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Bill Clinton: Hillary’s Albatross Or Her Bridge To The Presidency?

I’ve always been amazed at how the Democrats cannibalize their former heroes. Every Democrat who has failed in their bids for office or re-election for major office have been repudiated, ridiculed, and forbidden to run again for the races they lost. John Kerry, Al Gore, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, Jimmy Carter, George McGovern… all were devoured by their own kind, became objects of ridicule after they failed to win election or re-election. The ridicule wasn’t just “oh dang, he lost.” It was more like “What a LOSER!!” They went for the jugular!

The Republicans don’t do that! That kind of repudiation didn’t happen to Bob Dole, GHW Bush, or Gerald Ford. Of course, the Republicans have the advantage of not losing nearly as many presidential elections. I guess that kind of skews things. Dubya still has plenty of supporters among Republicans, and thanks to Obama’s miserable presidency, even some Democrats nowadays think wistfully back to the good old days of The Dub!

President Bill Clinton hasn’t been completely cannibalized, but many Democrats have tried to cut him off at the knees. I find that hard to understand. Bill Clinton was the only Democratic President since FDR to win and serve two full terms of office (the only other Democrats to do so were Woodrow Wilson, and the founder of the Democratic Party, Andrew Jackson). He presided over a period of unprecedented prosperity, turned the national deficit into a surplus, and managed to conduct military operations (as part of NATO) in Bosnia and Kosovo without loss of American lives. Despite his accomplishments, many Democrats, those of his own political party, hate the man! And they extend that hatred to his wife, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Clinton Derangement Syndrome, or CDS, is how some of us refer to this bizarre hatred of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Obama is President because the Democrats would have won in 2008 no matter who they nominated, and the leadership of the Democratic National Committee, in the delirious throes of CDS, decided amongst themselves that they didn’t want Hillary to win because they didn’t want the Clintons back in the White House. That’s why so many people blame Bill Clinton’s controversial impeachment for Hillary’s loss.

She was the best candidate in the field of aspirants, but the Clinton’s themselves often promoted the idea that they were “two (Presidents) for the price of one,.” starting with the campaign of 1992. Many people of both parties really disliked that notion for some reason. Perhaps it’s too much like royalty for their tastes, having a family in charge of the country instead of one leader. Maybe it’s just too much of a good thing.

It seems these Democrats, most of whom defended the Clintons in the 1990s, have bought into the Republican propaganda with the militant zeal of the newly converted. We expect it of Republicans, but it just seems weird coming from the those who are still Democrats. The vast right-wing conspiracy against the Clintons won, I guess.

Republicans started trying to take the Clintons down during Bill’s first election to the White House by calling him a draft dodger and Communist sympathizer. They pounced on accusations from women who claimed Bill had affairs with them, or worse. They tried to bring the Clintons down with endless investigations. They couldn’t find any legal wrongdoing by the Clintons, even after years of a Special (Republican) Prosecutor trying to pin the tail on the donkey.

They finally managed to corner Bill into denying, under oath, that he had “sexual relations” with Miss Blue Dress, sparking the national debate over whether oral sex performed by one individual on another constituted “sexual relations” when no intercourse occurred. Many agreed with Bill’s definition, others didn’t. But no other president has ever been forced to testify under oath about his sexual dalliances. If they had, the list of perjurers could be quite long, but Bill was the only one faced with it in the age of DNA testing. So far.

This fudging of the truth, when confronted on camera with evidence of marital infidelity, resulted in his being impeached (accused) on the charge of perjury by the House, but subsequently acquitted (found “not guilty”) by the Senate. How conveniently people overlook that acquittal.

Bill stood his ground, continued as President, and finished his second term. He even remained very popular, with high approval ratings to the end of his term of office.But because he had been impeached, he became anethema to many in the Democratic Party. His impeachment will be forever remembered by both dumbasses and selective-memory types, as “he was thrown out of office for getting a blowjob at his desk.”

Listening to some of these idiots, you’d think Bill so befouled the Oval Office that Dubya Bush had to have it sand-blasted before he’d set foot in it.

Meanwhile, during his travails and after, Hillary won much sympathy from many people, while others got very angry with her for staying with Bill. My own view is that it’s nobody’s business but the Clintons. But talk about class and character! How many of us, of either gender, could keep our chins up as well as she did when Bill’s sexcapades made headlines? I think there were a few news reports that she was furious, maybe even one report (true or not) that she threw something at him. Rumors abounded that the reason Bill strayed was because she was a lesbian, and other rumors that their sexual relationship was definitely over when the Monica story broke. I doubt any of those rumors and reports held much truth. She may have made him sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom for awhile, but I believe their marriage is based on love and devotion, and that they weathered the storm as well as any couple could, or better.

But these opinions carried over into Hillary’s political career, with some saying she had no chance of success because of Bill, or because she stayed with Bill, or just because they’ve always hated her for being too outspoken. So Bill was the albatross around Hillary’s neck as much as he was, as others have put it, her escalator to the Senate.

What I was hearing during the early part of the primaries, in 2007 and early 2008, was that Hillary didn’t stand a chance because of Bill. They just couldn’t imagine Bill keeping his nose clean, let alone keeping it out of her decision-making. Ironically, these are some of the same folks who used to joke about President Hillary being the one who was really in charge in the 1990s.

What my liberal friends kept saying was that they REALLY didn’t want to have Bill Clinton back in the White House. They offered a variety of reasons. Some have always hated Hillary for their own twisted reasons, or they are desperately ashamed of Bill because of his impeachment and all that it entails. Or perhaps they’re just jealous of him because they’ve never had a BJ themselves.

I see the Clintons as a Power Couple, a pair of equals who communicate well and share their opinions with each other openly. I suspect Hillary voiced her opinions to him when he was the POTUS, and I would imagine he is her closest counsel as well. Personally, I like the idea of getting a two-fer.

There’s no doubt Hillary has always been a power in her own right, a force to be reckoned with. Having been a successful high-profile attorney, after a brilliant university performance, she married an aspiring politician who became governor of Arkansas a few years after they married. She was First Lady of Arkansas for ten years, which put her into politics.

To detractors who say she wouldn’t be the powerhouse she is on the national political stage without riding Bill’s coattails, I would say that’s also true of all the (mostly male) politicians who got where they are by hitching their wagons to other (mostly male) politicians already in power. Or perhaps they were born into it. And they say America hates dynasties.

Bill may have made Hillary a star, but she helped make him what he was/is, and she shared with him the experience of being Arkansas’ First Couple for a decade. Did she rise to fame in politics because of him? Certainly. But the same is true of him. It’s definitely true that successful couples nurture each other, bring out the best in each other, and grow together. True, he held the offices, but it’s not like she was confined to the kitchen in an apron and pearls. She’s no Donna Reed. And definitely no Tammy Wynette!

So the questions remain, the speculation continues, and the opinions are all over the road. Did Bill’s notoriety keep Hillary from winning the nomination? Or will he eventually help propel her into the Oval Office? I hope for the latter. But she may have to have it sandblasted first.

  • Andy

    Very nice post Steve in KC; thanks! I agree with you and also wish for the latter.

  • Yttik

    Great post!

    I loved Bill Clinton’s presidency. He wasn’t perfect, but he was one of this country’s best presidents. I also adore Hillary Clinton and I think this country owes her a debt of gratitude for so many things, her life long dedication and committment to women’s rights as human rights, the way she paved the way for women in high office and pioneered the road to the presidency, and the way she let it all go to serve as SOS, to serve her country. I really believe she is the only grown up in this administration and about all that stands between us and a complete foreign policy disasater. She is giving everything she has to her country right now.

    I’d love to see Hillary in the white house, but it’s just not likely to happen. She won’t challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012 and fragment her party. 2016? I don’t know, I think it’s unlikely, too. The country had it’s chance and we deprived ourselves of the opportunity to have one of the greatest Dem presidents ever. There will be no do-overs.

    So… now I march with the pink elephants. Donkey’s have taken a dump on women one too many times.

  • oowawa

    Well, Steve, I guess you know that you’ve flung yourself into the midst of a touchy subject here at NQ–the proverbial “can of worms.”

    “I’ve always been amazed at how the Democrats cannibalize their former heroes.”

    Oh yes.  If Dems aren’t at each other’s throats, something is wrong.  And that’s been the most appalling thing about the ascension of Thee One and the near universal Democratic adulation at His Temple of Genius and Universal Brotherhood.  Phooey!  Bring back the Democratic gang wars!

    As for Hillary: she has to start distancing herself from the O regime right now.  It’s probably already too late for many commenters on this blog.  Most of us aren’t ready to sing “Kumbaya” anytime soon. 

    As for me, I think I’ll march with the pink elephants too.  I think I’ll blend right in.  As long as nobody steps on me . . .

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    As for Hillary: she has to start distancing herself from the O regime right now.  It’s probably already too late for many commenters on this blog.
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    I concur, oowawa. She needs to resign after the mid-term elections and blow the whistle on the magic negro in the WH. Then I might listen to something she has to say.

  • Fred

    Yeah but our actions in the Balkans did nothing for our National security. In fact, I’d say our actions in the Balkans will prove to be detrimental to our national security in the long run. The fact that we are now concerned about Bosnian jihadists is a prime example of the utter futility of the Balkans intervention in my book.

    Furthermore, Clinton failed to kill bin Laden and/or do anything about Afghanistan. The sanctions on Iraq didn’t accomplish anything, we didn’t achieve any sort of lasting breakthrough with Iran, and we didn’t get any further away from the Saudis.

    There were also issues regarding treatment of military personnel at the White House under Clinton.

    In defense of Bill Clinton however, I can say that his domestic policy wasn’t too bad.

