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A COUP, THROUGH and THROUGH (2 of 3)

© 2010 jbjd

A COUP, THROUGH and THROUGH (2 of 3) is the second installment in the 3-part series describing the fraud pulled off at the 2008 DNC Services Corporation Presidential Nominating Convention in order to ensure Obama would receive the nomination so that his name would appear next to the D on the general election ballot . (For the first installment, go to A COUP, THROUGH and THROUGH (1 of 3) (or at NoQuarter).)

Much of this article consists of comments I posted on blogs in August 2008, which provide historical and retrospective context for the conclusions at which I presently arrive. PLEASE READ THESE COMMENTS, in order, while imagining you are a part of the Obama campaign’s team of dirty tricksters. This will help you to understand the way in which events leading up to the convention unfolded, and how and why in the end, they had to pull off a coup in order to secure the nomination.

Part 2: Lead-up to the Coup

Recall that the motive of the movers and shakers behind candidate Obama, was to get his name on the general election ballot by making him the nominee of the Democratic Party as far as possible in advance of the 2008 DNC Services Corporation Presidential Nominating Convention. But notwithstanding the nefarious means they had employed throughout the primary and caucus contests, they had nonetheless failed to secure the nomination. No matter what they tried, they could not undermine Clinton into relinquishing her bid for the nomination. Why, even now that the primary season was over, the candidate only suspended but did not end her campaign. So, over the summer Obama’s minions, having failed to secure the nomination based on the number of delegates pledged to him, now set out to corral the hundreds of delegates pledged to her, determined to steal his nomination before the convention.

I only created the “jbjd” blog in late August, 2008, after the convention. So, in June, after Clinton suspended her bid for the nomination, I continued commenting on other people’s blogs. For the most part, my focus was fixed on ridding the blogosphere of its misconceptions about specific facts related to the Obama and Clinton narratives, and not on improving people’s understanding of the electoral process. Because back then, I was as ignorant as to the nuts and bolts of our Constitutional republic as the average citizen 2 (two) years later, remains. Especially with respect to the role played by our 2 (two) major political parties.

By the first week in August, any knowledge deficit I had suffered regarding the electoral process was rapidly melting away. (Although as you will see, looking back, some of my comments sound so naive.)

Responding to rumors she might not be formally entered into nomination, Clinton supporters began pushing to ensure her name would appear on the ballot at the convention. According to DNC rules – by August, I was studying those rules – this would require the signatures of at least 300 pledged delegates, as well as the candidate. Her pledged delegates from all over the country had been demanding the opportunity to ‘represent’ the candidate the voters elected them to vote for at the convention. And, like the rest of us who had watched that May 31 meeting of the RBC, they were still smarting from the treatment their candidate had received at the hands of other members of her party. As a result, gathering the 300 signatures would be easy. But here was another problem. The Chair could refuse to enter into nomination anyone who failed to demonstrate loyalty to the Democratic Party. In light of the meme from party officials that Obama’s nomination was already a fait accompli, putting her signature on such a petition could be construed as evidence she was being disloyal to the party, which perceived disloyalty could become a bar to her formal nomination.

Yet, if her name was not formally entered and accepted into nomination then, any votes cast for her from the floor call of the roll would only be recorded as “Present.”

(Please note, from here on in, I will no longer cite to any rules of the DNC. Because another epiphany that came to me in August was this: the DNC is a private club. Thus, it can make and break its own rules. And it set up volumes of rules and by-laws that govern operations, with auspicious sounding titles like “Charter,” “Constitution,” “Model Rules to Delegate Selection Process,” and “Call to the Convention.” But here’s the thing about all these club rules: they can be changed at any time. According to club rules. Plus, “discretion” is written into everything. In other words, even if officials of the party engage in conduct that looks like it violates the corporation charter, this might only result from the fact, one objects to the particular way this discretion was used.)

With strong grassroots efforts underway to secure her nomination, on August 10, AP’s Nedra Pickler offered up “Clinton to headline second night of convention,” subsequently published by both MSNBC and RealClearPolitics, portraying the Clinton and Obama ‘camps’ were negotiating to determine whether her name would formally be entered into nomination.

Clinton told supporters she is seeking a way for her delegates to be heard at the convention and be united after the hard-fought nominating contest.

“Because I know from just what I’m hearing, that there’s incredible pent up desire. And I think that people want to feel like, ‘OK, it’s a catharsis, we’re here, we did it, and then everybody get behind Sen. Obama.’ That is what most people believe is the best way to go,” she said, according to video of the remarks taken by an attendee and posted on YouTube last week.

Obama told reporters Thursday he thought the negotiations with Clinton aides had gone “seamlessly,” but he also rejected the notion that there might be a need for emotional release on the part of some Democrats.

“I don’t think we’re looking for catharsis,” said Obama. “I think what we’re looking for is energy and excitement.” Id.

Ms. Pickler’s account of the Obama and Clinton negotiations contained these lines:

Delegates are not formally pledged to any candidate so Clinton does not need to “release” them to Obama. The rules also say delegates may vote for the candidate of their choice whether or not the name of such candidate was placed in nomination. Id.

As my readers can attest, discussing these issues I struggle to view the glass as half full rather than half empty. With this optimistic life view in mind, I refuse to characterize that AP, MSNBC, and RCP reporters and editors intentionally withheld from millions of their readers the material fact, laws in 13 states do bind pledged delegates to the candidate of the voters’ choice. Instead, I will grant, they just didn’t know.

Because on August 10, I still didn’t know. But by August 13, hearing bits and pieces from here and there, I was beginning to put it together.

I heard news reports that a Clinton delegate in CO was being pressured by the state chair of the party to change her support to Obama and had hired a lawyer to deal with the situation! Now, I looked up DNC model delegate selection rules to determine whether this Clinton pledged delegate could change her mind. DNC rules tell pledged delegates to use their “good conscience” to represent the will of the voters who elected them. Viewed in this light, the state chair who was pressuring her to change her mind to Obama could be construed to be merely encouraging her to exercise her discretion in a manner consistent with how the voters feel now, and not when she was elected.

Then, I heard something about a Clinton pledged delegate from OR being pressured to change her mind notwithstanding the law in her state required her to stick to her candidate. The law? You mean, the citizens of some states have enacted laws requiring pledged delegates they elect to follow the party’s candidate into the convention?

And that’s when the stark nature of the politics hit me: since Clinton for whatever reason had suspended her campaign, her delegates were now unprotected. Obama’s people swooped into the void and were picking them off, like sheep, one by one, on their way to the convention. I knew if she was to have any chance at the nomination; those of us who supported her candidacy would have to shepherd her pledged delegates through to the nomination.

I posted my thoughts throughout the blogosphere, especially on the PUMA PAC blog, which received hundreds of thousands of hits in the days leading up to the convention.

jbjd on 08.13.08 at 3:05 am

DELEGATE VOTES AT CONVENTION

Taffy,

This is fabulous! Nice work. I know of another state – either WA or OR – because I heard this last night on riverdaughter’s radio show. (I went to riverdaughter’s site to pull up the show but was unable to access her site, while she is away.) Anyway, PUMAs from GA can contact HRC delegates from that state, to make sure they know the law in their state and ask whether the state party has pressured them to switch to BO. If GA HRC delegates have been pressured, PUMAs can propose they could write a “Cease and Desist” letter to the head of the state party, copied to the S of S, advising them to stop extorting HRC pledged delegates to violate state law by committing to switching to BO before the convention or risk being replaced at the convention.

We need to have everyone’s back, not just HRC; because everyone’s back we cover, covers her.

And this, later that day, closer to realizing the full implication of delegate poaching and thinking out loud, what to do. (You will notice that even way back then, I was eschewing the practice of turning to ‘saviors’ to rescue our cause, in this case, Clinton’s nomination. Rather, I urged us, instead, to rely on ourselves.)

jbjd on 08.13.08 at 6:03 pm

GRIEVE; THEN RESUME THE MISSION

We need to have the backs of the state delegates so they can back HRC. These are ordinary people, like us. Many of them probably are here for the first time, and have been blindsided by all of this. All I want to do is empower them to stay the course. Otherwise, they will be replaced (in states where this is possible).

Unless we protect our delegates, both pledged and unpledged, that is, super, they cannot protect HRC. And if the national party wasn’t afraid she could still be the nominee, they wouldn’t be advising the state parties – I am certain this is coming from the top – to reign in HRC’s pledged delegates in their states.

The information I am providing for you is actually a step-by-step self-help manual. These are incidents of first impression. That is, nothing like this has ever happened before. So, I figured out a way to address the issue.

First, check to see whether you live in a state where state laws require pledged delegates to follow their candidates, at least through the first round of voting at the convention. (So far, we know that both GA and OR law require this.)

Then, call your state delegates pledged to HRC. These are ordinary people, just like us. Some of them are first-time office holders. They probably feel as blindsided as we do. After all, they are party members, too. The woman in CO hired a lawyer; but no one should have to hire a lawyer to protect herself from attacks by her own party.

Explain you are concerned as a Democrat, as a puma (generic), or as a citizen of the U.S.A. about what is happening to the Democratic party. If they have been pressured, take notes. Tell them you’ll get back to them. Then, come back here, and I will guide you where to go next.

(Please, keep your eyes on the prize.We don’t need a savior. Somebody mentioned Gloria Allred or Alan Dershowitz. These headline grabbers would do more to attract attention to themselves then they could ever provide help to us. Anyway, they cannot do anything for us that we cannot do for ourselves.)

Clinton supporters debate merits of roll call vote,” a USA Today report (published on abcnews.com) on August 13 tells of a continuing divergence of views on both whether Clinton’s name will be called on the roll; and the reasons as to why.

One of those supporters is Allida Black, a George Washington University historian who said she cashed in her retirement savings to finance travel to 14 states for Clinton. Black, a Clinton delegate from Virginia, is helping circulate the nominating petition.

“This is not a spite Obama effort,” she said. “This is for Hillary to get the respect her campaign merits.” Id.

(Within days, I would confirm Virginia was one of 13 states I identified and dubbed the “vote binding states.”)

Professor Heidi Li Feldman, Georgetown Law, maintained a blog called Heidi Li’s Potpouri, a must-read on the days leading up to the convention. On August 13, she posted the copy of a nasty letter Obama’s agents had sent to Clinton pledged delegates in GA. But there was no mention that GA was a vote binding state. Now, for the first time, I looked up GA law. And there it was. In fact, the GA law not only requires pledged delegates to support their candidates at the convention but also contains an advisory opinion from the GA AG, supporting the law and explaining its intent.

