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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/48776/who-really-helped-pass-prop-8/#comment-1385182</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back at you 8-) </description>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fed-Up:

Asking&#160;Buzz Latte to engage in a civil discussion regarding anything--particularly LGBT rights--is about as promising as hoping Sarah Palin can make it through a dictionary without suffering a seizure.&#160; Aint&#039; gonna happen. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fed-Up:</p>
<p>Asking&nbsp;Buzz Latte to engage in a civil discussion regarding anything&#8211;particularly LGBT rights&#8211;is about as promising as hoping Sarah Palin can make it through a dictionary without suffering a seizure.&nbsp; Aint&#8217; gonna happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh good, now it&#039;s &quot;fucking idiot&quot;. &#160;Still having trouble with owning your own behavior, apparently.&#039;&#039;

I&#039;d be &quot;Fed-Up&quot; with myself too if I had such an attitude towards life and others. &#160;Your posts are a prime example of one of the reasons for people being intolerant. &#160;But, hey, I realize the correlation may be floating about 100 feet over your head right now.

Reality is what it is.&#160;

It&#039;s hard to realize that only you can own your own behavior. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good, now it&#8217;s &#8220;fucking idiot&#8221;. &nbsp;Still having trouble with owning your own behavior, apparently.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be &#8220;Fed-Up&#8221; with myself too if I had such an attitude towards life and others. &nbsp;Your posts are a prime example of one of the reasons for people being intolerant. &nbsp;But, hey, I realize the correlation may be floating about 100 feet over your head right now.</p>
<p>Reality is what it is.&nbsp;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to realize that only you can own your own behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed-Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee...what a surprise....you read one line and left out the rest.&#160; You are not discussing the downsides of the issue, you stated something obsurd that only feeds into the road blocks, you probably cut and paste your comments at 50 other sites spreading your ill.

&quot;Moron&quot; was the only word that came to mind that would be more fair to use then a FUCKING IDIOT.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee&#8230;what a surprise&#8230;.you read one line and left out the rest.&nbsp; You are not discussing the downsides of the issue, you stated something obsurd that only feeds into the road blocks, you probably cut and paste your comments at 50 other sites spreading your ill.</p>
<p>&#8220;Moron&#8221; was the only word that came to mind that would be more fair to use then a FUCKING IDIOT.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/48776/who-really-helped-pass-prop-8/#comment-1385134</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee that was a lot of words just to state your opinion. &#160;Like I said, it&#039;s hard to discuss the downsides of an issue. &#160;You&#039;re proof of just how much reality is a distasteful state to be asked to join into.

Stating that someone is a &quot;moron&quot; for posting things that are distasteful to you isn&#039;t exactly a prime example of the &quot;kinder, open-minded, and accepting of differences&quot; hopey thing you wish for.

Sorry, but it begins in your own backyard. &#160;Is it clean up time?

Look! &#160;Shiny objects! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee that was a lot of words just to state your opinion. &nbsp;Like I said, it&#8217;s hard to discuss the downsides of an issue. &nbsp;You&#8217;re proof of just how much reality is a distasteful state to be asked to join into.</p>
<p>Stating that someone is a &#8220;moron&#8221; for posting things that are distasteful to you isn&#8217;t exactly a prime example of the &#8220;kinder, open-minded, and accepting of differences&#8221; hopey thing you wish for.</p>
<p>Sorry, but it begins in your own backyard. &nbsp;Is it clean up time?</p>
<p>Look! &nbsp;Shiny objects!</p>
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		<title>By: Fed-Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed-Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a comment yesterday, see above, which lead BUZZ CRAKER to derail the issue.&#160; This person is a complete moron and has his own agenda and short comings in his life view and for that matter &quot;gays&quot;.&#160; I for one, you ass, as well as many of my friends do not and would never&#160;act in a manner to harm a child.&#160; Sexual orientation does NOT dictate a criminal act towards a child.&#160;&#160;My son does not fail into your anti-gay agenda.&#160; Any criminal act upon a child, be it from a straight or gay should be dealt with the strongest arm of the law.&#160; You do not suggest an open discussion to confront the crimes of &quot;straight&quot; men&#160;do to children just the dicussion of straights &quot;fearing&quot; their child will be harmed by a &quot;gay&quot; much quicker and more likely

Get a FREAKIN&#160;clue.&#160;&#160;You are disgusting.&#160;

My point, was and is a very simple one, please have an open mind, I was stating that our society has a belief and has been convinced of &quot;don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell&quot;.&#160; It&#039;s okay to be &quot;gay&quot;, but stay where you belong, and don&#039;t ruffle any of &quot;our&quot; feathers and we&#039;ll be just fine.&#160; Reminds me of a time in our history, &quot;woman ought to be in the kitchen and not have any rights other than what the husbands tell her&quot;, just be the &quot;good little wife&quot;.