    That said, I would just as soon never see the Clintons in the White House again.

  • John/johnwsmart.com

    Bill helps. Period. 

  • kafir

    Sounds like Hillary is in a dilemma. Either Bill or the Presidency.

    If she indulges in family life, keeps Bill, but if she is power crazy, boots Bill out.

    Heck! She’s been the White house for 8 years, I think she should keep Bill and start enjoying their hedonistic life and longing for playing with their grandchildren soon?

    The dirty politics  in the Democratic party  just  couldn’t accommodate a loser!

  • betty

    Stopped reading this stupid post.  Actually I skipped to the last paragraph and found this question: “Did Bill’s notoriety keep Hillary from winning the nomination?”

    Where have you been??   The Obama campaign and the leaders of the democratic party cheated frantically;  Obama called everyone who asked a question of him a racist, people in the MSM and on blogs whom we trusted betrayed us and still Hillary won the primary.  Are you gearing up to try and smear Hillary again?  I got one thing to say to you STFU

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    You might want to speak to those who actually served in Bosnia, Fred. I have–my stepson. He felt it was the best service to country he did and he’s served two other tours in Iraq and goes to Afghanistan next month with the 101st.

  • jbjd

    yttik, here’s what I fail to understand.  No documentation available in the public record established BO was Constitutionally qualified for POTUS; the only ‘proof’ proffered by the WH was direct reference to a layout on the paid political advertising platform named, “Fight the Smears.”  (Remember, this electronic image was only visible with the aid of a computer screen; the mockup of the ad was never released to the public.)  Yet D’s swore to election officials he was Constitutionally qualified for POTUS, in those states with laws that require such eligibility to appear on the ballot.  We asked these D’s on what documentary basis they ascertained such eligibility; they said, ‘We don’t have to tell you.’  (Nancy Pelosi just ignored us.)  We filed citizen complaints of election fraud with A’sG in those applicable states.  So far, none has pursued these complaints.  But still, citizens are just waiting until BO files to get onto the primary ballot in those states; and they will file ballot challenges at that time.  Any documentation produced that could establish he is a NBC will have to have existed in August 2008, when NP et al. signed those Certifications of Nomination swearing to state officials he was Constitutionally qualified for office to get them to print his name on the ballot.  I cannot imagine any of his people believe, he can pull this off, again. 

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    Thank you Betty for an on-point commentary. That One shoved a knife in her back and she should return the favor.

  • oowawa

    Yes.  The Serbs were being very bad.  They were committing war crimes and putting people in concentration camps.  There were long lines of refugees: old people, women, children.  We were watching it all on television.  America could not stand by and ignore it.  We won the war with very very few American casualties.  Let’s take our victory and wave the flag for the good job done by our armed forces and General Wesley Clark.  I was proud of America for winning that war and stopping Slobodan Milosevic.

  • Steve_in_KC

    Smear Hillary again???  You can easily link to all the posts I’ve written here at NQ, and I defy you to find any statement in anything I’ve ever written that smears Hillary or Bill Clinton. 

    Here’s the link: http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/author/steve_in_kc/

    For the purposes of context, a writer must sometimes make reference to what others have said or written, but any honest appraisal of my writings will conclude I am strongly pro-Clinton.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    Whether he was constitutionally elegible or not is not the argument. HRC had the “real” votes and That One did not. Had HRC taken it to the floor (and even lost) at the convention, it would have been apparent to all that the Democrats foisted a carpetbagger on the electorate. Had HRC won, we wouldn’t even be discussing these issues. First and foremost is the fact that Chicago thugs stole the nomination and because of that simple truth, I left the democrat party after 32 years. I won’t be going back–ever. And no one has given me any Constitutional argument for enforcement concerning qualifications. Perhaps Arnold can run against him in 2012 as the precedent has been set.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    Spot on, oowawa. The Bosnian war was not only the right thing to do but it gave the US credibility in the region without bowing to Arabs. That One is so in this over his big-eared head.

  • Steve_in_KC

    I’ve always considered you a friend on this blog, oowawa, and I appreciate that we can have friendly differences of opinion.  I enjoy intelligent discussion of issues without resorting to the hostility some seem to enjoy in the anonymous world of blogging.

    My personal wish is that the Clinton faction of the Democratic Party will be able wrest control away from the Obama faction in my lifetime, even if those particular people are no longer involved personally.  I want the Democratic Party to become more Centrist and pragmatic, but most of all, more intelligent and mature!!

  • Tricia

    Great post.  I enjoyed reading it–I wish Hillary would try again but what you say is so true about Democrats eating their own.

  • democrat1

    True. But Dubya could not catch Bin Laden even after 9/11 fighting for 8 years  and neither the One fighting for two years in Afghanistan.

    But these are great people, but poor Bill is the one to blame.

  • Diane

    I believe that Hillary didn’t win the nomination because the “liberal” media and Ted Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, Bill Richardson, Barack Obama, and the rest of the hypocrites in the Democratic party, decided (in the year of the 40th anniversary of the murders of MLK and RFK ) to use racism and sexism to keep their little boys club intact.

    I believe the little boys club hates Bill Clinton because they know he actually does have the compassion and empathy they all pretend to have.

  • Diana L. C.

    Steve in KC,

    Great post.  I wonder how many people who hate Bill really have this reason for hating him: “Or perhaps they’re just jealous of him because they’ve never had a BJ themselves.”  ;)   :-[

    Back when Bill ran for his first term, I used to say to myself that I really, really, really wish Hillary could be running instead.  I’ve always liked Hillary.  I understood back then, however, that the country had not matured enough to allow for a (gasp!) female POTUS.  And that despite the fact that we had already had many femail politicians who did outstanding jobs. 

    And you’re absolutely right, their marriage is their own business.  Think of how much better their marriage seems than the Edwardses’ marriage, for example.

    During the primary, Bill couldn’t help himself and did try to stick up for Hillary.  I loved his “fairy tale” statement because it was so true–not racist as he was accused of being.

    But, though I don’t like that Betty didn’t finish reading and doesn’t seem to understand the real point of your post and why you’re asking the question, I agree with her assessment about the real reason Hillary is not in the WH.  I understand betty’s anger.  The lying bastards stole my opportunity to watch a female run the WH.  JERKS ALL OF THEM>

  • oowawa

    Yes–let us never forget the phrase that war popularized: “ethnic cleansing.”

  • susiepuma-crazy cracker

    I will always admire Hillary and I still cry when I hear her speech after the fraud was selected – but, I am tired of the Democrats – the lies, the corruption, etc. & also no more Shrubs – this country needs new blood & not someone who is part of the perpetual rerunning of the same ole, same ole dull as dishwater Republican males and the frauds like the current one on the Dem side -

    Like oowawa(pink bunny) I’m going with the pink elephants next election – I want to see a woman president before I’m dead – I really thought Hillary was gonna be that woman – now, not so much – too much baggage to overcome

    If Sarah Palin runs, I will vote for her & now that the crappy liberal assholes from JournOlist have been outed – perhaps the real story of this woman can be told – November is getting closer and closer & will be the decider for 2012………………………..

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    The Democrat Party is dead, Steve. I’ve been at this too long to think otherwise. They have gone the route of do as I say, not as I do and have become even dirtier than the party they oppose. I don’t want any part of an organization that values “winning” over what is best for the country. This isn’t just about That One or Pelosi or Reid. This is about being completely WRONG. I was a blue-dog Democrat for 32 years but 2007-08 convinced me to become an independent. I will not hold party values over those of the country. No thanks. I’ll vote for the best candidate and work against ANY that hold to the alleged “values” held by the now obamacrats.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    Hello, Nice Try, jackie, Mortuus Lark, dim bulb, or whatever bot name you’re using today.

    What is your point and what do you do for a living?

  • tango

    Yes, part of me thinks Hillary didn’t win the nomination because the Democratic party didn’t want BILL in the WH again. Yes, Hillary would be President but you know that her husband would be a very close advisor and give invaluable help to her and they didn’t want to reward Bill that way.  The DC bunch likes their elites – from the right background, attend the Ivy League Schools, all that.  Bill is brilliant but even so, too rough for them. 

    So I see it as their way to make history by nominating the first black candidate and cheating so he could win. They could’ve done the same thing by nominating the first woman also, but I think the Democratic powers wanted something new and shiny and also knew, unlike Hillary and Bill, they could push Barack and Michelle around.

  • Guest

    How can he be either a bridge or an albatross ? I don’t even understand the question. Hillary Clinton’s favorability ratings are at 60+ percent, approximately equal to her husband.

    A combination of her helping him (lol!), the scandal stuff — the rough edges of that getting worn off after time, and by a not so happy conicidence Obama helping all former presidents. The approval rating of Bush has been boosted even more than Clinton.

     

     

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    I concur, Diane. They have a captive audience with race and not at all with sex, so they chose the other road to “win”, as it were.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    The approval rating of Bush has been boosted even more than Clinton. 
    =============
    True–but not through anything he ever did. He got lucky having an even worse POTUS following him.

  • CarlaforHillary

    Hi Betty, I agree with your part about Obama cheating, but not Steve_in_KC smearing Hillary.

  • CarlaforHillary

    Tango, your post equals my thoughts as well.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

      I understand betty’s anger.  The lying bastards stole my opportunity to watch a female run the WH.  JERKS ALL OF THEM>
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    There is no other point to be made and Betty is correct. HRC’s chance to run this country was stolen by a group of Chicago thugs who should be in prison rather than in the White House. I will no longer abide political correctness concerning this issue. The anger needs to be voiced and voiced loudly to overcome the incessant din of the “yes we can” morons like jackie. They need to see, feel, and understand in no uncertain terms our anger.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Europe could have looked very different today if Slobodan Milosevic had not been taken to task. There was always an undercurrent throughout Europe once the passing of Tito arose an uprising would occur and we all saw what unfolded!

