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The Tale Of One Honor Killing In The United States

By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on August 9, 2010 at 1:30 PM in Abuse, Crime, Current Affairs, Death Threats, Islam, Sharia Law, Texas, Women and Children

This is a disturbing issue, one I have addressed before, but sadly, one that continues to rear its ugly head. It is hard to believe this is happening here, but it is (h/t to Harp for mentioning this series).

Let me warn you, this is not for the faint of heart, to put it mildly. It is disturbing, horrifying, shocking, maddening, and saddening. Be forewarned.

Here is Part 1:



Wow. This woman marrying someone she hardly knew at the age of 15. Someone who was twice her age. Why was her father, her parents, so willing to allow this? Money. Or, at least the promise of money, it seems. That is disturbing in and of itself.

But then you add the level of battering this woman endured. Not too long into the marriage, Tissy endured occasional, then daily, batterings. The shame she experienced as a result of the beatings helped to keep her imprisoned in this relationship. That part of Tissy’s story is all too familiar to those who have worked with victims of domestic violence.

But it doesn’t end there. Here is Part 2:

I don’t know about you, but this is about all I can stomach at one time. What a deeply disturbing tale. Battering, incest, stalking, threats of violence, even death. I wish I could tell you this level of violence against women and girls in the United States was unprecedented. But it is not. And this is by far not the only honor killing in the US.

More on this in the days to come.

  • Daisy Mae

    Thanks, Amy, so much for this article.  It is one of my “missions” to inform people about this issue.  Phyllis Chesler has done good research on honor killings vs. domestic violence.  This is her second piece: #mce_temp_url#

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I hope there is a mandatory death sentence for any “honor” killing.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    RRRA,  All this is beyond horrible.  It’s important to know about these stories.  It’s the kind of thing that makes us paranoid.  I know that if I had a daughter, I would be prejudiced and wouldn’t care about being prejudiced or about being called a racist.  I would do all I could to prevent her from getting close to a Muslim boy.  Damn “multiculturalism” when it means you might have to bury a daughter.  I wouldn’t allow myself to be “convinced” that the boy was non-practicing, etc.   I am sorry, but this is what it comes down to.

    Until there are no more “honor” killings in the entire Muslim world, I would not let my child near a Muslim boy.

  • AbigailAdams

    Diana:  There’s no two ways about it for my husband and I.  We would never let our only child date or marry a Muslim if we can help it.  Until the so-called “moderate” Muslim community makes a full-throated united condemnation of extremist Muslim practices, it’s just too big a risk.  And they haven’t and they won’t.  And if anyone here wants to make a charge of bigotry against me, bring it.  Unless you’ve got a child who means everything to you and will risk her life for the sake of being liked for your tolerance and ”we are the world, we are the children” viewpoint, you would have no merit to your argument.

    The Said childrens’ life was taken from them by a demented man who was probably aided by his brothers.  And now his remaining child lives in Egypt — undoutedly with Said Sr.    

  • skeeter

    This is what Obama helped sponsor when he sent the $23,000,000 to Kenya to help them gain the votes for not only abortion but also the establishment of the Muslim Sharria law.

  • Breeze

    -

    I love your articles, RRRAmy.  You are the best!

    But this topic and related Islamic practices I simply cannot handle.

  • EllenD

    You’re right RRRA. This makes me sick to my stomach.

    Where are the sanctuaries for these girls and women? Are there any?

  • Tamara Cracker

    That story on FOX is gruesome.  And Pamela Geller has been fighting to get these stories out for years now.
    Just look at this gallery of victims, and weep for these poor women.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    You’re right, Tamara, Pamela has been working to bring this horrendous practice to light.  Thanks for highlighting her work.

  • newman

    Hello American folks.

    Please remember these three Islamic Terrorists/Suicide bombers from Malaysia.

    Send them to Guantanamo Camp if found traveling in the USA!

