What do you think of this Catholic ad?

Well, this is extremely well done…it feels like the trailer to a big-budget Hollywood movie. I think it will be effective for those hard-core Catholics who can’t or won’t countenance abortion.

Very powerful. Obots heads will explode everywhere.

I think that is the most powerful ad I have ever seen.
Even if you are pro-choice or pro-gay marriage it has
to make you think. Our society is in decay. Being
crude and vulgar is accepted behavior having abortions
as a form of birth control has been used my many and
has caused me to re-think many of my positions. If
people aren’t moved somewhat by this, they have no
conscience.

Exquisite. I am a Catholic by choice. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Without life there can be no liberty or the pursuit of happiness.

Almost as powerful as a free pass for pederast priests.

Crude and vulgar is standard operating procedure for obots.

you are obviously in the “no conscience” category

It was well done, but that’s about all I see. The controversy over shadowing the catholic church is still pretty fresh, and the church can’t exactly speak for moral clarity. It’ll probably get die hard church-goers to vote anti-O which is fine with me. But honestly, as a gay man – I was insulted by the ad, and if I weren’t anti-O, it would’ve completely turned me off. I don’t think it’s a good ad for the fence-sitters.

OFF TOPIC

On the last thread you all gave me hell for calling skip a idiot for voting for Cynthia McKinney.

So I decided to be open minded and go to the green party website to learn more about Cynthis McKinney.

The first thing I read was about her running mate.

Her name is Rosa Clemente and she was described on the green party official website as a “puerto rican hip hop activist”

Well I am not quite sure what a puerto rican hip hop activist is, or how it qualifies you to be president, but in conclusion I stand by my statement skip your a IDIOT

I was baptized Catholic, went to 12 years of all girl Catholic school, first heard two priests and some nuns use racial epithets at age 19, and am a non-practicing Catholic who believes in choice so the ad does nothing for me. Propaganda seldom if ever gets past my BS detector, and that is what this is. It is very well and slickly done. And the faithful will love it. The cynical and jaded may ask how much the priests who abused children value life as well. I know I do.

If people aren’t moved somewhat by this, they have no conscience.

I am not a Roman Catholic, but I am a Pro-Life and Anti-Death democrat (little “D” not a typo).

For all of its horrendous faults, the Roman Church gets this right. It is hypocritical to be either pro-choice and anti-capital punishment, or pro-life and pro-capital punishment.

If it is life that is precious, even for an atheist, then ALL life is precious… even the lives of those who live in Sadr City, and of those who have yet to breach the womb.

This was a very powerful ad. I am a gay man but I did not find it offensive. I do not know why. It may be due to the fact that it was well done. I, too, am pro-choice and pro-gay-marriage.

The image of the baby in the womb is stunning, it sure makes you think about what is right and what is not, that image will be a eye opener for Catholics and it will tug at their beliefs and what their choice should be.

I’m not thinking that it is meant for the fence-sitters. My guess is that it will be very effective with Catholics who attend church weekly (a strong pro-GOP group of voters already). In other words, it will push them to turn out when they might have considered staying home.

I am pro-choice. I personally thought this was amazing. I agree that American should be a country that reveres life. We are quick and forecful to defend, protect and respond to the threat against any AMERICAN, anywhere in the world. Encouraging our country to embrace life is much more noble to me than the repulsive responses that have of late escaped the mouths of lefty-looney liberals. I think choice should be preserved so that it can be rejected or painfully considered. Teaching that Life should be revered is the noblist act of humanity and of Americans. Adoption, abstinance, prevention and understanding should be encouraged. How wonderful would it be to see abortion remain an option that is rarely exercised because of choice…….Life would then be revered…….honored……and valued.

You deserve hell for being a sexist pig and a racist. D(F)ry up, troll.

I agree with HARP. Biden will go back to stuttering when he sees it and THE ONE will not be amused.

Epic in style…feel the credits will roll with the name of Mel Gibson or Ridley Scott.

Powerful Catholic images, touches on important issues and presents the Catholic position on them without appearing to impose it.

Intriguing! I’m pro-life in the sense that (as a past Planned Parenthood board member) I believe that the real pro-life people are those who fight for the quality of life for all — meaning that every child who is given life deserves to be a wanted child who is cared for and valued. Pro-life (to me) means ensuring comprehensive and available reproductive health care for all women so that they are able to make life affirming choices for themselves and their potential children.

PS When will we catch up to Mexico which, in the early 1970s, amended its constitution to say that access to readily available contraception was a constitutional right for everyone!

Although I am pro-choice and pro gay marriage it is a very powerful ad. As a catholic American it did reinforce those values that I grew up with.

It is extremely well done. I am also pro choice and pro-gay. I felt compelled to watch it, and it does make you think no matter what your issues are. I am sure it will get lots of traffic which might be a good thing.

I love it!!! I’m glad to see Catholics boldly espousing conservative views again. They’ve been kowtowing to the left for too long now.

Agree with it being tasteful, well done, etc.

What disturbs me is the entrance of religion into politics yet again.

I don’t really care which organized sect puts this sort of message out though I’m in complete support of voting one’s conscience…which is why I’ll NEVER vote for Obama!!!

Life began at conception some four billion years ago. But the point of ensoulment is first breath, not fusion. Anyone who knew GOD, would know that.

I’m a Jewish guy married to a woman raised Catholic, both of us non-practicing. That’s a powerful, very well done video. We’re both pro-choice liberal Dems but will both be voting for McCain-Palin. There’s just too much at stake not to but Roe isn’t one of them.

Very powerful! I hope all catholics see the film. I also think men should think about having a vasectomy.

Question

Has this blog decided to stop promoting PUMA?

I saw no pre-advertising for the radio chat tonight?

I never see any promotion of TexasDarlings blog anymore either?

just trying to decide where everyone’s loyalties lie

thus finding my own way

thanks for any input

Puma4Palin
my ballot has been filled out and all that’s left it to pop it in the mail but I think I’ll hold on to it for another week or two to makes sure nothing happens to AGAIN change my mind

I don’t like dirty tricks (from either side)
I hope I don’t find any

We can only hope.

pardon the typos

Powerful ad. Thanks, Susan.(And I’m a pro-choice Episcopalian/Baptist)
Also, does anyone remember how afraid half of the country was of JFK because he was Catholic?? People were saying we’d all be taking orders from the Pope if JFK were to become President!
That’s the same type of fear-mongering from people who now say that we’re doomed if Sarah Palin becomes VP. And Sarah is not Catholic, but Joe Biden is……..oops!
Statistically, the majority of Catholics are pro-choice, but it’s still a wonderful ad.

It is a powerful ad. Having been Catholic, without a choice, my family is native, coming from a mixed reservation of Missionaries and tribe. I have changed views throughout my life. I do not have the same opinions I had in my youth. Although not a practicing Catholic any longer, I still practice some of the Catholic teachings. I think there is truth in the fact our public policy is becoming something that is little more than the flavor of the moment. There is much to be said in the foundation of what is believed to be family, yet I cannot agree there with the church.I understand the struggle to try and define our families, because I also understand every bit of public policy is based on how we define ourselves, in our country. I do not want anyone to be considered less deserving of the protections and gifts our country offers us because of preference, so this is the issue I would disagree on, and still am able to support Senator McCain. regarding life, abortion and death, natural death and executions. I can only apply a principle I have- to just myself. If I cannot say in all truth I would do any of the above, then I am a hypocrite, with my opinion. I do not have first hand knowledge, nor can presume to know what any of these actions would bring to another. It isn’t easy to change an opinion, and even more difficult to be honest with myself as I must when faced with the idea of such a decision. I prefer to act in this life, as if I were doing everything in front of the powers that be. That would be on a good day. I can’t be indifferent, and I refuse to police another persons spiritual inventory.

amen, L. no pun intended.

SusanUnPC,
Where will this ad air?
Television? Internet (Catholic org. websites)?

I am Pro choice. I WAS a lifelong Democrat until very recently. I am not catholic.
I support gay marriage rights.

I wasnt too pleased with this ad.

I think ad may inadvertantly promote the great misconception (thanks to propaganda put out by DNC & Obama camp & others) that as soon as McCain/Palin get into office-they will destroy Roe vs. Wade
so…. if you are Catholic- vote for them.

If the ad SPECIFICALLY mentioned Sen Obama’s BAIPA position O N L Y and did not discuss directly or by innuendo ABORTION or gay marriage…then this would be good ad that not only Catholics-but all religions might have no problem with.

Can Sen Obama campaign take this ad and show it to independents and say “SEE…WE TOLD YOU SO…EVEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AGREES AND IS URGING FOLLOWERS TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN/PALIN BECAUSE AS SOON AS THEY GET INTO OFFICE THEY WILL REVERSE ROE VS WADE!”

Yes…in my opinion, he can use this ad for that purpose-AND HE WILL.

Abortion is a private, emotional issue. If independents see this ad, the voters might get offended and turned off as they think to themselves “Why is there a picture of the Pope and cardinals on an ad dealing with a US presidential election (you know-required/desired separation of church and state).

They will go on “Who does this ad want me to support? Oh wow-more fear tactics by the McCain camp.”

I dont like this ad. Will hurt voters’ perception of McCain/Palin as ‘separation of church and state’ mavericks.

The ad would be more effective if it kept hands off abortion & gay marriage issue B U T instead focused on Obama’s BAIPA position. His position on this issue is reprehensible to conservatives, liberals, independants-& to catholics, Baptists, Protestants, unitarians universalists, Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Hindus, agnostics and atheists and others. It is offensive to almost everyone who understands what BAIPA is all about. I would focus on that issue only with a ‘religiously-oriented ad like this.

Seems this Ad may be aimed at Joe Biden and the trouble he’s having with those 50 Bishops…just a thought

having been raised a catholic, i’d say most are democrats…

just a guess though, as i’m no longer ‘practicing’…

The Catholic church is anti democracy.
The Catholic church gave us 8 years of George W. Bush, and thousands of Americans lost their lives as a result.
This is a propaganda piece calculated to take away a woman’s freedom of giving birth when she is ready.
Democracy is the enemy of the Catholic church.

What should you be seeing here that is not here?

I haven’t even viewed the ad yet but totally agree with everything you have said…………..

may not even view it

too late to get pissed

(no chuckle)

As a permanently lapsed catholic dyke voting against BO, this ad is fine with me if it gets McCain elected. I thought the catholic pageantry was a bit overdone, sort of like BO’s, and really, with so many social problems in the world today, how can making sure that every fertilized or fertilizable egg gets to be a human being ever be the right place to start with social policy. Talk about dumb.

But I did like the exhortation to ‘vote your conscience.’

I sure will!!

Religion is not the Priests, Rabbis, Ministers, or whoever does the sermons. Religion is something that is in the soul and heart. I was a Catholic until I married outside of my religion. That did not take away my faith and today I still practice the Catholic religion. This video is very well done and if you cannot feel anything from watching this you have no soul.

Well done ad and very powerful but it will not change catholics that think the pope should not tell them what to think. Most Americans do not understand Catholicism…it means you do and think what the pope says to do and think…American catholics are the most problematic of the world’s catholics…the pope said as much when he visited NYC recently saying American catholics need to better understand the church’s teachings meaning American catholics will not do what they are told.

Good luck. This ad may move some the McCain-Palin. But in the end is a waste of money for the sponsors. But, hey, we still have free speech…at least for some people powerful enough to withstand the thugs.

no offense ed but your gay and will not have a kid. So no wonder it did not effect you.
I am a pro-life dem. I am pro-life for the reason above. Poeple use abortion as birth control.
I think in certain circumstances it is okay. However, i want a culture of life.
I want a culture where young men and women realize the consequences that their actions have. I want my 2 daughters to grow up and feel that they are responsible for what they do. The greatest mistake can bring the greatest joy.
I have friends that have had abortions simply because they got pregnant to someone they refused to have a kid to.
What about the kid? Matter of fact, what about the father?
I know women who have had abortions because they could not be bothered to use birth control.
I would like to see poeple act responsible. Give birth and have an adoption if it is to much responsibility. A women pregnant having an abortion could be killing an innocent unborn that possibly could go on to do amazing things if he were permitted to live.
Think about that sentence, permitted to live.
Should it really be allowed to abort babies at will?
Babies born alive that were attempted to be aborted?
Abortion is a serious issue. and one that is dear to my heart because i have countless female friends that have had them. It is sad.
I have 2 children at 23. I could never have dreamed of my children being aborted.

I understand the arguments but the fact is democrats go on about women having a right to choose, and they do. But most abortions are young women not being responsible and then they find out and do whats easy.

I ask you dems on here. Instead of doing what is easy. Do whats hard. It is hard to raise a kid. Man is it hard. But it is the most beautiful experience you can ever have. A joy that lasts a lifetime. A joy that YOU create. unfortunatly it is joy that becuase of a right to choose may never see the light of day.
Women can have as many abortions as they want. A person cannot live as many lives as he wants. though.
45 million kids have been aborted in our nation. 45 million. those children never had a chance. Because in most cases an irresponsible women chose not to give them one.

in my opinion, you are right.

i actually supported (albeit ‘moral’) cynthia before her vp pick.

too bad. she really had a little something going there for a bit…

Dawnelle, I’m Puma….and I’m not alone here, as far as I know..
I thought Texas Darling retired her blog for awhile?? Does anyone know?

It makes me not want to vote for any Catholics.
The phrases “The Family/Must Be Strengthened/Not Redefined” and “Human Life is Paramount/And Must Be Protected/ From Conception to Natural Death” are very authoritarian sounding and I misliked the images that went with them for they seemed wildly inappropriate.
The contrast of a “normal family” praying around the dinner table, and a gay marriage ceremony was offensive, as it implies that gays can’t have real religious values. Then the viewer was meant to equate abortion, and even some birth control with 9/11. I’m not loving it, and I sure wouldn’t sign of on a candidate who did.
Not to mention the idea of calling someone pro-life who supports wars for oil is a little loony.
You asked.

Great Ad. How is it possible to get across to people that the possibility of Roe v Wade being overturned is next to zero? And even if it were overturned tomorrow, abortion would still be legal in all 50 states? If this issue stops anyone for voting for McCain (or if its why they are voting for Obama) they should become more informed before making a decision.

wait until at least Sept. 24. That’s when Obama campaign is required to respond to the Philip Berg v Obama lawsuit in Philadelphia. If Obama implodes (i.e, can’t provide birth cert. to shows he’s a natural born citizen) he become ineligible and then maybe Hillary goes to top of ticket.

Repubs (or a 527 for McCain) will wait until very close to election – at which time your absentee ballot has already been mailed for McCain. I urge everyone voting early and absentee to try to wait as long as you can until mailing. It may not be over until the former First Lady is on the ballot (or sings :>)).

Dawnella,

I don’t think it is on purpose, perhaps it is just not said as often. I am still PUMA, but for me PUMA is an idealogy beyond this election(it is it’s own force and is taking on many different arms of what this election has brought), and will continue for a long time, I know personally with my support. With the election getting close, I like to think many of us are simply trying to get going on who we are supporting and why, but don’t think there is any intentional slight to PUMA. I think Texas Darlin, left the site over a month ago, and still has her site as of last month, anything further about it is beyond me.
Don’t base your vote, on this site or any other, (not saying you said that). Your vote, is how you see it, not for any other reason. I don’t see dirty tricks here, mostly a lot of work toward November 4th, and still many with the heart of a PUMA.

Monday, July 14, 2008
Greens part two
http://lerterland.blogspot.com/2008/07/greens-part-two.html
Rosa Clemente, the hip-hop activist who is now Cynthia McKinney’s vice presidential running mate on the Green Party ticket, made an acceptance speech this weekend during which she offered unequivocal praise for the Weather Underground, Mutulu Shakur (currently serving a 60-year term for his involvement in the BLA’s notorious 1981 Brinks heist) and other supposed paragons of progressivism in America.

Not if the life of a precious woman is the price that has to be paid for protecting every zygote and embryo. Women deserve to life fully self-determining lives, and in a culture that makes a point of depriving women of even the most rudimentary forms of equality and respect, forced gestation is just not something that any woman owes anyone. Unless it is her own personal genuine choice.

Ever.

and yes, her platform agenda has changed a bit since …

I just wish people would get that gays/lesbians can be just as moral, pro-family and pro-life and have values as high as straight people. I’m proud of the life I live, and I’m confident that God gets it.

ok I watched it (or the first 1/4) and turned it off

too much pro life mantra

too much far right extremism

if they go that far I’m out

religion is the priests and the rabis and the ministers and who does the sermons. With out them it would just be us and god and eternity.

Ha! I can hear it now!! ‘I should be able to choose whether I can impregnate a woman or not!!’

But then maybe ‘choice’ would really mean something?

i am choice and anti-death… only because “i don’t trust the government”.

say, isn’t that the republican platform? dang, i’m independent!

LBJ,

It is not hypocritical to be pro-life, and pro-capital punishment. There is a big difference between wanting an INNOCENT child to have a chance at life, and someone who was found GUILTY by a jury of their peers to be put to death. The unborn child has no say in what happens to them. The death penalty convict had a chance to decide what they wanted to do with their life, and chose to do the wrong thing.

You are confusing two completely different things, and trying to lump them together.

Poeple use abortion as birth control.

THats a BOLD FACE BULL SHIT LIE!!!!!
That’s EXACTLY THE SHIT THE RIGHT LIES ABOUT EVERY FRIGGENDAY

that is the shit that will lose McCain the election

we will NOT Be lectured to by MEN and religious zealots making up lies!!!!

arghhhhhhhhhhhhh

then it’s ok that poor young girls lose their lives giving themselves coathanger abortions, because they are not ready to have a family.
While the fancy McCain children can fly off to fancy clinics to get the job done?

Is that what you mean by “Pro Life”?

Or do you mean filling up every square inch of the former “America the Beautiful” with human beings, while wildlife goes extinct as animal habitat is mowed down to make room for more of us wonderful, great, great people, who will soon be extinct as we breed like locusts, destroying every scrap of God’s creation?

Religion became an issue for me again when Rev. Wright hit the scene and we are made aware of Obama’s Black Liberation Marxist Theology Church.

The Catholic church has been fighting Liberation Theology for over 40 years.

I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools. I go to mass a few times a month and Christmas, Easter, Good Friday, etc. But, I am still pro-choice as are many Catholics but it is weird that as I get older I find myself questioning the abortion issue. Having said that I am pro-choice I will say tho that I get really pissed off when the Roe v. Wade issue is held over my head as a woman. I do not vote on that issue alone.

The video was strong and will hit a lot of Catholics right at the heart. I feel that the church is going strong this year because of what Pelosi and Biden have said about church doctrine. If they think the church is going to let them dictate what the doctrine of the church is they are crazy.

I don’t think it will change people’s minds one way or the other if they are strong on either side Obama or McCain but it will speak to those who are on the fence.

I wonder where this ad will be shown. It is long to be on television. Anybody know?

JUST SAY NO TO BLACK LIBERATION MARXIST THEOLOGY

NO OBAMA
MCCAIN/PALIN 2008
HILLARY WAS THE ONE OBAMA IS THE “TROPHY WIFE”

I see your point Michelle – as to getting the church goers out to vote anti-O, I’m all for it, but personally, it offends me. Born catholic, gay, chastised by the church – they have no position to try and pass judgment on my rights given the cover up they pulled for crimes against children. I hope it gets the faithful to vote McCain/Palin, but if bobo weren’t at the top of the ticket, it could give me pause to vote for Biden, that’s a danger with this ad – it can fuel those that the church labels ‘sinners’.

It will be Catholics that drag McCain’s body over the finish line to victory. There is no way that Obama will get anywhere near the percentage of the Catholic vote that Kerry (the scumbag) got in 2004 once everyone in this country becomes aware of the born alive issue.

More gay men, lesbian women, and trans/trans people have children than heterosupremicists would ever dream.

You are wrong about that.

Wonderful ad Susan!
It states completely and with great emotion what is at stake in this election.
No less than our way of life and freedoms.
Americanism!!!
Under assault from the internationalists from the secular socialist societies.
The Catholic vote will go 70% for McCain.

and ruhla you should be proud. There is nothing wrong with being gay.
Certainly i am not gay and as a man i am uncomfortable seeing guys kiss or grope. BUT, it is their life and pursuit of love.
What is life without love?
Stay proud ruhla. No one can ever take your pride unless you let them.

Yes! Breed, Breed, Breed!

