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Jim Clyburn, Climate Change, and African Americans

Well, I’ll be darned. You live and learn, as they say. How many of you, by a show of hands, knew that global warming disproportionately impacts African Americans above all other people? Show of hands? *Crickets* Yeah, that’s what I thought. Thank heavens I have my representative, Jim Clyburn (aka, “Backstabber”) to tell me these things. Otherwise, I would be living under the delusion that global warming affects ALL of us. But what do I know?

In this article, House Majority Whip: Climate Change Hurts Blacks More can tell you all about it), Rep. Clyburn said:

“It is critical our community be an integral and active part of the debate because African-Americans are disproportionately impacted by the effects of climate change economically, socially and through our health and well-being.”

Well, okey dokey then. On what did Clyburn base this assertion, one he used to help “launch the Commission to Engage African-Americans on Climate Change, a project of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies”? That would be one prepared by an organization entitled Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative (EJCC). This group:

“claims African-Americans are more vulnerable to the effects of climate change. EJCC describes itself as a “climate justice” advocacy group.

“Though far less responsible for climate change, African-Americans are significantly more vulnerable to its effects than non-Hispanic whites,” the report says. “Health, housing, economic well-being, culture, and social stability are harmed from such manifestations of climate change as storms, floods, and climate variability.

“African-Americans are also more vulnerable to higher energy bills, unemployment, recessions caused by global energy price shocks, and a greater economic burden from military operations designed to protect the flow of oil to the U.S,” it says.

Hmmm. Now, I agree that, “health, housing, economic well-being,” etc., etc. are impacted by global warming, and while there is no doubt that many in the wake of Katrina were African American, especially in New Orleans, they were not, by any stretch, the only people affected by that hurricane. They were not the only ones who lost homes, jobs, family, pets, and location as a result. I hasten to add, I am in NO way diminishing the horrors that many in New Orleans and other areas in the Gulf Coast experienced during Katrina (or Gustav, or Ike, for that matter), absolutely not. I just wonder at extrapolating from that event to such a broad statement. But it seems like that is exactly what happened:

The commission Clyburn helped launch claims Hurricane Katrina’s impact on New Orleans was a preview of how global warming will affect African-Americans.

“[W]hile individual storms cannot be linked specifically to climate change, scientists warn that warmer waters may foster-more intense storms,” the background paper on the commission’s efforts, authored by Michel Gelobter, Carla Peterman and Azebuilke Akaba said. “The flooding of New Orleans still highlights the vulnerability of the African-American community to types of extreme weather events expected with global climate change.”

Uh huh. I agree absolutely that warmer weather will foster more, and more INTENSE storms – I do live on the SC coast, after all. I am well aware. And I am certainly aware that with ANY of these big storms, it is hard for middle/upper middle class people to leave when things get bad, thus MUCH harder for people who are in a lower economic bracket. No doubt about that. And, no doubt that will include African Americans. And Hispanics, who comprise a larger part of the population than African Americans, by the way. I know that the majority of migrant farmworkers in this area are Hispanic. I am pretty sure that is the case in FL, another state frequently hit by hurricanes. And Caucasians live there, here, in LA, TX, MS…I’m just sayin’.

And another thing I find to be surprising in this report is this: HOW is it that African Americans are not as much to blame as all the rest of us for global warming? I mean, they drive cars, warm/cool their homes, and all of that just like the rest of us do, right? But somehow, they are not as much to blame for it as the rest of us? Please tell me if I am missing something here. I just find that claim to be a bit of a stretch.

And really – in all the world, US African Americans are hit HARDEST by global warming? REALLY? More than, say, China, or Pakistan or Afghanistan or Bangladesh or India that have been hit HARD by monsoons? Yeah. Okay.

There’s a little more to the study:

But the goals of environmental and race activists don’t include allowing investors to earn the benefits of putting their money into proposed solutions.

J. Andrew Hoerner, director of the sustainable economics program at Redefining Progress and a co-author of the EJCC report, told the Business & Media Institute that solutions to climate change should be designed in a way so investors don’t reap all the benefits.

“There is a certain disconnect between what is good for workers, consumers, managers, and the economy on one hand and stockholders on the other,” Hoerner said. “We found that the combination of efficient market instruments, return of the revenue, cost-effective promotion of new clean technologies and efficiency, and targeted policies for low-income households grows the economy. It increases employment and profits overall, and provides a net benefit for consumers.”

The report suggested implementing a “fee, tax or allowance auction on polluters,” which was meant to “eliminate the financial burden on low-income and moderate-income households.” This would pay for efforts to reduce global warming. Hoerner said that although it would cause product costs to increase, under his policy, the revenue from the “fee, tax, or allowance auction payment” would be redistributed to consumers to offset the higher costs.

“However, this increase in profits may be smaller than the windfall to stockholders if allowances are given away for free, even though this windfall is partially offset by higher product prices, lower sales, lower production and lower profits on the firm’s output, exclusive of the value of the allowances,” Hoerner continued. “Most businesses are energy consumers, not producers, and their interests lie with household energy consumers.”

Oh, boy. Read those last two paragraphs again. Sounds like it might be a hard sell to me – on all counts.

(If you are interested, go check out this organization: The Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative www.ejcc.org. Go to the “About Us” or whatever it’s called section. I am not implying anything untoward about this organization at all – And here is the address for Redefining Progress.)