    <a href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Ao84HsGFo”>The most racist/corrupt Islamic bastard in the world-Malaysia Hitler no:1</a>

    <a href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzODG-wvyZM&feature=related”>Malaysian Hitler no:2</a>

    <a href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcJ3FGjwfBg”>Malaysia Hitler No:3</a>

    <a href=”http://timthinksthat.net/2010/03/30/instant-classic-ibrahim-ali-talks-shit-literally-in-al-jazeera-interview/”>Hitler no:3 is talking shit</a>

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I completely understand, Breeze.  Domestic violence is difficult anyway, but especially this kind of religiously sanctioned assault on women/girls.  Horrifying.

    I know, EllenD – it is difficult to watch.  I will wait a few more days to post the conclusion of this program for that very reason.

    Great comments, friends!

  • Tamara Cracker

    Thanks to YOU, Amy for doing the same. 

    Before I attached that link to this site, I looked at the pictures of the women again, and I wept.  Every time I see those faces, I cry. 

    The truth must be told.
    Maybe then, people will wake up.

  • sparrow

    Hello American folks.  
    Please remember these three Islamic Terrorists/Suicide bombers from Malaysia. 
    Send them to Guantanamo Camp if found traveling in the USA! 
    The most racist/corrupt Islamic bastard in the world-Malaysia Hitler no:1
    Malaysian Hitler no:2 
    Malaysia Hitler No:3  
    Hitler no:3 is talking shit 
     

  • sparrow

    Hello American folks.    
    Please remember these three Islamic Terrorists/Suicide bombers from Malaysia.   
    Send them to Guantanamo Camp if found traveling in the USA!   
    The most racist/corrupt Islamic bastard in the world-Malaysia Hitler no:1  
    Malaysian Hitler no:2   
    Malaysia Hitler No:3    
    Hitler no:3 is talking shit   

  • Olivia1998

    Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf The man behind building the mosque in New York will tell you they don’t believe in honor killing.  He’s lying to you.  They can lye because the means justifies the end or something like that.  Which is why Obama lied about Rev Wright and 10 dozen other things in his campaign.  They tell themselves it’s alright to lie to people because they know the truth.  You can bet everything you own eventually one of those floors in that 13 story (who builds a 13th floor) building will be a sharia court and one sharia loan office.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Tamara.  And yes, the truth must be told.  Sadly, these girls are not the only ones who have been killed in the name of “honor,” an oxymoron if I ever heard one.  There is nothing the least bit honorable abt it…

  • Tamara Cracker

    You BET they’re lying, Olivia.
    It’s in the Koran, and it’s called taquiyya.
    Muslims are allowed to lie to “unbelievers”.

  • creeper

    Amy, thank you so much for posting this.  But I don’t think I can watch that second video.  Just reading what you wrote brings me to tears.

    Minor nit-pick:  At the end, did you mean “by far NOT the only honor killing”?

  • creeper

    I got halfway through the gallery before I had to stop.  There are just no words…

  • Samb

    There is no honor in this , this is child abuse and murder 
    these parents see their children as property, “do as i say live only by my rules
    or die”. The people who commit these crimes should be given the same honor
    they should be eliminated. I believe that these individuals have actually invented a new type of criminal. They are individuals who hide behind religious perfection and then use this religious perfection to excuse their murderess and evil ways.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States

    wikipeda-

  • Samb

    There is no honor in this , this is child abuse and murder  
    these parents see their children as property,
    “do as i say live only by my rules or die”.
    The people who commit these crimes should be given the same honor 
    they should be eliminated. I believe that these individuals have actually invented a new type of criminal. They are individuals who hide behind religious perfection and then use this religious perfection to excuse their murderess and evil ways. 
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States 
     
    wikipeda-

  • Deapthrowt

    If women get killed in any domestic violence setting, is it any more horrible if one can wrongfully label as somehow connected to the Islamic traditions, rather than its purely tribal origins.

    When a culture sits for thousands of years in a remote crossroads of the world like the Khyber Pass and for thousands of years is subject to marauding armies and violent rapes of their women, can that fragile culture accept women violated by outsiders who bring both mixed heritage children and most likely sexually transmitted diseases into these closed cultures who have few other resources for protection, particularly against sexually transmitted diseases from there maruading tribes.

