Comments on: We’re Number Eleven! We’re Number Eleven! Woohoo! *Open Thread* http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397589 Katmoon Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:55:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397589 Too bad this much attention wasn't given when the Sundance Lodge was vandalized: then again these are just Native Americans. Source: <a href="http://newsok.com/battle-over-sun-dance-heats-up/article/1871477" rel="nofollow">http://newsok.com/battle-over-sun-dance-heats-up/article/1871477</a>   <b>B</b>efore it was forbidden the annual Sun Dance was held by many American Native tribes, practically all of the Plains Indian tribes. It was performed in the summer, usually in late July or early August, after the buffalo hunts. The Christian missionaries along with the federal government sought to prohibit the dance after seeing of the practices that were executed in the ceremony, especially the piercing of the young men's chests. This to them was brutal torture because they failed to comprehend the spiritual significance of the practices and the dance. Some of the practices were banned in Canada in 1880 and the dance in the United States in 1904.  The Native American tribes who practiced sun dance were: The Arapaho, Arikara, Asbinboine, Cheyenne, Crow, Gros, Ventre, Hidutsa, Sioux, Plains Cree, Plains Ojibway, Sarasi, Omaha, Ponca, Ute, Shoshone, Kiowa, and Blackfoot tribes. Their rituals varied from tribe to tribe. The sun dance was outlawed in the latter part of the nineteenth century, partly because certain tribes inflicted self-torture as part of the ceremony, which settlers found gruesome, and partially as part of a grand attempt to westernize Indians by forbidding them to engage in their ceremonies and speak their language. The Sun Dance is again legal through the passage of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978*, which President Jimmy Carter signed into law. This legislation granted the <b>American Natives</b> the right to practice their traditional religious ceremonies.     Too bad this much attention wasn’t given when the Sundance Lodge was vandalized: then again these are just Native Americans.
Source:
http://newsok.com/battle-over-sun-dance-heats-up/article/1871477
 
Before it was forbidden the annual Sun Dance was held by many American Native tribes, practically all of the Plains Indian tribes. It was performed in the summer, usually in late July or early August, after the buffalo hunts. The Christian missionaries along with the federal government sought to prohibit the dance after seeing of the practices that were executed in the ceremony, especially the piercing of the young men’s chests. This to them was brutal torture because they failed to comprehend the spiritual significance of the practices and the dance. Some of the practices were banned in Canada in 1880 and the dance in the United States in 1904.
 The Native American tribes who practiced sun dance were:
The Arapaho, Arikara, Asbinboine, Cheyenne, Crow, Gros, Ventre, Hidutsa, Sioux, Plains Cree, Plains Ojibway, Sarasi, Omaha, Ponca, Ute, Shoshone, Kiowa, and Blackfoot tribes. Their rituals varied from tribe to tribe.
The sun dance was outlawed in the latter part of the nineteenth century, partly because certain tribes inflicted self-torture as part of the ceremony, which settlers found gruesome, and partially as part of a grand attempt to westernize Indians by forbidding them to engage in their ceremonies and speak their language. The Sun Dance is again legal through the passage of the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978*, which President Jimmy Carter signed into law. This legislation granted the American Natives the right to practice their traditional religious ceremonies.

 
 

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397580 Noogan Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:29:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397580 <a><strong>California mosque vandalized, Ground Zero mentioned:</strong> </a><a>The signs read "No Temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero. ANB," "Wake up America, the Enemy is here. ANB" and "American Nationalist Brotherhood." </a><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103639864037&s=27200&e=001mMGAwdpb6QYOlyYQydjRxlsYuLcJHO87R2iYgLkkmffF_Ivkkn23ydQvGvCPuALCarty2YY3H3fEycRyPux7udt-lMccLJ06aMrc66v7Kj4uKe0r4tcOHgi2i2Ki6Lxs9ikW6o4H83cgMdViG5nAUOF9nQ2_M9lrm2NyNh5WOcVzRAQ1sJuPw0Y2GMnBGy_oSE_AhFf9h80=" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/25/99652/california-mosque-vandalized-ground.html</a>  California mosque vandalized, Ground Zero mentioned: The signs read “No Temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero. ANB,” “Wake up America, the Enemy is here. ANB” and “American Nationalist Brotherhood.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/25/99652/california-mosque-vandalized-ground.html 

