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The State Department Is Doing What With Our Money, Exactly?

That would be sending Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf to Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, to name two, on our dime, as a representative of the United States. And yes, he first began his work for the State Department in 2007. This will be his third trip. Given his claim in 2001 that the United States was an “accessory” to what happened on 9/11, it boggles the mind that our government would use him in ANY capacity, much less to travel as a representative of our country …

So, yes, Imam Rauf will be going on his third trip abroad. On our dime. In a program to “promote the role of religion in the US.” If his name sounds familiar, it should. He is the same one who wants to build the Cordoba Institute/Mosque near Ground Zero, in case you didn’t know that already.

Here to discuss the trip, is State Department Assistant Secretary of Public Affairs, PJ Crowley:



You’ll have noticed that this clip covers that Governor Patterson of New York offered Imam Rauk state property to build his mosque. That raises the separation of church and state issue. Did Patterson mean he would SELL the property to Rauk, and if so, for how much? Surely, he couldn’t have expected to just GIVE it to him, as a state sanctioned mosque would have been the end result. That is unacceptable. And it would be if it were a church or synagogue, or Buddhist temple or Pagan circle, or anything related. Just to be clear.

But here’s the thing that gets me about this interview. Crowley claims that, even though Imam Rauf is going on a program to discuss the role of religion in the US, he will not be discussing religion. Huh? So, um, why exactly is he going then? At our expense, I might add? That makes no sense to me, but that could just be me.

Or maybe not. Here is more on the separation of church and state from a more conservative position:

And this “certain pile of cash”? I am pretty darn sure that is our money, too. Unless some wealthy benefactor gave it to the State Department to do as it damned well pleased, like sending an Imam who blames the US for 9/11.

But that is only part of the story with Imam Rauk. Here is the big question: why is the State Department, under Secretary Hillary Clinton, enlisting an imam who supports Sharia Law, despite the State Department claims that he is a “moderate”? Sharia Law is NOT a moderate position.

Never mind that Rauk claimed he does not believe in “religious dialogue,” according to this piece by Walid Shoebat of Pajamas Media in this post, “Ground Zero Imam: ‘I Don’t Believe In Religious Dialogue.’” So, that pretty much puts to a lie the whole meme that this imam wants to build “interfaith understanding,” or whatever is the catch phrase du jour to justify Rauk’s intention to build his mosque near Ground Zero.

But that’s not the end of the story, either. According to Madeline Brooks, also of Pajamas Media, “Terror Ties: Ground Zero Imam Attended Hizb-ut Tahrir Conference.” This was in 2007. And while many of us may not be aware of this group (I wasn’t), this should clear things up:

[snip] Hizb-ut Tahrir al Islami (Islamic Party of Liberation) has been banned in many countries — Germany, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, and Saudi Arabia — but not in the United States or Britain. This is a dangerous group. It is alleged to have attempted coups in Jordan, Syria and Egypt, which were defeated, fortunately. As we see in these photos, Rauf looks quite relaxed and happy at the Hizb-ut Tahrir conference, as do the other participants with him. In fact, there is a feeling of celebration in these photos. The language in the text accompanying the photos is Malay. Although the conference was held in Indonesia, there were many Malaysians attending, including Rauf, who has lived for a great part of his life in Malaysia. An English language website promoting the caliphate states that 100,000 people attended the conference.

Hizb-ut Tahrir is similar ideologically to the Muslim Brotherhood. Both seek worldwide Islamic supremacy and the imposition of Islamic law to replace the Constitution and democracy. But Hizb-ut Tahrir differs by also espousing Marxist-Leninist methodology, and is entirely open about its ambition to dominate the world, unlike the more discreet Muslim Brotherhood.

On two occasions, Hizb-ut Tahrir in America called for terrorism recruitment conferences in Chicago to establish their long-awaited caliphate, which would knock down capitalism, democracy, and equal rights for non-Muslims and women, and institute a Muslim-run society under sharia law. One conference, called “The Fall of Capitalism and the Rise of Islam” and scheduled for July 2009 in Chicago, actually did occur. But a follow-up conference slated for July 2010 at the Chicago Marriott in Oak Brook, titled “Emerging World Order: How the Khilafah Will Shape the World,” was canceled by the hotel. [snip]

And the State Department considers this man a MODERATE? Well, maybe there is the big problem right there – they are operating under a very different dictionary than the majority of us. Sharia law, blaming the US for 9/11, and associating with this group do not constitute a “moderate,” at least not in my book.

After all is said an done, what I truly do not understand is this: How is it that Secretary Clinton, a champion of the rights of women and children for her entire adult life, can possibly give this man a thumbs up? I simply do not understand this. I cannot understand it at all.

Surely there is a Muslim cleric in this country who truly is a moderate, who does not support Sharia Law, or associate with an organization banned in a number of countries, isn’t there? And it begs the question, why is the organization not banned here and in Britain? I think I know, but I want to hear what you have to say. So, why this man? Why, Secretary Clinton?

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Another great essay, RRRA. I can’t imagine what compels the squatter in the WH to send a person of questionable character to the ME, one Faisal Abdul Rauf. I am really disturbed by That One’s proclivity to give any Moslem a pass and all in the name of “religious freedom”.

    That Imam is entirely free to return to the ME and stay, as far as I’m concerned, and practice his religion there. If they want to practice it here, then they must obey OUR laws. As far as I’m concerned, that is the entirety of the discussion.

  • lorac

    How do we know Hillary has anything to do with this?  We already know that she’s not the “boss” of everything at the State Dept.  For instance, BO has his own people in charge of the hot button countries.  I would like to know something specific about her role, if any, in this, before I hold her accountable.  You’re right, she has been at the forefront of “women’s rights are human rights” for a long time, plus she was a NY senator on 9/11.  For all we know, she protested loudly about this but was not listened to in the inner circle.  And I don’t know if she can speak about it publicly, because SOS is not a political post, and her job isn’t domestic policy.  So I’d like to hear some facts one way or the other, first….. 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Well, lorac, that she hasn’t said a thing speaks volumes. I’m a long-time supporter but she is not speaking up and I am disappointed. This “Imam” should be doing nothing at the behest of the government.

  • Daisy Mae

    Thank you, Amy.  My head is spinning from all the questions this article raises.  This mosque issue is not going to go away, just escalate, and it’s not even Monday yet.  . I don’t understand: “discuss the role of religion in the US, he will not be discussing religion”  Great questions on who is promoting and promulgating.