  • Denise

    If you believe Obama violated the Logan act go to this link. It’s so easy to voice your concern.

    http://www.rallycongress.com/americansentinel/1223/a-call-for-hearings-into-senator-barack-obamas-violation-of-the-logan-act/

    Note: use the “send for free” option.

  • RepublicanChick

    James Clyburn: A victim of his own hot air.

  • WildChild

    we should send him a case of Beeno.

  • benny

    Is Clyburn deranged? Get the guys in the white coat. This guy needs to go to the funny-farm. :-)

  • http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PALIN Mary Cusack

    Ok I am getting so sick of this racist shit. this is racist. that is racist. you breath it’s racist. If they want to see real racism, just keep it up. People will rebel and use it against you. these people are like little kids throwing tantrums. I’m sick of it.

  • BEVERLY LESLIE

    Hold off on that Beeno! Hoping his own “hot air” will propell him in his “hot air” ballon over the atlantic never to be seen again.

  • agent77

    Obama heckled today..

    Please note that Obama fans chant ‘Obama” to stop the protest.

    Republicans chant “U.S.A.” in response to protests

    http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/hecklers-interrupt-obama-91908/

  • RepublicanChick

    Speaking of hot air, here’s McCain’s new ad:

    Obama Chavez (In English)

     

  • RepublicanChick

    There you are, WildChild! Great to see you.

    I’ll help with the postage. :-)

  • Firefly

    McCain has 6 new ads on the air in swing states – posted now at bythefault.com

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    OT—-
    No Time for the Facts
    http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=f56407e8-60e5-4c39-a24a-aa5734596374

    Time magazine’s Karen Tumulty accuses this campaign of racism for launching this ad targeting Senator Obama’s ties to Fannie Mae Chairman Franklin Raines. Why? Tumulty writes:

    Obama’s Fannie Mae connections are completely fair game. But this ad doesn’t even mention a far more significant tie–that of Jim Johnson, the former Fannie Mae chairman who had to resign as head of Obama’s vice presidential search team after it was revealed he got a sweetheart deal on a mortgage from Countrywide Financial. Instead, it relies on a fleeting and tenuous reference in a Washington Post Style section story to suggest that Obama’s principal economic adviser is former Fannie Mae Chairman Frank Raines. Why? One reason might be that Johnson is white; Raines is black.

    The only problem with Ms. Tumulty’s story is that we also released an today targeting Senator Obama’s extensive ties to Jim Johnson. The ad is called…Jim Johnson. And Ms. Tumulty might have been aware of its existence if she’d bothered to call this campaign to find out the facts (reporting) before indicting us for racism in a half-baked, late night rant. Tumulty also takes Obama’s response, signed by Mr. Raines, at face value. The Obama campaign says Raines didn’t advise the campaign, and Tumulty apparently wasn’t interested in getting to the bottom of that either. So we contacted Ms. Tumulty and told her of the multiple sources that tie Raines to Obama, including three separate instances in the Washington Post, none of which was ever challenged by Raines or the Obama campaign until yesterday.

    Tumulty did not correct her post, she simply responded “I grew up in Texas. I know what this stuff looks like.” Well, now we all know what hysterical liberal bias looks like as well.

  • benny

    Who Am I?

    I am under 45 years old,

    I love the outdoors,

    I hunt,

    I am a Republican reformer,

    I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,

    I have many children,

    I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor’s office.

    Have you ever heard of me before now?

    I am Teddy Roosevelt.

    25th Vice President of the United States, and 26th President of the United Sates

  • WildChild

    It’s great to be back :)

  • Pragmatist

    McCain needs to let loose his ‘ground troops’ to cream the obots’ ‘ground war’ on McCain/Palin; this is like fighting an insurgency in Iraq . . . they do not ‘play by any rules’; McCain cannot be even a little bit of a ‘nice guy’; whether he has 527′s do it or does it himself . . . he needs to let loose on these criminals (obama and his obots)!

  • IronMan

    We need to come up with a plan for a legal, large rally at the University of Mississippi for next Friday, September, 26, 2008. Tons of media will be there. Let’s make it happen!

    Location: University of Mississippi, Oxford, MS
    Event: First Presidential Debate
    Date: Friday, September 26, 2008

    ISSUE:

    Protest and spread the word anout Obama’s double dealing in Iraq.

    Thoughts?

  • roseeriter

    Oh Amy, I thought AAs were ‘hotter’ maybe thats what Clyburn was referring to..LOL!

    Good article as usual..thanks:-)

  • RepublicanChick
  • Americafirst
  • TexasBuckeye

    Mother Nature is RACIST! Planet Earth is RACIST! The Universe is RACIST!

    I’m just exhausted by the separatist attitudes. Do you want separate churches, schools, and organizations or not? If we separate from you, we’re racists. If you separate from us, you’re celebrating your heritage.

    You know what? Get on the bus or get off the bus, I don’t care anymore. Watch your step – I’m closing the door and pulling away.

    Sit wherever you like, front, middle or back. Every seat is the same price. You’ll arrive at the same time as everyone else.

  • tek

    I just read in the MSM that McCain’s linking of Obama to Fannie and Freddie set off a firestorm! So, it must be true.

  • Pragmatist

    How much money did he get to say that (a lot, I’m sure)? Obama Knowledgable (so he is quoted as saying in the link(? You GOT to be kidding!!!! He is a joke and a farce . . . just like obama!

  • veteranfortruth

    Another instance of playing the race card. And, the media continues to throw the race card in attempting to force Senator Obama’s selection as President.

