for the Presidency of the United States. The committee carefully considered other options, but was especially impressed by Obama’s ability to knock off Senator Hillary Clinton in the primaries; his willingness to use sexist language and allusions when necessary, and his inability to overcome his personal feelings and put Mrs. Clinton — who, by the way, is a woman with a long feminist history, but also a major vote-getter — on the Democratic ticket. These actions have improved the standing of women in American in vast and untold ways that will help other women reach high office soon.

And that is why NOW remains irrelevant.

Vicki

Feel free to delete the duplicate post. Sorry!

Vicki

The Corner at National Review Online Recognizes how Hillary was Ddisrespected

Not Our Girl [Lisa Schiffren]

The National Organization for Women (NOW) is holding a press conference today to announce … drumroll….its presidential endorsement. (Note that NOW rarely offers a presidential endorsement, because doing so could compromise its tax status.)

NOW is staying true to its mission of supporting the rights and social and political advances of all American women. Even though, in the past, the organization has allowed militant leftism to outweigh support for ordinary women with different political views, today they are breaking with that tradition. In light of former flyboy John McCain’s willingness to put a woman on his GOP presidential ticket; and in light of Sarah Palin’s admirable, hard-fought climb from a politically unconnected, middle class family in the frontier state of Alaska, where being equal to men means doing things most men in the lower 48 couldn’t do if their lives depended on it — yes, shooting bears, moose, etc.— to the State Governorship; in light of her willingness to personally destroy an ‘old boy’ political network that had a political stranglehold on her state; and in light of her ability to balance that with bearing and raising five children, while persuading her macho husband to participate fully in child-care and domestic responsibilities — in light of all those demonstrations of just how strong and successful a woman can be, NOW will be endorsing John McCain and Sarah Palin for the presidency and vice presidency of the United States.

Okay. That would be nice. That would get some attention and show a real stand up for women attitude. In reality NOW will be endorsing Barack Obama for the Presidency of the United States. The committee carefully considered other options, but was especially impressed by Obama’s ability to knock off Senator Hillary Clinton in the primaries; his willingness to use sexist language and allusions when necessary, and his inability to overcome his personal feelings and put Mrs. Clinton — who, by the way, is a woman with a long feminist history, but also a major vote-getter — on the Democratic ticket. These actions have improved the standing of women in American in vast and untold ways that will help other women reach high office soon.

And that is why NOW remains irrelevant.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjlkODM2N2JhYzdlMjM4NGYyNzMwZDViNWEwNGNhZTM=

Bud White

wow….so true. Just for exercising our rights.

fooj

It’s “pack” mentality. I noticed it in 2000. Obama and his pathetic, little thugs don’t realize we’re all not that easily conned. I mean, hell. We’ve been down this road before. Same game. Different players.

Rove says that he isn’t surprised Obama is running his campaign the way that he is. Apparently, he is simply doing what he was “taught” to do.

I’m just so tired of being ripped to shreds from all of this division. First, they divide the country. Red. Blue. Next, divide the Democratic Party. Then pit women against each other…gads. The list grows by the day…

I’ve been accused of “changing” my position. That REALLY frosts me. I railed against the Repubs re: 2000 and haven’t let up yet. Wrong is wrong. I don’t give a damn how anyone spins it.

We’re in good company. We are not alone.

Let us never forget that government is ourselves- not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and Senators, Congressman and Govt. Officials but the VOTERS of this country. -F.D.R.

Zelda Crunch

Rove says that he isn’t surprised Obama is running his campaign the way that he is.

That is good – that means Rove is ready and has planned for this.

etc.

Yes, I live in Los Angeles and some of my friends are doing the same to me. It has been very upsetting for me to realize that this town really is “go along to get along.”

Huh, just like Obama. Perhaps his self-serving attitude is the true reason they flock to him. Birds of a feather…

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I’m in LA too and for the most part I haven’t had major issues but I hate to say this…I’ve been laying low partially because I don’t want to deal with people about it. People assume that if you are in a certain demographic (artistic, yoga/new age spiritual type) that you like Obama.

I have had one friend who has not called me back since I responded to his call bashing Palin when she was chosen…and that’s not like him. I just had someone else send me an anti-McCain email and I sent back a bunch of links for caucus fraud.

Part of the reason I’m planning to go volunteer at the local McCain office is to finally talk to some people who aren’t Obamatized.

KathyNeocon

Where is McCain’s office? I’m in LA too–LOL! I tell everyone who’s rude enough to ask I’m voting for McCain. I don’t care what friends and coworkers and the rest of them think. It’s my vote and I don’t have to explain or justify it.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

There are a ton of local McCain offices all over LA. I can’t find the website link but here’s the address to the West LA office, if you call them they can tell you where there’s an office closer to you:

3280 Motor Ave Suite 225
LA, CA 90034
310-651-0474

M-Sat 10-8 pm
Sun 12-6 pm

Just show up, they are there doing phone calls. I’m going to try to go sometime this week.

KathyNeocon

Thanks for the info, and that’s my side of town. I’ll try to get there this week.

etc.

Holy cow. Are we all in West LA????

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

We need to have a West LA PUMA meetup!

etc.

Absolutely! I have only one more friend who would love to be there. Sadly, it’s just the two of us Hillary supporters for McCain.
KathyNeocon

Hi-larious!! West LA’ers for Clinton and McCain!

KathyNeocon

Saturday I saw a black guy at the 3rd St. Promenade with a McCain/Palin sign making a statement in hostile territory. I clapped and gave him a huge thumbs up–he was awesome!!

Ani

By the way, a friend told me about a radio program called My2centsradio — apparently the audience is predominently AA, and this friend was giving an interview on the show and said that everyone who called in absolutely cannot stand Obama.
etc.

I saw a McCain/Palin sticker on a Prius and almost passed out. I was completely giddy.
http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I’ve been looking for McCain stickers, haven’t seen one yet (though I work from home and don’t drive every day). I am definitely not seeing the volume of Obama stickers I would have expected to see.
Tony Stark

I live out in the Inland Empire, and I must be the only one with a Hillary for President, Democrats for McCain and McCain-Palin bumper stickers on my car.
etc.

You’re a brave soul, Tony Stark.
lisa in va

I actually made up my own bumper stickers! They came in the mail yesterday & are going on our vehicles today.

1) Flag background with statue of liberty on left: “Keep our country safe from policitians…VOTE A SPLIT TICKET IN 2008…(R) McCain/Palin and (D) Mark Warner”

2) White background with waving flag off to left: “Do you really want 4 years with a Democrat President AND Democratic majority in both houses of Congress? (R) McCain/Palin and (D) Mark Warner”

Next I think I’ll make up some anti msm ones…

I’ve never had bumper stickers on my car…but I’m pretty pissed off…mostly at the media.
sherry

Lisa, you voiced my sentiments exactly.
I adore Warner. Plan on voting McCain
MISSHILL

I live in L.A. TOO. I feel alone. My friends and family are so in the tank for Bambi!

MISSHILL

I live in Brentwood. I thought I was the only west side PUMA!
It is so bad that I do not even want to go out anymore!

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I’ve been avoiding certain things due to this too. Email me, we are going to have a Westside PUMA meetup! (see below)

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Email me at contact@hillaryorbust.com and let’s set something up, maybe we can all get lunch and go over to the McCain office together.

KathyNeocon

Awesome–thanks! E-mailing you now then I have to turn in. I’ll be bleary-eyed at work tomorrow–LOL!
etc.

I just sent you an email as well.

Prem

Me, too—thanks for the address. I’m going to go over there next week. My sisters are both in the tank for BHO, primarily because he’s a “Dem.” One of my sisters isn’t a huge fan, but now that he’s the nominee, she’s all for him. My other sister is totally behind him, made calls for him this week-end. We’ve agreed not to discuss politics any more—neither one of them can stand to hear anything negative about BHO!

I feel fortunate because many of my friends, who I do consider to be quite intuitive (we are on similar spiritual paths), have come to the realization, too, that there is something very corrupt and sleazy about BHO. They will be for the first time voting Republican, too!

My son, who sports a pony tail, of course, is thought to be a BHO supporter by his customers, but they’re always surprised when he says he’s voting for McCain. Of course, they think he’s crazy!

imustprotest

Shout out to LA people! I’m also from the LA area!! I was at the mall Sunday and believe it or not I ran into a couple of Democrats at the Republican Voter Registration booth! They were there for the same reason as me…not to register as Repubs but to see if they had any info about area offices and bumper stickers etc. We all had a great conversation about how Obama and his friends have ruined the Democratic party! The Republican lady at the booth seemed a little surprised by all of us Democrats for McCain!

Jackie

I am on the other Coast near DC.

I encourage you all to go to http://www.johnmccain.com and find your local victory office.

Do what ever you can to get the word out. I suspect there are more McCain supporters in LA than you realize. They just don’t dare stick their heads out of the “closet” because of all the kool-aid drinkers.

California has gone RNC before–give it a good run. Make Obama work for those Electorial votes.

etc.

I have lots of writer friends, so I know exactly what you mean. They treat me like a dumb redneck if I dare to point out any of Obama’s flaws. To them, it’s like, “Oh, that’s okay, cause you’re just too stupid to vote for The One.”

kenoshaMarge

So how does this relate to the “big tent” Democrats always talked about. Now if you don’t agree, then you ain’t welcome in the tent.

Don’t you dare have your own ideas, or thoughts, or opinions, because then you ain’t a real Democrat and never were. In fact you’re a Republican masquerading as a Democrat just to make trouble.

I know that true about me. I have pretended to be a Democrat for 40+ years, have voted 99% of the time for Democrats for 40+ years and have only stepped out of my “cover” now so that I can try to stop Obama.

If anyone has friends that believe that kind of drivel, then surely you can find better, smarter, and more rational friends. I’m still looking.

Family members who have become Obamacrats are harder to deal with. Deprogramming anyone?)

beebop

Don’t you dare have your own ideas, or thoughts, or opinions, because then you ain’t a real Democrat and never were. In fact you’re a Republican masquerading as a Democrat just to make trouble.

That is the one that really is tough to take. That is where the abused spouse similarities are … like, the problem is always YOU … no thanks. Not for me. I waddled behind what quacked like a duck and never questioned. No more.
http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

I, too, worked and voted for the Democratic Party for over 30 yrs. and cannot believe some of my friends (and family) are reacting to the fact that I am voting McCain/Palin this year. When I point out how sleazy the Democrats have been all I get as a rejoinder is: He’s too old, he wants war, she’s too inexperienced, she’s pro-life. After a while it gets old and you just avoid those people when you can. With family it’s a little more difficult. My younger sister says she doesn’t like Obama but will vote for him because McCain will continue the war. Don’t these people read? Mr, flip-flop doesn’t know whether he would continue the war or not.(It depends upon what audience he is speaking to at the time.)

BTW, thank you again for the Liza the chicken story. I have been telling my friends and family to go to your blog and read it.

voterinexile

I’ve lost a few friends – over BO too – all white males, all overly invested in being liberal.

Last night I ran into a male friend at dinner and he said, Hey, did you see the Times piece on Palin yesterday?

I rebutted the ‘she’ll ban books’ part and made a few points about CAC/Ayers, etc. We’ve had a running conversation for months now…

He looked at me and said (to my surprise):

You scare me; Everytime I talk to you I realize how uniformed I am.

He agreed to receive emails on BO – the dirt if you will – from me to round out his NYTimes-fed misinformation.

C.S.

I don’t believe you can be a “liberal” and obsess about Soetoro/Obama the way his followers do. Liberals are generous, bountiful, freely giving and what is being described is the exact opposite.

These people are emotionally stingy, intellectually arrogant (like their mentor) and authoritarian (also like their mentor). Only those like your friend are really open minded and willing to look at facts before making up his mind.

Unfortunately, like the hard core group that surrounded GWB for so many years, the prevailing attitude among die hard Obama people is “don’t-bother-me-with-facts-my-mind-is-made up.”

I’m fortunate that most of my friends have seen through the Obama hype. I had one lukewarm couple of maybe Obama because they couldn’t stand McCain; however, all it took was a couple of sources and they grumbled that they would just stay home. I told them to find a third party that had just one issue they could support and vote for them because if you don’t vote they don’t label you discontented but lazy. But if you vote third party you contribute to the overall percentage not voting for either mainstream party which registers as disapproval of both political parties.

Andrew

I’m a writer myself, a published novelist. Yesterday I received an e-mail from the editor of an anthology that came out recently which includes a story of mine. It was an appeal to participate in an upcoming reading here in NYC to benefit The One’s campaign. It was phrased as if it were inconceivable that I did NOT support him. I wrote back that BHO has been a lot more successful than me at publishing fiction, sales-wise, and for the sake of our country I hope he’ll soon have plenty of time to write more.