I hope they show it NO WHERE but in bible class

it was horrible

Funny. I found it sappy, sentimental and manipulative.

exactly.

No. A lot of the same dolts who are now voting for Nobama gave us Bush. How do I know? At my workplace the same people who are waxing poetic about Nobama are many of the same who believed Bush was a “uniter”.

Beautiful moral/values video that isn’t heavy-handed politically. I don’t like lumping gay marriage with an antiabortion stance, since at least civil unions are pro-life. But otherwise it is tastefully done without placing blame or provoking fear and guilt.

Something religious people often forget: THE ARE NOT GOD.

This ad disgusts me.

This is a powerful video.
Without morals, life, faith and family, our country will crumble. A lot of children today aren’t taught morals. My favorite is “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. I have lived my life by this and have raised my children to treat others the way they would want to be treated. To never be disrespectful or judge others because of race, sex, disability, rich or poor. We are all human beings and all deserve to be treated equally.

I am pro-gay marriage. I do not have the right to judge others for the way they choose to live their lives. We all have one life and should be able to live it without being judged or harassed.

As for abortion, I have mixed feelings about that. Part of me is pro-life and part pro-choice. I am pro-life for me. The only way I would ever have an abortion is if my life was in danger or my baby was “severely” handicapped and only in the first trimester. The pro-choice side of me believes that everyone has the right to choose for themselves. But, I also agree that it shouldn’t be an alternative for birth control. Women and men have a responsibility to do everything possible to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. As for partial-birth abortions, I am totally against this inhuman practice unless it would be to save the mothers life.

Yes….very, very powerful.

Felt moral feeling….tears of joy….tears of sorrow….tears of love. These make us human. These give us transcendent meaning connecting us to others, to nature, to the infinite universe, to ourselves.

Whether a soldier on the battle field – whether a tragedy of unexpected serious sickness – whether a dying old man or woman or young child, needing a warm hand touch – whether a newborn’s first cry at birth – or the mysterious Union of Life giving Sperm and Egg — Yes, human Life is important. White. black, brown…. intelligent, less intelligent…. beautiful, less beautiful…. healthy, less healthy…. Yes, it is….Life is – very important.

Thank you Susan.

I was deeply touched. The film goes beyond each of our preferences to a deep place inside of us. I am so deeply affected by those who want to destroy our beautiful country, that I appreciate having powerful, spiritual principles to guide our lives. We people, here, at this blog, will vote our conscious, as the film suggests, and with our intuitive hearts, as well.

If a family with gay parents takes something away from your family, there’s something wrong with your family.

Sorry — my disgust deepens as I consider this ad.

Not to be confrontational but do you have statistics that assert your opinion? Because I have heard that abortions are used in exactly that manner. I know woman that have had 2 or 3 before the age of 25.

With that said…..I think choice should remain. I hope an evolution occurs in our society that life and its potential trumps convenience and abortion rates drastically decline – by choice not by law……

It’s looooong. I think the point could have been made in 30 seconds.

Thanks for being so succinct.

And I hated the ‘redefining’ moment.

Great production qualities, though. I’ll give it that.

Obama calls abortion survivor a ‘despicable liar’

http://blog.catholicvote.com/?p=141

LOL

Somebody seems to be under some kind of illusion that the HRC dems can be persuaded to spread their legs and start squirting out little screamers for the pope.
Actually, it gets a little weird here on the week-ends, when Larry takes a little well-deserved R&R.

umm dawnelle you called me a liar and rightwinger and relidous zealot. I am none.
I know women who have done it dawnelle. I think that is part of the problem with whole debate of life. Some who have absolutely no experience in dealing with this or knowing poeple who have done it they fight for choice when they do not know anyone who has made a choice.
Don’t call me names because i spoke of personal life experience. What do 17 year old women have abortions for? I am 23 with kids. My wife had her first child at 17.
If you cannot handle the truth of an issue ignore it i guess dawnelle.But next time you have a child burned alive in your body think of what he could have become. Is it only a mother who raises and makes children? That is one of the worst comes back on this issue.
“i won’t be lectured by men” MEN MAKE BABIES AND RAISE THEM, JUST LIKE WOMEN. we do not carry them no. They are still a part of us as well.

I was born and practicing Catholic and I was dismayed by the use of religion and christian conservatism to seize power during Bush’s run for office. As a result I have since supported centrist and liberal ideas and drifted away from my conservative Catholic faith for sometime… until Sen Barack Obama came to the scene. His extreme left ideas and ideology woke me up and made me realize how far I have drifted away from my core beliefs and morality.

Gov Palin’s authentic religious beliefs and tireless conviction completed my transformation back to the Catholic ideals and morality.

Thank you Barack Obama and most of all thank you Gov Palin.

I think the majority do. Even Sarah said she did in her interview with Hannity. She does not make any judgements.

It speaks very powerfully to the voters who already hold the “pro life” viewpoint, and it has a clear call to action.

How does it make me feel? Nice music, nothing else.

JAY in Los Angeles

no jay the poeple who decide that babies die must think they are god. Religous folks know who god i my mislead friend.
Taking ones life at the whim of a decision sounds mor like you believe you can play god.

Dawn,

Ask Nancy Pelosi’s daughter about not using abortion as birth control. Seems she has had three abortions.

You’re exactly right. It will get Catholics to the polls. Frankly I don’t care what they use to get them to vote – as long as they vote.

It may help out with the hispanic vote.

BTW, where does Obama go to church?

Oh Wright, he left his racist, Anti-American church…after sitting in the pews for 20+ years.

I refuse to support anyone that is morally bankrupt.

Morally Bankrupt = Barack Obama

McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary ’12

ruhla,

Some of us are fortunate enough to be in our 50′s and have a gay parent. I am of course the most fortunate daughter, in the world. My father took me to mass, my father instilled in me what I can only refer to as qualities of decency, my beautiful gay father. He is no different than any other good father. I count myself blessed.

I thought it was boring and depressing. And preachy. But of course preachy is the point, I guess.

Paul – just to your statement that “I’m gay and won’t have a kid” – learn biology. I personally don’t have a child, however gay friends of mine, women and men DO. And some of those children were actually fathered by the gay guys, it takes a sperm and an egg to create life, it doesn’t matter whether it’s from a gay or straight donor – so get that through your head.

I think I read that ALL SIN is EQUAL

if so then

getting pregnant OUT OF WEDLOCK

and

having an abortion

and

getting a divorce for no good reason

and

stealing your neighbors newspaper

should be the same

and yet

somehow abortion is always listed as the worst by MOST of the zealots!

yet it’s surely the most mentally tragic for the patient for the lack of empathy or compassion for what COULD have been a tragic event

doesn’t give ANY impression of being Christian to me!

saying women do that for birth control is just a HUGE LIE and generalization and it’s TIME the RIGHT stops promoting the BS!! LIES are SINS right???

No, she’s still posting. I wondered the same. Last time I was there she featured some stories on the Philip Berg lawsuit. I would be interested in knowing why she and NQ no longer feature each other’s sites on the blog roll.

You’re speaking with the exact voice I’m commenting on. You do not know how God feels about every life. Most of God’s other creatures eat each other.

I am not Catholic and I am not a one-issue voter, but I think this is a very effective ad, and I bet it reaches a lot of Catholics. It was beautifully done and moving.

Can Sen Obama campaign take this ad and show it to independents and say “SEE…WE TOLD YOU SO…EVEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AGREES AND IS URGING FOLLOWERS TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN/PALIN BECAUSE AS SOON AS THEY GET INTO OFFICE THEY WILL REVERSE ROE VS WADE!”

Not really. Unless I missed it, this video does not endorse a candidate. It is purely a protrayal of traditional Catholic values which requires those in alignment to vote their conscience.

The ad is well done. It moves the viewer to think critically.

Of course many will have differing viewpoints regarding the issues in the video, but it seems counterintuitive to even think that the Catholic Religion would teach otherwise with respect to the pro life issue. How would people feel if a church was advocating to kill unborn children?

very well said

I think the video is dull — pretty music… sort of classical cliche, pretty pictures but no dynamic — watching them reminds me of how terribly overpopulated the world is and what great problems we have in trying to feed everybody and clothe and house everybody and educate everybody…and by the time it got to the end I forgot what the subject was — something about the pope and John Kennedy?

What utter drivel.
Four contradictory, yet equally absurd sentences linked by a common lack of thought.
uhhhhh

Good point.

This ad was made FOR Catholics..If you are NOT a Catholic, then it was NOT intended for you.. If you watched it and you were impressed with its message, then good for you.If you watched it and were not impressed with it, then it wasnt meant for you…This ad was not made by the RNC or by McCain..Neither McCain or Palin are Catholics. However, Biden is..I wonder what Biden would say about it.. Roe vs Wade was not over-turned in all the years under a republican administration and there is no reason to think it will be now.. I am pro-choice.like Palin, and my choice, like hers, is prolife.. Life is precious..I am so thankful my mother did NOT abort me. I would not then have had the chance to experience all of life’s joys, including holding my babys tiny fingers in my hands. What a thrill that was!..How much different this is as opposed to discarding an aborted infant born alive..

Then you wont be votinf for late term abortion artist obambi I assume?

Then you wont be voting for late term abortion artist obambi I assume?

Paul..
I’m a devout catholic but always have considered myself pro choice with a live and let live approach to most social issues.
However,I’m so impressed with Sarah and her values and the fact that she sticks to what she believes regardless of the cost is something I can lookup to with admiration.
What’s nice about these Mavericks is that they are not running on changing existing moral laws such as abortion but have their own believes which they hold personally.
Abortion rights are established law. Even Scalia said as much.
I like the fact that Sarah has moral integrity and I know Catholics like myself are very impressed!!

Dawn,

And what was so horrible about this ad?

Seems you just don’t like opposing views to be put out.

JM08

Don’t know if you will read this one so far after your own comment.

I’m not voting McKinney because I think she would be a great president.

I’m a Democrat who can’t bring myself to vote Republican, and don’t think McCain will be the answer.

I am voting to protest the Democratic primary process.

If I voted McCain, my vote would be indistinguishable from other Repubs. If I don’t vote at all, it will be the same.

If McKinney shaves off a small fraction of the vote, it will be pretty clear it was dissident Dems. It will be measurable.

I don’t have a better solution this November.

And don’t worry about my gas money! I mail-in my ballot!

You might have better appeal if you toned it down a bit…….you are starting to sound like a zealot which I am sure was not your intent.

Where did you read that? Obviously not in the Bible. Sin is sin (none of it’s good), but it’s not all equal, hence the different punishments meeted out for different sins in Leviticus under Jewish Law.

Where did you read that? Obviously not in the Bible. Sin is sin (none of it’s good), but it’s not all equal, hence the different punishments meeted out for different sins in Leviticus under Jewish Law.

The ad? Beautifully done. Yet I don’t agree.

It’s in line with my usual view of Catholicism: Awesome art — silly doctrine.

I’m not moved by it either. The ‘pro-life’ non-thinkers cause tremendous pain and suffering with their conflating ‘life’ with forcing women to carry pregnancies to term against their free will. A fetus becomes a human being with rights and legal protection when it takes a breath on its own. Jamming the word ‘life’ down everyone’s throats is simply a power play: power over women, social structures, the legal system, and of course just drawing attention to themselves at the expense of others. The Catholic Church’s stance against birth control and abortion services used to be based in convictions. Now, with scientific advancement punching holes in those convictions, its become simply a dogma to support creating as many Catholics as possible in poor countries.

dawnelle how can you say it is a lie????
I know women who have had abortions, it is birth control to SOME, not all dawnelle.
If it were not used as birth control then there would be need except in cases of rape or life threatening circumstances.
If it were not birth control to some i guess they would just not have sex right? Or they would use birth control.
I know women who have done it. stop saying it is a lie dawnelle. face the truth.
I am not the right. I am a registered democrat and have been my whole life.I also never went to church growing up and can count on my hand the times i have went as an adult. so you just sound foolish.

is that it??? whew thanks!

I think I’ll go to bed

I agree. I am still a registered Democrat, Hillary supporter, for this election McCain/Palin.
I happen to have great respect for all 3.

I see NO dirty tricks here, ever. I only see occasional trolls, that I disregard.

I think this site is full of Democrats who do not want to see Obama elected, and do not want their votes wasted.

Why did Texas Darlin’ leave her site? Was she being harrassed?

COUNTRY FIRST

Athena- I agree with you 100%!

Actually, I think LBJ said they were Catholic, and if so, it is isn’t confusing, as it is considered a consistent teaching of all life, regardless of unborn or convicted criminal. So if a person is Catholic and is pro life, they are usually anti death penalty, it’s just the church teachings.

I think if someone is non-catholic it isn’t hypocritical and probably aren’t seen to be by Catholics, it’s something that seems in contrast, but most peoples religious teachings should also include the understanding that other teachings may be different in these areas. Most Catholics I know accept their teachings and understand many have a different take. In contrast try to understand it is contrary to Catholic belief for some to have different views as in being pro death penalty if they are pro life.

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I have no soul?
You just got sucked in by a generic commercial product.
I used to write ads on Madison Avenue, and we used to smoke pot and laugh up our sleeves as we wrote this kind of maudlin tripe.

Powerful, as a lasped Catholic, I will be at church tomorrow. I am sending this to ALL my family, once a Catholic, always a Catholic.

Too bad BO & co don’t.

Funny, that. Being dems and all.

Well I think this ad is intended for catholic voters so the impact will be greater for them perhaps – however generally speaking in regards to stealing a news paper, lying, or even getting a divorce (as it does not share the finality of an abortion as you can always remarry) are not as impactful on a persons life than deciding to go full term with a pregnancy or not. Abortion is such an incredibly volatile issue. When will it not be? What is the solution?

I am Catholic, twelve years in Catholic school, and still practicing. However, I am a thinking person, and try not to take any dogma without thinking it through. So that means I think birth control is smart, reasonable and desirable. I am against the death penalty, and I am pro-life, but I don’t think that it should be legislated by the government. Personally, what I love about the Catholic Church is the emphasis on social justice teachings, but the paternalistic, self-protection of pedophiles, not so much. As for the ad, I thought it was beautiful in its depiction of the sanctity of life. I think that the coarsening of our society has really accelerated. Having nothing that is sacred is really not a good thing, and I think my kids are growing up in a world that has more but really is less.
On another note, having been married almost 25 years, I honestly don’t know why anyone is in such a rush to be married.

none of anyone’s business

busy bodies

no one has the right to tell anyone what to do with their body

Palin didn’t even TELL her state she was pregnant until it was beyond hiding at 7 months

NO ONE’s BUSINESS (but her’s and her hubbies if she so chooses)

I wish men (and some women) would quit trying to dictate someone else’s life

get busy with their OWN boring lives

ok I’m out

The ‘pro-life’ non-thinkers cause tremendous pain and suffering with their conflating ‘life’ with forcing women to carry pregnancies to term against their free will.

force women? who is forcing? Maybe MEN and WOMEN should wrap up and take birth control.
If a women can become pregnant she should be able to raise the child as well.
Do you have any kids? Or sisters?brothers?cousins?

Friends?what if they were aborted?

Yes it is a choice and a right. I agree it should be law. BUT i think there should be HUGE restrictions.
Poeple should not fornicate irresponsibly then when they get pregnant kill the baby because their not ready.
They were ready to fuck. If someone cannot be a parent, how about giving birth and letting the child be adopted?

I would like to weigh in on this ad, being not only a “practicing” Catholic, but one who attends a very conservative church (my choice), I think I might be able to say what is going on with this ad. For one thing, the Catholic Church, itself, did not support George Bush. At the time when GWB ran, John Paul II, absolutely had no alliance with him. He (JPII) was a smart man, and he knew that George Bush was not in the least concerned with stopping abortions, I guess you could say he could “see into his soul”. There were some parishes in the U.S. who did push for Bush because they had pastors that weren’t as well adept at seeing past the phony rhetoric of the Republican Party and George Bush. After eight years, they have woken up.

From what I could see in my very conservative parish, which has a very young Pastor…they aren’t buying into Obama’s message of “change” and “hope”. McCain clinched that deal the minute he was asked, “When does life begin?” His answer was quick and succinct…”Life begins at conception,” period. Obama said that question was “above my pay scale.” With Obama’s dance around the subject of abortion and his obvious connection to a church that preached hate (Trinity), he lost the conservative Catholic vote. It won’t matter how much Biden claims he is Catholic…it’s Obama who is running for President. Remember, Obama said that he didn’t think his daughters should be “punished with a baby”? That sent a very direct message to the Catholic Church…the message was, “Vote McCain”.

Sure, there are some Catholics who will still vote Obama…but more will vote for McCain, especially senior Catholics who were brought up on the Apostolic Creed of the Catholic Church and take it to heart….it states, “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sin, and life everlasting”. In order to attain life everlasting, abortion is out of the question according to the laws of the Catholic Church.

The ad will be very effective and I will lay odds it will be shown regularly on EWTN, a Catholic channel that is viewed by many traditional and conservative Catholics…those are the ones who vote, always.

(This comment was not meant to bring this conversation into what is good or bad about the Catholic Church, so please don’t ruin this thread with insults and debate over what the Catholic Church is or how much you disagree with it. I’m not trying to convert anyone, this was strictly my opinion as a practicing Catholic and a political wonk regarding the ad and this post.- Thanks)

–The Divine Democrat

there are many women who have had “so many
abortions they cannot remember” somewhat of a
quote from Sherry on the View – she is only
one of many. If you do not believe this you
are deluding yourself and I am a pro-choice
woman.

Actually, remember catholic liberation theology in so. america, africa, etc.? They overlap to a great extent, the difference being the apparent racism on the part of some.

Yo, Mikeeee!
Damn good post. Thanks for the info. Always nice to see that although tree huggers want no one cutting anything down, they are fine with blowing it up.

Hey, too late to try to close that door! The catholics have led the charge in a lot of the antisamesexmarriage cases, and try to claim that they are the victims — that ‘real’ marriage is being devalued by letting queers marry, have kids, even have relationship rights.

I guess it would be called the destruction of traditional marriage card.

How foolish could you thought have been. You are a blind fool.

dawnelle;

although i am relatively new here, i have been following your posts all along… although i don’t know you, i have always found your thoughts to be both balanced and provocative.

this having been said, i can tell you that having been raised a catholic, i never once heard any sermon of a political nature – never. there is that separation between ‘church and state’.

while i am no longer ‘practicing’, i can say in all confidence that the majority of catholics are democrats, that pro-life is held to be religious – not political – doctrine and that this ad is geared to those democrats determined to ‘vote the party line’.

there is no other agenda here, in my opinion, than to remind catholics to vote their spiritual conscience – not their political one. again, no roe v. wade agenda here.

in the end, we must all vote our conscience – be it spiritual, political, or otherwise.

whichever it is for whomever, i can (and do) respect that.

I don’t like religious ads period

I didn’t watch the whole thing

I only made it to the 1/4 mark before I decided it was it was NOT something I would choose to view

we don’t have to LUMP people into categories that say if they don’t watch something they are against opposing views

it’s a preference, a CHOICE!!! I choose not to watch the rest that’s all. If some got tingles up and down their legs so be it.

Just noticing how REALLY different my views are here sometimes. Makes me want to run screaming for the other side until I realize the other side has been hijacked by the FRINGE of some OTHER outer limits!!!

I keeps saying OUT but don’t leave
now I am
lol

Wow! I didn’t know my favorite team, the Philadelphia Eagles, were Catholic. I guess I don’t have to worry about them winning tomorrow against the Steelers.

Joking aside, this was a powerful ad even if the Catholic church makes a mockery of itself. I was raised Catholic in Philadelphia, but I do not consider my self any religion. I’m pretty much anti-Catholic.

There are many people I know, however who will be greatly affected by this ad and I think it will help McCain win votes.

I also agree with Mr. Cannon, awesome art, silly doctrine.

on point. There would have been 50 million additional Americans here today, had they not been aborted since 1973. They were never given the right of life. No matter where you stand, that figure has really got to make you stop and think.

You “heard”?
Who told you this? Your gay priest?

I had 2 abortions because iuds were not reliable birth control in those days.

I raised a fine family when I was ready. If Palin had been my mother, I would never have gone to college, and would never have met my husband, and my present children would never be raised in a loving environment.
They would have been raised by a resentful, angry, very immature mother.

I hope that a Catholic will look at my children and tell them it is wrong that they are here.
Because according to Catholic doctrine, I should not have had a choice.