    It is time for people to respond en masse to let these media outlets know that we are tired of their manipulation of the news. If you are concerned, you can start by reading this article:

    Washington Post Faults McCain For Relying On…Washington Post
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/
    as well as this:
    Howard Fineman on Frank Raines [Greg Pollowitz]
    From last night’s Countdown:

    OLBERMANN: Speaking of Obama and advisors, there’s another aspect of the McCain plan today. McCain has a new ad out claiming Obama has an economic advisor named Frank Raines. And that under Frank Raines’ leadership, Fannie Mae committed extensive fraud, and it collapsed, and Frank Raines made millions. The problem being that the Obama campaign has said tonight, “Frank Raines has never advised Senator Obama about anything ever,” that’s the quote, and Frank Raines said, “I am not an advisor to Barack Obama nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matter.” What on earth happened there?

    FINEMAN: Well, what happened is-not much. Based on what I’ve been

    told, Frank Raines did pay a visit to Barack Obama’s Senate office a couple

    I’m not sure exactly when but really before the campaign geared up big time, is my understanding and he didn’t meet with Obama.

    Frankly, Frank Raines is a kind of radioactive character around here because he was heavily criticized by independent investigators who looked at what happened to Fannie Mae. And you know, he’s not the prince of Fannie Mae that you want to necessarily be in a photo-op with.

    So, Obama’s a pretty shrewd politician. I think Raines has probably given some contributions both to the Senate race and maybe the presidential one. But he’s not counted in the inner circle. This came about because of a “Washington Post” story but the Obama people are telling me is that it was Raines himself who, at the time, identified him that way. Now, he’s got this statement out tonight.

    But I know the campaign well enough to know that Raines has never been in the inner circle of the Obama campaign.

    So, Raines is an adviser to Team Obama, just not in the inner circle.

    Even MSNBC says so.

    Reply to Deborah Howell, the Ombudsman at The Washington Post, here:
    ombudsman@washpost.com

    If we all remain silent on this type of advocacy journalism and race-baiting we will get the President we deserve…a scary thought indeed.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Have you all sent the story to your local papers?

    We could pick two or three large papers a day to send the story to until it gets cover properly…

    IronMan you have a very good idea but for us who live far away…well…is there a on-line paper where you are? do they have a forum for you to chat in? some do…A TV station with a forum? if you are in Mississippi…get it going in a news paper comments or forum in that state.

  • RepublicanChick

    John McCain’s ads regarding the crisis.
    There are more ads, but here are 3 of them.
     

    Jim Johnson

    Nothing New

    Advice

     

  • RepublicanChick

    The Congressman is also a Representative from Maryland in a heated re-election bid.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    does he still hold office, these repub. going to Obama, some don’t hold office anymore…yes they lost so they are not really any more powerful that you or me…

  • joe bob

    Um, yes, you think it’s good that people would use USA to deflect from others of this country that disagree with them, now that’s just unhinged

  • benny

    No, in fact very very few people are really racist. They look at experience, and see that Obama doesn’t have it. and they’re labelled as racist. If it was Colin Powell, believe me, there would have been a huge difference. yes, many have strong reactions about him. but they label him according to what he has done, or not done, not according to race.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Anti-war Republican Rep. Wayne Gilchrest on Iraq, the Bush administration, and the “dissolving” GOP
    http://www.reason.com/news/show/120067.html

  • stodghie

    i don’t know about ya’ll but i don’t want 4 years of hearing these idiots claim it is all a plot against one particular group. i am sick of it as of right now.

  • WildChild

    at least were clear that Denise isn’t a real whack job…

  • RepublicanChick

    Joe Bob, what’s it to you if she believes
    differently than you.

    If this is your version of "getting in our face", you fail.
     

    What A Fool
    Believes

     

  • Dawnelle

    wow I had NO idea he was such a racist

    can you even IMAGINE someone NOT BLACK saying the same thing????

    they’d be run OUT OF TOWN on a rail!

  • stodghie

    i grew up in texas and i know what a hit job looks like. the term for that person is “all hat and no cattle.” it covers any politcal party and deservedly so.

  • WynterSkye

    In your face, Obama….. it works both ways.

  • educatedwhitewoman

    The author of “The Case Against Barack Obama” was on Fox the other night (I believe in the O’Reilley series on Obama), and he was talking about Frank Marshall, the black communist who was Obama’s mentor in Hawaii (mentioned as “Frank” in Obama’s memoirs). At two pivotal points in Obama’s life as a teen, Marshall advised him that he could never trust whites (when Obama mentioned that his grandmother had reacted with fear to a black panhandler) and when Obama went to college, Marshall advised him not to be a “race traitor.”

  • stodghie

    in the middle of hurricane ike i was in a hotel with no power. the owners did not want outsiders coming in to use the facilties. they had water pressure but were trying to save it for the guests. in comes this aa teen and was told as were all races this facilities were for the guests. here comes mom with her bs about it is all about race. yeah right! i don’t want to hear these people for 4 years. heck at this point i’d vote for just about anyone but obama.

  • John

    No he isn’t, he was defeated for renomination in his primary.

  • vinnie

    Nothing new is a good one.

    The answer is obvious, but not to him. The truth hurts.

  • MPR

    Amy,
    Another gem from you and the entire NQ team.

    When is Larry starting a 527?

    I have nothing to say.

    Is not that a statement.

  • MPR

    clarification….nothing to say about your piece it says it all.

    Still what an NQ 527 NOW!