DAB

I’m also in the New Age, Yoga, arugula loving demographic too although I live in FL but can’t stand the Big BO either. I see right through his nefarious tactics and am stunned at how mean-spirited and intolerant my liberal friends and family members can be to those who disagree with them. In fact, I avoid talking to my children about this because I don’t want to damage our long-term relationship and I know they just couldn’t comprehend how I supposedly changed so much. I just tell them that I have become apolitical and can’t spend the time on it.

I believe that this election is becoming a “Great Unmasking” of all of people’s prejudices and pettiness. Hopefully it will lead to something better eventually — I can only hope.

richasis

i think you are right… barkO is setting the pace…
Psychic madwoman

I agree Eric,
I live in L.A. as well. I have had friends scream at me and call me a liar. Most of this happened in the primaries.The only place they get their info is from Air America, NPR, MSNBC and far left blogs.
My very fanatical, Obama supporting friends do not call me any longer. They do still send me emails from moveon.org.
I am a life long Democrat and this year I am voting for McCain.
PUMA

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Part of the problem with LA is that it’s filled with new age people. I AM ONE OF THEM. However, a lot of those same people who got really caught up with The Secret also got caught up with Obama. They projected all this “we’re raising our consciousness” onto him.

This, plus this idea of 2012 coming up has people overblowing the importance of this election.

I had a yoga teacher tonight make this statement in class tonight about how we have a very important event in November and it will decide whether we’re moving forward or backwards. Well, he’s never mentioned Obama by name but has made it clear in a past class or two he’s for the Democrats.

These people honestly believe that Obama is part of this “consciousness movement” and they are completely immune to any reason about him.

As one of my kool-aid drinking Agape-going hippie friends said in the primaries “OBAMA IS A UNITER NOT A DIVIDER.”

Try to send them real info and they dismiss it as Republican propaganda.

Part of me wants Obama to win (a very SMALL part) so they can see what a fraud he is…otherwise, if Obama loses they’ll never understand why.

KathyNeocon

Scary. I expect the Scientologists here are worshipping at the throne of Obama. I’ve never had any use for New Age–it’s a bunch of self-serving bunk. Doesn’t surprise me New Agers love Obama–he’s right up their alley.

tish

seems that their plans are working, they are now having sharia law in england, if we continue the path it wont be long for us, this is what to expect if you vote obama and his pals
tWarning from a former Muslim Aug 9, ’08 7:55 PM
for everyone

I came across this message posted on a forum awhile ago, and felt this needs to be read. It’s more proof that the left are useful idiots to Islam. Open your damned eyes!

”I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. The following are the Islamic message to the West.”
-Masada2000

To the infidels of the West:
The Constitution for the new Islamic Republics of EuroArabia and AmerIslamia is under construction.

We will fight the infidel to death.
- Meanwhile American laws will protect us.
- Democrats and Leftist will support us.
- N.G.O’s will legitimize us.
- CAIR will incubate us.
- The A.C.L.U. will empower us.
- Western Universities will educate us.
- Mosques will shelter us
- O.P.E.C. will finance us
- Hollywood will love us.
- Kofi Annan and most of the United Nations will cover our asses.

Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.

We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.

We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US.

Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we?

We are the “sleeper cells”.

We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. “Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies”. “Jews killed two women”,

Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or high-tech weaponry in the showcase. You can’t use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.

Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.

West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.

You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?

On the camera:
- We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.”
- We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.”
- Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the
West will believe it because the West is so gullible.
- Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.
- Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.
- We will increase in number. We will double again.

You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.

There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun.

We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will video tape those and send it to all infidels to watch. They will surrender – ISLAM means surrender.

We will use your own values of kindness against you.

You are destined to loose.

Must be very depressing for you. Isn’t it?

Allah-Hu-Akbar
as we say just before beheading.

21st Century Islamic Warfare: Muslims Vs. the West
- Let’s see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare -
THE RULE HAS CHANGED. There is new game in town.

Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama’s family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)! And then Bush went into Iraq!

In return Osama’s attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.

At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.

Osama’s ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold

That is modern warfare. The West will loose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.

From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses.

Are you sure you want to play this game?

Jihad, ..Jihad…Jeeehaaad…

You are destined to loose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar

Saudi Arabia’s $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots. You can’t win. The Genie is out of the bottle.

We will use American’s kindness, fairness, compassion, freedom of speech and non-discriminatory policy against them. We will stab them in the back.

What are you going to do? You are doomed.

StrawberrybitesBarky

So we should give up our values and who we are because of a few right wing wackos? No, sorry, we’re smart enough to weed out the nutters. Besides many of the kids they are recruiting out of colleges won’t put up with strict sharia law for long. Just like the Obamabits will start to fall away from Barky once his policies start to affect their ability to party and have fun.

http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

OBAMA HAS STATED IN ONE OF HIS BOOKS THAT IF IT COMES TO A SHOW DOWN HE WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS.

Hillary2012

“Part of me wants Obama to win (a very SMALL part) so they can see what a fraud he is…otherwise, if Obama loses they’ll never understand why.”
That’s true, but it would be a high price to make them understand.
I live in LA too btw.
After a while of receiving propaganda emails from Obamaniacs and also being called stupid for falling for the republican tactics.
(that of course would mean that the republicans took out Hillary and are behind the media bias -very clever-)
I decided I will take this experience as a character study of those people.
Dont take them serious in return and enjoy the election night, take of my sweater and expose my brandnew “I told You so” T-Shirt.
hillarysmygirl

I’m in L.A. too! I even have to lie about voting for Barry to my husband to keep the peace. We had so many arguments after Obama stole the primary (we both voted for Hillary) that I finally just did what I hear Tina Fey is doing, telling him that I’m voting for Obama, but probably voting for McCain. My otherwise wonderful husband went over to the Dark Side, spewing the party line crap, “We’ll lose Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court will be all extremists, the Republicans will ruin this country, McCain is evil but Palin is worse, etc.” During the primary, knowing that I was a life long Democrat and Hillary supporter, my Obamabot friends left me alone after I scolded them about one Bill Clinton bashing e-mail. But afterwards? I’m getting disgusting anti-Sarah Palin e-mails left and right, vile, vicious, petty e-mails that I delete without reading. And MY yoga teacher? After Barry stole the nomination, she bashed Hillary in the meditation before class. I cried through the whole class and have stopped going. I take a few private classes from her and I guess the fact that I’m paying her more money to do it privately shuts her up, but the other day she started Sarah Palin bashing. I swear, if she does it once more, it’s over.

My husband doesn’t like Barry at all, he’s just towing the party line. But my other friends? I didn’t know they had such venom in them. I feel so alone out here and to read so many of you saying, “I’m in L.A. too!” makes me feel so much better. Especially when I see that the polls for California have Barry 18 points ahead.

I take secret pleasure in watching Sarah Palin pieces on Fox. Is that wrong?

I’m going to click on your website, hillary or bust and maybe we can all help each other through this. p.s. like your screen name.
csuzeq

Thanks so much for the article Pat!

Try to send them real info and they dismiss it as Republican propaganda.

Absolutely!

I am on the verge of my boyfriend breaking up with me. He is questioning my core values since I can consider voting Republican! He thinks I am not the person he thought he knew. He sees BO as inspirational, great for the country and the world, a nice man falsely accused of things. I know Obama is a liar and I see him conning people every day and it makes me mad!

This is the worst election ever! Ever! Ever! I never want to see this happen again! I did lose a friend of mine over this. He is gay and was all for Hillary, hated BO, and when the primary was over he thought about sitting it out, but he says Republicans hate gays and I am voting for hate! He also started insulting me as a woman because he is scared blind of Sarah Palin and this was the second time he made sexist comments. It was the final straw. I have never been anything, but supportive of who he is and he attacks me as a woman.

This election has me very sad, very mad, and I cannot wait for it to be over!

LAMusing

I’m in LA too! Experiencing much the same thing. Two close friends are barely speaking to me and think I’m nuts. One gay male friend said if I vote for McCain it means I don’t care about him – he wanted me to promise not to vote McCain/Palin. (it’s Palin that is the big issue with him) So now there are a few friends I’m avoiding until after the election so I won’t lose their friendship too. Thankfully I have one strong PUMA friend and one friend who is undecided and therefor respects whatever choice I make. And my 77 year old mom is a PUMA too!

It’s lonely being a PUMA in LA

We need a support group! LOL

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I’m asking people from LA to email me if they want to have a meetup…

contact@hillaryorbust.com

I love No Quarter but I’m spending too much damn time here since I have no-one else to commiserate with locally
http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

I’m gay, and i can assure you the best thing you can do for your gay friend is to vote McCain.

Obama is no friend to the gay community.

In fact Obama is no friend to any community. He takes whatever position he needs to for the moment and not even a day need pass before he changes it…remember Jerusalem must not be divided (flipflop) lets chop her up!

Obama only cares about one issue, getting into the oval office.

FOr the gay community the best thing that can happen is total loss for the Democrats this election cycle forcing them to clean the stink of obama out of the party and learn once again what it means to actually stand for what they claim to stand for.

Trust me, ensuring McCain wins is the absolute best thing you can do for the democratic party. Its a bitter medicne but it is one they desperately need.

Remember 2000 and the absolute outrage over the voter fraud in florida and the stealing of the election?

Remember 2004 and the outrage over the swiftboat campaign?

Did you miss the primaries and caucuses this year? Guess who perportrated massive voter fraud and nomination stealing? Thats right, the Obama campaign and the complicit DNC and the bought and paid for $uperdelegates did that.

Did you miss the latest 527 ad from Obama supporters with a POW saying McCain is a bad man and shouldn’t be president? Trying to swiftboat him like was done to Kerry? Thats right its the Democrats who are doing that.

Did you miss all the talk about equal rights for women and then all the sexism from the left wing media and the DNC and even her own party members? Did you miss all the sexist attacks against Palin? Oh Gee Look its the Democrats doing it again.

They have lost touch with what the party stands for. In their mad rush to Force everyone to smoke the hopium they have lost all judgement and reason. This is not my democratic party anymore.

When a woman stands up and says Palins only qualification is that she has not had an abortion and that woman is the head of the Democratic party in a state…

When her husband who was the head of the DNC says God sent Hurricanes to screw the RNC and is on the Democrats side…

When a congressmen in the US House of Representatives stands at the podium and declares Senator Obama was a community organizer just LIKE JESUS and Pontius Pilate was a Governor…

When the man running as the Post racial candidate says They are going to scare you because i am black…

When his surrogates threaten riots if he is not selected and then elected…

When they call everyone a racist who dares question him in any way on policy experience judgement or character…

When a democrat has the balls to paint Bill and Hillary Clinton as racists after they have spent 35 years of heir lives helping the black community…

…thats not the Deomcratic party anymore…thats a party with a cancer of hate that must be cured.

The only cure is total defeat in November. Let them learn their lessons and remove the cancer and start rebuilding.

They deserve this upcoming loss in no uncertain Terms.

May god have mercy on their souls for what they have done to their own party.

When i close that curtain I will as a loyal democrat, pull the Lever for John McCain.

etc.

THANK YOU!!

I’m a lesbian and I catch so much crap for not voting Dem this year. I’m called a traitor and told that I’m voting against my own self-interests.

When are the Bots going to realize that no one like being told what is in “their own best interests?”

BTW Jeremiah – I always LOVE your posts.

PhxNickD

in 2004 23% of our community voted republican, I wonder what that percentage will be this year?

etc.

One of my gay friends (only one – mind you) really started comparing Obama and McCain when the Log Cabin Republicans officially endorsed McCain.

NoBamaNoWay

say it.
Melisa

great and very informative post!
Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

PREACH ON, JEREMIAH! HALLELUIAH!
jnm594

When i close that curtain I will as a loyal democrat, pull the Lever for John McCain.

Ditto.

Another gay democrat that will be doing the same!

PhxNickD

Inform your gay friend that gay & lesbian Alaska state employees enjoy domestic partner benefits due to direct actions taken by Sarah Palin within one month of office as governor. As a gay man, I have absolutely no problem with Palin due to her actions taken on this issue – where as Obama’s actions showed us what he really thought of the community when he refused to take a picture with Gavin Newsom.
CountryFirst

I’m in KY with insomnia enjoying reading your comments. Have your gay friend read this article by Matt Gonzales, a former president of San Francisco Board of Supervisors. It’s a study of Obama’s record that he researched and it’s well written and well organized. There’s a paragraph in it about Obama and his stance on gay marraige.

http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

etc.

Hey Kentucky!
Zelda Crunch

That dude Gonzales is one very naive person.

Steven Mather

ZC,

I disagree. Gonzales presents a very good argument, which he backs up with examples.
The argument he presents is a progressive Democrat argument against supporting Obama.

You may believe progressive Democrats are naive and, therefore, that Gonzales is naive. Obama appears to believe that if he says something it must be the case. Saying something is so, however, does not make it so. If you want to claim progressive Democrats are naive, then the onus is on you to prove they are naive, unless you are like Obama, who determines what “is” by his words.

SM

John Smith

If you loose friends over an election then they were not your friends to begin with. They were just people that you had something in common. Friends can be bitter competitors and still be friends.

