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New Pentagon Papers? NOT!!

Some have suggested that the leak of tactical information about the war in Afghanistan represents a 21st Century version of the Pentagon Papers. Horseshit! Richard Tofel provides an excellent analysis:

What’s crucially different from the Pentagon Papers

In terms of important disclosures, it’s not even close, with the historical importance of today’s documents likely to be relatively minor, and that of the Pentagon Papers enormous. The most significant revelations today include the Taliban’s limited use of heat-seeking missiles (which had been previously reported, though little-noticed), and the Pakistani intelligence service’s constant double-dealing and occasional cooperation with the Taliban (long the subject of news stories, and even of some official complaints).

In 1971, in contrast, the Pentagon Papers revealed a host of important discrepancies between the public posture of the U.S. government with respect to Vietnam and the truth — from the Truman administration, through the times of Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson.

These included Johnson’s dissembling during the 1964 presidential campaign and in the run-up to the key decision in 1965 to send large numbers of combat troops, as well as confirmation of U.S. involvement in the 1963 coup against South Vietnamese premier Ngo Dinh Diem. And perhaps most famously, was the evidence that the administration had decided to escalate the war before the 1964 Tonkin Gulf Resolution gave it the authority to do so.

There are many reasons for the differences between these two troves of documents, but perhaps the most important is that today’s documents provide a “ground-level” view of the war, while the Pentagon Papers offered a classic “top-down” perspective. Wars are fought on the ground, and the perspective such a view provides can be invaluable. But many of a war’s key secrets, especially in political terms, are generated at the top.

You can read the entire article here.

There are some additional points to consider. When the Vietnam war was ramping up under President Johnson there was a big split between the CIA analysts and the Pentagon. The CIA analysts believed that the number of North Vietnamese fighters was far larger than the military claimed. The main CIA analyst, Sam Adams, with the support of his boss, George Allen (not the football coach) faced enormous pressure to provide analysis that supported the military claims.

Adams was in the CIA from 1963 until 1973, but grew frustrated with the perversion of intelligence to meet political objectives. He claimed U.S. Army General William C. Westmoreland had conspired to minimize Vietnamese enemy troop strength in 1967. In 1982 Adams provided critical evidence to CBS News reporters who made the documentary “The Uncounted Enemy: A Vietnam Deception”. General Westmoreland subsequently sued both Adams and CBS News for libel, but the case was settled privately.

He testified for the defense in the espionage trial of Daniel Ellsberg and Anthony J. Russo, accused in connection with the illegal transmission of the Pentagon papers, a secret Government-sponsored history of the Vietnam War. Citing Government misconduct, a Federal judge dismissed all charges against the two. Mr. Adams told the court in that trial that he believed there had been political pressures in the military to depict the North Vietnamese and Vietcong in 1967 as weaker than they actually were. After visiting South Vietnam four times between 1966 and 1967, Mr. Adams concluded that senior military intelligence officers were underestimating the strength of the enemy, perhaps by half. He argued for a higher troop count, but late in 1967 the C.I.A. reached an agreement with the military on lower figures. Adams responded with an internal memorandum calling the agreement a monument of deceit. In January 1968, after the Tet offensive in Vietnam, the CIA adopted an enemy count along the lines he had recommended. By then, he had left the Vietnamese affairs staff in protest, and was concentrating on Cambodia.

In 1969 Mr. Adams removed CIA documents to argue his case and buried them in the woods near his 250-acre (1.0 km2) farm in Virginia. After his resignation from the agency in 1973, he sought the support of other intelligence officials to prove that there was a Saigon cover-up. From the massive chronologies Mr. Adams compiled, he detailed his allegations in a Harper’s Magazine article in 1975. He also testified before the House Select Committee on Intelligence, which reached conclusions similar to his own. The Sam Adams Award for integrity in intelligence is named after Adams.

I was trained as an analyst by George Allen. George told our “New Analyst” course about the enormous pressure he received from the White House to be a “team player.” George received phone calls from Administration officials, such as McGeorge Bundy, pressuring him to change the CIA analysis. We now know that the analysis being produced by Sam Adams was on target. George told us that his major regret was that he did not push back harder against the political pressure coming from the White House. He had two kids in college and was afraid he would lose his job if he resisted the pressure.