  • richasis

    just another ‘stick a finger to the wind’ opportunist…

  • Dawnelle

    ditto squared

  • TexasBuckeye

    That’s exactly my point. We’re all riding the same bus now. It’s not about race anymore. We like you or don’t like you based on your personality and values. We think you’re qualified or not qualified based on your intelligence and experience.

  • TeakWoodKite

    ditto cubed.

  • Hill Dem 4 McPalin

    ACT NOW: Make sure VetsForFreedom knows about Obama’s Treasonous Acts:

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/19/act-now-contact-vetsforfreedom-to-report-obama/

  • http://www.lostinspacetv.com/ The Robot

    NoBama’s routine stays the same – speaking about McCain today:

    “At this point he seems to be willing to say anything or do anything,” he said.

    Even the most brainwashed Obama follower should recognize this attack used extensively on Hillary.

  • RepublicanChick

    Dawnelle:

    Jim Clyburn is teaching PUMAs, The Clintons, and America the following:
     

    Find Out Who Your Friends
    Are

     

  • Shiloh

    America is very ready for a black president. it could easily have been Colin Powell if he had chosen to run. But we are not ready for an affirmative action president. I think this election will be looked back upon as a real turning point in how America deals with race issues. 20 years ago I had a subordinate who happened to be black and was caught sleeping on the job. She was given a mild verbal reprimand, she could have been fired. In response I was accused of being racist.

    I’m tired of it. I have to struggle to avoid Obama infecting my overall attitude to blacks and I hate him for that. Others won’t keep it in perspective that well. I have no doubt the net sociological impact of the Obama candidacy will be negative for black America and that is a real shame.

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    One word in your article quoting the authors of the study: “payment would be redistributed”

    Well that’s four words.

    redistributed

    is the one. It seems that just about every Obama backed plan has some sort of redistribution of paycheck involved. I won’t call it redistribution of wealth because that would imply that I had wealth. All I have is health and a loving family, and no, they can’t have any of that.

  • RepublicanChick

    As you may know, based on the results of Maryland’s Republican primary this past February, my name will not appear on the ballot for the general election in November 2008. My tenure in the House of Representatives will come to an end with the final adjournment of the current Congress.

    Thank you for the correction, John. I know there were many Republicans targeted by Republican groups and I knew he was up for a fight. The above is from Rep. Gilchrist’s own website.

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  • iVet

    Imagine if Jackie Robinson had been a terrible baseball player? What would people have thought if they put him on the field simply because of his race?What the impact on our society have been if he had gone out and failed? In fact, he didn’t fail and by showing that he deserved to be on the field, America’s sport showed American’s the way to start looking past race and to look to the quality of the person. The media is trying to force Senator Obama on the people and crying racism at every turn. Senator Obama is no Jackie Robinson.

  • benny

    Let me be honest. I’m not a white, yet I’m afraid what an unqualified Obama presidency will entail. I know that he’ll be a disaster. If the country doesn’t go down totally, his legacy will be devastating. After his 4 years of presidency, no one will ever elect a non-white president ever again. and thats a a fact. yes, many of you can argue, but thats how I feel. If a non-white is ever elected, let him be qualified, and let us be sure and secure in his presidency.

  • schmog

    You are right joe bob, it’s becomeing really obvious lately – Obama is becoming unhinged.

  • RepublicanChick

    joe bob:

    Why the hell do you care what Republicans do at our rallies? It isn’t like people are going to yell “Obama” at a McCain campaign.

  • Terry

    This should be a McCain/Palin ad! Great point!

  • TexasBuckeye

    I prefer to call it government confiscation of personal property.

  • WildChild

    then you’re not an American.

  • joe bob

    No, just a liar.

    The Post story is “absolutely not true,” Hagel spokesman Mike Buttry told ABC News.

    “Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations,” said Obama campaign national security spokesperson Wendy Morigi, “nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades.”

    Buttry said that Hagel agrees with Obama’s account of the meeting: Obama began the meeting with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki by asserting that the United States speaks with one foreign policy voice, and that voice belongs to the Bush administration.

    Owning silly no quarter people, one post at a time

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    Three Things to Ponder:
    1. Cows
    2. The Constitution
    3. The Ten Commandments

    C O W S
    Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could
    track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years
    ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington? And, they tracked her calves to their stalls.But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country.

    Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

    T H E C O N S T I T U T I O N
    They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq.Why don’t we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, . . .and we’re not using it anymore.

    T H E 1 0 C O M M A N D M E N T S
    The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments posted in a courthouse is this: You cannot post ‘Thou Shalt Not Steal,’ ‘Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery,’and ‘Thou Shall Not Lie’ in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment.

  • beebop

    Joe Bob is a troll … I thought we were going to ignore them. I went to the County Republican office today and made two hours of calls for McCain/Palin. It is something that everyone can do. I am doing it for four hours tomorrow.

  • dixie

    I have six trees that are more than 100 years old that have been uprooted by hurricane Ike. My electricity was off for five days. Gasoline went sky high. All the food in my refrigerator and deep freeze spoiled. And to top that off I have been white all my life and didn’t realize that hurricanes and mother nature in general was prejudiced toward AAs. I am sorry AAs if the weather has inconvenienced any of you. But I don’t think I owe any of you reparation for what something or you yourself may have had a hand in creating caused you any hardship or loss. I am still on track to vote for McCain/Palin, even if the weather is/was bad.

  • RepublicanChick

    We’re treading very dangerous ground in this country.

    It shouldn’t matter if someone is white or not. If you don’t vote for or agree with Obama, that doesn’t make you a racist. You are still entitled to your opinions and beliefs in this country.

