How The Trolls Win – Required Reading

I read somewhere that this Rovian tactic of distraction is actually called “ugly frog” whereby you wave an ugly frog in front of your opponent’s face so that s/he reacts to the ugly frog rather than continue to make her/his point.

You’re right, trolls must simply be ignored. But we also must be aware that there are some trolls who can also hijack a post by responding to other trolls, thereby creating an echo chamber for themselves.

good one.

It is international talk like a Pirate Day!

Direct marketing to military families is in order

The group vets for freedom has don several ads exposing Obama. Maybe they would be interested in the story.

http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/contact/

Mailing Address:

Vets for Freedom
1200 Eton Court, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007

Phone: (202) 338-4070
Fax: (202) 338-4076

BTW, please go to the NY Post story on this and BUZZ IT UP on Yahoo. Part of the problem is that the Obamabots get busy buzzing up anti-McCain/Palin stories and we’re not buzzing up the anti-Obama ones:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_objects_129453.htm?&page=0

(Click on the BUZZ UP button on the right)

If you believe Obama violated the Logan act go to this link. It’s so easy to voice your concern.

http://www.rallycongress.com/americansentinel/1223/a-call-for-hearings-into-senator-barack-obamas-violation-of-the-logan-act/

Note: use the “send for free” option.

so right….why is the news ignoring this ??

this is the worst thing an American can do….

A point system like YouTube comments.

I think that the initial surge of interest in Sarah Palin, and by extension the McCain candidacy, was probably to a significant degree based on feminist solidarity. McCain’s bump in the polls, which was significant, came both from exciting the base (which loves Palin’s evangelical roots) and from a lot of female independents.

However, over the next couple weeks, as people figured out a) that Sarah Palin lied through her teeth in her first major address to the American public, and b) Sarah Palin can’t talk about substantive issues without sounding like a high schooler who just finished cramming for a final, she lost those votes. And today, in all major public opinion polls, she is the least liked and most disliked of the four candidates.

To recap: her initial popularity was indeed a triumph of feminism. Her resulting unpopularity is a triumph of reason, which is not inconsistent with feminism. I myself, who absolutely love Barack Obama and loathe John McCain, got a kick out of seeing the public show Palin such a strong initial surge of support, just as I loved seeing Hillary make such a great run in the primary and would have been a strong supporters of hers if she’d won the primary.

Fortunately for Obama, the Democrats, and the entire world, Sarah Palin is most decidedly not ready for prime time. At this point she’s a drag on the McCain ticket. But then again, so is McCain…lol…

I saw her on Hannity last night, the woman is the real deal. I’ve been getting the ‘boogey man creationist Palin’ emails from friends. She said in the interview last night that her parent(s) are teachers and one actually teaches science. They have always talked about evolution and the many different views on the subject and she respect all views. Try again bots.

i don’t trust the Marist poll at all i saw it too and was immediately suspicious as all of their poll results tilted obama Rasmussen I respect more

Oh I think she has a big old lesbo crush on Sarah. Btw, has Bernhard done anything lately? This is an old and well worn publicity stunt right out of the handbook. Any publicity is good publicity.

She’s the female version of Andy Dick!

She is also incredibly FUGLY!!!

Somehow, I doubt a mother of five who can field dress a moose is worried about Sandra’s homothugs.

These women make me so ashamed.

How in the hell do liberal democratic feminists expect to be taken seriously after the way they have viciously attacked Gov Sarah Palin? These are the worst kind of sexist remarks and coming from a woman no less.

Okay, I get it. There are serious ideological differences between liberal feminists and Palin. Then attack her on the issues for God’s sake. But carrying on like a bunch of petty, silly, vindictive ‘bitches’ is not the way to get this across. No woman should be caught dead making off-handed, violent, offensive remarks encouraging gang rape or rape of any kind. This is playing into hands of misogynists. Doesn’t Berhard have a daughter? Does she really think gang rapists are going to stop and ask her daughter her political views before they violate her?

I used to have respect for a lot of these women, but I’ve lost it. They represent everything in a woman that I want no part of. Mindless and sorely lacking in critical thinking.