In the Catholic Church, all sin is not equal. There are variations in sin from Venial (small sins like stealing a newspaper and mortal sin–killing, abortion, etc.)

OH I read Mr. Jesus say it somewhere

I’m not talking old testament

For the record, I learned that there were “venial sins,” such as stealing your neighbor’s newspaper, and “mortal sins,” such as murder, which the Church believes abortion is. So not all sin is created equal.

Well I’m pro choice but something welled up inside me and I fought back tears. I thought it was very compelling and there was also something there that made me feel very patriotic. I’m a grandma now and I can’t imagine not having those beautiful children. However, I don’t know how I would feel if I were 20 years younger.

I think before the COnvention Puma was a group that was united against Obama and for clinton.

Now that the DNC has gone in the tank fully behind obama, the voice of Puma is muted in that there is not much for them to fight now as its done.

Now Puma takes a low key approach and ensures that the votes go against Obama in November.

Puma is probably now a part of a much larger group of people. all those opposed to obama.

Atleast thats how i view it.

A lot of people may also have burned out on posting for a while after the conventions. A lot of heart and soul went into that and it was ripped out and stomped on when they only let hillary get 300 delegaes before handing it to Oinkbama.

Your an idiot and obviously a Godless Obamabot.
Catholics are voting McCain/Palin, at least the vast majority will.

“Always nice to see that although tree huggers want no one cutting anything down, they are fine with blowing it up.”

That’s a keeper Zeke!

I know alot of people in this town that fits that description

I may not even agree with the premise of a video like the one you posted, as long as it peeks my thoughts and imagination.

I would think that ALL LIFE is of equal value when all is said and done.

As a Lifeguard, one is taught to not put ones’ self in jeopardy in process of saving someone else. This is the difference be indifference and caring.

Yet many have done just so. Into the breach of Humanity these souls come and go. Shall we ensure their return?

My spirit maybe vexed, but the principles that it is guided by are relentless. They do not allow for anything but choosing life.

Such are the priorities of caring.

What are the priorities of indifference?
Ask BO.

avwrobel – Calling pro-life advocates “non-thinkers” because they don’t think like you doesn’t seem like a thinker’s argument. Just another ad hominem attack.
People can disagree with you without being a “non-thinker.” Think about it.

This ad scares the shit out of me – not that it will entice people to vote for McCain/Palin (I may do that myself!) but that it exists at all.

I am so sick of religion intruding in our political system I can spit nails.

Keep your beliefs to yourself and I will keep mine out of your life.

DO UNTO OTHERS…is the only religion I need.

Maybe you should say an extra prayer for the Eagles, Steelers are gonna kick butt !!!

I know EXACTLY how you feel!
Still not voting for Obama, though!

Catherine,,
You are so correct. I never voted for Bush because he was an empty suit
I’m not voting for Obama for the same reason.
I know many people that are hypnotized the same way they were in 2000.
As people say..You can’t fix stupid!!

I do not think that Roe v. Wade is in any danger. We’ve had a Republican Prez for 8 years and a Republican majority in Congress for six of those years and nothing was ever attempted. I believe it will always be safely in place. To me, pro choice means that women have control over their own bodies and decisions about their bodies cannot be made by anyone else.

Ad is geared towards catholics. Noone else. I wouldn’t sweat it.

If Obama attempts to demonize catholics he will lose the election for sure.

You know I believe life begins at conception as well but i’m pro choice, becauese i don’t have to feed your kid, nor do i like seeing actual children abuse. But the reason I voting aginst obama is because i don’t like fascist, and I don’t like what happens to people when they support obama. there for this democrat could care less about the republican platform, because at least they know what country they live in, because evidently you think we are in nazi germany or china, and i’m not tolerating that for 4 years.

I DOUBT THIS AD IS GOING MAINSTREAM – IT’S 3 MINUTES LONG!

I THINK IT’S ONLY FOR CATHOLICS IN A BIBLE-STUDY ENVIRONMENT.

I agree that this is profound! Being a proud democrat until this year, I supported pro-choice and gay marriage not because it is what I believe in personally, those issues mean nothing to me, I would never have an abortion and I am not gay or have gay friends that are the marrying type…but because I believe in people having rights. Alot changed this year for when I could see through the DNC’s BS. Now that I have 3 little boys in this world I don’t know if I want to continue to fight for things that I don’t myself believe in when the world is getting so ugly. Who is someone caring about my right to have my kids grow up in the world I want them to? I am starting to think about myself for a change! How about that change, Obama? I supported civil rights my whole life just to be told by the world I must be a racist for voting for Hillary. I am not a religious person but I do believe in Human life, I have always made fun of pro-life people supporting the death penalty but this year I searched myself and found that maybe babies are worth more than murderers… if I care about Iraqi lives I should care about the aborted babies too. The DNC will could have never predicted what this election has done to me… I am turning into a conservative on these issues and others. I am almost embarrassed at my formal self. I wasn’t even for Hillary at first because I was so far left of normal. I had let my anger over Bush do it to me… it made me such an extreme lefty like the far right republicans who hated Hillary at all costs. I am glad I have found all my marbles! I am glad this election had made me think for myself.

thumbs up on the analysis.

I was born because abortion was illegal. I am so pro-choice. I just want more and more people to choose life. Maybe if more people really knew what was at stake they would make a different decision. But I am not for thrusting anything down anyones throat. It must always remain a personal decision.

Paul you’re full of it

I’m 52, have been around the world a few times, lived in a few countries and know MANY women that have had to terminate their pregnancies!

Keep making up shit

I’ll not soon believe you

I’ve been around

In general, Women do NOT use abortion as birth friggen control!!

get over your prejudice
good night

“L” I think Mr.murder has a point. The Catholic church did turn a blind eye to the molestation of innocent children.

I am very tired and apologize for the typos above… but I guess the point is taken…must sleep…

Ed, your above point is well taken. I did not mean you could not raise a kid. Just have one. BUT, as you said you can impregnant someone(obviously!duh)
But, for me as a parent and someone who has 2 kids and my wife had them at a young age this issue hits home for me. Because i have alot of friends who have had abortions.
That is why i said it is used(IN SOME ABORTIONS DAWNELLE, NOT ALL) as birth control
They very well could have had the baby but their choice was to abort. In some cases the man who gets the girl pregnant never even knows the girl is pregnant and has an abortion.
I mean no disrespect to anyone here.

Jay, so you think god approves of the 45 million children aborted? We are all gods children. With that said, do you think god wants us to have life? or be burned in a womb? or whatever other ways a baby is aborted.
Also some seem to think it is only a womens choice. What about the father? they have no say? Really? you think men are just useless sperm donors?

Are we to assume then that Maybe if you smoked less pot you could have written non maudline tripe?

Lets not forget Madison avenue is responsible for some of the most offensively trite shit to polute our collective conciousness.

Case and Point: the Budweiser Frogs

I thought the commercial was beautifully done. But not persuasive. I am a Catholic and it doesn’t move me. I take issue with the underlying premise that being pro-choice and pro-gay marriage are the same as being anti-family and lacking “American” values. The appeal to patriotism is extremely cynical. Broadening the context to include the entire world is over-reaching. In the end it doesn’t change any one’s position.

i am with you. GO STEELERS!!!! I am a small town PAguy!!

HaHa.

Funny stuff really.

Bush Jr, is Obama’s fault.

Have you nut cases registered RecallObama.com yet?

Looking for your new Ken Star to spend millions to root around your fantasies?

The funniest part are your delusions that Obama pays people $7 hr to refute you mental midgets.

If more people new the laughs one can get reading this site for 20 minutes a day, there would be way more of us.

Because we feel sad for most of you we keep this place our dirty little secret.

BTW we have a pool going for how long until Hampster’s wife leaves him for an Obama man.

LOL.

Kathy, In my humble opinion, the story about stones and glass houses is about moral equivalents BEING equal.

Humans~! Believing in a all knowing “being”! Pahh. Who am I to be judged by? The words in a book? I think not.

The content of my Character is fair game.

That is one of the most convoluted arguments for abortion I’ve ever heard. To say, “If Palin were my mother…” is absurd because you not only DON’T know Palin personally, but you are dismissing what Palin’s daughter, Bristol, wanted. Are you saying that you can speak for her? The Catholic Church would never “look at your children and tell them it is wrong that they are here.” Never. How they came about is not important to the Church, the fact that they are here and were not aborted is important to the Church.

Who are you to judge Palin and say she is angry, immature, and resentful? What gives you that authority to say that about someone you’ve only seen on TV or heard about on the Internet?

Your abortions are between you and God. The Church may not approve of abortions, but they always available for support if you need them. You had the option of having those children and putting them up for adoption. The Catholic Church would have paid for your medical bills and handled the adoption of your children if you wanted. They give options…abortion just isn’t one of them.

I question your use of the word “non-thinkers”
for those who disagree with you. I am for a woman’s
right to chose,but I am also for personal responsibility. There are so many options to prevent
pregnancy now that it seems really irresponsible
for someone to have multiple abortions or late
term abortions unless the life of the mother is
at stake. I prefer to think of “non-thinkers” as
those who are intolerant of the views of others.

This must have been one of the most powerfull ad that I have ever seen and I am not even religious.

Right. And according to the Bible there are mortal sins like rejecting Jesus Christ and denying God exists. Not to get into a theological debate–just responding to her question in her post.

Maybe she read all sins are equal in the Book of Mormon or somewhere like that.

No one mentioned that this is not a hard sell. Both tickets are mentioned, and a call is made to vote your conscience.

I agree with the concept. We need a moral compass. I find that lacking in the BO campaign. Being proud of thuggery, election stealing, political payoffs with taxpayer money, and gangsta rap is the antithesis of being moral.

No one is clean, not priests or Republicans or Democrats. But in this election, McCain Palin is looking better. Palin took on corruption in her own party and resigned a lucrative government position. McCain has been not afraid over the years to buck his own party and work with dems to stand up for his beliefs.

If this ad helps defeat BO, good.

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Indeed, Jeremiah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7JVxE2SYxo

How can you make an informed comment without even watching the ad? That’s like folks wanting to ban a book without reading it first. Or, are you simply anti-Catholic or anti-moral values and the fact that someone says it is promoting both sufficient for you to ‘say me too’?

Wow – you have issues……

You left out “the resurrection of the body”

It’s an ad geared toward Catholics, lapsed and practicing, it is a reminder to them. No conversion tactics, and seriously as it was said up thread, If o is foolish enough to bash this ad after, attending the church of his choosing, well, it won’t sit well.
Also, the Catholics are all over the map after the 2000 election, the death of the Pope and the litgation against the church.
I don’t think this ad is any more than that. Just as an ad speaking to any group of voters as a collective.
As most voters don’t agree 100% with their candidate, most church goers don’t agree 100% with their church
doctrine.

Fred we have civil discussions here. Please refrain from speaking like a troll.

not to be condecending but pray for forgiveness the next time you use an antimicrobal soap, because bacteria qualify as life as well. Don’t get me wrong I cant kill a spider or cricket, but i’m a smart ass.

No no no no no! My nephew plays for the Eagles and I know we’re gonna clean the Steelers’ clock!

Of course, I also knew we were gonna wipe the floor with the Cowboys.

Seriously – when you have an Eagle in the family it makes you soooo much more of a rabid fan.

GO BIRDS!

I completely agree with everything you said pasmalltowngirl.

I am for gay marriage and I am pro-choice but as I’ve gotten older (54 years old yesterday) I don’t think I could get an abortion for myself. I don’t have anything against anyone else getting one because that is their choice (pro-choice) but for myself I know now that I am pro-life.

I got an abortion 10 years ago and I went on to marry the wonderful man. I don’t think there are two or three days that go by that I don’t think about the child that could have been and regret that decision I made ten years ago.

I have always been a liberal and if someone had told me I would still be feeling this way 10 years later I would have called them a damn liar.

So needless to say this was a VERY powerful video for me. Very well done but I’m afraid it’s going to turn off some fence sitters and turn them towards Obama. Religion and politics should not mix.

McCain/Palin ’08

OK, eww….I saw her on TV the other day.

3 Abortions?

Who did she get drunk?

ee, it is FACT they hire poeple to blog. so your just as stupid as you sound. CNN and FOx have both reported obama’s paid trolls. Try again.

As a Latin Mass Catholic I found most of the ad okay.

Honestly, what I’d prefer are ads exposing Obama’s position on BAIPA, as well as ads showing how highly developed a baby is at five weeks in the womb.

When my sister in law goes to have sonograms, the nurses, even if they consider themselves pro-choice, call the fetus a baby, for that is what it is.

that is her constitutional right to do so

Powerful video.

Found this link on the Catholic Vote web page:

New Obama Ad Calls Abortion Survivor, John McCain “Sleazy Despicable Liars”

http://lifenews.com/nat4340.html

NOBODY is going to see this ad except for a few of us bloggers, so whats the point of us debating its impact politically.

McMain needs to come up with the ad saying Obama hates America, and then show some clips of Rev Wright, Father Pflegler,William Ayers and connect them to Obama.

Obama can complain all he wants, but all McCain has to say is it is exactly like the ad Obama ran on spanish TV.

NOBODY is going to see this ad except for a few of us bloggers, so whats the point of us debating its impact politically.

McMain needs to come up with the ad saying Obama hates America, and then show some clips of Rev Wright, Father Pflegler,William Ayers and connect them to Obama.

Obama can complain all he wants, but all McCain has to say is it is exactly like the ad Obama ran on spanish TV.

All of the articles on that site are fantastic.
Extremely eye-opening.

I find it very disturbing when Catholics or any other religion injects themselves in elections in this country. Perhaps because I am a strict Constitutionalist.

It really is VERY SCARY to me.

It is REALLY VERY anti-democratic to me.

Too many people can be so easily lulled into doing the most anti-american things by a few symbols…a few words…and a little music

Fascists and Communists know this VERY WELL indeed.

Beware..do be constantly diligent against these mesmerizing BS

Ed, your above point is well taken. I did not mean you could not raise a kid. Just have one. BUT, as you said you can impregnant someone(obviously!duh)

But, for me as a parent and someone who has 2 kids and my wife had them at a young age this issue hits home for me. Because i have alot of friends who have had abortions.
That is why i said it is used(IN SOME ABORTIONS DAWNELLE, NOT ALL) as birth control
They very well could have had the baby but their choice was to abort. In some cases the man who gets the girl pregnant never even knows the girl is pregnant and has an abortion.
I mean no disrespect to anyone here.

Jay, so you think god approves of the 45 million children aborted? We are all gods children. With that said, do you think god wants us to have life? or be burned in a womb? or whatever other ways a baby is aborted.
Also some seem to think it is only a womens choice. What about the father? they have no say? Really? you think men are just useless sperm donors?

John Smith are you like asking me speak as you would wish? are you saying speak as what you determined acceptable? I have been my own man for a very long long time SIR

I am not sure how you got anti-gay message out of this add. It was pro-life for sure and pro family but it did not mention anything about anti gay sentiment. If I am wrong please point out where it mentioned it was against gay people.

Powerful message, well produced, but WAAAAAAAAY too long to be an effective political ad. It needs to be 60 seconds or less in length. I’d tell whoever made it to cut it by about 2/3.

Well, I’m a Catholic. I try to live my faith as best I can (and it’s difficult sometimes). My gut feeling is that this ad is a mistake. On a practical political level, while Catholics make up a significant number of our population, we do not vote as a “bloc.” (Many supported Hillary in the Democratic primaries so you can see how “Catholics” can and will vote for a pro-choice politician). I think the Catholic vote is split and has been for decades. I don’t see how an ad like this would appeal to all Catholics. Catholics really are “catholic” (“of broad scope”) and run the gamut. And the U.S. is famous for what the Church calls “Cafeteria Catholics” who pick and choose the doctrines they want to live with and throw out the rest. Also, Catholics do a lot of work with the poor. Many Catholic hospitals put their balance sheets on the line by taking in more indigent people and the uninsured. So I think that “reducing” Catholics down to one issue is as pointless as reducing any other group to one aspect. As far as votes to Obama or votes to McCain, I suspect Catholics will break along the lines of “age,” the younger (under 40) going to Obama and the older turning to McCain or even staying home.

It seems like the new dem platform is animals before people… and we don’t want you “punished with a baby”. Wildlife is important but some on the left would protect a snake and kill a late term baby so the girl can attend Harvard and wait til she is 35 to have a baby so she can abort a special needs child… come on, you make me sick!

Love animals…with ketchup…power to the people!

Spot on.

Also – I too enjoy Dawnelle’t post’s so you damn well better stick around here. You have much to offer.

I think that’s exactly what’s being cooked up for the final week of the campaign. “How can we vote for a candidate who hates his own country?”

Lute, there seems to be a lot of resentment in your post. Maybe the immaturity you mentioned was overcome, but the resentment might still need some work.

Dan you nailed it. EXACTLY

Laughing uncontrollably, cut it out…..

JM08

“NOBODY is going to see this ad except for a few of us bloggers, so whats the point of us debating its impact politically.”

It’s been viewed almost 76,000 times on youtube in just a couple of weeks.

been there done that…

If life begins at conception, outlaw birth control pills.

Go ahead, crotch nazis…

…make the Pope’s day.

I’m pro-choice. The ad is well done, and I guess for those who have a strong view that life begins at conception, it might sway their vote.

Since 1982, I was registered and voted Democrat until June 3 2008, but in November I will vote for McCain/Palin. It’s not about issues, it’s about integrity and trust. I don’t see Obama having one iota of integrity and I don’t trust him. I’ll take my chances with McCain.

Comment by kgirl1028 | 2008-09-20 22:46:31

not to be condecending but pray for forgiveness the next time you use an antimicrobal soap, because bacteria qualify as life as well. Don’t get me wrong I cant kill a spider or cricket, but i’m a smart ass.

So killing innocent children is a joke to you? Now i know why i am becoming a republican after the 4th of November.
ssome on the left are disgustingly vile.

Interested Bystander, do you believe no innocents have been killed by the state? There is evidence otherwise. I am familiar with the Bible and still have one on my coffee table which I read fairly often even though I no longer consider myself Christian. Jesus taught redemption and forgiveness and told Peter in the Garden of Gethsemane to put away his sword when the Romans came to take him to his death. I believe his last words were to ask his Father to forgive those who had murdered him. To kill someone is to deny them the opportunity for redemption.Part of the Biblical justification is often misquoted: An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.

Your assumption that some women use abortion as birth control is not based on any statistic I have ever seen and you have never had to make the choice or you would understand how painful it is for most women emotionally. There is a point at which the soul enters and leaves the physical body (if you believe souls do exist) and you are not qualified to speak as an expert. Your opinion is based on your religious belief and nothing more and, while I respect that, it is not shared by everyone.

It is disappointing that the vp pick is not of a calibre for which one would hope. She does sound like nut.
Nevertheless, McKinney is a 6 term Rep, qualified, and the greens overall platform is acceptable. I would certainly prefer her to BHO or McCain.
Also, if a 3rd party candidate can get 5% of the vote they will qualify for federal matching funds, and ahve ballot access the same as the Repubs and Dems. After this, crap the last 3, election/s, I’ll take whatever I can get in alternatives.

Years ago Bill Clinton made a speech where his opinion on abortion was that it should be “legal, safe…and rare”.

Ideally we would all work on whichever part meant the most to us so that all three parts would be true.

I am guessing this ad will be directed to catholics. I am not a christian, and I found this to be a very effective ad.

I am very much pro-choice, which means I want CHOICE…now whether a woman chooses life or aborts a baby, I make no judgement, all I want is the choice available.

The partial birth abortion thing is WAYYYY too extreme for me. When I saw the ad for it, I was in tears! I had no idea that it meant letting a baby that comes out from a botched abortion die. That is way too extreme and frankly it is murder.

What I can’t imagine is how that fraud had no problems with it and approved this partial birth abortion law. Does he have no conscience?

FOr me, life does not begin at conception, but the potential for life does, which means after a certain point, it is life.

But I will have no problems voting for McPalin. I do not get the sense they are some right wing nuts. After all, Palin as the governor never once pushed any social issues. And frankly truth be told, I have to admire her for sticking with her convictions and having her little Trig.

And as a former dem, now a new independent, I don’t think most women sit ard thinking about aborting little babies, they are more worried about making sure those babies have good healthcare, good education, a good environment to be raised in.