    When that is threatened, we need to continue our joint efforts to stop this foolishness.

    The same people that will yell racism are the first people that will deploy sexism and ageism as a protective shield for Obama.

  • joe bob

    Facts are tricky, accusing people of high crimes is not amusing.

    The Post story is “absolutely not true,” Hagel spokesman Mike Buttry told ABC News.

    “Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations,” said Obama campaign national security spokesperson Wendy Morigi, “nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades.”

    Buttry said that Hagel agrees with Obama’s account of the meeting: Obama began the meeting with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki by asserting that the United States speaks with one foreign policy voice, and that voice belongs to the Bush administration.

  • TexasBuckeye

    The government wants to confiscate my hard-earned money and give it to someone else. I think that is unfair. Why is that unAmerican?

  • Dawnelle

    chuckle cha cha cha! ;-)

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    dixie,

    are you ok now?

  • WildChild

    great, so were clear she’s not a whack job. On a side note though I ‘d be careful about claiming any “absolute” with a BOBO position on anything, especially the war.

  • JB

    Wayne “Sour Grapes” Gilcrest who lost to Andy Harris.

  • RepublicanChick

    Hurricanes, like most other natural events, do not have preferences on who and where to strike. It just happens.

    Where are the donation floods, concerts for the victims, outrage for the citizens of Galveston and Houston, or for the victims in Ikes path all the way through the Midwest?

    I don’t believe hurricanes are racists, but I do believe that the MSM is extremely racist in their bias towards the “poor people of New Orleans” compared to the rest of the country that has suffered through floods and hurricanes this year.

    Black America may not realize this, but thanks to Barack Obama—a backlash is coming. Too many Americans, including many blacks that don’t support Obama, are fed up having this country hijacked by race profiteers and baiters.

  • dixie

    In short “Thou shallt go to hell for lieing just the same as thou will for stealing” sayeth the Lord! BWAHAHAHAHAHA :) uuuuh–Obama is screwed

  • WildChild

    because we Americans gave Government of the People the power to tax.

  • Objective Analysis

    Clyburn does not speak for me. Rest assured.

    PUMA 2008!

  • Retired

    I think that I predicted that looking into Obama’s ties to Raines would be branded “racist” by Obama surrogates in a comment a couple of posts below. If there were any doubt, Tumulty has now revealed herself to be an Obama surrogate that sings off of sheet music provided to her by the camapaign. But people are getting tired of the overuse of the passive race card, and the polling numbers on that will become apparent to even Obama true believers in the near future.

    The presumed race trump card of the Obama campaign is the threat of race riots if Obama is not elected. They haven’t gotten to that point yet and, if Obama is showing strongly enough in the polls after the second debate, may never reach that point. If Obama is showing poorly in the polls after the second debate, I believe that the riot card will be put on the table. Preparation for the play of this card has already been revealed in the “if Obama isn’t eight points ahead in the polls, he is behind because of the Bradley effect” hype that has recently be put into play.

    This is all speculative, of course, Only time will tell what Obama will do to win.

  • J.J.

    Clyburn reminds me of the old joke about the difference between the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.

    A meteor is headed toward Earth. The Headlines are:

    New York Times: END OF THE WORLD: Women and minorities to be affected the most.

    The Wall Street Journal: END OF THE WORLD: Markets to Close Early.

  • beebop

    Three great ads. Everyone in Ohio lost a home, knows someone who did or is losing a job. He should play these 247 and then start them in Michigan where the story is the same. Zeromama will be cooked. By the way … do you smell something really AWFUL in here … sniff … sniff

  • RepublicanChick

    “Barack Obama has never urged a delay in negotiations,” said Obama campaign national security spokesperson Wendy Morigi, “nor has he urged a delay in immediately beginning a responsible drawdown of our combat brigades.”

    Yes, by all means let us use an Obama campaign national security spokesperson to deny this claim.

    As for Hagel, how bad would it be if he knew Obama was doing this and said nothing?? I would trust Chuck Hagel in the same manner I would trust former Republican operative, Arianna Huffington–when hell freezes over.

  • beebop

    Chick:

    Joe Bob is foaming at the mouth and his brains … or what PASSES for them are leaking out his ears. I am sitting here having a big LAUGH. Things must be worse in Camp Hopium than we realize … they never go off like this when things are up …

  • benny

    well, let us be honest. many non-whites want Obama to be President, cos he breaks the glass ceiling amongst us. But I’m not in that group. the repercussions of a failed Obama Presidency is just too much. I feel that a qualified non-white would be ideal. But if we have a failed Obama presidency, you can bet that we ain’t gonna get that chance for a long long time. and I personally believe that Obama is dangerous. If he had worked as VP under Hillary for 8 years, he would be my guy. but right now, he doesn’t know what he is getting into. and he is not the right guy.

  • Ordinary Woman

    Sen. Sanders is on Cavuto saying he wants to surtax the very rich to pay for this trillion dollar deficit. He doesn’t think it’s right for middle-class, 30-50-80k families to pay for it. He says, “I’ll do everything in my power to make sure the ORDINARY people don’t have to pay for it.”

    Hmmm…He’s an Ind. from Vermont.

  • dixie

    I’m fine. But my trees are not doing too well. LOL! Oh well new ones will grow to replace the old ones. The worst part my part is all this stuff that has to be cleaned up and/or burned–but nothing like Galveston or N.O. for that matter.

