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Obama’s Iraq Double Talk-Gate Response

By NancyA on September 17, 2008 at 10:45 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Iraq, National Defense, National Security

images.jpgAgence France Presse, released Obama’s statement on the Iraq Double Talk-gate not more than 14 hours ago. I am sad to say it took the AFP to release this statement. The media here in the US seem to be “missing in action”.

There are a couple of very troubling things about Obama’s response and meeting. There was a witness to the meeting with the Foreign Minister and Obama. Can anyone identify the witness to Obama’s comments and meeting? Beyond that, I am unsure if Obama is calling the newspaper writer a liar or if Obama is calling Foreign Minister Zebari a prevaricator when his campaign said:

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“Taheri’s article bore ‘as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.’”

In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

But once again the Obama campaign thinks they have “plausible” deniability. Or?

According to Ed Morrisey of Hot Air in post dated today. Did Obama just confirm Taheri? Ed quoted from Glenn Reynolds,

He (Glenn Reynolds) doesn’t see any daylight between them. Yesterday, Taheri accused Obama of attempting to derail a status-of-forces agreement between the US and Iraq by telling the Iraqis to wait until after the American elections and stop negotiating with the Bush administration. Obama responded by essentially confirming Taheri’s account:

According to Ed, Obama did try to interfere with diplomatic negotiations. Obama may have done a bit more than that, he may have violated protocol rules set forth in the following document, Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 18 April 1961. Entered into force on 24 April 1964. See Article 41 for more information.

More from Ed:

Which is exactly what Taheri wrote. Barack Obama went to Iraq and interfered with the diplomatic efforts of the elected United States government, in a war zone no less, by telling the Iraqis to stop negotiating with the President.

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi also said this:

“Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations, nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades.”

“These outright distortions will not changes the facts — Senator Obama is the only candidate who will safely and responsibly end the war in Iraq and refocus our attention on the real threat: a resurgent Al-Qaeda and Taliban along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.”

Ed really exposed his outrage on this subject, a rage that all American citizens should be feeling at this time. I have Ed’s statement on that:

It wasn’t enough for Obama to fail at forcing the nation into a defeat in Iraq when he opposed the surge. Now he has interfered with our efforts to stabilize Iraq and provide for its security after the surge succeeded in keeping Iraq from falling into a failed state. And when he got caught working for failure and defeat, he tried making it into a smear against John McCain.

Ed we feel your rage over here at NoQuarter. I hope you and all other citizens of this country pay attention to the following statement. A former Deputy U.S. Attorney General, who will remain anonymous, relayed through Eastan McNeal yesterday and shared in a conversation this morning:

I saw the underlying piece by Amir Taheri in the New York Post today and believe him to be reliable.

There is a marginal difference between asking the Iraqi foreign minister “why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington” and asking him TO delay such an agreement, but that goes more to the Logan Act formalities than to the political significance of the interaction between Senator Obama and the Iraqi foreign minister.

Based on the reported information, Senator Obama was skirting closer to a violation of the Logan Act than to conduct conforming to the Constitutional definition of treason.

But whether or not Senator Obama’s conduct was unlawful, it was outrageous.

  • Lindsy

    Our media is ignoring it because they are focusing on linking McCain to the Wall Street mess today. I’m starting to get concerned that even when the GOP is ready to release their ammo against Obama the mainstream media will never report it.

    They are determined to win this election for Obama.

    • HARP

      Nail him in the debate with it.

    • http://johnmccain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

      The media can’t stop the campaign ads from running. They can’t stop the grassroots effort on the ground either.

      • James

        Actually they can stop campaign ads from running – have you forgotten so quickly?

    • SFhillary

      Yeah, everyone’s against Obama, that’s it. The collapse of McCain’s lead doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that neither he nor Palin is capable of opening their mouths without either blatantly lying or something something so stupid that it leaves people gasping. Here’s the latest, PUMAs:

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/217744.php

      Your hero is so imbecilic and probably half-senile that when asked about the Prime Minister of Spain by name, he didn’t even know who the guy was. A major NATO member, and Mr. Foreign Policy, Mr. War on Terror, couldn’t even identify the man.

      I don’t know who is more pathetic: McCain himself, or any clown who actually thinks he can win.

      • Pink Panther

        The polls showing Obama in the lead polled many more Democrats than Republicans or Independents?

        Look at how the media is now manipulating the polls to make it appear Obama is back on top. The methodology has changed.

        Like the Obama trolls, the MSM polls only provide propaganda. Don’t believe anything they say or write.

        • SFhillary

          These polls are weighting results based on the percentages of people who identify with each party. These days the Democrats have a significant advantage in that department, probably around 10%. I haven’t checked recently, but I’d guess the polls weight around that sort of spread, in which case they’re likely accurate. Or are you suggesting that they weren’t weighting that way a week ago, when all the same polls gave McCain the lead while he was enjoying his convention bubble, and Americans hadn’t yet figured out that Sarah Palin was a clueless idiot? You’re in denial. The Palin bubble is over, McCain can’t go a day without saying something idiotic, and as I have been telling you all for months now, Obama is going to win this election, probably by an historic margin.

          • tampagurl

            Obama didn’t know what AIG stood for, duh. That’s really bad considering Obama was number two on AIG’s list of bribes for Senators.

            • Hope Floats

              And who cares who the PM of Spain is?

          • kgirl1028

            If your candidate received fair coverage, you could talk, since he doesn’t shut the hell up. how about that. Cause if Gibson hadn’t played slice and dice with palins interview, the american people would have known not only how capable she is, but how capable obama is not. so go somewhere and shut it! before you get your feelings hurt.

      • Seattle Moss

        Sf..
        I still want you to answer this basic question.
        Why did Obama fail to stand at the state of the union address and clap the success of out troops in Iraq.
        Where I come from that’s called
        Anti-Americanism!!

        • SFhillary

          Where I come from, your obsession with triviality is called “Republicanism.” With the world melting down around us and John McCain offering nothing but a “commission” and suddenly, after 26 years in Congress as a libertarian who opposed all regulation, pretending to be a populist regulator, I can understand why you don’t want to actually, you know, discuss issues. But the American people are actually paying now, which means McCain and Palin are in deep doo-doo.

          Love the McCain gaffe today about Zapatero, by the way. LOVE IT. Mr. War on Terror can’t identify the Prime Minister of a major NATO ally. LOL. How can any of you support this guy with a straight face?

          • tampagurl

            Loved the gaff Obama made, he didn’t know what AIG stood for but hey according to sfhillary he’s wonderful. Personally I think he has early onset of Alzheimer’s.

          • Hope Floats

            Obama could have held three meetings with our NATO alies over Afghanistan. Spain hasn’t given our troops as much as a gazpacho recipe, so why would anyone know who Zapatero is? It’s not like he won the Euro 08.

            • tampagurl

              Hope, follow SFhillary’s link, it’s bullshit!