    Under these circumstances, was it reasonable for them to kill the woman who was raped to to protect the wholeness of the tribe after her exposure even against her will to this rape, possible pregnancy and disease transmission. 

    is that an appropriate response today? Of course not. But then either is our western response turning our back on massive numbers of domestic violence abuse of our women too.

    But until you have lived with thousands of years of heritage on the Khyber Pass and traditions have been passed down for eons unique to that location and condition, do not feel smug in your moral outrage over “honor” killings as tragic as they appear to our more modern eyes and ears.

    Care about this, but do not condemn its roots. Condemn those who raped and pillaged these people for so long and left them helpless against their unwelcome ravages as they “advanced western civilization” at their expense.

  • sybilll

    I was watching this when my georgous 21 y/o daughter walked in to ask my opinion on a new dress she bought.  I burst into tears.  This just makes me physically ill. 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    There is no honor in such killing–period and end of the discussion. These fuckers want to live in the stone age and I really do believe we should oblige them at this point. You can’t argue with stupid or Neanderthal. Let them have their stone age today. I am sick of this.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Barbarian is the term that comes to mind. Why do we make excuses for such inhumanity? Those who perpetrate this sort of inhumsn treatment should be put to the sword, literally. I don’t care what religion they profess–if it allows this it should be exterminated and now.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Barbarian is the term that comes to mind. Why do we make excuses for such inhumanity? Those who perpetrate this sort of inhuman treatment should be put to the sword, literally. I don’t care what religion they profess–if it allows this it should be exterminated and now.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I will say again, if you want to talk about a broken immigration system, why do we let people into this country who are so far removed from our cultural and social system as to behave in this way?  Most of the time they are people who have sought sanctuary in the U. S. and then they destroy other people.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I think the only reason that mosque is approved for the 9/11 site is because of Obama.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I’m inclined to agree, tek.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I concur, Samb. Were that there more like you, me, and the rest here at NQ. Are we anachronisms? I wonder.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    21st century and barbarism is barbarism. What you call reasonable I call torture and murder.

    Sorry, there are NO excuses.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I think the only reason that mosque is approved for the 9/11 site is because of Obama.
    ====================
    You may be correct. That being said, there is no excuse for allowing such a religion associated with such violence to put anything near the WTC site.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Oh, sweetie…

  • creeper

    Oh, stuff it.  When Billy-Bob blackens Daisy Mae’s eye and knocks out two teeth, Rev. Smith isn’t going to praise him as a fine soldier for God.

    You wafflers make me sick.  I once had someone ask me to understand female genital mutilation as a “part of their culture”.  You’re so effing busy being politically correct that you can’t tell right from wrong. 

    Well let me help you.  Hurting people is wrong.  Adhering to a religion that exhorts you to hurt people is wrong.  And nothing you can dredge up from the past will change the reality of that.

  • creeper

    I’m with you, Ferd.  Let them practice their barbaric religion in freedom.

    Just not here.

  • Samb

    Maybe, I prefer to see life as black and white, its
    not easy sometimes because the gray, keeps trying
    to get in the way.

    Wrong is wrong, i believe most people know this.
    There is no justifying the murdering of children 
    or women, so don’t give me excuses. (PERIOD)

    It’s hard to see the ugly side of the world.
    We can not close are eyes to it, we need to show
    are outrage to it.

  • coconut

    Sigh! Only this would happen in Islam.

    It’s the duty of every parent to provide care, protection and love to their children. Only a devil would commit such a heinous crime!

    Mecca must be responsible for all these crimes of the century!

    Malaysia Hitler no:2 wanted in the USA dead or alive!

  • Samb

    Maybe, I prefer to see life as black and white, its 
    not easy sometimes because the gray, keeps trying 
    to get in the way. 
     