  • RepublicanChick

    Joe Bob:

    If you believe in Obama’s cause so much, why the hell aren’t you at the phone banks making calls on behalf of your candidate?

    You aren’t going to convince anyone here to change their mind.

    Besides, I live in an neighborhood with Obama supporters. They’re some of the most racists people in America, but we’re not allowed to say that because they’re black.

    Be gone or do something useful. Otherwise, you’re taking up space.

  • benny

    well, let us be honest. many non-whites want Obama to be President, cos he breaks the glass ceiling amongst us. But I’m not in that group. the repercussions of a failed Obama Presidency is just too much. I feel that a qualified non-white would be ideal. But if we have a failed Obama presidency, you can bet that we ain’t gonna get that chance for a long long time. and I personally believe that Obama is dangerous. If he had worked as VP under Hillary for 8 years, he would be my guy. but right now, he doesn’t know what he is getting into. and he is not the right guy

  • http://www.progressive.org/mag_reed0508 Beowulf

    Clyburn reminds me of a black man (about 50 y.o.) I once talk to about the price of gas, when it was still under $2/gal. He kept insisting the price of gas was raised precisely to hurt black people. I told him the obvious: While it is true the middle class and especially the poor are disproportionately affected by high gas prices, everyone is paying the same prices.

    He would have none of it.

    It appears Clyburn is now in the lofty & rarefied league of Bob “I see Dicks!” Herbert, who is consummate race-baiter, extraordinaire. Indeed, a true first rate asshole.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIJUE0PrjY
    —POW!

  • RepublicanChick

    beebop:

    Excellent! I’m also doing the same on Mondays and Wednesdays.

    Thank you for all you’re doing. From this point on, I will ignore the trolls. After all, if they’re here…they ain’t doing anything useful for Obama except getting us all geared up to defeat him. :-)

  • benny

    oooops….double-posted. sorry

  • TexasBuckeye

    I don’t mind paying taxes. Infrastructure and national security are good things.

    But 40% of Americans pay no taxes at all, why should the government be allowed to take more from me and give it to someone who already gets to keep every dime they make?

    I give 10% of my income to charity. I like to give. I don’t like to have it taken from me.

  • WildChild

    40% of Americans pay no taxes at all…

    Everybody pays taxes. Even the homeless drunks pay taxes. Get a clue, then we can talk.

  • dixie

    AHH, the government. Thanks but no thanks. I gave the US Gov. 4 years of my life and asked nothing in return. They [ the government doesn't have anything I want] and I am sure I have nothing they want. The only thing I want [ from the gov]is a fair election this time around and the chance for an American patriot to be prez. Of course that request would automatically eleminate Obama.

  • beebop

    The same people that will yell racism are the first people that will deploy sexism and ageism as a protective shield for Obama.

    Yes ma’m. We have seen it with both Hillary and now what he is trying to do with JSM.

  • jwrjr

    Maybe there should be an investigation of the effect Clyburn’s hot air is having on increasing Global Warming?

  • dixie

    With Obama’s background and history of associating with communists and other anti American radicals he could never have enough experience or anything else that would EVER give me a reason to vote for him.

  • tish

    if you believe global warming farce that gore and his pals made up is real, ill vote for obama because he is going to make us all rich..lol,,,30 thousand scientists say gore is lying,,,including the owner of the weather channel , when will you wake up and realize they are all in on taking down the middle class of america? wake up

  • carol

    Then I guess they should not all gather at the same place (latched onto BO’s member) if they don’t want to become extinct.

  • benny

    This is from another PUMA site….

    MUNCIE — A vandal who apparently plans to vote for Barack Obama attacked the Delaware County Republican Party Headquarters sometime this week with a gold spray can.

    The vandal, or vandals, left behind graffiti reading “McCain? Seriously?” underscored by a depiction of a hand gesturing with its middle finger on the western wall of the headquarters.

    A Republican Headquarters sign that was leaning against the same wall was tagged with three symbols that closely resemble the round Obama campaign sign.

    The vandalism was discovered Wednesday.

    Delaware County Republican Party Chairman Kaye Whitehead called the vandalism a sign of immaturity and predicted that it would energize Republican voters.

    “Many times these actions have unintended consequences for those who did them,” Whitehead said.

    Obama’s campaign on Wednesday issued a statement condemning the vandalism.

    “This campaign is about important issues that affect the lives of people all across this state, and there is no place, nor any tolerance, for these types of deplorable and illegal acts,” said Emily Parcell, Indiana Director of Obama for America.

    Delaware County Democratic Election Board member Phil Nichols called the graffiti “unfortunate.”

    The graffiti on the wall occupied a section about two feet by three feet.

    How immature!!!

  • stodghie

    did you hear the cracks that nagin made about the people of houston while the storm approached. he also didn’t take time to help as he was too busy hosting a deal for obama. i won’t repeat what the blogs in houston think of nagin. what a sorry piece of work! mayor white worked himself to death for the people out of homes after katrina. what do we get back from new orleans’ mayor, a line of bull and an arrogant attiutude.

  • stodghie

    benny, what obama will do is turn so many against the aa community that he will turn around the progress that has been made in race relations. the price for an unprincipled, foolish not as smart as he wants us to think greenie is too high.

  • jwrjr

    Once again Obama is accusing McCain of what he (Obama) is doing.

  • TexasBuckeye

    Homeless drunks don’t pay federal income tax, sales tax maybe.

    The 40% percent figure is correct. Research it yourself.

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/topic/83.html

    I have a clue, and no you can’t have it.

