It Isn’t About “Freedom To Practice Religion,” Obama

Palin is still living “rent free” in Barry`s head.

Mr. President, should they or should they not build a mosque steps away from where radical Islamists killed 3000 people? Please tell us your position. We all know that they have the right to do it, but should they? And, no, this is not above your pay grade. If those who wish to build this Ground Zero mosque are sincerely interested in encouraging positive “cross-cultural engagement” and dialogue to show a moderate and tolerant face of Islam, then why haven’t they recognized that the decision to build a mosque at this particular location is doing just the opposite? Mr. President, why aren’t you encouraging the mosque developers to accept Governor Paterson’s generous offer of assistance in finding a new location for the mosque on state land if they move it away from Ground Zero? Why haven’t they jumped at this offer? Why are they apparently so set on building a mosque steps from what you have described, in agreement with me, as “hallowed ground”? I believe these are legitimate questions to ask.

- Sarah Palin

Thanks for your commentary, RRRA. This isn’t about religious freedom at all. It is more about power and monied interests trying to shove a Mosque down the throats of New Yorkers. I stand with them. No to the Mosque. It is not appropriate by any stretch of the imagination.

And while I’m on the subject of appropriate behavior, why would any religious sect want to build an edifice on a site that others might object to? Every major religion, including Islam, has the Gold (and Silver) Rules embedded within them. Here in east Tennessee, we’re trying to stop a Mosque from being built near a VA hospital. Nothing like a Mosque to bring up bad memories for soldiers recuperating from wars in the ME. 

Excellent analogy, S4H. I concur.

I agree with this lady, who by the way is a Canadian Muslim Congress Board Member.  Here is her interview with Bill O’Reilly.  I hope you can access it as I’ve never posted a link here before.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=hdnznzZuaG

It’s called “respect”. Or more accurately disrespect at that hallowed site. It’s a graveyard for crying out loud.

I couldn’t imagine how the relatives / sons/daughters /parents of thousands of those victims feel after hearing their own president speak up on behalf of the islamists.

U.S. citizens or not, “private land” or not, it’s a horrible event and a mass graveyard!

Carmelite nuns opened a convent in 1984 near Auschwitz.  After protests from Jewish groups, leaders from the Catholic church agreed in 1987 to its removal. 

Why are Muslim leaders so insistent on having this mosque placed near Ground Zero?  Why is the United States paying to build mosques in foreign countries?  Where is the ACLU?  We can’t even have a cross, Christmas decorations, etc. in public places but we are suppose to believe this mosque will be a kumbuya moment with the Muslims?

Obama was dragged into this? How? Who publicly asked him to weigh in?  Once again it’s not Obama fault. Although Obama is the POTUS he had no choice.  So this unpopluar view Obama took was beyond his control. If that’s true then it proves that Obama has no leadership abilities. 

Sargent is talking out of both sides of his mouth. He says Obama was urged to stay out of it and in the next breath says it was forced. According to what Mr. Sargent says hinself Obama made a choice. 

I’m waiting for the first pundit to say it’s GWB’s fault.  I can hear the twisted logic now. GWB ignored the PDB saying Bin Laden was determined to strike (true) and I was as harsh as anyone for that failure.  Thus it’s GWB’s fault that there’s even a request to build a mosque.  

Obama is not responsible for anything. Funny, when GWB tried to blame his mistakes on Bill Clinton people rightfully pointed out that Clinton was no longer President.  New rules different Prez.  Or if you disagree there’s always  the race card.

RRRA,

Your last question is important.  Why won’t they take the offer for other land on which to build their mosque?  Most of us don’t have to think about the answer–they,re gloating.  That’s indeed how it feels to me.  It’s no way to win the hearts and minds of the American people, if that is what they say they’re doing.  They want us to bow to them.

I think of G.E. Lessing’s Enlightenment story of Nathan the Wise and the parable of the three rings.  I understand tolerance and freedom of religion, but I think in this case of the proposed mosque at Ground Zero, the judge in the story would have told the child who represented Islam that obviously at least he could tell that on this matter, he (the child) had the fake ring.

They’re behavior in this regard does not reflect well, I think, on their understanding of their Allah.

Jerks!  If they get it built, I would seriously consider traveling to NY to stand in picket lines at least once a year.