I posted this information on Heidi Li where, like all other comments, it went into Moderation. Then, I began wondering just how many other states had these vote binding laws. And whether this same nasty letter that had gone out to Clinton pledged delegates in GA had gone out to her delegates in those other states, too. Later, I went back to see whether Heidi Li had posted my comment; and whether anyone from GA had responded with a comment containing references to the vote binding law in that state. By now, several comments had come through Moderation. Mine was the only comment about the binding law in GA; but in the comment posted just above me, someone identifying as a Clinton pledged delegate from NC claimed, that mean-spirited letter that had been sent to Clinton delegates in GA had also been sent to her!

I checked; party delegates are not bound by the results of the NC primary. But now, I knew Obama was ‘pressuring’ Clinton pledged delegates to switch their votes to him in states throughout the country; and that in some of these states, delegates were bound to the candidate through the laws of their state.

In my mind, agents for Obama enticing Clinton pledged delegates in vote binding states to switch their votes to him before the convention, were breaking the law!

I decided to turn them all in.

On August 14, CNN reported, “Clinton’s name to be put in nomination.” Pointing to the obvious, they let us know, “Many die-hard Clinton fans have been hoping that her name would appear on the ballot.” Id.

That same day, ABC News’ Kate Snow also reported, “Deal: Clinton’s Name Will Be Placed in Nomination at Dems Convention.” “Some details are still being worked out, but Clinton’s name will be put into nomination at the Denver convention on Wednesday.” Id. “What also hasn’t been settled yet is who will nominate Clinton and whether she will stand up with the New York delegation when they are called on.” Id. “What has been settled, however, is that after both Clinton and Obama names are placed into nomination there will be a roll call vote.” Id. “What has also been hashed out is that at some point during the convention, Clinton will release her delegates officialy (sic) to Obama and that she will make it very clear that she is voting for Obama, the source said.” Id.

Jeff Zeleny, writing for the NYTimes on August 14, announced “Clinton’s Name Will be Put in Nomination.”

(In June 2005, Mr. Zeleny, then working for the Chicago Tribune, interviewed then newly-elected U.S. Senator Barack Obama.

Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race.

If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?

When it comes to race, Obama makes his point–with subtlety (emphasis added by jbjd)

Obama liked the 2005 article so much, he posted this on his now-defunct U.S. Senate web site. http://obama.senate.gov/news/050626-when_it_comes_to_race_obama_ma/ )

Anyway, on August 14, Mr. Zeleny reported, “Clinton’s name will be placed into nomination at the Democratic National Convention, a symbolic move approved by the Obama campaign in an effort to soothe a lingering rift with Clinton supporters.” Id. “After the state-by-state roll is tallied, Mrs. Clinton is expected to turn over her cache of delegates to Senator Barack Obama.” Id.

Summing up all of these reports from ABC, CNN, and the NYTimes on August 14, the great news was, everyone has agreed, Clinton’s name will formally appear on the ballot for the nomination; there will be an open roll call vote of all state delegations from the floor of the convention; and then she will release her cache of delegates making (most of) them free to vote for Obama and endorse his nomination.

Okay. Now, I could focus entirely on maintaining her delegates up to this ‘open roll call vote of all states’ for the nomination.

That same day, I began to formulate an action plan to turn in Obama’s gang to the A’sG of the vote binding states. This became the basic set-up of the project. 1) Find all of those states where the law required pledged delegates to stick to their candidates on the floor of the convention. 2) Obtain the names and contact numbers for A’sG, S’s of S, and state party Chairs in each state. 3) Identify, if applicable, any examples of delegate harassment specific to the state. 4) Compose a letter to the state AG citing the law and the harassment, requesting intervention to stop the illegal conduct. 5) Find names and contact information for Clinton pledged delegates in the state. 6) Identify local and national media outlets. 7) Recruit citizens in the state to carry out the project.

Here’s how it eventually worked. Citizens in the state printed and signed the letters to the AG with their names and addresses. These were faxed out to state officials, and copied (with or without identifying information) to party Chairs. Then, we sent blind copies to Clinton pledged delegates – often the only contact information we could obtain was street addresses, so these copies were sent via snail mail – along with this handwritten note near the signature line: “We have your back. PUMA.” Copies were then distributed to the press.

I launched the project on the PUMA PAC blog. These are just a sample of the comments I posted on that well-read blog on one day, August 14, beginning in the wee small hours of the morning.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 1:56 am

BO’S BC ISSUE

The bc issue isn’t ripe until after the convention, in some states, 24 hours after the convention, if he is nominated, and files nomination papers with the individual S’s of S. Blogging on other sites, I explained all this, and directed people to look for filing deadlines in their states, because the challenge window is based on these filing deadlines. Anyway, since no one can do anything about this bc situation until after the convention, please, focus on what needs to be done to secure support for HRC at the convention. And this means supporting the delegates, pledged and unpledged, to support her. This is what I am trying to do right now.

And more explanation in the ongoing formulation of my plan.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 3:56 am

HARASSING STATE DELEGATES – PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE,

read this and then, help me do something about it! Fellow PUMAs, BO’s emissaries from Chicago are now pressuring state delegates, too; and Chairman Dean is doing nothing to stop them. Here is an example of what they are doing in GA.
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/bearing-witness.html

Remember, GA is one of those states that requires their pledged delegates to stick by their candidates through the 2nd ballot at the convention. We have to help these pledged delegates from this not-too-subtle extortion! Who is from GA? I will check in before noon. Please, we need to contact GA pledged delegates. You can get their names from the GA S of S. Once we help delegates in one state, all of this harassment will stop. But that state has to have a state law requiring pledged delegates to stick by their candidate; and evidence of harassment.

I stressed the importance of carrying out this project (as opposed to other ‘PROWLs,’ the name for the ‘action projects’ posted daily at the top of the blog).

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 10:28 am

Texas Tigress,

Nothing sent to the head of the state party will accomplish the goal of protecting the pledged delegates inasmuch as 1) you are asking the oppressor to stop oppressing; and 2) the pledge delegate in jeopardy does not know you have her back. We have to get to the actual delegate; and she has to be willing to report the illegal conduct either through a “Cease and Desist” letter to the state party; or notice to the S of S. And everything needs to be copied to the press.

Coercing pledged delegates to violate state law is really big. (This is different from the scenario described in Heidi Li’s link, wherein Chicago is pressuring these delegates to disclose their votes in advance.) Like, if this is a DNC directed campaign to get the state parties to exert this pressure to switch allegiances, on pledged delegates who are required by law to support their candidates, we’re talking RICO-type conspiracy. This is FBI territory.

CALLING ALL GEORGIANS! (U.S.A., not former Soviet Union)

Throughout the day, I posted pointers, like this.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 10:50 am

HOW TO IDENTIFY PLEDGED DELEGATES IN YOUR STATE

The state party is required to provide the identities of party delegates to the S of S. Call their office; these people work for you. Do not bother calling the state party; this is not worth the runaround you might get, and your resulting frustration.

Note: Pledged delegates are not super delegates.

And this.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 12:18 pm

That’s why I want people in their states to contact their pledged delegates. We do not want HRC’s pledged delegates to feel they are hanging in the wind; and we have no idea how much support HRC is able to provide to them, given this present repressive situation.

If GA is getting these conference call calls then, other states must be, too. But what makes this worse in GA is that, by law, pledged delegates must support their candidates through at least the first round at the convention. That’s why I am so desperately looking for GA pumas.

I posted information on other potential vote binding states, including CA.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 1:18 pm

CALIFORNIA PUMAS

STOPPING DELEGATE HARASSMENT

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6201. …
(e) The California primary election is a “binding” primary.
Accordingly, delegate and alternate positions shall be allocated so
as to fairly reflect the expressed presidential or uncommitted status
of the primary voters in each district. Therefore, the national
convention delegates elected at the district level shall be allocated
in proportion to the percentage of the primary vote won in that
district by each preference…
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=64820815600+3+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
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Before I can tell you what to do in CA, I need to know what that word “binding” means here. Call the S of S elections division (916) 657-2166.

I sought favors; can someone please contact Jeff Zeleny?

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 1:52 pm

CAN SOMEONE DO THIS FOR ME? I AM SO BUSY ON THIS BLOG TODAY I HAVEN’T EVEN … YET!

Re-visit the DNC Call to Convention and find the page about the difference between “nomination” and roll call. Then, contact Jeff Zeleny – I find him to be pretty fair – and make sure he understands the difference between being officially placed into nomination and having your name ‘nominated’ from the floor, through which process any votes cast for you would only be recorded as “present.”

And posted more pointers on the project.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 3:50 pm

STATE DELEGATE HARASSMENT,
Implications of Letters from BO Representatives to State Pledged Delegates

As most of you already know, the principle that state pledged delegates should support their candidates at the convention is embodied in a document called
DNC Delegate Selection Rules. http://www.coloradodems.org/docs/2008DSPFinal.pdf
However, in certain states, including OR and GA, pledged delegates must, as a matter of state law, follow their candidates into the convention. So, for example, urging a pledged delegate to change her support, before the convention, is not only encouraging her to violate the spirit of the DNC Rules but also to break state law.

Any questions?

As I continued my research, I alerted readers to other vote binding states.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 5:24 pm

PLEASE CALIFORNIA PUMAS I admire your spirit but after I looked up your laws for you, I came up with this question, which no one is answering for me: what does that word “binding” mean here? You can call the S of S elections division (916) 657-2166. This will determine how best to proceed in your state. (Each state is different, which is why I have been asking you to identify your state. ) Also, I need people in each state to SPEAK to a pledged delegate to confirm HRC pledged delegates in each state are being contacted by BO’s people in Chicago and asked – under various ploys – to identify their candidates.

http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/bearing-witness.html

I cannot help you with the letter from your state until I have the information I asked for, from your state. As they say in the movies, “Help me help you.”

Still trying to confirm CA.

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 5:44 pm

STOPPING STATE PLEDGED DELEGATE HARASSMENT

CA PUMAS and others

I need you to do these 2 things. (I cannot tell you what to do next until I have these answers. Remember, I am trying to help out in all 50 states. I am swamped.)

1. Find out from the S of S – I gave you her # – what the word “pledged” means in the law I cited. Of course we would assume that, pledged means pledged. But I want to make sure what this means; ask specifically whether pledged delegates must vote for their candidate on the first vote at the convention. And take notes. (I have been asking for this since yesterday.)

2. Call some pledged delegates and find out whether they received a letter from BO’s people in Chicago, like the one on Heidi Li’s site.
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/bearing-witness.html

Then come back here and tell me what you found out.