  • HARP

    We really should get one of those “smart” crappers. You know, the kind that actually gets rid of the turd when you flush.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    LMAO, HARP.

  • DBB

    What an error-ridden flatulant diarrheic post.  The last Presidential nominee to lose a prior general election (and heavily at that) was Adlai Stevenson, the Democrat standard bearer in ’52 and ’56.  Yes, the Republicans gave Bob Dole, the losing 1976 Veep nominee, a shot  as the Presidential nominee 20 years later; Walter Mondale who lost as the incumbent VP in 1980 running with Carter only had to wait 4 years for his turn to head the ticket.  George HW Bush served 8 years as VP and got his party’s nomination, so did Al Gore.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    Flagged for the usual irrelevancy. Do take a course in Logic, dimbulb.

  • felizarte

    Except Steve, calling Hillary a “loser” is not quite right in light of all that happened during the primaries/convention/and now the revelation of the JournoList conspirators.  I for one will just sit by and see what happens in the next few months; hoping and praying that events will unfold to redeem this country.

  • foxyladi14

    thank you Steve.that is a great post.and I agree with you,
    i,ve had the feeling there was a deal made,and I wouldn’t be one bit surprised
    to see Hillary run and win in 2012

  • CarlaforHillary

    Hi Steve, I liked your post in the spirit in which it was written. Especially your opinion on the state of Hillary and Bill’s marriage.  Having seen them up close and personal in Philadelphia, there is no doubt that there is love between them.  I saw Bill Clinton with tears in his eyes, clapping his hands and mouthing the words “I love you” to Hillary while she gave her acceptance speech.  It was an amazing moment.

     Maybe if Hillary had lost the nomination fairly, instead of losing it because of people being bussed into the Iowa caucus from Illinois, people being shut out of Texas, and fake registrations  and votes completed by Acorn (and much more that we don’t know about)  then we all could debate about whether or not Bill helps or hurts Hillary. 

    If the election were fairly held today, I think that Bill helping or hurting equal out, as you said in your post.

    Steve, I do admire you for standing up for Hillary and supporting her, but do you not believe in the fraud that went on that got Obama elected? Neither of them had enough delegates to win the nomination – Obama was selected by the paid-off super delegates. I know I have posted this before – but I saw and read the letter Hillary’s campaign counsel wrote to the Obama campaign about the election fraud in Nevada, and I read e-mail after e-mail from the Hillary’s legal campaign counsel asking people for declarations with respect to the fraud in Texas.  Hillary did release a statement to the press on primary day in Texas with respect to the election fraud.  The press ignored her.

    The media was in the tank for Obama and hated Hillary, so that also helped her demise with respect to the super-delegates.  She ultimately ended having more votes going into the convention and she won more primaries and Obama won more caucus’. 

    We all know that if so many of us knew what we knew know about Hillary and Obama now…that Hillary would be president, regardless of how bad of a boy Bill ever had been.

    I

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker Berfle

    Except Steve, calling Hillary a “loser” is not quite right in light of all that happened during the primaries/convention/and now the revelation of the JournoList conspirators.
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    I agree in point but in reality, HRC wasn’t the loser, felizarte–the country was.

  • CarlaforHillary

    Sorry about the triple posts! I thought we could delete our posts???? Admin, please delete two of my posts.  Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

  • HARP

    Why would anyone want to take a Democrat cruise these days?

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Greate image–it’s also black and white, which matches all the liberal requirements for an alleged leader.

  • Steve_in_KC

    Carla, thank you for your comments.  In answer to your questions about the fraud being the reason she lost, I do agree completely.  What I was exploring in this post was the question of why the DNC did not support her, even though she was clearly the best candidate.  I left Obama and his minions out intentionally, because I was focusing on the Clintons, how they were perceived by their fellow Democrats in 2008, and why those perceptions might have caused them to conspire to keep her from winning. 

    There has been so much written about how Obama’s campaign and the DNC stole the election.  I was limiting my piece to the question of WHY the Democrats in the DNC and other positions of power didn’t want her to win.  Was it because of Bill?  That’s the question I was exploring in the limited space of a single post.  Put another way, I wanted to hear what the readers have to say on this subject.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Carla: You should be able to delete them yourself. The “Delete” option should appear next “Flag Like Reply” on the post you want to delete.

  • anngonzalez

    this is what I hate most about obamacrats and the the brazilliacrats…they use republican talking points to trash Bill and Hillary. It’s disgusting and leaves real democrats without a party anymore.

    Lets not forget Obama praising Reagan and denigrating Bill Clinton…barf.

    There’s that huffpo diary up about whether hillary should run in 2012 and while Hillary wins on votes the comments take me right back to 2008 and the obamacrat blogwar to demonize Bill and Hillary.

    Bill Clinton was hands down the best president in the last 50 years…name a better one. And that democrats take every opportunity to defile him just shows how democrats have lost their ever loving minds and souls.

    On top of that, to talk about Hillary as if she is Bill, to talk about the Clintons, is pure sexism. Personally I think Hillary is smarter, wiser and would be a much better president. She doesn’t have Bill’s failings — which at its core is a need to be liked or spoken highly of. Hillary has endured more and yet continues to speak out on the issues that matter…she does so in a way no politicians in America have done. She just came out declaring LGBT rights as human rights…not a political posture but a moral one.

    She would be an awesome president…and, despite all the people that say “there’s no way, she’s done, blah, blah, blah…” we just won’t know what is going to happen until it happens.

  • FLDemFem

    And I doubt anyone will put up a statue of Obama like they did of Bill Clinton in Sarajevo. They appreciate Bubba, even if some don’t.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    I would agree Ann, except she is working for the miscreant that was rsponsible for her savaging. Should she resign after the November elections and blow the whistle on the interloper in the WH, then she might have a chance. But she better have some real dirt on him, otherwise the hand-wringers, the looney left, or the NAACP will call her racist.

    She’s really in a pickle of her own making since she should have never agreed to serve for the flop-eared moron in the first place.

  • FLDemFem

    Tango.. Bill Clinton went to Harvard..on a scholarship out of the Arkansas public schools. Then he was selected as a Rhodes Scholar, which puts him in the top 1/2 percent of the students in the country at the time. That is where the Rhodes Scholar people look for their candidates. Then they pick the best of that 1/2 percent. Bill Clinton’s education, after high school, is as elite as it gets..but the big difference between him and the other “elites” is that he got his because he was so smart and worked hard at school that he qualified for scholarships and they got theirs because they could get in and afford the schools. Bill Clinton scares them because when he is in the room, they feel like dummies by comparison. And they are. That’s a reason to hate anyone, let alone someone with more charm than should be legal, someone who retains the love of the world, and this country, years after leaving office. It’s a wonder to me that one of them hasn’t actually killed him, never mind trash-mouthing him. And he will be remembered, with a smile, long after they are gone.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    It’s too confusting to understand stupid ideas, so that’s why it’s impossible for me to understand the DNC’s behavior during the primary. 

    As a woman, I can come up with only this:  NP is too much of a narcissist and that’s why she relates to Obaby, and there is no way in H-E double hockey sticks that she was going to let another woman push her out of the position as highest ranking femail politician–especially one who is so obviously smarter, prettier, kinder, and more experienced than she.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    OT but Katmoon says hello from Ft. Campbell to all NQ regulars.

  • kafir

    The US operates on the basis of the eagle-pigeon approaches for foreign policy.

    The Republican uses the eagle approach creating friends and enemies all over the world.

    This is neutralized by the democratic’s pigeon’s approach.

    After the Bush’s terms was over, Obama used the pigeon approach while Hillary still intended using the eagle’s approach,as her vow to obliterate Iran for non nuclear compliance… Hillary made the biggest blunder and hence her downfall…

    And now she is using the eagle’s approach against North Korea for sinking a South Korea’s warship- another eagle’s approach which is detrimental to world peace… unlike Bill who extended the olive branch to North Korea, and the world is in peace and harmony!

  • anngonzalez

    But, really Ferd, democrats were responsible for her savaging. It was the liberal journoLists and dem leadership the whipped the kids into a froth. Everything she’s done since the election has boosted her stature and certainly dampened all that bullshit entitled, power hungry crap they were spewing. It’s difficult to malign a person who has served the country so well. (or you can try, but the voters are going to see through the bull crap. Most people in 2008 didn’t really know Hillary…they just knew the republican iie of her as a shrill, power hungry woman. They had no idea that she was smart, hard working and diplomatic.)

    One of her biggest weaknesses, although not as weak as obama’s, was her foreign policy experience…and, I’d say she has gone on to address that. There isn’t a person in politics who will have more foreign policy creds than she will in 2012.

    Really, I think she made the best possible decision she could since the dem party had stolen the nomination from her. If she cried fowl and fought they, with a complicit media, would have buried her forever. Her life in public service would be over. Now she’s doing great good for America. She’s the only one in the whole Obama administration I trust and I’d be an absolute wreck if she weren’t there to bring intelligence to the cabinet.

    I do know that there are some republican candidates that would scare me more as president than Obama with Hillary in State.

  • oowawa

    In retrospect, what were the mistakes that Hillary made?  She certainly underestimated what the Obama forces would bring to bear in order to win, particularly in the caucus states.  She and Bill were caught flatfooted by the racist charge.  She did not foresee that Obama could so completely deprive her of the black vote.  She did not anticipate how her own party was so totally willing to flush her candidacy.  And then, there was the very harmful “misspeaking” about coming under enemy fire in Bosnia.  Was she a loser or a victim?  Her campaign made major mistakes, and her opponents were unscrupulous.  What has she learned, and is she willing to take off the gloves?  We’ll see.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    The DNC is at fault, in part. The big “but” I have is that a real man with a sense of ethics would not have allowed such shit to occur. That One is branded forever in my mind as a callow, shallow POS who has no credibility, no qualifications, and no pedigree to hold the office. He is a worthless excuse for a human being who shold be drummed from office at the earliest possible moment. I am not kidding.