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397327 Breeze Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:17:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397327 - FROM HILLBUZZ: Sundance Cracker Says: <a href="http://hillbuzz.org/2010/08/26/thursday-open-thread-august-26th-2010/#comment-247847" rel="nofollow">August 26, 2010 at 12:54 pm</a>   I’m attaching a link to a government terrorism exhibit court case. This should put to rest the argument about the motives behind the intent of the mosque. Pay particular attention to last paragraph in #4 explaining Islamic directive for North America. Also, #17 about Mosques used as “batallions” for staging. <a href="http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/PDF/GovtExM.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/PDF/GovtExM.pdf</a> Sundance Cracker Says: <a href="http://hillbuzz.org/2010/08/26/thursday-open-thread-august-26th-2010/#comment-247856" rel="nofollow">August 26, 2010 at 1:04 pm</a> Excerpt: “4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America: The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet.” Rauf was a key component in creation of this Islamic directive. Please read. CAS Says: <a href="http://hillbuzz.org/2010/08/26/thursday-open-thread-august-26th-2010/#comment-247873" rel="nofollow">August 26, 2010 at 1:14 pm</a> Spooky – I was just reading this over at The Investigative Project on Terror. -

FROM HILLBUZZ:

Sundance Cracker Says:
August 26, 2010 at 12:54 pm
 
I’m attaching a link to a government terrorism exhibit court case. This should put to rest the argument about the motives behind the intent of the mosque.
Pay particular attention to last paragraph in #4 explaining Islamic directive for North America. Also, #17 about Mosques used as “batallions” for staging.
http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/PDF/GovtExM.pdf

Sundance Cracker Says:
August 26, 2010 at 1:04 pm

Excerpt:

“4- Understanding the role of the Muslim Brother in North America:
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet.”
Rauf was a key component in creation of this Islamic directive. Please read.

CAS Says:
August 26, 2010 at 1:14 pm

Spooky – I was just reading this over at The Investigative Project on Terror.

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397151 Noogan Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:45:55 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397151 The only way to stop the rot is for President Obama to consider for a moment what is good for the United States rather than for his political party’s hold on power.  He should act like a true statesman instead of a used car salesman.  If he is uncertain how to do that there are a number of good nineteenth century political biographies that he can read up on to learn the ropes.  He must stand up before the American people and state simply and unequivocally that Washington opposes any new military action in the Middle East and that the United States is not threatened by Iran and will take no part in any military action directed against it.  He might add that the US will further consider anyone staging such an attack as an aggressor nation and will immediately break off relations before demanding a UN Security Council vote to condemn the action.  Will that happen?  Fat chance. <a href="http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/08/25/boxed-into-a-corner-on-iran/" rel="nofollow">http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/08/25/boxed-into-a-corner-on-iran/</a> <a><strong>Mossad in America</strong> <strong>By Philip Giraldi - Former CIA Officer</strong> </a><a>Israeli intelligence steps up its activity in the U.S. - and gets away with it.  </a><a href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1103637705161&s=27200&e=001Tc6rG0GwNPRX7Ods6iAPG8pgsqqcQF0lnnZVed4bmqvqsTXlVwdet7nPa7JrHvshr6n9hJeQCHgvgrxJxTrob-_kfx8kR7y3t7gNOAZ60gzkFfIOdbNiHvj5B0_tlK2QB9U39lEMencTB3eD3QVWS2zdOuWuDnN-" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26236.htm</a>  The only way to stop the rot is for President Obama to consider for a moment what is good for the United States rather than for his political party’s hold on power.  He should act like a true statesman instead of a used car salesman.  If he is uncertain how to do that there are a number of good nineteenth century political biographies that he can read up on to learn the ropes.  He must stand up before the American people and state simply and unequivocally that Washington opposes any new military action in the Middle East and that the United States is not threatened by Iran and will take no part in any military action directed against it.  He might add that the US will further consider anyone staging such an attack as an aggressor nation and will immediately break off relations before demanding a UN Security Council vote to condemn the action.  Will that happen?  Fat chance.
http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/08/25/boxed-into-a-corner-on-iran/
Mossad in America By Philip Giraldi – Former CIA Officer Israeli intelligence steps up its activity in the U.S. – and gets away with it. 
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26236.htm 