And at the end of that very long day, a plea for HELP!

jbjd on 08.14.08 at 11:54 pm

HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP

Turns out, there are states out there that require pledged delegates to support their candidates through the first vote at the convention. So far, there’s OR; and GA; and IN. I need PUMAs organized by state. Now. But I cannot organize you – I am too busy researching your laws and writing state-specific letter. GA will go out, first. Tomorrow. Because the AG of GA has already written an advisory opinion explaining the intent of the law; and supporting the law. I anticipate the AG will not take too kindly to people from Chihttp://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-admin/post-new.phpcago encouraging pledged delegates in his state to break the law.

Citizens of GA pouring through thousands of comments posted on the blog each day, eventually found my comments and responded with their emails. In this way, we assembled a team I began referring to as ‘my Georgians’ to carry out the project in just that one state. At the same time I was researching the laws, obtaining the contact information, and writing the letter to the AG for the next state. And communicating the state vote binding project to readers of other people’s blogs, and recruiting citizens of each state to get out the letters I had written, state by state.

The next day, August 15, Ann Kornblut reported in the Washington Post these variations on the plans for the open roll call of all states on the floor of the convention that had been reported just the previous day.

Clinton to Get Roll-Call Vote at Nominating Convention

How, exactly, the roll call will work remains an open question, advisers on both sides said. After having her name entered into nomination, Clinton could then ask her delegates to support Obama, bypassing the long process of reading names aloud. But several advisers said they think there will be some kind of roll call, which could begin as early as Tuesday night of the convention. (emphasis added by jbjd)

Hmmm…

My letter to the AG of GA went out that same day. Copies were distributed to the SoS, the Chair of the state D party, and hundreds of state and national media outlets.

August 15, 2008

Thurbert E. Baker, Attorney General

Office of the Attorney General
40 Capitol Square, SW
Atlanta, GA 30334

VIA FAX: 404. 657.8733

SUBJECT: Solicitation to Violate O.C.G.A. § 21-2-196 (2008)

Dear Attorney General Baker:

Here in Georgia, pledged delegates selected as the result of votes cast for Senator Clinton in the Presidential primary election are legally required to vote for her during first-round balloting at the party’s nominating convention. OPINIONS OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL appended to the above-cited law explains, “This section reflects the legitimate interest of the state in insuring orderliness in the electoral process, and it provides a means of presenting the political preferences of the people of this state to a political party.” But in what can at best be interpreted as an overzealous advocacy on behalf of Senator Obama, in states throughout the country, including Georgia, proponents for his nomination have bombarded her delegates with subtle and not-so-subtle pressures to commit to switching support to him, before the convention. Or, failing that, they replace the Clinton-pledged delegate with one loyal to Obama. (See examples below. Note that while the first link shows the copy of a letter Senator Obama’s campaign sent to pledged delegates in Georgia, they distributed this same letter to delegates in all states, including states which, like Georgia,mandate pledged delegates to follow their candidates into the convention.) In Georgia, encouraging delegates entrusted with representing the political preference of Clinton voters, to pledge their support before the convention to Obama, solicits these delegates to break the law.

As a concerned citizen of Georgia, I am bringing this matter to your immediate attention anticipating that you will take appropriate action to ensure from now on, campaigning in this state related to the upcoming Democratic National Convention is consistent with Georgia laws.

Sincerely,

References: “Bearing Witness” (posting of letter from Khalil Thompson, Obama for America, Chicago) http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/2008/08/bearing-witness.html

Clinton supporters protesting removal of delegate at Democratic National Convention http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/WHAS11_POLITICS_080814_CLINTONOBAMA.486a4d97.html

“Explain, Dems tell Clinton delegate” (article on state party efforts to discipline Colorado delegate for Clinton for refusing to switch to Obama)

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_10170139

Copy: Karen C. Handel, Secretary of State

VIA FAX: 404.651.9531

Jane V. Kidd, Chairwoman, Georgia Democratic Party
jane@georgiademocrat.org

Readers began posting states in which stories of irregularities regarding Clinton pledged delegates had been in the news.

KENDALBLUE on 08.15.08 at 12:23 am

jbjd @@@@@@@@@
a link about Kentucky delegate..clintonrules posted it.

http://clintondems.com/2008/08/clinton-supporters-protesting-removal-of-delegate-at-democratic-national-convention/

On the 15th, PA Governor Ed Rendell (D) appeared with Neil Cavuto on FOX and misinformed the viewing audience, there is no such thing as a “pledged” delegate.

jbjd 08.15.08 at 7:07 pm
ED RENDELL
(PA IS AN UNBOUND COMMONWEALTH)

You are going to have to reach PA delegates who might not know Ed Rendell does not know what he is talking about. He’s saying there’s no such thing as pledged delegates within the Democratic Party. And, since PA delegates are unbound, they don’t know that in other states, including CA (we think), delegates are bound. So they might believe all delegates will switch their votes to BO, meaning even if they wanted to vote for HRC, their votes won’t matter.

Another state confirmed.

jbjd 08.15.08 at 7:08 pm

OREGON OREGON OREGON OREGON OREGON OREGON
(you’re next)

Anyone from Oregon – Do a shoutout to other Oregonians. Have them email you and put their addresses into a group marked OR. I am going to have you send this to me. I am writing your state letter now!

Oregon is next!

And another.

jbjd 08.15.08 at 9:29 pm

HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
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Does anyone have any information on the OR HRC delegate being pressed to switch to BO? I can’t find this; but I heard this on the radio. Anyway, I really want to include a link in the OR letter which, otherwise, is ready to go. WHERE ARE MY OREGONIANS? I am dancing as fast as I can.

IN is next.

Here is a wonderful wrap-up from one of my Georgians of the maiden effort in the vote binding project.

antifish 08.15.08 at 10:04 pm

OK Pumas, let’s all cheer up.

Just to let you know, in concert with our fellow Puma, jbjd, we GA pumas fought back against delegate intimidation today. Jbjd wrote a wonderful letter in legalese which was faxed to our Att Gen and Sec of State. We sent copies through snail mail to all pledged delegates letting them know we have their back. I know jbjd is eager to help each of you in your states, but please realize that she must carefully research the laws of each state in order to craft the letter properly. Let’s all be patient as we fight the strong-arming and intimidation of delegates.

A reminder we are on the side of the law.

jbjd 08.15.08 at 11:02 pm

ABSOLUTELY SOMEONE SHOULD BE SETTING UP A GENERIC PROWL TO ALL STATE DELEGATES, UNPLEDGED OR PLEDGED

I am only working on pledged delegates because they are being harassed to change their minds. And I wanted to start in states whose laws require pledged delegates to follow their candidates into convention because anyone who coerces a person to break the law needs to be stopped.

CA, Nancy Pelosi’s home state is confirmed, and gearing up to go!

jbjd 08.15.08 at 11:25 pm

REMEMBER NOVEMBER

Yes; send emails to me so I can set up a folder for CA. I will have the letter ready to go out as soon as I get your email addresses. And does anyone in CA know of any additional stories of delegate harassment? I only have one example. (I also use examples from other states, though; it would be shortsighted to assume the types of harassment out there occur in only one state.)

Still trying to reach the delegates before they head out for Denver.

jbjd 08.16.08 at 12:52 am

COPIES OF THE AG LETTERS NEED TO GO TO ALL STATE DELEGATES WHO AT THIS POINT MIGHT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT’S GOING ON AND WHO NEED TO KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON BEFORE THEY LEAVE FOR DENVER

Re-read my earlier comments today about Ed Rendell’s statement on t.v. The interviewer asked whether HRC winning was now possible. ‘Delegates can vote for anyone they want. The last time they were pledged was back in 1980 at the Carter Kennedy convention.’

State delegates can be reached by snail mail. It would be great if we could get these letters out tomorrow.

On the 16th, I posted the epiphany that Obama and the DNC are rigging the nomination.

jbjd 08.16.08 at 1:16 pm

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK I FIGURED OUT HOW BO AND THE DNC ARE RIGGING THE NOMINATION

I posted yesterday that I saw Ed Rendell on Neil Cavuto, rejecting NC’s proposition that HRC could still win if enough delegates changed their minds, with this statement: ‘That’s not going to happen; delegates can vote for anyone they want and they will vote for BO. We haven’t had a robot rule since the 1980 Kennedy Carter convention.’ After seeing this on t.v., I began posting here to remind you PUMAs that some states require, by law, that “pledged” delegates must vote for their candidate at least through the first round of voting at the convention. I warned you the DNC was engaging in a campaign of misinformation aimed at state delegates, who may or may not know what is the law in their states, to get them to think voting for HRC would be useless. I urged you to get word to state delegates, hold your vote.

Today, I started thinking, what if “robot rule” was actually a term of art? So, I looked it up. And, sure enough, it is.
http://cassandra2004.blogspot.com/2008/02/open-convention-ted-kennedy-1980-dnc.html

And then it hit me. BO is spending this week spreading misinformation to get state delegates – not the supers – to change their votes. We have to try to stop him. Normally, this ’shepherding’ of delegates is done by the candidate; BO has been in touch with delegates in each state. But HRC cannot do this now. So we have to.

This needs to be a prowl.

On August 17, I ‘blew the whistle’ on the true nature of “pledged” delegates and the Democratic Party.

jbjd on 08.17.08 at 5:49 pm

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMENT I HAVE EVER WRITTEN OR WILL EVER WRITE ON THIS BLOG… PLEASE REFER OTHERS TO THIS COMMENT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, IN SUBSEQUENT COMMENTS… I AM BUSY WRITING YOUR STATE-SPECIFIC LETTERS TO THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL, TO BE COPIED TO OUR DEAR STATE DELEGATES PLEDGED TO HRC, TO LET THEM KNOW, WE HAVE THEIR BACKS…

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DECONSTRUCTING DEMOCRACY AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

My Dear Fellow PUMAs,

If you are going crazy trying to figure out what’s happening with the Democratic Party, join the club. I’m not kidding. Join the club. Because it just hit me, the way to understand this Democratic nominating process is to think of The Democratic Party as what it is – a club. And the only thing that makes this club so special is that it was able to get permission from each of the 50 states to collect campaign contributions and put the names of the candidates it wants to hold office onto the state’s election ballot. That’s it. That’s all there is. Let me explain.

According to Party – or rather, club rules, presidential candidates are chosen at the club’s nominating convention. Afterward, the club submits the name of its candidate for POTUS to the appropriate state official in each state – usually the Secretary of State – as part of an application to get onto the state’s general election ballot, in compliance with that state’s laws. In fact, states only allow the candidate for POTUS chosen by a “major political party” to submit ballot papers so late in the game because club rules and by-laws require their candidates to be chosen at a “nominating convention.”

