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Bill and Hillary Clinton to the Rescue?

Joshua Green of The Atlantic asks Can Bill Clinton Save the Democrats? The question is, should he? It is amazing, but not unpredictable to anyone on this website, that two years after the derangement that swept the country to put an inexperienced academic into the White House at one of the most difficult times in our nation’s history, the Democratic Party – once so contemptuous of the Clintons – now wishes them in one way or another to save the very man who offered them such grievous insult. As Green notes:

The midterm elections are just three months away. All across the country, Democratic members of Congress are bracing for tough reelection campaigns, and doing so without a valuable asset. The sky-high approval ratings that carried Barack Obama into the White House in 2008 — and brought so many Democrats to Washington with him — have diminished, in some places greatly. Obama’s overall standing hovers around 45 percent and much lower in places like Arkansas and Missouri, where key Democrats are running in especially difficult races. That’s significant, because, as Alan Abramowitz, a political scientist at Emory University, has noted, ”When it comes to choosing candidates for Congress, it is opinions of the president’s performance that matter.” Today, many Democrats find themselves pondering a question that would have seemed unthinkable only a year ago: Does President Obama help them or hurt them?

Applied to President Clinton, that’s a much easier question to answer. He has emerged as the surrogate of choice for embattled Democrats.

Green goes on to describe Clinton’s successful efforts on behalf of Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas, Mark Critz in Pennsylvania and significantly, Andrew Romanoff in Colorado – although the White House had endorsed his Democratic rival Michael Bennet. That race is now neck and neck, thanks to Bill Clinton.

In July, according to Gallup, [Clinton’s] favorable rating exceeded Obama’s for the first time. This resurgence is all the more striking because Clinton’s image took a beating in 2008, when many Democrats, including Obama staffers and members of Congress, denounced his attacks on Obama as racist — charges that split the party and that Clinton himself bitterly denied. He appears to have overcome this, but without quite forgetting it, either. What all the candidates he has endorsed have in common is that they were early supporters of Hillary Clinton’s bid for the presidential nomination.

Clinton also seems to be quietly making a point about race. He stumped for Blanche Lincoln in the predominantly black regions of Arkansas, and endorsed Kendrick Meek, a rising African American star, in Florida’s Democratic Senate primary, even though (or maybe especially because) both had been snubbed by Obama. It’s worth noting, too, that Clinton has not campaigned for candidates like Robin Carnahan in Missouri, who could use his support, but didn’t lend theirs to his wife.

Payback. Green mentioned a party operative with ties to both Clinton and Obama who noted Clinton had reached “cruising altitude” with Obama is “still taxiing.” President Obama is box office poison at the moment and is staying away from campaigning in many local races since his presence may be doing more harm than good.

It’s hardly surprising that a president stands to play a commanding role in the fall campaign. But who would have guessed it might not be Barack Obama, but Bill Clinton?

Um. We did. Bill Clinton has his failings but he was never a flash in the pan. And he and his wife actually left the country better than they found it.

Speaking of his wife, Secretary Clinton’s name crosses pundits’ and politicians’ lips more and more of late. It seems they have a new job in mind for her – savior of Barack Obama’s presidency. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sad that these boobs are bandying her name as a replacement for Joe Biden on the 2012 ticket. Their theory being that she has “proved” she can play nice and be a good soldier, as if she has earned her keep like a good little girl and now can be “used” be save the man who has no idea what to do in the office to which he was elected.

None of these boobs can admit that she should have, and should have had, the top job in the first place.

Good luck with that.

Hillary has worked her butt off to save him on foreign policy while remaining separate and apart from the President’s domestic economic blunders.

As to the media who so abused the Clintons in 2008, who are now aching and crying for mommy and daddy to ride to the rescue of their errant son, there is a wonderful line from The Color Purple…

“Until you do right by me everything you think about is gonna crumble! …Until you do right by me, everything you even think about is gonna fail!”

So, to the pundit class, when you are ready to deliver your apologies, the line forms to the left.

  • thinker

    Much as I love Hilary, if she makes the mistake of being Obama’s VP then  it is over for me.  I think that I have got over her agreeing to be SS in his administration, but if she lowered herself being his VP, I would never vote for her again. 

  • sowsear

    I want to know when the Clintons deliver their coup de grace….

  • Justine

    I must admit, in a contest between the Clintons or Obummer, my vote would go to either Clinton — in a heartbeat!!
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  • Docelder

    You have to wonder just exactly what the Clintons are getting from enabling Obama. Obama might ought to be asking that same thing if he hasn’t already.

  • sowsear
  • Janis

    I think that might be a bridge too far for me, but for another reason.

    If she were able to negotiate it into a shot at the presidency, then I might forgive her for it.  Every decision she and her husband have made so far has been in order to allow them to pick up the shattered pieces of the Democratic party after all the damage it inflicted on itself caused it to come down.  If she could turn a Veep position into the presidency, then I might forgive her for it.

    But she can’t.  Obama is POISON, and after another 4 years, she will be too old for anyone to vote for her.  I don’t think we’ll ever see another president over the age of 50 again.

    The thing is … she’s too smart not to know all this already.  I doubt she’d take the job.

  • Eward

    This post is depressing!  Why would I want the Clintons to save Obama and the Democratic party from their job killing agenda?  More importantly, Obama and Pelosi are remaking this nation into a “welfare” state.

    I voted for Hillary, donated to her campaign, made phone calls, and blogged on her campaign website.  But, if the Clintons go ahead and somehow change the outcome with a Democratic victory, I will consider them Judas. 

