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“The triumph of feminism” – The Economist

Once again, in amongst all the clutter and crap I read.  Once again The Economist gets right down to the point and clarifies an issue for my little boy’s brain.  I don’t know if it’s just the make up of the Brit’s brain or the outsider’s freedom of expression, but these folks continually prove my most valuable resource.

From the September 13th 2008 issue:

THIS was supposed to be the year in which America’s feminists celebrated the shattering of the highest glass ceiling. They had the ideal candidate in Hillary Rodham Clinton, a woman who had been tempered in the fires of Washington. And they had every reason to think that she would whip both the young Barack Obama and the elderly John McCain.

But it was Mrs Clinton who got the whipping. She not only lost an unlosable primary race. She was dissed and denounced in the process. Chris Matthews of MSNBC said that she owed her Senate seat to her husband’s infidelity. One lobbyist created an anti-Hillary pressure group called Citizens United Not Timid. A couple of young men ordered her to “iron my shirt”. Mr McCain, whom she regards as a good friend, looked on benignly when a Republican asked him “How do we beat the bitch?”

Mr McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his running-mate has turned the defeat into Armageddon. Mrs Palin is everything that liberal feminists loathe: a gun-toting evangelical, a polar bear-hating former beauty queen, a mother of five who opposes abortion rights and celebrates the fact that her pregnant teenage daughter has “chosen life”. During her campaign for Alaska’s lieutenant-governorship in 2002 she called herself as “pro-life as any candidate can be”.

I won’t quote the entire article and ask you to please go read it. I will however skip to the conclusion, then ask you to go fill in the blank.

The new Madonna

It is even plausible to argue that there is feminist-friendly news buried in the recent headlines. One reason why younger women did not coalesce behind Mrs Clinton in the same way as their mothers must surely be that they have simply become accustomed to living in a world of opportunities. On Super Tuesday, for example, Mr Obama did very well with women under 30, while Mrs Clinton won easily among Pushingwomen over 60. Convinced that they will see a woman in the White House during their lifetimes, they did not feel the same “fierce urgency of now” (to borrow a phrase from Mr Obama) as 70-somethings like Ms Steinem.

In her idiosyncratic way, Mrs Palin also represents the fulfilment of the feminist dream. She demonstrates that gender is no longer a barrier to success in one of the most conservative corners of the land, the Alaska Republican Party. She also proves that you can be a career woman without needing to subscribe to any fixed feminist ideology. Camille Paglia hails her as the biggest step forward for feminism since Madonna. One can argue, as we have, that it was astoundingly reckless of Mr McCain to have picked her on the basis of having once met her for 15 minutes. But if feminism means, at its core, that women should be able to compete equally in the workplace while deciding for themselves how they organise their family life, then Mrs Palin deserves to be treated as a pioneer, not dismissed as a crackpot.

Hear! Hear!, Cheers and all that!

How could any thinking feminist or feminist supporter ;-) not agree 100% with that conclusion?  Here it is again for emphasis.  But if feminism means, at its core, that women should be able to compete equally in the workplace while deciding for themselves how they organise their family life, then Mrs Palin deserves to be treated as a pioneer, not dismissed as a crackpot.

I may hate the woman’s stance on issues, I am as anti-gun as they come and I’d rather park my car forever than drill a single hole in ANWAR but damn it this woman is a woman and needs to be recognized for Her success.

Originally posted on my own site Partizane.com Stop by for a visit.

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  • Freedom Fighter

    Hillary the feminist? When did she become a feminist? She isn’t about advancing women’s causes, she is all about advancing herself, just like Sarah Palin. Americans have spoken, they don’t want politicians as usual, they want change, change they can believe in.

    • maniaco

      $7/HR TROLL ALERT: “Freedom Fighter” [sic] ~
      A TIME-WASTING, LYING, SoetorObama ASS-KISSING TROGLODYTE

      SAVE TIME ~ FAST FORWARD THROUGH ANY POSTS BY THIS JACKASS/JACKASSETTE

      • PJ

        Love that!

      • csuzeq

        I think the trolls need to look for a new job. Really. Obama is broke. He can’t even help out the DNC and down ticket candidates like he promised. He cannot afford to pay you troll! Do the right thing and be more considerate of your favorite guy. Don’t put such a burden on him like expecting him to pay you. It’s not nice! Obama will be just as nice to you when he stiffs you on your last pay check. He might even send you a bill!

      • http://mmb silverfox

        will fast forward, as i usually end up doing when i see FF’s name.

        freedomfighter is a misnomer isn’t it?

        as if this fool knows the first thing about feminism.

        lordy lord.

    • Andrew

      [EXPLETIVE, REMOVED BY WRITER]
      You need to shut your mouth Obamabot. Your candidate is nothing but a sexist pig who likes to flip of women and refer to them as bitches.

      • maniaco

        calmate*, bro . . .

        ignore this distasteful troll

        *calmate = cool off, chill [Spanish]

    • veteranfortruth

      Can we see some evidence of this change please?

      Been to Grove Parc lately? Google is your friend, try it out–but you may get kicked out of your new church.

      • Freedom Fighter

        Senator Obama was only a few who had the courage and the judgment to oppose the Iraq war back in 2002. Although it was one of the toughest decisions he had to make in his life, he made the right call, while John McCain and so many others made the wrong call.

        • maniaco

          more laughable bullshit from
          $7/HR TROLL ALERT: “Freedom Fighter” [sic] ~
          A TIME-WASTING, LYING, SoetorObama ASS-KISSING TROGLODYTE

          SAVE TIME ~ FAST FORWARD THROUGH ANY POSTS BY THIS JACKASS/JACKASS-ETTE

        • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

          John McCain still believes we were right to depose Saddam Hussein and build a democracy in Iraq. Obama says he opposes the war, but then he asks the Iraqi government to delay troop withdrawals until the next administration.

          • Andrew

            NORTH KOREA RESTARTING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Freedom Fighter

            Senator Obama has said he was encouraged by the fact that the current administration has taken his advice regarding troop withdrawls from Iraq.

            http://blogs.bet.com/news/pamela/2008/09/09/was-obama-right-about-iraq/

            • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

              I’m referring to Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi telling reporters that Obama told the Iraqis that they should not rush through what she termed a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of U.S. forces until after President Bush left office. In other words, the Iraqis should not negotiate an American troop withdrawal.

              • Freedom Fighter

                I think Senator is making clear that he will not respect any policy decisions, negotiations, or treaties enacted by the Bush administration. I think anyone who is sane should applaud Senator Obama’s courage for standing up to the criminal Bush enterprise.

                • tminu

                  …even if it means Obams gets more people killed just so he can take credit for withdrawal

                • Vicki

                  In the troll world, the Messiah does no wrong, so even an obvious violation of the Logan Act becomes a heroic act of self-sacrifice.

                  • jwrjr

                    Obama would never commit “a heroic act of self sacrifice”. He wants to sacrifice the soldiers who are in Iraq. This is another way he is exactly like G. W. Bush.

                • JP

                  Yep you are right on that one: I think Senator is making clear that he will not respect any policy decisions, negotiations, or treaties enacted by….

                  The rest is wrong. It should say by ANYONE.
                  If Obama is the President, you should hide. Because he will not respect anyone. PERIOD. NO-ONE. And if you think that’s a good thing then you deserve what is coming to you. Too bad the rest of us have to suffer also.

                • BJinChicago

                  FF believes its ok to risk troops as long as it benefits BO’s candidacy. (It’s always about him, you see.)

                  I do not understand why this troll is allowed to put his BS here. Hillary supporters were constantly banned from proObama sites during the primary for trying to give voice to her ideas and record. It isn’t like this troll adds anything to the discussion, in fact, all s/he does is disrupt the flow of the dialogue.

                • kgirl1028

                  And I think you need to stop huffing glue,it kills brain cells.

                • Rob in Chicago

                  Freedom Fighter:

                  You are clearly overreaching, since you cannot possibly be both sane and also applaud Sen. Obama.

                • Jules

                  Obama standing up AGAINST criminals?? HA!!! Why don’t you ask him to stand up against Ayers, Rezko, and Jim Johnson to name a few. Obama couldn’t stand up against a 3 mile an hour wind.

        • PJ

          Gag FF. You make me gag.

        • Dhyana

          How tough was it? LOL.

          • PJ

            What do you mean?

            • red_sleeves

              Response was to the suggestion that obamas opposition to the invasion of Iraq ‘was one of the toughest decisions he had to make in his life’ not to your gagging.

        • vinnie

          Senator Obama was only a few who had the courage and the judgment to oppose the Iraq war back in 2002. LMAO! You’re still using that talking point?

          Guess what? he also opposes getting the troop out by asking the Iraqi Prime Minister to *wink wink* not commit to anything w/Dubya until the new administration takes over in 2009. I’m sure the PM was thinking ‘dumb ass, why should I wait for McCain to come in office?’

        • Bob

          Courage??? Oh geez. That is the only thing he did not flip -flop on. But if the war was a resounding sucess, I guarantee he would twist it to make it sound like he supported it.

        • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

          Obama supposedly made a speech opposing the war before he muscled his way into the Senate. Once a Senator, he voted to fund the war repeatedly, and even said that “there was no daylight between [himself] and Bush” with regard to the war. Most recently, he has reneged on his former commitment to withdraw from Iraq.

          Obama has no convictions about the war or any other issues. He’s a hack, a confidence man who will tell you sweet nothings to get what he wants—-in this case, the presidency.

          • Ginger

            Oh, you mean the anti-invasion speech he made for his bff’s Rezko and Auchi so their bff wouldn’t lose his job as dictator, for which he was paid in real estate? That super wonderful speech, which he later removed from his website so he could lie and say he agreed with Bush to get elected to the Senate? That speech…….Yea, he is super-duper, isn’t he? Geez, at what point do you bots grow some opposable thumbs so you can remove your heads from your collective asses?
            Stop trying to act like that little paid display of fake outrage was somehow heroic in nature….he got paid already, he does not get my country has payment for his non-brave display of moral inadequacies.

            • http://! Clinton Fan

              He was so fearful of that speech that he didn’t even, in this day and age, bother to video tape record it.

              Who gives a speech nowadays that no one tape records (save Antonin Scalia, who then gets sued when a reporter gets caught doing it and his thugs rough the guy up?)–that’s the bit that I can’t quite get.

              He didn’t want any of that “crummy peacenik” shit coming back to haunt him in the event that things went the other way? Or perhaps his wording wasn’t all that dramatic, that the written version of his speech differs from the spoken version, which might have been served with a waffle or two?

              You’d think such a dramatic speech would be recorded from all angles, with great sound, so that it could be used in a future campaign ad. I mean, really….if it WAS the “Big Deal” he claims it to be.

              • LookingForwardTo2012

                Did he really even give the first speech? Can anyone corroborate?

                Did he really write the article, that was unsigned and unpublished and recently “found”, for the Harvard Review? How can that be proven?

        • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

          moron. Barry didnt have to make any decisions in 2002, he wasn’t in the US senate voting on the resolution regarding iraq and granting the president war powers.

          He was giving an anti war speech to abunch of anti war activists in a gymnasium.

          If you call that a tough decision, no wonder you weep every time he tells you how difficult it was for he and Michelle to give up arugula.

          Please make an effort to atleast earn the air you breath by staying current with the most recent axelfraud talking points. They are not bring the war up anymore now since the surge worked and he was caught trying to undermine US foreign policy and violated the logan act.

          Unless you want to create further debate about is Obama just an idiot or a traitor stop bringing up the war.

          Christ, you would thnk they would make an effort to send a decent troll to NQ from Camp Koolaid. This one is the poster child for ignorance and out of date.

        • Ani

          Yes. It was a’really tough” decision for Obama to make a speech opposing the war in one of the most liberal districts in Illinois — where, to say otherwise might have hampered his re-election.

          How tough for him. Boo Hoo.

          Did he vote on this issue? NO. NO and NO.

          Because he was only in the state legislature at the time. You know, the place where he voted “present” 130 times.

          Well, when the IWR came up for a vote — the 100 Senators didn’t get to vote PRESENT. They actually had to make a decision.

        • Mr “I ain’t organizing no-one’s community” Natural

          Senator Obama was only a few who had the courage and the judgment to oppose the Iraq war back in 2002. Although it was one of the toughest decisions he had to make in his life, he made the right call,

          Not only are you full of crap, you’re seriously delusional. Obama didn’t do squat to stop that war. He muttered to a crowd of loser crackpots just like you, blowhards who like rallies and admiring each other’s leaflets. But other than that, other than shooting off his big fat mouth to a crew of loser true believers, he didn’t do squat.

          And the result, as usual with Oblowme’Bama vanity vamps,

          Was that nothing changed.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          “Senator Obama was only a few who had the courage and the judgment to oppose the Iraq war back in 2002.”

          Douchebag,

          1. In 2004, Obama said explicitly that he didn’t know how he would have voted if he were in the Senate in 2002.

          2. His breathtaking FISA flip-flop should in form you how he really would have voted in 2002 if he had been in the Senate. Just so you know, Hillary is against FISA.

          3. 130 “present” votes in the Illinois State Senate is another good indicator, or rather 130 such good indicators, as to how he would have voted in 2002 had been in the US Senate.

          4. You’re working from a false premise: Chuck Hagel, a GOP Senator, voted for the authorization to use force, but has been against the war from day one, and still is against the war. He has yet to endorse McCain or Obama. Why did Hagel vote for the bill if he’s always been staunchly against the war? Because you ignorant buffoon, he got personal assurances from Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Condi that force would be the last resort, rather than the first.

          • doctorwang

            I just got in contact with Chuck Hagel. He said that you’re the one that’s a douchebag. I’m sorry- but that’s what he said. Please don’t take it out on me.

            For what it’s worth, I think you’re a douchebag, too (no offense intended).

            You’re welcome.

            • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

              Yeah, your meeting with Hagel was caught on tape:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8iZD9RpVFo

              Git the fuck outta here you pathetic lightweight. Your snide remarks have no real bite, they’re just annoying. And you obviously have no real knowledge of Obama.