  • lorac

    Ferd, I just don’t agree that her not speaking up means that she is in agreement with this State Dept. decision.  And I just don’t think it’s fair that it’s always on HER shoulders to save the world, or to make a pronouncement on everything, or else she’s a bad person.  I’m really not even sure that she is ALLOWED to say anything while being SOS.

    I love how Sarah Palin can get out there and say whatever she thinks.  I’m usually thinking, “yeah, go get him!”.  But don’t you agree, that Sarah, who currently holds no office, has a freedom that Hillary doesn’t?

  • lorac

    Oh, but I do agree the State Dept. should not be sending this guy anywhere (except a one-way ticket, as you implied).  I’m so tired of this Muslim crap.  I wish they’d evolve out of the stone age, or just all go “poof” and disappear.  And I’m fed up that the “majority of moderate Muslims” aren’t at the forefront of condemning the terrorism and misogyny.  *I* don’t need to be told that they’re a religion of peace.  They need to tell that to each other, IMO.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    lorac, at least according to this article, Sec. Clinton approved of Rauf going.  I hear what you are saying abt how she may have protested, but she IS the Sec. of State.  Who she wants to represent the State Dept should carry some weight.

    If she is truly that weak of a player that she cannot give a yay/nay to civilian personnel going on these trips, than that speaks volumes, too.

    And you KNOW I love Hillary Clinton.  That’s what makes this all the more disturbing.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Many times silence can be read as silent agreement.  Since Hillary is technically a large part of the Obama Administration, her silence could be read as agreement in this matter.

    She may have no freedom to speak out on this travesty. 

  • lorac

    The article’s first paragraph says this:
    WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is aware of and approves of the State Department-funded trip to the Middle East for the controversial imam of the Ground Zero mosque, according to state department sources.


    I guess I’d like to hear it from Hillary herself (well, actually I wouldn’t lol), rather than unnamed sources.  I can’t reconcile her beliefs with her freely supporting this guy – it wouldn’t make sense.

    The world is kind of upside down right now (well, for a few years…).

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I do agree, lorac. That is why she must resign after the fall elections. She can’t really say anything that is in disagreement with our squatter in the WH. After November, I will start to question her patriotism, though, if she stays.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    And you get a thumbs up for your comment, with which I completely agree, lorac.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I know what you mean.  I guess her signing off on it says it all, though, doesn’t it?

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    This thread is what really disturbs me about the Oblahblah administration. All of us who have commented so far are staunch HRC supporters but because That One has divided everyone into camps, we can’t seem to find a common ground. And because HRC serves That One, we have even more to disagree about. I never thought That One was qualified to be POTUS but now I am beginning to think that this entire fiasco was a set-up from get-go. Divide and conquer. Unqualified, unfit, dangerous, and a divider. The perfect setup.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Ferd.  I love the “squatter in the WH”!  :)

  • HARP

    Is this why we can`t see Barry with his shirt off ?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Another good point, Ferd.  And yes – you’re right – we are all staunch Hillary supporters.  It was hard from the get-go that she decided to work fro Obama in the first place, but hearing her speak on his behalf is jsut emetic…

    Thanks, Ferd.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Isn’t that Noogan on drums?

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    A river of tears comes to mind when I think about what could have been. She is a treasure but she has to resign after November. She doesn’t need to carry his water.

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    Islam is fucked up.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    It could also be jackie, Buzz. But Noogan is probably correct.

  • HARP

    Ringo has a few singles.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Amen to that, brother, amen…

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Come to think of it, though, a picture of Noogan is impossible because lenses send an image through to a mirror and the rest is history.

  • Dario

    If the U.S. needs someone who understands those countries that the imam is visiting and also has a good connection with the U.S., why is using the imam a problem?  I agree that he’s not the only one who can do the job.  I’m sure there are many, but if he fits the best for the job, what’s the problem?  Oh, I see, his religion.  That kind of thinking does not help the U.S. put forward diplomacy that works.  I see no problem with the imam simply because he’s a Muslim.

  • Patience

    RRRA: “Surely there is a Muslim cleric in this country who truly is a moderate, who does not support Sharia Law, or associate with an organization banned in a number of countries, isn’t there?”

    Amy, I hate to even think it but maybe there isn’t a moderate cleric in this country.  Or if there is, maybe he isn’t considered influencial, or isn’t welcomed when it comes to dealing with Middle Eastern countries. 

    I can’t help but remember Muslims around the world cheering in the streets after the 9/11 attacks.  Nor can I get over the sense that there was [what I consider to be] insufficient refutation of the attack by Muslims here and abroad.  And while I know there are many many Muslims living here who love the US and enjoy the privileges and freedoms it affords – and who wouldn’t want to live under something like Sharia law – I have a feeling there are some who, in spite of the opportunites and perks, nevertheless harbor a certain degree of tacit (or privately expressed) ill will towards our country.

    If the developers/promoters of the mosque truly care about and respect the sensitivities of the majority of Americans, then they’ll abandon this project and build it at another location. Maybe I’m mistaken but it’s my understanding that the owner of the site was originally going to develop it as a commercial property.  Given the economy and the reality of real estate development these days, perhaps he thought he could salvage his investment with this plan, without thinking about how inappropriate it would seem to the majority of people.  Well, in any case he knows now, and I’m curious to see what happens.  I read in the Financial Times that the developer decided to drop the name “Cordoba Project”.  For those unaware (and I wasn’t until recently), Cordoba Spain is the location of the world’s third-largest mosque, built there to commemorate a great Islamic victory over Christianity.     

  • Docelder

    I still say this level of disregard for anything and everything “America” isn’t an accident. We are being divided up. Red blooded Americans on one side and Barry and Nancy’s people on the other. They have more people than we do across the board if you just count heads. This is what gave us the disaster of 2008. If you count states, we red blooded folks have the edge. In the flyover states us red blooded American people still have a chance. For now. But it will take a constitutional convention or mass secession to exercise that advantage. Count me in… I feel like an illegal alien in my own damn country.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Which part of he does not admit that Hamas is a terrorist organization are you failing completely to understand? That disqualifies him immediately as our own State Department has flagged Hamas as a terrorist organization and has for YEARS.

    Problems:
    1) This Imam is not doing this for our benefit.
    2) Our government is sending a person who supports a terrorist organization to negotiate for a Mosque to be put up near the WTC site.