Maybe we should ask to build a huge Christian cultural center at Ground Zero in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Maybe the Japanese, as Scranton4Hillary should not build a restaurant but should build a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor in which they explain clearly the idea of Kamikaze.  Maybe the Aryan Nation should put up a cultural center at Bergen Belsen.  Maybe the Muslims who want to do this need to get some class.

Are any of the MSM besides Fox interviewing that very erudite, well-spoken Muslim woman from Canada who explained why it would be wrong for that mosque to be built there from a Muslim perspective?

I am happy to see that many in the media understand that this is not about freedom of religion.  So, again, this is another position Obozo is taking against the wishes of the majority of the American people.

Somebody please explain to me WHY so many Americans voted for him? 

She is like friggin energizer bunny.

Sorry for the lack of proofreading.

Obama is not responsible for anything. Funny, when GWB tried to blame his mistakes on Bill Clinton people rightfully pointed out that Clinton was no longer President.  New rules different Prez.  Or if you disagree there’s always  the race card.
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You always cut to the chase, candymarl. Thank you.

When it comes to America’s culture and wishes, the other countries (or Islam in this vein) don’t have to respect the United States.
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Yeah, we give billions to the malcontents and all they want to do is bitch about how evil we are. Stop all foreign aid and I’d bet my bottom dollar there’d be a tidal change in attitude. All that is needed is a come-to-Jesus meeting, as it were. We have money and you don’t. Want some? Then get with the program, buster.

Frankly I am not surprised that Obama supports this mosque at Ground Zero.  I am not surprised at all.  It is just one more turd on his ever growing pile of turds that he dumps on this nation.  One after another without thought or care for what anyone truly thinks.  He does not care how the American people feel except at the voting booths when he wants a vote in his favor.  He lies, he double-speaks, he twists things to suit his aggenda and unfortunately a lot of people continue to swallow what he spews without complaint.  He is like an abusive spouse who slaps their “loved one” across the face then turns around and says, “I love you.”  It’s psycho-babble.   I was glad to see Bush gone from the White House but I will be dancing in the streets with Obama is out of there forever.  Let us hope we do not go from bad to worse to horrifying on our next selected president.

This mosque business does not end well. I am sick thinking about it. 

Look, we need to come to terms with something basic: Obama is not our President. He’s the President to be sure. I still respect the office. But he is not a man connected to this country in the way we assume our Presidents are. He’s not FOR US. 
Obama represents someone, some group, some power, but he does not care about or represent the people of the United States. 

Too many “Jackie’s” sums it up nicely!

I’ll buy several from you, DLCHNTC. Let us know when you start selling them.

Agreed. That One is merely an occupant of the office…or, even better, a squatter. He is no more an American citizen (of the Uniteed States) than Hugo Chavez, even though they have the same narcissistic and Marxist tendencies.

I concur, Hokma. Bloombilge is dead wrong and I’m sure real New Yorkers will have a vociferous say in this. They won’t take this lying down. The Islamists can put up a mosque to commemorate their “victory” in Qom or Beirut or Damascus but not here.

I also know that everyone responsible for 9/11 was a Muslim.
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And we have never received an apology. What you said, PE, is the absolute, irrefutable truth, which cannot be argued with.

Where’s that apology? Crickets
Where’s the remorse? Nowhere to be found. 

All we get is the you-deserved-it crap from the Islamist apologists. They are in a hole right about now and should stop their digging.

You’re welcome Ferd.

Obama needs to go to some other country and represent it, he does not represent this country.

So who are you morons who voted for this pig?  Step up and take responsibility for what you did.  You idiots who voted for the pig for no other reason than to be able to dance around and scream, “Weeee. Weeeee!  I have a black president, Weeee, Weeee!  I get to play the race card!  Wee Wee!”

Did you idiots get off on yourselves?  Are you all wee weed out?  Was it worth it?

After you jerks get off on playing the race card, I want to know what you going to do to fix my country that you are responsible for wrecking. 

That morning, my sister-in -law called me from AL and asked if I were watching TV…She thought one of our sons worked in the WTC.

At that time, only one plane was reported to have crashed, maybe accidentally, into the Towers.  I immediately thought of the small plane that crashed into the Empire State Bldg. years before. Little did I know at that moment how ungodly this “accident” was. going to be.

