Play the Salary Game!

Where does Obama get his info from?

Why does he thinks this?

it is also absurd because frankly it is not the governments job to tell company’s what to pay.
And also, the comment of education and training is out of context.
Plus, as noted McCain pays his women staffers more than men.
Also, that 77 cents is an average of all wages from all jobs. The equal pay line is a democratic rallying theme to trick women.

This is very stupid on Obama’s side. Mcain can just counter that what’s in theis article proving Hypocracy

McCain should put up a counter add immediately and not let barky get away with this!

Obama has definitely opened himself up for a giant counter-attack on this issue. McCain can effectively nitpick this one to death, nullifying what would normally be a policy advantage. Yet another issue turns into an another “ugly frog”.

the grid showing the payroll is partially blocked by the advertisements

it is also absurd because frankly it is not the governments job to tell company’s what to pay.

During the primaries, Obama made government regulation of CEO compensation of publicly traded companies a component of his platform.

This could be a devastating ad if McCain does not counter-attack ASAP.

I guess I have to be honest and ask why, if McCain actually walks the walk re fair pay of his own staffers, why in fact DID he oppose a Fair Pay Act?

Can anyone answer this question?

Off Topic: but if interested here’s the Palin/McCain Rally Live (as in right now)
http://dem4mccain.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccainpalin-rally-live-coverage.html

Not sure but I believe there was a lot of amendments and earmarks added to it that made it unacceptable.

He is a liar and his campiagn lies. The media won’t call him on it, so it doesn’t matter. We are all being fucked with by the media. The media had become nothing more than a propaganda mob for their own special interests.

He believes, I think, that federal involvement in trying to find equal labor attributes to entirely different jobs, not jobs with the same title or within the same organization, is fraught with impossibilities. For example, equating a donut fryer with a taxi cab driver, based on education, labor stress, might make sense on paper, but one job might be more in demand than the other with fluctuations…it’s kind of ridiculous.

There are laws currently that state that the same job title within the same organization cannot have gender discrepant pay.

This is idiotic and changes the subject. You have no idea who was available and who each choose to hire. In any case, what does this have to do with the Lilly Ledbetter Act? Why won’t McCain stand up to corporations for fair pay? Obama sticks to the issues and Mccain’s side makes personal attacks. I guess that is why Obama is pulling ahead in the polls.

From my understanding he didn’t actually vote on the bill. He was not in the Senate the day of the vote.

I’m calling it like I see it!

You’re a coo coo wacko!

There’s a rumor Obama paid his dog sitter higher salaries than the women in his office.

Stop the hate, coo coo!

Hey whacko, Mccain didn’t vote on the bill, he wasn’t in the Senate that day. Hahahaha, I guess Barky taught him that move.

So scram obot!

We need to send this to the media…Time is playing the race card for Obama while Rush is going after Obama…McCain did good today pointing out Obama ties to Fannie and Freddie with the people he hires but Time is saying McCain’s ad is racist to change the subject..

Obama Is Stoking Racial Antagonism
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178554189155003.html

McCain Plays the Race Card
http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/mccain_plays_the_race_card.html

yeah, keep telling yourself that. Obama ‘sticks’ to issues. thats hilarious. lol. Obama talks till it ain’t convenient anymore. If you trust Obama bout anything, you’re in for a rude disappointment.

I see that the Obama campign is making is big play for the vote of those “bitter aging Hillary supporters.” I know all I need to know about how Obama paid his female staff less, how he gave Hillary the finger, literally brushed her off, called professional newswomen sweeties and had “99 problems but the bitch aint one of them” at a rally to EVER vote for Obama.

P.S. I didn’t support Hillary, nor am I a “low information” voter.

Are these garbage adds being played in swing states? Or just on youtube to be picked up by MSM trolls?

Bambam is scary. This guy is a lying sack o’ crap that is trying to divide and conquer–scare women by some lies about equal pay for equal work. I can tell you, this ad was crafted to respond to former Hillary supporters by trying to say that mccain is anti-woman.

Ummm…not working, Obama!

These are important points. Canadian legislation re equal pay for work of equal value certainly created a lot of administrative and compliance complexities. However, it accomplished some good before being yanked by conservatives who took over.