DAB

I wish that I agreed with you but good people seem to have become demented with this whole thing and after all, How Do You Disown Your Own Family?

I wish it were as simple as “friends can be competitors”. Tolerance and respect seem to have been thrown out the window with this election.

Thank God my husband and I totally agree here or we would probably be headed for divorce court right about now.

fif

Did your friend see the Palin interview on 20/20 last Thursday? Gibson asked her about homosexuality, and without blinking she very sincerely said, “I would never presume to judge…I have a large diverse family…” It was very real and kind. Meanwhile, Obama is out campaigning in SC with Donnie McClurin who was “healed” from being gay, and Obama doesn’t support gay marriage because with a man and a woman “God is in the mix.” I guess God doesn’t show up for gay weddings. So, where’s the difference?

This demonization of Palin and sanctification of Obama is disturbing. People don’t want facts–it’s primeval.
btintaos

Try being a PUMA in Taos. There are so many hippies and assorted woowoos here that I’m begging to associate Obama with pachouli oil.

beebop

I have lived in Texas and am now in the midwest. In the past, I had friends who considered themselves liberatarians or republicans with whom I could not discuss politics because I was so convinced that they were WRONG WRONG WRONG. I have renewed these friendships and since this was always the only bone of contention between us, I find that my instincts have been rewarded. Please go out and renew or find new people. Don’t mourn the old. You have moved on. Hopefully they will at some point too.

andyfromCA

I go to college in LA and spend my vacations in Orange County. There is a palpable difference. LA county will always go for a Dem, no matter what level of office – Obama seems to have made the liberal crowd even more enthusiastic.

Most of my friends were hyped about Obama about a year ago – a few of them are still very vocal about it, but the rest are must meh. Take it from a young person: young ppl cannot be counted on to be politically and civically committed.

I have seen Obama for what he is – but I’ve been vacillating lately, especially w/ the way the market is going right now. I want to vote for the ticket that will do right by my generation, so that we won’t end up paying out of our asses the debt that has been accumulating for the past decades. I want to have a safety net like SS when I reach that age.

I really wish we had Hillary running right now, then I’d be very clear for me.

We all know which way CA will swing; I just hope that the “battleground” voters have a full grasp of the issues, stakes and differences b/t the two tickets. Personally, I’m leaning McCain. I’m a former Hillary dem helped her campaign solicit contributions on campus.
Zelda Crunch

They’re weak. They’re ‘sheeple’ – sheep in the form of people. They like very simple solutions (#1 ingredient of fascism). They like entire political campaigns organised around two monosyllabic words. They have their candidate; they already know the score; they have someone to look up to and worship; they’re not people – not ‘homo sapiens’ in the true sense of the word (with ‘sapiens’ acting as the operative word).

KathyNeocon

Here’s a hug for you {{{}}}. Sorry to hear you’re going through that, but you’re not alone in seeing Obama for what he is (a paper doll), and for pulling away from a Democratic party that’s been hijacked by extreme leftist thugs. My friends for the most part don’t get it either, but we agree to disagree. This is America and thank God I live in a country where I can vote for whoever I want. If a friend of mine is so myopic or extreme that they can’t accept me voting Republican, then good riddance. I won’t dump them for voting for Obama–I figure they’re just drunk on Koolaid…poor babies.

Ani

I have likewise just given up talking to certain people about it. The lines have been drawn, unfortunately, so I just don’t bother. Frankly, if after I present them with all this evidence, they still cover their ears and go “lalalalalalalala,” then I just can’t expend any more energy.

They are responsible for their own votes, just as I am responsible for mine.

Also, I think after 8 years of Bush, they just assume all Republicans are evil and paint everyone with the same brush. Kind of like what they are doing with Democrats. They don’t understand that not every Democrat is exactly the same. Not all of us want to follow Obama off a cliff.

He is so inconsistent, never mind inexperienced, I can’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth. How can I then, in all good conscience (and believe me, like most everyone here I expect, I’ve thought about this a lot) be expected to give the man my vote. I simply cannot.

I am sad that most will not take the time to do a little research and get past the nonsense the mainstream media puts out.
Vicki

Last night Milt Rosenberg had David Freddoso of National Review on his radio show in Chicago, station WGN. Here’s a piece from National Review Online’s “The Corner” blog this morning:

Chicago Talk Radio Host Milt Rosenberg had NRO’s own David Freddoso, author of The Case Against Barack Obama, his show tonight [last night actually]. Rosenberg’s producer emails to say that they’re again trying to silence Freddoso, just like they did when Stanley Kurtz was on recently:

Tonight, we have David Freddoso on our show discussing his new book. As we speak, thousands of Obama supporters are flooding our phone lines and e-mail boxes, just as they did for our show with Stanley Kurtz. An Obama Action Wire was sent out tonight to intimidate us into taking Freddoso off the air.

The podcast of Freddoso’s appearence will be available on Milt’s website immediately after the show.

Link with many embedded links, including one to allow you to download the podcast:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MWY4Y2VhYjhjOGQ3N2JlOTE5NTY0MzM3Mzg3YTM1MTE=
btintaos

That is such a healthy and empowering attitude, KathyNeocon. If they want to dump you, fine, but you won’t dump them. You are my enlightened hero of the day.

KathyNeocon

Thanks, I think. I hope you’re not being sarcastic. It’s not too often I’m referred to as “enlightened,” so pardon me if I’m suspicious–LOL.

btintaos

No, I’m not being sarcastic at all.

NoBO

I still try to get some friends and relatives clued in on Obama but things have gotten to the point where it’s best to not talk politics. They’re all shocked that I’d even consider voting for a Republican.

richasis

divide and conquer…

Gabrielle

I, too, have had similar experiences. As well, I agreed to disagree with Republican friends in the past, even my ex-Republican fiance! (That’s not why he’s ex, btw.)

I’m still flummoxed by all my friends who were previously pro-Hillary and as soon as Barky was handed the nomination, they said “oh well, I guess I’ll get on his train now.” My god, WHY?!? The previous week they were picking out his flaws WITH me!

And now? One friend, whom I’ve always deemed as one of the most intelligent people I know, has this message posted on her Facebook. “{Name} is probably gonna have to punch some people if she can’t get tickets to see Barack on Thursday.” WTH? Did they slip Kool-aid into her mochachino?

I feel lost in a sea of sheep. Sheep who used to be cognizant that they weren’t sheep and we happy to independent thinkers. I can’t fathom how anyone comes to an independent decision that Barky is a good thing.

etc.

“I feel lost in a sea of sheep. Sheep who used to be cognizant that they weren’t sheep and we happy to independent thinkers. ”

I know! Suddenly it’s like all my friends have to “prove” they’re intellectuals by voting for Obama. I tell them, when you stop thinking for yourself, you lose the right to consider yourself an intellectual.

I’d rather be included in those “low educated” voters than to swallow the horseshit the Obamabots are spewing.

This year, I’ll be a proud low educated white woman.

Zelda Crunch

I’d rather be included in those “low educated” voters than to swallow the horseshit the Obamabots are spewing.

Those ‘low educated’ voters have shown again they’re the real thinkers. Opening a book and reading it doesn’t mean you’re not a mindless moron.

Pink Panther

I can relate to this.

I live on the Central Coast of California and have been involved in progressive politics for years. I have never seen such vile behavior coming from people I politically disagree with as Obama supporters. It’s as though some strange virus has taken over their brains. A lifelong friend stopped talking with me because of my refusal to support Obama. Many of my political associates, whom still agree with me on other local political issues, have stopped talking with me because I will not lend my name as an Obama supporter.

Even the neocons were kinder and more caring during my opposition to the Iraq war and the installation of Bush in 2000 and 2004 than the Obama supporters.

Good night all.

Retired

PP – don’t worry, there are plenty of reasonable non-Obamatons where we live. You just have to know where to find them, and I’m not talking about the Santa Barbara or SLO county Republican Central Committee, either! My recommendation is to have breakfast on Saturday in Buellton or Solvang and start searching in about a 50 mile radius. If you get to SLO or SB, you’ve driven too far. And if you see a red Vette C6 “vert” with a seven letter vanity plate honk, you’ve probably found me.

Pink Panther

Go further to north until you hit the north SLO Coastal area. If you see a white 56 T-bird, say hi.

Retired

White ’56 T-Bird! Very American Graffiti and classic Central Coast. I’ll be on the lookout.

Andrew

Santa Barbara is my home town. If you’re in SB, try driving up San Marcos Pass on a week night to Cold Springs Tavern. A lot of like-minded people are tucked away up there.

Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

My goodness, this election has brought us to forming resistance movements like WWII Europe.

http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

Being anti-Obama has not affected any of my friendships. My buddies and I always bust each other’s balls.

I’m hardcore liberal and have rightwing friends, so obviously, a divide over Obama with my liberal friends is NOT a big deal.

But then again, I don’t talk about Obama at all with my black friends. They’re all so caught up in the Obamania. They’ve all lost it. They’ve put all their hopes and dreams into that con man. The entire black community has lost it. It’s like OJ, but 10 times worst: African Americans are just Hell bent on seeing white racism where white racism doesn’t exist. “OJ is innocent!” Yeah, right…

KathyNeocon

Too true. That’s the same bunch who cheered for OJ when he was acquitted. Pathetic and disgusting.

Zelda Crunch

That’s the same bunch who bullied pensioners at caucuses around the country and broke every rule in the book.

NoBamaNoWay

true; i try not to even mention obama when there are any black people around, because i know if i say one unfavorable thing about him, they’ll be thinking, “that racist bitch….”
i feel differently about black people now, because previously i thought that, sure, they probably had some resentment about slavery and racism in this country, it’s understandable; but i thought that they were willing to give us the benefit of the doubt, and judge/treat us all equally, but since i’ve seen the way they went 95% for Obama over every other democrat in the primary, it just makes me wonder. i mean, i’m a woman, but women split roughly equally between the dem primary candidates and between mccain/obama; it shows that we are at least thinking somewhat independently and judging people on things other than gender. AAs practiced total race-based voting, but nobody is supposed to notice or say anything.

TheReezen

95% of AA’s turning out to support Obama is bad enough. But seeing all of the “men of God” spout their putrid hateful sermons of a horrifying but thankfully long emancipated history of their people in a way that is convincing present day AA’s and their children (who were not alive during times of slavery and never experienced slavery) to bedgrudge present day Caucasian people (who also were not alive during times of slavery and never expierenced owning a slave). The participants in the events of this year’s voting process have convinced me AA’s were never interested in equal educations, jobs, and lifestyles. They’re only interested in exacting retribution on innocent Caucasian ancestors of people who made grievious mistakes until the practice of slavery was abolished. The USA has made much progress over the past 40 years for the cause of the AA’s. Their lives have greatly improved. The “men of God” seem to be trying to wipe out all of the genuine progress the AA’s have made with their sermons and approval of voting tactics unworthy of either race, and stirring feelings of malcontent that are unnecessary. I, too, feel differently about some black people now and I don’t like being put in this position because I have a black man who is a father-figure to me and many black friends. It really sucks.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

OK I have an opposite story to share, where I’m steering clear of a friend who just drunk the Kool-aid. This good friend of mine lives in another state and was very anti-Obama as well, and we used to talk about it a lot. She knows I have my Hillary blog and I’m an active PUMA. When Palin was chosen I was super excited and called to talk to her about it.

Then I remembered my friend had recently gone really loopy over animal rights. I emailed the friend to try to be the first to give her the news that Palin was a hunter, but to try to understand that this was based on her spiritual Christian beliefs and we should not judge her on that (and I submitted a link to a great article about a woman hunter from the Sierra Club).

My friend got really rude about this and stopped talking to me. Then late last week she sent me a donation receipt she had just gotten from the OBAMA CAMPAIGN. I was stunned. And I told her, look, you can vote for who you want, but knowing how I feel about him, throwing this in my face like this is really sh*tty.

I can’t believed she flip-flopped to actually donating to Obama considering she used to seem to dislike him as much as I do. It’s almost like she did it to personally spite me. I mean, sure don’t vote for Palin if the hunting thing bothers you, but actually donating to a guy you said you despised? Bizarre.

We’re not speaking now. I have some other concerns about her (I like her a lot but she’s constantly depressed and negative) so I’m OK with the break.

KathyNeocon

Sorry to hear that, but she sounds unstable. Best to let that friendship die on the vine.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Yeah, she has issues. I’ve been patient but she’s one of those people who seems to never get better, never improve, never get out of the hole. And I like her but if I can’t even have a rational discussion with her over Sarah Palin because she’s getting emotionally destablized at the thought of an animal getting killed…well…

I’m not against people who are vegan or pro-animal rights, but I have observed that a certain percentage of them use the issue to project their own emotional crap onto. Then they get really crazy about it. Fear of death or something.

etc.