       

  • sowsear

    He can’t see beyond the end of his nose…he couldn’t care less about what drives the Clintons.

  • Dario

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  • stodghie

    that article by green is fluff. bill clinton is a good politican but he cannot come out and sell us a pig in a poke. we are not buying voting for these asses who have wrought such insult and infamy to our country.

    get it through your heads, let the clintons come to us. let them apoloize for what has happened. dang what do you need to see? don’t try and project this and that. let them say it out loud. we deserve no less.

  • Peggy Sue

    I find it particularly revealing how easily these pundits and Democratic hang wringers are willing to throw yet another fellow Dem under the bus: Joe Biden.  The problem isn’t Biden despite his penchant for gaffes.  The problem is Barack Obama but few are willing to admit that, even though his personal endorsement is a kiss of death.

    I don’t find it hard to believe that Bill Clinton will return support to those Dems who stayed loyal to Hillary in 2008.  But Bill Clinton isn’t a fool, far from it.  I don’t see him running himself ragged to save Obama’s ass.  Nor should he even from a physical standpoint.  To me, he still looks drawn since that last heart problem. 

    As for Hillary running on the ticket as VP in 2012?  I don’t see that happening.  And even if she did, she could not save the goober at the top of the ticket, even though her favorability ratings are stellar. 

    Put Hillary at the top of the ticket???  Then we’ve got a horserace.  But honestly?  I don’t see that happening either. 

    Time will tell.  Thanks for the piece, Ani.

  • Daisy Mae

    Thanks, Ani.  Cannot vote for bobo even if Jesus or the Blessed Virgen Mary were the running mate.  As for Hillary running again (always will admire her), have to see the tone of the policies, because the Dims. have really screwed it up.  I do think HRC as a Pres. candidate could work bipartisanly and would, but then, that’s what bobo ran on, and he isn’t and he won’t.

  • helenk

    As much as I admire the Clintons until there is a purge of the so-called democratic party and people like brazille – palosi – reid – dean – emanuel and those of that ilk are gone, I will never vote for a democrat again.
    These people took almost 50 years of my beliefs and trashed them.

    We don’t need the people just get the checks.

    Stay home

    bitter- knitters – holding guns and clinging to their bible

    The new democratic party showed what they thought of the people of America and the people who worked for years to get dems elected.

    As far as I am concerned they can GO TO HELL. JC and the aposles could stump for them and I still would not vote for them.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • getfitnow

    I am very sensitive to the race-card pulling. I don’t get over that nor try to rationalize it.  The BO campaigned played it hard against the Clintons. Putting eveything else aside, (like destroying the country) I could never, ever trust someone who didn’t stand up against these charges. BO had an obligation to stop it and fire those that promoted it. His silence spoke loud and clear. Then the irony of Bill Clinton bringing in race during the health care debate–Carter too. I have a real problem with this.  

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    I made the calls and  donated as well. I have to admit that my husband saw through Obama before I did. He was saying “who the heck is this guy and where did he come from”?  

    He was particularly upset by the fact that those that really did fight for Civil Rights and Human Rights were either pushed aside or vilified for this unknown person that had done nothing but troll for votes.

    He’s not the political junkie I am but he’s pretty good at reading people. He predicted Obama would be a disaster for America.  He also predicted black Americans would be sorry for their blind support. Considering the unemployment rate for young black males has now doubled it looks as though he was right.

    If the Clintons try to rescue a party that is capable of inflicting this on us, as much as I like them, I’m done.

  • Tricia

    The Clintons are gems.  Humans, but gems nonetheless.  We knew it all along.

  • Michelle

    I was a life long Democrat until 08 with the DNC selecting Obama by voter fraud and intimidation and God only knows what else. I am now Tea Party along with 60 per cent or more of former Dems because of this. I voted for Bill twice, and Hillary I had to write in as a protest vote here in FL.  Yes, Hillary and Bill we do miss the peace and the prosperity. Why should those two have to save this corrupt Democratic party which needs a major purge anyway. Now if they joined the Tea Party (which was Democrat ideals not so long ago) that would be cool.
    We are a center right nation-the DNC is such a mess due in part to the chicanery of Obama/Reid/Pelosi and other incompetent/corrupt enablers.

  • EllenD

    she will be too old for anyone to vote for her.  I don’t think we’ll ever see another president over the age of 50 again. 

    Oh knock it off! I’m running companies and I’m 5 years older than Hillary.
    What’s wrong with this country is its youth worship?

  • EllenD

    Oh knock it off! I’m running 3 companies and I’m 5 years older than Hillary. Hillary would do just fine!

  • EllenD

    They’re not doing it to enable Obama. They’re putting Clinto supporters into office. Makes sense to me.

  • wodiej

    Bill Clinton nor Hillary can do anything to save the Democrats now.  If they had not rubbed elbows with Obama after he trashed them then they would have some credibility.  But they did so they don’t. 

  • arabella trefoil

    EllenD – Sing out, sister! My Mom is 83 and she still works!

    I’m 58 and I’m going back to school to get a second degree. I have more stamina, focus, and discipline than kids less than half my age. I have more common sense too.

  • arabella trefoil

    It’s possible that Obama is already tired of being president. Maybe Hillary can “help him out.”

    If you know what I’m saying.

  • FLDemFem

    The only way that the Democratic Party can be saved by the Clintons if the Democratic Party nominates Hillary for President instead of Obama in 2012. If the Dems run Obama again, they are toast.