        • bert

          Don’t let facts get in the way of your fantasy and your lack of knowledge FF. As others have already said, Obama WASW NOT in the U.S. Congress at the time of the Iraq vote and did not have to make that decision. Furthermore, he has said since the vote that HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW HE WOULD HAVE VOTED HAD HE BEEN IN CONGRESS AT THE TIME.

          As others have pounted out he gave a spech as an part-time IL state Senator, a speech that was not recorder and not video taped, nor even mentioned in any newspaper, radio, or TV account of the event where he gave the speech.

          And as for your assertion he was ‘one of a very few to oppose the war,’ need I remind you there were millions of people in the U. S. and world wide, who were aginst the war who marched and wrote letters against the wat too.

          And there were dozens in the congress who voted against the war. So Obama was not ‘one of a few.’ he was one of millions.

          Below is a link to all the Congress people who voted against the war. I would think based on all of the flip flps and changes of positions Obama has made in just the last three months that had he been in the Congress then his name would not be on the list today.

          Try wrapping your little mind around that fact!!!!!
          http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberalleadership/a/IraqNayVote.htm

        • masslib

          Tough decision! Since when is holding an opinion a decision? Man, you people are gullible.

    • Nicole

      “Spoken” like the true little petulant, woman-hating boy that you are, f–f–. You really need to get a job–McDonald’s is always hiring, you know.

      • Vicki

        You have to have actual skills to work at McDonalds.

        • PJ

          LOL!

    • MrMike

      And dear freedom fighter, what is Obama?
      If not an empty suit that will use and discard anybody and everybody to advance his personal ambitions.
      Who linked up to an unrepentant terrorist?
      Who had a Chicago machine bag man help him out with a house he couldn’t afford rather than wit until he had the money or found a less expensive house in a less toni part of Chi-town?
      Who sat in a pew listening to the vile spews of an unhinged racist because it gave him creds in the black community?

      • Freedom Fighter

        Are you implying African Americans are racist? This is the type of race baiting to which you wingnuts always resort. Everyone knows, the real racists belong in the Repug party.

        • PJ

          Yes, some AAs are racists. They’re PEOPLE. And ALL people have to watch out for that temptation.

        • OBAMATRollsAreIdiots

          uh, yes.

        • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

          African Americans who believe that turning “black on black crime” toward the “white community where it belongs,” who believe whites attempted genocide against black Americans by inventing the AIDS virus or that “whites and blacks have different brains,” for example, are racists. And that was the sermon at TUCC. Rev. Wright is a racist. Black liberation theology as preached there is racist. I can understand an afrocentric interpretation as scripture. But applauding 911 terrorists for killing whites is hate.

        • benny

          yeah sure. ‘real racists’. very insightful. lol

        • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

          Actually, the Dems this season have cornered the market in bigotry. Change you can believe in!

        • jwrjr

          FF is, as usual, misinterpreting what MrMike said.

        • Seattle Moss

          I’ve talked to many AA and they all say they are voting for Obama because he is black.
          None of them could come up with any other reason.
          The only time you get 90%+ of any group voting for someone is because of race.

          • PJ

            True. Sadly.

        • kgirl1028

          Ohh you didn’t know, we arrived at that historical moment a few weeks ago, when it was said that blacks would riot if obama didn’t when. We have finally pulled ahead and arrived at that great day MLK saw on the mountain top. blacks would be able to come to gether, and bring fear into the hearts of whites and oppress them. We have truly arrived. Right up their with skin heads and the kkk. be proud freedom fighter this is what you’ve waited for, black people are no just as big of buttholes as whites.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          “Are you implying African Americans are racist? This is the type of race baiting to which you wingnuts always resort. Everyone knows, the real racists belong in the Repug party.”

          Within this election cycle? Yeah. HELL YEAH.

          Question: Remember OJ?

          During the OJ trial, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, from whites to hispanics, from Asians to Native Americans, from Indians (tech suport guys) to Eskimos, etc., knew OJ was guilty, EXCEPT FOR BLACK PEOPLE.

          Blacks were absolutely convinced OJ was the victim of white racism. Yeah sure, and Dick Cheney is also a great feminist…

          What the fuck do you think “typical white person” means?!?

          What the fuck do you think “They’re bitter… They cling to …antipathy towards people who aren’t like them…antipathy towards immigrants…” means?!?

          What the fuck do you think “By the way, did I mention he’s black?” means?!?

          What the fuck do you think “For the first time in my life…” means?!?

          What the fuck do you think “Nah, nah, nah… God DAMN AMERICA!” means?!?

          P.S. It is very common to see high profile black politicians and celebrities play the race card when they get into trouble. And when they don’t, their supporters invariably do. Remember Marion Barry? Halle Berry? Kwame Kilpatrick? Michael Vick? R. Kelly? ETC. ETC. ETC. This dubious list is rather disturbingly long.

          The GOP race-baits like the dickens, but Obama out race-baits the GOP. At Republican National Headquarters, you can bet yer ass the they’re shaking their heads saying: “Damn, that Obama guy is good!

        • bert

          Do you even know the history of the Republican Party? Do you know how or why it was formed? Go get a good history book on the Civil War and its aftermath and one that includes the formation of the Republican Party. Lincoln was a Republican. Lester Maddox was a Democrat. Don’t come back here and post until you get some education. That should take a couple if years. Bye-bye.

      • helen

        From what I can see of backtrack he is the guy that says ” honey trust me we don’t condoms, I am sterile.”
        You don’t realize he lied until you are pregnant with triplets.
        If he is speaking he is lying.

        COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

        PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

        • helen

          should read “we don’t need condoms”

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      It’s hard to say someone who quit a $130,000 a year job to turn in the corrupt members of her own party and risk her career is only interested in “advancing herself.” I will admit my respect for Hillary Clinton has diminished since she’s been campaigning for Obama and even crossing the line to take shots at another woman seeking high office. The Ahmadinejad protest was a disappointment for me. But Sarah Palin is not more ambitious than any politician has a right to be, and she is ethical and gracious about it.

      • bert

        When did Hillary “take shots at” Palin? Find me and cite me one quote. You won’t be able to becasue she has not. She stays strictly to attacking Republican POSITIONS.

        • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

          “Palin’s attendance was news to us, and this was never billed to us as a partisan political event,” Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines said Wednesday. “Sen. Clinton will therefore not be attending.”

          It was not a partisan event, unless Hillary Clinton was attending to stump for Barack Obama instead of protest Ahmadenijad’s visit. Citing Palin as her reason was just rude, too. She couldn’t get past just politics as usual.

          • Wisewoman

            I bet my sister that something smelled fishy about this “Iran protest rally”. I told her that I trusted Hillary’s judgement when she said she would not attend. I also told her that I would bet that in the aftermath of Hillary declining to attend that Palin would do likewise. SHE DID!! People regardless of the “cover” that these 2 women had to hide behind, the bottom line was that this was an event that neither one of them should have attended this particular year. That is why I like them both. They both made a sound decision.

            • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

              Palin didn’t withdraw. After pressure from the Obama campaign and “an anonymous protest group” Palin was uninvited. The group withdrew their invitation. They both had every reason to be there, especially as women protesting a country that has harsh views about the role women play in the world. Hillary withdrew, because she was proving her loyalty to the Obama campaign at the expense of discretion or tact. Palin was the recipient of a pathetic snub and came out looking the better of the two.

    • J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

      America Has Spoken?? Damn. I told my wife not to let me sleep through the election. Who won??

      • Bob

        Hillary won. Obama was blasted to kingdom come by the Republicans and had to be replaced by Hillary. See you in Washington for her inauguration!

    • WMCB

      Please list EXAMPLES of how Obama has CHANGED things for the constituents he has been elected to serve throughout his career.

      Waiting…..

      • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

        He’s left the slums of Chicago worse off by directing Fed funds to Rezko.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      Go play in front of Obama’s Unity Bus…while its moving.

    • notodisenfranchisement

      why is this troll back? shouldn’t she or he be busy committing felonies – like hacking into people’s email accounts…oh, that was so two days ago…

    • Beowulf

      Hillary the feminist? When did she become a feminist? She isn’t about advancing women’s causes, she is all about advancing herself,”

      Hey useless dumbfuck,

      Here’s the wiki article on Hillary which is heavily sourced. Be sure to chase down the sources (click on them dumbass), if you’re skeptical. Wikipedia is hardly scholarly, but many of the linked sources are often legit.

      Obama doesn’t have any where close to even 1/10 of Hillary’s legal and activist credentials. Even in his own self-glorifying memoirs, he explicitly admits he accomplished VERY little as a “community activist”. His legal exploits at Harvard Law School is unknown (i.e. totally exaggerated), and his post Harvard Law career is a GIANT JOKE. He’s never argued a single case, he’s never published a single article, much less one that is considered seminal. With respect to legal and scholarly work, he is so utterly unaccomplished for a former Harvard Student Law Journal editor.

      Law school

      Rodham then entered Yale Law School, where she served on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.[35] During her second year, she worked at the Yale Child Study Center,[36] learning about new research on early childhood brain development and working as a research assistant on the seminal work, Beyond the Best Interests of the Child (1973).[37][38] She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital,[37] and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor.[36] In the summer of 1970, she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman’s Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale’s Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers’ problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.[39] Edelman later became a significant mentor.[40]

      In the late spring of 1971, she began dating Bill Clinton, also a law student at Yale. That summer, she interned at the Oakland, California, law firm of Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein.[41] The firm was well-known for its support of constitutional rights, civil liberties, and radical causes (two of its four partners were current or former Communist Party members);[41] Rodham worked on child custody and other cases.[42] Clinton canceled his original summer plans, in order to live with her in California;[43] the couple continued living together in New Haven when they returned to law school.[42] The following summer, Rodham and Clinton campaigned in Texas for unsuccessful 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.[44] She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973,[27] having stayed on an extra year in order to be with Clinton.[45] Clinton first proposed marriage to her following graduation, but she declined.[45] She began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.[46] Her first scholarly article, “Children Under the Law “, was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973.[47] Discussing the new children’s rights movement, it stated that “child citizens” were “powerless individuals”[48] and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but that rather courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis.[49] The article became frequently cited in the field. [50]

      From the East Coast to Arkansas

      During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman’s newly founded Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts,[51] and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.[52] During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.[53] Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum,[37] Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.[54] The committee’s work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.[54]

      In August 1974, she moved to Fayetteville, Arkansas, and became one of only two female faculty members in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville,[60] where Bill Clinton also taught. She still harbored doubts about marriage, concerned that her separate identity would be lost and that her accomplishments would be viewed in the light of someone else’s.

      Early Arkansas years

      … in February 1977, Rodham joined the venerable Rose Law Firm, a bastion of Arkansan political and economic influence.[66] She specialized in patent infringement and intellectual property law,[35] while also working pro bono in child advocacy;

      Rodham maintained her interest in children’s law and family policy, publishing the scholarly articles “Children’s Policies: Abandonment and Neglect” in 1977[69] and “Children’s Rights: A Legal Perspective” in 1979.[70] The latter continued her argument that children’s legal competence depended upon their age and other circumstances, and that serious medical rights cases, judicial intervention was sometimes warranted.[49] An American Bar Association chair later said, “Her articles were important, not because they were radically new but because they helped formulate something that had been inchoate.”[49] Historian Garry Wills would later describe her as “one of the more important scholar-activists of the last two decades”,[71] while conservatives said her theories would usurp traditional parental authority,[72] allow children to file frivolous lawsuits against their parents,[49] and argued that her work was legal “crit” theory run amok.[73]

      Also in 1977, Rodham co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children’s Defense Fund.[35][74] And later that same year, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana[75]) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation,[76] and she served in that capacity from 1978 until the end of 1981.[77] From mid-1978 to mid-1980[78] she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so.[79] During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million; subsequently she successfully fought President Ronald Reagan’s attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.[67]

      Following her husband’s November 1978 election as Governor of Arkansas, Rodham became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years (1979–1981, 1983–1992). Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year,[80] where she successfully secured federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas’s poorest areas without affecting doctors’ fees.[81]

      Later Arkansas years

      As First Lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton was named chair of the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee in 1983, where she sought to reform the state’s court-sanctioned public education system.[88][89] In one of the Clinton governorship’s most important initiatives, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association, to establish mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size.[88][80] In 1985, she also introduced Arkansas’s Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.[90] She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.[91][92]

      From 1982 to 1988, Clinton was on board of directors, sometimes as chair, of the New World Foundation,[96] which funded a variety of New Left interest groups.[97] From 1987 to 1991, she chaired the American Bar Association’s Commission on Women in the Profession,[98] which addressed gender bias in the law profession and induced the association to adopt measures to combat it.[98] She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America: in 1988 and in 1991.[99] When Bill Clinton thought about not running again for governor in 1990, Hillary considered running herself, but private polls were unfavorable and in the end he ran and was reelected for the final time.[100]

      Clinton served on the boards of the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services (1988–1992)[101] and the Children’s Defense Fund (as chair, 1986–1992).

      Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

      • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

        Hillary as a truly impressive credentials in women’s rights, children’s rights, civil rights, labor rights…

        Not only is she a true blue feminist, with robust feminist street cred, as a young woman she even had a lot of feminist angst, which can be seen in her reluctance to accept Bill’s numerous proposals of marriage.

        Freedom Fighter shithead,

        If you want to know the real Obama, then check out what he did to Alice Palmer:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPQedyt10To
        —a rare example of fairness on CNN during the primaries

        It’s truly astounding that he would use such a ruthless tactic. Consider the FULL CONTEXT:

        1. Alice Palmer was Obama’s friend, political mentor and political benefactor.
        2. Alice Palmer is a woman.
        3. Alice Palmer is an African American.
        4. Alice Palmer is a long time community activists herself. She’s a more successful one than Barack O’Bullshit. Indeed, she’s a “legendary” one according to CNN.
        5. Alice Palmer’s husband is, like Alice, a “legendary community activist”.
        6. Alice Palmer is also a professor.
        7. Obama brags as a “community activists” he registered 150,000 voters. How can a such a person then go out and disqualify thousands of votes?!?
        8. Obama also knocked off 3 other people from the ballot so he that would had no opponents. All three were also African Americans.
        9. Obama sent in his henchmen to disqualify his opponents voter petitions at the eleventh hour, i.e. the day before the certification deadline, so they could not redo their voter petitions, which would have been VERY EASY to do so.
        10. This was Obama’s first time out as a candidate–and this is how he behaves: COMPLETELY RUTHLESS AND DISGRACEFUL.