Sam Adams, however, did not have that worry. He was wealthy. He had family money. He could lose his job and still survive. He put it all on the line in insisting on reporting facts.

There is no major dispute in the analytical community on the war in Afghanistan. We do not face a massive Army akin to the North Vietnamese. We don’t face a monolithic threat, as we did in Vietnam. The latest data dump of leaked documents is extremely misleading. It shows a picture of the war that pre-dates the shift in strategy and commitment of resources that took place in the summer of 2008. Folks need to calm down and recognize that the Obama Administration, despite its waffling, is pursuing a strategy that will pay positive dividends. We need to be patient.

  • susiepuma-crazy cracker

    I hated the Vietnam conflict (was never declared a war by congress) & I hope all those bastards in washington who lied & schemed all die in hell – my brother was in nam & two brothers-in-law plus plenty of friends – my brother refuses to talk about it even today – I don’t want this mess in Afghanistan to turn into the same kind of thing – especially if it turns out like nam – died in vain………………..

    Who is the creep from WikiLeaks anyway?  Saw him on the tube & he looks like a girl (wimpy albino looking) – send the little bastard over to Afghanistan & embed him with the troops in Kandahar – see how long he lasts – these little creeps who protest ‘the wars’ have always bugged the hell out of me – not much different I’m thinking than the critters in Washington who have never served in the military either but have no qualms about sending our young men & women into service & I’m particularly talking about the fraud – what a waste of humanity…………………………..

    Have tried to listen to both sides of this argument today & neither side convinced me of their particular truth – I will be patient but it will be tough because I have never been the really patient type

  • Bonnie Jean Burris

    Just one question Mr. Johnson, if you don’t mind? How did an Australian blogger gain access to classified documents?

  • Olivia1998

    Good question.  How did the Australian get the docunments?  I seen the guy from Wikileaks on Andreson Cooper last night.  He looks like if went in the sun he would melt.  Very odd follow.

  • MrMike

    Simple, people with acess to the documents in the military or government gave them to Wikileaks.

  • Docelder

    Yep, activists. Sound like anybody we know? President? Supreme Court nominees? Czars? Senators? I know none of these were the leakers… of course not. Just that this adminisration surrounds itself with people who are activists. We have activism up to our eyeballs now. Why would this not be allowed to happen?

  • Nice Try

    Andrew Sullivan also has a good take, although he is less convinced this war is “winnable”.

    The Unwinnable War II: Didn’t We Know All This Already?

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/07/the-unwinnable-war-i.html

    The NYT also has an editorial today that is much closer to your view Larry.

    Getting Lost in the Fog of War

    “Yet most of the major revelations that have been trumpeted by WikiLeaks’s founder, Julian Assange, are not revelations at all — they are merely additional examples of what we already knew.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/opinion/27exum.html?_r=1

    My view is that anything that keeps us debating this war and what exactly our national interest is here is positive. Anything that keeps the public involved is positive, especially after all these many years. These on the ground battlefield reports give us a much clearer picture of the on the ground conditions and realities. At least in Vietnam this stuff was reported on TV every day. In Afghanistan there has been very little real press coverage. Hard to know at times what was actually going on over there.

  • Tess

    The NYT vetted this story with the White House before publication.
    Catch on, folks: it’s the usual smoke and mirrors with this transparent administration.

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    This is nothing more than the press trying to create news from gibberish and jurno’s trying to cheat their way to the top and become the next Woodward & Bernstein or in this case, Elsberg, Sheehan and Russo….

    It is sad that all of this crap is because many and I will say close to a majority in our society hold nothing sacred anymore including classified information nor follow any standards and practices in our daily lives. It does not matter if its leaking military secrets or office and/or next door neighbor gossip. It’s all about causing damage, politics, personal agendas and self fame.

    This crap has become very prevalent in our society even more so today. It does not matter if its a military member leaking secrets or someone in the E Ring, Congress or the WH who all do it regularly these days for what ever personal reasons and agendas. The fact is it has to stop. Someone needs to be charged, tried and if found guilt sent to jail. This is no better than spying and it is done for one reason and one reason only.

    To politically damage the United States, it’s citizens, it’s foreign policy and with wickedness and a warped glow of achievement.