  • jmm915

    Ellen D, I can’t speak for Janis, but I understand what she means.  I don’t doubt HRC could do the job in 2016, but our youth oriented culture will consider her too old.  She’d be a few years younger than McCain was in 2008 and people seemed to be waiting for him to keel over on the campaign trail.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

     that two years after the derangement that swept the country to put an inexperienced academic into the White House
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    Inexperienced is an adjective with which I concur. The noun academic is a false label. He isn’t an academic at all for if he were, he might actually look at the information he is being provided, actually analyze it, and make some sort of effort to rectify the situation(s). He hasn’t because he is a hustler. That One isn’t an academic–he’s a charlatan.

    Wanna buy a watch?

  • Peggy Sue

    Indeed! 

    If Obama were to beg off because of cratering poll numbers or illness, maybe Hillary would take another go.  And personally, I think she’s the only one on the scene right now that would have a tinker’s chance of stopping the party tailspin.  But I don’t see Clinton challenging.  it would be political suicide.  I also don’t see Obama backing off.  His ambition and ego are far greater than his talents [whatever they are].  And the Democratic leadership is too arrogant to admit they made a whopping mistake.  Obama will have to be booted out or creamed in 2012. 

    This is the House that Lies built.  

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Actually, Baby Doc is the best advertisement for over 50 Presidents I can imagine. 

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I agree, wodiej.  Sometimes things are just simple aren’t they? 

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    So she can be President by default?  No thanks.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    No one can really be experienced at being POTUS beforehand but could we at least have a smart patriot who puts the interests of the USA first and knows who to have as support and back-up?  I saw Trump today on Cavuto talking about the trade deficit…he knows what to do for the economy.  Why isn’t he utilized?

    When what you’re doing isn’t working, get out of denial and stop doing it.  Pretty simple and straightforward.

  • Ani

    No kidding!  Hillary ain’t my great grandmama’s 60 — people are living longer and looking great.  We’ll just see what we will see come 2012 or 2016.

    Thanks for chiming in, ladies!

  • Ani

    Nobody is saying they should do any of this — I hope you know that my post is merely to point out what these ungrateful pundits and politicians want them to do.

  • Ani

    Rubbed elbows?  I respect your views but I have to disagree with your assessment.  I for one am grateful that Hillary is serving as SoS and I shudder to think what bozo would be doing the job if she were not there doing so well — we need help.  There is more t stake in this country and outside it than just watching someone fail.  The Clintons are still, in their way, doing whatever they can to serve their country under the circumstances.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I’m Barack Obama and I don’t know about you but I….

  • OBSP

    Payback is a “bit_h.”  I look back two years ago when Jesse Jr was threatening the CBC to support Bambi or else he would run a canidate against them.  He also went on MsN BS saying that Hillary did not cry for the Katerina victims after she was emotional in NH.  Now not only did he not get the IL seat, but he has be implicated in the Blago scandle and of course he joins a host of others under the Obamas Bus.
    Bill is supporting Romonoff in CO against Bambi’s choosen one Bennett.  I sent a small contribution to Romonoff the other day in honor of Hillary.
    I truly hope that Bill does not save his ass, but he just may for the country.

  • seattlegonz

    If Hillary runs for president in the future she needs “super delegates” on her side. One could conjecture that Bill is advocating for those who came out for Hillary in 2008…however, equally plausible is that he’s advocating for those who will support her in 2012!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    This Oblahblah-run ship of state needs to be driven into the nearest reef and soon. If HRC/WJC can pull it off, power to them. But they have some ‘splainin’ to do. I am not in a mood for the old we’re-Democrats routine.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    You’re making a brave assumption that the DNC actually gives a rat’s scrawny backside about what the rabble that makes up the party thinks. 32 years was enough for me so I took a hike. Fuck the democrats and the jackasses they ride in on.

  • seattlegonz

    I’m not so sure about your assessment of BO. (Well, I agree he has great ambition and ego in excess of talent, for sure.) He has absolutely no interest in the job of president, he only likes the role of people standing before him and lauding him. I think he discovered that the job of president is more job than appointing royalty, and I don’t think he’s that interested. He could do something spectacular like become a supreme court justice or get a tv show or become a moview star…whatever. Whatever he does after being president will be on his terms, make him money and he can give lectures and be adored by people.

    Plus, it seems that something might be going on in his marriage that I’m not sure will work for re-election. Meaning if Michelle isn’t there to incite him, he won’t have the energy.

    There’s no way he runs and loses…that would make him forever like Carter and not like Reagan, the guy he so admires. (Don’t get me started on how stupid Dem “leaders”  are or were to not recognize that the only successful Dem president in the past 50 years has been Bill Clinton…and his wife would be better. Ugh…I’m so mad at the rbc and ohter frakkers.)

  • sowsear

    Maybe he’s tired of being prez, but will his handlers let him go without using their bags of tricks to keep him/them in power. Or….did they use him to get the Repubs back into power quickly?

  • getfitnow

    Right on!  During the primaries, That One had to go on vacation. He was running out of gas. Hillary appeared stronger and more vibrant as the days (very long days) went on. He also couldn’t keep up with McCain.

    I really would like to know his real health condition.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Under 50 takeover!? ROFLMAO

    We’ve already seen and felt the damage inflicted by the under 50 crowd. No thanks!  My dad was 92 before he finally quit putting in 15 hour days!

    America’s culture is oriented to the baby boomers – and we’ve never figured out how to get old!  

    We watched a “cutting edge” new band on Jimmy Fallon last night.  It was recycled ’70′s shyt…not an original or innovative thing about them.