        From this, it’s hardly surprising to see that just a mere decade later Barack “bitter… typical white person” Obama would simultaneously play victim and race-bait his way into the nomination.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          Freedom Fighter,

          Shithead, you desperately need a cranial enema.

          And while you’re at it, git da fuck outta here, you asshole.

          • doctorwang

            First of all, cranial refers to part of the skull….not the brain. It is obvious you need work (literally) in that area. I would also like to suggest that you are truly the @sshole, and you can perform an enema easily on yourself by simply gargling with mouthwash.

            You’re welcome….no fee (this time).

            • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

              Hey Dr. Douchewang,

              Ever heard of a “joke”?

              Jokes aren’t suppose to make literal sense. Jokes are about rhetoric, you useless asswipe.

              And I noticed you don’t have any thing to say about Hillary’s truly impressive activists credentials vs O’Bullshit’s.

              Just to let you know, O’Bullshit is nothing more than a degenerate con man who brazenly pads his resume at every turn.

            • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

              First of all, cranial refers to part of the skull….not the brain. It is obvious you need work (literally) in that area.

              Just so you know you useless shit-for-brains, those bi-weekly enemas, or colonic irrigations, which you faithfully get, clean the filth from your colon’s cavity rather than the colon tissue itself.

              Likewise, a cranial enema, which shitheads like you desperately need, would clean out the cranial cavity rather than the bony cranial tissue itself.

              So here’s the context:

              1. That you try to be smart by interpreting a joke literally, makes you a douchebag.

              2. That you are wrong on top of that, makes you an exceptional douchebag.

              I told you you’re a shithead.

              Q.E.D.

              P.S. Do yourself a favor and get a cranial enema.

              And yes, you’re welcome.

              :- )

            • Leisa

              Dr wang is a literalist, it can’t comprehend that a cranial enema is necessary when one has sh*t for brains.

              Dr. wang needs to get in line behind FF.

            • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

              doctorwang, too bad you can’t treat your own recto-cranial inversion. but didn’t you ever wonder why it’s always dark ?

      • kgirl1028

        Oh well Obama doesn’t have to do all that impressive stuff hillary did, why should he when he was following in the foots steps of Jesus, and being acommunity organizer.

        Hold up i’m getting a message from the holy ghost.
        Oops the spirit just told me Jesus was not a community organizer, he didnt have time he was to busy serving the poor and afflicted, and that’s why the community organizers (the conservatives Pharisees and liberal sadducees) had him killed.

        • kgirl1028

          Oh yes, and the Holy Spirit also told me, that Sarah Palin will make an excellent VP, and that Jesus would have voted for Hillary Clinton and is now endorsing John McCain.

          Wow, Donald Trump, Lady de Rothchild, and Jesus all in one week.

          • doctorwang

            The Holy Ghost told me you are wrong. And that you should change your self serving ways lest ye be damned into the fiery pits of hell for all eternity.

            Remember- you were warned.

            • DoctorWoo

              Psstt!

              Yeah, you – Doctor Dick.

              ‘Bama called and left a message for you.

              He says to get tested.

            • kgirl1028

              read your bible again, hell does not burn for an eternity just until sin ins consumed. Also my point was that dragging jesus into politics is ridiculous. and considering the Pharisee’s were conservative and the sadducees were liberal and since both plotted to get him killed christ was neither. Which makes his insertion into politics but brazil and other nut cakes is stupid. And to call him a community organizer and equate him with on barack obama is an insult. Jesus served people, barack is just self serving. And while people may think Jesus was up tight individual, I think he was someone who people like to be around and who had a great sense of humour. Unfornately too many christians are not.

        • doctorwang

          Because of the New Testament’s frequent depictions of Pharisees as self-righteous rule-followers, the word “pharisee” (and its derivatives: “pharisaical”, etc.) has changed in meaning and has come into semi-common usage in English to describe a hypocritical and arrogant person who places the letter of the law above its spirit. Jews today (who subscribe to Pharisaic Judaism) typically find this insulting if not anti-Semitic.

          “Self righteous rule-followers” – sounds pretty much like today’s religious right- doesn’t it?

          • kgirl1028

            That’s until Barack obama, neo liberals are actually more disgusting.

          • ces

            Rule followers? Tell that to Donna.

      • Mr “I ain’t organizing no-one’s community” Natural

        Your article gives Clinton a bit too little credit in Nixon’s booting.

        She with Nussbaum were Doar’s chief sharks. She rose above the entire pack. (Nussbaum later became White House Counsel under Clinton.)

        By comparison to even this one incident in Clinton’s long life, Saint Obama has accomplished nothing.

    • masslib

      YOU ARE AN IDIOT! She’s not for advancing women???? Where on earth to you people come up with this stuff? She’s the one pushing for anti-discrimination laws to be enforced! She’s the one who crafted the Ledbetter law! She’s the one who went to China and said “womens rights are human rights”! She’s the one who fought for access to plan B! She’s the one who proposed work/family balance legislation! She’s the one who had two female minority campaign managers! She’s the one who has a female dominant staff and has spent her career mentoring women! She’s the first Democratic woman in history to win the popular vote in a presidential primary! Where do you get off! You people are outrageous in your ignorance!

      • Perry Logan

        Well said.

        I have long noticed that critics of Hillary have the ability to fabricate lies about Hillary, then turn around and believe them, which is a little like sticking one’s head up one’s own ass. All lies about Hillary are instantly and uncritically believed—no facts or references ever needed. Hillary haters are degenerates.

        • masslib

          Thanks, Perry. I like your videos. These people are such jerks. They don’t know a feminist when she stands up with 18 million voters and slaps them in the face. They are clueless. They are WORSE than Republicans in their absolute ignorance about Hillary Clinton. They just make this stuff up whole cloth and then run around agreeing with each other.

    • JB

      Barack isn’t using his career to promote change, he’s using change to promote his career.

      Heh. Even her slogans are better than Barack’s — unlike his, they happen to be true.

      • athena

        I like this one too from Sarah when speacking of Bah-Rock!

        Never in his career can he say “I did” only “I will”

        probably hacked that all to hell but that was the jest of it.

        • WildChild

          it like it :)

    • Diana L. C.

      Even a source like Wikipedia can prove you wrong on that. Google her biography; read what she’s done for women and children.

      You probably flunked History classes, I’m guessing. It it wasn’t about you and your generation, it didn’t count.

    • masslib

      Here jackass. This is Hillary YESTERDAY. Learn something:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdCn7IfydaU

    • http://! Clinton Fan

      Americans have spoken, eh?

      Wait till you hear the PUMA roar in November!

      • mary

        Don’t pay attention to these poor starving Teenagers for Obama trolls. They just got a 50 cent raise since Palin’s nomination and are quite excitable!

        Poor trolls….Obambi has them wake up early to earn their dough…November 4th is the last paycheck….

    • politicsIsdirty

      Hillary Clinton is knowledeable and experienced unlike your Obama.

      Sarah Palin is more exprienced and cute more than you candidate and his wife.

    • mary

      Freedom Fighter,

      I heard about your 50C raise since Palin’s nomination and congratulate you and your Anorexic Sexist Piggie Obambi on a wonderfully ineffective job of letting us see the disgusting Misogyny of the Obamabotic Campaign that has treated HIllary Clinton like dirt to be scraped off Cool Rapper Obama’s shoes and Sarah Palin disrespectfully as well! When are you OBAMBI’S ANOREXIC SEXIST TROLL-PIGGIES ever gonna learn: You’re are Zilch, you are crap and no one pays attention to you, your imbecilic impecunious dunderheads! GROW UP, JUVENILES, GROW UP…and TELL OBAMBI TO LAY OFF SARAH AND HILLARY!

  • http://www.reclusiveleftist.com Violet Socks

    I should like to point out that not all feminists reject Gov. Palin.

    I’m a feminist, and while I disagree completely with Gov. Palin on choice, in other respects I acknowledge her as a woman who shares many feminist values:

    Sarah Palin on feminist issues

    That piece was posted at my own blog (Reclusive Leftist), but it was also posted at the website of The New Agenda, a new women’s organization that is committed to an inclusive brand of feminism:

    The New Agenda

    In both places there are dissenters, but you’ll also see that quite a few women immediately recognize Palin as a sister.

    I think this is a situation where the majority of the feminist intelligentsia is out of touch with the majority of American women.

    • noproblama

      Right. If feminism means having it all, Sarah Palin is definitely the poster child.

  • veteranfortruth

    And even if Sarah Palin is as ‘unqualified’ as the left would have us believe (a claim most Americans have already rejected), then former Congresswoman Bella Abzug’s (D-NY) lifelong goal has been achieved. She used to say that she was “working for the day when a mediocre woman could get as far as a mediocre man.” So every time the Obama campaign slams Sarah Palin’s ‘qualifications’ and ‘experience’, the residue of those attacks lands squarely back on their own candidate.

    Sarah Palin has raised the bar for Obama. Let’s see if Charlie Gibson & Co. will start asking him about his hubris at thinking he is qualified for the position as leader of the free world and review their collective failure to ask him that question before now.
    http://iwf.org/news/show/20672.html

    • J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

      We have not yet gotten to the day where a mediocre woman can get as far as Obama did this year. But Palin is some progress.

    • karen for Clinton (sigh, McPalin now)

      I saw Bella speak at rallies many times in NY and DC. When we saw a hat coming to the platform the crowd always gave her rousing applause.

      She gave more than one speech against war and many for women and civil rights, but more importantly she made huge changes in her constituents lives.

      She was far more qualified and had bigger balls than this pretender to the throne, mr. barky, ever will.

      • Mr “I ain’t organizing no-one’s community” Natural

        I agree. She was tough.

  • Jaxxy

    Freedom Fighter: You didn’t get the memo did you, hon? “change you can believe in” is so last month. So please just shut the hell up.

    Thank you.

    • Freedom Fighter

      Maybe so, but last month is still good enough to lead the cranky POW and the tundra bumpkin.

      • PJ

        WTF?

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        I love it when you fk-trons call them “bumpkins” and “rubes” and “white trash.” Because it ensures your loss this November.

        • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

          Obama’s new slogan should read: Bigotry you can believe in!

          • doctorwang

            McCain’s should be:

            Me and my friends caused this economic crisis…give me 4 more years and I’ll have all of you waiting in soup lines….

            Pretty catchy – huh?

            • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

              The stupid deregulation argument. What kind of magical powers are regulators supposedly endowed with that they can use to stop the business cycle from going into a downturn?

              And what happened each time a bill was introduced that would limit the “predatory lending” and reckless speculation that was going on? The Dems killed it.

              Meanwhile Raines, Johnson, Pritzker were making millions. Obama, Kerry and Dodd were the three biggest benificiaries of this looting.

              Sure, point fingers, but Obama is guilty as sin. And if he really does know how to solve this crisis, he should show up in the Senate, where we are currently paying him to be, and present his proposal to the Congress, which is still in session.

              • SD PUMA

                Obama’s great at pointing fingers. You know what they say, “every time you point the finger, there are 3 more pointing back at you”.

                Will the MSM EVER start doing their jobs & putting this info out there? Not as long as the dirt is on their guy.

    • J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

      Why the change in slogans?? Was ther a problem with the “believe in” part of Obama’s change??

      • Mr “I ain’t organizing no-one’s community” Natural

        There sure is.

        Nobody believes it.

  • fluffy bunny

    And that women should be judged as harshly as men when they screw up. Claire McCaskill should be in big trouble for being part of this:

    No Oil for Blood
    Thanks to three American senators, China will be pumping Iraqi oil.
    by Frederick W. Kagan
    09/16/2008 3:15:00 PM

    One would have thought that leading Democratic senators who claim to be interested in finding other sources of funding to replace American dollars in Iraq, in helping Iraq spend its own money on its own people, and in lowering the price of gasoline for American citizens, would have been all for it. Instead, Senators Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, and Claire McCaskill wrote a letter to Secretary of State Rice asking her “to persuade the GOI [Government of Iraq] to refrain from signing contracts with multinational oil companies until a hydrocarbon law is in effect in Iraq.” The Bush administration wisely refused to do so, but the resulting media hooraw in Iraq led to the cancellation of the contracts, and helps to explain why Iraq is doing oil deals instead with China.

    Senators Schumer, McCaskill, and Kerry claimed to be acting from the purest of motives: “It is our fear that this action by the Iraqi government could further deepen political tensions in Iraq and put our service members in even great danger.” For that reason, presumably, Schumer went so far as to ask the senior vice president of Exxon “if his company would agree to wait until the GOI produced a fair, equitable, and transparent hydrocarbon revenue sharing law before it signed any long-term agreement with the GOI.” Exxon naturally refused, but Schumer managed to get the deal killed anyway. But the ostensible premise of the senators’ objections was false–Iraq may not have a hydrocarbons law, but the central government has been sharing oil revenues equitably and there is no reason at all to imagine that signing the deals would have generated increased violence (and this was certainly not the view of American civilian and military officials on the ground in Iraq at the time). It is certain that killing the deals has delayed the maturation of Iraq’s oil industry without producing the desired hydrocarbons legislation.