The club determines who will be its candidate for POTUS on the general election ballot through a vote at the convention by people it calls “delegates,” which delegates obtained that status through an allocation process set by the club. That is, the club places the names of its proposed candidates on state ballots in the primary and caucus elections and then, in exchange for receiving a specific number of votes in that process, the candidates are assigned a delegate to vote for them at the convention. Most state delegates are given a special status, called “pledged.” According to club rules, when these pledged delegates cast their votes at the convention, they should use their best judgment to represent the wishes of the voters based on whose votes they were elected. Historically, by counting these delegates pledged to each candidate, the club has usually been able to predict which of its candidates will end up with the nomination at the end of the primary and caucus process, since one candidate usually garners enough pledged delegates to surpass the number the club set as the requirement at the convention. But not this year. Neither club candidate – BO or HRC – was assigned enough delegates through the primary and caucus process to secure the nomination at the convention. Luckily, the club had in place rules whereby this deficit in delegates could be made up by special delegates commonly referred to as super delegates who get to cast their votes for either candidate at the convention.

The Democratic Party set up volumes of rules and by-laws that govern all these operations, with auspicious sounding titles like “Charter,” “Constitution,” “Model Rules to Delegate Selection Process,” and “Call to the Convention.” But here’s the thing about all these club rules: they can be changed at any time. According to club rules. So, if like me, you have read club rules and believe, as I do, that members of the club have not played fair throughout this presidential nominating process, am I saying there is nothing you can do about it? Hardly.

Remember what I said in the beginning: the state only lets the club get onto official state ballots as long as they follow state rules. And unlike club rules, when states make rules, they’re called laws. (TO BE CONTINUED…)
©jbjd

And my eventual reply to the alert about delegate harassment in KY.

jbjd on 08.18.08 at 10:22 pm

OMG…OMG…OMG…OMG…OMG…OMG…OMG…OMG…OMG

KENTUCKY IS A PLEDGED STATE! I AM ON IT… LOOK FOR IT…

And the follow-up.

jbjd on 08.19.08 at 12:55 am

caracal carrie

I am all over KY – I have the law but this letter is unique since the club actually replaced a delegate pledged to HRC with one pledged to BO, ostensibly to satisfy an affirmative action requirement in either DNC or state rules – and NH. CA, GA, IN, and OR are done. When you wake up, look for the posting.

Now I was put in touch with Ricki Lieberman, in NY, a muckity-muck in the Democratic Party everyone else seemed to know about but me. Here is how she was described on Huffington Post a few weeks earlier, in July.

Also a former Clinton “Hillraiser” (meaning she raised more than $100,000 for the campaign), Lieberman is keeping her own private hope alive with a daily email blast to supporters, entitled “Electability Watch,” which features a cascade of negative articles and other items about Obama as a means to argue that superdelegates should change their minds in Denver and crown Clinton the nominee instead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/clinton-distances-herself_n_113094.html

Ricki printed my work on vote binding states in her now-infamous newsletter, “Electability Watch.”

I was also put in touch with a reporter from the LATimes. I did my best to inspire him to write a story, describing the unlawful attempts made by agents acting for Obama to coerce delegates pledged to Clinton in vote binding states to switch their votes to him. He just wasn’t interested.

On the morning of August 21, 2008, this article on Georgia Politics Unfiltered proved, our campaign to stop pledged delegate harassment had worked in GA. (Perhaps not coincidentally, GA was the only state in which I had been able to recruit a team of volunteers to carry out all of the steps of the project, including sending a copy of the AG’s letter to the delegates along with a note saying, “We have your back.”)

Thursday, August 21, 2008

Attorney General Tells GA Delegates They Can’t Switch Their Vote At The Convention

I’ve confirmed with two members of the state’s Democratic National Convention delegation that Attorney General Thurbert Baker sent them a letter informing them that they could not switch their vote to another presidential candidate if they are a pledged delegate to someone else.

Two delegates pledged to New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Shannon Marietta of Dougherty County and Cheryl Williams of Gwinnett County, both said they received a letter from the Attorney General stating that they could not switch their vote until Sen. Clinton released them or she received less than 35% of the vote during the roll call vote.

The Attorney General’s letter cites an relatively unknown section of Georgia’s presidential preference primary law that states Any person selected as a delegate or delegate alternate to such national convention shall file a qualification oath with the Secretary of State pledging support at the convention to the candidate of their political party or body for the office of President of the United States for whom they are selected to support. The oath shall state that the delegate or delegate alternate affirms to support such candidate until the candidate is either nominated by such convention or receives less than 35 percent of the votes for nomination by such convention during any balloting, or until the candidate releases the delegates from such pledge. No delegate shall be required to vote for such candidate after two convention nominating ballots have been completed. [Source: Official Code of Georgia Annotated 21-2-196]

Both Clinton delegates said they planned on voting for New York’s junior Senator on the first ballot anyway.

I’m currently working on getting a copy of the letter.

http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2008/08/attorney-general-tells-ga-delegates.html

Ricki also contacted Alegre’s Corner, another PUMA blog, to post the work on her site, and recruit citizens from these states to download their state letters and send to the identified recipients. That night, Alegre’s Corner had joined the vote binding state campaign.

http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/diary/717/

By August 23, everyone is listening.

jbjd on 08.23.08 at 11:37 am

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

Howard Wolfson, staunch HRC supporter and formerly with her campaign, has been a pundit for FOX since some time after HRC suspended her campaign. He just announced (remote) to Cavuto, some states have laws that require delegates to vote for HRC.
Cavuto: ‘You mean even if HRC releases her delegates, they still have to vote for her?’
Wolfson: ‘Yes.’

WOW! WOW! WOW! As most of you know, finding these laws and getting out the word is what I have been working on! Isn’t this great news?

The next day, August 24, the day before the opening day of the convention, CNN, HuffingtonPost, FOXNews, and NYDailyNews, among others, attributing different sources, announced for the first time that Clinton would release her delegates at a luncheon on Wednesday afternoon, before the first open call of the roll of all delegates from all states on the floor of the convention. They also announced the DNC had lifted all sanctions against FL and MI – Clinton won both states, neither one of which is a vote binding state – giving them full votes at the convention.

Still left intact since its announcement 10 days earlier, on August 14th, was the plan to hold an open roll call vote of all delegates from all states on the floor of the convention.

But would that plan still be in place at the start of the convention?

(Next: Part 3: The Coup at the Convention)

  • Dario

    I followed that story when it was happening.  It was truly disgusting. PUMA!

  • Crackerjack -Obamastahn Rebel Resistance

    tryanny….the government of Islam.  Obama is a a good muslim.  He will make sure we submit under Allah’s rule.    as for myself.  I have a few shells left for my shotgon and some hollow poin 38′s   I’m gonna go down fireing both.  I will not live in this kind of world and guess what.  some of you who support this tryrant aren’t going to be around much longer either

  • Texas Playwright

    This travesty churns my stomach even today.  We the People must take back our country or be doomed to serfdom.

  • jbjd

    Dario, the ‘story’ is different from what we thought we were watching.  Ten (10) days before the convention, an open roll call vote from the floor was a done deal.  Yes, we recall that at some point that deal was revoked; but when?  And why?  I am not using the word “coup” euphimistically, just to characterize DNC manipulation of their rules.  A coup involves illegal conduct.  I am saying, the rules are being manipulated not just to secure an Obama win but so as to avoid state vote binding laws!

  • Keebler Katmoon-Multigrain

    jbjd, I missed your first installment, when was it posted? I am amazed at the amount of work and heart you have put into this, thank you so much. Now I have to calm down, because reading this, just put me right back in time, when this was happening. >:o  If I hadn’t watched it unfold, I would think it was fiction, surreal at the very least. Fantastic job jbjd!

  • jbjd

    Texas Playwright, I have printed volumes on my blog about Texas. (Do a search on the blog.) Your laws, laws which have been broken, are particularly powerful to redress the criminal election fraud that occurred in your state.  1.  The Chair of the state party can be treated as a public official.  2.  The Open Records Law applies to the Chair.  3.  The Chair is the only person who signed BO’s Certification of Nomination swearing he was qualified to appear on the ballot.  4.  Candidates whose names appear on the ballot must be qualified for the job.

  • jbjd

    Texas Playwright, I have printed volumes on my blog about Texas. (Do a search on the blog.) Your laws, laws which have been broken, are particularly powerful to redress the criminal election fraud that occurred in your state.  1.  The Chair of the state party can be treated as a public official.  2.  The Open Records Law applies to the Chair.  3.  The Chair is the only person who signed BO’s Certification of Nomination swearing he was qualified to appear on the ballot.  4.  Candidates whose names appear on the ballot must be qualified for the job.

    If you want to take the country back, start with Texas and AG Greg Abbott.  If you cannot figure out how to get your current public officials to enforce existing laws, you signal your impotence to anyone who wants to take advantage of you, again.

  • jbjd

    KKM, thank you; and sorry this is upsetting.  Rather, I find it empowering.  Now, I can honestly say, no one put anything over on us.  We know precisely how our electoral process was stolen.  Emotion aside, we can walk you step by step through the fraud. 

    Anyone from these 13 vote binding states ought to be camping out at the AG’s office right about now…  To say nothing of those states in which the D’s committed election fraud viz a viz lying to get BO’s name on the ballot, because only qualified candidates are allowed on the ballot, by law.

  • jbjd

    ADMINISTRATOR, CAN WE PLEASE CLEAN UP THE SLOP IN THIS AISLE?  THANK YOU.

  • SYD

    I agree. If I had not watched this as it was going down, I’d think it was fiction.

    My jaw still hits the floor when I realize the extreme measures taken to deliver the Democratic nomination to a man with no experience, no principle, and only a few decent speeches to show for his years as a “community organizer.”

    The United States has been so cheated. There is no “getting over it.”

  • jbjd

    ADMINISTRATOR, CAN WE PLEASE CLEAN UP THE SLOP IN THIS AISLE?  THANK YOU.

  • jbjd

    SYD, did you realize there was a correlation between the ‘outing’ of state laws regarding delegates pledged in a political party primary; and the decision to rescind the decision to hold an open roll call vote at the convention?  Because back then, as you will see from Part 3, even high profile pledged delegates from vote binding states seemed unfamiliar with their state’s vote binding laws. 

  • Janis

    It still boggles the hell out of me that the Dems that pulled this garbage expected everyone to STFU and “get over it.”

    Yeah, like PAtrick Henry “got over it.”

    Get over it.  Jesus Christ, the only power I have in this nation was ripped out of my hands illegally, and I’m supposed to GET OVER IT.

    Not in a million years.  I want them down.  I want them in flames, humiliated, compeltely ground into the dirt, until they vomit from fear and skitter under their bedcovers shaking at the merest idea of pulling this shit again.  I want them crushed and destroyed.