The key point, however, is that BO himself does not practice equality, and that McC does. That is the point that ought to be hammered home in ads.

BTW, shitbama tried to do the same thing to hispanics with Limbaugh comments taken out of context.
Rush responds in the wsj:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178554189155003.html

same old story. Obama thinks women and hispanics are too stupid to use google and catch him in his lies. The “great uniter” my ass. Thank god for this website.

Is this the Lilly Ledbetter legislation? Perhaps I’m missing something but I thought that McCain was listed as “Not Voting” on the legislation (the question to invoke cloture to end debate and hold a vote–the cloture did not carry). Here is what I found: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR02831:@@@X
Can others fill me in if this is incorrect?

Statute of limitations issue with Ledbetter.

Thanks! Listening/watching now!

whacko: YOU don’t even know what your messiah stands for…because he’s both FOR everything and AGAINST everything all at the same time!!
Tell me one thing besides being corrupt that he’s been consistent on?

How about the troll pay scale? Obama’s gotta have some good numbers there. Let’s compare male and female troll wages:

Obama:
Male trolls: (number males)(hourly wage) = y
Female trolls: (number females)(hourly wage) = x
Total payroll = x+y
etc.

McCain:
Male trolls: (0)x (hourly wage) = 0
Female trolls: (0) x (hourly wage) = 0
Total payroll = $0.00
etc.

If Obama has even one paid female troll, he beats McCain! Because McCain has zero trolls.

Makes more sense on an Excel spreadsheet, but you get the idea. Eat sh!t and die, PUMAs. Obama beats McCain’s numbers if you take troll payroll into account.

Make sense to you? Bet an obot will pick this “logic” up and run with it.

McCain/Palin 2008

Excellent point.

Please hit back at Obama and all of his supporter’s on this age discrimination. Talk about insulting your community organizers and then Obama is insulting older people.

My mother lost her job due to age and feels that she is discriminated against about age during interviews. This hurts her when she sees it happening at the highest level of office.

She is so tired of hearing in the news that Obama is being discriminated against due to his race while Obama gets away with discriminating against McCain’s age by saying he’s too old and about to die and why should we elect him for the job of the Presidency? Do you know how this is affecting older citizens?

Last time I checked you can’t discriminated against race, sex or age etc….
Obama is discriminating against McCain and I hope that every older person gets out there and votes against Obama and his age discrimination.

Is your Head in the effing sand?

Obama tried to link limbaugh and mccain in his ad “dos caras”. Which was a total lie.

He said that mccain did not use a computer and was out of touch in another add. Blatent ageism. Mccain can’t type for long period of time due to his injuries.

“Stick to the issues”…Obama has no issues, no agenda, no track record to comment on. This guy is an empty suit.

Time Warner $338,527

Time warner is one of Obama’s biggest financial backers. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

The constant smearing of McCain and covering for Obama all makes sense now…..

Posted by ikez78 Author Profile Page | September 18, 2008 10:01 PM

This was an interesting comment on that silly Time whack job.

Yes, the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act is what people generally mean when they say McCain is “against equal pay for women”.

The Act has little to do with “fair pay for women”, it mostly clarifies the statute of limitations for backpay based on “discrimination”.

It is sort of like saying “Dont ask, dont tell” is pro-gay. It guess it is if you dont actually use your brain for thinking purposes.

Actually paying women as much as men for the same job does more than Ledbetter ever will.

I also read that there was a technical reason McCain did not support the equal pay bill. Anyone have info on that?

This is off topic but awesome…

Biden loses the official catholic vote.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2008/09/19/joe_biden_loses_barack_obama_the_catholic_vote

Archbishop Chaput of Denver had already announced Biden should not receive communion because of his pro-abortion views. Defiantly, Biden took communion in his home parish in Delaware in late August. On September 2 the Bishop of Scranton, Pennsylvania (a crucial swing state) banned him from communion in his diocese. That is effective excommunication. Then came the crucial provocation. On NBC’s Meet the Press programme on September 7 Biden grossly misrepresented the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion and audaciously cited St Thomas Aquinas in his own cause.