    Nor is it entirely clear what the senators’ motivations were. Their release (available along with their letter to Secretary Rice at the New York Observer quoted Senator McCaskill as follows: “‘It’s bad enough that we have no-bid contracts being awarded for work in Iraq. It’s bad enough that the big oil companies continue to receive government handouts while they post record breaking profits. But now the most profitable companies in the universe–America’s biggest oil companies–stand to reap the rewards of this no-bid contract on top of it all,’ McCaskill said. ‘It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect these dots–big oil is running Washington and now they’re running Baghdad. There is no reason under the sun not to halt these agreements until we get revenue sharing in place,’ McCaskill said.” So was this about what’s best for Iraq and American interests there or about nailing “big oil” in an election year?
    Either way, like Barack Obama’s asking the Iraqi foreign minister to hold off on a strategic framework agreement until after the American election, it was nothing but harmful to American interests and our prospects in Iraq.

    Frederick W. Kagan, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is a contributing editor to THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/574iglgp.asp

    • Vicki

      Their motive is to undermine the success of the Iraqis and deal another blow to the United States. These people are traitors.

      • Andrew

        NORTH KOREA RESTARTING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Right on the left coast

      Interesting story fluffy bunny. Here’s another unfortunate example of party over country involving…you know who. Check out who the sponsor and co-sponsor of the original bill were. I will include the link to the original blog post at the bottom. If you can see your way clear to accept an opinion from Redstate, it’s a very important story.

      Reid Blocks Online Predator Bill to Help Obama
      Is Oprah Winfrey Being Duped?

      Posted by: Brian Faughnan
      Thursday, September 18, 2008 at 01:13PM

      This Congress hasn’t accomplished all that much, so you’d think they’d be eager to pass a no-brainer such as bipartisan legislation to protect kids from online predators. You’d be wrong.

      Last December, the House passed the Securing Adolescents from Exploitation Online Act by a resounding margin of 409-2. The bipartisan bill expands reporting requirements for child sex exploitation and child pornography, requires providers to disclose the identity of anyone who appears to have violated child pornography laws, directs the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to report child pornography violations to law enforcement, and grants service providers and NCMEC limited immunity from civil and criminal liability for reporting information.

      When the bill passed by such a huge margin, it seemed that Senate action was sure to follow soon. But one thing went wrong: John McCain won the Republican presidential nomination. And since he was the sponsor of the Senate version of the bill, the measure was suddenly dead. It didn’t even matter that McCain’s bill was cosponsored by HIllary Clinton and Chuck Schumer; it could not pass.

      Fortunately, another good bill was also introduced, addressing some of the same issues. That bill — S. 1738 — creates a National Strategy for Child Exploitation Prevention and Interdiction, as well as a National Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) Task Force Program, and a National Internet Crimes Against Children Data System. It simplifies prosecution of child pornography cases, and increases funding for this effort. The bill is sponsored by Joe Biden. One of the cosponsors is Barack Obama. And wouldn’t you know it — Harry Reid is planning to hold a vote on this bill.

      Senator Tom Coburn tried to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. He introduced a third bill that essentially combines the other two. Senate Democrats have blocked the bill from coming to a vote — twice. It seems that only Senator Biden’s bill will see action before the election.

      And what about the reforms in the McCain/Schumer/Clinton bill — to find and identify those who spread child pornography? Maybe they’ll get enacted somewhere down the line — once Senator McCain can’t take advantage of his bipartisan work on the issue.

      A sidenote: Oprah Winfrey is a party to this — although it’s unclear whether she’s been duped. She devoted her show on Monday to pushing for action on the Biden bill. Perhaps once she gets up to speed on the issue, she won’t push so aggressively for a bill that seems to put politics over children’s safety.

      http://www.redstate.com/diaries/redstate/2008/sep/18/reid-blocks-online-predator-bill-to-help-obam/

    • doctorwang

      “Either way, like Barack Obama’s asking the Iraqi foreign minister to hold off on a strategic framework agreement until after the American election, it was nothing but harmful to American interests and our prospects in Iraq.”

      What no mention of the rag that printed that story…or better yet, it’s source?

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        Its source has confirmed he meant exactly what he said, and he had several witnesses to the conversation. Obama’s foreign policy adviser Wendy Morigi confirmed it, but tried to give a “nuance” (read: wrong) answer. And the story was picked up by the American Spectator, Agent Presse and NRO also. But I suppose you’re talking about the NY Post which turned out to be accurate.

    • Mr. Natural

      Note to self:

      My party is the party of g*ddamned morons.

  • Will Smith

    Palin Pick Puts Many Women on the Verge some fun stuff from NY feminists.

    “All of my women friends, a week ago Monday, were on the verge of throwing themselves out windows,” an author and political activist, Nancy Kricorian of Manhattan, said yesterday. “People were flipping out. … Every woman I know was in high hysteria over this.

    http://www.nysun.com/national/palin-pick-puts-many-women-on-the-verge/86241/

    • Vicki

      Drama queens.

    • PhxNickD

      Absolutely pathetic.

      It is no wonder women have not broken through that glass ceiling when they act this way. They get what they deserve. These women could learn a thing or two by looking at how the black community is supporting Obama. Right or wrong, that is how you act when you want to achieve something for your race or gender.

      • heather

        Yup. Exactly.

        • tish

          the chicago mob is behind obama, and helped him with his set up of the sub primes, interesting, who is valerie jarrett? does she know ahmainjaheda? would be a good idea to find out these connections since we know obama plans to sell the usa out…

      • NoBamaNoWay

        i disagree with that; you absolutely cannot use the same tactics that you denounce in the “enemy.” AA’s made a big mistake with their race based voting, and it *will* come back to kick them in the ass. i’m glad women didn’t go 95+ % for hillary; that would demean her seriousness as a candidate and call into question the reasons people were voting for her. btw, i’m a woman.

    • politicsIsdirty

      Now those women feel what I felt when Obama became the Democratic nominee and he and Michelle did a fist bump. I wanted to puke. Actually I “vomitted in my mouth”.

  • JM08

    I agree with nothing freedom fighter says concerning this election, but you gotta admit Hillary does seem to have put her own personal political interests above those of the country.

    • McHope

      Irrelevant.

      • notodisenfranchisement

        mostly irrelevant – as if BO who’s spent more time running for president than being active in the U.S. Senate isn’t at all ambitious…

        no, not ego-less Barack…

    • Indyvoter

      Obama troll.

    • PJ

      JM08, I respect John McCain.

      But you suck.

      • PJ

        You suck big donkey d_ks.

        • doctorwang

          Ooooooh. Clever retort. Great way to debate the issue at hand.

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            They weren’t debating.

    • Vicki

      As a conservative I wouldn’t have voted for Hillary, but this being a pro-Hillary blog I see no point in slamming her, especially after she was relentlessly slimed by both 0bama and the media. She needs to be the nucleus of a reformed Democrat Party, with the extreme lefties ostracized. The likes of 0bama, Pelosi and Reid need to be expelled!

      • PJ

        Amen to that. Seriously. Just hope the republicans do the same.

        • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

          The moderate Democrats and Republicans need to form a third, centrist party and leave the two parties to the extremists that have hijacked both of them. The two sets of extremists adhere to different ideologies, but their personality types and their tactics are similar.

          • Perry Logan

            I advise against forming a new party based on centrism. If you do that, you will automatically be rejecting leftwing PUMAs like me.

            I’m a far leftist, and I have no use whatsoever for Obama. I have yet to see him say or do one thing that could be called progressive or liberal or leftist.

            I’m for rescuing the party from Obama’s Blue Gum Democrats!

    • J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

      This has been a very bad two days for Hillary. Her backing out of that protest made her look petty. And then the dis-invitation of Palin today at the insistance of Obama made her seem like a hack.

      Warning to Hillary. When you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

      • sproutingly

        I think Hillary plays it way too close to the vest. She seems naturally very, very cautious. Disciplined? Yes. But the down side of discipline is over-control. This can be to her detriment, I think. Politics is one thing, but this almost smells of fear.

      • PJ

        So Obama influences Hillary to drop out and Obama influences whoever to make Sarah drop out.

        Does this scare you?

        Shades of W. The dem congress is afraid of him. Why??? He’s a wimp to this peon – just like Obama. I really don’t get their power.

        • athena

          Sarah was dis-invited…….

      • mimi

        Oh please!

        The organizers got cute and decided to exploit both Hillary and Palin and draw more attention to their protest by creating the media circus of a Hillary/Palin face-off.

        Hillary did the right thing. The protest was about Ahmadinejad, not about Hillary vs Palin. It was not about the presidential election but to confront Ahmadinejad who wants to destroy Israel.

        Any time you have a politician whose running for office turn up at such a public event, it’s an opportunity to campaign, however subtle. Hillary’s not a candidate. She was invited as the Senator from NYS who supports Israel. The organizers decided to use her to their most advantageous aims by inviting Palin. Every journalist this side of the Pecos would have been there. It would have been a global event. An obscene photo-op in the middle of a serious protest. Whoever had the idea is probably in hot water now.

        If they were so sincere, they would never have yielded to pressure from 0bama and disinvited Palin.

        Be assured, however, that this will come bake to bite 0bama in the ass. He comes off as not supporting Israel. Not a smart idea.

        Putting Hillary down lets 0hitler off the hook. Do we really want to do that?

        • Bigtime

          I agree that “The organizers got cute and decided to exploit both Hillary and Palin and draw more attention to their protest by creating the media circus of a Hillary/Palin face-off. ” Hillary did the right thing. Oblowme should have went or the drunk he choose to run with. Guess he was scared to face another strong, intelligent woman.

          Nobama!!

    • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

      Wrong! Don’t be so naive!

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      JM08 = totally exposed Obama Troll!

      Ignore it.

      • PJ

        I bet you’re right. It AMAZES me that after all this time – the primaries/conventions are over -

        The bots STILL cannot let go of the Hillary hatred. It’s what they DO. It’s what they LIVE FOR. It’s what gives their lives MEANING.

        Many republicans too…

    • NoBamaNoWay

      not necessarily so; if you can’t get elected, you can’t get anything done.

    • ritamary

      That is strictly your own opinion.

      • ritamary

        This comment is for the Obot.

  • Andrew

    North Korea just said they are planning to restart their nuclear reactor. Bet Obama wants a redo. I can just see Obama stuttering out a statement. Uh, uh, uh!

  • sayitisntso

    freedomfighter,

    Should we can child protective services for you?

    • Freedom Fighter

      What do you mean? Are you going to flush them down a toilet?

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        Yes. You and your other Foster Children For Obama are getting dropped off at the pool.

      • This is MICHELLE!!!!

        “What I notice about men, all men, is that their order is me, my family, God is in there somewhere, but me is first.” — Michelle Obama

  • Tristan

    Here’s one way to look at it: If women are part of an oppressed minority, they’ll vote Democratic. If they’re part of the establishment, they’ll vote Republican. So which party exactly benefits when women succeed and which party benefits when women fail?

    Maybe this election has made rank and file Republicans realize that they have to broaden their coalition to include women and will help change the party. One can hope.

  • JM08

    Hillary knows better than anyone how unqualified Obama is to be president, yet she campaigns for him because she wants to maintain her political standing with Dean, Pelosi etc.

    Hillary could take a lesson from McCain and Lieberman ….

    COUNTRY FIRST

    • Andrew

      NORTH KOREA RESTARTING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • PhxNickD

      I hate to say this but I agree with you, and shame on Bill Clinton also. he knows Obama is not the right choice yet he says he supports him.

      Country before Party!

      • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

        The Clintons know what they’re doing, so leave them aloooone!

        • NoBamaNoWay

          no shit; some people here are living in fantasy land. if the clintons ever want to be in a position to really make some changes in this country, they need to actually be anle to win an election. if they turn on the democratic party, they will be toast.

      • csuzeq

        I just really think she is campaigning for herself in the highly likely event that Obama does not make it to November 4th. She has to look good to his base and is banking on PUMAs understanding.

        We all know the GOP has Barfy figured out:

        http://www.barackbook.com/Friends.htm

    • J. J.. (The P.U.M.A.)

      Well, McCain campaigned for Bush in 2000, after Bush slimed his entire famiy. Had he not done that he would not be the nominee today. Hillary has to do what she has to do. But i do not enjoy watching it.

      • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

        ^exactly. Let the tic tac toe players debate all they want but the real political players play chess.

      • Rob in Chicago

        And McCain is still having a terrible time getting away from that awful photo of the Bush/McCain Embrace. That has become the primary argument of the Obama cult (that MCain is McSame as Bush). Hillary has to walk a fine line here, and can never ever get caught in such an embrace. She has to be close enough to support an argument that she supports the party and their selectee, but far enough away to maintain her credibility, winks, and orange pants suits, and other “dog whistles” are in order.

  • Andrew

    NORTH KOREA RESTARTING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

      OK, Andrew, we heard you the first time.

      I lived my entire childhood and early adulthood in the Cold War, under the shadow of thousands of Soviet nukes aimed at the USA. I find it hard to get too upset that some pissant country that resembles a gigantic cult more than a real nation might cobble together a few crude nukes. If our huge arsenal deterred the USSR, it should deter pissants.

      • Mr. Natural

        Duck – and Cover.

  • JM08

    I am not a troll. I am a Republican, and I could care less about someone trashing Hillary, ecspecially now that she has begun campaigning for Obama.

    • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

      Repubs invented Clinton bashing.

      • doctorwang

        THAT is the truth!!!

  • MrMike

    You know the bottom line here is the same as it has been since Obama first came on the scene.

    He has had the print and broadcast media in his pocket. Three quarters of the progressive/liberal bloggers nestled in there right beside Matthews and Ubergland, slashing away at Hillary first and now McCain and Palin … and he still can’t pull ahead.
    In the primaries had the media just did their job with Hillary, straight reporting instead of opinions disguised as fact, Obama would be toast. In fact he would have been going back to Chi-town had Dean and Pelosi not put in the fix.

    He is having the same problem, only this time Nancy and Howie can’t fix it for him.

    What ever they trot out to smear McCain or Palin the bottom line is Obama can’t win in a fair fight.

    • Rob in Chicago

      Mr. Mike:

      That was spot on!!! Very well put.

  • Andrew

    PANMUNJOM, Korea — North Korea has stopped disabling its nuclear reactor in Yongbyon and is now undertaking “thorough preparations” to restart it, a diplomat from Pyongyang said Friday.