  • jbjd

    Janis, I cannot promise that the D’s will be “crushed and destroyed”; but I can assure you, they will be completely exposed.  No more just decrying their ‘dirty tricks,’ not all of which we could even enunciate.  No; once the last installment of the ‘Coup Trilogy’ is published, you will have the blueprint as to how the D’s both 1) broke laws to make BO the Presidential nominee; and 2) broke laws to get his name printed on the ballot.  No histrionics; no hyperbole; no hand wringing.  Just the facts fit neatly into the legal citations. 

  • jbjd

    “I want them down.  I want them in flames,”

    I want them in prison.

  • arabella trefoil

    jbjd – Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your hard work. Thank you too for reminding us of what is important, what is at stake, and how we can seek redress.

    You deserve a Pulitzer.

  • jbjd

    at, you are welcome.  I could not help myself.  I kept thinking, if I cannot figure out how and why this is happening then, others are similarly in the dark.  It took a lot of politicians, lawyers, and bankers to steal the Oval Office.  And those who knew weren’t talking, because of affiliations with the political party.  Well, I am unaffiliated.  I can not only think for myself but also blow the whistle!  (Know what’s funny?  Turns out, Pulitzer now has a category for blogs!)  (I am holding out for a MacArthur genius award!)

  • arabella trefoil

    Go for it! You’ve earned it.

  • Sandi78

    Regardless of what happens in the future, this changed forever my view of political parties, the Democratic Party in particular. My California vote for HRC was not counted in that excuse of a Roll-Call Vote. This travesty put me into a clinical depression, ruined my business and I am only now, slowly, beginning to come out of this long funk. There is no punishment too great for the people involved in this. I became a citizen for one reason, so that I could vote. They took that away.

    Thank you from the bottom of my heart for the massive amount of work you have put into this. It opens old wounds to read it again, but we have to make sure that it never happens again.

  • jbjd

    Sandi78, I hear you.  I am certain these events disrupted the lives of countless others, too.  Like TX is to the ballot fraud, CA is to the vote binding fraud.  The state is prominently featured in Part 3.  (Hint:  “My California vote for HRC was not counted in that excuse of a Roll-Call Vote.”  Which vote?  Why?) 

  • Kathleen Wynne

    jbjd,

    Please accept my sincere thanks too for putting together the road map showing the corruption perpeatrated by the DNC in favor of obama!  I will purchase a copy of your “Coup Trilogy” as soon as it’s published.  I wish to make it known to all my colleagues in the election reform community.  Sadly, so many of them wanted obama to win and, subsequently, have turned their backs on investigating and even accepting any information exposing the criminal behavior that went on to make certain obama got the nomination by his campaign in collusion with the DNC and the MSM.

    I have written in vain to the election community requesting that they put “integrity” back into election integrity by not continuing to ignore the truth about how obama “won” the nomination to no avail.  Your work will help me make the case to them in a major way.

    I want to show the election reform community that election integrity begins with we, the people, being willing to call out corruption and fraud, even when it involves the candidate of our choice.  Otherwise, we are part of the problem, not the solution.

    Also, I think we should help you find ways to use your chronology of events to remind the American people, in general, that we cannot and will not take back our country until we take back our elections and stop party leaders from corrupting the process and that the 2008 primary is not the only election which was stolen from the American people by the party leaders.  THis kind of election shenaigans has been going on for decades. 

    We are paying a terrible price for letting the DNC get away with this without a fight.  I hope your work, combined with the documentary “WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED” will finally wake the American people to the truth about what really goes on behind the scenes in our elections.

  • EllenD

    jbjd, I’m working so I’m saving this wonderful work of yours for lunch or after work.

    But something jumped out at me when I scrolled through-

    At the risk of being labelled a tin hat bigot, I have  read the polls that say 25% of people today think Obama is a Muslim.
    Of course. That’s a reasonable assumption because:
    His father was a Muslim.
    His stepfather was a Muslim.
    He attended a mosque when he was a kid and was registered at school in Indonesia as a Muslim.
    He had Nation of Islam bodyguards before he qualified for Secret Service.
    And he now seems to be supporting the Ground Zero mosque.

    But now you are posting letters where the spokesman for Obama for America in 2008 had a first name of KHALIL?

    I’m flabbergasted.

  • jbjd

    KW, please, every time the work I produce is mentioned in conjunction with the movie, “We Will Not Be Silenced,” I cringe.  My work is about breaking laws.  The movie is about hurt feelings.  Nothing that happened in the Texas caucus affected the final outcome of the nomination.  Nothing.  The popular vote was so close, even if pledged delegates had been allocated fairly through both primary and caucus contests in Texas, the final tally would not have been that much different.  AND NEITHER CANDIDATE ENDED UP WITH ENOUGH PLEDGED DELEGATES TO CLINCH THE NOMINATION, ANYWAY! 

    You say, “we cannot and will not take back our country until we take back our elections and stop party leaders from corrupting the process…”  I absolutely disgree.  We are responsible for our own ignorance about how our electoral system works, and how to fix it when it doesn’t.  We can focus on enforcing the laws that were broken; but we have not. 

    As for the “We Will Not Be Silenced” crew, well, where were they during the TDP state convention in June, when the D’s decided to keep the Texas two-step in 2012?  Busy being interviewed on FOX?  The newspapers called this a “victory” for Obama.  http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/texas-democratic-party/democrats-keep-controversial-texas-two-step/

    In sum, even assuming D’s for Clinton were as well organized as D’s for Obama in the Texas caucus, Clinton still would not have amassed enough pledged delegates to ensure the nomination.  And TX is not a vote binding state, meaning, all of those delegates pledged to her could change their minds at the convention, and still not have broken any laws!

  • Samb

    May 12, 2008OP-ED CONTRIBUTORPresident Apostate?By EDWARD N. LUTTWAK
    Chevy Chase, Md.
    BARACK OBAMA has emerged as a classic example of charismatic leadership — a figure upon whom others project their own hopes and desires. The resulting emotional intensity adds greatly to the more conventional strengths of the well-organized Obama campaign, and it has certainly sufficed to overcome the formidable initial advantages of Senator Hillary Clinton.
    One danger of such charisma, however, is that it can evoke unrealistic hopes of what a candidate could actually accomplish in office regardless of his own personal abilities. Case in point is the oft-made claim that an Obama presidency would be welcomed by the Muslim world.
    This idea often goes hand in hand with the altogether more plausible argument that Mr. Obama’s election would raise America’s esteem in Africa — indeed, he already arouses much enthusiasm in his father’s native Kenya and to a degree elsewhere on the continent.
    But it is a mistake to conflate his African identity with his Muslim heritage. Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.
    As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

    continued below

  • EllenD

    Sandi, you are my twin. California and all the rest. We became citizens because we thought the system was fair. What a disappointment.
    Best of luck for your business.

  • Samb

    Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.
    His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
    With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)
    It is true that the criminal codes in most Muslim countries do not mandate execution for apostasy (although a law doing exactly that is pending before Iran’s Parliament and in two Malaysian states). But as a practical matter, in very few Islamic countries do the governments have sufficient authority to resist demands for the punishment of apostates at the hands of religious authorities.
    For example, in Iran in 1994 the intervention of Pope John Paul II and others won a Christian convert a last-minute reprieve, but the man was abducted and killed shortly after his release. Likewise, in 2006 in Afghanistan, a Christian convert had to be declared insane to prevent his execution, and he was still forced to flee to Italy.
    Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
    At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards. More broadly, most citizens of the Islamic world would be horrified by the fact of Senator Obama’s conversion to Christianity once it became widely known — as it would, no doubt, should he win the White House. This would compromise the ability of governments in Muslim nations to cooperate with the United States in the fight against terrorism, as well as American efforts to export democracy and human rights abroad.
    That an Obama presidency would cause such complications in our dealings with the Islamic world is not likely to be a major factor with American voters, and the implication is not that it should be. But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic.
    Edward N. Luttwak, a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, is the author of “Strategy: The Logic of War and Peace.”

  • jbjd

    Samb, you have absolutely no idea of Obama’s background.  And that is the point.  If none of us knows anything about him because no documentation exists in the public domain; then how did any of those D’s who Certified his Nomination to state election officials ascertain beforehand he was Constitutionally qualified for the job?  That is the operative question. 

  • Samb

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html

    Obama Poll -1-in for believe Obama is a Muslim

  • jbjd

    This paragraph was in the Introduction to A COUP, THROUGH and THROUGH (1 o 3):

    Keep in mind, not all fraud is created equal. While the record establishes the D’s committed fraud throughout the general election cycle, my work has remained focused almost exclusively only on that fraudulent conduct which both 1) violated laws explicitly or implicitly proscribing such conduct; and 2) arguably altered the outcome of the 2008 Presidential (Electors) election.

    If you learned nothing else about the details of my work, at least remember this.  By equating caucus fraud, that is, misbehaving at an internal club event; with breaking laws enacted by all citizens of the state, R, D, I, and unaffiliated; this demonstrates to those who would use their superior knowledge of our electoral process to steal our power, they have nothing to fear from us, still.

  • Tricia

    This is such an amazing series.  Upsetting, but done to perfection.  Thank you so much for putting it all together!!!!!  I await Part 3.

  • bamaLV

    maybe us hillary supporters could have gotten over it if obama turned out to be a good president.  unfortunatley he has NOT. quite the opposite in fact.  everytime he screws up , which is often, i always think “what would hillary have done?” the only “historical legacy” obama will leave behind will be as the president who brought down america.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    However, a point would be that Obama’s supposed Christianity comes from Rev. Wright’s black theology (insert: muslim teachings based) church!

    Are Rev. Wright’s followers truly christian?

    At any rate, Obama is an enigma.  Purposely shadowed and nuanced in order to obfuscate the truth, he appears to be neither a friend of America or Americans.

  • Samb

    I may not be the scholar that you are, but I don’t need to have his bullshit jammed down my throat and as for his back ground, I learned early on who Obama was. He is not qualified to be president birth right or not.
    The day i saw the DNC give Hillary Clintons votes away to a man
    who didn’t earn then, I knew the fix was in.

    Don’t use that condescending tone with me. 

    Knowledge is important and yes that also means what you have to say
    as well.

  • Samb

    I may not be the scholar that you are, but I don’t need to have his bullshit jammed down my throat and as for his back ground, I learned early on who Obama was. He is not qualified to be president birth right or not. 
    The day i saw the DNC give Hillary Clintons votes away to a man 
    who didn’t earn then, I knew the fix was in. 
     
    Don’t use that condescending tone with me.  
     
    Knowledge is important and yes that also means
    what you have to say as well.

  • bamaLV

    since obama wrote in his book “if the political winds shift in an ugly direction, i will stand with the muslims”, do we need any more proof of where his true loyalities lie?