    Wrong is wrong, i believe most people know this. 
    There is no justifying the murdering of children  
    or women, so don’t give me excuses. (PERIOD) 
     
    It’s hard to see the ugly side of the world. 
    We can not close are eyes to it, we need to show our
    outrage to it.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Well, creeper, this should not be practiced anywhere, as far as I’m concerned. At some point, an eye towards what it is to be human must take hold. We all live and die, a part of the human condition. Why make it a zero-sum game? I hate all this barbarism. It really does not reflect well on us as a species.

  • Tricia

    Such a horrible story.  SHAME protects a lot of very bad people

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Wrong is wrong, i believe most people know this.   
    There is no justifying the murdering of children    
    or women, so don’t give me excuses. (PERIOD)   
       
    It’s hard to see the ugly side of the world.   
    We can not close are eyes to it, we need to show our  
    outrage to it.
    ===============
    Samb: You are a treasure and I enjoy reading your commentary.

    Ferd.

  • Samb

    Thanks, Ferd

  • Olivia1998

    now your catching on……

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    And thank you, Samb. You do bring some clarity to an untenable position I find myself in with the war and a stepson serving in it. I do find it difficult but also necessary.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Well said, Tricia. And how sad, too, that shame has that outcome too often…

  • Olivia1998

    it also says once a Muslim always a Muslim.  You can say your Christian to achieve the results you need.  As if Rev Wright was Christian.

  • Olivia1998

    Ferd: your are so right.  I don’t know if anyone remebers what I do.  I work for a shleter for abused women in my community.  I fundraise but I’m there everyday and I see our residents with children afraid to look beyond their mother, women who look down when you talk to them along with marks of all kinds.  We take them in, find them a safe place to live, teach them how to keep themselves safe and instill self confidence.  We continue to tell them it wasn’t your fault he’s the one imperfect.  We sure don’t need no religion tell men “it’s ok she’s your property, you can beat her, kill her, killing your sister, daughters.  WHF! It’s hard enough in society today

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Olivia: You are so right. What you are doing is so necessary in a male-dominated world. Thank you for standing up. I’m a man but I would put any other man in a world of hurt who would commit violence against a woman. Maybe I’m a Neanderthal, too, but I just won’t put up with such.

  • HC123

    Yes Deap, you are right, its much better to kill off all those dirty ravaged women, or maybe just throw a tarp over them. Aw hell, just do both, its for the good of the tribe.

    Islam IS the religion of gulf arab tribalism. Thats what it is, exactly. It codifies their thuggy tribal ways into a philosophy for the ages.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Islam IS the religion of gulf arab tribalism. Thats what it is, exactly. It codifies their thuggy tribal ways into a philosophy for the ages.
    ===============
    My Celtic Ancestors gave up such long, long  ago and actually came to worship the female. I suppose the Islamists forgot about MOTHER Earth. Those 72 Virgils awaiting them will be their undoing.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    It could also be 72 Virginians.

  • Sassy

    I have nearly depleted my civility quota, especially on the “mosque” thread.
    While we have violence in America on a daily basis, it is NOT a tenet of our culture.
    These sadistic bastards have no place in our society and should not be allowed into a country that espouses equal rights!
    No excuses, no defenses for indefensible acts of horror!

  • helenk

    I hope it is 144 hags with the pox. Double the pleasure, double the fun.

    Any man who beats a woman for any reason is a coward.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Olivia1998

    Creeper: I couldn’t have said it better.  Any religion that makes anyone dress in something they don’t want to, hurts another human is not religion it’s POWER.

  • Tamara Cracker

    Here here!
    My civility quota burned out after Obama was elected.  LOL

  • AbigailAdams

    What a strange “name” you have, Deapthrowt. 

    Under that quasi-urbane explanation to us morons here — I read collectivism.  Justifiable murder of a completely defenseless and innocent person for the good of the tribe’s egos.  Arguments like this would have worked in the ’90s and even until the mid 2000′s, but they’re not working anymore.  There’s no defense for murder of this kind and to try to make one is pathetic.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I hope it is 144 hags with the pox. Double the pleasure, double the fun. 
    ==============
    You got me there, helenk. LMAO.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Civility? Civility was lost long ago and now has become a war. They screwed with the bull and deserve the horn. Sorry–no do-overs.