Anyways, good ad, I as a lifelong dem, I still consider myself a Hillary dem, will enthusiastically vote for McPalin. There are bigger issues at stake than just abortion.

The ad is very well done. One of the questions I have been asking, is how can members of America’s most well known Catholic family . . . namely Caroline and Teddy Kennedy support Obama?

see: http://hillarynme.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/how-do-the-catholic-kennedys-support-obama/

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/politics/votenow/

vote hillary beat barky

Standard–
Who plays you on “Mad Men”?
And p.s., thanks to you and all the boys for promoting and perpetuating sexism. Heck of a job!

Fantastic production values, but to me, a crappy Catholic, it seemed heavy handed, preachy, overbearing and stultifying. It made ME (not anyone else, I’m talking about ME, now) want to tell the Catholic Church to stay the fuck OUT of my government, thanks much.

I’ll bet it will sway the One Issue (Abortion) voters, though. That IS the focus of the thing.

They should play it on EWTN and before and after every televised Sunday mass from now to Nov if they want to get their hooks in and get those folks out to the polls.

Here is the Original Ad
Its from BornAliveTruth.org not the mccain campaign
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s

Here is Obama’s Response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEBDNGLl5TQ
Notice he blames McCain

what a lying piece of shayt? I cant believe the democrats foisted this asstard on us.

They have done more than turn a blind eye for centuries.

This video = moral porn.

How about a video of 14 year old girl shaking in fear in a dark corner while her abusive, acholic, gun toting, uncle jerks of in the other room. Waiting to see if he finishes himself off or comes into her room again and uses her as he pleases.

Cut to a shelter volunteer huddled with the girl on a dingy street corner in the middle the wrong part of town, waiting for the van with the doctor to arrive.

Cut to a bloody girl pushed out of the van as it screeches away, the screaming shelter woman drowned out by the sirens chasing the illegal abortionist murders getting away.

Emotional ‘values’ videos are cheap thrills for junkies.

Not surprising the like are a hit here.

The Hispanic Community…many of whom are very traditional Catholics, will see this ad. Catholics who are senior citizens and most of whom are strict traditional and conservative Catholics will see this ad, and they are the ones who never forget to vote. I think it will help McCain enormously. I also agree with someone else on this blog that the votes of Catholics will split between the younger and the older Catholics. Many of the younger will stick with Obama’s hopey changey message–but they can’t always be depended on to vote, IMO.

That’s great!

So, are you saying that Catholics or anyone of religion have no right to vote or their opinion? Free speech is out for them, but not for those who don’t believe? How is that “Constitutional”?

What does the Constitution have to do with this? Don’t tell me the “separation of Church and State” because that phrase is not in the Constitution.

The ad made me cry. I’m a grown man, fromerly a Democrat and now Independent, well-educated, and believe deeply in a culture of life, although that has never been an issue that I have voted on. I am very conflicted about the issue because I believe it’s the wrong choice but not necessarily my choice.

But that’s not what makes me sad. What makes me sad is how vicious the attacks from the Left have been in this election on pro-Life Catholics, on Sarah Palin, and on persons of faith generally. I think what I have heard young people on the Left say about persons of faith, particularly about Evangelicals and conservative Catholics makes my stomach churn and, for the first time in my life, makes me absolutely despair and feel hopeless about the future of my country. That Sarah Palin should be so mocked and hated for living her expressed values makes me want to vomit.

Our culture has become so coarse and vulgar. I feel very sad and hopeless.

It all depends when you think life begins.

I don’t believe life begins at conception. If you do, that’s fine. I respect your belief.

But I’m also pro-choice and pro-capital punishment.

Also, what are the actual statistics on the rate of abortion?

Where I live, all these pregnant young girls are having their babies. And the culture today seems so geared toward single motherhood as well as marriage/parenthood and committed relationships.

And this notion that women use abortion as birth control. That seems so unrealistic. After all it is a medical procedure and as such, physically invasive. Most people don’t even want to have a tooth pulled unless it’s so painful they can’t stand it. Do you really think women want to lay on a table, under anesthesia, while a doctor invades their reproductive area?

When I hear that I shudder. I think it’s more likely that a woman who did this once, would get serious about birth control. And how much do abortions cost anyway? Birth Control pills, the morning after pill, condoms, diaphrams, IUDs, abstinence are so much cheaper

Any woman doing this over and over is either a drug addict or a professional. All others are probably one-timers.

Lots to agree and disagree with in the many thoughtful posts herein, but my feelings come closest to the above. (I was a Catholic, and the ad did not move me.) I don’t think it will change anyone’s position either.

Absolute! Same here, those who were supporting George W. Bush are supporting Soetoro/Obama.

And those who would not hear one word of criticism against George W. Bush are the same ones who won’t hear one word of criticism against Barry/Barack/ Soetoro/Obama!

It was these people extolling the virtues of Soetoro/Obama that made me look closer at the man right after he announced his candidacy because I simply didn’t trust their judgment.

Ad was very well done. Beautifully done.

I am a Catholic and am Pro Choice. I am for choice but not for abortion if that makes any sense. NOW says that’s impossible…heh.

I believe that woman should have abortion legal for rape, incest, health of Mother and some extreme cases for health of child. I also am with Hillary Clinton on this: rare, safe and available; with education, contraception and health care.

Choice is not about “just abortion”; it is about a woman’s right to chose and have control over her own body. It is about equality and responsibility.

We have to find a consensus.

I think that more that 30 million women in America have been intellectually robbed of their maternal instincts by the Anti child feminist movement and now many, many of these women are now the end of the line genetically as they are past their child bearing years. So, So many are highly intelligent career driven creative individuals and it is sad that this has created an intelligence deficit in the current generation by the loss of these women who many should have procreated. I know many who now regret not “breeding’ and are relegated to having pets as their “children’. This may partially explain the over the top visceral hate of gov. palin as she is a successful “breeder” and also has a career. I sincerely hope I have not offended anyone here as it is not my intention. Just a thought that may need debating.

Wow – you must not have read my entire post. Not catholic and rarely go to church.

Choice should always be legal. And I think the whole scarlet letter shit is ludicrous! Looney right wingers that are hell bent on pro-life need quit being so judemental.

I was just saying that I hoped that we would evolve to find solutions that embraced life. I also said earlie that this a a very volatile issue. How can we as a society find a way to overcome.

I feel much differently about abortion and what choice I would make now that I am older with children than I did when I was younger. Incidently, my daughter who used to be pro-life but is now in her 20′s sure is glad she has the option. Funny, how it changed when she was actually faced with dealing with consequences of failed birth control. Oh – by the way she was a choice I made at 20. But I was comfortably able to make that choice as I was soon to be college graduate (she was born 3 months after graduation)and had the full on support of my family. Not every is in that situation….

I agree with President Clinton on all three points.

No what i’m saying is that, life is life so you need to be realistic about it, and put it in perspective. I’m a nurse and abhore death and cruelty but i rather see a zygote get snuffed than to have a 10 month old baby die becasue someone at it’s day care left him out in a car on a hot summer day like one child did last summer, and why was he at this cheap day care for low income parents, cause mommy was out hitting the streets to find her a job, casue she and daddy aint together. i rather kill something before it has nerve endings, or learn that it’s parent can rape it, or lock it in a car and then let that care go into the river. I’d rather andea yates have had an abortion than drown all five of her kids, because they knew it was a chance she might have another relaps. You think abortion is bad, think about what it must have felt like to have your mother you trust hold you down underwater and not let you up for air. Some people just are not ready to and should not be parents. it’s mean but it’s true.

Get lost, PIG.

Same here, the parallels to the Bush campaign are disturbing.

Like you, I know many of the rabid supporters of Obama this year that were sporting their W stickers in 2004…

I was like a craze, like the gas lines that formed after the 9/11 attacks… only longer and more painful.

what about the rights of the three men she got drunk?

what about their rights?

Who the fuck are you talking to? Yourself? A “hit here?”
What, you hit yourself in the head?

Tool.

Good. This will irritate Phleger and all of the Obamapukes.

The ad made me feel protective of my children. I love them more than anything and am so glad that I made the choice to have all three of them.

I’m fascinated that people are threatened by this Catholic ad. This portrays the main doctrine of Catholicism. It’s not fringe; it’s the religion of some 70 million people in North America.

Is it any weirder than Jeremiah “Goddam Amerikkka” Wright’s religion? Or Joseph Lieberman’s Orthodox Judaism? Or Evangelical Christianity? Or devout Muslims?

This video was made for a target audience of adherents. it’s an ethnological artifact of current beliefs important to millions. Most people vote their beliefs, secular and/or religious.

Religious beliefs are fascinating to observe and necessary to many people. Maybe you have to be an atheist not to be threatened.

First, contrary to some comments, what does the ad have to do with pediphile priests who abused young boys? That is rather a problem with homosexual priests and a church that won’t police itself.

Now, about the culture of life this ad promotes, this is an incredibly strong message that will reverberate with anyone whe has moral values and a sense of responsibility. It is a sober reminder to Catholic voters and others who might view this that the election is about values and actions.

Consider the choice this year:

- Vote for McCain who clearly says “Life begins at conception”, or
- Vote for Obama who says all of this is ‘above my pay grade’ but does vote against life in case of viable baby born from abortion procedure.

And regarding homosexual rights… what are your choices? Aren’t both candidates against homosexual marriage and, as of last week, both are against revisiting the military’s ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy.

Overall, this is a very well done ad that unfortunately at 3-1/2 minutes won’t get much play. It’s audience is well beyond Catholics, of which I am one. This ad is at its core, reflective of what it is to be American–life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Tt’s success is that it promotes the values have have made our nation so successful and strong.

For myself, we celebrated my twin boys’ first birthday today. While it’s been an incredibly tough year that I didn’t think we’d survive, to think that someone might choose abortion for irresponsible reasons–e.g., birth control–is beyond the pale.

I did not use that phrase.
I refer to the First Amendment.

It is a religious belief that LIFE begins at conception.

Well that is not true I have already sent it to a number of my friends. I really think the ad is very well done. Yes it is talking about life but it talks about so much more. It talks about fighting for what you believe and value. Now that might be different for different people but is something that people have in common.

I knew girls in highschool (long ago) who had more than one abortion… no they use it instead of birthcontrol… not all but people do!

“Dawnelle”

Didn’t you see the articles about Hillary today? They are still there, made me cry this morning.

wow…ok i never liked you very much as a poster, but i have to admit….

crotch nazi…thats laugh out loud funny.

But seriously learn a little about how the body works.

Brith control pills are not the same thing as the morning after pill.

conception is when the sperm joins with the egg…not when the penis joins with the vagina.

Condoms, vaginal dams, vasectomies, oral sex, spermicidal creams and ointments, abstinance, ugly boy/girlfriends, living with your mother in law…there are so many ways to avid becomeing pregnant…really abortion should be a last resort not a slightly more complicated bikini waxing.

I am Catholic.
I never voted for Bush — or Republican for the past 20 years at all.
I am Pro-Choice.
I am not voting for Obama.
Roe v. Wade will not be overturned.

(by the way, I went to confession and had to say one Our Father and one Hail Mary after telling the priest that I had an abortion… I wasn’t told that I was going to hell or any of that sort. My priest merely said “Just talk to God like He’s your friend” — I’m a little insulted that you’re blaming Bush and the last 8 years on us.)

keep saying that to justify your position. i am not making anything up and you sound offended by truth.
i meant no offense but you took some.
No prejudice involved at all. Again close friends and family have had them.
Alot of them had the means to raise the child and chose not to. Fine that is their choice but if they have the means to raise the child what do you call it then Dawnelle? I call it birth control.
They controled the birth with an abortion.
moralize however you want.
45 million beautiful babies have never looked at the sun and took a breath of fresh air. Why?
Because poeple want to have sex and not take care of what comes along with it.
They put their lives ahead of their childs.
If that is okay with you fine. It is not by me.
I sacrificed my adult life to do what is right. Not what is easy. I am 23 with daughters 2 and 4.
My wife and I did not take theasy way out. We did what is right. These aborted children have every right to life as you do. poeple hide immorality in the term right to choose. Right to choose what? the death of a kid because they do not want it. That child wants them.
Again, i agree in certain situations yes. But, if a women and man are simply not ready to have a kid they should not be ready to have sex. The women could have the kid and give it to a family that desperatly wants a kid an cannot have one. Or give it to Ed, or another gay person who would love to have a kid. Children are precious i have 2 of them. it is the hardest task in life to raise kids at my age. but they deserve all of the inalienable rights i do. They deserve to feel loved. Not left behind so someone can continue on with their life. If a women has 4-5 abortions dawnelle what do you call that? a choice or birth control.

Oh yeah and I wasn’t joking about a spider i do have a serious problem killing anything. What’s disgusting is high minded people who think they are always right. It’s why i’m not voting for obama. Humans are not the only remarkable or innocent form of life on this planet. every time you put a rat trap down, you are killing something you don’t have the ability to recreate so don’t get high and mighty on me.

yeah as a gay man, i would like to say i know many straight people with children.

You are saints some of you because if your kids were my kids i would have drowned those obnoxious brats.

A poster right here in this thread said she had 2 abortions because IUD’s were “unreliable” was I think the word she used, so don’t say it doesn’t happen.

There are so many assumptions and judgments being made in your comment, maybe you should go through it line by line to see how many are fallacious. First you assume if a woman uses birth control there’s no way she’ll get pregnant. wrong!

Second you assume that because a woman has reached child-bearing age, she’s should be able to raise a child. wrong!

Then you ask the silly question do you have any kids? brothers? … what if they had been aborted? Well then they never would have been around to become kids, sisters? brothers, etc. I know that’s exactly your point. But my response is “you can’t miss what you never had” so it’s a meaningless question in this discussion.

You also seem to feel it’s society’s place to make moral judgments about women who want abortions and codify those judgments in the form of HUGE restrictions. Those restrictions would deny abortions to those irresponsible fornicators who kill their babies because they’re not ready.

Lastly you assume that there are enough adoptive parents out there for every child that is born as a result of an abortion not had. Wrong!

escuse me?

I resent this ad. Minus the soaring music that most of us, at least subliminally, associate with Christian worship services, it’s just another extravagant piece of religious propaganda injecting itself into a secular, constitutionally mandated election. It’s also divisive in that it infers that only Catholics are concerned with issues of morality. And someone might gently remind the makers of this ad that the framers and signers of the United States Constitution were exclusively Protestants, and Protestants who fought tooth-and-nail to keep religion far removed from government.

by the way, i thought the advert was very powerful

“The Family/Must Be Strengthened/Not Redefined”: images show a family sitting at a table praying (strengthened/the right way) vs a gay couple getting married (redefined/the wrong way)

She (Texas Darlin) left a comment last week and her blog is up and running again (it was down for a while). I also would like to know what happened. She and Techdude did a lot of research on the BO birth records.

The Catholic vote will go to McCain. With or without this ad. Abortion is springing back up as a hot topic in Catholic churches now that Palin is on the ticket. Biden will not help with the Catholics.
McCain/Palin 08

You’re beginning to sound like your mentor, the Rev.Jeremiah Wrong.

I’d like to see YOUR statistics, that an EXPENSIVE, INVASIVE and painful procedure would be used routinely as BIRTH CONTROL, in a day and age where the morning after pill is easily procured.

Sure, so many women think nothing of running the gauntlet of pro-life nuts outside the clinic on a routine basis to get “vacuumed out” because they are what–too lazy, too scatterbrained?–to attend to contraceptive needs.

You’re the one who’s slinging the bullshit, here, not Dawnelle. Cough up some proof, or begone.

Yes, Governor Palin put a real-life face on choice. She shows inspiring courage to act on her beliefs—wish more politicians were as honest and true to their beliefs.

How convenient. Now you’re referring to the Amendments as opposed to the “strict” Constitution. The First Amdendment does protect the “free exercise” of religion, so by all means keep the add where it is.

Well Biden brought religion into the election when he opened his mouth about ST. Agustin.

All religious and non-religious have every right to vote ofcourse..

No religious group should proselytize their religious based prejudice/beliefs to the general voting public.

I speak as someone who understands what it is to be pro-life personally, BUT fully understanding and accepting that IT IS a religious belief..thus as a secular citizen of these United States..NOT NEVER to impose those beliefs onto fellow citizens..and that is why I am comfortable being pro-choice without it being a dichotomy

Render unto Caesar…

I was a little weirded out by the Omen type music and wasn’t that a democratic ballot they showed?

I wish the Obama is scary thing was a little more clear.

that will be the margin of votes that McCain wins Pennsylvania by.

Here’s a very recent poll that examines religious affiliation and presidential preference. http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=349

There’s a discussion of the poll by the Zogby organization, which does polling of Catholics for LeMoyne College on a regular basis. http://www.zogby.com/templates/printsb.cfm?id=18333

Zogby observes:

Observant Catholics are returning to the Republican fold now that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has joined the GOP ticket – a shift that looks to be more enduring than a postconvention bounce.

But the trends are different among Hispanic Catholics.

Here’s an example of a Zogby poll on American Catholic attitudes, done for LeMoyne. http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1475

Susan: A very thought provoking diary. Thanks.

jeebus, but you are are a freaking psychopath. I hope you’re locked up somewhere and this is just your hour access.

Not you, JGDAW. I’m talking about the hater. We KNOW your religion! LOL

What good is a 3-and-a-half minute ad? Who watches it?

Then evidently you disagree with the First Amendment then, which protects the “free exercise” of religion. Which is it?

“ee” You’re a sick pervert! What I said to “L” has no place in your sick scenario.

John Smith:

Go look at the ad again. The part where it says the family should be strengthened not redefinded shows two men getting married. That’s clearly an anti-gay message

And this brings up a pet peeve with ACLU types who crow about the Constitutional protection of separation of Church and State, when that’s not even in the Constitution. What dolts. Not referring to any poster here, just a general gripe about ill-informed liberals.

The problem is that no matter how convincing the ad to inspire Catholics to vote their conscience, and that will mean NOT Obama/Biden…

this is way way way more complex, Soros and Ayers, America Vote! and ACORN and mafia-esque interferences may negate the actual will of the people

See this youtube

it is SO SCARY what Obama REALLY represents
the end to America as we’ve known it

youtube.com/watch?v=SPM8Vi-rHS8

SOROS/AYERS : GO. TO. HELL.

So you agree with me?

Unlike 85% of the respondents in this thread?

Was your objection limited to me characterizing this site as a site that uses cheap appeals to emotion to score political points?

According to resident lunatic NewHampster if we discuss the validity of that argument I win. Just by making you discuss it I win.

I love that guy.

But seriously, most of the liberal democrats here seem to love all this right wing nonsense. I thought that was self evident.

I’m tired of churches getting involved in politics. I don’t care which church it is. I think their tax exempt status is bogus. If you mix in politics you lose your tax exempt status. It’s that simple to me. But then I’m an agnostic.

How does it make me FEEL?

It makes me want to vomit. I can live without such a blatant, over the top appeal to emotions.
But Americans wil eat it up with a spoon, since it does not operate on the cognitive level( ie critical thinking), but rather of emotionas, guilt and the gut -basic physiological responses to certain sorts of music and images.

It’s intellectually cheap, and very, very easy to understand…Cheap and easy, and will appeal to pro-life crowd. I don’t see how this helps McCain, since those guys were going to vote for him anyway.

BTW, that one Knight of Columbus with the sunglasses looks like he belongs in a Terry Gilliam film.

Unlike Wright who preaches politics at the pulpit, if a candidate’s values jibe with a religion, that’s just the way it is.

How old are you? I don’t think this add was intended for everybody but it will resonate with the people in PA,OH,MI and that is all that counts.

Theatrically it’s great.

sick scenario that happens thousands of times a year.

Even in ‘gated communities’ where republicans live. Even Catholic republicans. And Baptist democrats. You name the demographic and you’ll find abusive men raping their defenseless family members.

Sarah and John want more inbred babies of rape.

I found the video to be very well done and powerful. I believe that the video hits at the core values of all Catholics and most Protestants. I think this video will make the individual watching it to really stop and think about what she/he values the most.

You’re a little testy tonight Matthew. Is it because Dawnelle brought up Texas Darlin? I did whatch it and think the ad is suffocating and pious. I agree with athy. It will turn off many of Hillary’s supporters because, even if we decide to vote for McCain, most of us are pro choice. All Churches should stay out of politics and should lose their tax exemption if they don’t. The US is not a Theocracy.