  • jbjd

    Tricia, thank you.  Part 3 puts it all together.  (The fraud at the convention for which the groundwork was laid in Parts 1 and 2.)  

    I think a lot of people never figured out what was being done because they minimized the role played by state laws and concentrated on the conduct that produced visceral responses, only.  Let’s face it, as you can see from the comments posted on blogs, I had alerted several people to the issue of pledged delegates from vote binding states, but they never ‘ran’ with it.  Then, several days after I began putting the work out there, a total stranger, Ricki Lieberman, seeing my work, immediately appreciated its value and spread the word.  But by then, it was only a few days before the convention.

  • Samb

    Samb 
     
    I may not be the scholar that you are, but I don’t need to have his bullshit jammed down my throat and as for his back ground, I learned early on who Obama was. He is not qualified to be president birth right or not.   
    The day i saw the DNC give Hillary Clintons votes away to a man   
    who didn’t earn them, I knew the fix was in.   
       
    Don’t use that condescending tone with me.    
       
    Knowledge is important and yes that also means  
    what you have to say as well.

  • Samb


       
    I may not be the scholar that you are, but I don’t need to have his bullshit jammed down my throat and as for his back ground, I learned early on who Obama was. He is not qualified to be president birth right or not.     
    The day i saw the DNC give Hillary Clintons votes away to a man     
    who didn’t earn them, I knew the fix was in.     
         
    Don’t use that condescending tone with me.      
         
    Knowledge is important and yes that also means    
    what you have to say as well.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    jbjd,

    I think you protest too much!  I disagree that what you write has nothing to do with “We Will Not Be Silenced”.  They are different sides of the same coin, like it or not.  You do not write about the events of the primary in a vacuum.  Moreover, what I have learned in trying to wake up the people regarding eleciton reform is that they are less likely to ”read” about an event until they are emotionally involved with the subject, which is more likely ignited by “video”.  We cannot raise public awareness about these issues and erradicate the ignoriance until we find a way to communicate effectively the facts about this issue.  If you don’t take that into consideration, you’re work will not make the difference it could have.  Ignorance of recognizing that all of our respective work in uncovering the truth must recognize that we are more powerful and effective when we work together rather than seperately. 

    Many of us in the election reform community have written the same kind of  comprehensive reports on election issues as you are here, and we have not made the progress we had originally hoped we would.  Again, this is primarily because the majority of people do not have the time to read and assimilate complex reports.  It’s intimidating and overwhelming. 

    I also disagree with you that “We Will Not Be Silenced” is all about “hurt feelings”.  If you think that, then you don’t understand or have as much knowledge about the election process as you should. 

    Have you read Dr. Long’s report about the huge discrepancies in the Texas caucus results as opposed to the Texas primary results between Hillary and Obama.  She said the numbers were totally impossible.  According to Dr. Long, Hillary DID WIN TEXAS.  So, ignorance of the extensive work done in election issues is no excuse for not seeing what you are writing about is not tied to that.

  • Becky

    jbjd,  thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the work you have done in putting this together.  I want to print it out and send it to all my family members who wouldn’t listen, hadn’t a clue (they are life-long Democrats too) and only sent me emails about John McCain’s short fuse and how he wasn’t fit for the Presidency.  The only problem with my desire to print and send is this ~ they weren’t on the ground, on the front lines like so many of us.  Their willingness to read all of this 2 years later and understand it, well, I have my doubts.  Unless it can be understood in 3 paragraphs, fahgetaboutit.   It needs to be put into a Dick and Jane style reader for the American public to understand this.  just sayin’.
    but thank you thank you thank you.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I think the Texas cacus fraud was abt more than “hurt feelings.”  The levels of intimidation to Hillary caucus workers, as well as the level of downright fraud with the ballots themselves, are cause for concern.

    Actually, the “We Will Not Be Silenced” people got the documentary out quickly.  It is only NOW that outlets are picking up on it.  It wasn’t for a lack of their trying to get the news into the MSM.  The MSM was not interested in what they had to say, not unlike much of the contest between Barack and Hillary.

    I understand the distinction you are making, jbjd, especially regarding laws being broken in 13 states.  But the levels of caucus fraud, not just in TX, DID make a difference (and the swing by which Obama “won” the TX caucus was statistically impossible, according to Dr. Lynette Long).  Hillary did win the popular vote, and had there not been fraud in the caucuses, likely would have won that, too.  It does make a difference in the big picture, though l understand that is not your focus.

  • jbjd

    KW, Dr. Long’s brilliant statistical analysis only dissects practices like the voter/delegate allocation MADE BY THE D PARTY!  That is, a political party rigged votes/delegates in such a way that it took less votes to ‘earn’ a delegate in the caucus than in the primary.  But this is an internal club mechanism to pick the club nominee.  No state or federal laws are implicated.  (Except insofar as the TDP did not receive prior court approval for its allocation under the Voting Rights Act.  That’s what the LULAC suit I keep mentioning is all about.)  D’s voting in caucuses knew the system was flawed going in.  Their club; why didn’t they change the rules?

    What part about neither candidate won or lost the nomination on the basis of votes in the Texas primary and caucus contests am I not making clear? 

    As for charging that because I disagree with your analysis of the 2008 electoral cycle this means, I am ignorant of either the electoral process or of the work of others in relation to the 2008 election cycle; well, I will let your statements speak for themselves.

  • Sandi78

    jbjd, my precint voted for Hillary. My city voted for Hillary. My State voted for Hillary. During the Roll-Call “vote”, no votes from California were counted. We are one of the States where delegates are required by State law to vote as they were pledged in the first ballot. They couldn’t let California’s votes go to Hillary publicly, or all those other States might have developed backbones.

  • jbjd

    bamaLV, but we should not get over it, regardless.  Laws were broken; and the lawbreakers have escaped punishment.  So, why would they not do this again?  BTW, R’s filed those citizen complaints of election fraud against various D’s (who signed those Certifications of Nomination) with their state A’sG, some of whom – GREG ABBOTT – are also R’s. 

  • Michelle

    jbjd-the MacArthur genius award would be appropriate for you, I’m sorry I hadn’t thought of that one, I have many others in mind.
     (I am holding out for a MacArthur genius award!)
    “show exceptional merit and promise for continued and enhanced creative work.” It would be for your tireless work in educating all of us into the inner workings of our governmental processes, and how they can be weakened and used in a criminal way which was never an intent of our Constitutional Republic.  We are so grateful for your hard work, education and perseverance.

  • Mr. Natural

    I’ll settle for my “Second Amendment Remedies.”

    If it was good enough for B-1 Bob Dornan to propose, then, “Lock and Load,” is my First and Second Amendment right.

  • Michelle

    Sandi78, just wanted you to know that you were not the only one who became clinically depressed, I think a lot of people did, not knowing what it was at the time. I went into shock Aug 08 due to Phil Berg where I first found out about this-stayed that way for a month, I’m so glad I found jbjd. When it comes time to rebuild our country, Lord make it soon, you will become reinvigorated very fast. Take care.

  • jbjd

    R3A, the movie is not getting so much notoriety as are Gloria Allred and the TN pledged delegate because of the vote binding state issue that has now been appeneded/conflated with the WWNBS people.  (Wonder how that marriage came about?)  Who cares whether Hillary won the popular vote?  The club does not award the nomination based on popular vote but on total number of pledged delegates and, if necessary, super delegates. 

    I know the only numbers that count:  neither candidate had enough delegates going in to the convention to guarantee the nomination. 

    Given that the people involved with the movie failed to take any affirmative steps with the party to halt the caucus process they apparently decry; I can only hope that, in 2012, if caucus goers are similarly victimized, that this timer, they call the police and file criminal charges against their attackers.

  • Sandi78

    EllenD and Michelle, thanks for your good thoughts.

  • jbjd

    R3A, the movie is not getting so much notoriety as are Gloria Allred and the TN pledged delegate because of the vote binding state issue that has now been appeneded/conflated with the WWNBS people.  (Wonder how that marriage came about?)  Who cares whether Hillary won the popular vote?  The club does not award the nomination based on popular vote but on total number of pledged delegates and, if necessary, super delegates.   
     
    I know the only numbers that count:  neither candidate had enough delegates going in to the convention to guarantee the nomination.   
     
    Given that the people involved with the movie failed to take any affirmative steps with the party to halt the caucus process they apparently decry; I can only hope that, in 2012, if caucus goers are similarly victimized, that this time, they call the police and file criminal charges against their attackers.

  • texasdemocrat

    As number 30 of the original 300 I can attest to the nightmare of confusion trying to get the petition signed, notarized and returned to be collected.  I called five states, calling only HRC Delegates, most of them were afraid to sign, because they did not understand the rules and they all thought they should check with their Chairs before signing the petitions.   Naturally, the Chairs were telling them there was no “need’ of the petition because “of course HRC would be on the ballot in Denver”.   These delegates had to decide who to believe?  A Texan they did not know or their Own Party Chaiman.

    Some of them were afraid, it was their first time at a National Convention (mine too)  and they did not want to make waves.  I am proud to say that TEXAS got the maximum signatures a state is allowed (50) first.  And Texas held all Delegates for Hillary at the Convention.  We even gained 2,  
    We expected to vote on the Convention floor, but we voted in the hotels.  We were told the Roll Call would start at 4pm, it started at 3pm!.  You can hear some of us screaming NOOOOOO when Hillary took the mike to give away NY.  None of it made sense, we were being bull shitted right and left.  
    I refused to attend the coronation at the stadium, and I voted Straight Ticket Republican for the FIRST TIME in my life.  It started for me on MAY 31st,2008 and I’ll never look at my party with the same eyes again.  The DNC is as arrogant and power hungry as any Republican ever was.  
    PUMA!   TEXAS!  30/300 

  • jbjd

    Becky, you are absolutely right.  That will come after the end of this series.  Because I have done extensive work on the other part of the coup, which is the election fraud viz a viz the ballots in states with candidate eligibility laws.  I just needed to spell out this piece, in detail, before summing it up.

    And you are welcome!

  • jbjd

    Michelle, as I said upthread, I had no choice.  I hate bullies; and just because they knew more about our electoral system than the rest of us did not justify installing BO into the Presidency by breaking laws.  That said, once we KNOW what they did, how do we explain, we are still organizing marches to Washington but not to our state capitals to turn them in and make sure they are prosecuted for their crimes?

  • jbjd

    “We expected to vote on the Convention floor, but we voted in the hotels.”

    BINGO.  Can you guess why?

    Remember, Part 2 gets us to the convention.  Nothing in the press says anything about hotel voting, right?