This is beyond moronic and political ineptitude. 
Obama’s audience included diplomats from Muslim countries that will not allow freedom of religion. And they gave a standing ovation to his denouncenent of the U.S.for the practices that they are guilty of. 
I have seen hypocrisy but this is beyond words.

– Flag I copied this from Larry’s thread because I cannot write any more – I am speechless with anger. – Edit – Moderate

Diana, for the life of me, I do not know.  I wonder abt that all the time, too – who voted for this man??  Astonishing.

As I understand it, a bunch of construction workers refuse to work on the mosque if it is built there. 

Diana, great comment – they cannot possibly hope to win the hearts and minds of Americans if they insist upon building it somewhere that causes so much pain and agony for so many people – check that – that IS causing so much pain, anxiety, angst, the list goes on.

What is in it for this imam?

You are too kind, Ferd.  Thank you.  You touch my heart.

Wow, Portia Elizabeth, what a moving, heart wrenching comment.  It literally moved me to tears.

I was in Silver Spring, MD, at the home of an old college chum and his wife, who, at the time worked for the DOE, but had not gone into work that day as she dealt with the effects of the chemo treatments she was undergoing at the time (and she ultimately lost that battle).  At first, we thought it was just an accident, a little private plane that had problems.  But then we watched together, like you and the others, stunned.

I went to seminary in NYC.  One of my friends from seminary worked in that area.  Thankfully, she was not in the WTC.

My partner’s parents were at their house in VA, near the Pentagon where my partner’s father had worked for many years (he’s a retired 3-star).  Her mother said the ground literally shook from the impact of the plane slamming into the Pentagon.  One of the exec, assistant’s in her father’s office there  was the next to last to get out of that section alive.

It is personal.  It is personal to each and every American what happened that day.  To gloss over who it was who executed this plan, who executed over 3,000 Americans that day, is reprehensible.

That does not say all Muslims are like those who sought to do us harm, who seek to do us harm still.  Of course not.  Just like all Chrisitans aren’t like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson.  But aht does not mean they do not exist, that does not negate what they did here, what Hasan did at Fort Hood.  To do so sullies the memories of those whose lives were taken from them.  IMHO, that is…

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Muslim Gay Bar: Why Are the
Intolerant Preaching Tolerance?
 
Big Hollywood,
by Greg Gutfeld   

Original Article

8/14/2010 

So the other night I announced plans to build a gay bar catering to Islamic men, near the proposed mosque site near Ground Zero.The goal? To echo the mosque’s own website, which says it’s trying to promote integration and tolerance. I figured, I could return the favor, by opening a gay bar.After all, Islam despises homosexuality – and this Muslim-friendly gay bar would help mend fences.Right now the working name of the bar is Heaven and Halal. It will be two floors – one serving Hallel food, and other other serving cocktails. There will be 72 of them….

Oh, I thought the name was to be “You Mecca me Hot”

The packers arrived that morning, as we were moving across country.  They said a plane had hit the Twin Towers.  I thought they were joking.  Terrifying day.  

As we traveled across the country:  Silence across the country.  Flags out in Kansas.  When we got to New Mexico the Santa Fe Indian School had put paper feathers all over their fence along the main road into Santa Fe.  Feathers are for spirits gone to the Great Spirit.  

Very moving.  I still get tears thinking about that. 

I was driving to work at a school that beautiful morning of 9/11.  I knew we would spend the day in some sort of modified lockdown. The secretary kept a TV going and sent bulletins around the building.  We were not allowed to leave for lunch in case we had to deal with a more serious situation. The kids were wide-eyed and the adults were on edge – hoping it wouldn’t develop into something much more devastating – like a war.

Obama has the freakin’ audacity to say the mosque is a local deal. Bullshyt!  This impacted and still impacts everyone in this country!

And that is why it is particularly meaningful, Ferd – I know you mean it.  I am honored…

Thanks!  May I digresss to ask how things are with your son?  Katmoon?

Absolutely, EllenD, and thank you so much for the lovely compliment!!  (Just out of curiosity, where do you want to quote it?  )

Wow, EllenD and Daisy Mae – just wow.  Your comments brought tears to my eyes, too, especially the feathers…

That’s the best, Sowsear!

Congratulations on another brilliant and powerful post.  You have crystalized the heart of the issue.

Why?  For the obvious reason.  There’s no smoke and mirrors going on here.  They’re building it to make manifest this word: triumphal.

