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“An Unholy Alliance”

In the recent special on an “honor killing” in Texas, an activist, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, spoke out about the treatment of women in Islam. Hirsi Ali knows a lot about how women are treated having grown up in Somalia, Saudi Arabia, and Kenya. She has survived the genital mutilation that was (is) common in her culture (I chose not to put the tale of this act committed against Hirsi Ali, then a 5 yr old girl. If you wish to read about it, click here.).

But that is just the beginning of who she is. There is so much more to this woman’s remarkable life. In addition to the activism for which she is known now, she was elected to the House of Representatives in the Netherlands in 1992. Hirsi Ali has written and spoken out extensively about not only her life, but the lives of women in general living under Islam, a life of subservience, of subjugating much of what makes them who they are. She speaks of her mother’s life:

[snip]Like all Somalian women, she had been pressured all her life to suppress her personality, to sublimate everything to men and to God – to become what Ayaan calls “a devoted, well-trained work-animal”. [snip]

Hirsi Ali’s activism has not been without a price, though. She continues to live under a fatwa, even now in the United States, where she has to travel with armed guards to this day as a result of her outspokenness on Islam. But at least she is still alive. The director who worked with her on a documentary about women and Islam is not so lucky, as this article, “My Life Under A Fatwa” from the Independent UK highlights:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was stabbed into the world’s consciousness three years ago. One wet afternoon in November 2004, her friend Theo van Gogh – a film-maker, and descendant of Vincent – left his house and was about to cycle off through Amsterdam. But a young Dutch-born Muslim called Mohammed Bouyeri was waiting for him – with a handgun and two sharpened butcher’s knives.

Wordlessly, he shot Van Gogh twice in the chest. Van Gogh howled: “Can’t we talk about this?” Bouyeri ignored his pleas and fired four more times. Then he pulled out a knife and slit Van Gogh’s throat with such strength that his head was almost severed from his body. He used the other knife to stab a five-page letter on to Van Gogh’s haemorrhaging corpse.

Ayaan explains: “The letter was addressed to me.” It said that Van Gogh had been “executed” for making a film with her that exposed the widespread abuse of Muslim women. Now, she would be “executed” too – for being an apostate.

Her story is recounted in that article, and what a life it has been. I urge you to read the rest. It is quite a story indeed.

All of that is to say, Ayaan Hirsi Ali knows whereof she speaks when it comes to Islam as a woman who grew up Muslim, and who has lived in several Muslim nations. Heaven knows, she is far more than an authority on it than I am.

And so, given the current brouhaha over the proposed mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero, and the imam who wants to build it currently on a trip to the Middle East on our dime, this seems like a good time to focus a bit more attention on what Hirsi Ali has to say. It is timely, provocative, and disturbing.

The following clip deals more with Islam in Europe, though Hirsi Ali does mention the United States. Still, what she says encompasses what is happening in the States:

And now, Hirsi Ali speaks specifically about the United States. You do not want to miss this. It is quite something:

An “unholy alliance” – WOW. The point she makes about the second type of liberal was breathtaking.

There is so, so much more to this woman’s life, and what she has to say. I encourage you to watch more of her interviews. She is quite something.

Oh, and about that mosque near Ground Zero? Well, Hamas has weighed in on this issue. Yes, Hamas, the terrorist organization, has something to say about it. They say, build it, as this S.A. Miller NY Post article, “Hamas Nor For Ground Zero Mosque” points out:

[snip]“We have to build everywhere,” said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization’s chief on the Gaza Strip.

“In every area we have, [as] Muslim[s], we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer,” he said on “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” on WABC. [snip]

Oh, it gets better:

[snip]“First of all, we have to address that we are different as people, as a nation, totally different,” he said.

“We already are living under the tradition of Islam.

“Islam is controlling every source of our life as regard to marriage, divorce, our commercial relationships,” Zahar said.

“Even the Islamic people or the Muslims in your country, they are living now in the tradition of Islam. They are fasting; they are praying.” [snip] (Click HERE to read the rest.)

And Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf still refuses to characterize Hamas as a terrorist organization. Right…

I understand well Hirsi Ali’s point that liberals like many of us do not want anyone to be subjected to the kind of discrimination African Americans and others (Chinese, Japanese, and Hispanics, to name a few) have experienced in the United States. I completely get that. But I think she raises some good points about how we cannot allow that to blind us to some realities we may not want to admit for fear of the historical reality some groups have faced here.