  • jbjd

    Sandi78, wait for Part 3.  I am all over CA.  And the public part of the voting is only one aspect of the hidden vote.  But there is another, more sinister reason for the secret voting…

  • jbjd

    ADMINISTRATOR, CLEAN UP THIS MESS, PLEASE. 

  • texasdemocrat

    No, we expected to vote on the floor, like every other convention had done.  In the Texas delegation we were told we would vote in our hotel.  The HRC delegates got angry and said we wanted a monitor of those ballots the whole day long.  Our State Chair (grrrrrrrrr) got all pissy about it, but had to agree.  
    By the way, I get so upset when I think about this time that I forgot to say THANK YOU for these articles and for all your work back then and NOW, this has to be recorded for History.
    Thank you,
    Shirley Luther
    TEXAS!
    30/300

  • My Site (click to edit)

    jbjd:  Great job.  You must have done a ton of research.  Now that both parties are shown to be corrupt, WE NEED A NEW PARTY!!

    There must be ways the people can take charge and prevent these corrupt polls from stealing our country.

  • jbjd

    texasdemocrat, rest assured, Part 3 also features Boyd Richie!  I also mention another one of those 300, quoted in the press.  (Like you, she wore her numbered button, too.) Have you downloaded a citizen complaint of election fraud against Boyd Richie (in the sidebar of my blog), which citizens of TX are sending to AG Abbott?  I have done a ton of work on Texas. 

    And you are welcome.

  • jbjd

    My Site, the narrative is in my head.  Then, I go back to look for the cites.  For example, I remember realizing that vote binding states are the key, and reading the comment on Heidi Li’s blog, etc.  I recall I heard nothing in the press BEFORE THE CONVENTION about hotel voting but, let me tell you, if I had found anything now in my research, about hotel voting, this would have blown my theory about the connection between hotel voting and the publicity I was generating over vote binding states!

  • jbjd

    “There must be ways the people can take charge and prevent these corrupt polls from stealing our country.”

    Enforce existing laws and where none exist, enact them.

  • kinthenorthwest

    Ok this is my out to lunch theory as I call it…Not really sure if it is out to lunch anymore though…

    I think thet the Obama crew had a whole slew of crap on Edwards and Richardshon and that is how they got their support..I think they went ahead and released most of it as to not to have to repay with promised positions.

    As for Hillary, I have a feeling a deal was struck that night during the primary they both disappeared for a few hours.  I have a feeling both Obama and the Clintons probably have some Very damaging information on each other.  Just maybe Obama has what Hillary considers more damaging on her and that is why she stopped fighting for the nomination.  Remember Bill kept saying he was going to do some talking in Jan of 2009 but never did.  ?????WHY?????

    I also think that there are many many upper Dems involved in a huge fraud against Our Country, with people like Reid, Peloski and etc involved.  Just maybe a few Republicans are involved too. 

    IF the lid was ever blown off this fraud I think that there would be a need for many many special elections because of the number of people who are probably involved.

    Just my two cents…I just keep praying that the good Lord help us in our fight to regain our country before Obama and his mad men destroy it.

  • kinthenorthwest

    Great aritcle and job jbjd.

  • texasdemocrat

    jbjd: You are absolutely correct that the whole nomination was CLOSE as we went into Denver….the press acted as if HRC should QUIT, “what is wrong with her?, why doesn’t she quit, it is over!”  We had numbers showing she was 4 delegates behind going into Denver.  If the first ballot had held true and on the second people were released from their binds to their electorate, she could have won!  Remember, the news had been full of Rev. Wright at the time…how many delegates pledged to OBAMA might have changed their votes on the second ballot?

  • juan

    Thursday, August 19, 2010New York Times Reports Globe Story on Obama’s Social Security Number, Plants Lips Firmly on Obama’s Arse, THE PROOF!

    Geesh, this is getting very old!

    The New York Times just ran a piece where they attempt to cover for Obama on his social security number problem.  The piece is regarding misperceptions about Obama and his past.  The NYT mentioned the recent Globe report on Obama’s SS# and quickly planted lips on Obama’s arse.  The NYT reports the Globe story as if it was new news when in fact the “proof” was there long before Globe ran the piece.

    Feel free to contact Sheryl Gay Stolberg of the New York Slimes and demand she honestly investigate and report Obama’s social security number problem, email Stolberg here, call her at 212-556-1234.  The proof is below!

    http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-york-times-reports-globe-story-on.html

  • oowawa

    Is this him?  An Obama fundraiser, but no indication he is a Moslem.

  • jbjd

    texasdemocrat, I avoid speculation as to what would have happened had things gone differently.  Rather, I look at what happened, not just superficially but in context, and try to explain why.  Except for speculating that powerful interests were determined to make BO the nominee…  BTW, keep in mind, those 4 delegates were the four the RBC stole…  (I tend not to look at these delegate numbers because they were so fluid; state caucuses at which delegtes were named were so inconsistent, BO pledged delegates filling HRC slots, etc.)

  • jbjd

    kinthenorthwest, I cannot go there; too theoretical.  As for special elections, well, I am not sure what you mean.  I have never proposed overturning elections.

  • oowawa

    Some more from this site:

    “Khalil Thompson was a staffer for U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy on Capitol Hill. Most recently, he served for two years on the Obama for America campaign, working as a finance operative for the southern region and handled the portfolios for southern delegates at the Democratic Convention. He is a graduate of the University of Maryland and holds a B.A. in Sociology.”

  • kinthenorthwest

    I know a lot of it is theory ..thats why I call it my out to lunch mess..but Like I said not looking that out to lunch sometimes…

    Special elections…WHat happens to the Senate and House seats if those holding them are found to have committed some type of election fraud…like presidental election fraud…

    For what happened in 2008 there has to be a lot of top democrats involved. and pulling the strings..not just a few, with many of them in elected offices.

  • Samb

    Juan-

    Yes, this is getting old, but it is the fact that there
    is no justice and thats what keeps this alive.

    The average person is held accountable but
    Obama has somehow created a loop hole in the system.

    He must have large backers who support his cover up.

  • jbjd

    kinthenorthwest, oh, okay.  Nah; Boyd Richie in Texas, is a state party Chair.  Alice Germond is a DNC Services Corporation officer (Secretary).  Howard Dean is former DNC Chair.  Kathy Hensley is a former state party Treasurer… But Nancy Pelosi, well, yes, her seat might open up, resulting in a special election…

    As for Barack Obama, well, assuming the House introduces Articles of Impeachment and that the Senate prosecutes and convicts, well, the laws of succession are clear.  Welcome President Biden…

  • Janis

    I dont think he’s Muslim, and I don’t think he’s Christian.  He hasn’t got the balls to say he’s atheist.  Any of these choices would require him getting off the damn fence for once.

  • EllenD

    Thanks, Oowawa. Some days I feel like I am in the Twilight Zone. Any doses of reality are greatly appreciated.

    I started the day reading CNN.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/19/poll-one-third-of-americans-say-obama-is-christian/

    The first line is:
    A substantial and growing chunk of the country believes that President Obama, a self-described Christian, is Muslim

  • oowawa

    jbjd–I assume (perhaps wrongly) that Hillary Clinton knew all of these legal considerations concerning the 13 states of which you speak.  Why do you think she didn’t lead a charge to enforce her rights under these state laws?

  • Peggy Sue

    Outstanding work, jbjd!  My mind boggles at the time and energy this investigation and analyses clearly has demanded.  You’re doing a great service by informing people exactly how and what we lost, so that hopefully we will not lose it again.

    One thing I’m certain of: if I were to get into a legal bind, I’d want someone like you in my corner! 

    Excellent.  I’ll be looking forward to Part 3.

    And yes, hold out for that MacArthur. ;)   Thanks and take care.

  • Murray

    I honestly wonder if she really wanted to be president.  I remember thinking, “No matter who wins, they’re going to inherit an impossible job.”

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    Perhaps, but at least some folks are fiinally aware that there was documented and certified fraud in Texas during the Primaries.

    I don’t know that the makers of the documentary have not taken affirmative steps with the party.  They did go to the media in 2008 and tried to get people to look at this issue.  Beyond making a documentary, I’m not sure what other steps they could take.

    As for the popular vote, I was referring specifically to Texas, though she did nationally as well.  And, well, I care that she won the popular vote.  Does it change the outcome?  Evidently not.  But for many of us, it helped us to see the DNC for what it is, and that is no small thing.

  • texasdemocrat

    What I want to know is why did California pass on the roll call.  They had voted that morning in their hotel just like the rest of the delegations….there was no reason to pass…I hope you cover that in Part 3…Please?

  • jbjd

    oowawa, I assume she knew everything.  And I have gone back and forth several times, deciding whether to hold her accountable for not blowing the whistle.  But then, I realized, this is not about her.  Millions of people voted for Obama notwithstanding they had no idea where he came from.  Or, trusting the PAID CAMPAIGN ADVERTISING platform, “Fight the Smears,” with its image of a mock-up Certification of Live Birth, really meant something (other than that Robert Gibbs is earnng his keep as BO’s Communications Director).  In other words, she is not responsible for the average low-information voter.

    As for breaking laws, well, I have identified several laws broken in several states.  Now, it is up to the citizens of those states to enforce the law.

    (In the beginning of August 2008, right here on NQ, I announced my epiphany, if you think BO is ineligible for POTUS then the only way to keep him out of the WH if he wins the nomination; is to keep him off the ballot by filing ballot challenges.  I wonder how many did…)

  • jbjd

    PS, you are welcome.  That’s all I wanted to do, de-construct the process so that citizens could ‘take it from here.’  Yes, there is a lot to learn but, once you learn it…

    If you ever need advice, you know where to find me.

  • kinthenorthwest

    Ouch Not Biden…Hopefully he played a major role —Actually hopefully all the top Idiot democrats that are in line played enough of a role that we get someone decent if Obama got impeached..

  • jbjd

    texasdemocrat, rest assured, CA is covered in Part 3.  You will not believe how this plays out. 

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I pay no attention to what he says only what he does.  He may or may not be a Muslim.  However his sensibilities (or lack of) and preferences lean heavily toward them.  He simply does not like America except what he can take from it.

  • Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy

    I believe I said from the outset that I was clear on your focus, jbjd. 

  • Janis

    I know how you feel, Sandi — another Californian here.  I saw it happen, and I saw supposedly smart “feminist” friends of mine waffling and whimpering and doing nothing, going out of their way to push the knife in further to prove to a nonexistent potential bedpartner that they would put men first at all costs.  I lost a huge part of my life over this.  People I would have considered my staunchest friends for over a decade are people I aim never to have a thing to do with again.  I became an introvert overnight, and plan to stay that way.