As a lapsed Catholic, who is both pro-choice and not opposed to same sex marriage, I have to admit that this ad is moving and plays well to emotion. That said, once rational thought overcomes the emotion of theology, the final answer is “no sale”. I don’t think that, out of the sixteen million catholics this ad is aimed at, a majority are single issue voters.

Ditto

what a sick thing to say.

I think it was a big f-you to Ted Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy and Joe Biden – all Catholics – all for abortion rights.

Yea I got that the second time around. It was done very quickly.

What good is a 3-and-a-half minute ad? Who watches it?

Good point. I meant to mention that it’s waaaay to long, but failed to do so.

I find myself wondering if this “ad” is less about the election and more about keeping catholics on the plantation.

I’m cynical, eh?

Given its intended audience – Catholic voters – I find this ad extremely persuasive. That is, it espouses the official views of the Catholic Church; and it encourages votes based on those views. Indeed, I found the strongest selling point was its call to vote on issues, implicitly eschewing other motivators such as party or personality.

The government establishing a religious concept to all citizens is the establishing of a religion.

There is no secular scientific concensus that life begins at conception.

The baby in the womb images are manipulative.

It doesn’t answer the question what really defines life?

For me, life is when the soul is in the body. When you view a body in a casket at a wake what’s missing? It’s the breath of life. The body is still, frozen, lifeless, without breath.

I heard someone on tv talk about being in the delivery room with his wife and the doctor let him deliver the baby in the last stages. The man described the moment when the baby took it’s first breath as being stunningly spiritual, like a vibration that went through his body surrounded by light. He shared this with the doctor and the doctor responded, “That’s why I love delivering babies. So that I can experience that moment over and over.”

So although I don’t believe in late term abortions because the potential of life is so present at that point, for me life really doesn’t begin until that first breath is taken. In some eastern religions, they believe that’s when the soul enters the body. And for me, the soul is what defines life.

This is what I believe and just like the rest of us, I have no way of proving if I’m right or wrong.

For that reason, I feel that choice in a democracy is the fairest way. By all means, have your baby if that’s what you want. It’s a blessing. But I feel deeply for women who are not in the moment to take on the responsibility of parenthood and I want them to have the right to choose.

Because nothing sickens me more than to hear about young children who have been abused, neglected and subjected to the most horrific of circumstances. In NYC a mother is on trial for allowing her husband, the stepfather, to brutally beat her 6 or 7 year old daughter and let her suffer for days until she died and did nothing. He had been sexually molesting the little girl as well. And another little boy in May, abandoned by his crackhead mother into the foster care of 2 demons who also molested him and beat him unmercifully to death. He was under 5.

So you can have all of your innocent breathless images of the fetus in the womb and act like they are the suffering. NO! The kids who were born into lives of parents who were unprepared emotionally for them are the ones who are suffering.

Choice is humane because it doesn’t strip anybody’s right to be pro-life.

It’s up to you!

As it should be!

I not sure about your references but that aside, I don’t think this ad is really that religious at all. Yes, it is Catholic, but are not the moral values and topic matter discussed or shown, still meaningful regardless of religion? Isn’t this part of the problem with Obama’s SF rant about people clinging to religion? He insulted people for the values through his disrespect of their religion.

Government isn’t establishing a religious concept.

What you describe is porn, ee.

Try cutting to a shelter where they give the girl a few pills to swallow.

Moron.

hmmm “athy” I hadn’t thought about it like that but you are right.

Everyone has the freedom to exercise their religion BY NOT HAVING AN ABORTION if they ao choose.

The gigantic leap is to impose those beliefs onto others who might or are free of any religious beliefs.

Therein is what would be unconstitutional in my opinion

Your comment is powerful. Thank you for writing it. Having children of your own changes your outlook on life the way nothing else ever will.

This kind of arguments don’t help anybody. It shows how some people have no respect for life. What happened to that boy is tragic but I am sure there are lots of kids in poor families that are very happy.

So with that logic if you are poor you should have your tubes tied and can’t have children. So at what income level do you think it is OK to have a child. Oh and what happens if the father devorses the mother during her pregency should then the baby be aborted?

You shouldn’t use the terms secular and scientist in the same sentence. As a chemist, I can tell you that science is science and needs no subjective adjective to describe it. I am not a secular chemist but an analytical chemist. You need to brush up on your vocabulary and then, when you become a scientist, LilBoy, come back and post this twaddle again, if you dare.

The Religious Initiative funding that our tax dollars go to, sponsors its airing at the local church, school board, classroom, library even.

Maybe Palin can fire the Library of COngress director and get this thing IMAXed.

After Obama looses all these crazed kool-aid drinkers will go back where they came from and you will not hear much from them anymore. The people obama got to do his bidding are a far left and they are just as crazy as the far right.

Lute, you have some anger issues. Do you want to talk about it?

Ditto on my post above yours McKatmoon

So do I.

What pro-lifers fail to understand is that they are depriving us the freedom to choose. Pro-choicers don’t do that to you. You have the right to live your pro-life philosophy.

Which is why I found the attacks on Palin bringing her Down’s Syndrome child to term were so hateful, and not representative of the pro-choice philosophy. What’s wrong with these liberal Democrats? The kool-aid they’re swilling is really dangerous stuff.

Bill is wise. Of course, abortions should be legal, safe and most important RARE!

I’m a pro choice PUMA and I see the ad for what it is,just an ad. People here are acting like at the drop of a hat we PUMAs will go running. Let me make this absolutely clear…I will never, ever, vote for Obama period.

http://marklevinshow.com/wp-content/themes/levin/player/?url=http://podloc.andomedia.com/dloadTrack.mp3?prm=2824xhttp://abcrad.vo.llnwd.net/o1/levin/rss/levin09192008.mp3

You sir are the one who should do a bit of research of what “secular scientist” connotes in this arguement

I have known quite a few girls/women who have had abortions and I had to have one myself. Of those I’m the only one who wasn’t using it as birth control. I think the video was pretty moving. I think abaortions should be legal, safe but rare. When I think/hear about late term abortions I want to throw up. I am not a one isssue voter and am not sure how many people really are. Roe v Wade has been around for 30+ years and think the Pelosi’s of the world use it as a scare tactic.

Holy shit!
Oh, my god.

That is the best production of the season.

My wife does some kick ass stuff for groups like

http://www.ChristiansForTheMountains.org

But this knocked my socks off.

Forget about the idea of agreeing or not with the message. That is some good shit.

My hat is off to the producer of that video.

I had the same reaction….and it’s very long with lots of words to READ….
Hard to last through the whole thing….

I’m so sick of religion and politics…

Excellent ad.

Exactly, it isn’t always about the “forced” carrying and birthing of a child. There are and have been options for 40 years, birth control, being prepared, morning after pill, all kinds of means and ways; yet there is also the right to give birth. The ad reinforces those who are pro-life, and it isn’t anything new that Catholics are divided on this. It is an ad on the site Catholic vote, which I assume is geared towards Catholics. Not a McCain or Palin site, not a government site, just keeping it honest.

It will be watched online on YouTub it was watched by more then 76,000 people. What do you think will happen when they show this in every church in the country.

Really?

Where will these magic pills be produced? How much will they cost?

What will the penalties be for smuggling, dealing, or possessing these pills?

RU486. $20k a dose?

Nah. Palin and McPain are just pandering for votes when they tells us that is a world they want.

Obama is the real enemy. Yeah that’s the ticket. And you are all liberal Democrats. Sure.

This ad repulsed me on more levels than I care to describe. It reeks of self-righteous bigotry. Suffice it to say that if we move any closer to a nation that cares about zygotes than the myriad of other issues affecting the entire planet, then we are doomed. Religious extremism is at the core of why we are in this mess. Yuck.

You still sound like a troll though.

I guess this was not made for you. Although, I don’t see what is there to vomit about. The ad celebrates life. I guess you would say. “How dare anybody celebrate life”

I know it is sick and horrible. But it is what Palin and McPain have said. Over and Over.

That is, it espouses the official views of the Catholic Church; and it encourages votes based on those views.

I’d like to note that the photo of the pope wearing all his papal regalia in a stadium is a direct visual comparison to Obama and his stadium crowd.

The makers of this bit of tape are drawing an unmistakable visual between the two. They are saying,”See, we have a rock star too”

The whole thing makes me want to hurl because people will fall for it almost entirely because of the production values and the effect said production values have on human emotions.

Who told you Pelosi’s daughter has had three abortions? I loath Pelosi, but it’s time to stop throwing out statements you say are facts and not backing them up.

It’s also time to talk about illegal abortions and what they really mean to women. No government will ever be able to prevent abortions, they just drive them underground to septic, dirty environments or to coat hangers or other means. You have no idea how creative a desperate woman can be.

Dawnelle is right. This conversation is not helpful in winning votes for McCain and only someone completely unfamiliar with the process would claim it is used as a method of birth control.

Day 1: fertilization: all human chromosomes are present; unique human life begins.

Day 6: embryo begins implantation in the uterus.

Day 22: heart begins to beat with the child’s own blood, often a different type than the mothers’.

Week 3: By the end of third week the child’s backbone spinal column and nervous system are forming. The liver, kidneys and intestines begin to take shape.

Week 4: By the end of week four the child is ten thousand times larger than the fertilized egg.

Week 5: Eyes, legs, and hands begin to develop.

Week 6: Brain waves are detectable; mouth and lips are present; fingernails are forming.

Week 7: Eyelids, and toes form, nose distinct. The baby is kicking and swimming.

Week 8: Every organ is in place, bones begin to replace cartilage, and fingerprints begin to form. By the 8th week the baby can begin to hear.

Weeks 9 and 10: Teeth begin to form, fingernails develop. The baby can turn his head, and frown. The baby can hiccup.

Care to tell me how a 14 yr old girl getting repeatedly raped by a family member fits into your post above about the ‘options’ available?

There is an other way to look at it.

Life is the most important thing in the world and preserving it and nurturing it is the responsibility of all. This includes clean water, food, healthy environment, and so on… With that in mind what repulses you about the add?

OMG ee, give it up already! Enough with the Roe V Wade Threat!! Come on! Obama is gonna lose! You can’t threaten us to vote for him the way his thugs threatened people in the caucuses! We’re not buying!! NObama – NOway! Get over it!

athena – beautifully said and a much needed change for our country.

Life has become so cheap here – human life, that is.

So many value trees, plants, bugs and animals more than human life.

This is the beginning of a downward spiral to the destruction of a nation.

The most innocent, the most helpless are literally left to die:

Obama and Live Birth Abortion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

Ayers was most likely a Gladio operative working in America.

The BND used Gladio elements in Germany to shape elections there. So did SISMI. The UK trained a lot of them.

Why not do the same thing here?

athena they were replying to lute.

Now I have to go look up a bunch of words.

It was also about unity with all relgions and people and bringing peace to our world.

As one of the 67 million Catholics in the U.S., I think as I’ve thought for over thirty years – the Catholic church is out of touch with the reality of the world. The ad advocates moral values are banning abortion and assisted suicide and then shows us children in Africa, who are less likely to live to the age of five than anywhere else in the world.

I think the Catholic church does much for the world in the way of charity and meeting the spiritual and social needs of it’s parishioners. But this ad, giving the message that everything people hold sacred – moral values – is at stake in this election and is more important than our livelihoods, energy, environment health and welfare – is very unrealistic.

On the bright side, at least the Vatican isn’t telling us the world is coming to an end and we need to get to Wasilla to be saved, that an African American going after the American middle class dream is a no-no or Senator Obama is our savior. It’s just the standard Vatican line, terribly out of touch with the reality of the world and refusing to face facts.

In 1988 I chose to have my twin Down Syndrome girls, Rachel and Rebecca. They were born 2 and 1/2 months early and Rebecca died four weeks after she was born.

I wanted to raise Rachel, but found myself overwhelmed. My ex-husband and I placed our baby, Rachel, into an adoptive home after much thought and prayer.

Stephanie, Rachel’s adoptive mother, was praying that God would give her a baby girl with Down Syndrome and she wanted to name her “Rachel.” She found us.

Rachel is 19 years old now. My daughter and son, Bethany (24) and Joel (22), are free to see their sister anytime they want.

We were on 20/20 back in 1991 and Stone Phillips asked me, “So you don’t believe in abortion and yet you chose to give your baby up for adoption. How do you rationalize that?” I said, “Abortion is about taking a life, adoption is about giving a life. We gave our baby the best life she could have.”

I was criticized by many for my choice.

I still believe it was a good choice for everyone.

You should see what they did to unwed mothers pre Roe.

Nowadays they don a veneer of love and forgiveness
for mothers without husbands,but having been the unhappy recipient of catholic hate and fear of the pregnant unmarried womb way back when, I know better.

It’s all about the voting booth from here on in.

I’ve been saying this to 0bama all along:

WIN WITHOUT ME!

That and this bullshit “rulemaking” by Bush vis a vis contraception …Jeebus…what are they thinking…unless Bushco wants Obama, which wouldn’t surprise me one bit…

This is Identity Politics,pure and simple.

Remember, it takes a man and a woman to
make a baby. We need to make our men, boys, more accountable for their actions since they also affect society as a whole.

I think it is already a painful decision for a woman,or teen, to go through the trauma of an abortion. Let’s not make it also dangerous for the woman’s health.

Our society is composed of people with different beliefs, religious/non religious, educational and economic backgrounds. Even a large percentage of our families units do not fit the “traditional” definition in our times. Not everybody is for “abstinence only”.

There have been abortions for centuries
before us and there will be more in the
future whether we want it or not. Our responsibility as a civilized society is to protect our citizens health, and that includes access to age appropriate sexual education, access to birth control methods (including condoms for boys), and when it has to come to that point, an abortion procedure should be available in a clean, professional and safe setting. Just the way healthcare providers treat other medical conditions or perform other surgeries and procedures.

Civil laws and rules exist to ensure order, safety, stability and productivity in our society, and I’m glad we have them, so none of us can impose our religious views, however well intended, on the liberties of others.

Abstinence until marriage may be the ideal situation many of us wish for our children, but will this be the case?

I realize that this add could have been used against any other pro-choice candidate (such as Hillary). And I also realize that choice means just that. I can also choose to bring my beautiful children into this world to a family environment that is safe and nurturing.

So, back to prevention AND safety.

I like the “vote your conscience” part
of the video, though I still see it as
the Catholic Church meddling in the politics of the State again.

McCain/Palin ’08

Hillary Clinton/Sarah Palin ’12

Susan, The ad is like opening a window for fresh air. Thx!

All of you people with opinions about the Church and their teachings are wasting your breath because a full one quarter of voters are Catholic and that’s not an opinion.

With or without this ad, McCain will take the Catholic vote especially in swing states. Nobama is a Marxist, Stalinist, Red Diaper, Dyed in the Wool Liberal who has no use for patriotism OR religion. You don’t call that Rev. Wright stuff religion do you?

usually men and far right wing women say it’s used for birth control. Men are unaware that sometimes birth control fail and some women can’t take birth control. IUDs sometimes cause women problems. I could give you a list for the reasons a women could in up pregnant and it not be her fault.

I’m hoping the morning after pill will help the women who have those problems but who knows maybe some women can’t take that either. I assure all of you that are quick to judge, women don’t make the decision to have an abortion easily. Judge not lest ye be judged.

The ‘Mad Man’ is trying to make a point.

Film is manipulative. And often the people who make film have mastered the technique but really don’t have heart. They just know how to pull the strings.

“Exactly, it isn’t always about the “forced” carrying and birthing of a child. There are and have been options for 40 years, birth control, being prepared, morning after pill, all kinds of means and ways; yet there is also the right to give birth.”

The last time I checked, the pill and the other means and ways of preventing conception are a no-no according to the Vatican. Unfortunately, none of those no-no ways are 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. I think half of the women I know conceived a child while taking the pill.

Churches can advocate pro-life all they want, but it’s women who have to raise a child they haven’t planned on giving birth to. Until churches are prepared to feed, shelter, care and educate the child, the decision whether to bring a child into the world should be a woman’s.

I thought it was a stirring ad. I know it spoke to me. I’m a 3rd Gen Italian-American in Chicago.

I’m not a Catholic anymore.. i Left because I couldn’t rationalize it’s claim to authority and it’s historical abuses, and now consider my self a non-denominational Christian.

This ad hit on all my ideals about America.. and it also made me appreciate the exceptional place that this is.

I truly believe God had a purpose for this nation, a nation He has blessed like no other… and I also believe that we’re slipping away. FAST.

I never felt such a sense of decay like I have the past 3 or 4 years.

God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply.

God honored the founder of nations with the promise that their descendants will be many.

I look at Europe, and how after WW-I , their collective will for Life is gone. Thier disillusionment due to the catastrophe.. failure of church and state, it destroyed the soul of Europe.

The Europeans have rejected God, and now they have also rejected their future. All European nations have a negative population growth rate of the native European groups.

They have aborted future because they chose death over life.. and they have also permitted those of the Religion of Death to settle amoungst them.

As the Muslims continue to colonize Europe, who in Europe will fight them? The Securalists? Why would tehy fight? For what? They probably have no brothers, no sisters, no aunts, no uncles, no sons , no daughters.

A good question is: Do dying societies chose socialism or does socialism result in dying societies?

We must resist the urge to surrender our responsibilites onto a government we wish to take care of us. We must provide for ourselves, our families and our communities.

Socialism/Marxism/Fascism/Communism/NAZIism – these are all forms of Collectivism.. the suicide of the individual.

Obama must be defeated.

2 Timothy 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For people will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, slanderers, without self-control, savage, opposed to what is good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, loving pleasure rather than loving God. They will maintain the outward appearance of religion but will have repudiated its power. So avoid people like these. For some of these insinuate themselves into households and captivate weak women who are overwhelmed with sins and led along by various passions. Such women are always seeking instruction, yet never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.

This is a VERY powerful video. I’m pro-life and Baptist – not Catholic; so this video would do ANY religion proud. I can understand where there may be certain circumstances where abortion would be considered – rape or incest – but STILL the thought of KILLING a living human being – an INNOCENT, TINY human being who has no say so whatsover on whether being created or terminated….what a very, very tragic decision to make.

Adoption would be the right answer in all these cases; but, if we don’t experience it personally, how can we judge others (ONLY in the cases of rape/incest; other reasons – imo – are just out and out KILLING). But, then, God will be the judge of ALL.

I’d like to see the hard statistics on abortion. And especially how significant it is the number of women who have had more than one.

Until then, hearsay is unreliable.

I am not Catholic, but basically live my life not caring what religious beliefs someone has as long as those beliefs strengthen that person’s character, give them a moral foundation, and give them whatever else they seek in the religious community. This is a very well done ad and not at all offensive to me as a non-Catholic.

I want the hard data, the statistics.

Sherry on The View is pro-life.

She also believes the earth is flat.

hmmm, he is starting to sound like a troll Jeremiah. Maybe it’s just this topic. I think it’s a bad topic for a site that has Dems and Repugs on it.

What’s the government have to do with any of this? The government didn’t make this ad.

Absolutely correct. The hierarchy itself is obsessed with abortion. The Pope speaks in platitudes, while the priests and nuns do the hard work of building schools, hospitals and administering to the poor. It is not the hierachy that does that. The church could be a force for good in the world if they could accept that poverty and over population are sins, and they destroy the soul and life of their people.

Adoption would be the right answer in all these cases;

Maybe you should look at some of the research on adoption outcomes for women who lose their babies

You can find some of that research here:

http://www.babyscoopera.com/

Adoption is a violent act. It is usually advocated by people who have not had to live with the concommitants of adoption loss for decades.

My daddy always told me an aspirin a day can also keep you from getting pregnant…if you place it between your knees.

LilRod – in my humble opinion, if the people and this country hadn’t had faith in a higher being (God), then this country wouldn’t be the country it is today and we wouldn’t have to worry about the Constitution – because there would be NO United States of America. God and God-believing/fearing people MADE this Country and God has BLESSED IT.

It is about a religious group attempting to interfere in the election of our government by obviously imposing religious pressure on its members to base their vote on religous beliefs.

I think that you might dissagree with someone basing their vote based on which candidate might be circumcised? No?
Pretty serious stuff for many

Oy..good night

That’s a good point, Mr. Murder. And we, as a global society, are over-populated. And frankly, I’m tired of debating pro/anti choice issues. We all must vote our consience. This ad made me nauseous.