    If Lady GAGa  is the best – after all she’s recyled Madonna in so many ways – that the youth can do…all you can say is it’s pitiful.

    Just think, the new generation did nothing by recycle old ’60s radials and ’70′s Jimmy Carter…

    That kind of crapola doesn’t run a prosperous country!

  • PssttCmere

    obama’s goal is to be saved and to hell with everyone else.  And, we better keep a close eye on him lest he try to ensconce Wm. Ayers in his cabinet now that he is retiring.  I do not trust barry one whit!!!

    “Say What You Will….It Feels So Good”

    http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

  • Olivia1998

    I’m not so sure Hillary can save the Dem’s now.  She has come out with comments backing him “Americans should share more” a paper on Saul Alinsky.  I’m not in a hurry to back Hillary and/or the Dem’s

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    A thousand times in agreement, Annie Soda Cracker!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    There is more t stake in this country and outside it than just watching someone fail.
    ====================
    I disagree. That One and his henchmen MUST fail so we never have to endure this sort of incompetence again. Shrub was bad but this is worse. I don’t need and will not accept gum-beating in lieu of sound leadership. I will not accept false cries of racism where none exists. I will not accept pedestrian leadership when we can have so much better. We posstpone the inevitable if we allow this sort of mismanagement to continue.

    Obama = failure.

  • getfitnow

    I read that, starting with Eisenhower, every POTUS’s has had between  30%+ to almost 60% advisors/cabinet officers with private sector experience. That One has only 8%.

    Trump believes in free enterprise. These fools don’t roll like that.

  • sowsear

    I don’t think I’d choose Trump for anything either. He’s a phony who has caged his way through some tricky financial deals including with the Pritzker Family (Penny Pritzker is the Obama financial and sub-prime mortgage queen).

  • sowsear
  • getfitnow

    There’s a rep from NY, named Meeks, I think. Black guy. During the primaries he said just because President Clinton’s office was in Harlem, he best not think Harlem is his plantation. Unbelievable. But, He’s under investigation for something too. Karma, baby! :-P

  • arabella trefoil

    No, that’s not what I meant.

  • arabella trefoil

    seattlegonz – I totally agree with you. I am shocked at how quickly the Obamas seem to be falling apart as a couple. They were not ready for prime time, so to speak.

    No matter what I think about Michelle, I’ve always believed that she is the power behind the throne. Without Michelle’s support and toughness, Obama would not be where she is today.

    There is too much going on behind the scenes within the Obama family – stuff we don’t know about.

    One way or another, Obama will be out of the picture sooner rather than later. Look how thin he is getting. I don’t think he has the stamina to last out four years, even if they wheeled him around on a hand-truck like Hannibal Lecter.

    I salute Hillary for serving her country. After all she and her supporters went through, it took tremendous strength of character and patriotism for her to accept SOS.

    Country before party, always. Hillary is a true patriot.

    I hope that she runs for election in 2012. We need her.

  • arabella trefoil

    Hillary can save her country. Never mind about the party.

  • seattlegonz

    I couldn’t agree more arabella!

  • Docelder

    What’s her country? Maybe she would stand up for a delegate count to save her country. Maybe it’ will be New Kenya. I don’t know anymore.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Trump should have spoken up earlier. He’s making money and doesn’t reaslly care.

    He also needs to find a new rug.

  • arabella trefoil

    Hillary Clinton is a patriotic American.

  • Olivia1998

    I agree.  Hillary Clinton is Patriotic American which is more then I would say the Obama’s.  But……..I’m not sure her idea of America is mine anymore.  She does love America her vision of it anyway and at this point I have to say we part ways.

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  • EllenD

    Has anyone noticed the music played in the stores when you’re shopping? Talk about over 50! I hear stuff that my mother liked.
    Hip Hop? Rap? Please.
    As Buzz says “If that’s the best that youth can do, it’s pitiful.”

    BTW – When you hear the songs from the 50s to the 80s in to stores, imagine how you would have felt back then if the stores had been playing songs that were 30 to 60 years old!

  • EllenD

    Maybe Hillary can “help him out.”

    As they used to say “Let me help you out. Which way did you come in?”

  • Clara

    Helen, I think that the vacuum of Democratic leadership that the Clintons left in 2000 was quickly filled with some of these current clowns.  If the Clintons made a play to re-enter a race for the WH and they won (Hillary), you wouldn’t see anymore Brazilles, Emanuels, and especially Nancy and Harry.  King and Queen of the Congress were never Hillary supporters.  They conspired to put Zero in office and to shut the door on Hillary.  I’d vote for her because they would quickly scurry away. :-D

  • Ghosts of Toyko and Dresden

    As medical science marches forward, older people will continue to perform at exceptional levels. And it doesn’t hurt that older folks tend to have very strong ethics. I hope 80 becomes the new 20.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    WJC and HRC will do nothing so long as the mouth-breathers that constitute the voting public fall for the used-car-salesman approach to politics. Bush and That One did not get into office through their looks. No, they bamboozled the electorate, many of whom wanted to be bamboozled. It is not the boneheads who run for office that worry me–it is the gullible electorate. If I am wrong, then give me a logical reason why this country would go from a right-wing nutbag to a left-wing nutbag in one election cycle.

  • Clara

    Arabella, I fully agree on Hillary as a patriot would vote for her as well.  Just curious, though on your comments that there’s ‘too much going on behind the scenes within the Obama family-stuff we don’t know about’.  Is this based on more than the birthday separation or the icky nuzzling video? 