  • KMFD

    Two questions:
    1. Do you have links to the statutes of the 13 states which makes trying to change how delegates vote illegal?
    and
    2. Would you be willing to post those links?
    Thank you.

  • jbjd

    KMFD, many of these are cited in the screen captures from Alegre’s Corner.  I wrote 13 letters to 13 state A’sG, citing the law in each letter.  (I believe not all letters were sent, although pledged delegates in all states were made aware of the laws in their states.)  The CA law – section 6201, I believe – is posted as a comment.

  • susiepuma-crazy cracker

    Good theory – but also remember – they (ISLAM SUCKS) are allowed to lie to us – we are infidels – so – he’s lying and his ass is covered – no worries about any ISLAM SUCKS muslim coming after the fraud -

    his ass is covered……

  • Happy

    Did Obama say in his book that he had his birth certificate?

  • Sandi78

    Janis, I, too, have become quite an introvert, but that is not who I am and I don’t like it. I will make very sure that I vote in November, though, and I will not be voting for Boxer or any other incumbent who did not support HRC per the will of the people of California. These elected reps have to learn somehow that they do, in fact, represent us and what we want, not their own desires.

  • Sandi78

    There’s a reason why they “only” stole four. It must be all they needed.

  • connie

    jbjd, Thankyou for all your work and lets hope some day our electoral votes will be counted correctly!

  • Keebler Katmoon-Multigrain

    I think, thanks to jbjd, we are finally starting to scream out our windows; We are mad as hell and we are not going to take this anymore! >:o

  • oneilma

    Thanks again, jbjd.  I can’t wait to read part 3. 

  • jbjd

    I am not sure what this means.

  • Pacific John

    I thought I heard my name!

    Here’s the key history of WWNBS: we produced the initial cut solely for DNC delegates to inform the bulk of them – from primary states – what had happened in caucus states, that the nomination was stolen from the majority. WWNBS was offered along with the minority report to the credentials committee, the thrust of which was to end caucuses, but at that moment in time, the Committee was more than tone deaf. We had secure online distribution to members of congress, and their top staff via a profressional lobbying service, and to HRC delegates (with some duplication) via a list that we intercepted. Our hit volume crashed our site for a time, but we had probably 8000 quality hits before we went to Youtube a couple of days before the convention, iirc. Our 18 hour days were over and done by early the week of the convention, but we did film delegates who testified that HRC people were screamed at and threatened with thier jobs is they did not switch, as well as all the other tricks we saw in caucus states. Denver was just the final, biggest, caucus.

  • AllMyPumas

    Great work, very important.  But jbjd, you need to breathe and stop being so defensive.  Here you are among allies.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    Pacific John,

    I wanted to take this opportunity to tell you how much I appreciated the work you and others did during the primary, as it relates to the rampant caucus fraud.

    The compilation of what the election workers and citizens dealt with during this process is an invaluable piece of evidence of what really went down I predict will be key in our ever achieving real election reform.  I, myself, captured video of my caucus here in Texas and even got a couple of interviews of a Hillary delegate and election official stating pretty much the same experiences as expressed by those captured in “We Will Not Be Silenced.” 

    My thanks to you and all involved with this excellent project.

  • EllenD

    You’re right, Annie.
    Actions speak louder than words, just words.

  • EllenD

    You’re right, Katmoon. Jbjd is our anchor. She keeps us grounded.
    Thanks, jbjd.

  • Kathleen Wynne

    jbjd,

    Since I have been involved with election reform for over 7 years now, I can assure you that the caucus fraud is absolutely relevant.

    What we discovered in our investigative work these past 7 years is that there are already laws on the books that should help prevent such behavior during the elections process, but the laws are simply not being enforced.  Literally 100′s of election reform advocates have tried and failed to get the judicial system to do their jobs when we present them with irrefutable evidence that election laws have been violated and should be prosecuted.

    However, the problem is not so much “ignorance” but “corruption” of the entire system, from the legislature to the judiciary.  A good example of judicial misconduct was shown back in 2006 when the videotaped evidence I presented to the county prosecutor clearly showing election officials stating that they counted the votes in private prior to the 2004 Presidential Recount in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, which was a clear violation of Ohio election law. 

    Here’s an article I wrote about the trial and its outcome and the questions that arose as a result of this case coming to trial:

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_kathleen_070130_the_story_behind_the.htm

    However, even though the women were convicted, they were later held not accountable by a questionable judge brought in several months after the convictions and basically let them off the hook due to some irrelevant legal issue, which had nothing to do with the evidence or the subsequent conviction.  These women were set free without ever having to serve time for violating the law.

    The judge who set them free, without ever reading about the case and who, herself, was under a cloud of a number of  questionable decisions was being investigated. 

  • EllenD

    Pacific John, I remember you back in 2008. I appreciated you then and I appreciate you now.

  • Breeze

    -

    jbjd,

    thank you for all your hard work!!!

    If you don’t know about the following info, I hope you can use it.

    -  
     
    I just saw this comment following an AP article ‘doing damage control re Obama  
    being a Muslim’:  
     

    “Well, someone figured out why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court….  
     
    Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama.  
     
    She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship.  
     
    He owes her big time.  
     
    All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard.  
     
    It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn’t it?  
     
    The American people mean nothing any longer.  
     
    It’s all about payback time for those that compromised themselves to elect someone that really has no true right to even be there. We should be getting so sick of all of this nonsense.  
     
    The USA has finally become the laughing stock of the world.”

  • jbjd

    AllMyPumas, I am proprietary about the work.  And, given that my mission is to educate, when someone who disagrees with my conclusions presumes this disagreement evidences I am ignorant – “So, ignorance of the extensive work done in election issues is no excuse for not seeing what you are writing about is not tied to that.”  – well, allowed to stand, this could undermine all of my efforts.  

    I wonder how anyone could read the comments contained in this Part 2 and still not ‘get’ that anything the club wants to do, it can.  Harping on the inequity of club rules completely misses the point.

    As for being among allies, well, this personalizing the work has absolutely nothing to do with understanding how the D’s broke laws to obtain the Presidency in 2008, or going after them for breaking these laws.  Indeed, the last time I pointed to this distinction between  complaining people who showed up at caucuses were ‘shut out’ of the process, and actual violations of law; I was accused of not caring that people’s lives were threatened.  (I keep making this distinction about people showing up at caucuses because I maintain, caucuses should have been eliminated because of the categories of citizens excluded from even showing up!)  Imagine, having the conversation about how the Presidency was stolen in 2008, become so sidetracked that it now focused on charges, I didn’t care people were victims of crime; and my retort, victims of crime should call the police and file charges!

    I fear people who continue to deflect from the real means to effect change, that is, finding what laws were broken and prosecuting the lawbreakers; have a vested interest in the status quo.

  • jbjd

    Breeze, J. Kagan has absolutely nothng to do with violating ballot laws; or laws in vote binding states. 

  • Breeze

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    True, but I thought you may want to file it away for any future use,
    for any other reason that may come along  down the road.

  • KMFD

    To determine if there was illegal activity:
    1. Look at the state statute you say binds a delegate to vote for a certain candidate.
    2. Find that state’s criminal solicitation law to see if the delegate law is covered by it.
    3. Check U.S. Supreme court opinions regarding the extent to which state law can affect how the parties choose their presidential candidates.

    Have you done these three things? No, you haven’t. Your posts would be laughable except you come off like an expert so you have all these people eating out of your hand.

    Did you know that it is not illegal to try to convince someone to break the law unless state law explicitly makes it illegal? It my state, for instance, it is only illegal to try to convince someone to commit a felony. You can beg and cajole them all you want to commit a misdemeanor and there’s nothing illegal about that.

    Those state laws that supposedly bind a delegate to vote for a certain candidate? Why do you even think they are enforceable? What’s your answer to Democratic Party v. Wisconsin ex rel. LaFollette (450 U.S. 107)?

    It’s the internet. Congratulations on fooling a bunch of people.

  • jbjd

    KMFD, I said, I thought enticing people to break the law was illegal.  I thought this conduct constituted a conspiracy.  AG Baker in GA clearly thought pledged delegates who did not follow their candidates into the convention were breaking the law.  Did you read his letter to that state’s Clinton pledged delegates?

    Did you check out criminal conspiracy laws? 

  • jbjd

    KMFD, I said, I thought enticing people to break the law was illegal.  I thought this conduct constituted a conspiracy.  AG Baker in GA clearly thought pledged delegates who did not follow their candidates into the convention were breaking the law.  Did you read his letter to that state’s Clinton pledged delegates? 
     
    Did you check out criminal conspiracy laws?

    As for analyzing case law for you, well, first, give me your interpretation of the case… But I will give you a head start.  Presently, these vote binding laws are the law of the land.

  • jbjd

    KMFD, I said, I thought enticing people to break the law was illegal.  I thought this conduct constituted a conspiracy.  AG Baker in GA clearly thought pledged delegates who did not follow their candidates into the convention were breaking the law.  Did you read his letter to that state’s Clinton pledged delegates?  
      
    Did you check out criminal conspiracy laws?  
     
    As for analyzing case law for you, well, first, give me your interpretation of the case… But I will give you a head start.  Presently, these vote binding laws are the law of the land. 

  • jbjd

    Breeze, I wrote an article about J. Kagan.

  • jbjd

    KMFD, I said, I thought enticing people to break the law was illegal.  I thought this conduct constituted a conspiracy.  AG Baker in GA clearly thought pledged delegates who did not follow their candidates into the convention were breaking the law.  Did you read his letter to that state’s Clinton pledged delegates?    
        
    Are you saying, there are no criminal misdemeanor?  (Also, did you check out criminal conspiracy or, extortion laws?)   
       
    As for analyzing case law for you, well, first, give me your interpretation of the case… But I will give you a head start.  Presently, these vote binding laws are the law of the land. And while challenges have been raised to other state laws respecting the ‘governance’ of political parties; none has been raised to these laws respecting a traditional state function of carryig out elections and what is meant by casting one’s vote.

  • Cooney

    These articles are too painful for me to read.  My 40 years of being a democrat died that year.  The activist works of my father and mother before me became wothless in 2008.

  • Michelle

    Cooney-I wonder how many of us Democrats did the same thing, I’m thinking more than 50 per cent, who were just horrified re: corruption and the intimidation tactics. Tea Party now.  I was born in Chicago but raised in the suburbs nobody, nobody gets a candidate from the cesspool of corruption Chicago’s Southside. I have no idea what the DNC was thinking? if at all.
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/
    Grim proving ground for Obama’s housing policyThe candidate endorsed subsidies for private entrepreneurs to build low-income units. But, while he garnered support from developers, many projects in his former district have fallen into disrepair.

    20 years as a “community organizer” code in Chicago for a politician on the take.