    And because the above is self-evident, HRC should NEVER have agreed to be used by him.

  • WhatNow

    I have admired Hillary ever since I lived in Arkansas. I’ve defended her on numerous occassions. BUT, before I go crazy about Hillary again, I want to know what she meant the she was a “modern progressive”? Is it like being a progressive, but modernized? What is that?

    I am going skip the bandwagon and find out more of what Hillary really stands for.

  • Cathy6224

    Ferd,
    I spent my life as a Democrat, believing everything the Democrats said they were fighting for. And believing everything they said about Republicans. Since the 2008 campaign and the election, I no longer believe ANYTHING they say. The Democrats lie so much, nothing they say is believable. I agree with you the Democrat party is dead.

    I too am now a registered independent. And I too will vote for the best candidate that holds the same or as close to my beliefs and values.

    But I would also like to say, We the people are to blame for this (no not just that people voted for him without any experience or record to go by). We the people stopped holding politicians accountable for their actions. We stopped voting for our country and beliefs and voted party instead. We know the politicians regardless of party won’t vote for term limits. So we the people must enforce term limits to any and every politician who does not do what they are elected to do. If they don’t vote them out next time.

    We allowed the politicians to do as they please and treat us however, and we didn’t hold them accountable, take a look a the career corrupt politicians. It truly is our own fault, however, we are on track to rectifying the problem. We are awake and paying very, very close attention now!

    I started an article about the topic, but got stuck since I am not a writer.

  • Breeze

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    FlDemFem,

    BRILLIANT!!!

    THANK YOU!!!

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Clear your internet cache and then see what happens.

  • Sandy

    Right about now, the imposter in the WH could use a little bit of help. He does not seem to know his ass from a hole in the ground. Now, that is what a loser looks like!!!

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    meant “female” and not “femail” of course

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    In retrospect, what were the mistakes that Hillary made? 
    ==============================
    Trusting a liar. I didn’t like That One when he gave the speech at the 2004 convention. As far as I was concerned, he was a cud-chewing steer. I’ve seen too much of that crap at work. That ANYONE believed a word he said/says speaks volumes about their gullibility. He sells snake oil of the toxic variety, which I will never purchase.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    Ferd, I know that Hillary is working for us, not for Obaby.

  • HARP

    Now that is called intelligent thinking. Good for you.

  • CarlaforHillary

    @ Steve..ooohhh…..now I get it! lol.. Hmm..I do think that the dems conspired to keep out Hillary.  I do think the men – Ted K. Reid, Kerry, would have conspired to keep out any woman. But espcially Hillary because she is a woman plus Bill Clinton, whom I’m sure they harbor jealous/angry feelings against (Bill).

    They had to come up with a sure-fire weapon – Obama.  Harry Reid has said as much.

    I almost feel like a this is a “did the chicken come first or the egg” argument.  If woman were allowed to do in what men could do back when Hillary first came of age, we definitely wouldn’t have have to wonder about whether or not Bill helped or hurt Hillary. 

    In the area of being the presidential nominee, I would agree with you Steve that Bill’s problems hurt Hillary in her bid to the democratic party to want her as its nominee.

    Thanks or the reply Steve!

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    At one point, I agreed with you on this, Diana, and was four-square for her being the only adult in the room. Since then, That One has gone even further into the left-wing void. I cannot support her if she doesn’t leave after November. She needs to take a stand for us but moreso against him. We no longer have the luxury of time.

  • oowawa

    Yep–I remember that speech, Ferd.  I also remember how even before the speech,  the news commentators were oo-ing and ah-ing about this new rising star in the Democratic Party, and watch out for him, because we would be hearing lots more about him, and etc . . .

    It’s as if the implausible script had already been written for this unknown actor, and the play was afoot . . .

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    Perhaps Hillary is taking a Hillary approach, which might be to deal with each country, each situation, each time according to what she feels is best at that time, place, and with that particular leader.  Where you got this eagle/pigeon idea is beyond me.  I’ve stepped in a lot of pigeon poop but no eagle poop that I know of.

  • CarlaforHillary

    I have often said the same thing about N.P., Diana.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    I started an article about the topic, but got stuck since I am not a writer.
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    I’d say you did a fine job. Cathy. I agree with your sentiments.

  • csuzeq

    Hillary would have to play hard ball and from what I’ve seen, she just isn’t willing to do so.  She chose party politics over country and the furthering of her career than exposing Ohblahblah.  She would have an awful lot of explaining to do to win my vote again.  

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    It’s as if the implausible script had already been written for this unknown actor, and the play was afoot . . .
    ============
    That’s it exactly. That One was what Biden called him (can’t recall all the hyperbole) but it wasn’t really flattering and the Democrats didn’t nominate him except to solidy their AA base. It was all too political. That One hasn’t the credibility to be in office but a lot of monied interests at work made sure we got him–the same ones who gave us Dubya.

  • CarlaforHillary

    Hi Ferd, don’t you think though that Hillary was looking at the bigger picture, as well as wanting to serve her country in accepting the SOS position?

    She really has changed people’s opinions of her to even better then before she was SOS. She would have been a great president, but she is really comes across as strong as SOS. 

    I heard during the primaries that one reason the dem party didn’t want her to be president was because she was a woman and certain countries – like Saudi Arabia, would not deal with her.   I have no idea if that is true or not, but it makes sense. 

    To me, she is serving this country and not Obama. That may not be true either, but I like to think that.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Spot on! I’ve posted above that if she quits at mid-term and blows the whistle on the crap artist squatting in the WH, then I’ll consider her again. But as I said, she better have some real dirt on the scumbag otherwise the right- and left-wing shills will be adding additional scars to her person.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    And she does have to explain that “progressive” statement she made, as well.

  • Guest

    And with the PUMA cross-over vote, she would have won bigger than Obama. Probably something like 52-41 against McCain. I can’t even bear to think about it for real.

  • anngonzalez

    That’s exactly right, WhatNow. I wasn’t a fan of Hillary running for president because I didn’t want to endure all the negative trash talk that republicans revel in especially when talking about Bill or Hillary. (Little did I know that Dems would be far worse.) But, I had the good fortune of meeting a dem who said there was nothing I could say that would turn her away from her support for Hillary. That intrigued me because I’d never heard anyone speak so absolutely and positively about Hillary.

    That’s when my 2008 campaign began. I listened to HIllary’s speeches. I listened to what she said on the floor of the Senate. I realized that the media was completely divorced from the truth, especially with regard to Hillary. I saw my beloved NPR running misleading and false stories to take down Hillary and promote Obama. I was astonished.

    What I discovered is that Hillary was consistent in her message, she was smart in the things she said, she could speak without notes or a teleprompter because she was never saying something that she didn’t believe or understand and that whether it was talking about women’s rights, or LGBT rights or any other politically dangerous topic…Hillary always maintained that peace and prosperity comes through the elevation of all humans and the guarantee of human rights globally.

    Hillary went to Tavis Smiley’s Black America forum and spoke out, as she always has, about civil rights…despite the fact that she had been called racist and every other name by the same people who used to call her a friend.

    Anyway…listen to her. (Don’t believe what is written or said about her) I think you’ll be impressed.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Caarla:

    I did up until That One went off the deep end with the border issue and HRC chimed in on the wrong side of it. She needs to leave, post haste. Her credibility as a moderate is at stake as is her future career in politics as That One will soon be a millstone around the Democrats collective necks, which we be demonstrated in no uncertain terms come November.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    And with the PUMA cross-over vote, she would have won bigger than Obama. Probably something like 52-41 against McCain. I can’t even bear to think about it for real.
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    What could have been…. For that alone the Democrats should be tarred and feathered in November.

  • abbie

    And the Journolist story confirms even more how there was collusion to promote Obama to her detriment.  And now we all suffer!  What a wasted opportunity.  So who can trust “journalists” ever again? It will be interesting to see how they react to this story or if they try to bury it (hmm, which do you think it will be?)

  • abbie

    I recall that we waited and hoped Europe would step in and do something and they did not, so the Clinton White House could wait no longer.  I, too, am very proud of that and the fact that Gen. Clark stopped the genocide with not one American casualty.  That, to me, is what America stood for.

  • anngonzalez

    I just don’t get that Ferd. I mean it’s immaterial whether you’d support Hillary or Huckabee or some other crazy republican…because we don’t know what is gong to happen or who our choices will be…but it makes no sense to me why Hillary would come out and take a stand against Obama. That would be suicide for her.

    We all saw that a candidate needs the support of the party in order to be nominated. The dem party flat out stole the election from her. Independents don’t win, and if Hillary is going to do anything political after her tenure in state she needs the dregs of the dem party to support her.

    I wouldn’t put it past obama to start backroom chatter and deals that she should come out against him and it would all be a setup to destroy her. From my point of view all I ask of HIllary is that she says what she believes and is committed to. If you follow her…she is careful in how she phrases things…giving bo “credit” where it’s due, and making her stand when it is contrary to his.

    If she left after November and took a stand against him what would that accomplish? Do you think they’ll impeach bo on Hillary’s request?

  • abbie

    And we are still in Iraq! The anti-war groups seem to have closed up shop after The One was elected. Why is no one screaming about this any more????