    North Korea stopped disabling the Yongbyon complex as previously agreed to because the U.S. has not kept its end of a disarmament-for-aid deal, Hyun Hak Bong told reporters at the border.

    “We are making thorough preparations to restart” the facility, he said. He did not say when it would be running again.

    The White House had no immediate reaction on the North Korean plans.

    Hyun spoke before the start of talks at the border village of Panmunjom with South Korean officials on sending energy aid to the impoverished North amid a deadlock in the six-party disarmament talks.

    A landmark 2007 pact — made with the United States, China, South Korea, Russia and Japan — called on Pyongyang to give up and disable its nuclear program in exchange for the equivalent of 1 million tons of energy aid and other benefits.

    Tension on the Korean peninsula has been high since the North stopped disablement work at its main nuclear complex on Aug. 14 in protest over Washington’s failure to remove the North from its list of terrorism-sponsoring countries.

    The U.S. promised to remove North Korea from the terrorism list after it declares its nuclear programs, which Pyongyang did in June.

    Washington argues the communist country should stay on the list until it agrees to an international inspection system to validate its declaration.

    North Korea responded by putting a halt to the disabling process and is now “proceeding with works to restore (Yongbyon) to its original status,” Hyun told reporters.

    The two Koreas are still technically at war because the 1950-53 Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty.

    U.S. officials told FOX News earlier this month that the North Koreans likely are reassembling nuclear facilities at Yongbyon partly to protest the United States’ delay in taking the country off its list of terror-sponsoring nations.

    “They’ve been threatening this move for some time,” one U.S. official told FOX News, adding that until now the threats were seen as merely a way for North Korean officials “to express their anger.”

    Another U.S. official told FOX News that North Korea’s intent might be “to put further pressure on us.” The cooling tower is gone but the reactor could be back in operation in two to three months, the official said.

    North Korea began disabling its plutonium-producing nuclear reactor and other facilities at its Yongbyon nuclear center in November as a step toward their ultimate dismantlement in exchange for economic aid and political concessions, including removal from the U.S. terror list.

  • JM08

    Hillary campaigns for Obama.

    Hillary refused to do a non partisian event just because Palin was going to be there.

    And you expect me to kiss Hillarys feet …. Why ?

    Hillary does not put country first, or else she wouldnt be campaigning for BO.

    Hillary does not care about breeaking that glass cieling, or she would not go out of her way to disrespect Palin like she did by pulling out of that event.

    Hillary is out for herself. If she is not going to be the woman to break that glass cieling, than nobody should in her mind.

    Obama has already tarnished Bill Clintons legacy by all the racist charges in the primary, and now Obama is tarnishing Hillarys legacy by having her campaign for him.

    The Clintons are IRRELEVANT now.

    • fluffy bunny

      The Clintons are not now and will not be irrelevant until years past their deaths. The Clinton Global Initiative is doing great work. Donald Trump and Lynn Forrester de Rothschild just came out and endorsed McCain. No way could Hillary attend the Achmadinejad thing with Gov. Palin right now. If people weren’t so damn anxious to jump on Hillary’s back she probably could have just claimed a stomach bug on the day of the event and simply not attended. The upside of the whole brouhaha is that the liberal Jewish groups have egg on their faces, and have been shown to put politics way above national interest or Israel’s safety.

      The fact remains that the Clintons are members of the DNC. They cannot go out and actively support the GOP ticket, unless Hillary is considering switching parties. I’d love to see her do that, actually, if somehow Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid retain their leadership positions with the party.

      But I think the election should see those 3 knocked down several pegs, which creates an opening for the reconstruction of a decent, patriotic democrat party. No matter which group you support, surely you can see the benefit of having 2 political parties like that.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        Hillary was supposed to be protesting Iranian aggression toward Israel as a Senator with many Jewish constituents. It was not a campaign event until she made it one.

    • Tristan

      Sorry if you expect HRC to fall on her sword. The DNC is on a path to its own destruction, and the simplest thing for her to do is just get out of the way and let it happen. For her to either specifically support Palin is pointless as it alienates her party, and for her to attack Palin is pointless because it’ll turn off centrist voters. So why do either? What would she accomplish? You have to pick your battles or you can never accomplish anything.

      BTW In about six weeks the Clintons will be very relevant when Obama loses and they both shrug and say I told you so and start setting up for ’12.

    • jennie

      Hillary is smart. She knows that if she tows the party line by supporting bambam and he is elected, he will never be elected again. HRC 2012.
      And if mccain wins he will be dead in 4 years. HRC 2012.
      Win/win.

    • Rob in Chicago

      JM08:

      You stated that you are a Republican, so you remember John McCain’s work for Bush in the last two election cycles, even after Bush/Rove unleashed vile and ignorant personal attacks against him and his family. And that picture of the hug/embrace..UGH!! But I don’t hold that against McCain. That is what politicians do, and had McCain not kowtowed to Bush, he would have been finished politically, and would not today be his party’s nominee for President. He is now having trouble with his efforts to convince voters that he is John McCain, the lovable Maverick, and not John McSame. Hillary will have those same problems if she tries again in 2012, but for now, as a politician, she must do the dirty dance.

      • Wisewoman

        JM08 is a Hilalry and Bill hater. Do not respond to his foolishness. The truth of the matter is as follows:
        1. Republicans knew they could not beat the Clintons in a GE. They set up the talking points “We hope the dems elect Hillary, she is divisive, we can beat her. Dems too stupid to see the reverse psychology they were using. They really wanted Obama.
        2. Repubs voted for Obama in red state caucaus and cross over voting in the primary, etc. to put him in the delegate lead all the while fooling dems.
        3. Repubs gave loads of preprimary and primary money to an unknown senator, an unaccomplished IL state senator, and community organizer to the tune of almost 100 million.
        4. Bottom line repubs selected the nominee not dems.
        Now the right wingers want to make sure the Clintons are “killed off” forever. They are the scum of the earth. Luckily McCain is not a right winger, therefore I may well vote for him. Although I am an AA, I will never vote for the lying, phony, race-baiting, George Wallace clone named Obama.

  • Christy

    Off the topic, but- how is it that ANY halfway legitimate news network can publish stories about “…McCain getting the White trash vote…” and the writer not get fired for it??

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/05/f-vp-mallick.html

    I mean, if ANYONE was to write that, “BO is getting the N-word vote” he or she would be fired immediately.

    Why is it ok to use racial slurs against White people?

    Sick of the double standard.

    • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

      That bitch is crazy. She got fired as a columnist in the Globe’s style section. Brain dead. She wrote an article about if military dolphins could talk. Typical Obama supporter. Loser. Fruitcake.

    • doctorwang

      That’s a Canadian media outlet. No one here pays attention to it. If it bothers you so much why not move to Canada and start a movement?

      Enjoy the Molsons while you’re there….

    • Tristan

      Well, at least she didn’t say that Obama’s support among hard-working white Americans is weak, because as we know, that would be racist.

  • OBAMATRollsAreIdiots

    Everybody who thinks Ed Schultz is a big fat dirty scumbag creepy liar say Aye. He screams at every woman or man that says anything he does not like about his savior. He said tonight on CNN McCain should try to get the black vote — WTF he said if he did not try to get the black vote it was because he feels the blacks don’t mater.

    Yeah, right, Eddie. You are using this election as a vehicle for you to get some short-lived fame on Air America and you will be gone from the tv after this election. I hate ED SCHULTZ well almost as much as Mika from Morning Joe.

    NO OBAMA
    MCCAIN/PALIN 2008
    HILLARY WAS THE ONE OBAMA IS THE “TROPHY WIFE”

    • benny

      aye

    • CJ

      I saw this too. Schultz is an overgrown kid whose still trying to find the “in” crowd.

    • fluffy bunny

      Ignorant buffoon. McCain went to the NAACP convention and spoke, didn’t he? I thought he also went to the Urban League, but could be wrong…maybe he only went to one of those?

      I’d never heard of Ed Schultz a couple of weeks ago, but I will certainly NOT listen to his show or to anything on Air America now.

      Does his acting this way hurt Al Franken’s campaign in MN?

    • rickrickrick

      What a Tool. McCain has been very respectful to the black voters. He went to Atlanta on MLK day, he released a congratulatory ad the night of Obama’s acceptance speech. What did Obama do. He did an interview with O’Rielly the very same night. He is such a spoiled little brat. Arrogant, vindictive.. Sorry I got off track.. McCain knows the black community 92% will vote for Obama and most of them wil vote for Obama (92%)just because he is black. It would be a waste of time and resources to try and win that vote this year. Shultz, Stefanie Miller, Congresswoman Waxman Shultz are always interruptive,unwilling to consider any view but their own, and do no justice to Obama when they are on CNN.But they are following Obama’s words “get in thier face”. Don’t vote for the Dicksmoker and pinocchio!

      • Rob in Chicago

        rickrickrick:

        It is Congressman (not woman) Waxman, and I’m duly chastized and ashamed because I’m getting these visual images of all of those pigs with lipstick pitures that the Obama camp was dumping on the internet last week.

    • bert

      Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye

    • doctorwang

      Nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay,nay etc etc.

    • Mr. Natural

      Aye, Matey.

    • Mr. Natural

      Theory:

      Ed Schultz’s business model depends on having Republicans in the White House.

      His obnoxious bluster is actually intended to alienate as many potential Democratic voters as possible.

      Hey – it’s working.

  • R2D2

    Obama’s father was Muslim. Obama’s stepfather was Muslim. Obama lived in a Muslim country during his formative years, and we all know how Muslims look down on women. It’s clear from the primaries and from his response to Palin, that Obama is a sexist pig.

  • JM08

    PJ instead of insulting me, why dont you explain your reason for having such a high opinion of Hillary, even though she is campaigning for Obama and going out of her way to diss Palin, despite her knowing how incompetent Obama is.

    I guess you know I am right and cant attack me with logic, so you have to resort to your daily kos roots and just act like a 3 year old.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      Hillary has not gone out of her way to diss palin. please get your facts straight.

      We like spirited conversation here, but we abhor people who talk out of their ass.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        No, she just said, “Oh… I didn’t know SHE was going to be here.” Maybe being that bitchy comes easily to her. What else do you call that statement?

  • JM08

    I cant wait till McCain/Palin wins and I dont have to play nice anymore with you left wing liberals who happen to be supporting McCain in a temporary but welcomed moment of enlightenment.

    • fluffy bunny

      Yep, Obama troll. Trying to drive PUMAs away from voting for McCain.

      Did you even bother to read vicki’s comment or mine, or did you think you’d better drop your stinkbomb before you had to engage in constructive dialog?

    • PhxNickD

      JM08 sorry that people here are trashing you for your opinion. I heavily supported Hillary, even helped contribute to pay off her debt for awhile. I just could not continue supporting her while she we supporting Obama.

      I am not voting for McCain “temporarily”, I truly believe he will be the change and leadership this country needs. I always thought an election between he and Hillary would be great to witness.

      One thing a lot of liberals are missing, when McCain gets in office and he and Palin clean up this mess – it is going to be next to impossible not to have Palin be President for 8 years after McCain.

      The democratic convention should have been a spectacle lead by Hillary demanding the fair and right thing for the American people.

    • benny

      ooooohhhhhhh, an obamabot trying to act like a repub. we’ve seen it before. lol

    • Vicki

      JM I would email you to discuss this, but I can’t, so please listen. I’m a Republican too, but I see no point in slamming Hillary at this point. We need unity, not division. The race is very very close right now and there’s no need to alienate any voters, especially by “getting in their faces.”

      Let’s focus on November and worry about what Hillary is doing later on. She is a devout Democrat and she’s not going to turn into a Republican overnight, or perhaps ever. However, my opinion of her has changed since I’ve read NQ. There are some great folks on here.

      Also, after the election, we have to live with each other regardless of who wins, and besides that, if you want people to listen to your ideas, you should start by respecting theirs. That’s what St. Paul did when evangelizing, he found common ground with his audience and worked from there.

      We are in grave danger right now from 0bama. I appreciate your passion, let’s channel it toward our common enemy. If need be, post your stuff over on FreeRepublic.com and get it off your chest.

      Best,

      Vicki

      PS the best speech I saw her give was the one where she said, “The sky will open, the light will come pouring down…” I was ROFL!

      • tampagurl

        Listen, I’m a proud PUMA and I still love Hillary. However, I hate Obama so much that there is nothing anyone can say that would make me vote for him. By the way, I have grown very fond of McCain and Sarah.

        • athena

          Me too – word for word!

    • Bob

      This is not a moment of temporary enlightenment. For many of us this has been a lifelong lesson of not to be so mired in an issue that we don’t see the validity of another’s point of view. Many of us have transcended the old “us good” “them bad” thoughts. It was a growing experience. One I know I will take with me the rest of my life. I was a dyed in the wool Dem. Now I am an Independent who is voting character vs Non-character and actions vs words. It is McCain all the way this time.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      Ok, i am fully convinced this is an obama troll now.

      He went through multiple phases of the concern troll where he was complaining about John McCain not being tough on Obama.

      Now he is bashing Hillary and calling himself a republican.

      People its just a clever obama troll.

      Ignore it.

      Better yet sling monkey feces at a print out of its posts instead of responding to it.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        If you’re voting for the Republican, you have to register as a Republican. Even if it’s temporary, you are what you are.

        Hillary’s snub over the Ahmadinehad protest was just to test your loyalty. Can she do no wrong? Will you accept any kind of hyper-partisan and catty behavior? Well, maybe you’ll come back to the Dems.

        She doesn’t want to share her 18 million voters with Palin. She wants Obama to lose, but AYBABT HILLARY.

        It was calculated, petty and politically motivated. She is Tracy Flick and her character on SNL. “MINE! No McCain. No Palin.” She means that. It was supposed to be her.

        She will suck up to Obama and the Dems, though she hates it. And she is jealous of Sarah Palin. Green is not Hillary’s color.

        • Go Back To School Troll

          Say what?!