    Gee, I can’t find any problems here, Dario. Wow

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    Hillary approved this?  Last straw. I just tore down the sign I had in front of my apartement since 2008.  Anyone who supports sharia law is an enemy of women.  If that supporter is femaile… Im sorry…she is a cunt.   Maybe all those Hillary bashers were right. I just needed to be hit over the head with a two by four

  • Docelder

    The Clintons have become hollow tokens of what used to be the democrat party. They are done except for participating in this new democrat regime. So rather than sit out… they gladly compromised. It says everything about what they really are.

  • Docelder

    That is kind of like trying to find a Southern Baptist that isn’t a “hellfire” Baptist. If there was one… the hellfire people would say he wasn’t really one of them. I guess like in Luke where it talks about salt that isn’t salty. But we shouldn’t be funding any religion with tax dollars. People should be allowed to worship as they wish, but on their own dollars and time.

  • HARP

    I`m sure we won`t hear from the administration, but here is a little reminder for those of us that are still patriotic.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Dario, no offense, but you seem to be missing the point.  It isn’t that Rauk is Muslim, it is his particular brand of being Muslim that is at issue (did you actually read this post?  Sorry, but I have to ask…)

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    The Clintons have become hollow tokens of what used to be the democrat party. They are done except for participating in this new democrat regime. So rather than sit out… they gladly compromised. It says everything about what they really are.
    =======================
    I’m pondering this seriously, Docelder. I think you may be wrong but I do have to think about the alternative scenario in which you may be correct. Thanks for a substantive comment.

  • andyp

    I would imagine that this man has links with Obama (even if he started in 2007 working with the State Department).  I don’t believe there is a radical that Obama doesn’t know.  I would imagine Hillary would have to go along if this man was Obama’s choice.

  • rosa

    yes we know how we can rely on articles written or in the msm.  Even obama challenged what he said from one day to the next.  gibbs another, can you imagine the interworkings of this administration?

  • Olivia1998

    In a poll taken recently 70% of Americans said they were Conservative.  We win they lose. 

  • rosa

    do you think she may know who he will put in her place if she resigns and might not want that to happen?

  • Olivia1998

    Rev. Amy: have you heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her book Infidel? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel_(book)
    Amazing woman who lives with a price on her head by Islam.  Her story is heart breaking, scary and will shock you.  I recommend everyone read it.  I promise you will have a different idea about Islam.  It is not a religion it is a government who’s mandate is to control the world.  Please click on her book.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Hey! There’s to be no kissing! There was kissing? Oh my er ummm virgin eyes!

  • Olivia1998

    This is Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her history
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali

  • Nobama4me

    FWIW, The Great Cordoba Mosque is now The Great Cathedral of Cordoba: it was returned to a catholic church after the Spanish Reconquista  and consacrated to the Ascension of the Virgin: the Muslims are not the only ones who can turn a site into a victory celebration.eh…eh… :-P :-P

  • ~~JustMe~~
  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    LOL!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    A point worth making – look at the last paragraph in the piece abt Hizb-ut Tahrir and its 2009 conference – in Chicago.  Very, very interesting that it was held in Chicago, especially when you look at its theme.  Holy moley.  (Its 2010 conference was canceled by the hotel.)

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, I have.  And thank you for bringing up her story here.  If you watch Part 3 of the Honor Killings post I did recently, you will see her speak out there.  What an amazing, courageous woman she is.  I think I mentioned yesterday in another post that she still has to have armed escorts everywhere she goes – in the United States.

  • Olivia1998

    Thank you.  It’s happening all over Europe.  England is doomed.  They live on welfare in England in beautiful housing that they destroy and produce kids at the taxpayers expense.  There is statistics about when the Islam population will take over by in numbers.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    It’s really a glimpse into the future, HARP and Candy.  It’s the day after the election of 2012.  Practice will be held Nov 3, 2010.

    I’m polishing my dancing moves!  

  • Olivia1998

    I may sound a little nuts but…..I work with a women’s shelter and if an Islamic woman does get brave enough to come in you have no idea the threats etc we put up with. They really scare me

  • Sgt. Bigfoot

    No one gets it! The reason there are no moderate Muslims is because the core of their religious beliefs include the idea that all other religions must be destroyed. Go back and read the Old Testament and see why. It is like night and day. We are and always will be the enemy. Look what the Moors did in Spain. This thing is not going away. If there are 100 mosgues in the NYC area, there are 100 beach heads for their soldiers, meaning all who worship. Anything else is a lie. Lying is acceptable when it done to Christian Dogs. Remember when Obama was making such a fuss about dog’s pedigrees? He was using it as a parable. We are the dogs. That he is half white means he is half Christian Dog, even though he was born a Muslim. Ah. They won’t go away until we’re all either dead or h

  • Olivia1998

    I seen her on the Honor Killings on Fox.  She speaks so elegantly. Yes she has armed guards but they did get to a Dutch gentleman she produced a documentary with in Amsterdam, Holland.  They cut his throat and left a not on his chest in the street.  She is very very brave

  • Sgt. Bigfoot

    have converted. Enough said. Thank You. Now start doing something.

  • lorac

    It is being said by unnamed sources.  Maybe you should slow down and wait to see what Hillary herself says.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I fully understand what you say Olivia….

  • lorac

    My feeling is that she will, Ferd.  And if by some chance she has a plan to challenge him, then she HAS to resign after the election and start campaigning….

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I fully understand what you’re saying Olivia…. A friend in the UK was brutally raped, I will not fill you in with the horrific details… but I hear you! The friend was English after the attack the perpetrator left was out of the country that night and returned to Pakistan…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I fully understand what you’re saying Olivia…. A friend in the UK was brutally raped and I will not fill you in with the horrific details… but I hear you! The friend was English after the attack the perpetrator left that night and returned to Pakistan…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I fully understand what you’re saying Olivia…. A friend in the UK was brutally raped and I will not fill you in with the horrific details… but I hear you! The friend was English after the attack the perpetrator left that night and returned to Pakistan…

  • lorac

    Amy, I guess my point was that we don’t know that she did sign off on it.  When something is really important, do we trust an unnamed source?  Unnamed sources are fine for reading stories trying to flesh out what’s going on in the world, but if a particular point is very important to us, I think we need better verfication.  Especially since a lot of the people in the State Dept. are BO people – they’re not all hers – I can’t trust that it came from a source that is true to her.  An unnamed source is…. kind of like wikipedia….  might be true, might not be!