  • abbie

    Also, similar “misspeaking” by Obama we now know was suppressed by the cabal of “Journolists” so anything she said in error was magnified whereas anthing he said in error such as ”his parents meeting in Selma,” for example, was minimized.  We (well not us here at NQ) were played for idiots–big time!

  • jbjd

    According to this WH biography, President Clinton (wow, it feels good to actually use the title immediately preceding the name again; I have never used those words next to each other, in that order, for BO) attended  Georgetown, then Yale.  http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/presidents/williamjclinton

  • abbie

    Diane – Look up the “Journolist” story–your suspicisons are confirmed!!

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    FLDemFem I watched the Senate hearings and a documentary about what went on there.  The stories of rape, murder, and torture were horrific.

    My biggest beef with Clinton? His failure to intervene in Rwanda. He listened to Tony Blair and that turned out to be a  mistake.  Bill Clinton admits that Rwanda was the worst mistake of his Presidency.  That’s one of the reasons his foundation is working so hard to help people in Africa.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    If she left after November and took a stand against him what would that accomplish? Do you think they’ll impeach bo on Hillary’s request?
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    This isn’t ultimately about her or about him but about the country and what That One is doing to it. I don’t care what it will mean for her future as I’m worried about OUR future. She would do us a big favor by resigning and exposing him for the fraud he is. By so doing, she’ll actually help herself in the long run.

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    Remember the Republican cries at the time of “wag the dog”?  The Republicans insisted  that Bin Laden was no real threat and Clinton was just using him to distract from administration scandals.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    My biggest beef with Clinton? His failure to intervene in Rwanda.
    ================
    I agree entirely. We could have at least put a dent in, if not stopped, the cruelty and inhumanity going on there. I never understood why he didn’t at least try.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    And we are still in Iraq! The anti-war groups seem to have closed up shop after The One was elected. Why is no one screaming about this any more????
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    Because they have no skin in the game and never really gave a shit in the first place.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Remember the Republican cries at the time of “wag the dog”? 
    ====================
    I sure do, candymarl. It was not exactly patriotic what the right did to Clinton, especially Trench-mouth Lott who stated that bin Laden was just an excuse for Clinton to divert attention from the Monica Lewinsky tempest in an oh-so-tiny-teapot. I suppose the families of 9/11 victims have a much different take on it.

  • anngonzalez

    Oh, my, you and I observe different Hillary’s. She plays diplomatic hardball better than anyone. I am still astonished by what she did by continuing to campaign until the very end when it was so clear that the dem leadership and the journoLists had picked bobo. There was hardly an ounce of political support for her to continue and everywhere the drumbeat was she should just quit. The backbone and tenacity that she had to keep going through a grueling campaign that was going to be won against all odds…that is hardball.

    I mean those lying journoLists were making her out to be a racist who conspired to have Bobby Kennedy killed, a liar who thinks tea parties are foreign relations…on and on.

    And, whether it’s women’s rights or gay rights she never once equivocated or compromised her opinion…that too is hardball in my opinion.

    Whether there was a conspiracy or not I don’t know, but in the latter part of the campaign Hillary lost her friends Stephanie Tubbs Jones and Gwatney, and still she persevered for us. If you don’t have the media it is almost impossible to get your message out to real people. Hillary went door to door…that’s the reason she gained support. For all we know Hillary did stand up and say this is wrong and file a complaint against the rules committee and no one covered it. I’m not saying that’s what happned, I’m just saying the woman fights harder than anyone I’ve ever seen.

  • Yttik

    I agree candymarl, my biggest beef with Clinton is that he didn’t intervene in Rwanda.

    He also turned his back on the women of Afganistan, who at the time were like the canary in the coal mine begging for some intervention before their country became a haven for future problems.

  • anngonzalez

    I don’t see how. She can’t expose him if no one covers her message. If she stands alone and says, “He’s a fraud” nothing will happen. Where will be the victory in that?

    It doesn’t make sense to me…I’d much rather have her making sure America is using smart power in foreign relations.

  • Yttik

    I do remember.

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    True John. He  and Hillary helped me.

  • getfitnow

    Exactly, and I hope to live long enough to find out why. Lately, with Journolist and ACORN coming out, I’ll keep hoping.

    The stunner for me continues to be the decks of race cards the dems continue to play. This started from the very beginning and, in my eyes has tainted many that I once respected.

    As excited as I was when I found out the speaker of the House was going to be a woman–next to That One being a one termer, Nancy Pelosi having to relinquish the gavel, will give me much pleasure. :-D  

  • helenk

    Personally I am glad Hillary Clinton is SOS at this time. Think about all the choices that benedict backtrack made for cabinet offices. Most of the do not know their toenail from their a&&.
    Right now
    Iran
    North Korea
    Iraq
    Afghanistan
    and I just read about problems in South America.
    We need someone with a brain and a heart as SOS to mitigate some of the damage from benedict backtrack and bunch.
    Yes she should be president and we would not have half the problems we have if she were. But at this  point she is not and is doing what she can to help the country.
    I have worked for some bosses who were stone cold idiots and must of had pictures, negatirves and knee pads to get the job they had. You do what you can to the best of your  ability to work around them to get the job done. The job  is  always the most important.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE  CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    As excited as I was when I found out the speaker of the House was going to be a woman–next to That One being a one termer, Nancy Pelosi having to relinquish the gavel, will give me much pleasure.
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    What you said. I was so disappointed in her with the impeachment-is-off-the-table remark but even moreso when she decided to further the damage by supporting his socialist policies in lock step.

  • lorac

    Yes, she did file formal complaints, even press releases, and yes, she was ignored.

  • CarlaforHillary

    @Ferd – Yes, you are right about her taking the wrong side of the issue re the border. And I went “ouch” when she did that.   Your points are noted.

  • CarlaforHillary

    @ Ferd – Thanks for the internet tip! It worked on my new posts but not my old ones though.  Many thanks.

  • Yttik

    Actually she can’t “explain” anything to me at this point or distance herself from Obama, because she would still run as a Democrat. It’s the Dem party and what they represent at the moment that has completely turned me off.

    I don’t think she furthered her career by joining Obama, I think she sacrificed it for the good of the country.

  • Fred

    Problem is the Serbs weren’t the only ones engaging in atrocity. The Bosniaks were in on the atrocity too. There was also the issue of a nasty little band of foreign mujahideen who liked decapitate Orthodox Christians and stab them in the head with pitch forks. Some of those foreign mujahideen ended up being al Qaida.

    Besides the Serbs pose zero threat to America’s national security and the KLA was hardly a group of nice people. Why are we supporting one group of bad people against another group of bad people when our national security is not threatened? It beats me.

    How did the recent Balkans conflict coin the term Ethnic cleansing? Is America that collectively shortsighted and ignorant of history. Saddam was guilty of such behavior on a much more massive scale. For that matter, the Bosniaks were guilty of perpetrating ethnic cleansing against the Serbs during World War II, as Bosnian Muslims formed a Waffen SS division.

    Though the icing on the cake here is the fact that Wahhabism is on the rise in Bosnia and probably Kosovo too. Was it our objective to replace the Serbs, a people who can be meaner than pitbulls yet pose no threat to our national security with individuals who are inherently genocidal and pose a very real threat to our national security?

  • Senneth

    I agree with you Ferd.  I’ve been a Democrat for 40 years.  Not any more, I, too, changed to Indepedent.  I agree the Democratic Party is dead.  The ends never justify the means, and disenfranchising your own Party members and foisting this incompetent know-nothing onto the country is treacherous – especially during a time of two wars.  I think the leadership of the Dems should be held accountable for their behavior as well as oilsoc. 

    I am also totally disgusted with the continued partying, sports moments, celebrity meetings, vacations, golfing, only to start the round all over again on the tax payer’s dime.  We can’t afford this behavior.

    And as for HRC, I very much wonder if she could get the same level of support she did in 2008.  Had she not campaigned for this fraud as vociferously as she did, so that many of her voters ended up voting for him, I doubt if we would be in this horrendous place as a country with an incompetent in office.  Yes, she is doing a great job as SOS, but is she also part of the problem?  In my opinion country should have trumped party, any day of the week.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    I don’t see how. She can’t expose him if no one covers her message. If she stands alone and says, “He’s a fraud” nothing will happen. Where will be the victory in that? 
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    OK, I’ll bite. Let me state for the record that HRC should resign and blow the whistle on That One for the good of the country. I don’t care about HER policital aspirations. And were she to resign, the entire country would take notice, even the mouth-breathers at MSNBC.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    You’re welcome, Carla.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Again, this isn’t about her, per se, but the country. She needs to expose the fraud now and not at the end of his only persidency when she’ll probably write a best-delling book about it. We don’t need another Scottie McClellan–we need a person who gives a shit about the country before self.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    Wow, your comment could have been written by me, Senneth, which is to say well done and I concur 100%. If I could give moe than one “like”, I would surely do so.

    Ferd

  • Fred

    Although what turns me off most about the Clintons are the stories of how military personnel were treated in the White House under the Clintons’ watch.

    Unless I see convincing evidence to the contrary on that count, I will never endorse the Clintons going back to the White House.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    It’s called a political vacuum in an unstable region, Fred, and Clinton did the right thing. Do your homework. Your comments are rubbish and I won’t do them the dignity of responding.

  • sowsear

    RE: incinerating toilet
    http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/56/almost-invisible-mirrored-tree-house-built-in-sweden.html

    and “a state-of-the-art, eco-friendly, incineration toilet”
    (Although I’ve owned an incinerating toilet, and it wasn’t that eco-friendly. It used a lot of electricity and created noise and some smells. But perhaps they’ve improved.)

    See, things (and presidents) are not always as advertised.