Yikes. Sorry about your friend. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but she sounds like a perfect victim for the bots kool-aid. One issue and they get crazed. And it certainly doesn’t sound like she listens to reason. The bots will have snapped her right up.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

You know, if she had changed her vote due to her anti-hunting beliefs, and told me rationally, that would have been one thing. Emailing me a donation receipt for Obama with a snarky comment, when she knows how active I have been with my PUMA blog, was just a slap in the face and a purposeful insult. I don’t like her choice but that’s not my real issue – it was her attitude and delivery that I’m not taking kindly to.

Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

She should donate to WSPA. I was on their list and got constant spam from Care2Care. I enjoyed donating to a worthy cause, and I thought the WSPA newsletter telling you how your money was successfully spent was very encouraging. Here is a BBC article on helping Afghanistan working horses and mules:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2831087.stm

But the Care2Care list which associated itself with WSPA was always manipulative and grim. I’d mark them as spam, but they’d still return in my inbox from time to time.

I was horrified when one read STOP SARAH PALIN FROM SHOOTING WOLVES. That crossed the line from activism to politics and even was a smear against a candidate. It was tasteless.

What Obama is doing, tying his campaign to animal rights activism by encouraging people to donate to his campaign instead of worthy charities is offensive and unethical. This man enrages me on a daily basis.

Oh, and btw when are the Obamas going to get around to adopting a shelter dog? What ever happened to that story?

hank48188

I just found out that being a Vegan will make your brain shrink. One of the big reason for mans evolution was when they started eating meat and their brain got larger. If you are a Vegan please keep this in mind.

Zelda Crunch

Nerves are shattered in this campaign. Just think if it was Hillary and McCain going down the home stretch, having their cozy debates. Just think how unified this country would be today.

Northwest rain

Yes I do know exactly what your talking about.

My husband’s brother and his wife believe that Soetoro is perfect — he can do no wrong. They were so jazzed after listening to Obama’s “racism” speech — which was B.S.

How these people can be so dumb is beyond me. The sister in law was strongly anti-war and she seems to believe that her perfect Obama will end war forever.

War is part of the human genetic code — and as Jane Goodall discovered the chimps engage in warfare against the “other” chimp tribes.

Today we learned that Obama was attempting to convince the Iraqi leadership to keep the war going on longer in order to improve Obama’s chances at winning in November. (How traitorous, arrogant and rude of Soetoro.)

I expect that the hard core Obamabots will ignore Obama-Soetoro’s latest swindle and forgive him again — deciding that their messiah didn’t really mean it — or make some other excuse for the POS Obama-Seotoro.

Meanwhile — I’ve got inlaws whom I really don’t care to see ever again.

This has happened to many families — husbands & wives, parents and children. I’ve read so many comments in the NQ comments about estranged families — thanks to the newest “uniter” — Soetoro.

KathyNeocon

Very true and so ironic. The so-called uniter and new kind of politician surrounds himself with the most intolerant, extremist, hateful thugs (like that spiritual mentor of his), and engenders such behavior and intolerance in his faithful. For them it’s Obama or your insane and stupid and not fit to live.

Zelda Crunch

Tell me where this differs from Hitler’s tactics.

Ai1een

Yeah – The Obama Race Speech…

The one where everyone forgot that the whole reason America was glued to their TV sets was because HE was going to a completely over the top anti white black liberationist church, i.e. practicing RACISM for 20 years.

Obama always comes out smelling like a rose – scary.
csuzeq

My boyfriend is the same way, Obama is anti-war (but he wants to get out of Iraq and more into Afghanistan and into Pakistan), peace, love and joy from Obarfy. Then it’s Roe V Wade, and the SCOTUS (how can I not see that as a 30-40 year problem just for sour grapes?).

He and I had a long talk about issues over the weekend. Well, a few long talks. Anyway, we are very similar on the issues, but he talks like I am a traitor. What I find astonishing always no matter who I talk to about issues is that everyone is pretty F’d up in their thinking.

Explain to me:

Why are people who are so pro abortion (yes, I am realizing it’s not about choice with many) so anti war because of death? In abortion, a life is ended, as well. On the other side you have pro war people, the death of soldiers is necessary and honorable, but to kill a fetus is not. Hello? Do any of us really know what we are talking about when death on one side is fine, but on the other not fine?

How about Governor Richardson, sending out his beggar letter to try and haul in money to elect democratic Governors? I got one yesterday. I sent it back and said, sorry Judas. No money here. Pontius Pilate was a Governor, right? Or is that just if talking about Republican Governors? I am sick to death of everyone’s intolerance of everyone else and the double standards!

If a nominee is corrupt and dangerous for our country, I don’t care which letter you put next to your name. It is beyond ridiculous to elect someone like that in a political position they are seeking!

It is time to have these debates and it is time to learn to love each other!

athy

OT but very interesting.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809150367

“Camp Obama” to train volunteers in Berkeley

On Sunday, September 21, 2008, National Obama Campaign leader, Paul Scully will hold “Camp Obama” – a training seminar – along with Campaign for Change volunteers in order to prepare volunteers to

be more skilled and efficient

in preparation for the November election.

The camp will be held at the Berkeley Recreation Center, 630 Rt 9 in Bayville, New Jersey (Ocean County). The event takes place from 1-6 with registration beginning at 12:30. Space is limited to the first 150 people so please be sure to register early.

For details about this event and many others planned for the area, please visit jerseyshore4obama.org and click events. If you cannot attend any of the events in person – the site offers many other ways you can help. Remember, there are less than 7 weeks left and still lots of work to do!

WHAT DOES

“TRAIN VOLUNTEERS TO BE MORE SKILLED AND EFFICIENT IN PREPARATION FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION”

MEAN, EXACTLY? Five hours worth of training?Volunteer Poll workers dont even get that much training time.

C.S.

~”WHAT DOES “TRAIN VOLUNTEERS TO BE MORE SKILLED AND EFFICIENT IN PREPARATION FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION”
MEAN, EXACTLY?”~

It means war. Preparing “volunteers” to be “skilled and efficient” at a political election under the authority of a State where campaigning is forbidden anywhere near the polling place is unnecessary.

Neither do campaign workers canvasing neighborhoods need “skilled and efficient” training to say, “Hi, vote for my guy because…”

We saw “skilled and efficient” Bush Republicans invading the recount center in Florida when that count began to go Gore’s way.

This is a ominous, portentous sign of things to come in November. ARMIES need “skilled and efficient” training to combat enemies, not citizen voters. If we want an honest election we need to demand one now before the foot soldiers in Soetoro/Obama’s war against the voters begins because, from the comments being made here, there are no plans to take prisoners.

bethtopaz

As a Republican in Northern California (close to Davis and not far from Berkeley) most of my friends, clients and acquaintances are liberal Democrats, most of which assume that I believe as they do.

When the subject of politics is raised and they find out where I stand, some of them look at me with disbelief, like I’m an alien from a different planet.

I always tell them that the wonderful thing about living in America is that we can agree to disagree. But so many times I find intolerance, I’m sorry to say.

A very close friend dropped me, also, a few years back over politics.

Two of my dear friends (liberal Democrats who say they’re voting for Nader this year) here in Winters call me their “favorite Republican.”

You guys here are a breath of fresh air.

Republicans actually have a really big tent. There are folks who are “under the tent” for social issues, others for national security issues and yet others because they are fiscal conservatives with libertarian leanings – and some for all three of what Republicans call the three-legged stool.

There are Republicans who are pro-choice and those who are pro-life, etc. We all don’t always agree, but usually find some point of commonality.

A great website to follow the race (especially the polls – these guys are poll-analyzing junkies) is http://www.race42008.com.

Ai1een

Thanks bethtopaz –
I didn’t know about that site – added to favorites.
Perry Logan

I don’t believe Republicans have a big tent.

On the contrary, today’s Republican Party consists mostly of aging white males. The Democrats are everyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw

karen for Clinton (sigh, McPalin now)

Perry, you have really been on a massive republican bashing kick lately. I wouldn’t have minded it and would have joined you in doing so in the past decades but this year is different.

First of all what you wrote is not the least bit true.

Approximately 44% of Asians, 44% of Hispanics, 15% of Blacks and 45% of Women voted Republican in the last major election. And this year those numbers might be way, way higher.

You might not like McCain or Palin, but some of us realize there is a whole lot wrong THIS YEAR with the Democratic Party we supported for so long and that this year the Republicans have fielded two acceptable candidates.

McCain was Kerry’s pick for VP 4 years ago and there are plenty of Dems who have long praised him, including HRC. McCain is NOT Bush.

I didn’t switch my party to Republican – I switched to Unaffiliated. I am giving up some of my core issues and have a clear conscience.

As you said not long ago – Woe Betide the Democrats.

MEchelle Hates America!

Pat –

You’re too good for them. They don’t deserve such a smart talented friend. These idiot so-called “friends of yours” should be paying you for your advice.

Repeat to yourself:

I was right about Bush.

I was right about Iraq.

I’m right about Oblowme.

My circle knows that I was right and out in front on the first two, so if they want to be jerks about Oblowme I’ll pay for their LOSER tattoos.

I make life and death decisions on the job. Figuring out that Oblowme is a disaster is easy.

Thank you Pat for your fabulous artwork, creativity, and thought provoking posts.

It’s terrible that Unity Pony Oblowme’s “new” politics is so ugly and awful.

The jackasses in your cartoon should have jackal faces because that’s what they have turned into under “The Messiah’s” dictatorship.

Ani

I love your analysis of the situation — yes I was right on the first two, too — so I am also positive I am right about Obama.

It is a good thing to remember.

Thank you for putting this so well, MEchelle…

tarma

Me,too. When I’m accused of being “delusional” or whatever, I just remind myself that, as usual, I’m way ahead of the curve.

helen

The idea of being politically correct has been preached to the point of being more important than truth.
You have a generation that thinks everyone has to pay for historical sins whether they committed them or not.
Many can not face the fact that obama is not all that he claims to be.
It is more important not to seem to be racist then to look out for your country.

The damage that was done in this election cycle will take many years to correct.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

BTW, the two points I emphasis the most with my liberal friends on Obama are these:

1. Obama won through caucus fraud.
2. Obama received the most Wall Street money of any of the candidates.

By communicating those two talking points, some of my friends have been open to seeing that Obama might be a corporate tool. Liberals don’t like corporate tools.

But the sexism argument does not go over as well.

Ani

good to know. tx!
etc.

I’m afraid my friends would rather gouge out their eyes than see the truth.
Pink Panther

Hillary or Bust,
Isn’t it interesting that the liberals no longer care (or maybe they never cared) about sexism.

As I mentioned before, when going through my sexual harassment lawsuit, the liberals ran from me. The Independents and moderate Republicans supported me.

http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

My friend (who was as big a hillary supporter as I was) lives in an urban neigborhood here in Florida.

He had a McCain bumper sticker he put on his truck after Palin was selected.

He parks outside in front of his duplex.

Now he has lived there for almost 2 years and never had a problem with his truck.

The first night his truck was keyed on the drivers side door and on the hood.

The next night someone threw a rock through his driver side window.

He took the truck in and had the window replaced and removed the McCain Bumper sticker and put an Obama Bumper Sticker on in its place.

His truck has not been damaged since.

Every time anyone mentions Obama around him he always cracks that he is considering suing them for damages.

He is still voting for McCain.

KathyNeocon

Disturbing but not surprising behavior from the terrorist thug Obamabots. They’re trying to scare everyone into voting for the messiah. Let them riot and tear up their neighborhoods if McCain wins–what morons.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I am planning on staying in the night of the election because when McCain wins (which I believe he will) I do think parts of LA might go up in flames. I moved here right after the 1992 riots and this place is probably due for another uprising.

http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

Sadley you will be proven right.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I don’t live in South Central so I’m not that concerned for myself so much. I live in an apartment building with people of all races in a nice, modest residential area. I don’t think anyone here is suddenly going to go nuts. If it does happen, it would start off in South Central and maybe go on into parts of Hollywood, Koreatown to Downtown, East LA. You would not want to be driving around if that was going on.

http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

“I am planning on staying in the night of the election because when McCain wins (which I believe he will) I do think parts of LA might go up in flames. I moved here right after the 1992 riots and this place is probably due for another uprising.”

Please NO! I’m visiting my brother during the week of the election–in LA!

I’m gonna vote absentee, of course. FOR MCCAIN-PALIN.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Where does your brother live? If he’s not in South Central I wouldn’t panic over it.

http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

Huntington. But a riot kinda ruins the ambiance, no?

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Huntington is way down south in Orange County. If anything happens you will be WAY out of the line of fire. That’s not even close to LA. So don’t worry.

csuzeq

I am taking off the 4th to be an election judge or video the vote and I am taking a day off on the 5th to see the fallout. I am afraid there will be riots on 11/5 and would rather not be exposed to it! My kids will be home from school as well.
Andrew

I live four blocks from Harlem. Until I saw the latest polls showing NY close to turning red, I thought it would be okay around here, because at least people would be able to understand that their immediate neighbors were mostly on their side. Now I think I’ll be staying home election night. At least we have a mayor who won’t stand for any nonsense, and a police department to back him up. No doubt the entire force will be mobilzed and ready. Because no doubt BHO will neglect to say in his concession what any responsible, patriotic candidate would say, which is that the election was about a choice between two candidates, not two races, and he lost it fair and square.

karen for Clinton (sigh, McPalin now)

I have a friend who has a business in the Bronx. She recently installed a security door and will also be taking off on the 4th and 5th. As a security measure she has an obama sign just in case she has to place it in the window quick.