  • sowsear

    I just can’t believe that so many people we trusted are in agreement with this America put-down. Where have all the flowers gone?

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    The discussion about whether or not Hillary knows about this guy’s statements and beliefs and whether she approves or not is of no interest to me at this point.  She will need to explain sometime later, as far as I am concerned.  That is a concern for a later time.

    What does bother me was the way the interview in the first video went.  It was as if Bill and P.J. Crowley of the State Dept. weren’t communicating with each other in any way.  Crowley just goes on and on about how the State Department’s plan to send people around the world on our dime to let people we have religious freedom and religious diversity is just wonderful.  He doesn’t really know anything about this guy.  He’s not responding at all the the citizens’ concerns are at this time in regard to this stupid mosque plan and he doesn’t really answer any of the concerns that are expressed. 

    The disconnect between the government bureaucrats and the citizens who pay their salaries is just crazy. 

    I am wondering how many people in the rest of the world don’t know we have freedom of religion and religious diversity.  I am just not convinced that many of the people in some countries really care about knowing that.  I would prefer that they knew at this point that when a religious doctrine from any religion is contrary to our democratic Constitutional principles or to any of our laws it won’t be tolerated in the U.S.  The government grants freedom of religion with limits

    No killing daughters.  No beating wives.  No beheading wives or people you personally deem as infidels.  No flying planes into buildings, etc.  The rest of the world must learn that we are not idiots, rubes who can be decieved by platitudes.  They can have their mosque as far as I am concerned, but I hope with all my heart that there are enough citizens at this point to make their presence on that site very uncomfortable for them. 

    As I’ve mentioned before, I really would like people to walk around in front of it with signs voicing our concern about their rudeness in building it there, while wearing t-shirts with depictions of Muhammad to let them know how rudenss really feels and how freedom of speech works.

    There must be an outcry about this guy’s trip.  I plan to send an email to the State Department.  Anyone who supports sharia law does not deserve a dime of our tax dollars.

  • sowsear

    I tried to read that book, but it was too brutal…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    And these are all moderate Muslims in all these different countries? Right we understand… NOT

  • ~~JustMe~~

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  • lorac

    Ferd, I don’t think the firm Hillary supporters have been divided up.  I think the only problem comes when we expect Hillary to jump through our own hoops, and if she doesn’t, we curse her or throw her under our bus.  I’m sure she has enough hoops to jump through, and obstacles to avoid, working in that administration. 

    If she steps into every battle, she’ll lose the war.  And I definitely think she has her sights on the war, and triumph.  I suspect timing has a lot to do with whatever her plan is.  Which means that we have to have just as much patience as she does – but I think in the next 6 months we’ll be able to surmise a lot more about whatever her plan might be. So, I don’t think we’re divided.  Just people with different abilities to be patient with the workings of politics….?

    Remember in New Hampshire when they all said Hillary cried (when really her eyes got misty)?  Well, it WAS an emotional moment for her, and she said something along the lines of “I don’t want us to lose what makes us great” or something like that.  I KNOW she loves her country.  And she said that after having lost Iowa, and hadn’t yet won New Hampshire.  She was worried that Obama might win, and screw up the country.  And now her worries have been verified.  So, I don’t think she has changed and is now in love with BO.  She’s waiting for the right time for a clean break.

    So, I don’t think we’re divided.  I think some people just might have unrealistic expectations of what she is able to do while being SOS, some people lower frustration tolerance and want her to swoop in all the time as if she’s still a politician with free voice…..

  • lorac

    But Doc… aren’t you a lifelong republican who never voted for the Clintons in the first place….?  Am I remembering right?

  • Olivia1998

    Not Islamic.  A religion that has it’s own laws and financial system like Sharia is not a religion it’s a government.

  • Docelder

    Yes, but I grew up in strong conservative democrat Oklahoma. These new democrats are like aliens to me and are far removed from anything I have ever believed in. I never believed my republican friends when they told me the Clinton’s would be a disaster for the country. I didn’t see the future globalist implications of Clinton’s NAFTA. I never made a big deal of “it takes a village”, outcome based education or Americorps at the time… but it’s the same big government that Obama is dealing. The same thing. I don’t think we really know who the Clinton’s ever were looking back on it now.

  • WhatNow

    As a long, long time supporter of HRC (when she was getting bashed by the people of AR, that far back) her statement during the election debates, “I’m a modern progressive” aligns her with all the other progressives in the Obama administration.

    I do not see Hillary resigning after the midterm elections.

  • sybilll

    Is Nicetry the one with man boobs?  Just asking.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    There’s need of a clean-up on the “stupid is as stupid…”  article.

    Someone named JT threw up kool-aid all over Larry.

    Flag, please.

  • lorac

    I am wondering how many people inI the rest of the world don’t know we have freedom of religion and religious diversity.  I am just not convinced that many of the people in some countries really care about knowing that.  I would prefer that they knew at this point that when a religious doctrine from any religion is contrary to our democratic Constitutional principles or to any of our laws it won’t be tolerated in the U.S.  The government grants freedom of religion with limits.   

    Well said.

  • Olivia1998

    It is a brutal book.  Ayaan tells the truth.  I find her to be one of the most amazing and courageous women in the world.  You have to know there is many more brave women that we don’t hear about fighting for there lives every day in these Islamic states

  • Dario

    Yes, RRRA, I read your post, and it seems to me that taking Pajamas post as the foundation for the discussion is a little narrow.  The conversation is a translation, and I don’t take every word from Pajamas as being perfectly translated.  I wouldn’t be surprised if the imam is an agent working undercover for the U.S.  But of course, the reason for suspicion is that he’s Muslim, imo.  I figured that if someone from the government wants the imam on a mission, he was fully vetted.  It’s not that I trust the government 100 percent, but to get all twisted over a mssion is a little extreme.

  • lorac

    I can’t speak to that all that well, because I wasn’t paying very close attention to the details back then.  But is there a chance that Bill also didn’t see some of the implications of things he did….?  That he may not like how some of them have turned out?  (i.e., that he’s not evil?)

  • Justine

    Excuse me, Ferd, why wait until the fall elections?  (I don’t get the reason for waiting.  Why shouldn’t she just resign immediately, on principles, given that she’s supposedly the head of the Dept. of State and it’s being used so corruptly…)
    .