  • Ferd Un-PC Cracker Berfle

    And another thing, Fred, the Nazis were never a direct threat to us in WWII, either. Should we have just fought the Japanese? Your comments indicate youth and inexperience (or that you’re another in a long line of silly trolls).

  • kafir

    You are ignorant to world events as you and most Americans are living in pigeon holes.

    This is the the perception of the rest of the world think.

    Facts: Bush as a liar with greed, was elected as POTUS not once but twice even though lost miserably in presidential debates to Al Core & Kerry.

    Obama as a Muslim could dude the whole country and be elected as POTUS.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6r1IcY1pv0&feature=related

  • Breeze

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    MUST SEE:

    THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE 2008 PRIMARY:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZTwYQ3aZXQ&feature=player_embedded#!

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    Good  point Sandy. Why would the even the LSM say Bill Clinton was called to the WH to help fix the economy?  That’s not Bill’s job anymore. It’s Obama’s. It’s chilling to me and further proof that Obama is not fit for the job.

  • sowsear

    his ass from a hole in the ground.
    Or as the Harvard crowd might say, “He doesn’t know his rectal orifice from an aperture in the earth’s surface”.

  • sowsear

    BO’s gaffes were barely mentioned and his debate response, “What Hillary said” should have drawn ridicule in a normal political world.

  • Breeze

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    All these Journolist are now at the Nutroots convention being addressed by communist Van Jones.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/24/van-jones-stop-worrying-about-the-deficit-the-government-can-just-take-more-money-from-rich-companies/

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    Funny how Hillary showed up for the Black Forum and Obama couldn’t be bothered although he was invited.  Yet black folks in America still think Obama is on their side.  Many of the folks on the panel sang his praises and ignored the fact Obama didn’t bother to show. That’s willful blindness and dangerous in my view.

  • Steve1

    Hillary Clinton, 2012  Drop Barry Soetoro for the sake of the country! 

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree,  anngonzalez.  Hillary Clinton’s tenacity is a wonder to behold.  One of the moments I remember from the 2008 primaries was her victory speech Ohio.  The press was hounding her to drop out, said she didn’t have a chance but she kept pressing forward, winning those big states, one after another.  But in Ohio, after the Obamatrons repeatedly said she’d be trounced, she said [paraphrase]:

    “This is for everyone who’s been knocked down.  This is for everyone who’s been told they can’t get up.  This win’s for you.”

    For me that says everything I need to know about Hillary Clinton as a person, as a fighter.  She went the distance, even as her own party backstabbed her repeatedly.  She went the distance for us and showed us all how it’s done.

    I supported Hillary in 2008.  I support her now.  And if she were to run again, I’d vote for her in a heartbeat.

    As for Bill Clinton?  He was the best president I had the pleasure to vote for, twice.  He, too, sucked it up, withstood the savaging of constant Republican attacks.  As he said a couple of months ago: They never brought the junkyard dawg down.  He worked through the impeachment and his approval numbers actually went up.  Currently, he’s 10 pts ahead of Obama’s approval ratings.  As for being an albatross?  The Dems are in trouble now.  And who do they call in?  Big Dawg. For all their griping and sniping, even the Democrats realize the Clintons are the most talented, smartest couple out there.  And they’re both leaders in their own right.

    I will not automatically join the Republicans in 2010 or 2012.  I’ll look at the candidates and if I can’t find a suitable one, I’ll vote for an alternative candidate or hold my vote altogether. Btw, this is one Dem who has never had a wistful throught for Bush&Co.

    Thanks for the piece, Steve.   

  • Cathy6224

    Thank you Ferd. I read NQ daily, I rarely post, but I had to respond to your post

  • Fred

    Ferd

    Something tells me I have more experience dealing with both genocidal types and their handywork than you do.

    There is absolutely no comparing the Serbs to Nazi Germany. The Nazis possessed the most powerful war machine in the World and were actively going about conquering Europe and carving out an empire. Were the Serbs doing such a thing? No. Did the Serbs even possess the capability to do such a thing? No. Did Serbia declare war on the United States? No.

    By the way, Nazi Germany did declare war on the United States.

    Though given the extremely flawed logic I am seeing here, is it only a gross violation of human rights when it is shown on TV 24/7?
    From what I am seeing here, I think the answer is yes.

  • AbigailAdams

    Perhaps Kafir means Hawks and Doves — a simplistic idea that Repubs are the defenders (or in liberal cirlces, warmongers) and the Democrats are the peace-loving doves. 

    In any event, “most Americans” are not so nearly as ignorant of what’s happening in the world as kafir may think.  It’s just that there is so much political stuff happening in other countries and ever so much more stuff happening in our own, not to mention all the other stuff that just happens on a daily basis in our own communities and families, that it would take an 80 hour day just to be up-to-date on all the important stuff that effects us personally–in our own personal lives–to stay ahead of the game.

    Kafir is most unkind and perhaps a little ignorant, too, to imply that not knowing is the same as not caring.

    And finally, depending upon who, exactly “the rest of the world” is, it’s probably not all that important to “most Americans.”  We must be doing something right to elicit the rapt attention of “the rest of the world.”

  • helenk

    This is one reason I am glad Hillary Clinton is where she is, This is the kind of person benedict backtrack has in his cabal. Just think what kind of  person he would have picked as SOS if not for her. This country would be in deeper do-do with our allies and our enemies.
    I feel that Hillary Clinton is protecting me as an American citizen in spite of benedict backtrack

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    Hillary did file a complaint about the fraud during the primaries and the DNC ignored it.

    Everyone keeps saying what she should do. It reminds me of what I once heard a motivational speaker say “Don’t let anybody should on you”. It’s easy from the outside looking in.

    When Hillary played softball during the primaries they ripped her to shreds. What do you think the DNC would do to her if she trashes Obama? Please. These idiots are still in campaign mode and still playing the race card. I think Hillary needs to take my grandmother’s advice: “Never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing”.  Maybe that’s the strategy she’s pursuing.

    Just sayin’.

  • seattlegonz

    Now you’re being near ridiculous Ferd. To say Hillary Clinton is acting selfishly is absurd. I hear that you’re mad that she wasn’t able to get the dems to recognize that she beat BO, and so am I. But, it wasn’t her fault it was stupid obamcrats, the so-called news media and the dem leadership. There wasn’t a single thing she could do…she did, in fact, everything she could to right the record and to claim the nomination. It’s the dems and the complicit repubs fault that Obama is president, not Hillary’s. In fact she was the primary voice speaking out against him as president…think of it. She said more than anyone else against him. Everyone else that spoke out against him…Ferraro and others were destroyed. She kept speaking the truth despite the efforts to silence her. It’s not her fault that the dem party didn’t recognize that she had more support than bo and that they decided to steal her delegates and give them to him. That was all done in plain sight and no one (but us) gave a crap. We weren’t strong enough to make a difference, how would she be able to by herself?

    Selfish? Not a chance.

  • Fred

    Of course you won’t reply. Not because my comments are rubbish but because you don’t seem to have the knowledge of the region, the peoples, or the rest of the world in general to do so.

    Though I must say I love the attempts to replace facts and logic with emotion. If only those emotions were enough to convince more to get off their ass and head down to the local recruiting stations, the Globocop biz would really be on.

  • seattlegonz

    Blow the whistle? What do you mean? And the entire country can’t take notice if the truth of what she says or does isn’t covered. For almost all of the campaign there was a complete disconnect between what Hillary said and what was reported about what she said. Again, remember how she was portrayed as wanting Bobby Kennedy killed? Wanting him killed because he was supportive of equal rights no less…it was her racist bent that made her hate Bobby. All of it crap, the worst kind of crap, and yet she couldn’t point at BO as doing it because it was all the news media that were reveling in their BO love and trying to find something to destroy HIllary with. (She must be the most upstanding and morally clean politician because nobody came up with anything real on her, they just manufactured crazy stuff.)

    As long as journalism is dead there’s no way to “let everyone know” and get everyone to take notice…there’s no way. Most of America isn’t reading noquarter.

  • seattlegonz

    I’m with you candymarl. I bet Hillary is keeping close counsel… focusing on affairs of state, chelsea’s wedding and watching what happens with bo. It cracks me up when people say “she’s done” or “there’s no way she runs against bobo” or “I’ll never vote for her after her choosing to support bobo.” For me, I have no idea what is going to happen…bobo could have a heart attack from the hard work of campaigning in November and be unable to continue as pres, or Huckabee or some other lunatic repub might get the nomination for the gop…I mean, we don’t know what 2012 looks like. I’ll just wait and see…oh, and hope Hillary is the dem nominee.

  • Rosa

    I think they are minimizing it.

  • oowawa

    “I was limiting my piece to the question of WHY the Democrats in the DNC and other positions of power didn’t want her to win.  Was it because of Bill?”

    Well, undoubtedly, different players had different reasons for ultimately wanting Hillary to lose to Obama.  If you made a pie-chart of the reasons, I doubt that animosity towards Bill would be more than 10%.  Assume 15% voted for Obama because of racial reasons (including white guilt and redemption).  Give another 35% to animosity towards Hillary and misogyny in general.  I think the other 40% probably is attributable to enthusiasm (and I use that in the religious sense of the word) for Barack Obama and his hope-change litany, and a general euphoria in the “historicness” of the occasion.

    Disclaimer: I’m clueless.

  • Becky

    right on!!!

  • Rosa

    So now its okay now that ob can’t handle the job he asks the Clintons for advice and help?

  • Rosa

    peggysue I have to agree wiith you and I too will Not vote automatically for a republican even if shes a woman.  As I said before we have had enough inexperienced presidents the last three elections!