          If I vote for a Republican in November, I have to register as a Republican? Is that what you just wrote?

          If that is what you mean, you are absolutely wrong.

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            Anonymous posters can’t call the regulars names. And I’m probably more of a Republican here than most, but I come here because I want Obama to lose.

        • ritamary

          That is absolutely untrue that you have to register as a Republican to vote Republican. Please stop spreading incorrect information.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          If you’re voting for the Republican, you have to register as a Republican.Even if it’s temporary, you are what you are.

          WTF are you talking about? Ever heard of “independents”?

          Hillary’s snub over the Ahmadinehad protest was just to test your loyalty. Can she do no wrong? Will you accept any kind of hyper-partisan and catty behavior? Well, maybe you’ll come back to the Dems.

          Again, WTF are you talking about?

          It was calculated, petty and politically motivated. She is Tracy Flick and her character on SNL. “MINE! No McCain. No Palin.” She means that. It was supposed to be her.

          Kill yourself.

          She will suck up to Obama and the Dems, though she hates it. And she is jealous of Sarah Palin. Green is not Hillary’s color.

          Flush yourself.

      • Mr. Natural

        Better yet sling monkey feces at a print out of its posts instead of responding to it.

        I don’t have a monkey. Will a dog do?

    • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

      Play nice? You’re an A-whole!

    • Ivory Bill Woodpecker

      Nanny, would you please change JM08′s diaper already? :)

    • Tristan

      McCain will crush Obama in the debates. “Look… Hold on now… Ummm, uh… That’s not what I said…”

      BTW I hear Obama’s not going to raise taxes on upper income families if there’s a recession. Would that be because he’s a nice guy, or maybe because he knows tax hikes hurt the economy?

      Yeah, I’ll be at home counting the flip flops.

  • JM08

    Fluffy Bunny -

    You say Hillary cant actively support the GOP because she is a democrat.

    Joe Lieberman did.

    It is very possible for Hillary to support the GOP, but unlike Lieberman she puts her own political ambitions above those of the country.

    I know the truth hurts for you democrats, but really it is the truth. I have no particular axe to grind with Hillary.

    I was never a big fan of Hillary, but I was not a Hillary hater either. I could give or take her, and even now I have a nuetral opinion of her. I understand her putting her own ambitions above those of the country, most politicians do, but please dont sit here and talk about how noble and caring and honorable Hillary is, because the truth is …

    Hillary is just your typical politician… No better or No Worse

    • benny

      the troll is spouting rubbish again. :-)

    • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

      “You say Hillary cant actively support the GOP because she is a democrat. Joe Lieberman did.”

      Hello? Lieberman lost the Democratic Primary. He was re-elected to the Senate as an Independent.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        And Hillary dropped out early and supported her former opponent instead of fighting for the nomination or running as an Independent.

        • This is MICHELLE!!!!

          “If (Hillary) gave (Obama) one of her cojones, they’d both have two.” — James Carville

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            FLIRG… hmm.

          • Perry Logan

            Carville is wrong. According to my calculations, they’d both have one.

      • Rob in Chicago

        Independents don’t have much of a chance in a national election. Lieberman has burned his bridges with the Democratic Party, as far a support for a national post is concerned. If he became a Republican, it is not clear that the Republicans would respect or trust him either, in a national post, otherwise McCain would have not caught so much flack when he suggested Lieberman as a running mate. I can’t say how the New York electorate would respond to an “independent” Hillary, or if they would be as supportive of her independent status as were Lieberman’s voters.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      If you were not a big hillary supporter what exactly brought you here?

    • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

      Lieberman is an Indie.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        He votes Democrat in the Senate.

        • Perry Logan

          “Votes Democratic.” Let’s watch that right-wing speech impediment.

    • Tristan

      You do know that Lieberman is an independent because the DNC ran someone against him in the Democratic primaries as payback for him supporting the Iraq war? How exactly is that situation similar to HRCs?

      • doctorwang

        I don’t have a clue. Pray tell, how “is that situation similar to HRCs?”

  • JM08

    So now I am a FAKE republican LOL …

    PRICELESS !!!

    You better hope that all republicans that dont worship Hillary are not Obama trolls :)

    Because trust me I know very few republicans who have a very high opinion of Hillary, and now that she has drank the Obama kool aid, Hillary loving republicans are non existent

    • Vicki

      Please read my post above.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      Hillary has not drunk the koolaid. She is doing what is expected of her as a major party leader to ensure she stays politically viable shoudl obama lose.

      jm08. Please take a bit of advice. Lay off hillary.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        Then she’s a typical politician, not a noble, idealist and fighter for the people. She said Obama was dangerously unprepared. How did beating her in the primaries make him more prepared? And the Dems didn’t think much of her, otherwise the primaries would have been fair. Hillary has gone above and beyond the call of duty, and this time she did something shitty to another woman. She placed a rival appearing at an event above speaking on behalf of national security and the existence of our ally Israel and human rights issues.

        • Leisa

          Hillary was avoiding a media circus that would have been made this into something it is not. Just as you are doing here.

          I think it is wise of Hillary to keep a distance from Palin. Hillary would make Palin look bad in a side by side comparison. That would not help McCain now would it?

          You are just alienating Hillary supporters and really acting repugnant Hope. Stop this line of nonsense.

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            I think a media circus is overstating it a bit. Let’s put it in perspective.

            Bill Clinton gets a blowjob in the Oval Office = media circus.

            Hillary Clinton gives a speech then shakes Sarah Palin’s hand = photo op for a worthy cause.

            She had no problem meeting with Obama at Selma. John McCain appeared with Obama on 911. There is a time for campaigning and a time to put aside partisan bickering. Hillary failed to rise to the occasion. Her statement canceling her speech was extremely rude.

    • This is MICHELLE!!!!

      “I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.” — Hillary Clinton

    • Rob in Chicago

      JM08:

      Nice double standard you’ve got going there. Using your reasoning, McCain should be irrelevant, but,no, he is the Republican nominee for President. Using your reasoning, McCain should be condemned as just another scumbag politician for his previous embrace of Bush, as he was placing his political future above the good of his country. As a Democrat, now voting for McCain/Palin, I understand what McCain had to do, and I don’t hold that against him. Why can’t you cut Hillary the same slack ?

  • benny

    trying to act legitimate. lol.

  • JM08

    Whoframedrudy -

    The reason why he lost his seat as a democrat, was because he has been standing with McCain on issues far before McCain was the Republican nominee.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      ^Obama Troll in disguise.

    • This is MICHELLE!!!!

      “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” — Obama’s friend, Bill Ayers

  • ybnormal

    Here’s how I address the question “compete equally in the workplace”. Competition for either POTUS or VPOTUS means a candidate also gets to deal equally with criticism. In my view, Obama and Palin are equally UN-qualified to be either POTUS or VPOTUS. Those 3rd party people are looking better all the time.

    Look, both of these people seem to be very sincere within the context of their respective positions; but let’s get real here.

    Would everyone please ponder this question, using an alternate scenario:
    Imagine if McCain were already president and something happened to the VP. Does anyone seriously believe that in that scenario if McCain nominated Palin as the replacement, that Congress would actually approve the nomination? For that matter, in that scenario, would McCain realistically try to nominate her, without getting laughed out of town?

    Equal time – same scenario for the Dems – In a hypothetical, if Biden or Clinton or Kucinich or Gore or whoever were president and had to replace the VP, what would Obama’s chances be of even getting nominated, much less approved by Congress?

    • Rob in Chicago

      Who Am I?
      I am under 45 years old,
      I love the outdoors,
      I hunt,
      I am a Republican reformer,
      I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
      I have many children,
      I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor’s office.
      Have you ever heard of me before now?
      I am Teddy Roosevelt.
      25th Vice President of the United States, and 26th President of the United States

  • samb

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnajB722fI8

    MICHELLE OBAMA ON WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE AND FOR WHOM?

    • This is MICHELLE!!!!

      “Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.” — Michelle Obama

      • smiles

        Maybe Michelle should tell that to the people in Obama’s Chicago district. And if she did, well then that’s “change” you can’t see. If only his past lined up with what he preaches. There should be a whole record of the wonderful changes Obama has made in his career. But that’s not there. There is no record of it. There are only records of the speeches he made. Even the people who know him are not allowed to speak. Obama has no friends, except for the crazies we read about in the news. I don’t trust him. Too many strange things.

      • Mr. Natural

        “Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.” — Michelle Obama

        Hallalujah!

        Tony Rezko’s gonna buy us all a big house!

        • doctorwang

          I heard McCain’s got plenty of houses to spare- just ask him…or Cindy……

          • Pink Panther

            As always, you sound jealous.

            But don’t ask Biden for help, he can’t manage his own money.

  • JM08

    Vicki and Jeremiah god damn amerikkka wright -

    You are both right.

    I apologize, if the people on this site want to portray Hillary as this selfless champion of the people and women everywhere, then knock yourselves out, so long as you show up at the polls Nov 4 to vote for McCain/Palin

    • benny

      Obama troll on the loose.

    • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

      Ho hum!

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      Dude, seriously shut up. I have been watching your posts for several weeks. You played a Jhn McCain concern Troll Until it was played out.

      We all know you are an obama troll just trying to be an asshole republican characiture to piss people off.

      Seriously.

      First you are mostly ignorant and your arguments fail to fully support the troll disguises you try to wear.

      Second you are a horrible actor and don’t know where to stop pushing the old gimicky talking point so that it doesn’t become maudline.

      Third, you fail miserably at being an obnoxious republican.

      Your “i cant wait till mccain wins so i don’t have to deal with you hillary supporters” is so thinly veiled as an obama talking point tactic that it wouldnt stop a fart from passing through it.

      Seriously JM08, and i say this with utmost respect to all failed 7$/hour trolls out there…you suck at your job and should be fired.

      Pleae tell axelfraud to take your lame ass off the terminal and put it in a cemetery so you can register dead people to vote. You are not convincing anyone here and are a waste of Oresources.

      • Leisa

        I thought he was chicken little in his concern troll stage…

  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

    “they did not feel the same “fierce urgency of now” (to borrow a phrase from Mr Obama)”

    The ‘fierce urgency of now’ is not by Obama. Dr. King originated that expression, I believe. Hillary used the expression in her speech at Wellesley.

  • JM08

    One thing that I have learned is that left wingers, regardless of whether they are supporting Obama or McCain have one thing in common … ATTACK WHEN CONFRONTED WITH REALITY.

    On Daily Kos I saw one Obama supporter go against the rest of the bots by saying he didnt think Obama could flip Oklahoma, and they all called him a McCain troll, just because he pointed out the obvious.

    Now I point out the obvious on here by saying that very few republicans admire Hillary, ecspecially since she has begun campaigning for Obama, and you call me a Obama troll.

    Now you people know why the angry left scares mainstream america so much. You all are just intolerant people that have no grip on reality, and attack anyone that even tries to put reality into the conversation.

    • benny

      yeah, we see your ‘grip’ on ‘reality’. lol

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      LOL daily Kos? do you not understand that republicans don’t hang out reading Daily Kos? A lot of democrats don’t either.

      Stop with the Lies Obama Troll. Everyboy knows you are an Obama Troll by now. Nobody is buying your bullshit.

      GO find that pregnancy suit!

    • noproblama

      Well, one might wonder why you would want to kick a gift horse in the nuts. So you’re either a troll or a fool.

      I’d vote for the latter.

      • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

        He is an obama troll trying to play a republican troll.

        The only person running around saying we dont need or want your votes were democrats voting for Obama this year.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        Obama is manipulating you through your loyalty to Hillary. If you can’t see her realistically and objectively, you’re in danger of voting Democrat. Those who want Obama to lose don’t want you getting all sentimental about Hillary right now. Because she is out there campaigning for Obama whether you think she means it or not.

        • ArealDemocrat

          That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            Oh, right. “The orange pantsuit is a secret code inspired by Ukranian revolutionaries” makes total sense, though.

            • ArealDemocrat

              Huh? What are you talking about? Are you claiming that I said that? I never said anything like that.

              • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

                Which is it? Does Hillary really mean what she says when she campaigns for Obama or is she sending you secret coded messages? You’re either slow-witted or willfully obtuse.

        • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

          Another ∅bot.

          BTW Bill is doing a pretty good job of undercutting his pro-Obama message.

          In an interview with CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo, Clinton, who has tried to put to rest rumors of tensions between himself and Obama said, “I’ve never concealed my admiration and affection for Sen. McCain. I think he’s a great man.

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            She’s out there telling people to vote for Obama. What color is the sky on your planet? And of course Obots tell to NOT to vote for Obama. It makes perfect sense.

            • doctorwang

              “And of course Obots tell to NOT to vote for Obama.”

              Actually it makes little (if any) sense. Maybe you should try again?

              • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

                Once again, sarcasm went over your head.

                • doctorwang

                  I’m capable of discerning stupidity from sarcasm……so would anybody else who has read your comment. Go out onto the street- and repeat what you wrote- and be aware of the looks of perplexity. I’m only trying to help (and at no cost to you).

                  You’re welcome.

                  • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

                    I’m capable of discerning stupidity from sarcasm…

                    Yeah sure… What the fuck are you talking about, you idiot? You’re the irrelevant douchebag who, pretending to be the smart and learned doctor, has to correct people on their rhetorical jokes & zingers from a literal stand point. Jokes don’t have to make literal sense, you imbecile. (I responded likewise to you below.)

                    You know what they say: If you can’t dazzle ‘em with your knowledge, then dazzle ‘em with your bullshit.

                    I take it you are a proctologist, no? Get a cranial enema, you useless shithead.

                    And btw, you’re likewise very welcomed.

                  • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

                    So are you quibbling, because in a typing error, I left out a pronoun? Was that the reason the context of the sentence was lost on you?

                    This from a loser masquerading as a man with illegible writing. OK, “Doctor.”

    • This is MICHELLE!!!!

      We are just small town folks clinging to our guns and religion. Obama and faux conservatives don’t like small town folks.