Some people would draw back in horror if someone plucked a rare, beautiful flower from growing – yet think NOTHING of plucking the life out of an unborn BABY.

Very moving! Brought tears to my eyes~Brings a message without SHOVING religion down your throat! YAY CATHOLIC CHURCH

Close family and friends tell you about their abortions? I’ve lived a long time and am a woman and I can say that women who’ve had abortions don’t go around telling friends and family. Don’t believe you………

Your statement makes NO sense.

No, it’s about the “free exercise” of religion, as stated in the Constitution, and you said you are a “strict Constitutionalist.” So there should be no problem.

Good night.

To me, only the very young would do that.

Only people with some kind of societal disfunction like perhaps drug addicts.

Women, grown women would not be so irresponsible.

It’s a sad truth that we’ve created a culture wherein teens access their sexuality freely, because we don’t know how to talk to them honestly and openly.

But again, I’d like to see the statistics. All of this anecdotal evidence does not help the debate.

Matthew-

If the intent of the video was to show that its okay for people to rely on their religious values as a moral compass and such,
then…that is fine.

Sen Obama upset many people by his use of the word ‘cling’ in a negative manner when referring to devout people and their relationship with the values as espoused by their religious teachings.

Perhaps shots of people praying in a temple,or a mosque, in addition to a church would drive the point home more effectively. We are all Americans, and although we have diverse subcultures and diverse religious practices (Christians,Jews, Buddhists, Moslem , etc…) we value our religious values and no one has a right to condemn or make fun of our relationship with God and how we practice.Some people are atheist or agnostic and live very spiritually rewarding lives.They are good human beings. That is good too.

In any case, promote a sense of the diversity of subcultures & religious practices in the USA. The common thread is that family values are good. Religious practice (if you choose to practice) may be different from one family to the next but still very imporatnt to the foundation of our nation.
Leave abortion & gay marriage out of the video. DOnt support it, dont oppose it, JUST DONT DISCUSS it in video of this type.

Even if this video is geared ONLY towards devout Catholics who oppose abortion-the video will not be shown in a vacuum. Others who hold differing opinions will see it too. And Sen Obama’s campaign will make sure of that I am sure.

DEFINETELY mention Sen Obama’s BAIPA position in this video (which appears to be centered on family values ) if you want to reach voters across the board who value family, God and country- and those too that may be atheist or agnostic.

I dont think that Sen Clinton was joking when she said that 18 million voters supported her in this race. Most of these voters will now vote for Sen McCain or Nader or McKinney or someone else.

I ask myself- what might Sen Clinton say about the original video on this thread? She may PERSONALLY think its great but may reject it outright for public consumption.She is a firm believer in ‘moving to the middle position’ when dealing with a diverse group of voters as we have in the USA. This video may insert a wedge into the campaign that may wind up exacerbating the perceived danger of a McCain presidency overturning Roe vs. Wade. Obama supporters would just love that!

If Sen McCain has no plans of touching Roe vs Wade, why should WE be talking about abortion now? Talk inclusively about importance of all family’s family values and talk about the inherently morally vacous BAIPA position that Sen Obama holds. This position is morally vacous-no matter what your religous views are.

Voice of Reason! Finally.

This is for Catholics. Period.

It moves me not!

Perhaps you should read the link.

It is a violent act to separate a baby from its mother so the baby can be adopted. Mothers and babies should be helped to stay together, not separated for life because of economic issues.

Horribly enough, researchers have found that the grief of a mother who loses a child to adoption is more debilitating over the long run than the grief of parents who lose a child to death… as horrible as that is.

Anna,

You have a stronger stomach than I do. Not because you’re voting for McKinney. But because you still call yourself a Democrat.

The Democratic Party is dead to me! I can’t believe I wasted all these years with them.

You’re impossible to believe, Paul. Really.

Yes, there are some women who have had several abortions. In fact, Sherri on The View said she had
several and used them as a means of birth control.
Goes to show that there are immature and irresponsible types out there, but I really believe
they are in the minority.

You’re always going to find people in any activity going to extremes, but
still don’t believe you have (plural) friends and
family who use abortion as birth control. Can you say exaggerate to look authoratative?

“A fetus becomes a human being with rights and legal protection when it takes a breath on its own.”

This is what I believe. (See my post above)

All this talk about the fetus as ‘children’ demeans all the living children who are suffering all around the world because of poverty, sexual/physical abuse, neglect, political tyranny.

If you’re so pro-life, help these, breathing, living human-beings.

I didn’t make it to the end, either. If I didn’t know anything about Obama, that ad would make me vote for him. The strength of America is not it’s families, it’s about it’s people. Yanking my chain with somebody else’s values pisses me off.

You said it!! I wasted too many on them too. Thank goodness my eyes are finally open. Better late than never.

Except, McKatmoon, the Catholic Church OPPOSES the “morning-after pill” because–UNDER CHURCH TEACHING–it is abortion.
The Church also opposes ALL artificial contraception, whether it be condoms, the pill, IUDs–ALL are forbidden to “Good Catholics”.
As far as the Church is concerned, once a pregnancy is underway (i.e., conception), there is NO alternative for the woman except FORCED “carrying and birthing of a child”.
The Church needs to get its worthless ass OUT of politics completely UNLESS it’s fully willing to give up its tax-exempt status and pay taxes on all the properties the Church controls in this country. (I’m also fully supportive of ALL churches that wish to participate in the political process be FULLY subject to ALL the laws of the land. That means things like paying taxes and being subject to civil rights laws. If they don’t wish to conform with this, then by all means, they can keep quiet in the pulpits. And, with respect to the Roman Catholic Church, the threat of religious excommunication on adherent polticians who choose to support COUNTRY over religion, to me, that should have automatically had the entire Church’s tax exempt status revoked. Such behavior is nothing more than extortion, and, under American law, extortion is a CRIME.)

Paul you are a man, you can’t carry a baby and you have no say in the matter. Get over it, there is nothing you can do about it. The law will never change and all you are doing is aggravating us.

JGDAW-

The video , in my opinion, unintentionally promotes the idea that a vote for Sen McCain is a vote to overturn Roe Vs Wade.

Yes if Sen Obama attacks Catholics he will lose Catholic vote but what if Sen Obama campaign convinces voters that video is attacking Roe vs. Wade? How many Pro Choice voters will leave McCain for Obama?

Sen Obama and his campaign will twist video message around. I have no doubt. That’s how they do things ‘CHicago style’.

Right on, JozefAL.

Monet – Who is the ‘giver of life’? If you’re a Catholic, don’t you believe in (and try to follow) the Ten Commandments? God says “Thou Shalt Not Kill”. That’s exactly what it means; it doesn’t say ‘unless you can’t afford to feed or raise your baby properly’. IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD YOUR CHILD – IT IS NOT THE CHILD’S FAULT – IT IS YOURS!!! You should’ve kept your drawers on (both parties involved). God takes care of those who TRULY believe in him.

One day – when God comes – are you going to tell HIM that HE is ‘terribly out of touch with reality’? You’re going to tell HIM – the Creator of the the entire universe – that HE is ‘out of touch’; He, who is the same as yesterday as He is today is ‘out of touch’? Good luck with that!

Sherry is an idiot. She believes the world is flat. If she said something like that on the air that was so personal, she’s a bigger fool than I gave her credit for.

Even so, her admission is anecdotal at best.

If you are using her to make your sweeping judgement, then that’s not saying much.

OMG..you indeed have EVERY right to that opinion.

Our forefathers were members of the Enlightment.

Many were what is refered to as folowers of Deism.

They drew heavily form Locke, Hume and Rousseau among others. Everyone should revisit their writings along with the Federalist Papers to get a deeper understanding of how our government/country was formed.

G-d Blesses people..not countries..in my humble opinion

I think a much more powerful ad is the one of the young lady who survived a late term abortion because the doctor was out of the room and the nurse called an ambulance because she was aborted alive. I saw her on TV, needless to say she is a powerful argument for the born alive infant protection act. And a constant reminder of how radical are the views of Obama on abortion.

RottenFish – I only stated adoption as the alternative to abortion. Of course it would be GREAT if the mother kept the baby, but in cases of rape/incest – I think that would be difficult in many instances. The bottom line of my post is – don’t abort, but pass the ‘gift of live’ onto to others who are unable to have babies of their own. Other than abortion, there is nothing sadder than adoption. Just the thought of an unwanted baby is too sad for me to comprehend.

This is an ad directed at Catholics and you apparently don’t know much about Catholicism if you think all sin is equal. Look up a few words: ‘venial’ and ‘mortal.’ Go do your homework and come back and tell us which one you think having a baby out of wedlock is and which one you think intentionally not having your own baby is. Look up the sin on Onan sometime too, just for kicks. There thing people don’t often consider before criticizing the Catholic Church’s opinion on reproductive matters: demographics. Right now western folks are on a pretty good decline and will almost vanish from Europe in a few generations at the current replacement rate. They will be replaced through immigration and demographic conquest by muslims who have many times the replacement rate and growing. The Catholic Church doesn’t feel like dying out due to lack of breeding. For all the good hard-left liberals who don’t have kids and don’t like people like Sarah Palin, it doesn’t matter in the long-term she will win. She has more offspring and you will have none. That is one reason it is so important for a guy like Ayers to control education–get em early and convince that mom and dad should be overthrown. Plato told us about it in the Republic, but we don’t read that stuff anymore. Bottom line is don’t forget about demographics. It seems like the choice of Biden might turn into a liability with the demographic it was intended to help.

What I am always astonished about by both parties is the pro life, pro choice debate. Prolifers do not want a fetus to die, yet are perfectly fine to watch soldiers die. Pro choice people want it to be ok for a fetus to die, yet will go on crazy protests to try and stop soldiers from dying. Doesn’t a soldier make a choice to be a soldier? The fetus has no choice. I am pro choice, but lately eharing all the pro abortion talk from democrats lately makes me regret supporting the party all of these years because for years I h

BTW..Poland and Spain are extremely Catholic…great believers
So what happened to those countries? G-d had a greater blessing for the US than them…beeeecause????

G-d bless US ALL!

It is effective because it sure has you all riled up.

You said it Mimi.

This election cycle has really opened my eyes.

What I am always astonished about by both parties is the pro life, pro choice debate. Prolifers do not want a fetus to die, yet are perfectly fine to watch soldiers die. Pro choice people want it to be ok for a fetus to die, yet will go on crazy protests to try and stop soldiers from dying. Doesn’t a soldier make a choice to be a soldier? The fetus has no choice. I am pro choice, but lately eharing all the pro abortion talk from democrats lately makes me regret supporting the party all of these years because for years I have argued with prolifers how pro choice is not pro abortion. Well, the dems of late sure are making me look and feel stupid. Anyway, my point is life is life when it suits you and murder is okey dokey when it suits you, too. It is just very confusing to me. I would think one would be either for life all across the board or pro choice all across the board, meaning a soldier is choosing his possible death for himself (or herself).

Also, weird conflict in politics, marriage is decided by the states and that is ok to us, but we are terrified of the states deciding their laws regarding abortion.

I am to the point of choosing no affiliation. I am really sick of how neither party makes a lot of sense or elicits any trend to change any of the wrongs in our society. We’ll just bitch about it until we die.

John, people like coppergirl never knew or forgot that Christianity was ingrained in our Constitution and is radically revolutionary. Some folks don’t “get” the real revolution.

Now it makes sense. The Cowboys are all protestants!

Having an abortion is not exercising religion. A Catholic commercial is not “imposing” beliefs on anyone. Based om your statements what you want is to censor religious statements and opinions, which would be unconstitutional.

The Catholics can have their ad. The Atheists can post one too. That’s free exercise of religion. Disagreeing with one opinion or the other does not make them unconstitutional.

Put a sock in it, Bethtopaz. If you don’t want to have an abortion, don’t. Others get to make that choice as well. Again, I found the ad nauseating. I agree with Lute, we’re overpopulated. I also agree with Mr. Murder, the Catholic sex abuse scandals are still pretty fresh. Our catholic priest, one who taught me catechism, was a sexual abuser and served time in prison. I have little tolerance with how the Church covered up these horrors and transferred abusive priests so that they could prety on the children in their new parishes. I thought Cardinal Law should have been prosecuted. And if the buck stops with the leader, then the Pope should have been held ultimately responsible.

People make countries. Why do you think the whole world HATES the USA – especially the radical Islamics? Wouldn’t be because – as a whole – America believes in Jesus/God; we’re a Christian nation? And because of our beliefs, God has Blessed this country and the people in it? The rain falls on the wicked, just as it does the just…

And freedom of religion does not allow to have someone yell “FIRE!!” in a dark theater..especially full of children and handicapped individuals

There is logic and deductive reasoning involved

Well, I am pro-choice and it made me cry.

There are more men, fetuses and babies in that ad than women.

When we are invisible, we don’t count. We don’t exist. We don’t matter. It is acceptable to impose on us, to hate on us, to make us submit.

Matthew-
Happy birthday to your twins!

As an aside, I always gave my mother flowers on my birthday during the last 10 years before she passed on. It was a family tradition my siblings and I started-to honor our mother on our birthdays.

We could never understand the tradition of us children getting gifts on our birthday when it was our mother who had done all the hard work carrying us for nine months.

All we did was just ‘pop out’ when it was our due date.

You know what “ee”, You’re not only sick you are deranged too!

No..the whole world does not hate us.

RE: the radical islamics..it is not that simple indeed. They feel threatened by the west…justifialbe OR NOT!…especially us at the greatest symbol of the western culture….but that is what they use as justification for their senseless murders..even when the have been murdering each other to greater numbers

i didn’t either. it completely turned me off.

if you don’t want an abortion, don’t get pregnant. if you get pregnant and don’t want/don’t believe in an abortion or having a child, there’s always adoption. i don’t care what you do. just don’t tell me i have to do what YOU believe in.

i swear, the minute religion gets its tax free status taken away, you’ll see a different world. probably 75% fewer churches, more income into the general fund and maybe even nicer people.

sadly, most of the “devout” i know are THE worst hypocrites so i don’t give much of a hoot what they think anyway. but i sure don’t like the prominence and importance of religion in this country. in history, imo the bad effects far outweigh the good.

Dawnelle, I think Larry said sometime ago that TD was too high maintenance, which I think is why we don’t see her blog advertised any more. I’m a PUMA and since I’m the only in my family to vote against Barry Soetoro, this website saves my sanity.

“ee’ you are so over the top you are hilarious! I may have been born at night but it wasn’t last night.

Lute!

You are a dolt if you cannot recognize the power of this ad for people of faith. All Catholics are not united under the pro-life banner, but I can tell you as someone raised in the Catholic Church, the Catholic majority is united under a banner of country, faith and family.

You debase this message at your peril. It’s strong, exceedingly powerful and will hit its target audience. You will neither gain support nor win this election by dismissing 67 million voters.

Beware. The Catholic vote can turn any election.

But then, the Obamatrons think they can win on fumes. Knock yourself out!

Those who give up their children for adoption do not do it strictly because of financial reasons. If you want to get graphic, it is possible some mothers are addicted to heroin and homeless for example. Obviously this is not a healthy environment to raise a child in. You can advocate for the child to go in a foster home while the mother gets clean, but reality is different, and besides that’s against your point that there is mom/ baby separation.

Some mothers are mentally ill and not well enough to raise a child. Some mothers give up their children for adoption because of rape or incest. Some mothers are dying of a disease or they are disabled in such a way that they cannot raise a child. Some are in prison.

Giving up a child for adoption is not exclusively due to finances.

Meanwhile, there are open adoptions, and other sorts of negotiating factors in which the mother can have a presence in the child’s new life, through visitations and so on.

Life isn’t easy. Some people are adopted and it is better for their life and sometimes it isn’t. I know people who were adopted and they always have aching questions but are usually relieved to have been brought up in their adoptive homes.

athy, this ad turned me off so much that if I weren’t firmly against Barry, I might actually not vote for McCain/Palin because of it.

Women are ready to give birth when they have sex with their husbands according to the Catholic Church. When they break that rule, they are supposed to live with the consequences. And men also have the responsibility of caring for their children, or they are committing sin and judged by God. At least that is what I was taught. The Catholic Church preaches choice, but abortion is not an option.

There is no such thing as overpopulation according to the Church. Christianity teaches that there is enough for everyone, and no one should go without.

Priests who molest boys are not necessarily gay.

It’s just not the way child molestation works.

Dawnelle, thank you. This ad is certainly being pretty divisive on this thread.

And I’m pro-choice. But the point of this ad is to remind Catholics of their faith and that they will be asked to vote their conscience like everyone else.

ee –

Neither John McCain nor Sarah Palin have said that; not once as a matter of fact.

It is fact that the majority of the country believes Roe v Wade should stand undisturbed.

There is no case challenging Roe v Wade on the Supreme Court docket.

The President of the U.S can only nominate a justice. The confirmation must come from members of the United States Senate on the Judiciary Committee (common name – Senate Judiciary Committee).

Because we have a Democratic Senate (which is is predicted to remain) 10 of those Committee members are Democrats; 9 are Republicans.

This site is not frequented by ignorant fools. We are aware of the facts.

We will not be MANIPULATED by emotional histrionics lacking veracity. If you want that – go watch Keith Olberman.

Katmandu-
Good links. I read them both.
Question:

“Zogby observes:

Observant Catholics are returning to the Republican fold now that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has joined the GOP ticket – a shift that looks to be more enduring than a postconvention bounce”

Why are observant Catholics returning to the Republican fold now that Gov Palin has joined GOP ticket? Is it because of her personal devotion to her christian religion and value system

or

is it because of her integrity as a human being (wow what a switch from those far right extremist neocons!) -no matter what her religion ?

Listening to McCain/Palin ticket, both candidates
have very strong personal beliefs and values which is wonderful. They also make it clear that their personal beliefs are their “PERSONAL” beliefs and that when it comes to running the country, their personal beliefs will be reviewed as a’reference of sorts but that they will do what is best for the country as a whole. They will evaluate MANY different personal beliefs and constitutional precedents , along with other data when reaching a decision. That is what I find most appealing about the ticket. Our personal beliefs may differ on several issues but I trust their integrity, their strength of character and their intelligence to seek out options, evaluate options, and take actions based upon what is best for the nation as a whole.

I adopted a baby with special needs. The birth mother gave up this baby not because of the special needs, but because of financial concerns. She simply could not raise another baby on welfare. When the baby was born with special needs she reconsidered the adoption for awhile feeling guilty and feeling that BECAUSE of the baby’s special needs she, as the birth mother, should care for her. She finally realized that with or without special needs, her baby would have a chance at a better life adopted. I met with her before I took the baby home. We wept together and I promised to love her baby and care for her and protect her which I do and will do until the day I die. I know hard the decision was for this birth mother. She was, and always will be my hero. Anyone who doesn’t have first hand experience with adoption has no business making judgments about it IMO.

I don’t want to recall Obama. I want him to lose in November and take the trash out with him. That means you, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the rest. Or your party can continue to be irrelevant. You’ve actually made Republicans look good after eight years of Bush. The GOP has grown more popular over the past few months. Is it just a dozen “mental midgets” on this site. I guess not! More than half the country approves of the Republican party. Because you psychotics make the alternative look frightening. Have fun! Gloat in your mediocrity until you have your ass handed to you on November 4.

Those children are rarely if ever adopted, katinthehat. They end up in foster care, begging for homes.

American adoptors by and large want only healthy babies from healthy women. That’s why they go to China – to get a healthy child as close as possible to the one they would have biologicallty. Adoptable healthy white infants are rare in America.

As for homelesness and poverty, these are exactly the women we need to be helping.
Rape rarely results in pregnancy. I do know some women who were impregnated by rape and they wanted their children. But their parents in league with social workers forced them to give their babies up…and the women suffered for decades as a result.

My point to Bendy is that adoption is NOT an alternative to abortion. The few studies that have been done on child loss to adoption uniformly indicate that there is extensive psychological damage from this loss.

We need more unbiased studies on adoption outcomes for mothers before we blithely and ignorantly advocate adoption as some kind of a win-win situation

Oh. And BTW, open adoption is a marketing scheme designed to entice pregos with promises of openness. But open adoptions are NOT legally enforceable contracts in most states. 80% of open adoptions are closed by the time the child is 4.