  • Sassy

    Initially advisors were sent into Vietnam, and then successive administrations became ensnared.
    I have no patience with those who call the plays from the sidelines, and then blame the quarterback and team.
    Following 9/11, in what was supposed to be a vote of conscience, majorities in the House and Senate approved President Bush’s resolution.
    Personally, I do not think the current wars are driven by revenge. I choose to believe that Americans abroad and stateside are sacrificing to prevent an encore performance by highly motivated extremists.
    Ordinary people are punching time-cards at hazardous jobs to supply military needs. It is reported now that 53% say the wars are not worth the costs. As a humble member of the minority, I fully support our forces if they remain in theater or if they return home tomorrow. They have excelled in their endeavors…have we?

  • marie

    sherrod’s husband…. of course CNN won’t show this bit
    “Charles Sherrod on Video: “We Must Stop The White Man And His Uncle Toms From Stealing Our Elections””
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUsY4mMefI
    Charles Sherrod
    Man is this true

  • yttik

    I know! This isn’t a “leak,” it’s a deliberate document dump.

  • surfered

    In the fall of 1967, Defense Secretary, Robert MacNamara, had come to the belief the Vietnam War could not be won.  Having lost the confidence of President Johnson, he resigned effective March 1, 1968, which was before Tet.

    The new Secretary of Defense, Clark Clifford, convened a meeting of the “Wise Men”, twelve former soliders and statesmen including Gen. Omar Bradley and Dean Atchison.  The Pentagon presented its best assessment at that time, which was the war could not be won.  The “Wise Men,” in an eight to four vote, recommended to President Johnson that the U. S. withdraw from Vietnam.

    One week later, President Johnson went on national TV and announced he would not seek the nomination of his party for a second term.  He was going home to Texas; however, 19-year-old boys would continue going to Vietnam.  In fact, troop strenth peaked in 1969 at 500,000.

    Richard Nixon ran on a platform of a “secret plan” to win the war.  His plan was bombing to reach a settlement.  When that failed he came up with “peace with honor” and Vietnamization, turning over the war to the So. Vietnamese.  Saigon would fall in 1975.

    58,000 servicemen and women would die in that war and 300,000 would be wounded.  One-half of those casualties came after the Wise Men recommended withdrawal.

    Afghanistan is a fool’s errand.  We are creating more enemies than we are killing.  Leon Panattea says they’re are 50 to a 100 Al Qaeda in the country and the Taliban are not Al Qaeda.  And the “failed nation” defense could also be applied to Somalia and Yemen.

    Osama bin Laden said he could bleed us dry in a war in the Middle East. It cost him nothing to send in a jihadist.  It costs us trillions in defense and a leviathan of intelligence by contractors which feeds the military industrial complex. The “War on Terror” is big business.

    Bush accelerated the bleeding by the unnecessary invasion of Iraq.  It seems our enemies have an evil mastermind and we got the village idiot.

  • Peggy Sue

    The New Yorker ran a fascinating profile of Julian Assange, the mastermind of wikileaks, in early June.  Link here.  The piece provides background information on who Assange is, where he came from and what his mindset/motives are. It gives the story a different complexion, whether you agree with Assange’s philosophy or not.

    I agree with Larry that this reveal [from what I've read thus far] is not a repeat of the Pentagon Papers.  On the other hand, Afghanistan has been off the radar, underreported from the start and I see no reason why we, the public, shouldn’t be questioning the wisdom of the mission, the blood and money spilled and what the end point will be.  In fact, I think it’s our civic responsibility to do just that.  

    We may not agree with the way Julian Assange is going about releasing this material, but the fact we’re talking about the war is a plus in my mind.  

  • Noogan

    What?! Really, this is a bewildering position to take, Jack Sparrow. 

    Are you making the argument that to leak classified information is tantamount to treason? 

    Are you suggesting that leaking information to the press–relevant or irrelevant; in this case, perhaps irrelevant–is to “politically damage the United states, it’s citizens, it’s foreign policy…..”?

    Do you really and truly believe that government is good, and that to leak information which may question that assertion, is treason against the “good” government?

    I personally would take issue with such a world view, Jack Sparrow. 