    He does look rather like a bag of bones and she was going out of her way to appear continental and cool with a big mouthed grin so the Zero would be sure to see her having a great time without him.

  • Kendallj

    Yah! He smokes too much. It tires him out.

  • wbboei

    Hillary will be tempted to accept this vice presidential nomination and it is very important that she say no.  Categorically no.  I have listed a number of reasons on another article.  Forget about this impeachment talk–he will not be impeached.  If the Republicans did that his supporters would burn down the cities.  They know that and will opt for other means.  2012 is shaping up to be a Republican year.  Gingrich will be the candidate.  How do I know? Obama is a flake, the dims who survive 2010 will rally around him and all the economic trend lines are down arrows.  Obama is an intelligent man.  The problem is he is stupid.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    I agree Olivia.  The dem brand of politics has been heavily damaged just as it was after Johnson’s VietNam War and Carter’s severe ineptitude.

    While everything is inter-connective, their inability to make things better had the country running into the arms of the GO”"P.

    It’s not much different now.

  • Peggy Sue

    This is the mystery that continues to bewilder me, Ferd! After 8 long, insufferable years, we get . . . this, again. And yes, you have to conclude that voters “wanted” to be hoodwinked.  Or they went into some kind of trance, which seems to be lifting.  Sadly, it’s a tad late.  

  • Tony Stark

    It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush, and George Bush III (aka B.O.) is no different from his predecessors in the amount of poo he spreads.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    The Clintons will regain my attention when they reveal all they know about Barry O’s history…

    Come on, you know that had the goods on him, but it became more important to them to elect a democrat in 2008 than to be upfront with the country.

  • sowsear

    He smokes and drinks, has a history of using, plus language/memory problems…he has a long scar from one ear to the crown of his head, flies and bees hone in on him, he drags one leg, he is losing weight..what ever could be wrong?

  • Clara

    Doug Wilder recently wrote an article for Politico urging Obama to dump Biden.  Shortly after that, he was on Hardball (I swear, I was in the car and about to change the channel when this conversation came up.  Otherwise, I can’t manage Chris Matthews) with Chris ranting about what in the world was Wilder thinking.  The irrelevant old politician claimed it would set up the Democrats to take the WH in 2016.  His thinking was that no way could Joe Biden be elected to succeed O, but Hillary could. 

    Wilder was very rude to Hillary when she went to his town for the Dems Fundraiser in 2008 along with O.  He spoke right before she came on, and did not welcome her to his city and proceeded to heartily endorse O.  Hillary supporters in the crowd were mortified and furious.  So screw Douglas Wilder for proposing to insert Hillary into place to save the party in 2016. 

  • Peggy Sue

    Wilder also had no problem blaming Joe Biden for all the Dems problems in that essay, something I find absolutely ridiculous.  The problem of leadership and decision-making is at the top.  But, of course, none of these Dems, who were so quick to label the Clintons racists, are willing to admit that. The very couple they trashed in 2008, the Clintons, are suppose to come running to the rescue now?

    Infuriating! I’d be tempted to spit on all of them. Which is why I’d never be elected to an office. :)

  • JayD

    Lord knows I like HRC but I’m still not charmed with her connections to Obama.  I, like so many people I know, am unable to play those political games of jumping into bed with the enemy (metaphorically … and probably literally depending upon who one is referring to.)  Frankly, I think politics is a very nasty business but it is like the weather: we got to live with it.  Any attempts by HRC to assist Obama in getting re-elected will simply piss me off and I will think less of her because of it.  It is an automatic gut reaction to how much I dislike Obama and his drooling followers.   Anyone who helps him knowing full well what a fool he is, I have issues with.  It makes no difference to me that she has to play political games to stay with DNC gang.   To me a little backbone goes a long way.   I would make one hell of a lousy politician.

  • Docelder

    That is the kind of horsehockey that makes me know the Clintons are the same as Obama. Empty things Hillary says like that… and “What didn’t you like… the peace or the prosperity”? Just words. Hyperbole and words. Then there is being named after Sir Edmund hillary supposedly and being under fire with Sinbad. Just like Obama being born because of Selma. Exactly the same empty crap. No, the sad truth is the Clintons are the same thing as the Obamas. If we have to relive the Clintons but this time with Hillary gone wild instead of Bill… no thanks. Give me the devil I know. I have seen enough heart wrenching change.

  • Docelder

    He took a lot of Bill Clinton’s old people truth be told. Koolaid is koolaid folks.

  • Docelder

    I think Bill and Hillary used Obama. I think they knew these years would be hard. I think they knew radical change would be pushed and they wanted Obama to take the heat for it. I further think the Clintons have no issues with this agenda. They just don’t want to own it.

  • Steve1

    Hillary Clinton, 2012….Hilllary Clinton, 2016!  For thwe sack of the country!

  • sowsear

    Without Michelle’s support and toughness, Obama would not be where she is today.  


    She said he is pathetic….

  • donjo

    For the “SACK” of the country indeed. SOMEONE needs to step in and save us from ourselves – and the greedmongers that will continue to screw us “little people” as long as they can get away with it.  Now where is that pitchfork?

    by Matt Taibbi at Rolling Stone

    [Very tiny snippies of a very long article.]

    . . . But Dodd-Frank was neither an FDR-style, paradigm-shifting reform, nor a historic assault on free enterprise. What it was, ultimately, was a cop-out, a Band-Aid on a severed artery. If it marks the end of anything at all, it represents the end of the best opportunity we had to do something real about the criminal hijacking of America’s financial-services industry. During the yearlong legislative battle that forged this bill, Congress took a long, hard look at the shape of the modern American economy – and then decided that it didn’t have the stones to wipe out our country’s one dependably thriving profit center: theft. . . .