Like many in the hard line left (and right) you have no respect for different opinions. If you’re Catholic – which is who this ad is aimed at – then abortion is a sin. This just reminds those voters what is on the line. Now you are pro-choice. Many Catholics are, too, and they will react like you did or perhaps not quite so irrationally. But anyone who takes their faith seriously and believes in the sanctity of life CANNOT vote for Obama / Biden. And they don’t deserve those votes, either.

You really are a pompous jerk Paul. Forty years ago, I was an eighteen year old student nurse when I was seduced by a twenty eight year old resident who was married, had children and was Catholic who didn’t bother to tell me he was married until two months into our relationship. He got birth control pills for me when they were brand new and before I had taken them a month I was pregnant. He performed the abortion on me himself in a motel room and told me to shut up when I screamed in pain because he was worried about someone calling the police. He was worried about his career and marriage and the abortion was his idea. A week later he was calling me again. He said he confessed the affair, but when I ask if he had confessed the abortion he said he had not because he would have been excommunicated. I left nursing and the state to get away from him. It took me twenty five years before I could tell anyone about that experience. I like what I did with my life in the years afterwards and it was a completely different journey than I had planned. I have never hated anyone else in my life and I’m glad I didn’t have his child. This is the first time since 1973 I will cast my vote for a candidate who doesn’t support Roe, but this ad and your self righteous posts are making it more difficult.

Palin and McCain never said that. You’re out of your mind and need help.

The VAST majority of pedophiles are heterosexuals

A 14 YO girl can turn herself over to CPS.

Well, then go take a nap.

JAY in LA and Dawnelle, this ad disgusts me even more as I read the posts concerning it. SusanUnPC, I don’t think posting this ad was such a great idea. The more I read and more I think of the ad juxtaposing abortion and gay marriage, the more I think of the child sex abuse of the Catholic clergy.

I am Catholic and strongly Pro-Choice.
My choice happens to be Pro-Life.
But I respect that it is not my decision, it is the womans.

I have voted for Democrat presidents my entire life.
I will not vote for Obama.

There are other issues that are vital, and Women’s right to choose will not be taken away.

Faith, Family, Life. Our Moral Compass. Who will best deliver based on their past accomplishment.

The ad does not endorse a candidate, but after watching it, you know who you should vote for.

I like the ad. I will pass it on and put it on my blog.

Seriously, people. It’s a free country, and its course is determined by how many people make up the majority in agreement. All these vulgar histrionics do nothing but sicken the people reading them.

Paul3triple, I personally know sex abuse victims/survivors and some of them became pregnant thanks to a family member. They didn’t want to bear the child, much lesss raise it. It’s about choice, Paul3. Everyone’s situation is different. And let me repeat If men became pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

I am pro-choice. Because I had a baby, because I was left in the position of choice, that’s why I’m pro-choice. I will not get into the fight of when does life really start, etc., because the reality is, pro-lifers are only for fetus rights. After birth, they’re nowhere to be found, and that kind of hypocrisy burns me.

I am a put-up-or-shut-up kind of person. You really want to take charge of another woman’s womb, and pass laws making her do your will, then do it. And pay for it. That’s right–give her your money. And let her raise her child. With your money. No? Then shut up.

Like I said, when faced with that very personal choice, I chose to give birth. And my child and I have paid for that ever since, these past 34 years. You don’t need to know my whole story, but life isn’t about fairy tales, fairy godmothers, and other silly nonsense.

Why I support Palin? She hasn’t passed legislation to take charge of women’s wombs. She just made her own, personal choice. She can advocate pro-life, long as she keeps it there and doesn’t start passing legislation taking charge of women’s wombs.

ivet the Pope goes to third world countries and tells the Catholic faithful contraception is a sin when the real sin is the poverty which makes it difficult for them to feed the children they have or educate them out of the cycle of hunger and poverty. In our country, couples have in vitro fertilization which results in multiple births so I guess they think their genes are so superior they can ignore the exponential population growth in the world until we reach the point the earth can no longer produce enough food for everyone. Adoption doesn’t seem to be a choice for them. I like Gov. Palin just fine and I can live with her as VP for four years and hope she can reform DC. It was her choice to have a large family and the operative word here is “choice”.

Paul3, I will now skip your posts. You’ve becoming hectoring and invasive. And totally uninteresting.

It makes me feel more resolved to fight this terrible trend of churches meddling in, and influencing, our politics. Our founders were terribly opposed to that and so am I. And so should all Americans. Abortion is a carrot issue, one that churches have used to get their collective, religiosity selves into our state affairs. No church in state. Never.

The second third and fourth images are of women praying. The first three at the alter. The fourth at the voting booth.

Women don’t count? You must be looking at a different ad.

I have voted for Democrat presidents my entire life.
I will not vote for Obama.

how true….

You know, why hasn’t the IRS gone after Wright and his bogus church? They should. I’m sick and tired of supporting these all those so-called reverend twits, while they rail on about their version of America and Americans. I think they’re all wrong and should all have their tax exempt status yanked away from them.

McCain/Palin ’08

mimi, I have never watched that show and don’t know who Sherry is. Does she really believe the earth is flat? If she does, why would anyone pay her to be on the TV giving her opinion? Someone should tell her about the morning after pill. I don’t believe Paul either. Of all the women I have known, only three have told me they had abortions and none of them had more than one as far as I know.

John Smith, you are becoming didactic. I’m with you Coppergirl. Nauseating ad. And frankly when I think of the Catholic chuch these days (and mind I was a Catholic) I think of the pedophilia which ran rampant and unchecked. And frankly I’m tired of religion being crammed down my throat.

Thank you for your insight. You are correct about the production values and their impact. Hopefully most Americans will see right through this charade.

Stop the hate.

As a regular Mass-attending Catholic, the ad speaks to me. I’m quite amused by the negative comments made about the Church. Those who claim to be Catholics and expect the church founded by Jesus Christ to relax its rules on abortion are confused or ignorant (and I’m saying this in the spirit of Christian charity) and need compassion and understanding. The Church isn’t Anti-Choice; it’s just the choices she prescribes are not unlimited. Respect for and preservation of the sanctity of human life remain paramount. Those who can’t hack it are more than welcome to leave.

Exactly. And my birth daughter was born because I was pro-choice, and that was my choice. And she’s a beautiful woman and I’m not sorry I did what I did. Later, though, circumstances were different. I’ve had to make hard personal choices, and have paid the price, but it’s extremely personal to me and I resent all these people who have been, and continue to be, so flippant about this. And by the way, I’ve known a lot of women in my life who had abortions. NOT ONE used it as a method of birth control, and NOT ONE did it lightly or without a lot of emotional pain.

I support individual choice, and I’d like government to get out of my bedroom and my womb.

I never agreed with abortion but I also would not impose my beliefs on anyone else believing that the issue is between a woman and her conscience. With the many birth control devices available one could say that there should be no need for abortions but that is simplistic.
In regard to same sex marriage I really do not know what all the fuss is about. Marriage is really a two part ‘institution’, the civil and the religious. I see no problem with a government allowing ‘marriage’ between same sex couples to establish legal rights. I also see no problem with a church refusing to ‘marry’ a couple because of religious doctrine. Marriage does not have to be a religious ceremony. I also cannot understand how someone can say that their own marriage is diminished if same sex couple are allowed the same rights. If Jack and Jim get married how does that make you love your wife or husband any less? It doesn’t make sense. That being said, the ad is very moving and powerful, especially because of the music.

Ladies in particular, take a good look at Michelle Obama in the video at the link included at the end of this comment. Any bets as to her condition? If I’m right, the timing of the Catholic Church’s ad, with its emphasis on life, couldn’t be worse for PUMA’s and other NObama’s.

However, maybe there’s another reason for Michelle having been out of sight since Denver and now emerging looking fat, busty, and like the wrath of God.

http://tinyurl.com/3wxw2c

And conversely… yesterday morning I saw a car with two bumper stickers:

1) Kerry/Edwards

2) McCain (guess they put it on pre-Palin)

And no, before someone replies, it WASN’T my car.

Brendy can we now assume you are a pacifist and against the death penalty?

LiRod have you ever watched a show on Dateline about pedophiles? Most of those responding thought they were meeting young girls, not boys.

The catholic church is an extremely misogynous church. They only destroy Democracy and Human Rights.

what are you talking about? she just announced in an interview that she and Barack will not have any more children.

Add was brilliantly done, however not a Catholic and do believe in a woman’s right to a “private decision” since this is in fact what the decision to have an abortion is I do believe that hte church needs to remember that this ocuntry was built on the Connstitution which allows for such things as a “private decision” as for “re-defining marriage” that line ticked me off…since when is acknowledging love the “re-defining of marriage” isn’t his what the bible supposedly teaches…to learn how to love and how to be loved…who’s business is it anyway whether someone learns that from one of the same of opposite sex?

As for pro-life …how can one be for life yet have absolutely no problem with war…and as for the pro-choice..how can one be for pro-choice and yet diss the person who chooses to keep their child…I just don’t get ya’ll sometimes.

God gives man free will and man does everything he can to take that away….

“Monet – Who is the ‘giver of life’? If you’re a Catholic, don’t you believe in (and try to follow) the Ten Commandments? God says “Thou Shalt Not Kill””

Tell that to the State of Texas. And all the other states that have capital punishment. While you’re at it, tell it to all the prosecutors and courts who decide a killing was in self-defense.

If a woman decides to end a pregnancy, that is between her, her doctor and her god. It’s none of my business. Or yours. Nor is it the state’s or a church’s.

Do you think if Roe v. Wade is overturned that abortion will be abolished? Maybe in some states, but not all of them. While we wait to see what the states will do, we’ll have rile up the extreme pro-lifers – the ones that like to use bombs. If only a few states decide abortions are legal, abortion clinics catering to American women will pop up all over the Caribbean and Canada.

By the way, the pill doesn’t always prevent conception but instead miscarries the fertilized egg. The same with the iud. Isn’t that abortion?

“One day – when God comes – are you going to tell HIM that HE is ‘terribly out of touch with reality’?”

We can’t feed, shelter, educate, prevent disease and heal the six billion people currently living on the planet. We’re supposedly the wealthiest nation in the history of the planet and we can’t do it with the 250 million who live here. If all six billion people were to follow the teachings of the Catholic church and not prevent unwanted pregnancies, the majority of the planet would be dying. The Vatican is out of touch with reality.

If you don’t want to terminate a pregnancy, don’t. No one is going to force you to in this nation. You have the right to have all the children you wish and to utilize your preferred method of birth control without a church or state interfering with your rights. While enjoying your rights, you do not have the right to deny anyone who’s birth control has failed, chose not to use birth control or was raped the right to terminate a pregnancy.

I would appreciate a link to that interview, please. Thanks.

why don’t you ever see or hear about the woman who has an abortion and regrets it later? because there are women out there like that, believe me

I agree absolutely. And women hasn’t to be threatened for far leftist or for right wing nuts. Women rights are human rights and this fact is not possible to discuss or negotiate it.

An inspiring ad! The words and music meld together movingly.

(Me, I’m pro-choice/pro-gay civil unions/anti-gay marriage/not a Catholic/Christian)

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MorganJan – My thoughts exactly! Powerful message, tell more people!

I know this is anecdotal but I have 2 sisters. One had an abortion as a teen. The other one gave her son up for adoption. The one who chose adoption has had a much easier time emotionally than the one who chose abortion. Now that he is grown, my nephew contacted my sis and they have brought him in to her family. The sis who chose abortion has deep seated guilt that comes out periodically and has led her to some very bad choices later in life.

Families currently living are seeing their lives dissolve beyond their grasps and this Pro-Life advertisement is somehow more important than the Nation?

Reason is devoid in Faith.

I’m thankful to be Agnostic and self-aware of the relationship between Energy & Matter.

Unfortunately, that Universal Law scares Faith for it’s stark Reality.

I never said it wasn’t a woman’s choice.

And I said Catholics were all over the map on issues, I did not talk from the Church perspective, I spoke from the member perspective, regardless of church policy, that’s all I said.

Like many in the hard line left (and right) you have no respect for different opinions. If you’re Catholic – which is who this ad is aimed at – then abortion is a sin. This just reminds those voters what is on the line. Now you are pro-choice. Many Catholics are, too, and they will react like you did or perhaps not quite so irrationally. But anyone who takes their faith seriously and believes in the sanctity of life CANNOT vote for Obama / Biden. And they don’t deserve those votes, either.

Sanctity of Life concerning the Unborn is bitingly ironic. Sanctity of Life means the continuum of Existence for All Life, All Experiences and not preordained for the Womb. A Faith that proclaims to be righteous would recognize their own impotent Dogma when it’s shown daily to be inherently hypocritical and self-contradictory.

This is a very well put together and thought out ad. The message, think about all the things that the next occupant of the oval office will have to face. Other than the pictures of soldiers there wasn’t much else in the way of foreign affairs. I am curious though if it is to play to a single segement with the visual and written statement about Italians playing a large role in the building of this country, perhaps an appeal to a large voting bloc. I don’t know if anyone else has commented on this, but to me the most powerful part of the ad was right near the end, at the ballot box. Is it me or was the voter leaving the democratic ballot off to the side?

I know it is sick and horrible. But it is what Palin and McPain have said. Over and Over.

You can project through subjective interpretation the end-games of McCain, Palin or any one who sees the decision of Choice beyond Life as a Sin, but to extend it to it’s most malevolent ends only destroys your own sense of Reason and dignity.

You made your original point without providing a prologue and epilogue which would allow one to see the broader scope of your point. Instead, you one-upped the original ad in stark contrast to the point of making it your point to find the most heinously real causal outcomes you could imagine.

I personally am not concerned about John McCain’s views on Abortion as he himself being a centrist has no interest in pandering to the minority far right.

The US Infrastructure is Priority One. This ad can think their personal moral doctrine trumps that and the more they push it the more their own flock dissipates.

Free Speech is being respected in this ad. The US Infrastructure and the lives of hundreds of millions far exceeds the doctrinal delusions of the unborn. This is something that has morally bankrupted millions and eventually hundreds of millions.

For a faith that believes in Heaven and eternal life, they sure fight hard to point out it to be riddled in finite Sin.

I am adopted and you are full of shit.

This ad is the most powerful I have seen this campaign season. It no doubt sends the cultural far left into writhing paroxysms, from which hissing and spitting will issue. Instead of calm dialogue, its minions will send forth diatribes of hatred and vilification. Rev. Wright is hunky-dorey with them, but not the Pope. Apparently, they don’t believe the former is really a Christian, or they would despise him too. Neither must they believe Obama is, if you think about it.
As an Evangelical, I have profound respect for the Catholic Church. It carried the banner of Christianity over 20 centuries, through the Dark Ages, and now is truly The Church that keeps the beacon burning for the entire world. No wonder those who espouse libertinism and godlessness hate it with hellish passion. (And, by the way, most of those sinful priests were not pedophiles; they were run-of-the-mill homosexuals engaging in pederasty–sex with sexually developed teens).

First, of all, it’s long as hell. Who can afford that kind of ad time? Oh, yeah, the Catholic Church.

Anyhoo, here’s the deal. My beliefs on abortion are that God knows when someone will abort a baby, and does not allow a soul into that fetus, so no one is killed in an abortion. No harm, no foul. So it doesn’t pull on my heartstrings at all.

But it will definitely pull on the heartstrings of others. And anything that keeps the anti-American, terrorist-befriending, lying, cheating, vote stealing Barack Obama and his hateful sidekick Michelle out of the White House is the bomb. As contrary to my personal values as Sarah Palin is, she loves this country, as does John McCain. Barack does not, and he is a danger to America. He must not be allowed to win.

It’s going to be hilarious, if BO makes it that far, to see the Democrats try to out vote-steal the Republicans, who are experts at it. After the last two elections, is that ironic or what?

A excellent ad.

I watched the vid twice to get the full effect. The background music and graphics are definitely reminiscent of BO’s style. A little too over the top; a little too subliminally scary.

I am a pro-life Catholic. I have friends who have had abortions for whatever their own reasons were at those times. I do not look down on them or begrudge them their choice. In fact, I’d have worried more if they had to go to some “back alley doctor” in some filthy clinic to get an illegal abortion. Those days of worrying about illegal abortions are gone. There is no man or woman who wants to have that on their hands. The Roe v. Wade issue should be considered protected from any type of political challenge. I believe it already is a “lock” or “protected” in an unspoken sense but there are always those pot-stirrers willing to throw the fear into the mix to scare the unaware. It’s up to us to remind everyone that Roe v. Wade will never be overturned.

I also disagree with some earlier comments about how churches/religions should stay out of politics. It seems to me that religion and politics are a two way street, and both entities are looking for a delivery from the other. History seems to prop up that theory.

And, just on a rant, it REALLY bugs me how these Catholic and other religious groups, usually the richest organizations in the country/world, are always out delivering pro-life messages but never deliver messages on what to do or how to care for the “life” (mostly unwanted children) already out there. The kids are not hiding. Their needs are clear. The donations to the churches have been made. Where are the kids homes/shelters, adoption agencies, programs, etc.???? Where are all of those donations/tithes going???

Just my $.02.

McCain-Palin ’08

Relax. I didn’t call ALL pro-lifers non-thinkers. But my impression is that most of them blindly follow dogma, convinced of their righteousness without regard to the consequences of their actions.

It made me happy that my pregnant 13-year-old made the choice that was right for her, and her family.
And I did not have to bear the responsibility of raising her kid.
In fact, I was happy that I could take her to have her pregnancy ended in a clean, safe, and supportive clinic.

Why it is mandatory that our Supreme Court justices be Catholic?
Isn’t there supposed to be a separation of church and state?

Total drivel.

You should have raised your 13 YO better, but I suppose that would have been burdensome, as well.

I thought it was interesting how the ad focused on the VP selections. Biden is persona non grata to the Church, and he was more prominently featured. Sarah Palin, who is pro-life, was also emphasized.

Well said, and that is how I feel about it as well.

I agree with you. My question is, what is the target audience for this advertisement? I think this ad is nothing but muscle flexing on the part of the producers. It supposed to be some kind of “feel good” ad for the target audience.

But what was the ad selling? Unfortunately, the message I got was “More Fetuses = Good for America.”

What am I, as a viewer supposed to do as a result of this ad? I have no clue.

WTH are you talking about? What experience is not ordained by the womb? Do you still believe in the stork?

You believe infrastructure and the rights of the living trump the rights of the unborn, but those are not necessarily mutually exclusive nor does that make sense from the perspective of someone who believes life begins at conception. You are wrong to keep trying to force your opinion on others and speak about people you don’t know. Again, the presumption of the left knowing what is best for you and not knowing how conservatives really think.

The video is a subtle promotion for the anti-choice vote. I say subtle because the ‘life’ images are woven throughout while also showing us 9/11 firefighters,
a football team, and so forth. A couple of images creeped me out, e.g.,
an image of long lines of catholic cardinals dressed in 10th century head covers,
and the like. It is also brilliant in drawing the viewer to it’s propaganda.
Be careful!

I am having a hard time understanding the level of vitriol on this thread. The ad was not made for a general audience; does not speak to a general audience; and it will not be seen by the general public. It will play on Catholic cable networks and be shown in parish halls gatherings or religious study classes. It was made for Catholic voters.

And as a Catholic voter, I can tell you neither party’s political policies addresses my personal concerns and values. Every election is a balancing act, weighing the pros and cons of what in my view are two imperfect ideologies. Everyone is quick to point on the Church’s position on abortion or gay marriage, but forgets the Chuch was against the Iraqi invasion, opposses the death penalty in most circumstances, supports the rights and fair treatment of immigrants, and believes in basic human rights of fair wages, access to health care and education, and religious freedom. A balance of personal responsiblity and social justice.

If this ad was geared towards a Jewish or Muslim religous audience, I doubt people would feel comfortable with the level of vitriol in this thread. But Catholic bashing remains an acceptable form of bigotry in our country.

As the intended target of the ad, it was powerful for me.

Earthroat, you should have your nose checked.

Thanks for those links. Very interesting!

Pick up a copy of “Elle” and make yourself feel better.

it’s a good ad to push Roman Catholics to vote. whether it scares them away from Obama/Biden is another thing. we do know that Caroline Kennedy took from day one the position that the VP for the Dems should be Roman Catholic, which is pretty darned infuriating to be so blatantly pandering and defining by just one group. For the first time ever the Democratic ticket does not have a white person who is a Christian other than Roman Catholic. that’s why Mayor Daley calls it the Urban Ticket.