She deals with the public and has heard many people discuss the possibility of riots. She thinks they will riot if he loses or if he WINS.

His supporters expect that CHANGE from him that he’s been touting. They think Michelle will show up on their doorstep with their piece of the pie.

She’s constantly astounded by how delusional they are – they all affix different meanings to CHANGE.

They convinced themselves he is their only HOPE.

As soon as the Hopey-Changey BS bursts they will blame anybody and everybody. They are not just in the tank – they’re worshiping a false idol.

richasis

“Let them riot and tear up their neighborhoods if McCain wins…”

IF I WERE PRESIDENT McCAIN, I WOULD “VETO” ANY BILL TO REBUILD THESE CITIES THAT HAVE BURNED AND ASK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS THROUGH THEIR CONGRESSCRITTERS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE ANY SUCH TAXPAYER FUNDING.

IF YES, SO BE IT – THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER SHALL REBUILD THE CITIES.

IF NO, LET COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS REBUILD THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS!

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Yeah, this is why I don’t have a McCain sticker on my car. I’m in LA and I would guess that a lot of people here are afraid of vandalism with a McCain sticker, because I haven’t seen them and I sure did see Bush stickers here in 2004.
NoBamaNoWay

not surprising at all; i lived in Tampa for 5 years, and there were thugs-a-plenty there. they don’t need much of an excuse to show themselves to be the punks they are; disrespecting their Savior would certainly suffice. i left tampa precisely because of that kind of social dysfunctionality, and no way in hell do i want obama to import it to the entire US.

Perry Logan

The Obots here in Austin haven’t bothered me much so far. They know that if they do anything to me or mine, I will hunt them down and kill them.

Ai1een

Pat –
I’ve been going through this as well – only, it’s with some family members…that’s a tough one.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tristkiss trist

I know as well what expressing your anti-messiah stance can mean to relationships. My extended family is split. Of those who actually vote, half were for Obama (simply because he’s black as they themselves told me) the other half for Hillary.

The other day we had services for my cousin who passed away from cancer. Afterwards everyone came to my house where we served dinner.

For the most part I’ve learned not to mention politics around them to keep the peace. But at one point in the evening I came into the room where some family members had been talking about recent events. Palin’s pic for instance. My uncle said to me, “well we tried to get Hillary in didn’t we?” he was as sad as I am that it didn’t happen this year. But I told him she’ll be back in 4 and next time we won’t fail!
Then I talked with my cousin in law, Jenny who is white BTW and a republican who happened to mention that she was on the phone the other day with someone she was acquaintances with, but didn’t know very well. She said they got to talking politics and the man told her how pissed off he was with the cheating and everything that had happened during the primary that kept Hillary out. And he told her he was a PUMA and was working to help fix things. She said she didn’t know what a PUMA was, so he had to explain it to her. I was surprised when she told me this. I was like “I’m A PUMA too!” This was the first time I had heard about someone being a PUMA who I didn’t know from online. And I told her, we really are EVERYWHERE!

And yeah we will fix things for sure!
PUMA POWER!
LAMusing

The greatest blessing to me (a liberal third generation “down ticket” Democrat) has been realizing I was as closed minded as I always accused Republicans of being. In a weird way it’s very freeing to actually LISTEN to BOTH candidates. I am impressed by McCain, I am impressed with Palin though I disagree with a few of their positions. So what’s new – never agreed 100 percent with any Dem I voted for (not even Bill, although he came the closest).

I am UNIMPRESSED with Obama. Okay, that’s a HUGE understatement.

I am disgusted with the DNC who thought my menopausal typical white democratic ass (and all the other Dems they dismissed and mocked), would fall in line “because they have no choice”. Really?

Whoo Hoo – I’m voting McCain/Palin.

PUMA

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Yeah I learned to be more tolerant and open through this whole process too.
etc.

Such a wonderful comment LAMusing. I think the only good thing Obama has done is made it possible for us all to see every side of an issue.

You mentioned in an earlier comment about your gay male friend. What is it with them this year? I’m a lesbian, so most of my friends are really down my throat about not worshiping The One.

I get the same “you’re a traitor” and “how can you think of voting against your own best interests” line for every one of them.

dpvegas

I’ve heard the best interests spiel. Reminds me of when I was up in the wee hours with one of my new babies, thinking, “So, where are all the damned experts now? In bed, that’s where!” In other words, I know my best interests better than anyone else, and I can still vote for whomever I feel best exemplifies them, and Barky’s not it. In fact, Barky is the extreme opposite.

And I’m voting against them down ticket, too (in case any dem pol from Nevada is reading this).

etc.

exactly. I’m so sick of being hit over the head with women’s issues. Or gay issues. Or social issues.

Obama represents NONE of these issues. I’m voting against down ticket, too. Tough lessons learned, I guess.

csuzeq

And everyone will beat to death an issue, but then we never get anywhere near actually fixing anything in this country! For 7 years we have talked about shoring up the borders and nothing! Roe V. Wade, what has been done to secure these rights, nothing. Homelessness, nothing.

Dem or Republican, nothing, nothing, nothing.

http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

“One gay male friend said if I vote for McCain it means I don’t care about him.”

LA, you might remind your gay friend of Lawrence v. Texas, the historic gay rights decision by the Supreme Court. (It’s our Brown vs. Board of Education.) The two majority opinions were written by Reagan appointees Sarah Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy, both Republicans. It’s sad that he’s swallowed so much propaganda that he lives in unnecessary fear. Facts are so liberating!

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I have a gay friend who does not like Obama. Remind your friend that Obama refused to have his photo taken with the San Francisco Mayor since he did not want to be perceived as being pro gay marriage.

btintaos

That photo issue regarding Gavin Newsom was one of the initial reasons I turned from Obama. Besides, Obama has never marched in a Chicago gay pride parade, whereas Hillary marches in them every year. But then I guess when you’re on the DL, you’re not going to keep public company with drag queens and boys in jock straps. Oh! I can’t believe I just wrote that. Nasty rumor, nasty rumor.

elise

This is crazy, isn’t it Pat? My eldest granddaughter is old enough to vote this year and the last time she came to visit, I started talking about Obama with her mother and she was really quiet. She has to find out on her own just as I did the first time I voted. My daughter is a Democrat and she won’t vote for Obama, but she is shocked I will vote for McCain. She said she would stay home. I tried to explain my reasoning, but I don’t think she understands. You are so right about people not listening to any thing negative against him. It would be good to believe they will change their minds at some point, but they have invested too much in terms of emotion
Steve

One has to remember that Obama was seen as the politician that transcends politics as usual. He masqueraded as the politician who, because of his mixed heritage, would unite the country and fulfil the Dream of Dr. King.
He promised one America, not two, one blue, one red.

But what happened? Not only are the gaps between the two parties larger than the Grand Canyon, not only is the county even more divided into blue and red, black and white, old and young, male and female, now even his own party is breaking apart, because the Obama supporters get really rabid when any kind of criticism is aired, regardless by whom.

After the resounding defeat in West Virginia, Pouffle or Axelrod declared that these union card carrying redneck white rural voters voting for Clinton would not concern the Obama campaign, because they vote Republican anyhow… Registered Dems who come out for Clinton in record numbers and they vote for the Republican ticket anyhow? Right, if the candidate of the democrats is Obama. Leaves them no other option, right?

Clinton supporters have been told to get over it, shut up, fall in line, otherwise the ONE may lose. So far, I still wait for any sign that Obama is a Democrat with a democratic agenda. Right now, all I hear from the “uniter, not a divider” is smear and abuse aimed at the opponent and faked rage infront of his supporters.

By cutting and rubbing salt into wounds, you can not heal the country, you make sure that there are some pretty deep scars and that it will hurt like hell.

The Democrats are pissing away the biggest gimme in political history. And all that just because of ambition and arrogance.

Just try to imagine Clinton as candidate. Both sides would bombard us with plans and solutions to problems. We would have seen 10 townhalls of McCain and Clinton side by side, answering the questions on the issues in a gracious, but competitive way. What a change that would have been from the politics as usual that we see now?!!!

etc.

So true, Steve. Townhalls with Clinton and McCain would have brought an elegance and class to these elections. Instead we’re suffocated with voter fraud and self-devotion by a hollow candidate.

C.S.

Oh, Soertoro/Obama “transcends politics as usual” all right!

When was the last time you saw a political candidate build himself a fake Greek temple to give an acceptance speech for a prearranged “win”?

When was the last time you saw a political candidate be so confident of a “win” before he became a candidate that he created his own “presidential seal”?

When was the last time you saw a political candidate dare paint over an American flag with a person symbol, pre or post 9/11, during war or in peacetime?

And when did you last see a political figure do a finger flip at someone? I’ve seen two; one was George W. Bush and the other was Barry/Barack Soetoro/Obama. And you know what they say, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.”

richasis

the new politics of hope…

csuzeq

the new politics of hype!

John Smith

As I mentioned above. Real friends don’t go their separate ways just because of politics or they were not real friends to begin with. Family on the other hand go their separate ways regardless of politics but usually come together once a year regardless.

http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I don’t think this is an issue of friendship so much as people getting brainwashed. I’m serious. Obama supporters who are completely unwilling to hear any reason think and act like cult members. They need to be deprogrammed.

As some of us were speculating here recently, Obama may be using hypnotic/NLP techniques in speeches to indoctrinate people to his cause. That, with an effective left-wing ground operation, has created the cult from what I can tell.

http://www.politicsandcriticalthinking.blogspot.com CT

“Obama supporters who are completely unwilling to hear any reason think and act like cult members. They need to be deprogrammed.”

Scary aren’t they? Kind of like a Scientologist meets Jim Jones. This is what us “Bubbas” on the Right have been saying for awhile.
Zelda Crunch

Has your lack of support for Barack Obama cost you any highly valued friends?

Friends and business (customers) both. In all situations without exception we’ve been attacked with vitriol and so don’t feel bad about losing such relationships. But it’s hurt us bad economically.

John Smith

In business it is best to keep your politics to your self. I always say that I don’t have any use for politics. I found it they best way to get out of talking about it at all.

wodiej

I agree.

John Smith

Well if that is true then that is an other reason why McCain has to win by a landslide so that Obama’s political carrier will be finished once and for all. It would be very hard to came back from a major defeat in a year like this.
secularhumanizinevoluter

Well, frankly you bubbas on the right are just as head up your asses as any obamazoid I’ve ever had the displeasure to argue with. I say a plague on BOTH your houses.

csuzeq

You know what it is? It is the lunatics on both sides. The squeeky wheel gets the grease and all these nut jobs left or right are the ones calling, writing and emailing their congress people. Everyone needs to get involved giving input into these bills and how we want our representatives to vote. They have only been hearing form the loonies because the rest of us are exhausted working, putting food on the table and caring for our families! I will devote a few hours each week to make sure I keep tabs on my elected officials and they hear from middle America and not the nut cases!
d4hillary

You noticed them too! I may vote Republican for the first time ever but I’m not becoming one. Quit trying to stir up black/white hate. Most blacks voting for Barak are just caught up in the idea of making history. They know he’s worthless but are unwilling to accept any bad press on him. There will be no riots. Go PUMAS!

wodiej

There are just alot of naive people in the world w no common sense. I don’t try to reason w people like that, I just spend very little time w them.
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Not Your sweetie

My news is the perfect medicine for what ails you
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/mine-you-cant-have-it-obama-screws-the-party/
Perry Logan

I’m a proud lefty. I’ve been called a commie by uncomprehending right-wingers all my life.

When I talk about Obama with fellow leftists (assuming they’re still talking to me), I simply point out that Obama has not a liberal bone in his body. The man is not a Democrat. This message sometimes gets through.
http://none Peg

On the bright side, my sister-in-law surprised me early on with her dislike of Obama and support for Hillary. I have been forwarding blog posts to her for months now; and when we talk on the phone, she initiates talk about the election. She (and her husband and mine) and I agree on everything!

A good friend of mine is so depressed and upset because her family (large Italian Catholic, hard core Democrats) is so in the tank for Obama.

What a mess.
janicen

Sexism has a lot to do with some of the almost violent reaction from some of my friends and relatives. I have always had strong opinions about politics and been able to have intelligent discussions with people who have disagreed with me, but this year is different. I sense that the difference has a great deal to do with the fact that women have factored prominently in this election. My male friends and relatives cannot control themselves when it comes to putting down either Hillary or Sarah Palin.

Perry Logan

Yes—it has been a terrible revelation to see how many of my fellow progressives are misogynists.