And yet, address these issues we must, with eyes wide open…

  • Diana L. C. the Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    RRRA,

    Thanks again for a great post. 

    The people on the left who believe that the immigration of Muslims will work out as it has for other ethnic groups are as wrong about this issue as they are about the immigration debate about Arizona’s law.

    I keep pointing out that my four grandparents immigrated to Colorado from Russia and worked alongside Hispanic migrant workers and immigrants in the beet fields of Colorado.  Only the Hispanic workers who chose to assimilate have made it in this country as did my extended family, by choosing to become Americans first rather than being “others.”  The other Hispanic migrant workers earned their money, spent half here on entertainment for themselves (they were mostly men at the time) and sent the rest home.  They remained loyal to Mexico and thought of themselves first and foremost as Mexican.  We have an enormous number of these people here in the U.S.

    We will always have the same problem with Muslims who choose to remain loyal to their concept of sharia law and jihad.  They will never think of themselves as Americans first.  That is central to their religious beliefs.  If they can’t accept certain limits to their freedom of religion in the U.S., we should make it clear they can’t come in.

    And the people on the left who are as hateful of America (led by Billy Ayers and his little half-black buddy) who encouage the takeover by the fanatical Muslims will, as I’ve mentioned before, ride the back of the tiger for a while if it comes to that, but will indeed be eaten by the tiger in the end.

    On both issues, immigration and dealing with “freedom of religion,” the good people of the U.S. must come together and insist that immigration means being loyal to the U.S. first.  To me that means more simple things for the Hispanics:  learn English, do not display the Mexican flag where the American flag belongs, follow our immigration rules and our laws.  For the Muslims it means renouncing sharia law and allowing their children freedom of religion. 

    It’s always been the people in the second generation of immigrants who make that final switch to becoming American.  The Muslims must understand that their children will have the right at some point to choose to be Muslim or not.  Somehow we need to put that into legal language and enforce it.  If they can’t sign papers renouncing sharia and granting freedom of religion for their children, they should not be allowed in.  And any religious organization getting the benefit of freedom of religion in this country that goes against those restrictions, must be shut down.

  • Nobama4me

    I have no words to describe the admiration I feel for this woman. The description of her life before the Netherlands is, indeed, heartbreaking. I only hope she is kept safe from the murderers that want to silence her.
    As for the mosque in NY, I have only one question for all the proponents and  sympathizers of this abomination: IF the intent is to build a memorial for the VICTIMS of 9/11, why not pour their 100 million in the National 9/11 Memorial Fund? Why the need for a separate building? More specifically: is it because the National Memorial will NOT memorialize the Muslim perpetrators and the mosque will?

  • Tricia

    Fine post.  The Muslim treatment of women is to be roundly condemed.  Personally, I think they are terrified of women, that’s why they maintain the control.  Ayaan is a real threat.  Good for her–Go girl!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I have no words on this. I can’t. Thank you RRRA.

  • Janis

    “Heaven knows, she is far more than an authority on it than I am.”

    She far more of an authority on it than all the with-it, oh-so-enlightened white-collar idiots who advertise their “tolerance” by celebrating oppression.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I have tears in my eyes and sadness in my soul. Yet she escaped it. It is all too gut-wrenching.  Were I King for a day, I would take them all in my arms and comfort them and promise a better day ahead.  Wishing just ain’t working for me right now.

  • Nobama4me

    I wanted to add a big THANK YOU to R3A for giving Ayaan Hirsi Ali a front page post. I remember now seeing her on, of all the places, the Bill Maher show. I assume she was the voice of the “right” in a panel with 3 libs.(back when I thought I was one too). That night, they showed her the respect she has earned which pleasantly surprised me; there was no snickering or teasing about what she was saying. And, they listened, for once.  

  • HARP

    Great post. It should be on TV.

  • Olivia1998

    Bless you Rev Amy.  Ayaan is my hero.  In my work I have known Muslim women who have tried to escape violence in the Muslim home and watched the backlash they endure from the Muslim community just because they dare to want to be safe and live a normal life with or without children humbles me every day.  In America and the Western world we have our own violence against women but Muslims disdain for the female race I really can’t put into words.  Ayaan is so brave her voice is the voice of reason in the middle of a terrible storm.  We need to stand strong for women like Ayaan who speak out and be their support if we’re going to maintain our dignity as a country.
    Thank you againfor this post Rev Amy 

  • Yttik

    Thanks Rev Amy! Ayaan Hirsi Ali, what a brave woman.