  • RepublicanChick

    Actually, I was referring to all the hoopla surrounding the concern for Hurricane Katrina. Concerts, donation drives, and many other things. Heck, the donation drives continue to this day.

    God Bless you and all those affected by Hurricane Ike. You’re remind us that America’s “CAN DO” spirit is still alive and well.

  • WildChild

    Al Gore violated the Logan act?

  • LookingForwardTo2012

    Excellente!!! This Democrat’s favorite President has always been Teddy Roosevelt (well, after Bill Clinton). Your description does fit Sarah Palin. I love a can-do attitude!!!

  • stodghie

    you are so right about that. i live in houston and have seen all the carrying on on tv by some of these folks. i too am angry about all this and the way fema has behaved. snark follows! where is my fema card?

    some radio station put out there would be emergency food stamps no matter what your income and the place was mobbed with fist fights. the police had to come. i am for helping people after a storm, but then i heard that many of the animals that they kept showing on tv when no evacuated for gustav were left there without anyone showing up, i threw up my hands in disgust.

  • WildChild

    ah, so you are now limiting the discussion of taxation to income tax. That’s actually kind of funny because I’ve paid income taxes on all the income I’ve made, even when I was a kid working summer jobs with one exception. The only time I didn’t pay income taxes was when I was working construction and was itemizing. So maybe that’s where your forty percent number comes from? Perhaps forty percent of the people are itemizing to get out of paying taxes? The greed the has all the money in this country is always looking for a new deduction right?

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    Not even going to lie it took me 5 mins to wade through those convoluted last two paragraphs.

    Contradictions within themselves.

  • stodghie

    well right now there is a no burn decree in my area. it is a hardship i know not to be able to do that. i was coming back into houston yesterday along 59 from victoria and the highway department was burning trash! geez!

  • beebop

    Do you want to hear something that should make you sick? If you are on foodstamps and lost your groceries, the government will buy them for you again. With your tax dollars. I am sure that there is some racial connotation to my just bringing this up. God forbid anyone get a job in America and work for anything any more. Just sit home, and Uncle Sam and Unca Barry will take real good care of ya’.

  • stodghie

    well i am not voting for any democrat this time round. i am beyond disappointment with them. i don’t care for bush2 at all but obama? he is even worse in my view. even local republicans admit bush is a holy mess. mccain to me will be a caretaker type government. after that? well nobama for sure!

  • TexasBuckeye

    RRRA,

    I’m sorry the tax discussion in this thread went downhill. I didn’t mean to take away from the subject. It’s difficult to ignore an attack on my patriotism.

    Texas

  • http://www.dawnellesplace.com Dawnelle

    perfectly ironic!!

    same with catching Old Bin Forgotten???

  • VMorris

    ROTFLMAO!!!

  • Tuppence 411

    This disgusted me. Clyburn and his buddies are just trying to find a new goverment gravy train to take a free ride on. Take a hot button topic- link it erroneously to climate change- and rank in millions in pork barrel spending on useless projects and studies. It is double disgusting since the lack of environmental justice in our country is real. People living in POOR neighborhoods carry the public health burden of environmental pollution. Landfills, smokestacks, abandoned factories with toxic waste spills allowed to fester- they are located in our poor towns, our poor city neighborhoods. POOR is the common denominator. Poor white, black, Hispanic and Asian.

  • fif

    I think global warming has fried Clyburn’s brain. He’s lost it–zero credibility.

  • http://www.dawnellesplace.com Dawnelle

    if he had been away from Rev. Wright for 8 yrs

    I would be able to forgive him (I think)

    but he quit Wright practically the same day he ran for President.

    That’s way too damn convenient. Not logical or believable.

  • stodghie

    hey joe bob, put a sock in it! personal attacks are so well obamaish!

  • stodghie

    so clyburn earned creds working for racial equality and then lost all of it working for a racial divider. way to go there james!

  • fif

    Nice kids, who care so much about unity, healing and hope.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease” Opampers

    Clyburn is a racist and a loon.

  • MEchelle Hates America!

    What the hell were those idiots even there for?

    OBLOWME IS DANGEROUS!

  • Ordinary Woman

    Sorry you have to go though all that. I have a bunch of mature trees and every now and then one gets taken out by lightning, and it’ like losing a member of the family.

    I don’t envy the mess you have to clean up. One thing about stuff though, is you can always get more of it.

    Take care.

  • Bell’Artista

    Clyburn isn’t worth the oxygen and space he takes up……
    just to make one teeny point here, at the risk of being branded a “racist” and “politically incorrect”…I don’t see a lot of Escalades and gas guzzlers in the Hood being replaced by Prius etc, or the leftover oil from Popeye’s or Churches going to bio fuel vehicles or any big recycling or Green movements in the Hood….
    I’m really sick of this victimization BS
    wah wah wah, it’s like Obama whining than people will say he’s ( half) black or has a funny name, when it suits him, but you better not use his middle name.
    People who aren’t self styled victims don’t need affirmative action…like Obama’s sweetheart financing ala Rezko for his home…..nobody’s offered me a deal like he got.
    I’m just sick of it all
    Clyburn should just shut up and stop whining.
    The Emperor is buck naked folks!

    “”And another thing I find to be surprising in this report is this: HOW is it that African Americans are not as much to blame as all the rest of us for global warming? I mean, they drive cars, warm/cool their homes, and all of that just like the rest of us do, right? But somehow, they are not as much to blame for it as the rest of us? Please tell me if I am missing something here. I just find that claim to be a bit of a stretch.