If they don’t get that their approach to fighting Palin is wrong then they missed the point of their own Movement.

Sad, sad, sad day. And that 0bama brings this out in people, is not a good sign.

OK, I will respond to your post above where you say it is the triumph of reason now, now that the Palin bump is receding. I don’t think so at all. The excitement is still there and conversions have happened and the system has reached a steady state. I am a feminist and a staunch liberal and I welcome Palin with all my heart. We have to have female candidates of all stripes to reach a critical mass so that things are no longer gender specific. In a democracy, if she has a following and the votes she will survive. You don’t have to vote for her if you don’t like her policies but where you give a male Republican candidate a pass, you’re trying to stifle her chances because she is a woman and because you think she is wrong for your kind of feminism. Your position is all the more weak if you also did not support Clinton. Then you have the stupidity to reject a well qualified candidate on flimsy reasons and then come back cry foul on this other woman. I think Palin is good for democracy and McCain has done a wonderful job shattering all kinds of myth in presenting her, a mother of 5 with ambition, confidence, and raw political instincts matching any male candidate there is. What did your candidate do in comparison? {I am not holding my breath to read your response to that question.}

Yes, you’re one of our best-known trolls. A real “point and laugh” character.

Persistent little fucker, too! Mindless, and repetitive, as well!

Paid, or afraid, or both.

Truth is truth. You asked, you got.

Same here. Stay on topic and support each other. I know if I post a remark and no one answers, it’s deflating, but I’m a grownup and it’s no big deal. Imagine if it were my only hobby!

Maybe they can start putting the cages to use out in Denver? She seems like a good potential occupant.

I thought he was chicken little…

JM08 is a McCain supporter. He always has been, and he is clear about that. I’ve never seen him stir up any trouble except when he criticizes Hillary – and there is a difference between criticism and attacking.

It is Obama whom we shouldn’t trust.

I know what you mean, Jean. I lurked here for several months before I got up the nerve to post, and now when I have something to say I just jump right in. You’re right about being glad to have someplace where you can express your distrust of Obama and know that there are others who feel the same way. It sure beats biting your nails or grinding your teeth. Both of which I did a lot of before I got the nerve to post.

Thanks for the reminder, Paul3triple. Election season is upon us, and everybody turns into an analyst!

Anonymous – your name should be “CASSANDRA”

You know, from Shakespeare.

OK, as usual I’m left scratching my head as to where they see the racism. They see “two sinister-looking black men.” I see Obama and Raines, both nice looking men in business attire. It seems to me that there’s racism and fearmongering here, all right, but it’s not coming from the McCain camp.

oh yes! I saw that, in fact Greta called her a pig twice! Ha, I was cheering Greta on. And she just said it so calmly…it was great!!

Gee, I must be part of that White Trash sub-demographic who have a higher education, love arugula and watch PBS. I guess that Mallick includes the Baroness Lady Rothchild as well. I truly believe that Palin supporters cut across all demograhics.

That comment is PURE HOGWASH — a perfect slogan for such a despicable PIG! Good for Greta for calling it like it is.

Freedom Fighter isn’t old enought to drink beer.

Clinton Fan, you are so right! Whenever they are in a panic they strike.

I find this to be an odd comment. I think a lot of PUMAs, or if you would prefer, a lot of NQ users, really are Republicans who hate Democrats and liberals. I don’t see how it could be otherwise; I read too many comments here about “liberals” and “socialists” and “black liberation theology” all the other usual right-wing code words. These can’t all be from Democrats who just happen to dislike Obama.

As someone who has supported and has skin in this game for more than 36 years, I feel that between my personal observations and where this party has erred, I can pretty much say what I want. If you don’t like it, or think that my McCain vote says whatever you need it to say to rubber stamp your thinking process, that is fine with me. But the same people who come here bitching about their constitutional rights better get a big clue: zeromama will NEVER rule with a majority of American’s support if he gets elected.

OBAMA LIE #456

Is that all, I thought he hit the 800 mark already.

yep. the more barry’s acolytes “get in their faces” out here, the more temporary republicans they create. unfortunately for barry, the general election for president is a secret ballot.

please, please don’t give him the opportunity to turn all voting into “card check” here in the USA

lolol!