              • jjsmoof

                when i saw it was talkingpointsmemo i puked in my mouth

          • Seattle Moss

            Sf..
            I’m a business guy that still does it the old fashion way with eye contact and a good hand shake.
            The fact the Obama didn’t care enough to acknowledge our troops is evidence enough that he is not fit to be commander and chief.

            • SFhillary

              Like I said: you are a good loyal Republican who finds a triviality and fixates on it. According to the last poll I’ve seen from Stars & Stripes, a majority of military people favored Obama’s position on Iraq last year, long before McCain and Bush belatedly adopted it. I think that says it all as far as Obama and the military.

              • Seattle Moss

                Last year was along time ago asshole.
                I was a democrat then..
                along with my wife, the folks at my company, my church and my neighbors.
                Now we’re Country First!!

                Get a clue idiot!

                • Pink Panther

                  Seattle Moss
                  I run a business and employee several employees. SF may be like Obama-never had to make a payroll and always received a paycheck from someone else.

                  People who suck the money from those of us that produce are the most critical. I guess they have more time than we do. We have to work for a living so we can pay taxes so people like Obama can get a paycheck and have time to be critical.

              • Garfield

                And you are a Marxist. From the poll I’ve read, 93% of the Marxist are voting for Obama. You are also a racist and a discriminate base on age.

                Ya’ll want the government (i.e., those of us that work) to support you.

          • Seattle Moss

            Comment by SFhillary | 2008-09-18 00:29:46

            Where I come from, your obsession with triviality is called “Republicanism.”

            Where I come from we call it Patriotism!

      • Ginger

        Was this today’s talking point in the memo Obama sent you?

        • SFhillary

          No. Today’s talking point from the Obama campaign was that McCain doesn’t know jack-shit about the economy and is just embarrassing himself and insulting the intelligence of the American people by suddenly pretending to be a populist regulator when as recently as yesterday MORNING he was saying the economy was sound and that he is against regulation.

          • imustprotest

            Well of course STFU is misquoting McCain….that’s what the hopey/changey “new” kind of politics campaign does. You really are so scared STFU, I know, and a WOMAN is responsible for your pain!! Palin Power!

      • athy

        SFHillary,
        When Sen Obama MISSPOKE and said there were 57 states in USA, or when he MISSPOKE and said (during his trip overseas) that the Banking and Finance Committee was HIS committee- that was okay right? No big deal.

        BUT

        When/if Sen McCain mispeaks-he is senile, an imbecile right?

        Boy is the Obama campaign going to p*ss off all the senior demographic in Florida and Pennsylvania.

        Go ahead…keep it up… hmmmokay?

        • SFhillary

          I think most people understand the difference between misspeaking, as everyone does, and revealing through one’s answer to a journalist’s question that one genuinely has no idea who “Zapatero” is. McCain answered like he thought the guy was some leftist Latin American leader and refused to say whether he would invite him to the White House. Unfortunately, he had no idea that he was talking about the Prime Minister of Spain. That wasn’t misspeaking: that was ignorance. Just like when he confused Sunnis and Shiites three times in the course of a month or so.

          People figure this stuff out. Obama will pay no price for ridiculous misspeaking because everyone who listens to him can tell that he is deeply knowledgeable about most topics. McCain’s errors are different. In a potential commander in chief, they are scary. And people understand that too.

          For me, the best thing about the past week has been the wave of revulsion that erupted from the media and from the voting public over McCain’s hideous surge of negative ads. He has lost his reputation now, and lost his lead in the polls, and lost any sense of his personal honesty with the public. It’s over, PUMAs. McCain won’t come back from this.

          I’ll offer one caveat: if the Bush White House decides to start a war or manufacture a terrorist attack or something a week before the election, out of desperation. Because of course, Bush ahd Cheney know that if Obama is elected they might well be prosecuted for war crimes. So you know how much they want McCain to win. Great company you PUMAs keep these days.

          • just me

            you write a sick novel where a sentence will do your full of empty air….

            and we would rather keep company with McCain/Palin

            than u your messiah and his shady friends…

            McCain & Palin are real mavericks not an empty suit….

            • tampagurl

              Yeah, sfhillary rattles on just like Obama. How boring, my eyes were glazing over after the first paragraph.

            • SFhillary

              Yeah, they’re real mavericks, all right — they support pretty much every actual Bush policy position and initiative, but they SAY they’re mavericks, and they’re running against Obama, so for dumbass PUMAs, that’s good enough.

              Whatever. This election is slipping away from you now, and given the horrendous way McCain and Palin are performing on the rare occasions that their handlers allow them to speak to real live human beings, I don’t see them taking back the initiative in the debates. So I’m just hear to watch you all squirm while you watch Obama become 44.

              • imustprotest

                Sure you are STFU!!! Keep mumbling that to yourself….if it really helps! :) LOL!!

                • SFhillary

                  Well, I’m going to bed now, so I will indeed be Sing TFU.

                  Goodnight, PUMAs. I can’t wait to see tomorrow’s tracking polls. We’re ahead by an average of 2 points now; I’m guessing it will widen over the next few days. You can feel McCain losing it, can’t you? You’ve read about how high Palin’s negatives are now, right? You’re aware that middle America has soundly rejected her, that women especially don’t like her at all? You’ve figured out that McCain’s numbers are actually even at best, with the numbers he had before he picked her?

                  God, it must make you cringe to realize that with less than two months ago, McCain is losing, and what’s worse, losing his composure. Almost every day now he says something ridiculous, and he’s getting testy with the press; he snapped at a woman on Joe Scarborough’s morning show yesterday. He’s losing it.

                  Obama will be your next president, PUMAs. I couldn’t be happier. Goodnight.

                  • Pink Panther

                    In your nightmares.

                  • tampagurl

                    “SFhillary” you are full of B.S. You throw shit out there and hope we’ll fall for it.

                    • SFhillary

                      I’m full of BS, huh? Well, surely you acknowledge that a week ago McCain was leading in national polls. Now, do I have to link to all the polls that have come out in the past 24 hours showing that Obama has retaken the lead? Or are you going to argue that these pollsters were honest last week but are now lying for Obama this week?

                      Come on. Nobody is that lame. The reality is, you’re losing again.

              • Garfield

                You can't read very well can you sf? If you could, it would be obvious that Obama voted on critical issues with Bush & Cheney.

                Hey, here's something else for you to pick your few teeth with:

                Obama got $126,000 from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Investments. He is the second biggest recipient of political money from these funds and he’s only been in the Senate 3 years.

                (Reference: opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html)

                Jim Johnson, A Former CEO Of Fannie Mae And Top Obama Campaign Adviser, Received Special Loans From Countrywide:

                Jim Johnson, A Former CEO Of Fannie Mae Chosen To Lead Obama’s Vice Presidential Search Committee, Received Special Loans From Countrywide Financial CEO Angelo Mozilo. “Countrywide Financial Corp. makes mortgage loans through a vast network of offices, brokers and call centers. But a few customers have gotten their loans a special way: through Countrywide Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo. These borrowers, known internally as ‘friends of Angelo’ or FoA, include two former CEOs of Fannie Mae, the biggest buyer of Countrywide’s mortgages, say people familiar with the matter. One was James Johnson, a longtime Democratic Party power and an adviser to Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign, who this past week was named to a panel that is vetting running-mate possibilities for the presumed nominee.”