  • Justine

    Precisely, RRRA.  [And, RRRA, thank you so much for doing this article.  I had been wondering about it.]

  • Justine

    If Hillary is against it, she has to speak out.  Silence speaks volumes.  Hillary is the head of the Department of State, you know.  If Obummer won’t let her run it as she sees fit, she ought to resign!
    .

  • Justine

    Interesting how things always seem to hit the media on Thursday or Friday, isn’t it?
    .

  • kafir

    RRRA,
     How is it that Secretary Clinton, a champion of the rights of women and children for her entire adult life, can possibly give this man a thumbs up? I simply do not understand this. I cannot understand it at all.

    Time for her to join Bill  enjoying their hedonistic lifestyle.

  • EllenD

    I figured that if someone from the government wants the imam on a mission, he was fully vetted.

    Sure. They did such a good job vetting Obama.

  • lorac

    You’re putting your thumb up WHERE?

    KATMOON!!!!!!!

  • EllenD

    If that supporter is femaile… Im sorry…she is a cunt.

    Red light on this language, Crackerjack. Since you seem to be defending women, it is particularly jarring.

  • lorac

    People do have different interpretations of “progressive”.  I don’t see her using a word that so many others have used over time to mean different specifics as meaning that she is in lock-step with BO.  I think that’s really making a jump.

    During the primaries, Hillary was very specific about her plans.  She took the time to actually come up with solutions.  When she can, she will once again be very specific about what she believes and about what her ideas are for solutions.

  • EllenD

    I am wondering how many people in the rest of the world don’t know we have freedom of religion and religious diversity.

    Um…none.
    If there is one country in the world that is understood everywhere it is the U.S. Television and movies have carried our culture to every corner of the earth. It is that ubiquitous presence that has made the international Muslim fundamentalists decide that we are their enemy.
    So what are we explaining again?

  • Bonnie Jean Burris

    Thank you for the article Amy and the links. I’ve never visited Pajamas Media so I read some of the articles there (one with John Yoo) and it seems pretty far to the right to me, but I’m not going to jump to conclusions. I also read some posts on the Hizb-ut-tahrir and the conference on The Fall of Capitalism (which was critical of the economics of the west, but contained no threat of violence that I saw). I don’t have to walk past Ground Zero everyday, but if I did, I might also have some strong feelings about a mosque being built a few blocks away. 9/11 has been used by politicians of all ideologies over the past nine and a half years and that is a shame. It was a fork in the road for our country and when we allowed our government to use it as an excuse to invade Iraq, I fear we chose the road to our own demise. The Iman said the “US created Osama bin Laden” and in a way, he was correct. We armed the mujahideen and trained bin Laden to resist the USSR in Afghanistan. Always a question: How long will we allow ourselves to live in fear of another attack and do we really think our government is in danger of being turned into a caliphate? This is not OT. I watch only FOX news and I know they have been trying to expose this man for a long time, but I’m going to reserve judgement until I learn more about why the State Department is paying for his trip and why he was chosen. When Hillary speaks, I’ll listen. Thanks again for this informative article and the links.

  • Talk2ThePaw

    It has been stated that they do not have all the funds needed to finalize the purchase of the land for the mosque.  Therefore, I submit this trip is a taxpayer funded fundraising trip to complete the land purchase for the mosque. Ain’t it sweet to be a muslim in America.

  • Docelder

    I saw this on linked on another blog. it is interesting and corroborates what many who know more about Islam than I do have been saying all along. The peaceful passages of the Qur’an according to this video predate the more violent passages which contradict. According to the video, the Qur’an says in the event of contradiction to disregard the earlier writings and use the more updated ones as a rule. So when people quote the peaceful parts from the book, they don’t realize that those parts have become deprecated. This is odd to me. But as the video says… Islam isn’t like Western religion at all. Therefore, we have no perspective on it.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Shariah Finance

  • Onofre’s arm

    Gosh Doc, Noogan’s noggin will explode if she sees this. Hmmmm, how can we get her to watch it? 

  • lorac

    I know one reason, unrelated to this – if she’s not SOS, she’ll be pressured to campaign for candidates to save BO’s butt in the November elections, and then later it will somehow be used against her….

  • Onofre’s arm

    Could it be that Islam is the new communism? 

    We won the cold war………sort of. Will we be smart enough and committed enough to win the inevitable war with Islam? 

  • lorac

    Justine, who among us can speak out about everything we feel whenever we feel like it?  To do so would be impulsive and short-sighted, and cutting our noses off to spite our faces. 

    In terms of the job, BO, like it or not, is her boss.  Very rarely does any of us have full rein to do our job totally as we see fit, and very rarely do we have the luxury of quitting a job every time we don’t get our way or getting fired because we are always “speaking up”.  In the real world, sometimes you have to hold your fire, and save it for the really big stuff.  Now, this IS a big issue, but compared to what Hillary has to deal with everyday, maybe relatively it isn’t. 

    But I’m curious….  most everyone, even BO’s supporters, think it was foolish for him to wade into this…..  why does Hillary have to speak out?  Are you making that demand of anyone else?  I don’t get people lately saying, “Hillary has to do X, or I’m dumping her”, or “Hillary has to say Y, or she’s a ^&%$”. 

    If everyone else in your life gratifies all your wishes so well and instantaneously, I’m happy for you.  But Hillary is human, and I imagine it’s best for her to do as she sees fit, especially as she’s more aware than we are of the environment she is making her decisions in.

    I certainly don’t know exactly what’s going on any better than anyone else – I don’t know if she approves of this imman.  But I’m not going to rush to any judgment, based on some personally decided ultimatums or information from unnamed sources (who very well could have been BO’s people trying to sabotage her by saying she likes this imman guy). 

    I also don’t think Hillary is going to be everything to everybody every moment of the day – it’s not possible anyway.  Only BO’s supporters believed in a delusion like that.  Why expect something like that from Hillary?  Even had she been allowed her win, she probably would have done some things some of us didn’t like.  When has it been otherwise with an elected official?  You can’t even get that kind of sympatico perfection from a lover or mother or pet!  We support people who seem most in line with our worldview – we don’t vote for clones of ourselves. 

    It just seems so black/white for people to make these demands of her.  “She has to do X and then she’ll be good, otherwise, she’s bad and I want nothing more to do with her!”  With that kind of approach, none of all the hard work she is doing means nothing – and that’s not right, IMO.