    . . . All of this is great, but taken together, these reforms fail to address even a tenth of the real problem. Worse: They fail to even define what the real problem is. Over a long year of feverish lobbying and brutally intense backroom negotiations, a group of D.C. insiders fought over a single question: Just how much of the truth about the financial crisis should we share with the public? Do we admit that control over the economy in the past dec ade was ceded to a small group of rapacious criminals who to this day are engaged in a mind- numbing campaign of theft on a global scale? Or do we pretend that, minus a few bumps in the road that have mostly been smoothed out, the clean-hands capitalism of Adam Smith still rules the day in America? In other words, do people need to know the real version, in all its majestic whorebotchery, or can we get away with some bullshit cover story?

    In passing Dodd-Frank, they went with the cover story. . . .

  • Ani

    Your point is well taken however, by Hillary doing her job, she keeps rising and makes those who don’t or who are incompetent look bad.  The rest of the country has to keep functioning even if the exec branch is in over its head.

  • Ani

    “Academic” is his pose, however.

  • Peggy Sue

    I doubt she’d take the job as veep but her age has nothing to do with it. 

  • sowsear

    How are we going to purge all of the convention delegates, the states’ Attorney Generals, the DNC, the judges, the town, county, city, and state officials, the newspapers, TV networks, columnists, voters, foreign and domestic campaign contributors, Bilderbergers, etc. who made Obama’s presidency possible. They’re still out there!

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    That’s why I said “if” not “when”. No offense intended.

  • lauraks

    Ani,

    I always appreciate your point of view.Hillary Clinton is well versed in how the best often doesn’t win.As a realist she continues to work on the inside to “do the most good”. She has a well  defined moral compass and it is  incredible  what she has accomplished on the world stage. I admire her tremendously.I don’t in any way fault her for not taking her marbles and going home after the debacle that was the 2008 election. The talent she possesses is ,to me. vitally needed by this country.

    President Obama is missing the empathy chip. Something happened to him probably in his formative years, who knows, that makes it impossible for him to think about anything but himself(though he does display genuine affection for his daughters).Clearly “reporters” & others are loathe to criticize him. They minimize,deny or otherwise discount Obama’s severe deficiencies of character,purpose, leadership, etc.

    The Clinton’s can’t save him.Nancy Pelosi is as truly obtuse as he is as well as possessed of a tin ear when it comes to extravagance(private jet home on our tab when she is married to extreme wealth). The disconnect in my mind between the democratic party of the “common man” to this cynical, paternalistic, insulting one today has led me to conclude that I’m without a party. I would never vote for Hillary to be his vp because it is the  wrong thing to do.Opinions vary but Obama seems never to be the one who is responsible for anything. That is unless he tells you of some success you haven’t actually experienced in your own life.

    I recognize we all have our failings but the point is does our president have our backs,truly advocate for our country? I think we know who has done that by their actions.I take Hillary Clinton at her word she won’t run but if Obama were to conclude(which I do not expect at all because he likes the trappings too much) he would serve only one term I’d be thrilled to support another run. I don’t know if given her husband’s heart trouble and the disastrous deficit if that is a realistic scenario.

  • lorac

    But Obama never had a history of working in a bipartisan fashion – not much of a work history at all, in fact.  So, when he campaigned on working in a bipartisan fashion, it was more lies.

    Hillary DOES have a history of working across the aisle, and during her time as senator, worked with and got the respect of many republicans.  Remember, the best way of judging someone’s future behavior is by their past behavior.  Hillary’s past behavior was of a worker-bee, of working across the aisle, and of being for the regular people, not the elite.

  • lorac

    wbboei – That strikes me as a very rigid view, very black and white, yes, very simplistic.  I would guess that what is going on in Washington and in the Clinton’s mind is anything but simple. 

  • jbjd

    D, maybe it’s as simple as the fact, notwithstanding she knew the reasons he did not belong in the WH; the people nevertheless elected him into office.  She will not abandon the country just because of the stupidity of millions of her voters.

  • arabella trefoil

    Clara – you cited a couple of examples that lead me to the conclusion that there’s trouble in the Obama paradise. But I believe there is even more to the story than that.

    I’ll write more about this topic when I have the time to gather my evidence.

    One way to look at it is this – people who have gone through trial by fire are usually stronger and better at dealing with stress than people who have had things handed to them. I am a firm believer in the uses of adversity.

  • arabella trefoil

    I love that photo. Matrimonial bliss! By the way, I meant to say

    “Without Michelle’s support and toughness, Obama would not be where he is today.”

    Michelle punishes Obama by leaving him to his own devices. Hence the trips without him. I can imagine Michelle thinking/saying “OK, buster. Let’s see how well you do without me to prop you up.” I’ll bet she resents his inner circle, and his inner circle resents her.

    She has a lot of resentment and anger. Underneath it all, she feels as if she’s not good enough. Nobody did her any favors by putting her into schools where she couldn’t cope with the academic pressure.

    The Obamas fooled a lot of people (including the DLC) into believing they are something they’re not. They are not ready for the roles they were thrust into. Chicago (as rotten as it is) is a fish tank compared with the treacherous ocean that is Washington DC.

  • Bonnie Jean Burris

    “Payback” reminds me of someone I haven’t thought of in a long time: Taylor Marsh. After she had endorsed Obama, she said there would be payback for Hillary if she did not suspend her campaign. I was on her blog everyday for months (and if I remember correctly you were as well Ani?), and that day was the last time I ever went there. Whatever happened to her? Was she properly paid for her treachery?