    And really – in all the world, US African Americans are hit HARDEST by global warming? REALLY? More than, say, China, or Pakistan or Afghanistan or Bangladesh or India that have been hit HARD by monsoons? Yeah. Okay.”

  • sayitisntso

    Has anybody noticed that Obamacrimes.com has been scrubbed?

  • sayitisntso

    There has been retribution dealt to polluters for decades. It’s nothing new. That’s what Air Quality Management is about, for one. Fine the polluters and give to companies that lower pollution.

    The above rhetoric is only election year babbling. It goes government fines to private companies. Voters, black, white, green, purple, all of us get the benefits already.

    Want to trace goings on in the recycle industry? Go get on an email list and read them. I suggest Zerowaste.com for starters.

  • Ginger

    Hot air = gas = methane = bad for the environment…..any questions?

  • Ginger

    This is important info…..
    I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

    Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.

    For trolls, any response is ‘recognition’; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

    Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it’s a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

    Remember that trolls are cowards; they’ll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that’s what they do!).

  • fluffy bunny

    You know, I read that whole thing, and I just have to ask…how many of our tax dollars to those idiots steal from us to run these commissions that study fake stuff?

    Or are we the idiots, and they are just smart enough to figure out how to make a damn fine living off of our money? Just white collar criminals with fancy government jobs and fancy commission appointments.

  • Jess Terr

    Facts are tricky

    especially for NObamabots.
    get a clue. http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm

    WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

    According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

    “He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.

    Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops – and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its “state of weakness and political confusion.”

    “However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open.” Zebari says.

    Though Obama claims the US presence is “illegal,” he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the “weakened Bush administration,” Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

    While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.

    have your mommy read it to you.

  • Americafirst

    A CBS/NYT POLL about the effect of the Sara Palin pick on white women’s support of McCain and Obama

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/19/maddow-mccain/

  • stodghie

    i don’t care whether these idiots threaten to riot or not. if not now then they will later for something else. so let them try it now and get their tushes kicked for breaking the law.

  • Ginger

    It’s a mental disorder called projection….Obama has really severe case.

  • stodghie

    and who takes this windbag seriously? i suppose those who defeated him at the polls don’t. so why? follow the money!

  • fluffy bunny

    Comment by Ordinary Woman | 2008-09-19 15:30:52

    Sen. Sanders is on Cavuto saying he wants to surtax the very rich to pay for this trillion dollar deficit. He doesn’t think it’s right for middle-class, 30-50-80k families to pay for it. He says, “I’ll do everything in my power to make sure the ORDINARY people don’t have to pay for it.”

    Hmmm…He’s an Ind. from Vermont.

    Start with Teresa Heinz Kerry and the Kennedy family, and I’ll believe him.

    Or hell, start by collecting a half billion from George Soros and Warren Buffet.

    Hmmm, their money is all tied up in “foundations” or is hidden in Switzerland? So we will have to take it from doctors and lawyers who work 80 hours a week to make their high salaries? What a shock.

  • jwrjr

    The people who yell “racism” the loudest are almost always the biggest racists.

  • stodghie

    dear, you are being soooooo obamish! arguing about reality i see. tax is tax whether it is sales tax or income tax. power to tax? maybe but that doesn’t give the govies the right to abuse it the way they are enriching themselves and screwing americans. frankly your hero obama would be the worst at that than any american president in history in my view. now argue that all your little heart desires.

  • bemused

    Yes, and already the loonies saying “Advice” is racist because (gasp) there are two black men and one white woman! We all know what that means, racial sexist innuendo. And the woman is old, too. Double gasp! I thought it was good, as usual, and I’m sure we can soon have white crooks beating up on black women–or better yet, Penny Pritzker ripping off black men. Can’t wait for the spin on that.

  • obamaphobe

    I’m getting RDS…racist derangement syndrome. Everytime I hear the word racist….I go off!! It’s getting old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • bemused

    Very insightful and the most charitable explanation for trolls. Thank you.

  • stodghie

    somebody needs to take ole james by the hand and take him over to the local fema site where a guy out of money, car, and home came for some help and was told to go away and fill out more forms. of course he was the wrong tint as it were. racist? i am pointing out the false politics of obama and his supports always crying racism and their entitlement due to it.

  • stodghie

    naw, you are just sick of their bullxxxx.

  • Nobama
  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    ROTFLMAO – good one!

    And thanks!

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Nicely said, TexasBuckeye!

    And see, the problem as I see it is this: if people like Tumulty and Obama and Sebelius all claim racism over perceived or possible slights, it DIMINISHES the claims of REAL racism. People are going to be SO sick of being called racists for not voting for a candidate because he is UNPREPARED and grossly unqualified that when someone has a legitimate claim, and needs help, people will just blow them off. I guess I COULD have just said, it it’s like the Boy Who Cried Wolf, you know?

  • http://www.rabblerouserruminations.blogspot.com/ Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy

    Well, that’s a thought! And thanks!

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    The whole climate change bit is a scam.

    All the gains in temperature made in the last thirty years have been lost this year.

    Gains of the Last 30 Years Wiped Out

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    Also note the involvement of Gore, Hansen, and Lehman Bros.

    Are you starting to see that there are a number of connected threads?

    And what about the King of the Short sellers Soros? Shorts do very well in a crashing market.

    Soros bought 9.5 Million shares of Lehman on June 30th

    http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/08/15/Soros-Takes-Lehman-Stake?tid=true

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