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397150 Noogan Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:40:26 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397150 <b>Ron Paul</b> <a href="http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-08-20/ron-paul-sunshine-patriots-stop-your-demagogy-about-the-nyc-mosque/" rel="nofollow">issued a statement today</a> excoriating conservative opponents of Park51 for violating their alleged belief in religious freedom and property rights, and added: In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it. They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. . . Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam -- the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia. . . . The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. . . . . This is all about hate and Islamaphobia. It is<b> indeed </b>"about hate and Islamaphobia," and that is the driving, enabling force behind so many of America's most controversial and destructive policies. Ron Paul issued a statement today excoriating conservative opponents of Park51 for violating their alleged belief in religious freedom and property rights, and added:

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.
They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. . . Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam — the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia. . . .
The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. . . . . This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

It is indeed “about hate and Islamaphobia,” and that is the driving, enabling force behind so many of America’s most controversial and destructive policies.

]]> By: Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397146 Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:14:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397146 Ironically, that man chose to be abusive as his way of demonstrating, you know, to prove how "tolerant" he is... Ironically, that man chose to be abusive as his way of demonstrating, you know, to prove how “tolerant” he is…

]]> By: getfitnow http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397144 getfitnow Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:57:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397144 This is what's so crazy. I haven't heard anyone say they <i>can't</i> build it. Just do it somewhere else. This is not intolerance, imo. This is what’s so crazy. I haven’t heard anyone say they can’t build it. Just do it somewhere else. This is not intolerance, imo.

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397143 Noogan Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:56:03 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397143 <b>Neocons</b> pushing the anti-Muslim hate: http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/08/25/glenn-greenwald-28/ Neocons pushing the anti-Muslim hate:

http://antiwar.com/radio/2010/08/25/glenn-greenwald-28/

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397142 Noogan Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:53:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397142 <b>New York (CNN)</b> -- A coalition of at least 40 religious and civic organizations Wednesday announced the creation of an alliance to show support for the Islamic community center and mosque proposed to be built near New York's ground zero.The group has launched a website -- nyneighbors.org -- and announced a candlelight vigil to be held at the site of the proposed center on the eve of the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attack.Members of the coalition gathered at a municipal building in Manhattan to announce the group's creation.Talat Hamdani, whose son was killed in the attack, told CNN on Wednesday, "The issue is not about location. It is about our rights as Americans.""All those people who died that day ... they were murdered for being Americans. We should honor those people who were murdered that day by living up to America's core values," Hamdani said. New York (CNN) – A coalition of at least 40 religious and civic organizations Wednesday announced the creation of an alliance to show support for the Islamic community center and mosque proposed to be built near New York’s ground zero.The group has launched a website — nyneighbors.org — and announced a candlelight vigil to be held at the site of the proposed center on the eve of the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attack.Members of the coalition gathered at a municipal building in Manhattan to announce the group’s creation.Talat Hamdani, whose son was killed in the attack, told CNN on Wednesday, “The issue is not about location. It is about our rights as Americans.”"All those people who died that day … they were murdered for being Americans. We should honor those people who were murdered that day by living up to America’s core values,” Hamdani said.

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397140 Noogan Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:49:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397140 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J45U20100825?type=domesticNews&feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=76 NY Muslim project spurs support coalition Wed, Aug 25 2010 By <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=michelle.nichols&" rel="nofollow">Michelle Nichols</a> NEW YORK (Reuters) - Muslim, Jewish, Christian and civic groups formed a coalition on Wednesday to back a plan for a Muslim center near the site of the World Trade Center attacks in New York that has sparked heated national debate. The cultural center and mosque face fierce opposition from conservative politicians and people who consider its location insensitive to families of the nearly 3,000 people killed in the September 11 attacks by al Qaeda militants in 2001. But the newly formed New York Neighbors for American Values, made up of more than 40 religious and civic groups, said the debate was creating fear and division and that it would fight for U.S. constitutional freedoms to be upheld. "We were not attacked by the Muslim world," said Donna O'Connor, spokeswoman for September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, whose pregnant daughter was killed in the World Trade Center attacks. "We 100 percent fully support the Islamic cultural center in New York City." http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67J45U20100825?type=domesticNews&feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&rpc=76
NY Muslim project spurs support coalition