  • Benjamin

    Personally, it would give me great joy to see Bill Clinton tell the Obamacrats to pound sand.  In addition to trying to smear the Clintons as racists, the Obama campaign pushed the narrative that Bill was a drag on Hillary’s candidacy and would have a negative effect on her presidency – and the media more than went along.  It got so bad that Bill at one point just quit talking to the press at all.

    My own involvement in that primary wound up being kind of a political awakening for me.  I was a Reagan Democrat and I also liked and voted for Bill Clinton.  But I must confess that the things I liked most about Bill were his more conservative policies – like the fiscal responsibility he exhibited when the GOP took congress in ’94.  In sum, through the process of opposing Obama I’ve kind of “come out of the closet” as a conservative, on just about every issue.

    Even if Obama were to step down and Hillary ran in 2012, I don’t think I could vote for her.  I think if our republic is going to survive, we need someone who will truly be committed to reducing the scope and size of an out-of-control federal government.  Our current fiscal course is simply unsustainable, and I truly fear that our children, and their children may be facing a future of limited opportunities and a reduced standing of living.

  • Benjamin

    Heh, I also hung out a lot at Taylor’s blog during the primary.  She currently has a blog but she’s now in Washington.  I guess she wants to become one the elite political class.  I don’t think her blog is very prominent.  The majority of the Hillary supporters left her when she turned to Obama, and the Bots never trusted her after the primary

  • FLDemFem

    Obama apparently decided to run for President shortly after the announcement of how much the Clintons had made since they left office. The Clintons left office $3 million in debt from legal bills and a few years later were worth about $100 million due to their best-selling books, and Bill’s speaking engagements. When this was made public, Obama’s announcement of his candidacy followed shortly thereafter. I always thought that it was the greed for that sort of money rather than the urge to serve the people that got the Obamas into the presidential race. Obama has already said he wouldn’t mind being a one-term president, so I am thinking his plan is to try to do the same as the Clintons did, get rich with books and speaking engagements. However, after his term, who would want to listen to him or read his book?? The problem with that plan is that even people who didn’t like Bill Clinton politically do like him personally, he is a very nice and charming man. Obama, not so much. Bill Clinton is also extremely intelligent, it shows every time he opens his mouth and he doesn’t talk down to people either. Obama, on the other hand, can’t think or talk on his feet without a teleprompter, and has no personal charm, thinks he is better than everyone and that comes across in his attitude. I really think that greed is what got the Obamas into the presidential race and I think he will not have a second term, won’t want to risk a loss with the polls where they are. I think they will try to do the book/speech thing for money like the Clintons did, and fail miserably because neither of them have the talent or intelligence to pull it off.

  • creeper

    Damn, that was a depressing article.  Hard to believe Blanche Lincoln gutted her own proposal.

    And to think it only cost Wall Street $600 million to render the financial deform bill toothless.  What a bargain.

    Thanks anyway, donjo.

  • Docelder

    I worry about my kids futures as well. I am more of a libertarian leaning republican. We haven’t had anybody I liked since Reagan. Bill started off like a tax and spend big goverment President also. But the shift in 1994 saved his presidency. I don’t believe now after seeing how the Clintons enable Obama that any of the successes Bill gets credit for was really Bill. I think it was more Newt than Bill. I am hoping for Newt or Palin to be another Reagan. That is what we need. America needs a President that believes in our people and not in government. The Clintons (it takes a village) and (the village includes teachers and government entities like americorps) well they aren’t any hope at all. We have that right now and it has turned into a perpetual crisis machine. This administration is a lot like an abusive spouse or parent really. Beat the spouse and then give them something to make up for it. Everybody has seen that scenario. We are all being abused right now whether we realize it yet or not.

  • trixta

    The thought of HRC saving BO’s presidency is so insulting!! (Some of us had predicted this scenario a year ago.)    But let’s just say that HRC takes the VP spot in 2012.  Three interesting scenarios come to mind:

    1)  She takes the VP spot only on condition that BO will resign for health reasons, etc. before his term is over.  (This wouldn’t even have to be kept from the public; it could even be part of the campaign.) ;)  

    2) The voters cast their votes ONLY for HRC on the ballot and leave the Presidential spot blank.  What happens, in this case, if she gets substantially more votes than BOTH OBAMA and the Repub presidential challenger (but the Repub challenger gets more votes than BO?)  I imagine, the Dem ticket & the Dems would still lose the election, but it would be a humiliating defeat for BO.   LOL!!

    3)  OR, better still, what if voters just WRITE HER IN for the top spot and write in BO for VP?   (Another LOL!! This scenario would  be the only way I’d vote for that Dem 2012 ticket!)  Would these election results be official?  Or would the Dems say the voters were “confused,” and would the DNC then give him her votes anyway?

  • steve1

    SAKE………………

  • EWard

    Docelder

    “A perpetual crisis machine”  the brand name of Obama’s agenda.

    Great post!

  • seattlegonz

    How do you know Hillary didn’t fight for a delegate count? The people who ran the convention weren’t going to have it…what was she supposed to do?

    People keep talking about how Hillary should’ve done more to stand up to BO, and I think, “are you serious?” No one in America did more to stand up to BO than Hillary. She continued to campaign, a grueling process, despite the fact that the media was calling her a sore loser, a landslide loser, a troublemaker, etc. (plus many more horrible names) and she continued to express her belief that BO wasn’t ready to be president, that his healthcare plan was wrong and that the times were too perilous to put him in charge. That was her message, she delivered it over and over again, and the press ignored her only to focus on whether sniper fire was the correct way to describe the shots fired in Bosnia 20 years ago.