  • Olivia1998

    we better wake up.  These barbarians are gaining ground in America and there using Liberals and the tool Politically Correct to do it.  They have already destroyed England, France, Holland and there moving fast in Canada.

  • creeper

    I hear you, Ferd.  But how do you go about eliminating a “religion”.

    (sudden epiphany here…in discussing Islam, the word “religion” belongs in quotes to note its true unholy nature)

  • helenk

    Do I understand you correctly?. The men could or did not protect the women and children from attacking tribes The women and female children got raped. Then the men who could not protect them  in the first place kill them. Some how I think the so- called “honor” killing are just an excuse for their own failure.
    Weak men do horrible things to cover up and excure their weakness. some call it religion to excuse those acts.

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY  BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I hear you, Ferd.  But how do you go about eliminating a “religion”.
    =======================
    Good question, creeper. Perhaps peer pressure. I’m actually at a loss because the Islamists’s idea of heaven is so fucking foreign to me.

    And you’re right with the epiphany–it really isn’t a religion but a cult.

  • Tamara Cracker

    Ferd:
    I pray for your son in Afghanistan.  I do work for Soldier’s Angels, and send packages to our troops.  It’s not much, but I think about our brave military every day.
    Tell him “thank you” for his sacrifice to our country, will you?

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Tamara:

    Everything you do is appreciated–please understand that. Our soldiers are grateful for all they get because they get the most from us as a people. Know that your contribution is recognized.

    Ferd.

  • Tamara Cracker

    No, Ferd. 

    Know that your SON’S SACRIFICE is recognized. 
    I don’t need any recognition.

  • Tamara Cracker

    Oh, and YOUR sacrifice, and Katmoon’s.  I have a neighbor with two young men in the military, and those at home make a HUGE sacrifice when their children go to war.
    God bless you all.

  • Sassy

    That hardly explains the heathens who walk the halls of academia and still commit these atrocities.
    The good professor sympathizes with them none the less.

  • Tamara Cracker

    OH, and speaking about Civility and Muslims, here’s fantastic piece about it  that I read this morning.
    MUST read.  Go to the speeches.  Apalling.
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/08/026953.php

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    we better wake up.
    ===============
    A lot of us are WIDE awake. No  Sharia here–not today or tomorrow.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    That you care says it all, Tamara. Every little bit helps, even if it is sending our soldiers a trifle from home. It all matters. Yes. Katmoon and I sacrifice but it is for the good. What you do is also for the good. Keep doing what you are doing, Tamara.

    Ferd.

  • helenk

    I hope that if one more of these people insult American citizens again ,someone throws rotten tomatoes at them. This is the first  time I have ever had government workers that my taxes pay keep insulting the American people. They make the expression ” close enough for government work” true. Half of them could never get a ” real Job”

    WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

    PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I wanted to get on my bully-pulpit here for a moment to do something I should have done long ago. I want to thank the regulars here and RRRA for the incredible support Katmoon and I have received from you, the loyal readers, bloggers, and commenters here at NQ. We have had our disagreements at times but have always been on what amounts to the same page. Thank you so much–really. I am privileged to have been able to discuss issues and concerns with all of you. You are a unique group of people and I am so grateful to have found you.

  • coconut

    I think most Muslims are ignorant. It’s akin to the Nazis. When you took away Adolph Hitler, you atomized Nazism.

    Similarly, it applies to Islam. Who is the mastermind of this ongoing of the processing of  World  Islamization?

    Find out who is this Mastermind and by removing this mastermind a la Adolph Hitler, then there is no this  retarded Islam to contend with once and for all a la Nazism!