Tristan

My whole family is a bunch of commies that have grafted on to Obama. They dragged me to a couple of demonstrations when I was young, like the nuclear freeze and a protest against the first gulf war. I’m ashamed to have gone to either one now, after all, several years later I met a Kuwaiti who suffered under Saddam’s occupation. My uncle argues that the US has institutionalized racism, and my grandfather thinks that every war after WWII is wrong and that we shouldn’t protect, Europe, Israel, Taiwan, S. Korea, etc.

Anyway, I have to have dinner with those clowns while they trash McCain and Palin and its not fun. Especially when its in my house and they’re eating my food. But I keep my mouth shut or just say I’m not interested in discussing it – I’ve decided I’ll be the mature one even though I’m 20-40 years younger. The elections only seven weeks away, I can deal.

Perry Logan

You call your family a bunch of commies. How sweet!

SBwa

It is a phenomenon….I’ve been experiencing this too. My erstwhile friends are now intolerant of any “friend” who is not an Obama supporter and the relationships have sort of grown sour.

I’m in Chicago, deep in enemy territory. At work and in public, I have to be careful about what I say (because if my employers were to find out, I’d be in big trouble seeing that they are some of Obama’s buggest bundlers).

I can’t wait for the day I can speak my mind in public again without fear of repercussions.

Perry Logan

It sounds like alienating experiences are universal amongst PUMAs—further proof the Democratic Party has kicked the bucket.

Christy

I haven’t lost any really good friends. But I have had more problems with friends this election than any other! I stopped being friends with one couple when the husband spewed hatred for Hill when she “dared” to stay in the race against BO.

But I mean, I have really good Republican friends! And thus far, I have always been a Dem. It’s never been a big problem.

IMHO, friends should agree to disagree and not venomously push about politics, or else risk the friendship.

On a happy note, have you guys seen the new New York polls? BO is only leading in New York by 5% points!!!
blog force one

The sad thing about al of this is it cannot end with understanding and love for one another as americans as long as these thugs who took over the Dem party are in control of the party we used to be so faithful to! the awful truth is that they will DEMAND RIOTS a la Rodney King verdict after their thug in xheif loses in November. It will be really ugly and will set back race relations 50 years we must be prepared for it by first securing our safety for ouselves our frends and our communities. this will blndside many who don’t see it coming. and we must get the word out to try and prevent it from happening .The rev W rights ofthis world will stoke the flames and then try to blame us! be vigilant and do your best to project peaceful thoughts but do not be naive and underestimate these anarchist america hater types in our midst. Peace love and light!

wodiej

In some cities this will undoubtedly happen, I don’t know how widespread it will be but I am watching my back.
Zelda Crunch

that they will DEMAND RIOTS a la Rodney King verdict after their thug in xheif loses in November

Then they are not worthy citizens and we must seriously consider whether we need them any longer.
Zelda Crunch

Matt Gonzales on why not voting or voting ‘libertarian’ or Kermit or Mother Goose is a Bad Thing™.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/11/EDBNVHRTB.DTL

Steven Mather

Gonzales is Nader’s running mate. He is not a libertarian, but he does support the constitution.
hank48188

Everyone should read this, I have E-mailed it to people too. Obama always wants to talk about issues and Matt Gonzales takes Obama apart issue by issue in this piece.

Christy

oops, sorry, here’s a link

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20080916/NEWS01/809160317/1002/RSS01
Zelda Crunch

Doc Weasel:

http://docweasel.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/its-over-its-o-o-o-o-ver-its-obamover/

Obama now either trails or is tied in WI, MN, PA, NH, NM, all Kerry states. He has basically written off OH, FL GA, NC and is badly behind in VA and CO, all once prime possible pick-ups.
ford

The analogy to Christ is a narrative largely lost on the MSM…

Sad too, because it does not take much to remember that Christ picked his disciples, while BO’s picked him. Christ did not serve to inflate himself, and was bereft of hubris, which BO has in spades…
Will Smith

You guy’s must see this best stuff this morning.
“How Come I Would Make the Economy Better” by Barry Obama
http://www.suitablyflip.com/suitably_flip/2008/09/how-come-i-woul.html

Steven Mather

Fantastic link! roflmao Thank you.

Christy

Ek, my step-father has been venomous against Hill and kisses BO butt. It makes me angry, but I just keep quiet. It’s not worth a big family fight, or to put my mom in an awful spot.

But I do have to wonder about the venom towards Hill. I really do suspect sexism sometimes. It’s so difficult to believe that some men I have known for so long really seem to have a problem with the idea of a woman president.

NY’s new poll link again: Only 5 points in BO’s favor!

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20080916/NEWS01/809160317/1002/RSS01
DancingOpossum

Jeebus. That article and the Post one it links to are terrifying for Democrats.

NEW. YORK. Democrats are in danger of losing NEW.F’ING.YORK.

Gee, ya think a Hillary nomination mighta left this one in the bag?

NEW YORK. It’s over.

csuzeq

The MN loss would be huge! We have never been a red state for as long as I can remember!

Christy

Oh, I should mention that I have more PUMA friends than BOers. Yay! Maybe CA will go to McCain also, but it’s pretty sorry here right now.
doc99

Bob Owens compares Barry to Milli Vanilli. And you know, it’s true.

StrawberrybitesBarky

Ouch. I mean I loathe, Barky as much as anyone but isn’t that a little below the belt?

wodiej

from reading comments this morning on this I think people just need to realize sometimes you don’t know people as well as you thought. If they will throw you under the bus over a shitty candidate it’s better you find out now for when you really need them they may not be there. This is poor judgment on their part. Sometimes it is a lack of character sometimes immaturity or both. Don’t drag yourself down. The world is full of people to be friends with…make some new ones.
WMCB

Holy shit. I think McCain just declared war on Wall Street, and this is going to get UUUUUGLY.

He just said on GMA that the current problems in the banking and financial markets are directly linked to corruption in Washington. He wants to appoint a 9/11 style commission on what exactly has happened. and why.

The money boys and the congresscritters in bed with them, Dem or Repub, are NOT going to like that.
Steve1

I just start listing all of the MSM cover-ups, they usually come around..They go , like wow, “I didn’t know this?” Give it time the MSM is so screwing themselves. Has anyone been watching them…their crying that they are are being attacked unfairly for doing their jobs? SAY WHAT, yes, attacked unfairly for asking the questions! The problem is that they are all doing it to Sarah Palin, just like they did it to Hiillary….Do they think we are so stupid, that they not only ignore all of the evidence of questionable behavior on the part of SOetoro-Obama, they actually cheer lead like little highschool girls for the phoney. ASSHOLES! Boycott GE, Time-Warner. Rev Mannin calls CNN, The Cable Negro Network! They are so turning off Americans.
Lucinda

Actually, this has opened up a new area of conversation at my house. My husband is a conservative Republican, and I’m a moderate Independent. Since I supported both Clinton and Gore (not Kerry, though, because I didn’t/don’t like him), discussion of politics have always been banned at our house. Well, now my husband is so happy that I’ve finally seen the light and we can talk to each other about the campaign.
I’ve never talked openly about politics with anyone before this campaign. I live in a red county in a red state, so most of the people that I know are conservative, and I’ve always believed that life is too short to sacrifice friendship in order to win a political argument. Contrary to what some of the left-wing liberals believe, these are good people with good, generous hearts. Maybe they’re a little too zealous in some of the things that they believe, but can’t the same be said for the other side, too? Our country has survived, because we’ve always been able to meet in the middle. If it were left to the extremists on either side, I’d hate to see what would become of us.

wodiej

well said, and I agree. Someone on a post several days ago said just because Bush has been an poor leader does not mean all Republicans are bad. I believe McCain and Palin will do a fine job. The stock market just plunged again yesterday…over 500 points. The worst since 9/11/01. Hmmm, that’s kind of eerie. We need someone like McCain and Palin who have proven records of reform and cutting waste to put the skids on these corporate giants that have gotten way out of hand. They are dragging all of us through the mud. Obama and Biden dont’ have a clue.

JohnnyB

Pat, another great cartoon and editorial.

Brazille is to blame. Her “I’m undecided” and being on CNN giving her unbiased opinion of the Hillary Barack race, then telling us “The New Democratic Party” doesn’t need the old guard, well Donna you sure need us now. There’s not a bridge strong enough to carry Barack over to us old guard Dems.
You have destroyed the party Donna (and your Dean team). Now how do you think that Barack can carry more states than Kerry did? We had 100% UNITY, and lost.

Can’t go head-to-head in Town Hall meetings with McCain? Barack looks like a CHICKEN. FISA, that’s enough to tell you that “Change” is “Just Words”..
Liz B

I have had some heated exchanges with mu friend, (who is sadly, also my hairdresser!), and I also have had some sad conversations with my Dad. We have always been Democrats, and I am the one who has decided to leave the party, so I am a traitor. i have tried to explain my reasons, but my Dad is a Party Loyalist.

wodiej

Liz, you are not a traitor! When I wouldn’t vote for Bush my mother called me some rather nasty names that I don’t care to repeat. I was very upset to be sure but I never back down if I think I am right no matter who it is. I can lay my head on the pillow each night knowing that I lived my life w honor and integrity. This is not about party loyalty, this is about country loyalty! You stick to your guns.

J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

I have come to understand the “Bradley Effect”, the fact that some people don’t tell polsters they are not supporting an African American candidate, in a different light. When I, a vocal Democrat, tell Obama supporters I am for McCain, the unspoken question hangs in the air like the smoke from a cheap cigar. ARE YOU A CLOSET RACIST?

SlowBurn

I think there are a lot of closet obama-haers who are afraid to tell people they DON’T SUPPORT OBAMA. . .has nothing to do with race (a lot of blacks are goint to go for mccain/palin)

MrDuffin

I am happy to say I know no one who is voting for Obama. I am in NC and the people I know think he is a crook and a traitor. They also do not want to see his friends in the White House since they are crooks and traitors too….along with terrorist. OB is the total sleaze package!

wodiej

thank you for the good news from NC…

pammc

I am a PUMA from SC I know 1 person for sure who will vote for obama 1 undecided 1 who will sit it out, marjority McCain
anon

My sister is a republican but she really came to respect Hillary (especially the way she handled the whole awful Lewinski episode). By the time the dem. primaries were over she was incensed at the DNC and the media for their utterly disrespectful treatment of her. Its not that she would’ve voted for our Hill but she wasn’t upset by the idea of her winning the Presidency and actually said a couple times “You go girl!” We’re having a lot of fun watching Fox together (I know!! Fox!!).

My mom and brother have been lost to the Obomination. They are just so angry at Bush that they cannot distinguish McCain, they just want to punish. I didn’t support the Iraq invasion either but come on… we’re there now and we’ve an obligation and serious national interest in finishing that up properly. Unfortunately, its deaf ears. They refuse to see Obama’s corruption or his self-serving ambition.

Its amazing to me that my mom and bro actually try to pull off a weird ‘superior intellect’ attitude with my sis and I. I won’t go into to details but suffice to say we are too kind and loving to laugh at them when they start that nonsense.

wodiej

well glad you have at least one advocate! I think your approach w mom and bro are probably the best you can do. at least you can have a good laugh about them!

hootnannie

The Bradley Effect has to be a phenomenon among blacks as well as whites. How many black people might be telling fellow customers at the beauty parlor or pollsters on the phone that they support Obama when they actually despise him? The latter would be especially true if the pollee thought the caller was also black. I read that pollsters sometimes avoid using young folk to poll other youth because of the strong possibility that the latter will say whatever is hip just to fit in. It’s obvious now that Bobo is desperate just to hang onto his base. He’s got the ad claiming McCain doesn’t use a computer, which no doubt angers many older voters–who he needs to win. It wouldn’t surprise me if he next has ads making an ethnic appeal, no matter how subtle, for black people to stick with him. I wonder just how many black women, for instance, have been so horrified by his blocking of the Born Alive Protection Act, that they have vowed to vote for McCain/Palin.

Ms J of FL

Obama IS targeting immigrant blacks.
but this is the common reaction from Hatian-Americans…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_V1dJiH17s

anon

I know! And in truth, after we leave we roll our eyes and laugh about it together quite a bit. We were always close but now were having a blast together! I’m bummed for my mom and bro but they are stuck in a very cynical and negative mindset.
Davey

This is something I can really relate to. I’m British, and live over here in England, but have quite a few American friends. So for that reason, and that I want to live and work in America when I get the chance, I’ve been following the US election very closely – more closely than anyone else I know over here.

I was a strong Hillary supporter. I knew she was the only one of the 3 major candidates (Obama, Clinton, McCain) who would really stand for everything I believed in, and actually get results. And I 100% believe, despite what other people say, she’s not “just in it for herself”.

Anyway… I once had a discussion with a very good (black) friend of mine in California who, when I informed him I liked Hillary said, “You only like Hillary because you’re white and gay.” But I let that go – I wish I hadn’t.