  • Dario

    That’s the interesting part of our system.  By law, all cabinet members, and most government jobs are vetted, but as far as I know presidents and most elected officials are not vetted.  I think certain congressmen who are in certain secret committees are vetted.  Larry is probably the best person to answer that tricky question.  I would say that the chances of the imam not having been investigated is very small.  People here might not like his religious views, but I doubt very much that the imam is a risk.  In fact, there have been more people who have spied for Israel, than Muslims for a foreign entity.  Yet few see U.S. citizens who have served in the Israeli army as a risk to our government.   Just saying.

  • lorac

    I never saw a definition of hedonism that included the grueling work schedules those two have…

  • Docelder

    Convert, pay a protection tax or die… could just as easily be Al Gore with his carbon tax. But this is interesting.

  • Docelder

    I think fascism is the new communism. It includes Islamic fasism, carbon fascism, corporate fascism and so forth.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Not without a war on our own soil I do not expect OA! However, I think it will be Europe that will take the brunt of it when push comes to shove!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    It will be a different war altogether OA at a guess!! Europe will take the brunt of it and the UK could be a very different place …. :’(

  • elaine

    Shariah banking forbids the paying of interest, this sucks if you need compounded interest income especially as the Fed seems to be doing all in it’s power to keep rates very low & devalueing the currency simultaneously. But it works well for the bank.

  • elaine

    Oh, & it works real well for Obama who only wants to reward work not wealth. In other words you (the depositor/saver) loan the bank $$$ & get nada except a “safe place” to park your cash until Big Ben can finish devalueing it. Good deal, huh?

  • Guest

    I’m curious though, why has Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf been traveling the world on our dime via the State Department for so many years? Why did Bush and SoS Rice allow him to go on the same tour, as was he investigated after the tradgedies of 9/11 ? All these many years, I sure as heck hope that State already knows everything there is to know about him!

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_08/025164.php

  • Nellie

    Ferd, I agree – if they are not willig to follow OUR laws, and learn OUR language and customs then they can stay there to practice their religion.

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    what else can I call a WOMAN WHO SUPPORTS THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN. 

  • kenoshamarge

    I don’t think it is on her shoulders to save the world lorac. However, since she is the Secretary of State she cannot be considered just a bystander to what is done by the Department of State. If she is NOT in charge of her own department then it’s long past time she gets out. It seems Crowley is trotted out whenever something sticky is going on. Would everyone who supported Hillary Clinton in 2008, and I was one, be willing to give the same excuse and/or justification for the heads of other departments?

    If things are not going as we want them to go in the Department of Education don’t we rail against Arne Duncan? Granted Oblahblah is his boss but he is still the Secretary of Education is he not?

    Same for the Department of Health and Human Services. Do we not hold Kathleen Sebelius responsible for what happens in her department?

    I just wonder why, because we were once Clinton supporters, and still admire her in many ways, that we must always give her a pass. Or find an excuse.

  • Nobama4me

    OA and JM:
    In 1974, the then President of Algeria, Boumediene, told the UN General Assembly:”Soon, millions of people from the ME will move to the West, but they will not be your friends, because they will be there to conquer. It will be a conquest achieved by the wombs of our women:they will give us the sons that we need to be victorious.” Europe should have taken him seriously.

  • BARB

    I think she needs to RESIGN NOW..and not wait for the Fall elections.  Of course, I’m still angry at her for becoming part of the Obama Administration.  I have read your posts by Dr. Lynette Long about the way Obama and pals vilified her..and very probably stole the election from her. 

  • Olivia1998

    I agree with you GUEST: Why was he allowed to travel on our dime with Bush? 
    Two differences:
    1) There’s a Democratic Government in house and senate (a bigger moron for President)
    2) He’s fund raising and planing on building a mosque near ground zero

  • Olivia1998

    I agree with you GUEST: Why was he allowed to travel on our dime with Bush?  
    Two differences I see: 
    1) There’s a Democratic Government in the house, senate and WH (a bigger moron for President) 
    2) Raul is fund raising and planing on building a mosque near ground zero

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Lorac, Hillary CHOSE to work in Obama’s Administration, a fact we cannot forget.  She is not an endentured servant, she chose this job, and to do this work.  You may recall, I was never thrilled that she chose to do that, but was glad there was at least one adult int he room. 

    That is to say, we cannot absolve her of all and any responsibility for choices like this.  She is not some passive little puppet, right?  That was why we loved her – her strength, intelligence, and abilities.  As much as I would love to say she couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with this choice of Rauk, she DID sign off on it.

    That’s the rock and a hard place, isn’t it?  Either she did sign off on Rauk, which is terrible, or she didn’t, and they did it anyway, which would indicate she has little power (so why is she still serving Obama?). 

    I truly understand your defense of her – you KNOW I love Hillary Clinton.  I have made that abundantly clear.  But, expectations aside, she is in this Administration by her choice, and she is ultimately responsibile for choices made in her State Department.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Yes, Van Gogh was his name.

    Hmmm – I think she deserves her own post, don’t you?

  • Sassy

    Central to the controversy surrounding the proposed mosque is the terrorists’ attack of 9/11.
    Secretary of State Condeleeza Rice was lambasted with regard to the infamous August memo.
    Her involvement was scrutinized by the Congress, the liberal media, the public and here at NoQuarter.
    Secretary of State Clinton is a member of this Cabinet, and as such, she is either responsible and effective, or she is not.
    Enough with the excuses. They are demeaning to all involved!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    And you see, I say that is just the problem.  Assuming thisman was fully vetted by the Obama Admin., and they sent him ANYWAY, is the big issue.

    Pajamas Media was not the only site to mention Rauk’s support of Sharia Law.  He first made his claim abt the US being an “accessory” – his word – to 9/11 to Ed Bradley on CBS News.

    You continue to miss the point.  It is precisely his views, especially regarding WOMEN, that make him a poor representative for the US, especially coming from Sec. Clinton’s State Dept.  That’s the point. 

    And what EllenD said – Obama wasn’t vetted in the least, and there have been plenty of other examples of people in gov’t not being vetted.  Good grief.

  • kenoshamarge

    The same thing you call a man that does it, an asshole. Gender neutral.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thank you, EllenD, and I concur.  I detest that word. 

    Crackerjack, you have been around a long time, but I agree – ratchet it back on that kind of language, especially since it’s abt a woman. 

    I appreciate your frustration with Hillary on this.  I am frustrated, too.  But we can be frustrated and angry with her without resorting to that particular slur.  Thanks.