Here is another perfect example of an Obama “thug”:

The not-so-funny Sandra Bernhard:

Now you got Uncle Women, like Sarah Palin, who jumps on the s–t and points her fingers at other women. Turncoat b—h! Don’t you f–kin’ reference Old Testament, bitch! You stay with your new Goyish crappy shiksa funky bulls–t! Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you b—h! Because we have left it open for interpre-ta-tion! It is no longer taken literally! You whore in your f–kin’ cheap New Vision cheap-ass plastic glasses and your [sneering voice] hair up. A Tina Fey-Megan Mullally brokedown bulls–t moment.

Thanks Obama for a wonderful election year and the shining leadership and example you provide for your devoted follwers…

The polls will be all but unreliable until after the debates. See previous election years’ pre-debate polls – they are all over the place and more often than not had no relation to the final vote tallies.

McCain Gains On Issues, But Stalls As Candidate Of Change
Presidential Race Remains Even
http://people-press.org/report/450/presidential-race-remains-even

When the current survey of registered voters is narrowed to those most likely to vote, the margin between the candidates contracts further. Among 2,307 likely voters surveyed, the race is tied at 46%-46%.

Thank you. I’m a Republican and a Hillary supporter. Was a Democrat for 20+ years but since the loonies took over the party, I checked out. If Hillary had won the nomination, I would’ve voted for her. I’m not going anywhere.

I saw a piece about this in readers articles at RCP yesterday…it said the little boy got one nothing about dead father, maybe a different story…said it was half filled out already…he is 5 years old.

Here is a link to the story. Except it does not mention the boys mom comment that her father who passed also got one.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/17500682/detail.html

Yes, look at what Soros is all about. He is behind the DNC.

People who are hurting financially and are scared will run to CHANGE with out asking to many questions.

He makes a lot of money by crashing economies plus gets his socialist candidate into office.

Hopefully Americans aren’t that stupid.

I think the timing of short selling whipping this whole thing up is no coincidence.

We need a Penny Pritzker ad, too. There’s at least a half dozen close Obama acquaintances knee deep in this Wall St. crisis whack-a-mole game.

I find in the last few weeks, the first thing a troll posts is an insult…to stop the conversation and control the emotions of posters. Once they get you mad, the subject and all you good intentions are gone, and it just becomes third grade. The moment someone insults you, disengage. No matter what they say or how many times they say it, do not respond. On some sites they have actually posted 3-7 posts after i stop, trying in desperation to re-engage me. It apparently makes them nuts. If you want to make them mad, do not respond, it works great. I have returned hours later to read their posts and they started talking to each other, patting their own backs as if they did something, generally outing themselves to the entire board.
Want to hurt or anger a troll? Do not respond, they can’t handle it. It’s a truly lovely thing.

NO NO NO — No helping the sick jerks. Let em set fire to themselves or jump off a bridge (a high one). Let em sky dive without chutes or go swimming skinny dippin with concrete water wings. Let em self destruct–the sooner the better.

I never went to Daily Kos but I don’t believe those at Obamington Post deserve any sympathy. They drove any decent people away from that site a long time ago. Let the full force of their bad karma bite them in the butt.

Chris Dodd’s name keeps coming up alot lately…me smells a skunk….

The same people padding Obama’s pockets were padding his also to keep quiet. Dodd will not investigate himself…he is the head of the committee that watches over places like Fannie and Freddie, he took the money and let them bundle bad loans and sell them to the banks and look where we are now…he needs to be removed form office in my opinion.

Did anyone read the comments? Here is one from Obot Vincent Perez that caught my attention. Interesting insight into their thought processes, and they call US racists?

I just signed on and saw the news about Obama and the so called people heckeling him….WTF. What do black people expect of the man. We finally have a a viable black man that can win and all these ignorant niggas can ask is what he can do for us, why not ask the same of the last 40 something presidents including Mccain. It would be totally impossible for him to win if he got up there talking about black issues only, the last time i checked black and latinos make up maybe 20 to 25% of the population so lets be realisitc. It kills me to see these reports of black people especially black women crying over Hillary’s white ass not being nominated the last time i checked the Clintons did nothing for black people, the only thing Bill did is get on arsenio hall and played the sax and now he’s down….get the fuck out of here.