  • HC123

    Somehow the filmmaker Van Gogh asking his killer to discuss the matter seems similar to the Americans, especially the New Yorkers, who think Cordoba house is a great idea.

    I generally find empathy to be a good thing, but not when it eclipses reason and good sense.

  • twistedfister13f

    From the book of tolerance, a watered down version that is prefaced to appeal to non-muslims merely for propaganda. It is an actual “interpretive translation” which has scrubed clean the most vile of passages. It reveals itself to be nothing more than a how-to manuel in dealing with insurections, “Those among your wives who commit indecency(adultery?), and after their offence has been substantiated by four witnesses(male?), you can restrict them to their homes until they die or God(Allah) finds another way for them(stoning?)”. This translation is by Dr. M.K. Jasser of Scottsdale Arizona and printed in 2008. And even with a strong white-wash and total absence of any passages from tha Hadith, it shows nothing to the observer but a religion of hate.

  • Peggy Sue

    I just listened to a conversation between Ayaan Hursi Ali and Inshad Manji on Fareed Zakaria’s GPS show yesterday morning.  Hursi Ali has a gentle grace about her.  She’s very reserved yet deliberate in her speech.  She has completely rejected Islam and fully embraced the traditions of the Western Enlightenment.  Her work seems dedicated to reaching out to young Muslim women in particular to encourage them to think, to question Islam and their role in it.  She’s a fierce supporter of inspiring critical thinking on all fronts.

    In contrast, Manji, also a writer and activist, is a practicing Muslim, a moderate.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    It’s hard to believe that Islam has resisited the modern world for all these centuries.  Since Muslims consider Western women whores I wonder how they justify co-mingling?  Do they go away after contact and “cleanse” themselves?  Since they also believe dogs to be unclean, is this the reason Baby Doc has the dog travel on a separate plane?  How do they stand being around us?  I know from my side, I won’t stand being around them, their lack of intelligence and hipocrisy.

  • Peggy Sue

    I keep hitting that send button, prematurely.

    Anyway, Manji is a ball of energy.  She’s very animated and passionate.  Her thrust appears to be encouraging other young moderates to find their voice in rejecting extremism where ever they see it.  But she says the job is difficult because many of the young still live in traditional households, where dishonoring the family with public expressions of criticism is a no-no.  In fact, one group of young men in Detroit came up to Manji’s mother after a TV interview and thanked her for supporting her daughter.  When Manji and her mother asked why they hadn’t said anything while the TV cameras were rolling, they said: tonight you get on a plane and leave but we have to go back to our neighborhood and face our families.

    So, these are two women both working in different ways but who agreed that both approaches were important. 

    There’s no doubt that Ayaan Hursi Ali has a compelling story to tell.  I’ve listened to her speak several times.  She’s very moving and she’s had quite a nomad’s life, both in the different parts of the world where she’s lived and the journey she’s taken in a intellectual way.  Sad as well.  Her family is still in Somalia and when she speaks to her mother she always begs her daughter to come back to the fold, to the faith.  But, of course, she can’t.  Amazing story! 

    Good piece, Amy!

  • elaine

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali is indeed a very likeable & brave woman. I have a mundane curiosity: who pays for her body guards? Anyone know?

  • Peggy Sue

    I just listened to the second half of this particular interview with Hursi Ali.  She’s remarkably precise when she speaks.  That in itself is refreshing because we’re exposed to so much gobbeltedy-gook in our public discourse.  But she speaks about the Left–how there is Left and then there is Left, meaning the Far Left. 

    She spoke about those who are left of center, the liberals, which is where I am politically and how there is a concern about singling groups out through open discrimination and hate because of one’s faith, color, national origin, whatever.  And then there’s the Far Left, those who are as rigid and doctrinaire as any Marxist or Muslim extremist, who insist that diversity, multiculturism overrules everything else and that immigrant groups should be able to practice their laws, customs and language within their newly adopted Western culture.