  • Docelder

    That about sums up the situation we have now with banking. They pay about 1% on savings now. That is almost nothing and it isn’t close to covering what you lose in currency devaluation. Except I would say that it isn’t necessarily a “safe place” to park money anymore. Aside from devaluation of the dollar due to over printing money the banks aren’t sure bets anymore either. They are no better than the FDIC which backs them. I don’t know what is a good investment now. Maybe divesting in the US dollar and in US property is sadly the only thing I can think of off the top.

  • Docelder

    Also, I have to add that I never cared for daddy Bush much. He was no Ronad Reagan. I think Bush I already had started unraveling what Reagan did before Clinton came in. Bush I, Clinton, Bush II were all really progressives. Party branding aside they were all a lot alike. What we have now for POTUS is just a full puppet of the globalist corporations. He doesn’t even feel the need to disguise it. He doesn’t feel the need to even try to appease regular America. He knows he doesn’t need us. He has his globalist corporate sponsors. That is all he needs to promote the destruction of everything American once and for all. He must hate the old America as much as I hate this new one. If so, then I know how he must feel.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Well said, Diana.

    And as you and others have said, everyone knows we have freedom of religion here.  That’s why many people have come to this country, and continue to come to this country.

    So, yeah – why are we sending this man on his THIRD trip, and coincedentally, when he is raising funds?

    I might also add – how in the world did PJ Crowley become the spokesperson for anyone, much less Sec. Clinton??

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    That is correct – he needs to raise abt $100 million dollars.  How coincidental that he will be traveling to the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.  Huh – no money to be had in any of those countries, right?

    But c’mon, Talk2ThePaw – they are going to keep a CLOSE eye on him to make sure he doesn’t raise any funds whatsoever on this trip!  Sheesh, what a cynic you are!  :-D

  • Janis

    I love the way you guys read an article about some guy who wants to blow shit up, and immediately zero in on Why Hillary Sucks.  What the hell sort of twisted evenhandedness are you all trying to prove — and to whom?

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Evident;y, this is the purpose of the trip: The Obama administration insisted the trip, reportedly with stops in Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Qatar, was strictly to improve understanding about Muslim communities in the United States.

    Oh – and HAMAS has endorsed building the mosque two blocks from Ground Zero.  Rauf has refused to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organization.

    I guess that abt says it all.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly Nobama4me, the governments in these countries failed their citizens. I fully understand and see exactly what has happened with my own eyes. We need to keep the pressure up here in the USA. We have a chance to turn the tide…. I fear that if many do not wake up soon and very soon we will be looking back at a completely different world….

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly Nobama4me, the governments in these countries failed their citizens. I fully understand and see exactly what has happened with my own eyes. We need to keep the pressure up here in the USA. We have a chance to turn the tide…. I fear that if many do not wake up soon and very soon we will be looking back at a completely different world….

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Exactly Nobama4me, the governments in these countries failed their citizens. I fully understand and see exactly what has happened with my own eyes. We need to keep the pressure up here in the USA. We have a chance to turn the tide…. I fear that if many do not wake up soon and very soon we will be looking back at a completely different world….

  • Docelder

    This was an interesting link… in Michigan they are having high school football practice at night to accomodate Muslim students. This is just plain insanity. These are high school students practicing at midnight to the early hours of the morning… for what? What about the students who aren’t Muslim? How about you make practice at normal practice time or you don’t maybe make the team? I can’t believe the school system there is o.k. with this.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=5467167

  • Docelder

    Hillary Koolaid is just as rancid as Barack koolad is. She wanted the job. She has the job. She should be responsible for what she does with the job. If she can’t be responsible for what she does herself… then her and Barack share that same trait in common.

  • Docelder

    WHat they have done here is to indioctrinate the entir football team into Muslim teachings about Ramadan. If they were singing Christmas carols the ACLU would have already sued the school. But teachable moments I guess are special.

  • Docelder

    What they have done here is to indioctrinate the entire football team into Muslim teachings about Ramadan. If they were singing Christmas carols on the field the ACLU would have already sued the school. But teachable moments I guess are special.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Excuse me, Ferd, why wait until the fall elections?  (I don’t get the reason for waiting.  Why shouldn’t she just resign immediately, on principles, given that she’s supposedly the head of the Dept. of State and it’s being used so corruptly…) 
    ================
    I understand your point. My recommendation is only due to the fact that a half-way point is a good time to resign. If she would do it today, I would be just as content.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yes, but I grew up in strong conservative democrat Oklahoma.
    -==================================
    Amen to that, Doc. And I grew up very near you. My father was a bluedog Democrat for years, as am I, still (I just won’t belong to the party any longer). I’ll give you a hint about my background–my Father was the right-of-way Attorney for the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority for 37 years.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    During the primaries, Hillary was very specific about her plans.
    ======================
    Agreed, lorac. That is why I gave to her campaign and worked for her selection. She was heaad and shouldres above the rest of the Democratic crowd. I will never, ever forgive the DNC for what they did to here. I will actively work against the Obamacrats and do it as a volulnteer.

  • Onofre’s arm

    .” in Michigan they are having high school football practice at night to accomodate Muslim students.”

    To slightly alter a great Churchillian quote;”In the history of this Republic, never have so many done so much for so few.”

    When I was in High school, our football games were on Saturdays. As I understand it, now days the games are played on Friday night. Was that changed to accommodate Jews? Hmmmm, I doubt it. (I think it was done to increase viewership of college football….$$$$$) 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    You continue to miss the point.  It is precisely his views, especially regarding WOMEN, that make him a poor representative for the US, especially coming from Sec. Clinton’s State Dept.  That’s the point.
    =======================
    Game, set, match. Thank you RRRA.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Gosh Doc, Noogan’s noggin will explode if she sees this.
    ==================
    Good.

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    fine. I won’t use that WORD any more (wish there was an EDIT link along with the flag like and reply)  but My point is that a Woman who Supports Tryanny and opression aganst women is double evil because its opression aganst her own kind.  I just had to think of the most evil word I could think of and that is it.  I hate the word too.  that’s why I used it.  because a woman who supports opression of women is the worst kind of woman.  Sorry to offend but that was the best way I could express myself. 

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    It’s the Noogan’s of the world that don’t get that this fight against Islam is the free world’s 21st century World War.