  • Timmy

    I don’t just love Bill, I adore Hillary.
    Now if I had to choose among US presidents, who has Black people interest at heart for the betterment of USA… Hands down Bill Clinton.

    No, don’t get be started about what I think of that HALF black bastard in the WH.

  • Becky

    what you said.  everything.  I couldn’t agree more.  I’m still for Hill.   They are both the best this country has seen in a long time, and they are both under-appreciated in my opinion.  Tenacity.  I love the Clinton tenacity and grit.

  • an observer

    Damn Fred, and Dubya did address the issues you brought up?

  • candymarl light brown cracker

    I followed the link Breeze. The video has been removed by the user.

  • an observer

    Which military personnel? Ollie, who tried to move the Iran-Contra operations from Russelville and Mena to Mexico and leave Bill holding the bag in Arkansas?  No shit he did not trust the military, I would not either. All of us were not born yesterday Fred!

  • Fred

    No, but Dubya isn’t ever moving back to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

    I don’t think Obama will be either when all is said and done.

    The Clintons on the other hand……….

  • Texas Playwright

    I think Hillary is serving the USA and NOT bho the fraud.  She knows how to swim with the sharks-oh, wait, I am disparaging sharks–she knows how to swim NEAR the slime without getting any slime on her.  She and Bill are serving our nation and our planet, and they know the games to play and words to say to stay in the game.  They both know bho the fraud is an absolute moron.  They both know history/herstory will judge them fairly. 

  • an observer

    Let’s cut to the chase, there is a raging battle going on in the Democratic Party between the old blue collar Democrats (FDR, JFK, Bill and Hillary) and the (nearing retirement) old SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) with Soros’ money crowd.
    Hillary and Bill saw this train coming.
    The challenge is to retake the party from the Chicago crowd without losing the Black vote.
    To do that Obama has to resign because of some breaking scandal or health reasons (Parkinson’s due to early drug use).
    Then Hillary is VP and Biden doesn’t run in 2012. She’ll run.
    She’ll win because the Republican Party is currently the Party of Stupid!
    They think that austerity crap will sell.
    To unemployed people? Right!
    Hey, get a clue, you have to spend (invest) money to make money! Just because the Abomination crowd wasted money doesn’t mean we stop spending. Credit has to be directed at physical wealth producing infrastructure (guess that eliminates Wall Street).

  • confloyd

    I keep hearing that Potus has Parkinson’s. I had no idea you can get it from early drug use…

    That is the perfect out…and out he needs to go.

    I do think some kind of a deal was struck…and I also think Hillary has the goods on Obama.

  • an observer

    I see you didn’t address the Mena/Russellville (Parking meter manufacturer) reference. I lived there at that time. Too bad the owner was snorting too much of Ollie’s product and running his mouth, they wouldn’t have had to move the operation. Those “military” people had a nice set up. Well, in the end they were just like the Cubans weren’t they, it is ok to distribute dope if the money is being used to finance some noble political operation?

  • kafir

    America has the propensity of using the bad-buy and good-guy approachwhen solving problems and this brings good results.

    Bill was a great president respected all over the world because of his good-guy approach..

    The world had been treated badly by Bush through bad-guy approach for the last decade. Bush was condemned by the world community and America’s world rating was at her abys.

    Obama is using the good-guy approach whereas Hillary is using the bad-guy approach.

    Sigh! Hilary might as well said sayonara to her 2012 presidential nomination if she persists using the Republican’s bad-guy approach!

  • FranSC

    candymarl, who are you??  I’m sure you won’t say, but at least give us a hint – more than you have in the past.

  • FranSC

    Betty, you are so right about why Hillary is not the POTUS.  But, Steve_in_KC is also right about how many dems despise the Clintons as much as the repubs (if that is possible).   This hatred is not why Hillary lost, however.  She was so effective with working class people, for ex, (especially women in that group) you would have thought she had only earned a ged!   She and Bill Clinton are political geniuses.

    But, no one would have been able to overcome the massive well-funded illegal, unethical, immoral, trickery of the highest order that blind-sided them in 2008.  If they had had a clue this debilitating sh*t  was getting ready to roll down, they would have been ready for it.  Regardless of the lack of enthusiasm for the Clintons among many in their own party, no one could have predicted anything of this magnitude or that it was even possible.  It would have been dismissed as complete fiction had anyone been told these plans. 

    The dem leadership has gotten away with a crime that is in the same category as murder – even worse than that.  The worst part is no one seems to know this even happened, one thing they counted on.  They also learned from the repubs in 2000 – anything and everything is fair game in politics.  The courts won’t touch political matters.  We have our politicians/elected officials to thank for those laws passed to keep them out of trouble.  The general public think people like us are conspiracy theorists at best and crazy at worst.

  • Senneth

    LOL, Ferd.  That’s a compliment, thank you.

  • Kanaughty

    She is serving our country while the one plays golf in our country on our dime :-P

  • EllenD

    I always like your writing Steve, and rarely find anything to disagree with.

    My own life has been the female half of a husband-and-wife team. I find there are many people who cannot understand a partnership of equals – especially in the same business. Spending all your working time and personal with your other half is baffling to many who spend a lot of time away from their husbands and wives and pursue separate interests.
    I’ve had people come up to me at parties genuinely puzzled at how our marriage is possible,
    So I think that what people can’t understand or pigeonhole they automatically reject. They figure there’s got to be something wrong – somehow as this whole concept is unnatural.

  • EllenD

    Perhaps Arnold can run against him in 2012

    Ferd, wash your mouth out with soap!

  • EllenD

    I heard during the primaries that one reason the dem party didn’t want her to be president was because she was a woman and certain countries – like Saudi Arabia, would not deal with her.   I have no idea if that is true or not, but it makes sense.  

    Well, they’re stuck with dealing with her now, aren’t they?
    In the case of Queen Elizabeth, the Saudis couldn’t ignore her so they made her an “honorary man”.
    Pathetic, aren’t they?

  • FranSC

    Much has been said here today about Pelosi and Reid jumping on board to help B0 carry out his agenda.  According to the sources I have studied again and again, it was Pelosi and Emanuel who selected 0bama to run against Hillary because they did not like her war vote, felt she was not liberal enough for the agenda they wanted, and thought she would be too polorizing.  They also knew 0bama would not know his ass from a hole in the ground even if he was a near genius and they would be in control and in charge.  And, they have been exactly that.  Yet, this all started way back in 2005 before 0 was elected to the Senate.

    0bama’s “selection” was confirmed in the recent book, Game Change.  However, the book sites Harry Reid as calling 0 into his office very soon after his election to the Senate and told him they wanted him to run for POTUS.  It was before that meeting, however, that Pelosi and Emanuel had already started laying the ground work. 

    Emanuel was appointed by Pelosi who was at the time a high ranking dem, to recruit dem candidates in repub districts to run.  This was their efforts to get a majority in the House of Reps and make Pelosi Speaker of the House.    They were successful.  Since the 2008 election, I heard Pelosi herself say, “Although we were happy to have a majority of dems in the house we knew we could not accomplish our agenda without a dem POTUS”.  So, these two drunk-with-power king and queen makers tackled the hard one. 

    That’s how it happened – not these two jumping onboard the 0bama train after he was running.  Let’s face it folks, 0bama was in over his head just running for POTUS.  He didn’t have to worry though, Pelosi and company had the agenda, organized the major elements of his campaign along with the other well-funded groups that helped.  The Chicago gang was simply the front people.  Yes, they took the bows for the *brilliant* campaign, but their contributions were minimal.

  • FranSC

    Carla, at the beginning of the comments you will see “Admin” on the right.  Click on “Admin” and then “edit my profile”.  You will see the option to load your comments.  That’s where you can delete the double/triple posts.  That happened to me not long ago and I was horrified.  So, I know how you feel.  Good luck!

  • Bonnie Jean Burris

    This is certainly a couriosity, isn’t it? Somehow the Republicans turn their losers into heros and the Democrats turn their heros into losers. How did the Republicans manage to force a sitting president into testifying under oath about a sexual liason? There’s no doubt he parsed his words with the “sexual relations” statement, but that the amount of intimacy involved in various acts had become blurred by the 1990′s.

    If we selected our presidents based on the hypocratic oath, “First of all, do no harm”, we might be better off than falling into an ideological sink hole where compromise is impossible. Bill Clinton would not compromise on the one area where we most needed him to be uncompromising: the economy.
     He used the veto on spending more than any president in history and his fight with Gingrich meant shutting everything down on more than one occasion and I think the courts did us no favor when they rulled against line-item vetos.
    I saw Hillary as a lifeline after eight years of GWB and I still see her that way as SOS. Being tempered by half a lifetime of attacks has made her strong. The only part I might disagree with would be without Bill she wouldn’t have made it to the national stage. She was well on her way when they married. It would have been a different path, but the destination would have been very much like the life she has chosen.
    It the gods smile on us in 2012, Obama might be persuaded to retire to a life of money and parties (it seems to be what he wants anyway).
    My admiration for both is unqualified. I can’t think of a single other pol who has convinced me they truely love the country the way the Clintons do.
    Thanks for another insight into this “power” couple. One without the other is unimaginable.

  • Dawn

    I believe some on the far left never forgave Bill and by virtue Hillary for compromising and working with the Republicans to get things done including Welfare Reform. 
    It was easy for them to take up for Barry who they thought would be to the left of Hillary. Combine their shared extremist ideology, affirmitive action in action and the promise of Obama fundraising for down ticket races those that could deliver large chunks of superdelegate votes ie Pelosi and we were delivered a candidate who was unqualified and over rated.

  • Guest

    And almost everything Clinton did regarding financial-services regulation changes which let the banks run wild and encouraged the housing bubble has come back to haunt us.