Guys I hope you don’t think I am a “concern troll,” but I am extremely worried with the recent econ crisis and the polls coming out today. McCain has to win at least MI or PA. I don’t know I just feel Repubs need to fire their missiles NOW. The idea of arrogant Obama as President frightens me so much. I can’t imagine the coverage of him if he wins – it will be four or eight years of hell. He has to be stopped now BEFORE he gets into power cause if he is such a thug now he will turn the American governmnt into a mafia state.

This shows start and end pay period for all. However, it does not show how long any of these people worked for the campaigns. Does that play a part in their salaries – raises etc. What about seniority? Perhaps Obama is underpaying, but the table does not address these issues. And the equal pay bill is a separate issue

Also the Ledbetter v. Goodyear court case that sparked this bill is very important! A woman who is told that if she discusses salary will be fired is supposed to recognize that she is being paid at a rate lower than her male counterpart within 90 days of the ORIGINAL raise or her claim is no longer valid. That goes against all prior court rulings, because the SCOTUS is backing the corporate interests. An individual used to be able to make a claim after every paycheck, because each check was a new act of discrimination.

No one explained why McCain is against the Lilly Ledbetter Act. That was the point of his ad. Do you agree with McCain on this issue.

How is that the major point? I am more interested in the law than in the hiring practices of one person.

Hey Coo coo,

Please ask BO why you don’t make as much money as your more attractive counterparts! He’s discriminating against you — or are you to wacko to notice it?

Stop the hate, coo coo!

In rejecting Ledbetter’s appeal in Ledbetter v Goodyear, the Supreme Court said that “she could have, and should have, sued” when the pay decisions were made, instead of waiting beyond the 180-day statutory charging period.

Not 90 days. Not forever. 6 months.

Here is the decision:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=ledbetter&url=/supct/html/05-1074.ZS.html

The “Ledbetter Fair Pay Act” being batted around by congress seeks to increase the 6 months.

Here is the Act as it stood prior to rejection:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.02831:

It doesn’t say a thing about paying women less.

The only “low information” voters are the ones who vote for Obama. The voters who go and find out about the issues (rather than being spoon-fed toxic nonsense) are the ones who will vote for anybody other than Obama.

He never practices what he preaches, but is great in fingerpointing… This is not leadership, this is childish.

Does he really think that people don’t check out what he says and does? The more outrageous the lie, the easier to get away with it?

Thank you for the info. There is no doubt I didn’t make a mistake of choosing him to be the president. Action speaks louder than words.

[...] the women to ‘get over it’ can convince me he gives a rosy red damn about my rights. No one who pays the women on his staff less than the men can convince me he gives a damn about equal pay and opportunity for women. And no man who behaves [...]

If I remember correctly, there was a provision which allowed retroactive lawsuits.

Well I watched the news and read the newspapers at the time; it was because it opened the door to retroactive lawsuits.

The first line of the ad got to me:
“Today many women work to help support their families.”
Today MOST women have to work because one salary is not enough to support a family. It’s not a choice anymore.
Single women with children constitute over 75% of the poorest families in the country.

Without clarifying the statute of limitations, the act has no teeth. This allows companies to get away with paying men more for the same job. McCain has a chance to choose fair pay over corporate interests and he chose corporate interests. How is the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act similar to “Don’t Ask, don’t tell?”

She didn’t know about being paid less until after the 180 days of the first act of discrimination. As I understand it, the Court’s interpretation was not what Congress intended. In any case, the way the Court interpreted the statute makes it impossible to sue for discrimination. Employers have very little to fear and I more likely to discriminate the way the Court interpreted the law. What is the point of having a statute barring discrimination if there are no consequences for violating the law.

truth is, democrats are nothing but talk. it’s like bill clinton said, it’s all about delivering, and obama not going to deliver squat, except to Chicagify the rest of the country. no thanks.

Sometimes these acts to provide “fair play” are too full of philosophical problems. What is fair? What is equal? There can be too many variables to consider: we have men vs. women, but we also have level of training and job content to compare. For instance, “Staff Assistant” is a popular title, but are all these staff assistants equal in workload and responsibility? Who gets to snoop in the workplace to make sure things are equal? What’s to prevent someone gaming the system by giving some favored person a nicer title so their higher salary is justified? It’s a terrible can of worms.