  • FLDemFem

    Practicing at midnight??? The traditional end of the day in Ramadan is sunset, not midnight. So they should be able to practice at sunset, or after dinner, not the middle of the night.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    It’s the Noogans of the world that do not understand that the fight against Islam is the free world’s 21st century world war.

    Here is another special interest group of less than 2% wagging a whole country around.  That has to stop, now!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    It’s the Noogans of the world that do not understand that the fight against Islam is the free world’s 21st century world war. 
    =============================
    Noogan has compromised principles. Islam is an anathema to any free society. As I have said before, it is a religion that squashes liberty, personal rights, and all criticism against it. It survives because it keeps people uninformed and dependent. Yuck.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    But teachable moments I guess are special.

    This is bowing to pressure. Nothing less! Hello?? Chip….chip….chip….

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    You’re absolutely correct, Ferd.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Again, here’s a special interest group assailing America and getting their way. 

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Crackerjack.  I appreciate your taking our comments int he spirit they were intended!

    FYI: just so you, everyone, knows, we can each delete our own comments to edit them (like if I notice a typo, I copy the comment, delete it, then put it back and correct it).

    That goes for making duplicate comments, too.  With our new system, we, the commenters,  can delete them.  Honestly, it is actually harder for the Admin to do it now as a result.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Janis, seriously?  The imam is traveling under the STATE DEPARTMENT.  Hillary Clinton is SECRETARY of STATE.  Are you saying we should completely ignore she heads up the entire thing?  That kind of denial is exactly what brought us Barack Obama in the first place.

    No – Hillary Clinton is not above reproach, as much as I love her.  If something is happening under her watch, and it is, then she is ultimately responsible. 

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Well, Doc, I was a yellow dog Democrat my entire voting history.  I despised every Republican ever running for office (except once when I changed to vote for Buchanan in a CA primary…over illegal immigration).  But as soon as that was over, I went back to the party like a good little lamb; wa strong Clinton supporter…both of them.  But I have come to believe I was punked.  I won’t ever vote for a Dim again and that includes Hillary.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Well, Doc, I was a yellow dog Democrat my entire voting history.  I despised every Republican ever running for office (except once when I changed to vote for Buchanan in a CA primary…over illegal immigration).  But as soon as that was over, I went back to the party like a good little lamb; was strong Clinton supporter…both of them.  But I have come to believe I was punked.  I won’t ever vote for a Dim again and that includes Hillary.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    If she came out saying she wasn’t in agreement it would show she was not making the decisions.  She won’t do that.  So again, damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t.  Just like the position she has landed herself in with the Obamacrats from the start.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Amy, make that past tense…”were” supporters.

  • Justine

    I respectively disagree entirely with you, Lorac, in this case.  If Hillary is indeed the SoS, and the head of the Department of State, she must speak out if she is against this immam representing US worldwide.  If she does not object, my respect for her is gone.  If she is unable to remove this immam from DOS support, she should resign, if ethical.  If my boss demands something of me which I morally, ethically, and intellectually disagree with, my only choice is to resign.  (We thought the DOS, with Hillary in charge, was at least somewhat ethical.  That argument is no longer valid.)
    .

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    (edited for Senistity)Hillary approved this?  Last straw. I just tore down the sign I had in front of my apartement since 2008.  Anyone who supports sharia law is an enemy of women.  If that supporter is femaile… Im sorry…she is a ..very bad woman of the lowest order…   Maybe all those Hillary bashers were right. I just needed to be hit over the head with a two by four

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    very very bad woman.   one that deserves the raspeerry when she passes. :-P   nyah Hillary nyah nyah

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I watched the entire Honor Killing documentary on Fox over the weekend, previously only seen in segments.  I felt sick afterward…even though I was not uninformed about Muslims and their beliefs.  This POS husband/father is still at large.  I’m guessing in Egypt since that’s where his son is living now.  There is some blame that goes to the Western women who do not educate themselves and either date or marry these cretins.  I have a former friend who no longer speaks to me because I tried to convince her not to marry a man from Tunisia.  She is another desperate woman with a long history of dysfunctional family and marital relationships.  She has had a son with him now and I can only pray that she doesn’t wind up with a tradegy.  She may be better off that most as her family has money.  He’s a total leech.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I watched the entire Honor Killing documentary on Fox over the weekend, previously only seen in segments.  I felt sick afterward…even though I was not uninformed about Muslims and their beliefs.  This POS husband/father is still at large.  I’m guessing in Egypt since that’s where his son is living now.  There is some blame that goes to the Western women who do not educate themselves and either date or marry these cretins.  I have a former friend who no longer speaks to me because I tried to convince her not to marry a man from Tunisia.  She is another desperate woman with a long history of dysfunctional family and marital relationships.  She has had a son with him now and I can only pray that she doesn’t wind up with a tradegy.  She may be better off that most as her family has money.  He’s a total leech.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I hate to even think it but maybe there isn’t a moderate cleric in this country. 

    According to the Muslm physician who made the documentary “The Third Jihad”, there are no moderate Imans in the USA and they are all promoting the overthrow of our government by any means necessary.  So far he is the only Muslim I would be willing to trust…it must be difficult and dangerous for any Muslim to come out against what is being planned for the USA.  Sadly, if there are moderate practitioners, they are cowards.  They need to make strength through numbers…publicly.  Otherwise?  Useless…and they hang back to reap the rewards that the extremists try to lay claim to.

  • Mary Beth

    I HAVE READ EVERYONES RESPONSE!! And my eyes are crossed at the moment, but not my thoughts on the subject.
    The right to build a Church , Mosque, Synogogue  in America is a given:  The Sensitivity to the people who live near and aroud this building is the question. we’ve already heard about several reasons why it’s not socially sensitive on the Muslims part to build where 3,000 Americans, have died ,for no reason other than the radical Islamist brought down a country in less than 2hours, just because they could and will probably do it again, because they believe that they are the Chosen .
    And we’re suppose to be “sensitive to their beliefs” WTF is this all about?
    No one in this country who is a true American will let this built…not there, nott now..or ever.

  • ripalinsky

    The Muslim world is incapable of stopping the Ground Zero Victory Mosque. After the Ground Zero, 2008 Election, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and Europe victories, why would it scrap the US Victory Mosque? Only the Country Class (never the Ruling Class) can stop this disaster.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    That is their plan for the world. 

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    It is more than a religion.  It is a system of living and only their way is  acceptable.

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