Well, Buzz you certainly took the conversation to a whole new level.&#160; To get into a debate of whether gays commit &quot;the&quot; crimes or not and the fear that gays will teach or worse sexually abuse your children at school is completely off the mark.&#160; You changed the talking points to drive more fear into society and twist our cause to have equal protection and rights.

I read all your comments, and getting back to my original post, I reread yours and inserted the word &quot;blacks&quot; and you sound no better then a seggregationist defending the KKK.&#160; If people like you won the argument, blacks would still be slaves, woman would not be allowed to go out without the permission of the man and certainly no vote, Jews would still be in the Ghetto, and gays would be shot on sight and a Black man would certainly not be President.

I thank god people like you will be replaced by the next generation of a more kinder, open-minded and accepting of differences that makes up the world society.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a comment yesterday, see above, which lead BUZZ CRAKER to derail the issue.&nbsp; This person is a complete moron and has his own agenda and short comings in his life view and for that matter &#8220;gays&#8221;.&nbsp; I for one, you ass, as well as many of my friends do not and would never&nbsp;act in a manner to harm a child.&nbsp; Sexual orientation does NOT dictate a criminal act towards a child.&nbsp;&nbsp;My son does not fail into your anti-gay agenda.&nbsp; Any criminal act upon a child, be it from a straight or gay should be dealt with the strongest arm of the law.&nbsp; You do not suggest an open discussion to confront the crimes of &#8220;straight&#8221; men&nbsp;do to children just the dicussion of straights &#8220;fearing&#8221; their child will be harmed by a &#8220;gay&#8221; much quicker and more likely</p>
<p>Get a FREAKIN&nbsp;clue.&nbsp;&nbsp;You are disgusting.&nbsp;</p>
<p>My point, was and is a very simple one, please have an open mind, I was stating that our society has a belief and has been convinced of &#8220;don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell&#8221;.&nbsp; It&#8217;s okay to be &#8220;gay&#8221;, but stay where you belong, and don&#8217;t ruffle any of &#8220;our&#8221; feathers and we&#8217;ll be just fine.&nbsp; Reminds me of a time in our history, &#8220;woman ought to be in the kitchen and not have any rights other than what the husbands tell her&#8221;, just be the &#8220;good little wife&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, Buzz you certainly took the conversation to a whole new level.&nbsp; To get into a debate of whether gays commit &#8220;the&#8221; crimes or not and the fear that gays will teach or worse sexually abuse your children at school is completely off the mark.&nbsp; You changed the talking points to drive more fear into society and twist our cause to have equal protection and rights.</p>
<p>I read all your comments, and getting back to my original post, I reread yours and inserted the word &#8220;blacks&#8221; and you sound no better then a seggregationist defending the KKK.&nbsp; If people like you won the argument, blacks would still be slaves, woman would not be allowed to go out without the permission of the man and certainly no vote, Jews would still be in the Ghetto, and gays would be shot on sight and a Black man would certainly not be President.</p>
<p>I thank god people like you will be replaced by the next generation of a more kinder, open-minded and accepting of differences that makes up the world society.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/48776/who-really-helped-pass-prop-8/#comment-1385038</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s probably religion that is the real spanner in the works. &#160;

Also, MHO is that people are going to be asking what&#039;s in it for them to vote for gay marriage. &#160;Call it a side effect from the last two years of being called racist at every corner after coming from a belief that the playing field had been leveled.

Gays may need to start a new narrative to convince the holdouts that it&#039;s a civil rights issue when the last two-three decades has proven a big share of the conversation has been given over to pointing out differences and how &quot;natural&#039; those differences are - yet, we can do what we want because we&#039;re different - but you won&#039;t let us marry - so you&#039;re a homophobe.

Get the conundrum?

Thanks for the link and comment! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s probably religion that is the real spanner in the works. &nbsp;</p>
<p>Also, MHO is that people are going to be asking what&#8217;s in it for them to vote for gay marriage. &nbsp;Call it a side effect from the last two years of being called racist at every corner after coming from a belief that the playing field had been leveled.</p>
<p>Gays may need to start a new narrative to convince the holdouts that it&#8217;s a civil rights issue when the last two-three decades has proven a big share of the conversation has been given over to pointing out differences and how &#8220;natural&#8217; those differences are &#8211; yet, we can do what we want because we&#8217;re different &#8211; but you won&#8217;t let us marry &#8211; so you&#8217;re a homophobe.</p>
<p>Get the conundrum?</p>
<p>Thanks for the link and comment!</p>
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		<title>By: EllenD</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 05:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz, I thought of you when I came across this:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/05/our-take-the-surprising-religious-divides-on-proposition-8/

Another interesting surprising take.