Then once Hillary had dropped out, I spoke to him again and told him how disappointed I was that she’d practically been forced out of the race, and that I really didn’t like Obama one bit. After a heated discussion about how I was trying to “keep a black man down”, and me insisting (quite rightly) that it had NOTHING to do with a person’s race, he called me a “racist ass”.

Of course, he never stopped to think how I could be friends with so many non-whites if I was a racist ass, including himself. He also never stopped to think how much that comment hurt me, and although I think he regretted it soon after, I made a choice and we have not spoken since.

I think I read on here someone saying something similar to: If you’re labelled as a racist, rightly or wrongly, you might as well be guilty.
I never realised just how true that is until then.

wodiej

screaming racist is an easy way to not be accountable.
College Educated for Hillary

When I was growing up there were the “good girls” and the “good time girls”. If you lost your reputation, rightly or wrongly, an expression that was used at the time was “if you have the name you might as well play the game.” In otherwords, even if you did nothing wrong but everyone thought you did you had nothing to lose by becoming “a good time girl.” The same thing can be said today if someone calls you a “racist” for not voting for Obama. “If you have the name you might as well play the game.”

anon

You guys are right about the racism thing. When some strange troll poster says it its rotten but easily shrugged off (now that we’ve become inured to it!). Its another story when its someone you know and care about. Its made me wonder if they always harbored some defensive suspicion and now Obama is used as some kind of ‘aha!’ evidence of latent racism. It saddens me but I also admit, it starts to burn me after awhile too.
ritamary

Stop watching television! You will feel much better. I haven’t had television in my home for over three years now.

I happened to be watching CNN in Gelson’s on Hyperion in LA last week while I was waiting for my daughter to pick me up. Wolf Blitzer was asking if it’s possible Obama has missed an opportunity by not trying harder to attract women. Ya think? And I was paying over $50 a month for cable to watch this nonsense.
MP98

It just shows that you’ve been hanging out with really shallow people.
Face it:
Anyone who thinks that that Obambi will bring “change and hope” is pretty shallow – and stupid.
over & OUT!

i live in CT — which somehow went for BO — and i still drive around with my Hillary sticker on my Volvo…I can tell people wonder about me: huh. and we thought she was liberal?! i’ve slowly given up caring what anyone thinks — but i do have slight moments of panic when i drive through inner city hartford. but given the apathy i’ve seen on most AA’s around here, and the viciousness of the “typical” Obot, maybe i’m in more danger around yale!
fif

Pat, I think we’re all experiencing this in various ways. I’m an “unaffiliated voter” (in NY, it’s different from the Independence Party registration), and I’ve always voted Dem. It’s fascinating this time around to watch the tribal mentality. What’s sad bout it is that Obama supporters do not want information. I bet your friends don’t know anything about the caucus fraud, the blocking of votes in FL & MI and the buying of superdelegates. Of course, that was all followed by the secrecy and bullying at the Convention. Top that off with the relentless hypocrisy of his “new politics” while he uses Chicago tactics, his arrogance and condescension, his weak character and continuous lies, his lack of experience, and multiple shady associations, and it’s overwhelmingly obvious that he is unfit for office. I bet your friends don’t want to hear any of it. McCain/Palin = bad. Obama = Jesus/savior. It’s an escapist fantasy, and he knows just how to feed it with slogans, speeches and few specifics.

I have been fighting for Hillary for months, and now I feel like I am behind enemy lines with my McCain support. As Nov. 4th approaches, I am selective about who I talk to about it–it’s not worth arguing with people who are not receptive to facts. I have a couple of friends who I have rarely discussed politics with before because they are conservatives. Now I call them! I own my vote, and I will use it in protest.
doc99

Mark Steyn:

They used to joke that Bob Hope was so dependent on his cue cards he’d have the guy standing behind his wife at breakfast so he could read over her shoulder: “Hello. Darling. How. Are. You. This. Morning?” But the audacity of Hope is as nothing to Obama and his prompter:

It appears Barack Obama’s teleprompter is hitting the campaign trail.

The Democratic presidential nominee has never tried to hide the fact he delivers speeches off the device, though normally he doesn’t use one at standard campaign rallies and town hall events.

But the Illinois senator used a teleprompter at both his Colorado events Monday — making for a particularly peculiar scene in Pueblo, where the prompter was set up in the middle of what is normally a rodeo ring.

Wasn’t “Took My Prompter To The Rodeo” an old Bob Wills number? “Message: I’m on message,” as the first President Bush would say. With a bit of luck, they’ll let him have it for the debates …and the summit with Ahmadinejad.

StrawberrybitesBarky

Oh God, I’d sell an ovum to see that picture. Armani suit, skinny assed politician and a teleprompter in the middle of a rodeo ring. Who the hell set this up for him and why did they think it would be a good idea? Did he have plastic bags tied around his Italian leather shoes as well?

Sassy

Pat,
I’m sorry that you, and others, have felt the stings.
My experience is different, for all my closest friends have been Republican, as well as all my in-laws. I have always been the outsider in that regard.
However, these people were not the rabid, neo-cons who emerged in recent years.
Additionally, Many Democrats will not be BOTISTS!
McCain/Palin!
Polly

I have also lost two friends this year due to my lack of support for Obama. My husband’s family has a house on Cape Cod and he grew up with same family
next door his whole life. I have been with my husband for twenty-five years so I also know the neighbors well. They wrote me an e-mail about ordering maple syrup from us and then commented on the election. I wrote back and said I would send the syrup and then made the fatal error of saying that I did not think I could vote for Obama. The next e-mail simply said “Cancel my order, I’ve changed my mind.” That was in July and I haven’t heard from them since. The friendship I can live ithout but kind of hate to lose a good customer!
RepublicanChick

My entire family on both sides all vote Republican except for a few that don’t want Christmas gifts.

My grandmother instituted a “no politics” discussion for family events. Anyone violating the rule would get a phone call from grandma the next day to “discuss” her concerns.

I have some friends that are Democrats and again, we do not discuss politics because I give great Christmas gifts.

In all seriousness, life is too short to maintain friendships and relationships with people that aren’t willing to allow you to be yourself. If that includes politics, so be it. We all have better things to do in life.

http://medusa2.wordpress.com Medusa

I love this piece Pat! Sooooo many of us have experienced this and only true friends can weather these ideological divides. Bozo has a cult following and some us won’t sign up, no matter what.

What have the dems done?

Susan B.

Yes, this is my story too. I live in Chicago where I am surrounded by Obama zealouts. I volunteered for Hillary’s campaign and then because I witnessed the deceipt, corruption, lies and stealing of the primary for Obama I realized I could not support the DNC candidate of choice. Also, his lack of qualifications and thin resume have been apparent as he has done nothing as our senator except collect his paycheck and run for president. In other election years I always told everyone YOU HAD TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC and convinced all friends to do so even though they were not crazy about our candidates, John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000. Now the tables are turned. I am telling everyone I know how deceptive and insincere and scary Obama is and that I cannot support him no matter what. I have been given HELL from family, friends and co-workers. One person I work with was so upset that I thought he was going to reach across the table and kill me. I had lunch with an old friend and we ended up discussing politics. I told him things I knew about Obama and he tossed it off. Then when I got back to the office I received a very angry email from him and he was really mad. My own brother cannot understand why I do not like Obama and thinks he is so intelligent having been president of the Law Review. I say so what? Why does that qualify him to be president? The worst part of Obama in my opinion is the people he has associated with through the years, the Rev. Wrights, the Bill Ayers, the Tony Rezkos, Rashid Kahlidi, Louis Farrakhan, and other people whose ideas I do not agree with and who are not moderates in their hate for America. I have said recently, I wonder if I will have any friends after this election is over. But I will continue to speak TRUTH as I see it. I am not trying to convince anyone this year who to vote for. I myself will probably stay home on Nov. 4. I will let the American people decide. P.S. Thanks for bringing this subject up and letting us share what has been going on for those who are saying NO OBAMA, NO WAY.
tzada

My son in law is an Obama supporter, fine by me he owns his vote.

What I object to is this.

1)He tells my granddaughters that I am against Obama because he is black. Big Fat Lie! I voted for him in the primaries

2)Maybe this is petty on my part, but hey I wanna vent.
I pick his children up from the bus every day, watch them all summer and on school breaks. Cook the evening meal for his family. How does he repay this McCain supporter? He locks his PC up where I cannot use it. Whose petty now?

3) One lap top coming up very soon I also own my vote.

McCain/Palin

StrawberrybitesBarky

Time for Grammy to take a vacation and let sonny take care of his own house. ‘Cause Michelle said it best. “If you can’t run your own house, how can you run the White House?” The ingrate.

TeakwoodKite

A house divided cannot stand.

Well done Pat.
Harriet

Not only are most of my friends mad at me for my nonsupport of Obama, I’ve got my sister mad at me and my husband and I can’t even discuss the news any more. It’s getting lonely sticking to my principles, and I don’t even want to know how angry and bitter with me they’ll be November 5.

StrawberrybitesBarky

It sounds as if YOU need to get angry and start pushing back.

Jess Terr

Great question here: http://www.youtube.com/qatch?v=16aBNduAyQ4&e
Millie

Referring to a previous post that talks about Obama building himself a Greek temple, I keep thinking that he built a model to appear similar to the White House view of the back lawn.. the curved “Greek pillars” with the long windows in between. Take a look of that view…what do you think? Everything is planned precisely and I think this was deliberate to make him look presidential…no anonymous Greek temple but a White House setting. Just a thought from a Canadian who does not wnat to see Obama in the White House.
oregon

Wow, reading this board and all the talk about losing friends over this election is depressing. I am in Portland, Oregon and very dedicated to electing a democrat for President. Which is why during our late May primary, I screamed from the rooftops that Obama can not win. After Obama made the oceans recede and healed the earth on June 3rd, I continued on, that Obama can not win. After Berlin, the same.

Most of my friends will vote for Obama. The friends that I am close to understand my feelings and although they argue with me at great legnth at every bar b q and garden party, my friendships will remain intact. However, those friends of mine that I rarely see or who live in Berkeley and Baltimore have stopped emailing me their Obama propoganda. (it might be because i do a reply all ( to their entire list) and state with conviction why I can never vote for Obama.

My friends are begging me just to leave my vote for president blank, which i might just do. I think its kind of cool that so many people i know, for whatever reason, think that my one measly vote is so important.

Hang in their guys and gals, this election is just 6 weeks away. Those of us who supported Hillary were vindicated less than 12 hours after Obama at Invesco when McCain picked palin and proved our point that Obama was not prepared to deal with what the republicans had in store for him. Talk about a short bounce after Denver, his bounce ended by the time we woke up the next morning, now look at the state of Obama’s campaign. Its pathetic. Hillary would have won in a landslide, and if Obama had picked HRC for VP, we still wouldhave won. Now, its pretty obvious that Obama will surely lose. It is what it is.
HC

Yes, I have the exact same problem with friends and family.

When they find that I disagree, its like they see a rattlesnake.

And these are liberals! The “live and let live” crowd! Not so much these days.

It is very disheartening.
brodie

This election has put me in the same position as many of you. As a lifelong liberal, and a fairly radical one,I simply cannot support Nobama as he is the furthest thing from liberal. Many of my friends think I’ve lost my mind. They send me links to anti-Palin groups on Facebook and MySpace, argue with me about videos I post of Nobama actually saying misogynist crap, and generally act like I’ve betrayed all of them. When I tell them that the end does not justify the means they act like they don’t know what that means. When I say that misogynistic trashing of a woman candidate of any political persuasion is wrong, they think I’m no longer a feminist. Wrong- I AM a feminist & don’t feel like we should attack people just because they share different views. I would fight for their right to hold different views from mine, but I wonder if they’d do the same for me… As a lesbian I am very concerned with the outcome of this election and the damage it is doing to many minority groups. I fought for Hillary because she fought for US. I dislike Nobama because he is simply not qualified and is an arrogant prick who thinks he should always get his own way. I am concerned about his friends, his tactics, his flip-flops and his basic lack of core convictions. I am not a racist and have proven that by the way I live my life. I’m sorry it has all come to this & I hold the Dem. Party completely responsible & so I will have to punish their fraud & theft by NOT VOTING FOR NOBAMA. Very simple. Besides- I’ve never liked Kool-Aid and I’m not real good at following assholes off a cliff. Color me- Not A Lemming!
http://lnab.newsvine.com/ Linda OKC

LA TIMES
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg16-2008sep16,0,351891.column
Jonah Goldberg:
E-mail to Obama: dishonest TV ad, wrong audience
Jeannette

Funny thing about staring into that abyss, isn’t it? I don’t think Obama will find his true character, though, since he doesn’t have one to begin with.

The DNC, Obama, etc. have splintered not only those who were party faithful, but created these divisions among personal relationships, i.e., friends and families, which may or may not heal. The very
outcome they wanted to avoid, division, has only deepened during and following the convention. You would think more people would take notice of that and ask themselves, “Do I want someone like this in The
White House? I just spent the last 8 years with a divisive president and administration. Why would I cast a vote for a candidate who can’t bring his own party together and, worse, doesn’t even care?”