                (Reference: Glenn R. Simpson and James R. Hagerty, “Countrywide Frien ds Got Good Loans,” The Wall Street Journal, 6/7/08)

                Fannie Mae CEO calls Obama Family

                youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

              • Postmaster

                sfhillary….Obama can’t have it both ways. One time he says McCain is just another Bush pushing his agenda, then the next time he says McCain/Palin have NO agenda. Which is it?

          • Pink Panther

            Your defense of Obama is as repulsive as Obama.

            What a soulless person to support Obama when he voted with Bush and the Republicans on: FISA, Terri Schiavo, rewrote legislation to favor the nuclear power industry, voted against legislation that would make mining companies clean up their environmental messes, did not support the effort to get EPA to draft stricter mercury restricts, voted for the 2005 Bush/Cheney Energy Bill, accepted millions from Wall Street, Soro and MoveOn.Org., is talking about moving our troops from Iraq and putting them into Afgahanisan and said he will follow the Bush doctrine.

            You have no moral authority to condemn anyone here, or to criticize McCain or Palin.

          • Hope Floats

            Obama asking Iraq to delay troop withdrawals is not “misspeaking”. It is double speak.

          • Seattle Moss

            Sf..
            I could be comatose and still get the number of states correct.
            Obama showed who he really wants to win
            and that is to the 57 states of Islam

          • lastlemming

            You know, Patrick Fitzgerald knows a thing or two about indictments. I expect Obama to go long before Bush.

          • jwbeu

            SFHillary, you are such a loon. My word, are there black helicopters over rental? Your type are the reason the dems will lose this election. The American people cannot relate to anyone who is crazy.

      • Garfield

        Latest Electoral College forecast shows McCain ahead by as many as 27 votes

        As of September 16, the margin in electoral votes is 282.8 votes for McCain against 255.2 for Obama, depending on the forecasting scenario. Sheldon Jacobson, a professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, along with a group of students and collaborators at Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville are using a math model that dynamically forecasts the outcome of the election.

        • Darryl

          He been ahead since it was clear hillary was out of the race. The news is breaking it gently to the Obama supporters, so they don’t raid respectfull people’s houses and businesses.

          • tampagurl

            ROFLMAO

      • tampagurl

        “SFhillry” you’re a piece of crap! I followed that link of yours and it’s nothing but accusations of something supposedly from a Spanish newspaper. The audio is even in Spanish. You’re nothing more than a rumor monger. You’re a disgusting liar just like Obama!

      • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

        Oh crap! We are in trouble.

        a New CBS Poll is out with Obama Leading by 5 Points!!!!

        The BAD news?

        Total Respondents:——-1133 (100.00%)
        Republican:———————326 (28.8%)
        Democrats:———————437 (38.6%)
        Independents:—————–370 (32.7%)

        Who knew the Independent party was larger than the Republican party?

        And more importantly, why the hell didn’t the MSM cover the Independent Party Convention?

        • Pink Panther

          Talk about rigging the poll.

        • Dan

          This is par for the course with CBS News. The the margin for error on a supposedly “national” poll with only 1,000 respondents is huge. This poll is worthless. Any national poll with less than 3,000 respondents is pretty much useless. Watch Rasmussen and Gallup. Those are the two best polls and both show the race as a statistical dead heat.

      • notodisenfranchisement

        SFHillary – do you also call yourself Sindy McCain?

      • Community Organizer In Chief

        As if you’d know either, obotnik.

      • Dan

        Check back with us on Nov. 6th, slick.

      • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

        sfhillary says: “I don’t know who is more pathetic: McCain himself, or any clown who actually thinks he can win.”

        That would be NEITHER. The correct answer is: Anyone who blindly supports obama even though he is not capable, competent or able to lead a boy scout troop, let alone the US Government. Case in point would be the poster who is quoted.

    • athy

      lyndsy
      I agree.
      The msm doesnt understand that this political attack (Wall St/McCain) WONT STICK. Here is why:

      http://patriotroom.com/?p=2092

      This speech is EXCELLENT. The truth will hurt Sen Obama indeed. This video needs to get out along with links on where people can learn more about what Sen McCain is discussing…They will see that Sen McCain is a straight talker. Sen McCain doesnt need to go down to Sen Obama’s gutter level…Sen McCain just needs to get the truth out there-that’s all.
      *****************************************

      http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/

      ***************************************
      http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/16/obamas-finance-chair-failed-bank-owner-penny-pritzker-and-todays-wall-street-problem/#more-4842

      http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/barack-obamas-finance-chairwoman-and-the-seized-superior-bank/

      http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/update-fannie-mae-and-freddie.html

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      No, they aren’t. They’re determined, though, to make this thing look like a horserace when it is anything but.

      Obama is mincemeat already, absent a huge gaffe by McCain.

    • bert

      Is this even possible if the McCain campaign buys and pays for ads. Doesn’t the media have to run them? Does anyone know the answer?

    • Perry Logan

      At least now our Republican colleagues know how we Democrats have felt for the past 20 years, with the media relentlessly smearing our candidates, damaging them in the polls, while mindlessly praising candidates we fear and despise.

      Aggravating, isn’t it? ;-)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw

  • HARP

    Obama is lying scum.

    • Trolls Go To Hades

      So are his ignorant, bottom feeding trolls.

  • http://johnmccain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

    But whether or not Senator Obama’s conduct was unlawful, it was outrageous.

    Nail head meet hammer.

  • SJ

    Our media is really sick anyone else doing this crap they would of had a field day over this, he should really pay for trying to pull this stunt.

    Anyway knowing Obama maybe he feels he is the President already, and he was just carrying out his duties as commander in chief.

    • Hope Floats

      He was cynically trying to win an election. He thought he could get away with it, because “Reagan did.”

      • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

        In the days of Queen Elizabeth, this type of activity would have caused heads to roll….and end up on a spear outside the castle gates.

        Now, the MSM completely ignores this and hopes the blogosphere doesn’t keep it alive so that it can be relegated to the trash-heap of non-issue along with journalistic integrity, and the terms investigate, fair, and balanced.

        You’ve come a long way Baby!

        In Other news!!

        Oh Crap! We are in trouble!!

        a New CBS Poll is out with Obama Leading by 5 Points!!!!

        The BAD news?

        Total Respondents:——-1133 (100.00%)
        Republican:———————326 (28.8%)
        Democrats:———————437 (38.6%)
        Independents:—————–370 (32.7%)

        Who knew the Independent party was larger than the Republican party?

        And more importantly, why the hell didn’t the MSM cover the Independent Party Convention?

        • socalannie

          Funny looking poll. Do you suppose the msm is going to start showing polls with barky in the lead all the time now?