BTW - I enjoy your comments. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz, I thought of you when I came across this:</p>
<p><a href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/05/our-take-the-surprising-religious-divides-on-proposition-8/" rel="nofollow">http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/05/our-take-the-surprising-religious-divides-on-proposition-8/</a></p>
<p>Another interesting surprising take.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I enjoy your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: CindyWhiteBaguetteW/OliveOilForDipping</title>
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		<dc:creator>CindyWhiteBaguetteW/OliveOilForDipping</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen D-----Wow! Was that little ditty&#160;your High School&#039;s Alma Mater? :) 
Just kidding!
You would have been very&#160;welcome to join&#160;my H.S. chorus when I was teaching. I always encouraged creativity! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen D&#8212;&#8211;Wow! Was that little ditty&nbsp;your High School&#8217;s Alma Mater? <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Just kidding!<br />
You would have been very&nbsp;welcome to join&nbsp;my H.S. chorus when I was teaching. I always encouraged creativity!</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 02:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS. &#160;I&#039;m with you. &#160;The lack of civility from all sides is really to the detriment of all. &#160;

Being called racist a zillion times in the last two years is a prime example of a group behaving badly towards others who do not share the same viewpoint.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS. &nbsp;I&#8217;m with you. &nbsp;The lack of civility from all sides is really to the detriment of all. &nbsp;</p>
<p>Being called racist a zillion times in the last two years is a prime example of a group behaving badly towards others who do not share the same viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 02:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ferd. &#160;This is a tough issue because of the fears of many in general and the real realities of it that gays need to recognize and work on as an outreach to those that hold their civil rights in their votes.

We&#039;re going to keep going around in circles until those fears are addressed and worked upon with a mutually agreed upon result. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ferd. &nbsp;This is a tough issue because of the fears of many in general and the real realities of it that gays need to recognize and work on as an outreach to those that hold their civil rights in their votes.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re going to keep going around in circles until those fears are addressed and worked upon with a mutually agreed upon result.</p>
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		<title>By: Katmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz, It is so hard to put these realities into words, but I think the effort on this particular article tonight was outstanding, and thank you for your courage. It&#039;s funny I always hated being thought different of because I have a gay father, I just wanted people to understand he really wasn&#039;t special or different because he was Gay; he only was special to me just like most kids who love their Dads, because he was my Dad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz, It is so hard to put these realities into words, but I think the effort on this particular article tonight was outstanding, and thank you for your courage. It&#8217;s funny I always hated being thought different of because I have a gay father, I just wanted people to understand he really wasn&#8217;t special or different because he was Gay; he only was special to me just like most kids who love their Dads, because he was my Dad.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank-you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your understanding and analysis, Katmoon.

You&#039;ve captured the intent succinctly. &#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your understanding and analysis, Katmoon.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve captured the intent succinctly. &nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz water cracker Latte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buzz water cracker Latte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point has been missed. &#160;It isn&#039;t comparing apples to oranges or gayness to murder. &#160;It is trying to get people to recognize that part of the fear that gets people to vote against gay marriage is the fear for their children being exposed to different sexual practices and the fear that their children may be subject to exploitation.

I didn&#039;t make the rules, but I sure won&#039;t excuse away negative behavior in favor of a cause or uniqueness. &#160;I&#039;m speaking strictly from a behaviorist standpoint.

My question to the gay community is what is being done to address those fears? &#160;So far, it&#039;s gay rights that has been banged on the drum ad nauseum. &#160;How about addressing what&#039;s in it for the millions who are not gay? &#160;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point has been missed. &nbsp;It isn&#8217;t comparing apples to oranges or gayness to murder. &nbsp;It is trying to get people to recognize that part of the fear that gets people to vote against gay marriage is the fear for their children being exposed to different sexual practices and the fear that their children may be subject to exploitation.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t make the rules, but I sure won&#8217;t excuse away negative behavior in favor of a cause or uniqueness. &nbsp;I&#8217;m speaking strictly from a behaviorist standpoint.</p>
<p>My question to the gay community is what is being done to address those fears? &nbsp;So far, it&#8217;s gay rights that has been banged on the drum ad nauseum. &nbsp;How about addressing what&#8217;s in it for the millions who are not gay? &nbsp;</p>
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