My mother shared a rhyme with me about friendship – “Good friends are like diamonds, precious and rare, bad friends are like autumn leaves,found everywhere.”

Pat, I hope your friends are diamonds.

Jeannette
Lucille Arneson

I’m glad you tackled this subject. The divide is enormous; the likes of which I’ve never seen before. One of the things that stands out is that right out the door the BO backers were persuaded to believe that he has this great intelligence, which they must recognize even if they don’t understand him. They believe that anyone, who doesn’t support him is seriously lacking in mental properties. After all, we are told that the proof lies in the fact that college professors, A-students, and all the intelligencia support him. If you don’t, you are really stupid. I’ve resigned myself to being very, very, very stupid.

AF catfish

I don’t find him especially intelligent. He is cerebral, but he’s rarely voiced any insight I found particularly enlightening.

Dr. Kate

New book out on why black americans should have doubts about Obama:

https://www.americanvision.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2021

Sounds very interesting!
JP49

I personally have no respect for anyone voting for Obama. If they wish to bury their head in the sand and refuse to see the media bias, his lies and distortions and look at what is readily available about his background, then so be it. I do not bury my head in the sand. I prefer to be an informed voter. A “D” behind their name is not the same to me now and it will never be again. To think that the party elders and media have tried to force this inexperienced thug down our throats and diss the best candidate we have had in many years, keeps me boiling mad. So they can keep their little head up their ass but it won’t change my mind. No Obama on any ticket ever.
Dr. Kate

NEW JERSEY IN PLAY–OBAMA LOSES 11 POINTS SINCE JULY

New battleground: New Jersey
posted at 10:10 am on September 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Barack Obama has another Atlantic seaboard state slipping away from him. A new Quinnipiac survey shows Obama losing seven points in a month and declining to a virtual tie in New Jersey. With New York down to a five-point lead, the traditional Democratic bastions have now come into play in the election, boding ill for Obama in more traditional battleground states:

The contest between Barack Obama and John McCain in New Jersey is too close to call, with a new Quinnipiac University poll showing the battle for the state’s fifteen electoral votes at 48%-45% among likely voters. Obama led McCain by ten percentage points, 51%-41% in an August Quinnipiac poll.

This is the fourth independent poll within the last week to show New Jersey as an emerging battleground state in the presidential campaign. A Monmouth University/New Jersey poll released this morning shows Obama leading by 8 points, and a Marist College poll released Friday night had identical numbers to Quinnipiac, 48%-45%. A Fairleigh Dickinson University poll from last week had Obama up by six points. …

In New Jersey, Obama has a 56%-34% favorable rating, while McCain is at 56%-35%. GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is at 42%-32%, while Joe Biden, the Democratic VP candidate, is at 48%-25%. Nearly six out of ten New Jersey voters (58%) say McCain’s choice of Palin was a good one, while 59% say Obama made a good pick in Biden.

“In addition to the Palin bounce, Republicans seem to be scoring points with their attacks on the Obama tax plan,” Richards said.

The economy remains the biggest issue in the election in New Jersey, as in most other states. However, Obama’s edge has narrowed to almost a tie on the economy, edging McCain by only five points, 48-43. On foreign policy, McCain has a 2-1 advantage over Obama, 64-27.

Democrats carried the Garden State by seven points in 2004. Seeing a lead within three points at this point in the race means that Obama will have to spend time and money campaigning in a state that should have been a gimme in 2008. Its 15 Electoral College votes outpaces Virginia’s 13, where Obama hoped to win the Presidency by flipping a red state. Rasmussen puts this in a tie today, but does the same with Pennsylvania, where Democrats need to retain its 21 EC votes (polls at Real Clear Politics).

Not only is this race tightening, it’s spreading. Can Obama fight on defense? The next round of polls should be very telling — and the debates are looking more crucial to both candidates. However, as Power Line quips today, this isn’t what Obama had in mind when he talked about a 50-state strategy.

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IndyBoomer

Great to hear I’m not alone with the politics and friendship conflict…I moved from the (liberal) Bay Area of CA to (conservative) Orange County CA 2 years ago, and most of my friends are liberal. Although I’ve been an Independent since the 1980s (and have voted for Repub presidents 3 times), they all just ASSUME I’m voting for Obama and have sent me many anti-McCain and anti-Palin emails. I reply back, reminding them that I’m an Independent voting for McCain, and I tactfully tell them to knock it off. They are of course shocked when I tell them I’ll do whatever it takes to defeat Obama. In one case, I had to call a truce with one of my friends and agreed not to discuss politics. Most of my family is anti-Obama, especially my brother’s family who lives in Michigan. My husband is also an Independent, but we have agreed not to discuss politics because he says he “doesn’t like to be lobbied” and wants to make up his own mind. I don’t know how he will vote, and he may never tell me, but he did vote for Hillary in the CA primary.
DeniseB

I had a similar falling out during the Gulf War with a number of old friends who were far to the left of me (and I have always been a leftie). It was very painful, but it solidified my feelings about the importance of doing one’s own thinking instead of participating in groupthink. We know that humans filter our input to bolster positions we’ve already taken, and we know how rare it is to have serious discussion of political ideas rather than argument or mutual venting.

I don’t know anyone who feels as I do about Obama. My mother & I quickly decided to put the topic off-limits. My friends know I don’t like him but probably don’t realize the depth of it, because I tone myself way down on the subject: I know I can’t change any minds and don’t try. So far I don’t have any relationships threatened by all this. If it happens, it won’t be my doing.
http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

I tell ya what. Telling liberal friends you are voting for McCain is like coming out of the closet. (Not that I would know, but I’m guessing it can be similar.) I get concerned that people aren’t going to want to talk to me anymore, that’s how bad the atmosphere here is on the left coast. I just told someone I like very much that I’m voting for McCain in an email last week; he has not written me since. He is no Obamabot (doesn’t really like Obama much) but has confessed to me that Sarah Palin concerns him. I’m waiting to see what his response is going to be. But it’s sad that I should even be concerned about it at all.
PJ

I wonder which half of the donkey represents the “O” crowd. Hmmmmmm.
csuzeq

This is the most divisive election that I have ever witnessed. It is strong feelings on both sides. I know I personally have never had such strong feelings about any candidates before. The problem with this year is that we had to vet our own candidate and in the past we have taken it at face value. We looked into Obama and see him very negatively. His supporters look at him at face value and take his word as truth. There in we all think each other crazy. I just thank god for Hillary. Had she not stayed in through the bitter end, we may not have peeled back the layers. She risked alot so that he would be seen as who he is and no matter what I will always be grateful. She will get blamed for this, but most of the party knows the truth!

Thank God for Hillary! Please give us a miracle! A democrat we can vote for! I’d vote for just about any other democrat. It wouldn’t have to be Hillary. I’d love that, of course, but I want to vote for a democrat, just not this one!

Why can’t the leaders see that it is not the bottom of the ticket that is the problem, it is the top of the ticket??????
tek

Pat, I hear ya babe. We have three children we can’t discuss politics with, we have friends we can’t discuss politics with and we are now on good terms with the Republicans in our family who shunned us over Dubya but now would like to see Hillary in the game. So sad, we’ve gone through this for the past two elections, and now that it’s supposed to be our party’s year we’re going through it again.
http://RedDragon62.blogspot.com RedDragon62

I attended a weeding recently for one of my nephews. I have a LARGE family and as you would expect, we do not agree with each other on many things.
There are some in my family that LOVE Obama! There are many more that do not!

It seems that the ones that adore this man are all the young members of my family and they are very vocal about this support.

My wife and I occupied a table with my mother and one of my brothers. He asked me who I was voting for. My Mother told me not to respond as she knew the conversation would turn ugly. I am one of those men that adore his mother. We all are. Even though I am 46 years old and have been married for 26 years, I still listen to mama. Anyway….

My brother asked and I told him I could not vote for Obama and the reasons why!
I was not ready for the response I got. He accused me of being a closet racist! I was shocked! My family is a melting pot of humanity and this was the first time that I was EVER called that by one of my siblings.

Oh did I mention his wife is BLACK?

Obama has not only caused many friends to sever ties but his cries of racism have now affected my family. As I suspect it has caused many other families some tension with his divisive campaign.

I am sure my family will survive Obama. We have survived worse than this. But the pain caused by that one remark will stay with me for many years.

What I fear is that our country will not. The wounds opened up by Obama and his cabal are deep. The blood is now flowing and I sense an infection creeping over our society.
madazhel

Thank, Pat for telling (and drawing) it like it is.

I live in a left-leaning county north of SF. All of my close friends think I have gone over to the dark side because I will not support the DNC’s fraudulent selectee.

I had my first public political exchange a couple days ago. A friend of a friend who heard me say I was a PUMA asked to be introduced. He wanted to talk with “one of those”. The conversation quickly fell into his telling me exactly the points we have heard before — Roe v Wade, Palin is scary, you women are going to ruin the country, it will be on my head that more troops are killed and maimed in Iraq etc.

The clincher for me was when he said I must have some racism in me.
Sigh … This man does not know me. He has no idea what my background is. Amazing. Calling/suggesting someone is a r…st is a bad, bad marketing strategy.

I felt no need to defend myself against that accusation. It was too nonsensical.
I did not feel intimidated though that was his intent. I did not feel unsure.

The friend who had introduced me to this man and another friend, both women, were listening to the exchange. I was pretty sure my being able to go toe to toe with him made an impression on them.

Sure enough today one of the women told me she has started to open her eyes. So now more than ever I am committed to sharing what I know with anyone who will listen.

Long story short. The factions that have caused this extreme divide need to be routed out of the Democratic Party.

madazhel
a California PUMA
Ms. Lupe Weaver

It makes me cry to think that for the first time in 42 years I will not be voting for a president. Why am I not voting, because there is no one to vote for.
The only qualified person we had was a WOMAN, that is considerate, intelligent, educated, careful,astute,experienced in politics, in the economy, knows what is going around her, has much charisma,sensitive, and holds her head up high no matter what happens. Look at all the crap she took from bho and his followers. Yet she stood standing up and smiling and chose her words correctly to say thank you to 18,000,000 people that voted for her. Who else would have the guts to do that and still smile. Only a WOMAN, they always come in at the last and clean up the mess everyone else has done.
clairtx

It is not only costing friends, but is tearing our group of former Hillary supporters apart. We decided to try to keep the group together under an innocuous name like Turn (name of county) Blue, only some purists wanted to make sure it was a ‘safe haven’ for Hillary supporters.

Mind you, our stated mission is to support down-ballot candidates and stay away from the national scene, but that was not good enough for some. Any effort at sharing information with the local Democratic Party was frowned upon – our motivations were questioned, and any cooperation with the local party was questioned.

Tensions rose within the group and as a result, our attendance has dropped to nothing from a mailing list of over 1000 names. We simply cannot get Hillary supporters interested in down ballot races. I even had one person tell me that they will not vote for anyone who supports Obama. If someone has experienced similar problems in your area, I would like to know. It has me stumped!
Rich

Wonderful cartoon, that expresses in simple terms how many people feel. If Obama is supposed to be good at working across the aisle and bringing people together to work for the common good, then why is it that he cannot do it with people from his own party? Also, why is it that he can not get his message of people with different points of view working together out to his own people and convince them? When dealing with most of the Obama people I run into, including some friends, I feel like I am dealing with the Democratic version of the Bush doctrine. You are either with us or against us. If you are with us you are good. If not then you are part of the axis of evil.

Rich
Don S

Good depiction of the Demo party split, Pat. I guess I don’t have to ask which end of the donkey represents the Obotomaniacs. I’m sure it must be the non-thinking end! The end that is ruled by emotion and delivers loads of you-know-what.

Rich, I think your comment was quite perceptive and on point. I thought I had some intelligent friends, but most are so bamboozled by Obot-the-Robot that they laugh at anyone who defends McCain/Palin.

Well, if the Obot wins the election, his supporters are in for a really sad wakeup call in the years ahead. At this point, however, I don’t think he has the election in his pocket. Thinking Americans are seeing the weakness in his shifting positions and wondering where he really stands on issues. He’s a bona fide chameleon.
JTomorrow

Sad, but so true.
http://snowhite snowhite

As a staunch Dem,Clinton supporter from MI,worked at the polls and was a Clinton delegate I was stunned at the DNC,the media and all the knives that were stuck in Senator Clintons back,along with Bill and Chelsea.And all to put the know nothing,do nothing from Chicago in office.The dems left me I did not leave them.I think Mccain is a good man and I have seen what he did to Abramoff–a Republican—and I like Govornor Palin.I cannot say th e same for Obama.Democratic friends are different in their feelings towards me.Some fear for my sanity,others agree to disagree and my family is surprised but feel the same way.Yes Obama has been a bigger divider than Bush in too many ways already described.
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