    Undoubtedly this evil mastermind of the highest level of this retarded Islam is resided in Mecca- the root of all the Islamic problems in the world!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUN99rClRtA

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    Oh Goody, Oh Joy!  This is what we have to look forward to.  I just hope I have the guts to give my Stevens Shotgun a blowjob before they take over

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, thank you, creeper.  A total oversight on my part – I had written something, deleted it, and forgot to add the “not” back in.

    And I appreciate that you couldn’t watch it, creeper – absolutely…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Ferd, thank you.  Speaking for me, I very much value the contributions you and Katmoon make here.  I have learned a lot from you both, and even in the midst of disagreements with people here, we learn and grow.  So, thank you (both).

    And thank HEAVENS we don’t have that whacked out spam filter any more!

    One more thing, and I know I have said this before – please know how much you, Katmoon, your son, and his family, are in my thoughts and prayers as he prepares for his deployment.  Safe travels to him and his unit.  May they all return home safe and sound…

  • HC123

    The mother of these lovely girls is a nightmare.

    The father is a murderous thug.

    This is a horrible story.

  • EllenD

    But until you have lived with thousands of years of heritage on the Khyber Pass and traditions have been passed down for eons unique to that location and condition, do not feel smug in your moral outrage over “honor” killings as tragic as they appear to our more modern eyes and ears. 

    Screw that.
    Wrong is wrong and I don’t care how long they have been doing it.

  • HC123

    This is a horrible story.

    You know, I grew up in muslim areas and honor killings were really rare. Its a muslim redneck thing, kind of like how people “go postal” here. Kurds did it now and again, and it was big news all over town. I dont condone it at all, and I think Yassir needs to be in jail forever (or just shoot him, whatever, its Texas). But its not really something that muslims on average think is A-OK.

    Go figure, I speak up for muslims.

    With the anger we all feel watching this, do save some scrutiny for the American family here who let their 14 year old date and marry a 29 year old man, and then have a child within the first year or so. And the American woman stayed with this man for 20 years? Allowing him to beat her and her kids? This person is not blameless, nor are her own parents, who allowed such a marriage to proceed. Children are born into unfortunate circumstances all the time, and these girls sound like they really had it from both barrels.

    I say let your children meet and marry a nice person, of any kind. You are smart enough to tell a good person from a bad one, and you will instill this in your children over time.  YOU are what protects your children. I really dont think the Americans in this story did a great job protecting their own. Not the grandparents, and not the mother.

    Again, nothing here means I think Yassir is a good guy. If it were within my power to deliver him to the hangman, I would do so and sleep with a smile tonight.

  • EllenD

    Ferd, you and Katmoon are our treasures.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    I don’t usually do this but there is a wonderful site
    where you can light a cyber candle for those in your thoughts.

    You click on the the candle section and follow the directions.  I hope this helps.

    candles

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Do you suppose that’s the excuse Obama uses?  Taquiyya?

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Absolutely.  Please know that you all are in our thoughts at my house.

  • HC123

    I agree. There is no way a 15 year old girl should be able to sponsor her 30 year old “husband”.

    What kind of country is this??

  • Samb

    Ferd-
    Look for the small miracles,  they are there everyday.
    I wish your family well and your son a safe return home 

  • elaine
  • Tamara Cracker

    Isn’t it heart wrenching? 
    What the hell is wrong with these people?

  • candy

    In the words of the great Charles Barkley:

    You know it’s going to hell when the best rapper out there is white and the best golfer is black.

    Well, you know it’s going to hell when it is the CONSERVATIVES and Fox News that are speaking up for women’s rights, speaking against veiling and discrimination against women, and exposing death-threatening violence against women, and the liberal feminists, NOW, and Democrats who are keeping deafening silence and supporting people who practice backward barbaric treatment against women.

  • elaine

    RRRA, up thread I posted the address of the Gates Of Vienna blog in the hopes you would read the 1st story,”The Facists of the 21st Century” by Elisabeth Sabaditch-Wolff. Turns out that piece moved down thread. I think it’s worth a read, while it is not specifically addressing honor killings, it’s scope is much broader, my hope is you’ll be streghtened/emboldened by knowing the message is slowly working it’s way through feminists circles.