    This leaked information may well be irrelevant–that is LJ’s argument and I have no knowledge to dispute it at present; but whether or not that is the case, I hold to the ideal of informing the public, as did Thomas Jefferson. Keeping secrets is not a good path to follow, if one reveres a democratic republic, is it? And, governments–all governments–tell lies to hide their culpability and corruption. All governments–no matter their party or philosophy–end up loving power more than truth. Governments are never to be trusted in any thing; that is the foundational belief of this nation, as asserted in both our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. 

    Can you possibly disagree? If you do, I would submit to you that YOU–not those who act on the side of truth and informing the public, whether or not that information is relevant–commit to the more treasonous path.

  • Texas Playwright

    I’m with you on anything that inspires the Amercian people to talk about this war can only be good, Nice Try.  I asked Larry before and will ask again what many of my friends won’t ask for seeming to appear ignorant/stupid–Why are we Americans in Afghanistan? 

    Truly, I’d like to quote credible sources like Larry on this.

  • Justine

    As has been said elsewhere, these wikileak documents, the Sherrod fiasco ala Breitbart video, etc. make me wonder if this is just another WH-initiated action so that the WH can ultimately take control of the Internet.
    .

  • Noogan
  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Andrew Sullivan..  Now there’s a reputable source.

    LOL!

    How come he hasn’t been deported?

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree.  If it takes Julian Assange and his info dumping to get the American public to debate and question the Afghan war then so be it.  The war has been off the radar and grossly underreported.  We should be asking questions, again and again and again.

    I listened to Hillary Clinton discuss the war with Greta Van S. last week.  Clinton was clear and direct, spoke about our moral obligation to the Afghani population and the strategic importance of the area. But still I’m left to wonder, what will we accomplish by next July when the Administration has promised troop withdrawal?  Or is that a big lie, too?  And how does anyone reasonably expect to turn a tribal society into a stable nation-state without years and years of military and financial support?  It just doesn’t compute for me. I understand McChyrstal himself suggested it would take 10 years minimum.

    So yes, discussion and debate are important.  We need more of it, not less.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Yeah, this is building some liberal case as a means to recapture Obama some credibility.  Watch it unfold.  This is one of his last promises to the hard left.  Getting out of Afghanistan would be a crowd pleaser for the that group.  All 22% of liberals, really.  He’s playing to his last diehard minions.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    And the Kenyan village idiot is playing the same game.  Watch it unfold.

  • Docelder

    Bush seemed to have the plan to contain them hiding in caves in Afghanistan. Barky and his democrat posse… i.e. Kerry et al wanted us to focus in the real war in Afghanistan… the one we “neglected” for most of the Bush years. Now we are in pre-Vietnam stages there thanks to democrat wisdom. There isn’t a winning plan possible if reforming Afghanistan is the end goal. Those backward assed nomadic tent dwellers have been fighting each other for centuries long before we or the Russians got involved with them. But some of our corporations might make some good money mining minerals over there. It’s more about those corporate interests than anything else.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Assange:  Hacker, idol of Daniel Ellsberg, UK Guardian poses the Soros connection earlier this month, and he lived in Kenya for awhile…

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Oh here’s a tasty one on Assange: Pleaded guilty to 24 charges of hacking.

  • Sassy

    I also believe this is straight from the liberal playbook!
    Like generations before us, my family believes this country is worth preserving.
    If necessary, we will go out fighting, and not on our knees before beheading savages!

  • sowsear

    What we need now are some of the Sam Adams types….

  • Sassy

    Two House democrats were on Matthew’s program yesterday. Their plan?
    If Al Queda comes back into Afghanistan, they will send troops back there.
    Yep, the F-Troop rides again!

  • Peggy Sue

    “But some of our corporations might make some good money mining minerals over there. It’s more about those corporate interests than anything else.”

    And that is what makes me feel so queasy.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    So Sherrod and wife are peddlers of the black victim meme.  They are the enemy of blacks. It’s people like them and Sharpton, Wright, and Jackson that keep blacks the victims of racist thinking.