          I looked at nyt earlier and I couldn’t find anything about this story. The msm is utterly shameless.

          • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

            The problem with polling is two fold.

            1) how are the questions phrased and presented.

            2) what is the methodology for determining your sample of respondents.

            What this poll tells us is that if you poll more democrats and independents than republicans you will suppress the Republican Opinion.

            Now does the republican party really only account for barely a bit over 1/4 of the electorate?

            I suspect that this poll also doesn’t take into account the smoke signal vote…you know that other contingent much like those mysterious obama cell phone voters who text message their votes into american idol over and over, but on the republican side who live in the country, don’t wear shoes or shave and communicate using bonfires and blankets, claw marks on trees, and dear droppings in the forests and have to trap catch and skin their own food before they can eat it.

            Also be on the lookout for dead people voting in November, complements of Acorn, A. Corn, A.C. Orn and A. Coornholio.

        • athena

          Well I am an Independent voting for McCain! This poll is obtuse.

  • Cubs in 08

    The Logan Act

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

    1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

  • street_parade

    Okay, I’m confused…didn’t the Obama spokesperson just confirm that Obama did indeed do precisely what he she said he didn’t do?????

    These guys really are just a continuation of Bush with the same Orwellian newspeak and everything.

    • Another Fred

      You aren’t confused. Obama’s spokesperson did confirm this pretty much. If anyone is confused about this, it is the Obama campaign themselves.

      • richasis

        yup, they lied their way to the truth…

        • Community Organizer In Chief

          they stole their way to honesty…

          • Community Organizer In Chief

            and to change, remained exactly the same…

  • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

    News of Obama’s interference in ongoing military operations by negotiating with the Iraqi government to get them to delay making agreement with the U.S. on our troop movements (e.g., withdrawal) is traitorous. How many Americans will be killed or wounded because they have to stay in Iraq longer than they might otherwise?

    Obama has proved himself a traitor, not a patriot.

  • Annie

    I really think the media have just been reading and projecting the Obama talking points… They haven’t been thinking – or, as we know, doing any of their own investigation on the background and past and current associates of Obama hence their surprise with Lyn de Rothchild comes out with her statements and reasons re her supporting and campaigning for John McCain. Not just Country over Party…but that is the ultimate gain for America… John McCain as President will be excellent and keep America safe.

    I am beginning to think there just may be a light at the end of the very dark tunnel… Hope it gets very bright very soon.

  • tampagurl

    I don’t know if you guys already know this but Greta wire was hacked tonight. Obama thugs are disgusting.

    • Seattle Moss

      Hey Tampa..
      I used to get frothing mad at republicans.
      Now I hate New democrats!!!

      Such low life traitors!!

      Country First!

      • tampagurl

        Me too Seattle,

        The hackers I think were the same ones that hacked Sarah’s email. They or he took over her blog. Go over there and look at the comments you won’t believe it.

        • Seattle Moss

          I’m just beside myself with anger at these people.
          I can’t believe that I actually called myself a democrat all these years…

          They are Marxists just like the Soviets!

          • tampagurl

            I guess if we don’t tow the line and be good little Democrats they will punish us.

            • Seattle Moss

              Problem with these idiots Tampa is that they have awakened a sleeping giant.
              The FDR/Reagan/Clinton/McCain/PUMA/Democrats are uniting in the center to prevent this hostile takeover by the Soro’s internationalist’s that would like to end Americanism..
              I’m proud of my country and will defend it to my bitter end!!

              • KathyNeocon

                Bravo Seattle Moss!! ITA!! Hooray for the center!! Down with extremists!

                • Seattle Moss

                  Kathy..
                  I may have been against the Iraq originally..
                  But guess what?

                  I think Iraq is a Brilliant strategy for protecting Western civilization vital interests and the world against terrorism.

                  Sometimes you have to just be for America!!

                  Obama wished for defeat in Iraq so that he could win an election.
                  The DNC wishes for Depression so that they can win an election
                  How Anti-American is that?

                  • KathyNeocon

                    Amen. The Democrats have moved so far to the left, bought into the very worst of narcissictic liberalism, socialism, and embraced cynical anti-patriotism. Putting your country down scores points with them. It’s an insult to the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who have given their lives protectind and defending us since the birth of this nation.

                    Not for me. I re-registered as a Republican this summer.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Kathy..
                      If the democrats win America will be defeated, humiliated and at the mercy of foreign powers.
                      They will rejoice at an American depression and will use that as an excuse to usher in socialism which will end the America we know and love.
                      Sometimes you have to defend freedom
                      That time has arrived!!

                      “When your talking down my country man
                      Your walking on the fighting side of me”

                    • Docelder

                      People underestimate how our perceived “weakness” undermine our security at home and abroad. Remember the Cuban missile crisis, though Kennedy did well… probably much of the reason it happened was a test of Kennedy’s resolve. Remember the Iran hostage crisis… it is the same thing, we were viewed as weak… as a “paper tiger” by Iran.

                      Part of the reason the “great depression” and the run on banks happened was fear. It took a strong leader Roosevelt who said… “we have nothing to fear but fear itself”. Contrast this to Obama who is “chicken little” on the economy. Compare this to the strong leadership from McCain… “the fundamentals of our economy as strong”. McCain could stand in for Roosevelt here, while Obama just wants elected.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      The great depression was caused by reactionary politics..
                      High tariffs and high taxes!
                      Obama wishes this and more..
                      McCain will prevent a depression

                    • Perry Logan

                      I disagree about the “far leftist” part.

                      I’m a far leftist, so I know it when I see it.

                      If Obama were leftist, I’d be happier. I’m unhappy because Obama is just another neocon–and the neocons are the real traitors.

                • Ai1een

                  Time for a powerful 3rd party – THE CENTRIST PARTY.

              • tampagurl

                I hope you’re right Seattle,

                I was just over there reading (they keep changing the post) and it’s some frightening stuff. They started by changing the number of votes for her question of the night. They made comment how easy it is to change electronic votes. Scares the hell out of me.

                • Seattle Moss

                  I’m not so worried Tampa!
                  For the first time I welcome every trick the Republicans can pull to protect this country

                  • tampagurl

                    I don’t know Seattle,
                    Obama and his band of thieves are not your typical democrats. I was taught never let your guard down and never underestimate your enemies.

                • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

                  I went to Greta’s place to vote and post about who really did it…14 comment when I got there…the thugs took it over alright I watched it happen…I put the link to MM
                  http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/17/the-story-behind-the-palin-e-mail-hacking/

                  it has the whole story, who did it and everything…

                  • tampagurl

                    Thanks for that 30yrdem.

                • lORIE

                  From what I am hearing, the McCain camp is on the voter fraud detail. They have several hundred lawyers that will be watching. Omambi the piece of shit is going to crash and crash hard. I cannot wait to see it. This whole thing is getting out of hand.