    I understand he had a lot of help from Congress controlled by laissez-faire Republicans hellbent on deregulating markets and Greenspan at the Fed, but  the wall torn down between brokers and banks — still happened on Clinton’s watch.

  • lorac

    They just did another segment on Fox and Friends on the caucus fraud.  They had that same guy on who was the executive producer of the documentary.  I wish they’d send someone else – he has a speech impediment or something, it takes him a few seconds before he can start a sentence, and I think they need someone more strong and quick.

    Alyson asked him to respond to the charge by the guy on her show yesterday who said that these complaints were never brought to the attention of the DNC.   The first time he answered this question, he actually didn’t address it.  When she asked it another way, he said something about how Hillary couldn’t rock the boat because the media was Obama-biased.  All true, but he couldn’t mention she put out a press release?

    I totally DID like that he mentioned that they stole Hillary’s delegates at the RBC meeting.  IMO, that was even more egregious than the caucus fraud – it was active, it can’t be “excused” as a passive lack of responding to a situation.  I also really like that he encouraged viewers to google “Harold Ickes” and (argghh! forget which keyword – travesty???).  I hope people do that.  I’m going to write Alyson to suggest that she PLAY a clip of that video on her show next week – although she may not want to muddy the waters of the topic she is focusing on.

    The bad news is that the guy on yesterday told Alyson that if they want to know if it’s true, they should ask Hillary about this.  What a jerk.  He knows she can’t speak about it now.  Total jerk.

    Alyson said they’d do an update next weekend, to see if the DNC has responded.  She didn’t mention a guest.  I hope she’s going to have someone from the documentary again.

  • Daisy Mae Wye Cwisp Cwacker

    Yes, Senneth. Agree.  Also Ferd and Cathy.  So many good comments here, on the mark.  I chime in, another lifelong Dem, now Indy.  I still get twinges about Hillary, but all those Dems. with her would be a big problem for me.  I’ve left the Dems.  for evah. It’s ovah.  

  • lorac

    I remembered, the keywords were “Harold Ickes” and “hijack”.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    Perhaps Arnold can run against him in 2012 
     
    Ferd, wash your mouth out with soap!
    ==============================
    The precedent is set and Arnold could run. That is a statement of fact. Read between the lines, please. I don’t like Arnold anymore than I like That One or Dubya. I’m only pointing out the obvious.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    I understand he had a lot of help from Congress controlled by laissez-faire Republicans hellbent on deregulating markets and Greenspan at the Fed, but  the wall torn down between brokers and banks — still happened on Clinton’s watch.
    ==========
    That’s true but I don’t think he had any choice since he was being hounded day and night by the right-wingnuts over matters that weren’t important.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    By the way, Nazi Germany did declare war on the United States.
    ============
    OK, boob, I’ll bite. Germany only declared war AFTER we declared war on Japan. Do read your fucking history before commenting any further.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    Blow the whistle? What do you mean? And the entire country can’t take notice if the truth of what she says or does isn’t covered. For almost all of the campaign there was a complete disconnect between what Hillary said and what was reported about what she said…As long as journalism is dead there’s no way to “let everyone know” and get everyone to take notice…there’s no way. Most of America isn’t reading noquarter.
    ===============
    Your comment is well taken. She needs to do this because it is the right thing to do. Then let the chips fall where they may.

  • lorac

    If anyone wants to comment to Alyson at Fox and Friends about today’s show, here is a link:

    http://greenroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/25/we-will-not-be-silenced-2008/

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    Now you’re being near ridiculous Ferd.
    =====================
    Thanks. I’ll remember in future to merely follow the party line, seattlegonz. Mea culpa.

    Do try in future to actually read between the lines.

  • getfitnow

    I want to know what trauma he suffered on the head. The scar is a major slice.

  • getfitnow

    On Friday another producer was interviewed on KSFO (bay area radio). She was from LA. Very articulate. Sorry I can’t remember her name. The podcast should be available on the station’s website–The Brian Sussman show.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    I want to know what trauma he suffered on the head. The scar is a major slice.
    ===================
    That’s where his owners put in the large chip to control his thought processes. It also matches the one on his shoulder.

  • oowawa

    This is Bettina Viviano, who blogged on No Quarter under various blognames (and still may do so, for all I know).  It’s nice to be able to actually hear her voice!  Anyway, this podcast is available here.  She comes on about 10 minutes into the podcast, which is from Friday the 23rd, in the 7 a.m. segment.
    Good interview!  Thanks for posting it, getfitnow.

  • EWard

    Carla

    How can you say that Hillary is serving us when it is Obama’s agenda that she has to implement?  Look at what happened to McChrystal! 

  • bamaLV

    i wonder how many schools, airports or post offices will be named after obama after he leaves office. well maybe one,.,in  chicagos southside.  facing all those building he and tony rezko let fall into disrepair.

  • bamaLV

    much as i detested Bush, he has behaved  with  grace  and good manners thru all of obamas name calling, and blaming of him for everything thats wrong.  almost 2 years in and this phony is still blaming the former president .  i dont remember a current president ever trashing a former president beforelike this one has.  i guess class always tells and tthe Obamas have NONE.

  • bamaLV

    i think come 2012, obama, with ratings in the toilet, wont want to be humiliated by running and losing. he’ll step down before the election with some b/s excuse, letting biden become pres.  biden will then choose hillary as vp and then at some point step down, letting hillary become pres.  it could happen. (tho maybe only in my dreams.)

  • bamaLV

    and lets not forget how obame , during the primary, said hillary’s only foriegn policy experience was serving tea? then he picks her for SOS which undermines what he said about her. well no one can say that about her now .if she had 100x more experience than him before, she has 1000x more now.

  • bamaLV

    i have been wondering the same thing about  where hillary actually stands. i just finished her book “living history” written in 2003.  she does call herself a “modern progressive ” but also did her college thesis on Saul Alinsky!  whats that about?

  • bamaLV

    as a former dem turned independent in 2009, i can only hope the republicans dont give us choices of hasbeens and already  ran and lost losers. no gingrich, no huckabee, no mccain, no palin .give us someone fresh and new with no baggage, no favors owed and and most important, someone who has experience (not necessarily in politics) .someone with real american values, and class. all of which the current squatters in the WH dont have.

  • Rosa

    I read somewhere that as a child he got hit in the head with a rock but it must have been a big one!

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  • Wisewoman

    Ferb,
    I agree with your comments 100%.  As a 65 yr old AA I was appalled at the race-baiting tactics of the Obama campaign and the antics of the DNC, eg., Donna Brazille, Howard Dean, etc.  I am an indepentden, Tea party, Sarah Palin supporter now.  Because of my age I don’t think the dems will have enough time to ever redeem themselves before I meet my maker.

  • oowawa

    LOL Wisewoman, I’m even older than you, and I fully intend to hang on until Thee One is out of office.  I was determined not to die while Bush was President, and I made it!  Now there’s something else to live for!

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    Wisewoman and oowawa–PLEASE hang out long enough to rid us of these bozos and then take some time for yourselves. I’m at my wit’s end over this crap that is being foisted on us. We do need all the help we can get. This is a call to arms and we need all the volunteers we can muster.

  • oowawa

    Okay Ferd, we’re with you–which way to the barricades?  Just point me in the right direction and give me a little push . . .

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    If I were king for a day, I’d send the lot of us to the couthern border and ensure that the border crossers understood our determination to keep what is our, ours. Beyond that I’m unsure.

  • Ferd Ritz Cracker and I Mean It Berfle

    If I were king for a day, I’d send the lot of us to the southern border and ensure that the potential border crossers understood our determination to keep what is ours, ours and them out. Beyond that I’m unsure, though I would call back our troops from Iraq.

  • Fred

    Ferd,

    I knew that already. The evidence seems to indicate that Nazi Germany initially viewed an all out conflict with the USA beginning around the year 1980. Or so said Hitler.

    But the Nazis still DECLARED war on the US. The Serbs never declared war on the US nor is there a shred of evidence to indicate that the Serbs were engaged in anything other than brutally settling old scores that go way back.

  • athan of philippines

    if America has female U.S president ,America becomes most competent nation about the world politics

  • Fred

    Well the Clinton Adminstration didn’t see a problem with the KLA dealing drugs to support a “noble” political operation and neither do you.

    So apparently you and Bill are just like Oliver North.

  • FranSC

    lorac, thanks so much for letting us know about Fox & Friends second segment on the Caucus Fraud.   After the first segment when Alyson announced they would followup with the DNC and let the viewers know their response, it occurred to me that the DNC is not going to respond to Fox or anyone about that.  Now that they have been courageous enough to brave those dangerous waters, I hope they won’t give up easily.

    One thing you said, though, that I’m not sure I agree on is your feeling that the May 29th 2008 RBC Meeting where they “stole” 4 delegates and gave them to 0bama, which represented 600,000 voters in Michigan.  Yes, that was unthinkable.  With the caucus fraud 0bama won every single one of the 14 caucus states even when he lost the primaries in the 4 states that held both primaries and caucuses.  Those caucus states were responsible for giving 0bama  207 delegates which only represented about 3,500 caucus goers. 

    I don’t see that the 4 delegates representing 600,000 people stolen from Hillary was any worse than the 207 delegates representing 3,500 people.  It was unprecedented as Harold Ickes told them that day.

  • BBF

    Many memebers of the GOP certainly “devoured” Sarah Palin…and are still doing it.  I don’t know what the problem is with this country.  When it comes to electing a woman as President….I am reminded of how the women in this counrtry (overwhelmingly White) fought for so many years for the right to vote…and what happened???  The right to vote was first given to Black males…and ALL women had to wait another 20 or so years before they were “given” the priviledge their mothers and sisters had fought so hard for.

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