  • Noogan

    The Defense Department cannot account for nearly all of
    Iraq’s oil revenue from 2004 to 2007 – $8.7 billion out of $9.1 billion.
    For $2.6 billion of the missing money, there is no record at all. The
    rest was not deposited in special accounts, as the Treasury Department
    requires, making it near-impossible to trace.
     The news isn’t likely to
    sit well with Iraqis, who are still angry over the $8.8 billion in oil
    revenues the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority spent in 2003 and
    2004.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-funds-20100727,0,3856364.story?om_rid=DkZNik&om_mid=_BMTtGLB8QIMihk&

  • oowawa

    Hmmmm–when Wikileaks starts posting O’s birth certificate, school records, and other documents, I’ll feel better about his operation . . . Oh, and he can throw in all that Roswell stuff while he’s at it . . .

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Remove the Dish Networks.  Cancel their services that we own. Pull out. 

    What’s left after that?  Nothing.

    Watch with Drones.  Fire on them with Drones.

    This should keep the illegal aliens on the Mexican side of the Border!  Oh, I meant Afghanistan.

    Now that there are trillions in unmined metals, we ain’t leaving for nothing.  Just move the troops to the mines.

    >:o

  • Daisy Mae Wye Cwisp Cwacker

    YES.  I want to see those certificates, records, papers, pics, friends, well something would be nice.  I want to see all the girlfriends’ pics  I just read about in this article, 2009, on Reggie Love:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127223/Meet-Obamas-bodyman-The-White-House-Chief-Stuff-caters-Presidents-whim.html#

  • Docelder

    Well, that’s it basically. If she made it on her own through hard work then she would be the “Uncle Tom” type her husband apparently despises. This is really self deprecating behavior coming from the black community. If all there is in life… is the little bit the government hands out… wow, talk about modern slavery.

  • Olivia1998

    Gee I wonder………or the message at least.  I think Breitbart should come forward on who is his source was.  This is not a normal he said she said situation.

  • Nice Try

    Buzz,

    Why don’t you read his piece and open your mind? He makes some good points.

    Sullivan has been living in the U.S. since 1984 and has wanted to become a U.S. citizen for many years, but has been barred from becoming a U.S. citizen because he is HIV positive. So your deporting comment is a bit sic…

  • Olivia1998

    Isn’t that amount of money missing astounding?    This started with Bush.  I think the difference is the Republicans have learned a lesson at least most and we can those ones out in Nov.  I don’t think the Democrats have and never will.  It’s in there mandate, there blood, it’s in there genies

  • Retired

    I deplore the leaking of classified information by twerps who think that they have some divine insight denied to others.  That having been said, perhaps one unintended upside result of this incident is that it reveals to the public just what the “fog of war” looks like to a tactical military intelligence analyst or operations staffer.  From these thousands of pieces of information, they must create for the commander an accurate, coherent summary both of what the enemy is doing as well as the status of friendly forces.  If they get it wrong, their fellow soldiers get killed. 

  • oowawa

    Well, Daisy Mae, says in that article:
    “The President was renowned in his youth for his beautiful girlfriends . . . ”

    Must be some pictures out there . . . come on, beautiful girlfriends, where are you now?  In my experience, beautiful girls tend to wind up in pictures . . .

  • helenk

    fox news breaking news
    new leak in the Gulf. I think a work boat ran into a well. coast guard on scene

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Docelder

    I don’t know what that says about his judgment abilities. He could have had just about anybody for VP and he took Biden. Now we fine out some good looking women had eyes for him as well? 8-)

  • oowawa

    Oooops . . .

  • arabella trefoil

    Well, Obama has at least one beautiful friend …

  • oowawa

    Last night Larry King had a panel discussing these issues.  The panel included Daniel Ellsberg, Wesley Clark, Anthony Shaffer, and, ta-dum, fresh from his stint as the betrayer of General Stanley McChrystal, looking like a deer caught in the headlights of his sudden fame, a boyish Michael Hastings.  Here’s a segment:

  • ~~Justme~~

    LOL they may have been beautiful but now they are running for the hills as fast as they can!

  • arabella trefoil

    Here is an interesting article about Obama’s girlfriends prior to his marriage to Michelle. I think the writer of the article is 100% spot on with respect to Ayers and his contribution to the Obama myth.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/barack_obamas_missing_girlfrie.html

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    It’s called FREEDOM!  I have read Andrew Sullivan many, many times, watched him on Bill Mahar, and given him the benefit of the doubt a few times.  His opinions and columns no longer appeal to me as a source of information.