    Hillary had lost two good friends prior to the convention, had campaigned for a year and a half, uphill the whole way, and had been told by her super delegate supporters that they were all going to support BO (plus, whatever else went on, like they were going to be destroyed if she fought any more.) Even though it was completely bogus, on the surface it looked like BO had stolen enough delegate votes to make his nomination possible. Hillary would’ve been destroyed personally, and professionally, as would her friends, if she fought for something that wouldn’t accomplish anything. (And, I believe would’ve put people in danger.) So, she didn’t call for a delegate count, but she never gave up her voice to speak for those who supported her.

  • seattlegonz

    The difference in this case is that Hillary ran as a Dem against BO’s brand of Dem politics. And, she ran hard and long. Assuming BO doesn’t run again, and Hillary does in 2012, she’ll be ideally positioned to run as the non-gop, non-bo democrat. She wouldn’t have as easy a time as she would’ve in 2008…but, in some ways, the campaign against BO will work well to establish her position as a centrist democrat.

  • seattlegonz

    What I mean about centrist democrat is that Hillary is fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

  • seattlegonz

    I think Hillary’s mode of governance is to funnel money to the states and let them create jobs and attrack business and provide services to the people. She doesn’t believe that government is equipped to manage localities. The role of government is to make sure that states uphold the consitution and provide equal opportunity and protection to all.

    Of course the one exception is health care which is upside down in that the poorest people can’t afford regular health care and so are using the hospital system for basic care. Something needs to be done so that hospitals aren’t treating routine health problems and the less wealthy in America are getting adequate health coverage for themselves and their families.

  • bamaLV

    i wonder what obaME thinks of all those rumors about hillary  challenging him in 2012.  it must be killing him that both clintons are more popular than he is.  another scenario would be if the reps. take both houses, the country will start calling for impeachment.  not able to stand the humiliation, obame will step down and biden will choose hillary as vp then retire. putting her in the top spot for 2012.we must make sure to never again give so much power to one party. so if the reps. control both houses, then and only then will a dem have a chance to be president. anyone but obaME that is.

  • bamaLV

    as an independent, recently switched from a dem i  hope the gop does NOT give us choices like gingrich, huckabee, romney or palin. we dont need any already ran and lost candidates.how about some new faces. someone with no baggage, no favors owed, and the right type of experience. a governor maybe.anyone but the same old faces that we didnt want to begin with.

  • Bonnie Jean Burris

    Any bad news about her is good news.

  • rosa

    I think of the vacation thing from primary EVERY time Bo takes another one and when mo takes one its even worse!  makes me laugh at the lack of stamina on the young folks.

  • seattlegonz

    oye—attract

  • beachnan

    Yea, you could tell they were really trying to lose that election/selection of 2008.  Not!!!  Hillary worked her ass off.  I can’t believe you would even suggest that.

  • Ani

    Lauraks,

    Thanks so much for your thoughtful post.  I don’t think either Clinton will “save” him.  I don;t think that is their agenda.  Their agenda has to do with helping the country and perhaps even resurrecting or reclaiming their party or moving it to a more sensible left of center.

      And I do not prescribe either one of them bailing him out (nor do I think they can) but yes, I do think that putting country first is always the way to go which is why I look at their actions through that particular lens.

    I too would support her for another run — but if she ever got on his ticket (I don’t think she will), I could not vote for it.  He doesn’t know what he is doing — that fact has not changed in two years.  Or if he does know what he’s doing — what he’s doing is not an agenda that is working for us.

  • Ani

    Yes Benjamin and Bonnie, I was on that blog too during the primary — it was the first time I ever posted anything.  I was very upset when she turned on Hillary supporters the way she did.  She was accredited at the Convention and did not want to lose that accreditation by pissing off Obama supporters.  She called him out on the carept day and night and then overnight, embraced him.  Now she’s back to telling it like it is about him — too late.  We are gone for good.

  • Clintons are Paid Schills

    The Clinton Foundation is suppressing the cure for AIDS and various other diseases that infect those in less fortunate countries.  The Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex creates and profits from the epidemics that they infect produce themselves…while paying others to look the other directions.  Unfortunately Hillary has been seen meeting in private with the Bilderberg Organization, which SHOULD HAVE signed and sealed her departure from political office (Violation of the Logan Act).  It further proves that Federal employees are above the law and her collaboration with such organizations show proof of the true intentions of the Clinton Foundation…depopulation.  We are a republic not a aristocracy…there are 307 to 309 million people to choose from, officials are not elected but CHOSEN….I give the Electoral College as proof in that manner and the Bohemian Club (reg Nixon & Reagan Pres. Election) all documented by the way….It’s all a huge chess game and they’re 20 moves ahead of 95% of us! 

  • Dem or Rep NO DIFFERENCE!

    BOTH parties are responsible for the current condition of this country.  BOTH parties will bitch about one an another (just lipservice). BOTH parties when given the opportunity to reverse UNJUST LAWS, no matter how remedial the law may be or even as severe to violation constitutional rights……STILL do nothing, BUT push more laws, statues, and codes instilling more privileges and not RIGHTS!  Everyone THINK   please……  

  • cameoanne

    But I don’t actually believe “the people” elected him into office.   If they had actually counted the delegate votes at the Democratic Convention in Denver, Hillary would have been the Democratic nominee.