    For too long the love of PC…inclusion/tolerance etc has kept a lid on critical commentary in this area. I do think the west is loosing it’s way by becoming too tolerant, too inclusive of elements that are overtly in opposition to all that I thought we stood for. It’s a difficult road to navigate.

  • Talk2ThePaw

    It is reported that Obutt walked down the aisle, but was never baptized.  Many members of muslim decent that attend Trinity have never been baptized.  It is their out and a good cover.

  • Sassy

    This morning, Fox did a report about more preservation work that is to be done on Lady Liberty.
    They also showed coverage of students singing the National Anthem on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and the Park Police intervening! Just weeks ago, a teacher and her students were told they could not pray in front of the Supreme Court.
    My generation lived in fear of destruction by communists. Now, those who hell-bent on politically inclusiveness are not preserving America’s heritage for future generations.
    The costs of forming and maintaining our Republic have been enormous, but the value of this country is historically unprecedented.
    Do we have the will and the numbers to take a stand?

  • Diana L. C. the Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    I was happy to see that O’Reilly (whom I usually find to be a rude interviewer who won’t shut up and let his guests speak) had a Muslim woman from Canada on last night who gave the best reasoning for NOT allowing the mosque near Ground Zero.  So there appears to be a moderate group in Canada that does speak up.

  • Charlotte

    A 15 year-old could not have “conveyed” any citizenship to her spouse. She was not of legal age.  That’s part of the problem with the Obama birth place. Zero’s mother could not have conveyed citizenship to him because she was not of legal age, though there is so much more to that case. So be careful about blaming the laws.  Some people don’t know them, and the story in the video isn’t saying that these people were correct in their assumptions; the woman is just telling the story of what was thought at the time of the marriage and  none of them, Christian or Muslim, seem like the sharpest tools in the box (the aunt being an exception.) The husband and his brothers look crazy and it’s not  because they are Muslim or middle-eastern. The culture just validates the craziness as long as it’s directed at misbehaving relatives.
     I think we’ve got to accept that the idea of any kind of objective social justice is fairly recent for the most part. That men would kill rape victims to annihilate their own failure is probably pretty accurate and they probably considered it a perfectly acceptable reason. Life was brutal and usually short for most. Women also have killed in similarly socially mandated ways if driven by societal expectations. The massive infanticide and sex-selective abortion going on in India is largely driven by female decisions.
    But that’s the past being unnaturally, and unecessarily dragged on and on. It’s so old millenium and some of us haven’t caught up yet. People are most aggressive when they are desperate, so the Muslims are desperate. They are not going to drag us back in time during this transitional period, but that won’t stop them from trying.

  • Citizen Jane

    Under these circumstances, was it reasonable for them to kill the woman who was raped to to protect the wholeness of the tribe after her exposure even against her will to this rape, possible pregnancy and disease transmission. 

    No it was not reasonable to compound a crime of rape with one of murder.

    as they “advanced western civilization” at their expense.

    The same Western civilization whose society evolved into one where women have the same voting rights and property rights as their male counterparts. Where cutting off a teenager’s nose is a crime, not an acceptable punishement, as was done by the Taliban to the youngster on this week’s TIME magazine.

    Why do you put western civilization in quotes? Is there something you dislike about equal rights for women, and girls who can escape abusive environments without having their nose excised from their face?

  • Tamara Cracker

    I don’t know if you guys are familiar with this story, but here is a girl who ESCAPED her honor killing with the help of bloggers and Christians.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/happy-birthday-rifqa.html

  • Captain Jack Sparrow

    Stuff like this puts the Burka issue to shame. Though I will add at least in this Country as well as many others. Crap like this can land someone in jail. Sadly in many Middle East, Euro-Asian and Asian Countries this is not viewed nor reported as abuse.It ain’t just a Middle East thing…..

    We need to focus straightening out our own affairs before we go march off and tell another Country how they should be doing things…..