    His penchant for advertising for unprotected sex – barebacking – in 2001 and then admitting to it, while knowing he is HIV positive, gave a snapshot into a person willing to ignore facts for pleasure and endanger others.  That’s sick, not my comment.

  • sowsear

    Yeah, sure!

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Schaffer has it right:  Alot of drama but not much changes because of the leak.  Pfc? Bradley Manning in prison for most of his life…Assange messing for messing’s sake with national classified information.

    It’s gives liberals a momentary high and then drops off the radar screen.  Wouldn’t be a bit surprised that it was done with WH knowledge due to Barky’s free-falling poll numbers.

  • arabella trefoil

    Interesting observation, Docelder. Two months ago, one of my AA neighbors predicted the “Uncle Tomming” of Barack Obama. I didn’t ask her what she meant. I don’t talk politics with her.

    But I sure do listen to what she has to say. She is not happy with Obama, that much I do know.

  • oowawa

    Well, you’re forgetting, Buzz, that Andrew Sullivan was one of the few willing to reveal that Sarah Palin WAS IN FACT NOT TRIG’S MOTHER!!!  AND THE BABY WAS IN FACT BRISTOL’S!!! 

    What a pig.

  • arabella trefoil

    Oh, please. That’s like me standing on my front porch and wagging my finger at the kids who smashed my halloween pumpkin.

    “Now kids, if you come back here again and smash my pumpkin I will call your parents. I really mean it this time.”

  • sowsear

    Meanwhile MO’s off to Spain and BO says the government is tightening its belt…oh yes. we can.

  • Sassy

    Right oowawa! I had not forgotten, and I sent Larry’s post about that subject to several on my e-mail list, although Larry’s extensive vocabulary left my eyes and ears burning!

  • Sassy

    As Americans, we could pay more attention to “Uncle Sam” than to “Uncle Tom”. We might all benefit, and it sure as hell couldn’t hurt!

  • arabella trefoil

    You said it, buzz. When it comes to Andrew “bare back” Sullivan I’m not opening anything.

    http://www.villagevoice.com/2001-06-19/news/the-real-andrew-sullivan-scandal/

    ‘Using the screen name RawMuscleGlutes, Sullivan posted on a site for bare backers (the heroic term for gay men who have sex without condoms). He was seeking partners for unsafe anal and oral intercourse. Sullivan revealed that he was HIV-positive and stated his preference for men who are “poz,” but he also indicated an interest in “bi scenes,” groups, parties, orgies, and “gang bangs.” This hardly fit the gay ideal Sullivan had created in his book Virtually Normal. In fact, RawMuscleGlutes is just the sort of “pathological” creature who raises Sullivan’s wrath. Hypocrisy has always been a rationale for outing, and it’s the justification for a group of gay journalists who teamed up with the tabs to expose him.’

    Read the entire article if you want to know more about the kind of man Andrew Sullivan is. He is dishonest and untrustworthy.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    So True.  Andrew’s little foray into, pardon the word usage here, queer thinking and mysogyny was another snapshot into a mind that doesn’t quite connect the dots.  That line of deranged Palin hate really won the hearts of many.  (snark)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    “Sick” is being polite really! UGH

  • Fred

    Can we get this Wikileaks guy banned from entering the USA?

    That would make sense to me.

  • oowawa

    “RawMuscleGlutes”

    ROTFLMAO!!! 

  • ~~Justme~~

    Well, ALL that changed the mood of the day pretty quick! Bravo Buzz!!!!

    Music?

  • Bonnie Jean Burris

    The leaks began in 2004.

  • ~~Justme~~

    WOW!
    Barney Frank Flips Out Over a Dollar (demands his senior discount)
    Good grief. If this clown is going to whine and moan over a dollar discount for senior citizens, maybe he should just do like other seniors and retire.

    Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank caused a scene when he demanded a $1 senior discount on his ferry fare to Fire Island’s popular gay haunt, The Pines, last Friday. Frank was turned down by ticket clerks at the dock in Sayville because he didn’t have the required Suffolk County Senior Citizens ID. A witness reports, “Frank made such a drama over the senior rate that I contemplated offering him the dollar to cool down the situation.”