      “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” – Barack Obama

    • Perry Logan

      Yea, but Republicans voted TWICE for the Worst President Ever™. They are therefore too confused to comment on the shortcomings of the left. :)

      • doctorwang

        Can’t argue with that. Case closed.

        • ArealDemocrat

          Case reopened. There are Bush voters who have thrown their support towards Obama.

          Case closed.

    • Gal from Tex

      My God…would you SHUT UP already.

      Regards,

      a registered republican.

  • JM08

    I am here because I support McCain/Palin.

    I did not get the memo that this site was only for angry Hillary suporters that are supporting McCain only as a protest vote against Obama.

    But apparently that faction of NO QUARTER is out in full force tonight …

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      No you are an Obama Troll.

      You come here nightly to piss people off by impersonating an obnixious republican.

      Sadley your obnoxious obama troll self doesnt understand that most republicans and most democrats who have not drunk the koolaid dont act like you do.

      Stop Trolling. Go get a real job.

    • Seattle Moss

      JM
      I’m voting for McCain/Palin based on their values and convictions.
      What I like about Sarah is that she is true to herself and will not waver on what she believes.
      I may have been a strong democrat at onetime, but I do not recognize them anymore.
      I have loved the Clinton’s throughout their careers but I have moved on now and fully support the Republicans.
      The democrats wish for defeat for America. Unless the party is purged I’m not looking back.

    • Trolls Go To Hades

      “You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a (flag) pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest…” Obama

    • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

      Dude,

      I’m an actual Republican here and you don’t sound like any Republican I’ve ever met.

      Real Republicans treat their allies with respect.

      It is true that at some time in the future I may not be allied with Hillary supporters but so long as the alliance lasts they will get my respect.

      So I would have to agree with the others here. You are a ∅bot sent to create division in the ranks.

  • Gary McGowan

    The London Economist is more likely to use an issue to stir-up divisiveness than to lead in making the world actually better.

    Don’t be their victim.

    • doctorwang

      “The publication belongs to The Economist Group, half of which is owned by the Financial Times, a subsidiary of Pearson PLC. A group of independent shareholders, including many members of the staff and the Rothschild banking family of England,[9]”

      I agree, Gary- those Rothchilds aren’t to be trusted. What a bunch of elite losers!!! Huh?

      • DoctorNanoWang

        Huh?

        - which pretty much covers everything you’ve ever posted here, Doctor Dick.

  • JM08

    benny-

    What is it like to live in a bubble ?

    Of course “bubble” is just a metaphor …

    I realize you live in your mommys basement ;)

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      ^Ignore the Obama Troll Pretending to be a Republican Who hates Hillary.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        He never said he hates Hillary. He said she is imperfect and self-serving. Most politicians are.

        • ArealDemocrat

          Why are you defending JM when he is trying steal votes from McCain/Palin? Seeing as how you are already backstabbing Hillary because she didn’t fall for a politcal trap made for her AND Sarah, you should be giving the same to JM08 for trying to sabotage McCain/Palin crossover votes from Hillary supporters. That is, if you really care about Palin. Going by your posts after her nomination, seems to scream a huge “NO.”

          • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

            He’s not trying to steal votes from McCain/Palin. He has done nothing but talk them up.

            And like JM, Hillary is a politician to me and nothing more. I supported her while she was in the race. Now she’s not.

            She didn’t take the RBC ruling to the credentials committee. She didn’t push for a roll call vote and floor fight. She endorsed Obama shortly after the primaries, and now she is campaigning for him.

            End of story. Why did she do this? For her career. And she does noble things with that career, so I can respect that.

            But you guys say she is lying right now and secretly plotting to destroy someone she says nothing but good things about in public. That is not heroic or noble.

            Regardless, though, she is working harder for him than she should. And dissing Palin was more loyalty than Obama deserved.

            The event was nonpartisan. The speakers involved guaranteed press coverage for a worthy cause. There was no trap there, unless you think both of these women would have let this become a “cat fight” as many have said. It has become precisely that, because of Hillary. She is working for the Obama campaign now and acted like it. This Hillary is working for the enemy.

            Sure, you can say there’s a grand strategy there or she doesn’t mean it. But the only reason she’s around is to get Obama elected. As much as I like Hillary, I am dead set against that. And I am sane enough to see her as a politician who did something graceless.

            • JP

              “Why did she do this?”

              Bill Gwatney

              Stephanie Tubbs-Jones

              • doctorwang

                You are really trying to connect the death of Stephanie Tubbs-Jones to Obama?!!

                Keep on pursuing that line of thought….at least until Nov. 5. At that point I recommend you seek serious psychiatric help.

                • JP

                  Thanks ‘doctor’!

                  What else would you like me to do?

            • ArealDemocrat

              No one said she is plotting to destroy anyone. She may have a metaphorical gun pointed at her head right now. She won’t attack Palin, so why harp on her about it? The media would have spun the meeting into a catfight or secret meeting. That would harm both Hillary and Sarah politically, leaving Obama to benefit. Is that what you want?

              • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

                There is a time when you do what you have to, a time when you take a principled stand, and when all else fails, a time when you fake an illness. No one is holding a gun to Hillary Clinton’s head, except herself.

  • Will Smith

    Must see Olberdouche video.
    Keith Olbermann: The Worst of The Worst
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kakDpFHNWg

  • bert

    Hillary is still the best political thinker out there with the possible exception of President Clinton.

    Just watch and read her remarks and plan of action for the current financial meltdown. Neither Presidential campaign has said anything with the depth, and insight that Senator Clinton has today.

    THE CURRENT DNC LEADERSHIP (DEAN, PELOSU, REID, BRAZILE, KENNEDY, KERRY, ET. AL.) SHOULD LIVE IN INFAMY THE REST OF THEOR LIVES FOR THEIR CORRUPTOPN OF THE PROCESS THAT MADE AND SELECTED OBAMA THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE OVER THIS CLEARLY MORE QUALIFIED WOMAN AND LEADER. (And yes, I am yelling at the DNC and trolls here tonight the stupid asses.)

    http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

    Watch and read this and weep.

    • Gary McGowan

      Watch it and support her. Stop the whining. Senator Clinton is not whining, she is working.

      • doctorwang

        Great point. What is in the best interest of the country? Four more years of the same disastrous policies that have led us to the brink of bankruptcy?

      • Raven

        Gary, you are so right! Sen. Clinton is working.
        I absolutely love this video. It is unfortunate
        that more Americans will not have the opportunity
        to see it. She is “spot on”.
        I firmly believe that there is no stronger leader
        in our nation on this and so many other issues that will determine the future of our nation’s
        economic stability, future growth, and develop-
        ment market oversight. This issue requires sober
        consideration by voters.

    • politicsIsdirty

      I am die-hard Clinton Democrat and a centrist.

      Everytime Hillary Clinton is mentioned in this site, I feel sad. As a President, she could have done a lot for the country during these very difficult times. I can only blame Obama, the Democratic leadership and the MSM for conspiring against her.

      We have to teach the Obama’s, the Democratic leadership and the Obama media like CNN and MSNBC and their pundits a lesson.

      McCain/Palin 2008.

  • justsomeone

    IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ASTROLOGY you may wish to google “venus cycles+presidential elections”. You may be suprised by what you find. Venus, the feminine influence, compared to what? It’s all part of a very ancient pattern that occurs about every 8 years. Hillary, Palin, Condi, Nancy & even Paris for Prez. Check it out.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    Hey, check it out! A PUMA spoke at McCain/ Palin’s first town hall! Who is this mystery PUMA??

    Watch:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/18/video-mccains-and-palins-first-joint-town-hall/

  • Alien

    Justsomeone—I have regularly looked at astrological & psychic predictions for this election & so far absolutely all are crap.

    Bullshit stuff -

  • NoBamaNoWay

    i take huge exception with the article mentioned in the OP; fer christ’s sake, anbody who quotes camille paglia loses all credibility on anything dealing with “feminism.” the selection of palin as mccain’s vp is hardly a repudiation of “hilllary type feminists,” so to speak. no way in hell would palin be the vp choice if not for hillary’s historic campaign. palin is standing on hillary’s shoulders, and everybody knows it. i supported hillary and i also support palin; feminism is abut choice, not about adhering to one particular lifestyle.

    • LogicallySpeaking

      …Mr Obama did very well with women under 30,…

      NoBamaNoWay: you make excellent points.

      Obama did well with women under 30 because they have not yet experienced dicrimination on the job, not because things are so much better.

      • doctorwang

        He’s doing well with women under 30 because they are smart enough to know when they are being pandered to. Although many women over 30 are beginning to realize that fact, too.

        BTW: It’s discrimination.

        • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

          Riiight. So now we should never pick women VPs because that’d just be “pandering” to those disaffected Hillary supporters. So let’s just keep on picking white men instead. What a stupid, baseless argument.

          • Newly Independent

            Really!

            Doesn’t that damn troll sound absolutely stupid? Why in hell would ANY sane voter support a candidate that wasn’t willing to pander to them?

            Obama hasn’t had to pander as much in this race because he already had a bunch of empty-headed weasels blindly throwing their support to him without making him work hard for it. Most of Obrat’s followers either have extremely low standards or no standards at all. And it’s very easy to get over on people with low standards. That’s why Obama’s been able to get this far (temporarily.) And why he’s been so arrogant this year.

            Most Hillary supporters, however, have much higher standards and are much wiser. We provide a serious challenge to the “empty suit.” Because it will take considerably more than slick talk and cheap catchphrases to get our votes. Obama has to work – and HARD – for our votes. Just like every other candidate has to. He will pander for our votes – or he won’t get them. Our votes are precious and we value them. We won’t hand our votes to ANY candidate who doesn’t work for them nor respect them.

            McCain understands this well. Which is why he will win the GE – and the Presidency.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          BTW: It’s discrimination.

          BTW, it’s called a typo.

          And yes, you’re welcome.

          :- )

          P.S. Stop trying to be cute, douchebag. It can quite be dangerous:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAZW7jcU6-g
          —LOL, I’d get a cranial enema if I were you–ASAP!

        • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

          He’s doing well with women under 30, because they have never had any real responsibilities, they’ve just started their careers and the reality of taxes haven’t set in yet, they don’t have children or families, their parents aren’t retired yet and their only issue is abortion, since most of them are slutty blackout drunks, anyway. I’m talking about the “feminist” NYT / Jezebel / Salon crowd.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        correct; good point about young women; i meant to mention that but forgot. just give those gals a few more years, and they’ll be “bitter old hillary supporters” too.

      • ritamary

        Obama is doing well with women under 30 because they have a very superficial understanding of the political process. They find the hopey changey message appealing and don’t care that Obama has no political accomplishments.

        My daughter is 28 and she is an Obama supporter. I have reached the point that I just will not discuss the election with her any more. She refuses to do any research on Obama’s past.

        When I try to explain my objections she has no idea what I am talking about and makes no effort to try to understand. Rezko, lack of experience, stealing the caucuses just cannot compete with hopey, changey.

        • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

          My daughter is 28 and she is an Obama supporter. I have reached the point that I just will not discuss the election with her any more. b>She refuses to do any research on Obama’s past.

          No offense, but your daughter is a bot. Yike! My condolences madame.

          This is exactly what a lot of leftist say about the O-bots, including Chomsky, Nader, Adolph Reed, etc.

          1. There’s a total suspension of skepticism and refusal to do even the most basic research and vetting. And this is because they…

          2. They worship him as though it is a cult.

          Politically, Obama is to women as OJ is to women–criminally.

        • msindy

          Agree, there’s no good to be seen in the fact that young women (really girls) in their 20′s are voting for Obama. Too many Disney princess movies as kids. Then too much Paris Hilton and her ilk as a role models as teens. They are basically spoiled and lazy, and are leaving the decisions up to the boyz, whom they blindly follow.

          Encouraging? I think not. More like spoiled brats who don’t appreciate how good they have it and why.

          I applaud the young women who knew better, and bucked male and establishment peer pressure to be so smart as to choose and stand with Hillary.

      • http://N/A breeze

        They are also being pressured by their male peers.

        They also have a need to be part of the prevailing

        ‘WITH IT CROWD’.

        • msindy

          Yep, agree, I just said this above and below. There’s nothing noble about sheer foolishness. We were not so foolish when we were in our 20′s because we didn’t have it as good. But it’s a foolish age, and people really are still kids when they are in our 20′s (with all the accompanying lack of judgement.)

          The exceptional young women who were wise and strong, the ones who backed Hillary, are the noble ones.

    • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

      In fact Sarah paid tribute to Hillary at the convention and in the Charlie Gibson interview. And to Geraldine Ferraro too.

    • msindy

      I agree, I didn’t like the article either, my comments are below.

      Geeze, you had to really wade through a lot of junk on the comments for this diary before you got to the discussion of the article…

  • Monet

    ” But if feminism means, at its core, that women should be able to compete equally in the workplace while deciding for themselves how they organise their family life, then Mrs Palin deserves to be treated as a pioneer, not dismissed as a crackpot.”

    Governor Palin isn’t a pioneer. A pioneer is the woman in the sod house with mice falling from the ceiling. Who helped cut down the trees to build the log house. A pioneer is the woman who learned everything about the farm, who could plant the crops, harvest them and put a new sod roof on the house. Governor Palin has shown up in the county when the churches and schools have been built and moved into the frame house with stove.

    The women who came before Governor Palin in politics, worked to be more knowledgeable, experienced and savvy than their male colleagues. They clawed their way up from the sod houses of politics. Governor Palin was never down there in the sod houses with the generations who came before her, they built the frame house she began her political career in.

    I respect and admire Governor Palin’s career. She worked hard, seized opportunities and was elected as governor of Alaska. However, she wasn’t chosen as Senator McCain’s running mate because of her achievements, policies, intelligence, vast experience and knowledge of domestic and international affairs. She was chosen because of her innate ability to energize a movement. Her short history as governor could be manipulated to fit the themes of Senator McCain’s campaign. As a bonus, she’s a women and has right wing beliefs.