                  I agree with Seattle,

                  “The FDR/Reagan/Clinton/McCain/PUMA/Democrats are uniting in the center to prevent this hostile takeover by the Soro’s internationalist’s that would like to end Americanism..
                  I’m proud of my country and will defend it to my bitter end!!”

                  and I have guns and religion to prove it :) Real Americans are too smart for the osama/binladin oops I mean the obama/biden clan.

                  McCain/Palin 2008

                  Country first!!!

                  Socialism…..NEVER IN MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!

              • Zeke

                Hey Mossyback!,
                I agree totally that we will prevail but prefer the other sonofabitch find his bitter end rather than me!
                How you doin?

                • Seattle Moss

                  I’m doing great as long as I don’t read the sports page.
                  Worse than wall street!!

                  • Zeke

                    Ya had to bring that up didn’t ya! Geeze, EVERYBODY sucks! I’ve never seen it this bad.
                    Its mainly why I haven’t set up the ballgame meeting, I get so bummed…
                    I am going to Fan Appreciation Night (we gotta appreciate somebody)
                    :)

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Zeke..
                      You might as well appreciate yourself!

                      They’re that bad!

                      If you want to meet me at the game let me know…

          • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

            And to think it was MSNBC and CNN that exposed the dems for what they are….if they had not went after Hillary we would all still believe the lies.

            • Seattle Moss

              Such a wake up call 30 yr dem!

              If it was not for this fixed primary and all it exposed about the democrats I may have never known.
              My brother saw the light years ago.
              I don’t mind saying that I have changed!
              Especially when it comes to saving out great country!

              • athy

                Seattle Moss-
                The fixed primary left me stunned. I was a lifelong loyal democrat up until that point.

                When I realized what had been done in that campaign, I woke up and started going over EVERYTHING with a fine tooth comb.

                Why did they do this? My personal investigation began. The deeper I dug, the more horrified I became.

                Here is good overview of what happened in our primary election…

                View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
                Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
                Part 1

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q

                Part 2

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU

                Superdelegates votes can not count until convention

                Part 3
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM

                *VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
                - these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.

                http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/

                This is excellent site too..

                http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm

                Obama & Vote Theft

          • Cubs in 08

            Amen!

          • kgirl1028

            I have no problem with communism or socialism, is the fascist that i abhore.

      • Jess Terr

        Those aren’t “new Democrats” they are stinking fascists in a new wrapper. Gimme a Dem and a Pub any day! We may disagree, diametrically, but we are FOR America, not against her.

        COUNTRY FIRST!

    • Tell it like it is

      I went on Greta’s blog & tried to vote & it was all messed up. Obama & his supporters are mean angry people who think they can bully everybody into keeping quiet. It would be very dangerous for Obama to be elected president.

  • Leisa

    Obama’s arrogance and NPD will be his undoing. He has overstepped his bounds and people are not backing down like he expects them to do. The media has spoiled him rotten…

  • WMCB

    I’d like to see a reporter pull a Charlie Gibson on Obama over this. Look over some glasses at him like CG did to Palin, and get all outraged:

    Senator Obama, wasn’t it HUBRIS on your part, as a mere 1-term senator, to do this?”

  • fif

    Why isn’t the Bush Administration addressing this? Shouldn’t the Justice Department (is that who has jurisdiction?) at least interview the witnesses and find out the facts? I would think the Republicans would be all over this.

    • orly

      The administration would be all over this if there were anything at all to it.

      But there doesn’t appear to be much here — just as there doesn’t appear to be much foundation for the allegations that McCain violated the Logan Act during the Russia/Georgia conflict.

      Keep trotting stuff out, though… eventually something might stick.

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        Are you for real? Bush has to maintain a low profile in order to ensure a Mccain Victory. Deal with it. God, it’s like dealing with a big stupid monkey.

      • http://www.theindependentview.com Matthew Weaver

        What part of this do you not see as serious? Asking a foreign government to not make agreement with the U.S.? Delaying troop withdrawal for political purposes? Does it not bother you that American’s will be killed or wounded because of his actions?

        And yes, I do look for Bush and McCain to say more on this.

        • orly

          I’m sure the McCain camp will use it, if they can.

          I don’t think your characterization of the issue comports with what we actually know thus far.

          Your questions would be quite pertinent if any of those things did, in fact, happen.

          • street_parade

            Here is the response of BO’s press liaison:

            “In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office,” she said.

            Not sure how else to read that except to say the BO’s campaign is confirming that he did interfere.

        • StrawberrybitesBarky

          Matthew, the extreme left and extreme right both use our armed forces as talking points and photo ops to push their agendas. We’re used to it. Not happy about it but we keep hoping someone with integrty and honesty may one day come to power, That could have been Hilliry, but now the best to hope for us would be a McCain/Palin ticket. Is that a sick turn of events or what? Sorry, Ambien kicking in…..ssnore….zzzz…thud,

        • Jess Terr

          McCain is going to talk about it publicly. Bush is going to be yanking DOJ chains quietly, I would pray.

  • Jjm

    A must read for everyone

    Before Democrats can take America back, they will have to take their party back from the Democratic Socialists of America

    What Happened to Hillary? Obama’s New Doormat?
    By JB Williams Tuesday, September 16, 2008

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5064

    • Zeke

      Good post!

    • Jess Terr

      Spot on!!! obama’s financiers groomed this one over 2 decades. Now, take the names of the financiers and check out the islamic connection.
      NObama.

    • athy

      Jjm,very interesting article. One question I have regrding the 64 names provided as Democrat Socialists of America presently working in Congress. What is the source for this writer’s information on these names?

      Everything up to that point makes sense to me.

  • http://IthinkIfeel... Tricia Spiegel

    This is shocking.

  • http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519 jessinwis

    Impeach Obama! It’s either now, or later.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    I haven’t read this article yet, just needed to post this new NakedEmperorNews video. (every darn puma better subscribe to this guy’s youtube, and see all his vids in his library.)


    Explosive CEO calling Obama, Dems “Family” of Fannie Mae
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

    • vinnie

      thanks for this video clip, just sent it out to all my friends who think Palin is the scarrrry one.

    • athy

      Kat-
      EXCELLENT video.

      Explosive CEO calling Obama, Dems “Family” of Fannie Mae

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

      Thank you.
      Things looking very bad for Sen Obama.

  • TeakwoodKite

    I am going to enjoy hearing about other exellent adventures of Obama, in a debate.

    The IGIT BO has no moral compass.

    • http://johnmccain.com Berserk Ohitler is the embodiment of pure evil

      The IGIT BO has no moral compass.

      He does have a compass of sorts and it points straight to hell.

    • http://medusa2.wordpress.com Medusa

      Interesting from Rasmussen

      McCain still leads by 1pt. But this is telling:

      McCain leads 58% to 38% among those who regularly shop at Wal-Mart while Obama leads 61% to 36% among those who don’t frequent the retail giant. Overall, Obama leads among those who earn less than $40,000 a year while McCain leads among those with higher earnings. Among white voters, Obama has the edge only among those who earn less than $20,000 a year and his advantage among those lower income white voters is just four percentage points

      • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

        The whites who earn less than 20,000 may be college kids.