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    The more people like Sullivan, Ayers, Van Jones, and any others that promote severely aberrant behavior as good or normal are exposed the better.

    How about Obama’s education czar who’s promoted teaching five year old about gay sex… Or Ayers saying that he did not destroy enough property, federal, state, and private, or his delusional wife claiming at least they didn’t kill anyone which is a lie.

    The wikileak Afghanistan papers are nothing compared to destruction coming from the Obama administration and pals in all facets of life.

    I don’t expect anyone who didn’t live through the ’60s and ’70s to understand the bottom line danger these people put the country in today. But I do rail, against those that would believe their lies and obfuscation as normal or good or bill it as progress.

    I Can See Clearly Now is one of my favorites. :)

  • Sassy

    Love it JustMe! Original by Johnny Nash in the 1970′s I believe!

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Note to my rant:  I spent 25 years working with people with mental issues.  By far, the worst were the ones who had criminal tendencies. Sullivan’s behavior of advertising for unprotected sex while knowing he is HIV+ is the mindset of one with nefarious tendencies.  In other words, those that would seek pleasure for themselves at the expense of someone else’s wellbeing or life, is only shades or degrees different than a Ted Bundy.  IMHO

  • ~~Justme~~

    Well it was between these 2 and that one above WON ;)
    Here is the other…..

  • Daisy Mae Wye Cwisp Cwacker

    Thank you, Arabella for the link. “Dreams,” indeed, green eyes, sigh, panting, twas a dark and gloomy nigh.  Oh, wait, that’s a romance novel.  I’m so confused.  Is that the prince in the pic above.  No, wait, it’s Rahm.  I still don’t have any pictures of the girlfriends.  

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Et Tu, Bawney?

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Okay, Head Dude here just said I sounded like Beck.  I don’t know if it’s a compliment or not… *DONT_KNOW*

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    Indeed.  Judgement? Past “beautiful girlfriends”.  My goddess, how did he end up with MO?  Or as my hubby now likes to refer Barry’s other half, Mich. :)

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    seriously.  How was he known for “beautiful girlfriends”?  No pictures of such, only with men, close men, gay men, until after his college days at Occidental and Columbia where he rebirthed hiimself, aligned with his socialst pals in Chicago…..where his socialist friends introduce him to Mich.  Oh so curious, isn’t it?

  • Mr. Sourdough Natural

    “We have met the enemy, and he is Us.” – Pogo

    Has anyone figured out yet WHY The Plantation (Sharpton & Jackson, proprietors) is so attractive to African-Americans?

  • Mr. Sourdough Natural

    Best post of the Week!

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Noogan

    “What?! Really, this is a bewildering position to take, Jack Sparrow.”

    Not at all Noogan… While I believe in transparency I also believe that the public’s right to know on matter of intelligence should be limited and confined to issues of fact that will not damage intelligence methods and or assests.Yes it is treason to subvert a system that in this case is not shedding any light on illegal activities or violating the US Constitution. Otherwise I am all for whistle blowing.

    Let me also add that this is not only LJ’s opinion but many in the community.

    Truth? I am all for. But regarding these documents who is to decide what truth is? Who in the public has the understanding, the worldly knowledge of the intelligence community to interpret raw intelligence or matters of professional opinion regarding intelligence gathered in the field or else where??

    The public has the right to know “some” things regarding the intelligence collection and details but not all things. Especially when it comes to “raw Intelligence”. If this was all open to the public then intelligence would not be secret…

    On the other hand let me take a quote between Agent Kay and then to be Agent J “Edwards” in Men In Black….

    Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
    Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you’ll know tomorrow.

    Well Noogan “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it”

    Could you imagine what this Country would be like if the “public” had access to actual raw unsupported intelligence on a daily basis? Besides let’s not mention the fact that other countries spy agencies should not know what we know…..Even if its raw intelligence..

    Not even Thomas Jefferson would stoop this low…..

    Yes I agree if one blows a whistle  because of someone or agency who violated law.. Then spill the intelligence…Otherwise its not treason by legal definition but its is a crime that should be punished by a nice long jail term….