Where is the ACLU on this?
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On the wrong side. I left the ACLU 6 years ago.

What amazes me is that anyone would believe for a nanosecond that beelzubama would ever do anything but speak with a forked tongue!!

“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

Thanks!  May I digresss to ask how things are with your son?  Katmoon?
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Our son is in Afghanistan (4th combat tour and now with the Curahee unit) and Kat is at Ft. Campbell with our daughter-in-law and children to help since they are so young (3 and 1 yr old). I’m taking care of the menagerie here (my children).

Thank you, Amy and for the article.  911 is not far from the surface for most of us.  So many of my email are enfuriated, several called me when they got the Bobo assinine pronouncements.  This will have big legs in the country, I think.  

Just exactly what disconnects in your brain when it comes to the central theme of Amy’s discourse?

You are not debating, Jackie. You are preaching the gospel according to Jackie.  Chapter 72.  Muslims good anyone who disagrees bad

You completely miss the point. You do it on purpose because you need to stand by your progressive bilge water notions rather than see all sides of an issue.

The comparisons stand, Jackie.  Your progressive diatribe does not.

“You ought to be ashamed…”  No shyt Jackie, YOU ought be ashamed.

“Muslims good anyone who disagrees bad”

Nope.  That’s your statement, not mine.  That’s your favored straw man, I suppose, but not one I created.

Susan, or moderator:  So sorry for multiple posts.  Could you pls remove bottom 2?  Thanks!

“The financial district doesn’t need a mega mosque” 
 
It already has 2 mosques in the area. 
 
“If they put a minaret on their mosque, you may as well consider it a giant finger, cuz that’s their message to all of us.” 
 
I work in the very same area, and will not consider it anything.  It means nothing to me, because I am not afraid of a mosque.  Grow a spine.

“I work in the very same area, and will not consider it anything.  It means nothing to me, because I am not afraid of a mosque.  Grow a pair.”

That’s because you’re such an insufferable loser that you hate this country and it’s history. So, why should gross insults like the mosque and Obama bother you?

One could only hope that if the bullets start to fly over this mosque disgrace, that the nightmarish perambulating gargantuan wiry haired pustulating chancre, otherwise known as Jackie, is either caught in the crossfire, or is the first target as mutually agreed upon by both waring parties. 

How does one protect & defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign & domestic if one is of the belief that sedious speech & actions are protected by the 1st Amendment?

If a group/individual openly admits to wanting to replace the Constitution with another form of governance such as theocratic Shariah & that group maintains its goals are protected by free speech & freedom of religion, it would seem to me that argument, carried to it’s conclusion, could in fact turn the Constitution into a literal suicide pact.

Given that the current liberal/progressive mindset advocates for extending Constitutional protections to foreign nationals accused of commiting acts of terrorism against the U.S. I wonder how that liberal mindset would feel if the Supreme Court vindicated/excused the accused perps because jihad is both allowed & mandated by their religion.

Gosh socalannie, are you aware that Jackie initially suggested that you “grow a pair”, BEFORE she told you to “grow a spine”? 

What do you suppose she meant by “grow a pair”? Do you think she wanted you to grow a pair of antlers? Or, how about a pair of rocket powered tennis shoes? Hmmm, those options don’t make much sense. Do you think it’s possible that Jackie was directing you to grow a pair of testicles? Oh heavens! Could there be a more sexist directive than ordering a woman to grow some balls so that she could have the attributes of a man? Jackie couldn’t possibly be so flagrantly sexist……………..could she? 

NQ readers, Jackie has yet again displayed her monumental hypocrisy: she is a racist who accuses everyone else of racism, she is a sexist who accuses everyone else of sexism, she is a bigot who accuses everyone else of bigotry, she is a………………well…..most of you get the idea.

Haha!  Well done!  No I didn’t know that!  I think you’ve got her nailed perfectly, Onofre! 

Thanks, Linda!

Thanks, Socalannie!  I appreciate that.

And honestly, if Jackie started agreeing with me, I’d think I had gone through the vortex… 

Thank you, Noogan.

And as for the answer?  Yikes!!

obamadinejad wouldn’t know wisdom if it bit him in the ass!

“Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

Not surprised that Oblahblah would be tyring to WORM again. Just somewhat surprised at how really bad he is at politicking. He recently said he was “pretty good at it”. This seems to give lie to that.