        • Zeke

          Very observant point! I bet there’s a federal demographic on that someplace. There seem to be plenty enough of them to skew a stat at least.

      • Dan

        What doesn’t bode well for Obama is that the great majority of the undecided voters out there are Wal-Mart shoppers.

      • Hank

        I have ran into Deion Sanders, and Nastia Liukin mom at Walmart. Everybody goes to WallyWorld.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    New York Post articles by Amir Teheri

    9/15/08
    1. OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS’ IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

    9/17/08
    2. OBAMA OBJECTS BUT THE EVIDENCE SAYS I’M RIGHT
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_objects_129453.htm?page=0

    • Docelder

      Can you imagine what was going through the poor Iraqi ministers mind. He is under threat from Islamic terrorists at home, just from taking his position. Then here comes Obama… convincing him he will be the next President of the US. Telling him not to negotiate with Bush. Now the Iraqi minister knows, Obama wants him to fail, he wants Iraq to fail, and he knows Obama wants to use his country’s failure at democracy as an excuse never to exercise preemptive force again. What we forget is the Iraqi minister loves his country as much as we do ours. He wants Iraq to succeed so much he is risking his very life to be minister of the country… and Obama would destroy that for a talking point.

  • street_parade

    Any Obots out there? Can you explain something to me? BO’s ENTIRE campaign against HRC was about his ‘good judgement’ on Iraq and how he wanted to bring the troops home. NOW he is saying to the Iraqi Foreign Minister “can you hold off negotiating bringing the troops home until after I’m elected.” Subtext – because I still need to keep this alive as a campaign issue.

    If you are negotiating in July of ’08 about withdrawal wouldn’t the troops be home faster than if you waited until January of ’09 to even start the process? Seems like he’s using the troops just like GW Bush did.

    Any comments, Obots?

    • Zeke

      I certainly agree that Obama had literally asked for the delay and that troops would have been exposed to risk more had he succeeded in his effort. This type of action obviously is completely hypocritical of Obama and runs true to form.

      I don’t believe Bush intentionally placed men in harms way to affect an election. Bush’s motives for the war are what they are. If I knew for certain what they were, I might even support them. What was wrong to my mind’s eye about the invasion of Iraq was that the true reason wasn’t enough for Americans to get behind it.
      You may be nodding your head right now but my real point here is that I’m saddened that the true reason wasn’t enough.
      Hitler did what he did because no one stopped him in time.
      Since it is obvious that Saddam’s actions toward his nation’s ethnic groups differed only in body count from Hitler’s, there can be no moral high ground that supports standing by while other human beings are being dropped into shredders feet first, nerve gassed, raped, tortured and disappeared. Those tiny little peccadillos were not enough for Americans to say, “We better do something right f**king now about this crazy bastard.”
      GW et al had to suspend their own disbelief and run with the WMD football to get congress and the UN to respond.

      I believe in the bottom of my heart that if there is a shame to be felt about the start of this war, it is that we, as a people, did not value human life the same all across the board. We valued it on a sliding scale directly related to how far away they were and how different they looked.

      We are blessed and fortunate that our troops and their great leadership have performed so wonderfully and with such determination. They are achieving a great victory.
      It is for us, the ones here who see a madman trying to steal our country, to now do our duty and defeat him and his swine in detail.
      (that last part means every last one of the sonsofbitches, one at a time)

    • vinnie

      I’ll respond for them.

      uhhh ummm, uhhhhhhhh the very notion of ummmm…

      • Garfield

        You forgot,

        What Obama Really Meant

  • Anna

    These outright distortions will not changes the facts — Senator Obama is the only candidate who will safely and responsibly end the war in Iraq and refocus our attention on the real threat: a resurgent Al-Qaeda and Taliban along the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.”

    To quote Mr. Spock: “Nothing is a fact until after it happens.”

    • jwrjr

      The distortions are coming from the Obama campaign and nowhere else.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Scum…pond scum…dirt…big pile of sh!t!!!

    After all this country has been through…if the media does not cover this…

    lying sack of….

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    I have to wonder what they French think of him now…you know how they hate Americans over this war…Obama risk the lives of our troops for political gain, hurts the leader in Iraq, doesn’t care as long as people think he did something for the troops and you know his bots will believe he ended the war…all the while we would of had to pay for the troops being there for 6 months longer because of Obama’s EGO!

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      guess we know why he took that trip now…and why he had no time for the troops…

  • Pink Panther

    OBAMA TELLS AUDIENCE TO ARGUE WITH NEIGHBORS & GET IN THEIR FACE

    In Elko, Nevada today, Obama said the following:

    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

    “And if they tell you that, ‘Well, we’re not sure where he stands on guns.’ I want you to say, ‘He believes in the Second Amendment.’ If they tell you, ‘Well, he’s going to raise your taxes,’ you say, ‘No, he’s not, he’s going lower them.’ You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.”

    NOW WE KNOW WHERE THE ORDERS ARE COMING FROM FOR THE OBAMA TROLLS AND SUPPORTERS TO BE SO AGGRESSIVE.

    sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics

    • vinnie

      What a f*cking thug. He has no class.

      • athy

        Vinnie-
        and did you read what Sen Obama’s supporters said in response to this comment that Pink Panther posted above (BTW THANKS VERY MUCH PINK PANTHER FOR THIS LINK)

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics

        Some in the audience in Elko said they were satisfied with Obama’s tone.

        “I think he needs to keep doing exactly what he’s doing, which is speak softly, show it through,” said Paul Barnhart, a retired real estate appraiser. “I think most Americans are pretty fed up and sick and tired of the bickering and the battling back and forth. I am.”

        Holly Black, a special education teacher in Elko, agreed. “I don’t believe in the trash-talking. I believe he is aggressive.”

        Wow…do these people understand what Sen Obama is asking them to do? Do they question their marching orders at all?

        What is up with the statement

        “You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.”

        He is, as Pink Panther said, promoting this aggressive behavior. IF he becomes president, what else will he ask his supporters to do for him?

        How much support (financial, military, etc…) will he give his supporters to carry out the marching orders he gives them in the future?

        WHAT kind of marching orders will he give them?
        What if friends and family of the Obama supporters disagree with PREZ Obama’s marching orders? Will PREZ Obama send out the gestapo to arrest them? Will children squeal on their parents so that they can remain in good standing with Sen Obama?

      • kgirl1028

        let them get in peoples face. After they get punched or shot a few times they will figure it out.

    • SJ

      Yep just go out there and bully all the people that dont want to vote for you, hack there accounts, insult them in the blogs, get hostile in chat rooms, just attack with full force and let them know if you don’t vote for Obama it is only because he is black and nothing more you are just racist.

      • Docelder

        There is that “community organizing” by any means necessary… where the ends justify the means undertone going on. No denying that.

        • KathyNeocon

          I’m in LA with a McCain/Palin sign in my window. Let’s how long it takes for someone to throw a rock through it, throw eggs at it, or something along those lines. It’s anarchy, and they’re vigilantes.