That leaves out a huge chunk of America. Whether Obarky and company like it, people who are white and protestant are not all a bunch of rich people. once again, it ignores the people Jim Webb writes about, the people who live in the hill country and who fight our wars. And who voted for Hillary.

Lute is absolutely right. And I say this as a former member of the Catholic Church, one who almost became a priest. The Pope and the bishops claim to support democracy and all other “just” governments, but in reality they just want to be given the upper hand. It doesn’t matter if you are a tyrannical dictator or the president of a democracy, if you support the Church you’re A-Okay with the Pope.

Moreover, this ad enforces the Catholic view that abortion and gay marriage will destroy this country. What’s the alternative? Having women resort to dangerous if not fatal means to procure an abortion, and denying homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals. What IS destroying this country is the culture war the Catholics and all other evangelical Christians are waging against progress.

My wonderful (mixed racial) son is adopted. His biological mother and father decided that the baby would probably be a wonderful human being and both decided to carry it to term and then give it to a couple who could provide what they could not. Abortion was available at the time.

My son is now a father with two beautifil baby girls of his own and a successful professional man who contributes a great deal to this world. His biological parents were 100% correct in their assessment.

I am not a Catholic (am Unitarian) and am pro-choice. But I am PRO-ADOPTION for sure!!! I will never know the identities of my son’s biological parents, but I hold them in the highest esteem for their choice and for giving my life such meaning.

As point of fact that 14 year old is not going to get help unless or until she tells someone what is happening.

Abortion is not about that girl. Abortion has become about the convenience of an ego.

Now if there was a culture of respect and life an abused girl would have a chance to get help. But as long as we objectify women and girls as objects for the gratification of men abuse will continue.

Women and their rolls as mothers and providers of life has to be the most respected and honored roll. Everything they do on top of that is gravy and should be respected.

Sarah Palin is not asking for the torture of women she is asking for the respect of life. SHe is not judging women who have chosen differently from her she is stating that she disagrees with their point of view.

She chose to be a mother first and then to make the community, state, and world a better place for her kids and ours. Don’t forget Hillary is a loveing mother as well.

These bizzare views of extreme situations ar not what the discussion is about. We need to look at the case of the average person and not get lost in the rough debating the number of angels dancing ont he head of a pin.

My uterus is not to be used against me for the power of men.

Tuppence – I’m a Catholic. The ad didn’t do anything for me, but that’s just me.

Um. What are you talking about?
13 year-old-children should be forced to become mothers?
“Abortion has become about the convenience of an ego.”

Tell Jesus “Hi”.

Oh but there are loving priests just waiting for your child.

…or how many women and MEN use the “choice” of abortion to justify thier own irresponsible behavior? Ever think about ‘morality’ from that perspective?

Your reaction to a shopworn, cliche filled hack video makes me understand why there are so many bad, syrupy commercials on TV.
People are so easy to manipulate.
How easy it was for Hitler.

Oh fuck. I had three (3) abortions, and thank God the service was available.

Oh my…. the pictures of the immigrant families at the turn of the last century becoming the greatest generation during WWII….brought tears to my eyes. Made me very proud and respectful of my heritage. The struggles and sacrifices of my grandparents and parents to provide my generation with all the best this country had to offer.

S’truth! Millions of PUMAs approve that message.

And how many wonderful children have you, personally, had the wonderful experience of giving birth to?

(I thought not)

I think the soundtrack should be recordings of women in labor.

It would be so “beautiful, wonderful, and inspiring” to hear blood curdling screams of pain from little 13 year old girls whose mothers guilt tripped them into subjecting their bodies and minds to horrendous trauma.

Caroline got us Biden!
The rich totally took over our party!

Oh Caroline, your daddy must be so proud up in heaven watching you who have NEVER WORKED A DAY IN YOUR STINKING PEEL ME A GRAPE BEULAH LIFE, OH THAT’S RIGHT YOU DO THE DOWAGER CHARITIES, STEP IN, SHOO THE VOTERS ASIDE AND STICK YOUR LITTLE CUNT OVER OUR PARTY LIKE IT’S YOU OWN PERSONAL DOUCHE.

it isn’t bigotry when a church has declared war on the freedoms this country was founded on.

I have no clue what you are talking about…. And I suspect you have no clue what you are talking about either.

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Absolutely my thoughts and feelings too. As a person raised in the Catholic faith but am not a practicing one right now, this ad struck me deeply. It was so moving because it emphasized family, faith and the common principles that our ancestors fought for to make this great nation. I am pro choice in the sense that I think people have the right to choose for themselves how they live their lives, but I believe in life at conception. I loved this ad. It is more a statement of American values than religious.

I still remember Katrina. If it wasn’t for the churches hundreds of thousands of people would not have survived. The churches stepped in where the government failed us. Church-affiliated people all over this country opened their homes to strangers. Little towns all over this country opened their communities to strangers.

I have a deep love and respect for people who can give of themselves so willingly.

HA! Hardly. I seem to remember him touting his Born Again credentials. But what REALLY gave us Bush, were his friends, the NeoCons. The Fascism the idealize and they are who are trying to shove Backtrack NObama down our throats.

Gee, they’re even running slimier than the Rovian tactics, trying to place their insignia of the Axe as if this was a good thing. The Democrats are bringing down their entire image over this inexperienced egotistical arrogants loser. And they will deserve what they get.

So do most Americans.

Google it. She said it during the week when the democrats were trying to make out Sarah to be nothing more than a baby machine who should stay barefoot and in an apron for the sake of her family.

It was widely reported on AP, news media and blogs.

also – on the ad, my view:

The ad is well made. The issue is personal and deep and evokes mixed feelings in the average person.

Wright, Pfleger, Palin’s baby and Bristol’s pregnancy, Biden and his Bishops, Roe and uterus threats thrown at women who are Dems for Mac.

Hell of a year.

Beautiful powerful ad. I am a liberal, pro choice, gay person and I will be voting for Mccain/Palin. Why? Becaue the democratic party that Dean, Pelosi,Brazile and others have created, is not my democratic party. I am knowone’s moral compass nor do I claim to be. The reality is if our country was made up of only liberals or (like Obama)extreme liberals. We would win zero wars, abortions would be allowed until the 9th month, we would be a socialist society and homosexuals would have no more rights than we have now. Homosexuality and abortion (nowadays)are just words thrown around by democrats to get liberals to the voting booth. I think it’s hilarious that when George Bush ran for office and mentioned God it was a mortal sin to liberals (I am no fan of Bush’s, I just don’t believe in hypocrisy). Obama attends Trinity (black militant view) church weekly for 20 years, calls Jeremiah “racist” Wright his spiritual adviser. Obama has ads while standing at a pulpit at a church and all is ok but Mccain and Palin mention God and my fellow liberals scream fanatics at the top of their lungs. Why don’t liberals grow up and think of life on a grand scale instead of a tiny after thought.

That’s not what defines us as human beings.

A fetus is not breathing on its own. That’s when the soul enters the body. Until then, it’s the biological process of the developement of life. Some of what you describe are involuntary reflexes.

Often during the period you have just described, the biological process stops of it’s own accord. There’s usually no explanation for a still born baby, or even why miscarriages happen.

Until the baby takes that all-important first breath on its own, everything up to that point is biological development.

But again, that’s my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

You are being deliberately manipulative by charting biological developement in a way that makes the fetus seem alive when in reality at week 9, the fetus could not stand on its own.

At 7 months, with the help of an incubator and human medical care, yes, but not at Week 9. And fingernails, hiccupping and frowning don’t change that. The cause of hiccups remain a mystery as does how to really stop them. Certainly that doesn’t define my humanity, my essence. It’s just part of the greater biological unknown of the human body.

The breathe of life, for me is key.

In my humble opinion, the comment wasn’t much of a “gem”. It bordered dangerous close to raising old prejudices and intolerances between Catholics and Protestants. ( And a warning sign to me how much disunity is bubbling beneath the surface in this country specifically because of Nobama’s divide and conquer tactical stategies.)

I truly believe Barky Oblahblah’s campaign will go down as the most divisive in the modern history of our country. Nothing has been off-limits to him or his Obots: not race, not gender, not class, nor religion. His campaign is living by identity politics- and I hope it dies by identity politics.

Come November 5th, all Americans of good will are going to have a lot of hard work to do re-uniting our country and repairing the damage he has caused.

I am very happy to be an independent. To not be democrat or a republican is a good thing for me. When I saw the disloyalty of the democrats in regards to Hillary (turncoats like Richardson and Pelosi), I was thankful that I could stand apart and, in doing so, think for myself.

Yes Elise, they were having a discussion in the first months when she joined the show. She did not know the answer to if the world was round. She thought it was flat.

And yes, why did Barabara Walters choose her? And why is she being paid obscene amounts of money to be this stupid.

I agree. I believe the message is extremely clear to the intended audience. I was in Washington D.C. earlier this year on the Anniversary of Roe v Wade, and their were tens of thousands of Catholics marching to the Capitol in support of their Pro Life beliefs.
This commercial is thought provoking, and it was not designed to insult or degrade anyone. I think this may be one of the most well thought out, effective ads of this political season. Catholics world wide have always held Life to be the most important part of their religion, and as it was intended in the Bible, we were created so that we might join with a mate and create more life. Sorry, but that is what we were created to do. This ad reminds voters that one side respects this, and the other doesn’t. One candidate believes that Life begins at the moment of conception, the other candidate believes it does not begin until the 40th week and the resulting birth. All of us have to choose which of these two very different views will guide us in the only moral issue we are asked to decide upon. There are many other important issues in this election, I believe all of them have to be considered with respect to the outcome of our future, but the most important moral conclusion we are asked to consider, maybe the most important aspect of each candidate’s character that we have to judge each of them with, is this one question.
I am not Catholic, and I am choosing to support John McCain for many reasons, but when I learned of the extreme nature of Sen. Obama’s views of human life and when it begins, I knew that no other reason existed that could make me ever support this man. This is a good ad, and an important one. Congratulations to the Catholics for having the courage to make the point, and raise the question.

I am a devout Catholic and I agree with this ad.
The ad does not endorse any politician but it gives the person the tool to be enlightened & have a wise decision to vote according to his/her conscience.Is that wrong?
My Catholic faith did not tell me to change my presidential choice. I voted straight Democrat for over 30 years but decides to vote for McCain/Palin this November 2008.
sjc is correct.Abortion is an easy way out for irresponsible couple.They should go basic:ZIP THEIR PANTS/JEANS.

Biden is Catholic, he should be sputterting, and his Priest or the Head of his Parrish should questioning how he can run with someone who has the exact opposite viewpoint of his church. I use to live in Wilmington, and i know where Sen. Biden attends church. I also know there are a large amount of Catholics in Wilmington, there are several private Catholic schools in the area, etc. I would love to hear from any DE. Catholics about how this issue is, or isn’t being discussed in these churches.

Abortion should not be the choice, but Abstinence should be the choice made.
When one decides to have sex, doing so without protection, knowing fully well, that becoming pregnant is possible. THAT is where the choice should lay. And the Catholic religion is NOT the enemy of Democracy. I do not know of any religion that would approve of the murder of a child who never drew its first breath!!!

I am not Catholic either. I think your comment was very well articulated!! Loved your comment about Mr. Obama. No Obama, No way!!!

I think redefining what “pro-choice” means and what “pro-life” means will be the next paradigm shift. Women are being strangled with the threat of Roe v. Wade being overturned. The Pateriarchal Left is manipulating women with this threat. Meanwhile, most people in this country think that abortion should be safe, legal and RARE. How to make it RARE is the real question. That demands an intellectual, emotional, cultural innovation that both the Left and the Right are incapable of.

As for the video, smacks of Fascism. They really lost me when they showed the Footbal huddle right before the word Sacred. WTF????

I’m with you, Tuppence. But while there has been vitriol, there’s been some good, objective commentary from many here, and many from non-Catholics. One subtle thing I noted in the ad, was the man by the silo in an agrarian setting. The notion of land stewardship, the earth’s bounty and our duty to feed and care for “the least of us” is traditional Catholic thought beautifully covered in the encyclical ‘Rerum Novarum’. It’s an amazing document, and it reads like it might have been written today; i doubt many here could find much to disagree with in its words and spirit.

This was an exccptionally moving and beautiful ad. Using visual beauty and emotional power, it proves that a picture is worth a thougsand words. I think it will really be effective in promoting the pro-life cause. It doesn’t bother with the rationalistic jargon we all use to explain the truths we know with our hearts.

The huge number responses by raving haters proves it hit the abortion crowd where it hurts.

Hooray, Catholicvote.com !

Many more wish they were not bogged down in a prison of screaming babies, stinking diapers, and vomit.

The ad is moving. But as a gay american I support life and family (plan to have one).

I don’t see why I should be excluded.

I don’t think there are many religions, including most Christian denominations, that condone abortion. The Catholic church may just have the budget to publicize their stand on the issue. I am a pro-choice Dem voting for McCain, and I truly do not feel that Roe v. Wade will be threatened by my vote. Obama poses a much greater threat to my values as an American. Also, I appreciate the freedom we have to either produce such a video, or disagree with it. In Obamaland, it’s OK to illegally impede the operations of numerous websites and radio shows because they don’t agree with the message.

BTW, the video was touching, strong … should please devout Christians.

Since you asked how it made me FEEL:
TERRIBLE. The music was somber, then morphed into a RUSSIAN Soviet DEATH nationalism sound. Sure didn’t say family and life and country, THAT’S FOR SURE.
2. the voting booth was goofy – confused (confessional or voting booth?)
3. gas price was too high, it was a lie -anger
4. what the heck did the nuke towers mean ? -CONFUSED
5. Is the farmer stumped, too ? STUPID- so angry
6. The mother w baby is NAKED – too racey for a catholic ad – ANGER
7. the blacks holding hands in the air in the front yard of the white building was INSULTING – what are they on some slave plantation ? What the heck was that ?
8. he blacked and whited pic of the little black kid holding the PEACE sign was INSULTING – more racial politics – stupid stupid stupid playing games
9. The MLK pic was COOL – felt GOOD for the 1st time. that was WORTH SHOWING
10. The older B&W pics with the older people holding miniflags (and a child) was GOOD – liked that – felt good.
11. Bidens face – ruined it with stupod obama on the side – and it made me sick to see Palin and McCain portayed as “serious”. I got angry again – how STUPID do they expect people to be ? It screams propaganda.
12. Kinda lost track there…. who cares, it was LOUSY.
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I guess I’m a terrible liberal who can’t just sit there like a mind numbed sponge and “absorb my feelings impressions”.
No hypnotist could ever put me under either – it just doesn’t work.
Sorry, someone may call me an angry person but that isn’t it at all.
They pull this decpetion crap and they aren’t any good at it. They certainly should have hired me for a million bucks. The first thing that goes is their CRAPPY death worship music.
What a SHAME, the Catholic Nuns didn’t make this, this is some farmed out Ad to some devil inspired insipid dolts controlled by SATAN.

If they can’t or won’t countenance abortion, it won’t affect them one bit because then they never voted democrat since 1973 anyway.

I wasn’t moved at all, because I have never supported abortion. Gee, maybe it was my little sister in Mommies tummy when I was 7 years old that I still remember. Yeah, we (3 of us kids) went to the **ttle***’* across the street and had a big bucket of KFC when Mommie was away having the baby.
Not sure what I knew at the time, but it’s obvious now.
I can still see the bulging tummy in my mind, can still see the strange kitchen and the table a bunch of us sat at, and Mr. **ttle***, I can still see his happy face and big friendly smile, I know he was a great guy even though I was just a youngster at the time.
I HATED the commercial. It must be targeted at abotionists.
Only thing I can figure.

WOW.
” I was born because abortion was illegal. I am so pro-choice. I just want more and more people to choose life. Maybe if more people really knew what was at stake they would make a different decision. But I am not for thrusting anything down anyones throat. It must always remain a personal decision.”
lol
What can anyone say to that cop out ? How they don’t know what is at stake is what is so absolutely strange.
I don’t support ANYONE’s “personal decision” in this EVER.
Like you said, (you’d have been murdered) and wouldn’t be here.
It doesn’t take a Catholic Church or any religion or any other IDIOT on the face of the earth to explain this one to me.
No wonder half the US popualtion is utterly INSANE.

i used to be a democrat until my eyes were opened by two evil platforms they fight for. keep roe v. wade (to abort babies is to kill them); and same sex marriage (corrupting the sanctity of marriage). now, as to the candidates – if you owned a business w/c is the prize of your life and need a company president to run it; would you hire a rookie? obama is a rookie.it’s unbelievable people will choose someone who has not finished his first term as a senator; not to say who spends more time of his rookie years campaigning than stay in the senate, to run the most powerful country in the world! why not wait another 8 yrs (he’ll only be 55 yrs) and prove himself if he is truly what he says he is? why the rush? WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE RUSHING TO ELECT A ROOKIE?this is too much big risk for us americans and this great country w/c we all love. AMERICA WAKE UP!!!

It’s very powerful and I don’t necessarily see it as partisan, per se. As usual, the Democratic Party is allowing the GOP to co-opt patriotism, life, the family – so it appears that the ad is an endorsement for the GOP ticket.

American Catholics are actually Protestants deep down. We don’t fall in line for the Pope – many believe in birth control and quietly use it. There are times when American bishops verge on schism from the Vatican.

But this ad does strike at core values as the Church presents them. It is very well done. It won’t help Obama.
-Catholic Girl whose great-grandfather provided the stone for St. Patrick’s in NYC

SHAMEFUL AD!

Absolutely horrifying that the Church would pander to cheap patriotism mixed with assaults on women’s inelianable right to contol their bodies. Typical!

WOMEN HAVE THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO EXERCISE CONTROL OVER THEIR BODY AND NOT LISTEN TO A MAN, HOWEVER HOLY, WHO HAS NOT HAD EVEN A FLEETING INTIMACY WITH A REAL WOMAN….TAKE YOUR FASCIST VIEWS AND PUT THEM IN THE VATICAN—NO WOMEN THERE TO CARE FOR, ANYWAY!

GOD BLESS WOMEN AND THEIR RIGHT OF CHOICE! We are not your children!

HARP

DON’T BE SO SMUG! PUMAS’ HEADS WILL EXPLODE OVER THIS IGNOMINIOUS, CHEAP SHOTS AGAINST WOMEN’S RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR OWN BODIES…NOT YOURS!!!
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBAMBI’S THUGS. YOU ARE ATTACKING WOMEN WHO DON’T FALL UNDER THE REPUBLICANS’ DISGUSTING ANTI-WOMAN AGENDA!

IS THIS NOW A REPUBLICAN RIGHT-WING ANTI-WOMAN-=CHOICE SITE…SAD…..to treat women as children again…that’s why WOMEN USED TO VOTE FOR THE EX-DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

NO PARTY TO GO BUT INDEPENDENT!!!!

GO PUMAS FORM OUR OWN PARTY!!!

LIPSTICK LA PIB

YOU’RE JUST A SEXIST PIG AND IT SHOWS IN YOUR DISGUSTING OUT OF LINE COMMENTS HERE!!shut the hell up, ignorant filthy man!

I think this ad is terrible to imply Catholics should vote only on the abortion issue. The Vatican also opposes the War in Iraq…and the major loss of life the Republicans are inflicting. PLease don’t think us so dumb as to be manipulated by this video to think Palin or McCain are right for Catholics. Jesus doesn’t belong to only one party, and Republican support of war is hypocritical to the Pro-life cause.

The ad was powerful. I hope of the kool-aid drinkers get to see it. Barry Obama and his never proud of this country wife need to be sent to live in Europe where his solialist thinking will get him somewhere. Not experience enought to be the leader of the USA.

I guess then, by that token, that government never should have gotten intertwined with moral issues – that’s church business. It’s too late for that line of thinking. Get real and realize that churches have to fight against everything that tries to deprive people of God, even if it is the government.

i’m a bleck, lesbian, pro-choice 4th generation entirely Catholic-schooled (grade school through university) Christian. This video is the of the run-of-the-mill, anti-abortion sort that ties exclusivity of love of family and country to a singular, uber-ideology. Hopefully, one day, we will be beyond this…

i’m a bleck, lesbian, pro-choice 4th generation entirely Catholic-schooled (grade school through university) Christian who voted Republican once (Tom McClintock because the California budget is a disaster). This video is of the run-of-the-mill, anti-abortion sort that ties exclusivity of love of family and country to a singular, uber-ideology. Hopefully, one day, we will be beyond this…