Oblahblah unscripted and without the Lame-stream media slobbering all over him is a sad little POS with his foot in his mouth as often as his VPOTUS.

Some left-leaning, actually left falling over, pundidiots are applauding him for this. Shows they are as far out of touch as he is. But we knew that, didn’t we?

Emperor Id continues to remind me of Britain’s PM Neville Chamberlain before WWII–his policy style came to be known as ”failed appeasement” –smiling and waving a signed peace agreement with Hitler who had promised not to invade SE Europe.  Hitler promptly attached  Poland.  It’s admirable to attempt peaceful resolutions but deadly consequences can result when you are too naive to assess the true dasterdly intentions of your foes.
BO is an academic–a speech maker.  He demonstrates little or no common sense.  Our nation is suffering from his secretive background and lack of resume .

Has anyone considered that this proposed mosque will be a potential TARGET for retaliation? This is going to push someone over the edge. There are many places in New York for a mosque to be built,( there are over 100 mosques in New York at this time- WHY DO MUSLIMS NEED ANOTHER) why in this particular place? It seems to me that this is a challenge, as in I dare you to do something about this. The sad thing is, if (WHEN) something happens, it will be blamed on WHITE CHRISTIANS for some kind of perceived intolerance to ISLAM. Of course the MSM will play it as somehow racist or some kind of an  anti-islamic act.  And of course oblahblah will say how someone acted stupidly.

“One could only hope that if the bullets start to fly over this mosque disgrace, that the nightmarish perambulating gargantuan wiry haired pustulating chancre, otherwise known as Jackie, is either caught in the crossfire, or is the first target as mutually agreed upon by both waring parties.”

Here is where casual hate speech eventually leads a person: wishing death, even murder, upon those who disagree with you.  You are a sad, small person whose hatred has driven them over the edge.  I sincerely pity you. 

The only thing worse than this hateful rant of yours–WISHING DEATH UPON ME–is that no fewer than 3 NQers “Liked” it.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you were drunk when you wrote this.

It is much more than tasteless.

Muslims don’t plant flags in the ground to mark their conquests. They have along tradition of building mosques.

When Muslims conquered Jerusalem they built the golden dome mosque on the very site of the holiest of Jewish temples at the time. When they conquered Istanbul they built a major mosque and the same in Spain.

This Iman is intentionally building this mosque at the site of what Muslims consider a conquest (the destruction of the WTC – THE symbol of western culture) not as a symbol of reconciliation but as a worldwide symbol of conquest.

Hey Noogan,  I’ve got a little reading assignment for you, just to broaden your scope a bit. Google: Malmo Sweden+Muslims & read away.

Don’t get me wrong your advocacy in defense of a minority is admirable. We do have 2 congressmen who are Muslim & a very high ranking Muslim Officer in the Pentagon. I’m suprised you didn’t mention them.

Should you indulge me by reading about the situation in Malmo perhaps you’ll discover a bit more sympathy for some of the comments Just-Me wrote that you were so quick to condemn as “bashing.”

He’s a speech READER.

If this so called community center Mosque is built I foresee a shortage in all pet stores in NY and NJ of cockroaches, mice and rats.  And I foresee a Mosque infested with cockroachees, mice and rats.  Heck throw in a few snakes just to make it interesting.

Sadly, no RRRA. I am a dilettante at blogging.
Right now this cat has so many lives being lived simultaneously that there is no time.
Perhaps next year. Thank you all for your interest. You are all too kind.

as a new yorker, i sincerely doubt that mosque will ever be completed.

id love to see brietbart offer a big reward for some or all of those records obama had sealed regarding his past. he did it the very day he became president.  what does he have to hide.? its about time america knew  exactly who this imposter is. we have a right to know and  we should be DEMANDING  to know.

has hillary weighed in on this mosque thing? i havent heard a word out of her. i cant imagine shes too happy about it which is why she’s been so quiet.

I don’t think he knows what he is.  He’s completely confused.  He feels disconnected with any definition of himself internally as well as externally, which is why he’s so determined to commit to nothing.  He’s not Christian, he’s not Muslim, he’s not anything, and he’ll never even examine it closely enough to determine if he’s atheist.  He knows nothing about himself — no one with that freakish ability to morph into everyone’s individual hopes and dreams could have a stable, settled idea of themselves.

You know, sort of like this above, RRRAmy….