        • Pink Panther

          Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals (Portion)

          Keep the pressure on (Alinsky 1972: 128).

          The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself (Alinsky 1972: 129).

          The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition (Alinsky 1972: 129). Such pressure is necessary, Saul Alinsky argued, in order to get reaction from the opposition. He argued that ‘the action is in the reaction’ (op. cit.).

          If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside (Alinsky 1972: 129). Essentially, this is to not give up and be afraid to concentrate on the negative aspects.

          Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it (Alinsky 1972: 130). This is perhaps Saul Alinsky’s most controversial rule and is the counter to the common idea that we should not make things personal. When pursuing the changes in the inheritance law for paintings he targets one individual. He will often find out who the CEO is in a company and hound that person. In the organophosphates debate it is one scientist that he targets and the validity of his findings.

          infed.org/thinkers/alinsky.htm

          “Life is a corrupting process from the time a child learns to play his mother off against his father in the politics of when to go to bed; he who fears corruption fears life.”
          —Saul Alinsky

          THIS SOUNDS LIKE ADVICE OF AND FOR BULLIES.

          • Docelder

            The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself (Alinsky 1972: 129).

            And we see Obama’s underlying philosophy here with the fear being spread about roe wade, the supreme court, riots, privilege, the economy and so on. The method is to destroy your confidence and beliefs and then offer himself unto you as a “ME”ssiah. That is why people with faith or a strong personal belief system are immune from this. This “voodoo” only works on people who don’t have a strong unwavering belief system.

            • Pink Panther

              Amen.

        • athy

          Docelder-
          Read this VERY interesting article about Sen Obama’s community organizing and what this really meant.

          Read the bloggers comments-esp. mine(athy)

          http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway

    • street_parade

      BO should try being responsible for making his own case, he’s the one running for POTUS. Oh, when he loses, he’ll blame the lousy ambassadors he had, and the voters of course. We just didn’t ‘hear what he was saying’.

    • Athena The Warrior

      That’s how his idol Saul Alinsky did it. Agitate, get in people’s face. Community organizing at its finest. I expect more of this between now and November 5th.

    • Hope Floats

      One of my friends asked me if I was voting for Obama. I was evasive at first (being polite.) They said, “We need a change after 8 years of the Republicans.” So I said, “If the change is a sexist, room temp IQ socialist and giving the useless Dems a government trifecta, I’d rather set my hair on fire and put it out with a claw hammer.” End of discussion.

      • imustprotest

        LOL! :)

    • Prem

      Didn’t Hitler do this, too? Hitler became more and more crazed as he was losing WWII—BHO becoming more and more crazed as he’s dropping in the polls.
      Scary similarities.

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      What a fucking idiot–he apparently doesn’t understand, seeing as he spends so little fucking time on the Hill, that the CONGRESS, not the President, makes law.

      Let ‘em get in my face….oh, wait…all my Democratic neighbors are planning on voting for McCain.

      There will be no arguing in this neighborhood, except maybe that oddball troublemaking old crank on the corner–and no one talks to him, anyway.

    • Dan

      Sad part is that there are a lot of people who will buy into his BS about lowering taxes. Barack Obama may lower personal income taxes a smidgen for middle class people. Maybe. (Personally, I highly doubt it.) But he will dramatically jack up taxes on businesses, estates, and capital gains. And how do you think businesses will recoup those extra costs. They’ll pass them on in the form of higher prices. And you wanna talk about jobs leaving the country?

      Like Fred Thompson said at the Republican convention: “So, unless you happen to work for a business or buy things from a business, Mr. Obama’s tax increases won’t affect you at all!”

  • benny

    Obama keeps doing exactly the wrong thing. He’ll be a disastrous president.

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  • Danny

    Recently this house killed the cable and went to limited basic so mostly we get the the big 4 but not the idiots 4 (cnn, msnbc, cnn and fox). BIG RELIEF AROUND HERE. They were driving us NUTS and of course being a total politics news hound I would watch hours of IT. Not anymore and it really is starting to feel good.

    Tonight I watched the evening news with Brian Williams and they did a segment on Sara Palin that was so petty and discusting for a news outlet I will probably end my relationship with the 6:00 PM news. something is wrong with MS and NBC – Jesus they get all petty on McCain/Palin and have daily drooling sessions for Obama. I don’t get it.

    I confess that I still have Satilite radio and yes i listen to the corporate news to and from work only in the car. I heard Campbell Brown interview Lynn Forester de Rothschild – I have to tell you all she rocks and kicked some Cambell around the studio. It was great listenting to her not take guff from the likes of CNN.

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      You can get your news segments on the internet if there is something worth seeing. I still have the big cable but we watch more cartoons than news–it’s simply easier on the blood pressure.

  • Docelder

    pay no price for ridiculous misspeaking

    He will take his teleprompter to the “rodeo” where axelrod may speak for him. Really you could substitute a cardboard cutout picture of the guy… and axelrod could speak through a microphone to the crowd. People don’t trust him, because he is “not real”. Knowing that much, he can’t even fake it.

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Not Your sweetie

    Forget the media, where is Bush in all this? Do we need extra proof which candidate he’s rooting for?
    Meanwhile Obama is stocking the flames of racism
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/obama-stocking-racism/

  • elise

    Nancy, this is OT, but it’s curious and I’d like to know if noquarter has information. From MSNBC….

    SAN FRANCISCO – A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit seeking to remove John McCain from the California ballot because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26765398/

    Why would the American Independent Party bring this suit?

    • athena

      They are trying to remove him in Texas as well because of late filing for the ballot since GOPS’s convention and nomination was after filing date. It won’t hold because of the fine print ( so many days after the convention to get on the ballot) Independents are learning BO’s tactics.

  • Mr.Murder

    “Taheri’s article bore ‘as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.’”

    This is a non denial, it may even be an indirect comparison of McCain being truthful. It had as much truth as a McCain commercial, but the sentence didn’t call it a lie?

    In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

    Well GWB would still be the President and have charge of negotiations. This is simply a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more kind of item.

    Barack O’Python’s Flying Circus.

  • betty

    How long can this [DELETED BY ADMIN] site and it’s [DELETED BY ADMIN] creators and it’s [DELETED BY ADMIN] accolytes ignore the worst financial crisis in this country since the 1930′s and John McCain’s crucial role in setting the stage for it?

    McCain is such a loser! (and so are you folks here btw)He should have done himself a favor and stayed in the private sector so he could have cheated on his wife like he really wants to.

    He’s been completely useless and a sick joke as a politician.

    [ADMINISTRATOR: WHAT DEEP THOUGHTS. NOT. AND GET YOUR HISTORY RIGHT ON MCCAIN.]

    • benny

      betty, calm down. you need serious help.

      • betty

        I’ll take that as a second. Good boy.

        • benny

          and after the GE when Obama loses, you may get a little unhinged. so ease up on the hate. :-)

          • imustprotest

            good point benny….where’s Donna B? Stop the hate!