This I think is being misunderstood greatly. Win or lose this election… Obama has built an army of Obots… on the democratic dime. I don’t think the “Camp Obama” mentality is going away… win or lose. This has become something of a “cult”. If I knew a more articulate way to say that… I would have.

Kag,
It’s a great site and the conversations get intense and sometimes they take some wild turns and rides, the only rules I have ever seen applied at NQ are in regards to filth of the racist sexist nature, beyond that, the engaging of trolls happens,because we are human and we snap, and let’s face it have been accused by our own previous party of just about everything, sometimes, we work really hard, and sometimes there is a much needed smack down. I like your post, as it reminds me of a similar time when I went through the same thing you did. I can’t say I have ever been called a troll by an NQ regular, actually I never have. We have a lot of different walks we come from to a common ground, one which supports freedom of speech, and encouraging each other to vote. Glad you are here.

And? So what? A bunch of black guys holding up signs that read KKK.
This was your monumental find?

I’m trying to decode all these names …

Free dumb
Fritzee
What the S Fu
Seawhiner
Coo Coo Wacko
Jamezee
Fran-Arse
Dr. Wanker
jeedeebee

Thanks for the list. LOL, how come these $7/hour trolls haven’t been banned?

I sent an email to her:

———- Forwarded message ———-
From:
Date: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Subject: Your Kurtz article Today
To: ombudsman@washpost.com

The Washington Post is a national fixture in American journalism. You all printed twice the Raines provided housing and mortgage economic advice to the Obama campaign over the spring and summer. Politico wrote it in July as well based on your story.

If the advice claim was false, why did Raines make it, and the Obama campaign not push back when the article was written and Politico also noted it, amongst others?

Now, with McCain calling Obama on it and the housing oversupply issue front and center in this election, you allow Kurtz to again call McCain a liar and cover for the Obama campaign’s obvious lie that Raines never provided Obama any economic advice.

I know y’all like Obama and all…..but seriously, are you a news organization or an Obama campaign division?

Kurtz should be demanding that Obama admit the whole truth on his ties to Raines, and Johnson, and Pritzger – all of which have fingerprints on the subprime mess. Not to mention Rubin (pushed the Gramm bill to signature by Bill C., ran Citigroup policy re Enron and tried to use his influence with Treasury and credit reporters to prop it up) and Summers (also pro Gramm bill re deregulation) and the fact that Obama is #2 in Fannie Mae receipts of contributions since 1989 –he’s only been on the national scene since 04!

So Obama lies, and your paper has evidence of Obama’s lie re no Raines ties, you printed and factchecked it, and you call McCain a liar?

Disgrace.

Redeem yourself and do a real story on this issue of Raines ties, be a jouralist not a campaign apparatus.

Thanks for the address.
http://www.centristnet.com

Diana – you are not alone. This will be the first year I have ever voted Republican. My vote will be for John McCain; then I’ll downticket dems or independents (leaning towards the independents as of today. I don’t want to reward the Obama backers) because I don’t want an all Republican Congress with a Republican President.

Hang tough! We’ll get through this! It’s for the good of our country this time.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08
HILLARY 2012

I agree. This will be a rough one for me as well. I’ve never voted for a republican in my life. And I keep going back and forth on not voting at all or voting for McCain. I wish there was a box marked “YOU SUCK!”

I just happen to believe this is an unusually important election,/em>…

so that’s what it takes to get you to care.

That’s very disturbing. Talk about groupthink, peer pressure and just plain old harassment. That’s a taste of the U.S. under BO & company if he gets in the White House. Any opposition to his regime will have to go underground. Very scary.

I love it when idiots have to get into the “manly” sports bullshit….as if it makes them seem cooler, or something. How moronic can they be? In a NATIONAL election, you’ve got to stick with the “I’m sure it’ll be an exciting contest” type remarks, in order not to piss off one side or the other.

Way to turn a swing state red, Joey!

Hope some smartass runs that tape in a loop in Ohio!!!

LOL you worked on that all week didn’t you?