Wed, Aug 25 2010
By Michelle Nichols
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Muslim, Jewish, Christian and civic groups formed a coalition on Wednesday to back a plan for a Muslim center near the site of the World Trade Center attacks in New York that has sparked heated national debate.
The cultural center and mosque face fierce opposition from conservative politicians and people who consider its location insensitive to families of the nearly 3,000 people killed in the September 11 attacks by al Qaeda militants in 2001.
But the newly formed New York Neighbors for American Values, made up of more than 40 religious and civic groups, said the debate was creating fear and division and that it would fight for U.S. constitutional freedoms to be upheld.
“We were not attacked by the Muslim world,” said Donna O’Connor, spokeswoman for September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, whose pregnant daughter was killed in the World Trade Center attacks. “We 100 percent fully support the Islamic cultural center in New York City.”

]]> By: rosa http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397089 rosa Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:11:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397089 and if you remember it was obama making it a public nation wide issue by his comments. and if you remember it was obama making it a public nation wide issue by his comments.

]]> By: ~~JustMe~~ http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397070 ~~JustMe~~ Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:08:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397070 <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/25/joe-miller-alaska-senate-primary" rel="nofollow">Tea Party man Joe Miller set to cause a stir in Alaska</a> Rightwing candidate backed by Sarah Palin on course to defeat moderate Republican Lisa Murkowski in Senate primary Tea Party man Joe Miller set to cause a stir in Alaska

Rightwing candidate backed by Sarah Palin on course to defeat moderate Republican Lisa Murkowski in Senate primary

]]> By: ~~JustMe~~ http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397069 ~~JustMe~~ Thu, 26 Aug 2010 04:07:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397069 <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/aug/25/investors-boardroom-pay" rel="nofollow">US investors win right to challenge runaway boardroom pay packets</a> Securities and exchange commission measure makes it easier for shareholders to unseat directors of Wall Street-listed companies <a href="http://topsy.com/tb/www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/aug/25/investors-boardroom-pay" rel="nofollow"></a> US investors win right to challenge runaway boardroom pay packets

Securities and exchange commission measure makes it easier for shareholders to unseat directors of Wall Street-listed companies

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1397004 Breeze Thu, 26 Aug 2010 01:39:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1397004 -     Well, it wasn't enough to report Arizona to the UN, now this:     <a href="http://cdn.js-kit.com/thread/?artnum=560618" rel="nofollow">Obama administration indicts America</a><a href="http://cdn.js-kit.com/thread/?artnum=560618" rel="nofollow"></a>     <b></b>  <b>Washington Times, </b>  <b>by Editorial</b>        <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/25/obama-administration-indicts-america/" rel="nofollow">Original Article</a>   <b></b>  <b>8/25/2010 </b>  <strong></strong>  Move over Cuba, Iran, North Korea and Syria. The State Department has made it official:     The United States violates human rights.     In an unprecedented move, the Obama administration submitted a report to the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights detailing the progress and problems in dealing with human rights issues in this country. The document is a strange combination of left-wing history and White House talking points. It describes how the United States discriminates against the disabled, homosexuals, women, Native Americans, blacks, Hispanics and those who don't speak English. There is the expected pandering to Muslims.... -  
 
Well, it wasn’t enough to report Arizona to the UN, now this:  
 
Obama administration indicts America  
 
 
Washington Times,  
by Editorial     
 
Original Article  
 
8/25/2010  
 
Move over Cuba, Iran, North Korea and Syria. The State Department has made it official:  
 
The United States violates human rights.  
 
In an unprecedented move, the Obama administration submitted a report to the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights detailing the progress and problems in dealing with human rights issues in this country. The document is a strange combination of left-wing history and White House talking points. It describes how the United States discriminates against the disabled, homosexuals, women, Native Americans, blacks, Hispanics and those who don’t speak English. There is the expected pandering to Muslims….

]]> By: My Site (click to edit) http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49373/were-number-eleven-were-number-eleven-woohoo-open-thread/#comment-1396994 My Site (click to edit) Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:48:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49373#comment-1396994 I don't even believe these ratings.  The U. S. consistently ranks around 23rd in these surveys and it's in worse shape than ever right now.  Denmark is usually no. 1. I don’t even believe these ratings.  The U. S. consistently ranks around 23rd in these surveys and it’s in worse shape than ever right now.  Denmark is usually no. 1.

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