        • KathyNeocon

          Wow! Thanks Betty. What a convincing argument. You Obots really make a strong case. Gosh o golly o gee, I think I’ll vote for Obama now. Where’s my Kool-aid? I want some of whatever you’re on.

      • notodisenfranchisement

        betty – please go back to Taylor Marsh’s site and stay there.

    • Mr.Murder

      Barack’s own campaign staff and donor list fits the S$L/subprime scandal quite nicely.

    • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

      Betty, you are the asshole, voting for a complete fraud. It’s Obama who has voted for Cheney’s energy bill-giving billions in givaways to oil companies. It’s Obama who has his Penny Pritzker for his financial chair, the one who helped cause this bank shut down domino effect. It’s Obama who gets the most money from Fannie and Freddie. Obama has always been down with the special interests and lobbyists, and you are damn fool to believe that he is in any way honest. You are worried about the economy? LIAR.

      I cannot STAND you disgusting Oblow supporters. You dumb F***S are so stupid and you are trying to bring the rest of the country down with you uninformed MSNBC watching MORONS.

      • VMorris

        OZero and his idiotic drone supporters are the puss that feeds off of pond scum.

      • richasis

        “It’s Obama who has voted for Cheney’s energy bill-”

        being cousins, he’s just ‘keepin’ it real’ in the family. :)

    • richasis

      betty… are leaking barko’s next campaign stump-speech…???

    • kgirl1028

      Sweety, as much as i dislike republicans, there are some problems they just didn’t cause and this is of them.

    • ritamary

      Another Obot winning friends and influencing people.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      Betty you sound bitter.

      Buh Bye. Enjoy the ban!

    • Idiocracy08

      Well betty, IF that is your real name…at least the good people of Arizona has elected him into office for 26 years. How do we know Obama could get elected to Senate for a 2nd term?

      And Obama’s argument that McCain’s been in the Senate too long & is too old is stupid; then he shouldn’t have picked Joe Biden, who has been in there longer; and he shouldn’t so readily accept the endorsement of Ted Kennedy – who has been there longer and is older.

      Easy for you to say that McCain has set the stage for the crisis, when we voted the dems into office to fix everything. What have they done? Nothing!

      Sick joke of a politician is someone who sits on a committee, but never bothers to hold a meeting because he’s too busy running for office. A sick joke is someone who says they won’t vote for FISA but does. A sick joke is someone who votes for Cheney’s energy bill – then goes around acting like he didn’t. A sick joke is someone who votes for that bridge, instead of diverting funds to Katrina victims – and then makes fun of that bridge. A sick joke is someone who hangs out with Wright, Fleger, Ayers, Rezko, Odinga, etc..
      The list goes on. A sick joke of a politician is none other than Barack Obama.

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      Betty, now you know what your doctor said about skipping your meds, don’t you?

      You can’t go cold turkey off the Hopium and Kool Aid. You must use that medicinal bridge.

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      Wow, you’re an idiot, and you sound like you’re HOPING for a “real” depression–you know, the old “Brother Can You Spare a Dime” type situation.

      If that happens, you’ll be fucked, “Sweetie.” Your job will go overseas, you won’t be able to afford to live anywhere and the economy will collapse.

      And how, pray tell, is the current situation McCain’s fault?

      He’s one of a hundred Senators–if individual Senators had the power you ascribe to them, why would any of them want to be the ineffectual (by comparison) President?

      Dumb troll…you’re frightened, aren’t ya?

      You should be.

      :lol:

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    Here is the new hopey changey uniter Obama:

    In Elko, Obama tried to anticipate his critics and called on the crowd of about 1,500 to sharpen their elbows, too.

    “I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

    So much for a respectful Town Hall discussion. Get in their faces.

    McCain’s response:

    “Let’s have some straight talk: Sen. Obama is not interested in the politics of hope; he’s interested in his future. That’s why he’s hurling insults,” McCain said as he and running mate Sarah Palin addressed a rally in Ohio.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/17/politics/p185733D40.DTL&type=politics

    Obama’s change is not for the better. He’s channeling a Dean Scream in a Goldwater Mushroom Cloud.

    Meanwile that astute liberal rag, Slate, claims
    Obama is not in a panic, and did not get all hot and bothered in Elko.

    He (Obama) didn’t appear fazed. He sounded like a man who was ahead by 10 points. He wasn’t exactly listless—but he wasn’t urgent or exercised, either.

    Why are they so calm in Obama-land? I can’t find an account of the candidate yelling at anyone during the entire campaign, and it’s not just the candidate who seems calm.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2200301

    I guess Slate was at the Elko rally on Mars, and they missed the Obamaland reaction to Palin, the Obamaland reaction to McCains ads, and the Obamaland reaction to Obama’s dive in the Polls.

  • McKatmoon

    We are all getting weary, this election season has been too long and many of us have Obama fatigue. Obama support fatigue as well. Do not let any polls or any media bs or any of the constant refrain from the zombie supporters push you away from the political table. I have been remiss the last couple of weeks, I admit, from political communications, because I needed a rest. I couldn’t take any more of the bashing, and lying, it can get depressing to witness the irresponsibility and outright manipulation of an election.It doesn’t change my vote, it is simply a recognition of a level of contempt and disgust I have for the snake charmer campaign and idiot followers, they don’t wear me out, they generate a dulling nonsensical noise, I can’t stand any longer.
    I blog only here and there now on NQ, again, I am tired, sick and tired. I want this election over, I want to See President McCain and Vice-President Palin. To be hit with the racist crap again is no surprise and this time it doesn’t even sting, maybe derision is the best reaction.

    You aren’t voting for him because he is a black man

    Ok whatever you need to believe, I really don’t care, but for those who would choose to believe an obvious smear-one of their fellow citizens, understand this one thing. There will be a backlash that does look racist after the election. Much like the delayed outrage over the invasion of Iraq(you know when the media took a nap last time?)That backlash is what we see now in the over the top swing in the other direction, the same will happen with this faux racism bs. I will be voting and doing my best to pay attention and participate as much as possible, being very selective as to what I read, listen to and whom I choose to have discourse with. Most media, blogs are nothing more than the “McDonalds” of the internet, a fast fix for a pseudo political hunger, when actually most places are filled with hacks from the o campaign throwing around their one line zingers~which doesn’t work for those in search of a “real meal” that has substance. It reflects the entitlement attitude and lack of political maturity required for the office of president. SO instead of listing all the facts, we have all repeated over and over, all the lies O has been caught in, and the sick sick butt licking by the media; I’ll go with what I am labeled. I’m not voting for O because he is_______________(let the o supporters fill in the blank, they will anyway).

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  • Sassy

    Thanks Nancy!
    Sometimes I feel as though Mr. Bojangles could not get any lower in my esteem, but he just keeps sinking!
    Why will any one defend his actions? This was willful on his part, for no one…not even a freshman, could have misunderstood the ramifications of this conniving, under-handed action!

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