    Governor Palin lacks the trail blazing and the overcoming of hardship that is at the core of a pioneer. She wasn’t chosen for knowledge and credentials in domestic and world affairs. She was chosen to energize a campaign that paled in comparison to the opponent’s rock star persona. She’s doing her job well. However, being chosen for her ability to energize over political credentials, achievement and successes isn’t going to have me lauding her as furthering equality for women.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      I am so sick of hearing that Palin does not have achievements or successes. She is the first woman governor of Alaska with an extremely high approval rating and she has gotten stuff done in her short time in office.

      ARRRGHHH!

      • doctorwang

        “first woman governor of Alaska with an extremely high approval rating”
        When oil has skyrocketed in value over the past two years, in a state that gets over 80% of it’s income from energy, it would have been rather hard (almost impossible) to be an unpopular governor. Especially when you cut a check to each of your constituents by imposing a windfall profit tax on the oil companies doing business in your state.

        I’m so sick of hearing how popular Sarah is…..when it’s all been based on the price of a barrel of oil.

        • DoctorNanoWang

          And I’m sick of hearing how popular Obama is… when it’s all been based on is the price of a corrupt Chicago Pol – and a barrel of bullshit.

    • doctorwang

      Very well put. Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately you won’t receive the praise you deserve here on NoQuarter. But I recommend that you cut/paste your comment onto some other (more receptive) blogs. I can guarantee that it would be appreciated.

      • Hope Floats! Flush Twice!

        I recommend you copy and paste yourself to another blog where you will find a bunch of other dittoheads.

    • JP

      “Governor Palin lacks the trail blazing and the overcoming of hardship that is at the core of a pioneer.”

      In other words: if you’re not a victim, you’re not a feminist, sorry pioneer. Right?

      Sorry I don’t buy your spin.

  • Anon 1

    Is it true rich DEMocrat short sellers want the election to be about the economy so they started selling off stocks to help Obama? The SEC is investigating and plans to limit the short sellers until it is over. I have to wonder if george Soros has a hand in al this? Remember he is the man who broke the bank of Ennland with his short selling. It is the media who is promoting this crap that Obama is better on the economy.

    • doctorwang

      One thing’s for sure- McCain wanted to fire the head of the SEC…so there goes your whackjob conspiracy theory right out the door….

    • Kal

      Thanks for this comment. This is what has been making sense to me — set up hordes of overvalued mortgage-backed securities, flood the markets with them, then start blowing the whistle over the poor asset backing, whip up a frenzy, start selling short, scare everyone, deplete the US coffers, then — The One will save us!

  • Gary McGowan

    Found at another site (emphasis added by me.)
    alexei, on September 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm Said:

    I suggest that we all contact our Senators and Congresspeople urging them to support Senator Clinton’s comprehensive, broad and bold plan to get us out of this financial and economic mess. I already have and have received positive feed back stating that they want and need to hear this.

    Hillary Clinton is fighting for us again and we need to give her out support. Obama can’t do it – so we have to make Reid and Pelosi do their job and implement Hillary’s plan.

    http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=303208&&

  • bmc

    So-Called “Feminists” Heads Explode All Over New York City, Spew Violent Hate-Filled Rage All Over Manhattan:

    http://www.nysun.com/national/palin-pick-puts-many-women-on-the-verge/86241/

    These faux “feminists” make my head explode at their stupidity….

  • ford

    JM08 is a Obama believer…it has just turned it’s MO to sound like a Pub wing nut…I remember the rants from last week..

    I guess we have to keep score of how many frightened trolls some over here to visit Momma..

    The sad excuse of NOW has of course endorsed Obama…with the 2nd woman running for VP and no female EVER in the top spots (in 2008.) Very pathetic.

    Yes, a vote for a woman is bad for women…if you pay higher taxes you are more patriotic, and the check is in the mail, and i won’t c— in your mouth.

    REALLY?

  • Sassy

    Yes Senator Clinton was an ideal candidate, and certainly tempered in the fires! However, she was pushed aside for reasons that were very obvious!
    I may disagree with Republicans on certain issues, BUT that is true of Democratic policy as well.
    One of the things I strongly supported President Clinton on was “welfare to work”! I, like many Americans, am fed up with people who go from cradle to grave on welfare…not the disabled, but able bodied people who will not seek or keep a job, any job!
    Add to that mix, a 60% or better illegitimacy rate among some(call me a racist now) and we are looking at a far greater outlay of taxpayer funds than Social Security which is funded in part by workers and employers.
    As a patriot, I will always be willing to carry my share of the burden, but others need to be required, if necessary, to do the same!
    McCain/Palin

    • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

      Welfare is very important, fundamentally so. Without welfare, you’d have a situation like Brazil, the Phillipines, etc. It would be a huge mess. Having said that…

      Chronic welfare is also a very bad thing–not as bad as the other extreme, namely no welfare whatsoever, but is nonetheless very bad.

      Human nature, humanity, people, etc., exists best in a happy medium. Biology and medicine have long known this. Sociology and liberal dogma is only beginning to catch up.

      But mind you, the federal expenditures for welfare for the poor is absolutely NOTHING compared to CORPORATE WELFARE. Consequently, when you hear the GOP run on welfare, it is nothing more than racist scapegoating. “Welfare” is code for “black”. Even before Bill Clinton reformed welfare, while it is true blacks were disproportionately those who were chronically on welfare, whites were still the majority of the beneficiaries of the federal welfare program.

      The best way to end welfare, end crime in the inner cities (since crime & unemployment go hand in hand), is to create jobs, rather than to constantly send them south of the border to Mexico or overseas to China.

      During the 1950′s and 60′s, companies moved (manufacturing) jobs moved from the cities to the suburbs due to comparatively higher city taxes. This really hurt the black communities within the cities, nationwide. Black crime began to skyrocket at this time.

      During the 1980′s and 90′s, (manufacturing) jobs went south of the border to Mexico, to take advantage of slave wages. During the 2000′s, jobs are going to China (manufacturing), India (high tech), Mexico, etc. Also, the 2000′s saw an influx of millions of illegals who are taking service, construction as well as traditional agricultural jobs, which hurts everyone, especially blacks and native born Hispanics.

      Free trade is virtually always a good thing when it is between likewise wealthy countries, with strong regulations. With poor countries, free trade is a good thing only when there is plenty of regulations and/or escape mechanism for when one side is cheating by not enforcing regulations, (fairness) agreements, and so on.

      That is, like welfare, free trade is good only when it is practiced in moderation.

      P.S. BTW, the “blacks” aren’t the ones sending jobs over to China, India, and Mexico. No, it is the white guys who run on “welfare” who are shipping jobs over to China, India, and Mexico.

      • Wisewoman

        Beowolf: You seem to have a need to respond to any and everything except the subject of the post, thereby disrupting the “conversation”. Are you “black’? Since you seem to kmow everything about blacks how old are you? Well I know a little about the subject. I am a 63 yr old, AA female Hilary supporter.

        Welfare was a response to the devastating economics of mechanized farming which put masses of people out of work on farms. Lyndon Johnson, the president wanted to help people. He designed a program called Aid To Families With Dependent Children (AFDC). The bill was designed to help a mother and father who had dependent children survive and eat until economic times improved. At that time southern democratic senators like Eastland and Stennis from MS controlled the chairmanship of important committees that the legislation had to pass through. They were opposed to any legislation that would help “AS LONG AS THERE WAS A MAN IN THE HOUSE”. Northern democrats and Eastern Republicans fought but could not get the bill out of committee. They finally compromised caved in and passed a bill that allowed help for women and children only. Therein began the destruction of families (mother, father, children) especially black families. Fathers left their families so that they could eat. Many migrated north, uneducated, hoping to find work so they could “send for there families”. Most never did. That is the legacy of the mean-spirited, hateful, shortsighted welfare legislation that is the same today as it was in the 1960s and is why there is no male in the household for welfare recipitants. I regard WELFARE and eliminating the MILITERY DRAFT as the most devastating errors in social policy since slavery and segregation.

        I am one of 15 children who grew up with a mother and father without welfare in a hard life in a small town in MS that was the poorest in the country. We all graduated high school and all but about four of the oldest children have college degrees, have good jobs and live in many places in the country.

        Only work has dignity. Welfare should be for those who can not work.

  • DancingOpossum

    I trust Frederick (War is Fun for All Girls and Boys!) Kagan about as far as I could throw his smarmy pimpled self and about as much as I trust Obama. That is to say, not in the least.

  • fif

    But if feminism means, at its core, that women should be able to compete equally in the workplace while deciding for themselves how they organise their family life, then Mrs Palin deserves to be treated as a pioneer, not dismissed as a crackpot.

    I got into an argument with a friend this week. She is a single mother of four with her own business. She is furious that Palin thinks she can be VP AND be a good mother to her kids, one pregnant and the other special needs. I reminded her that men have been doing it since the beginning of time.
    She countered: “It’s not the same! She is being incredibly selfish.”

    This is a liberal feminist in her 50′s. I was astonished. Isn’t this what women have been fighting for–the right to make their own choices? And frankly, isn’t the Democratic Party supposed to represent tolerance and open-mindedness, government staying out of our personal decisions? How do I know how she has and is going to “manage her family life.” It’s none of my damn business.

    • http://medusa2.wordpress.com Medusa

      Good read, NH.

      As an old school feminist, I think it might be edifying for young women to have to fight for the rights that we fought hard to gain. Maybe the threat of losing choice, of confronting the realities of sexism without their fore-mothers there to rebel against, will get them off their self-righteous asses.

      • msindy

        Yep, I think it was sheer self-centered foolishness, watching too many Disney princess movies, and bowing to peer pressure from the boyz that made young women (let’s just say girls, because that’s what they still are) vote for Obama.

        They would VERY QUICKLY relalize how grave their mistake had been if Obama were elected.

        There is nothing noble about these girls – and nothing noble or encouraging about the reasons they did what they did.

        The young women I admire are the ones wise enough and strong enough to know better, and stand up for Hillary.

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    ~~~~~~*****THIS IS A WONDERFUL ARTICLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!******~~~~~~~~

    It is SO SIGNIFICANT that the TROLLS ARE OUT IN FORCE to try to disrupt discussion of it!!!

    Team KoolAid has real reason to be afraid–the sentiments of a massive chunk of voting America are articulated in this article….and that, you see, is WHY they are here, disrupting and digressing.

    READ THE ARTICLE–it certainly delivers some dead-center, INCONVENIENT TRUTHS….and all the trolling in the world isn’t going to change the simple facts that the article points out.

    And remember this: The more trolls you see here, the worse Obama is doing. They are a harbinger of doom–for Team KoolAid. The more he tanks, the more they flail, the more they snark, the more they struggle to disrupt discussion here. It’s FEAR, ANGER and FRUSTRATION that drive them here….think about it–would you run around behaving like a bitter, foul, petulant, teenaged asshole if you were on top of the world, winning, assured of eventual victory? Hell, no! You’d be celebrating with your friends, popping champagne, behaving magnanimously–not carping, sniping, and disrupting.

    They are VERY AFRAID, see? And they should be!

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  • Susan1968

    Sarah Palin is a perfect example of a true feminist by my definition. So is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    They’re both shining examples of empowered women even though they disagree on issues.

    Years ago when “Women’s Lib” was a top headline, people used to ask me, “Are you into Women’s Liberation? Are you a Women’s libber?”

    I would answer:

    I’m into Susan’s Liberation.

    Because I believe no “group” can liberate us via gender politics.

    Each woman must liberate herself to live a life defined by her goals, her value, her beliefs.

    And she must succeed on her own terms.

    Palin fulfills all these feminist definition requirements as I see them.

    If I allow myself to be controlled by the philosophy of group like N.O.W., I am just trading off one boss for another.

    Male dominated society gives women one set of “shoulds” to live by.

    Feminist groups like N.O.W. give women another set of “shoulds” to live by.

    To me that simply means I’m trading one set of rules for another set of rules.

    Each woman must MAKE HER INDIVIDUAL SET OF RULES.

    She can them liberate herself on a deep personal, individual level to live the life that fulfills her, not live the life someone else tells her to live.

    This is why – for the most part – N.O.W. FAILED after 40 years.

    They ignored the INDIVIDUALITY of each woman and expected all of us to act in lockstep.

  • mary

    FREEDOM FIGHTER

    Obama’s Trolls must be getting paid $7.50 per hour (50C increase since Palin’s nomination!) to find the temerity, stupidity and utter disregard for Truth to say Hillary is not a Feminist! Wake up, boy-troller and stop licking Obambi’s milk bottle, you sexist piggie! Shut the hell up for you are just an impecunious dunderhead paid by Axelord’s thugs to promote the ANOREXIC SEXIST PIGGIE, MONSEUR OBAMA!

    And Freedom Fighter, Sweetie, could you buy Biden a new hair plug on top of his left ear, hon!??thanks, jerk!

  • msindy

    Sorry New Hampster, I didn’t care for the article all that much. I think younger women voted for Obama out of sheer foolishness – and if he is elected, they will quickly see how foolish they have been. I’m not over 60 nor am I under 30, but I’m just not stupid and know a dream candidate, regardless of gender, when I see one – and that was Hillary Clinton. Would I have recognized her when I was in my 20′s? Probably not, I was pretty foolish back then, too, and went along with what the boys said about politics more than I should have. There was a lot of peer pressure among young liberals to vote for Obama, and a lot of misinformation about Hillary, much of it propagated by the formerly trusted head of the party, the DNC, but some remarkable young women said HELL NO. Those are the ones I applaud.

    And Camille Paglia? She’s a female impersonator. I’ve never agreed with a single vile thing she has said. Her hailing Palin hurts her more than helps her.

    I’m with you, though, on the issues. Obama is a horrible candidate, and Palin deserves respect.

  • Jackie

    Governor Palin would have easily fit in the Real DNC. She would have been welcomed with open arms in NOW.

    Something has happened and it isn’t good for women.

    Why do we seem to denegrate women who CHOOSE a traditional role?

    Sarah Palin has a good partner and has done everything for her kids and her State. She expresses her beliefs in her life–isn’t that what it is to be an american woman?