    I agree with her absolutely.  I think Europe and the UK specifically have made a horrific mistake in not insisting that minority, immigrant groups adopt the laws and values of the West.  Sharia Law has no place in the West.  It is antithetical to our system, to our entire way of being. We had a case recently in New Jersey where a Muslim woman was denied a restraining order after her husband repeatedly abused and raped her.  The judge’s take on that case was because the husband was acting on his “religious” understanding, according to his Islamic faith, there was no criminal intent.

    Outrageous!

    Fortunately, the Superior Court of New Jersey threw that case out, said the judge was dead wrong, and that a cultural defense cannot be used to overturn American law. 

    For me, these are the things we need to be alert about, taking note of those who would undermine our judicial system, our very way of life with arguments of multiculturalism taken to its extreme.

    The other thing I find remarkable about Ali is her very presence.  Everything she’s been through, seen, experienced first hand and yet I’ve never heard any bitterness or deep resentment in her voice.  When she speaks of her family [who considers her lost], she speaks with a sad but loving tone.

    Pretty amazing. 

    Thanks again, Amy.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Wow, Diana, what a thoughtful, insightful comment.  And, I appreciate the personal history in there, too.  Thank you so much.  Well said!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Tricia.  And you said it – Ayaan is a credible threat, hence the need for body guards (and it should speak volumes that she has to have guards HERE, too)…

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Happy to do it, Nobama4me, truly.  She is a remarkable woman, no doubt abt it.  And glad to hear Hirsi Ali was treated with respect by the Bill Maher crowd.  That is shocking – ahem.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Olivia, it is my pleasure.  Thank you for mentioning her the other day, and sharing your own experience with us here.  Thank you. 

    And beautiful comment.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    As I understand it, she is paying for her own bodyguards now.  Initially, when she wsa in the Netherlands, the gov’t did since she was in the House.  But she has to pay herself now.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelnut Nut Thin Cracker

    AND, as I mention above, all those Muslim immigrants MUST be told in no uncertain terms that since we grant freedom of religion, they must also grant it to their wives and children. 

    If they want to play games about freedom of religion on this mosque issue, then they need to understand clearly that our laws will protect any woman and any young person who wants to turn away from Islam.

    Since we do have large numbers now of Muslim immigrants, we should begin to set up shelters with people specifically trained to help these women and children and to provide PROTECTION.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Fox covering Sharia law now!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    In Britain, sharia courts are permitted to rule only in civil cases, divorce and financial disputes.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    In Britain, sharia courts are permitted to rule only in civil cases, divorce and financial disputes.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    In Britain, sharia courts are permitted to rule in civil cases, such as divorce and financial disputes.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thanks, Peggy Sue.  Very interesting abt the two different women, too – I would have loved to have heard that…

    Great comment!

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Outstanding commentary, Peggy Sue.  Very well said.  And yes, it is telling that Hirsi Ali does not speak with bitterness in her voice, and is so precise in her speech.  Her stillness, her soft speech, cannot hide what a force she is in the fight for women.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    She has an opinion therefore she must be killed.

    Oh I just can’t stand this. :’(

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Thank you, candymarl – you have boiled it down to the primary issue.

    I can’t stand it, either.  It is evidence of what a threat they perceive her to be for what she is saying.  That is very telling, isn’t it?

  • RobertV

    Annie, Annie

    “It’s hard to believe that Islam has resisited the modern world for all these centuries.”

    No its not; Actually it is not at all. I will give you 3 examples:

    Afghanistan – probably the worst of radical Islam and don’t think for one minute that the regime we are going to hand power off is not going to continue that trend. Why? Simple. This country has been at war for literally hundreds of years. They have not had the opportunity to develop in any way shape or form. I am not pissing on our efforts there – It goes back much further than that. Ahh; they must be the regressors you say to be at war so long? – rarely. They just suck at rolling over and playing dead.

    Saudi Arabia – Religion is key to keeping the incredibly unequal distribution of wealth intact. Visit the French Riviera once if you want see how modern the top half percent lives and behaves. Oil wealth is what is at stake there, stakes so high they will never allow modernization of thought.

    Iraq – Sadam was an A-hole but his government was far more secular than what we are leaving behind and he did a lot to modernize the country. We did a lot to kick them back into the dark ages. 

    Resisting is a piss-poor choice of words. Mostly we are not trying to educate the Islamic world; we are either at war with them or playing political games. If you want them to crawl out of the dark ages what they need is some peace, some time and a little less poverty wouldn’t hurt either. 

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