Hillary Clinton’s Detailed Economic Proposals

I live in NH and yesterday attended a family get together of about 30 members (I am from a HUGE catholic family and a cousin was governor of NH back in the late 60s so we’re into politics) Not one person supported Obama. About half the family is Democratic and half republicans and most who vote are going for McCain/Palin. My dad, a staunch democrat said he had heard that Hillary might step in to VP slot and if she did he’d vote Dem. I was tickled that he thought so well of Hillary, as did most of my family members. I doubt that I would vote for Obama regardless because I feel I am more aware than others in my family (I’m the only blogger) of all of Obama’s serious negatives.

Anyways I was pleasantly surprised that we all did not like Obama.

Both Hillary and John McCain have very similar plans to deal with this situation.
In the Absence of Hillary John McCain is our best bet. The 2 of them working together will get things done for the people of this nation.

We need to contact our Reps in DC and tell them to pass the bill to stabalize the markets without tacking all kinds of unfunded crap to this bill.

Rock on–get out the Vote for McCain in NH! (^_^)

So let me get this straight, as a republican if I say something negative about Hillary, then you will donate $50 to McCain, because you think I am a Obama troll ???

HILLARY IS A SELL OUT THAT PUT HER OWN POLITICAL INTERESTS ABOVE THOSE OF HER OWN COUNTRY.

HILLARY CLAIMED TO BE A FIGHTER, BUT REFUSED TO PUT UP ANY KIND OF A FIGHT AT THE CONVENTION, BECAUSED OBAMA ORDERED HER NOT TO.

Okay so that should be $100 right ?

You have to read this article. Obama’s pro-choice position has gone too far.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/nyt_trashing_truthtellers_on_o.html

Invoking racism into the election is not about shaming whites into voting black. Invoking racism is to incite racism on the streets to make sure that the minorities vote for the minority and that they make it to the polls on Election Day.

I can talk about Hillary and Bill ” I did not have sex with that woman” Clinton all day long, if it gets McCain $50 a pop .

Actually, now I’ve decided to match that. So say $200.

are you stupid, JM08? just asking. don’t you have republican blogs you can visit? you come here, dis-respect Hillary Clinton, and expect us to coddle you. If you have any self-respect, and if you are a repub, go to repub blogs, and enjoy. but when you come here, state that you are a repub, and then go on to dis-respect our choice, Hillary Clinton, that makes you a troll. In the end, whatever you say, if you continue this behaviour, you’re just a stupid troll. Please have the intelligence to understand and respect what I say. In an earlier post, another Clinton supporter slammed you. Now, you are getting slammed again. grow up, and go to your repub blogs. or else, you definitely are a troll.

You have a right to an opinion, and I would have been willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about being a troll, except now you are being insulting and abusive to the Clintons with a thin excuse about how it benefits McCain. Peddle it elsewhere. If you aren’t a troll, you resemble one.

SOWELL: Idols and crowds

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/20/idols-and-crowds/

“A human group transforms itself into a crowd when it suddenly responds to a suggestion rather than to reasoning, to an image rather than to an idea, to an affirmation rather than to proof, to the repetition of a phrase rather than to arguments, to prestige rather than to competence.”

If I go to a republican blog and slam Hillary Clinton, all it is going to get me is a “tell me something I dont already know”.

But apparently on this site it gets me a boatload of cash for McCain.

So you do math where I am more valuable at for the republicans.

My goal in the begining was not to be a personal one man fund raising wrecking machine for McCain. My goal was to simply exchange thoughts and ideas with other people that wanted Obama defeated. I did not think my low opinion of Hillary Clinton was a issue, because she is not the one on the ballot …Obama is the one on the ballot.

But apparently certain people on this site cant believe it is possible to have a low opinion of Hillary Clinton, and also be a John McCain supporter at the same time. Which is a bit odd, since the conventional wisdom has been for years that nothing energizes and unites the republicans like the Clintons.

So you slander me by calling me a obama troll.

When the reality is that I have been more negative, and advocated the most extreme attacks on Obama.

Meanwhile alot of the posters on this site that want to discourage any harsh attacks on Obama are the ones calling me a obama troll.

It seems to me if you want mccain to take it easy on obama, and you want to attack any poster, like myself, that wants to nail obamas ass to the wall, then it is you that is more likely a obama troll.

Please stop responding to trolls.

If we’re Republicans, we should enjoy hearing Hillary being insulted. This may be JM08′s way of being nice to us.

It seems to me that Hillary was saying all of this during the primaries and no body was listening…..even now, we get a replay, and no one is listening! We cannot wait until January 2009! The time to act is now! The democratic party has made a HUGE mistake in kicking this woman to the curb. We must throw away partisan politics at this crucial moment in our history and come together to get something done NOW.

I loved Hillary more than most, and still do, but I have to agree with your ALL CAP statement. This is how I’ve been feeling about Hillary and I’m not sure if down the road I can ever respect her again. Every time I hear in the media about her latest effort to help Obama or how I can see her being manipulated for the DNC’s own agenda I get a knot in my stomach as do many Hillary supporters, or PUMAS, I’m sure.

FACTCHECK

HILLARY CLINTON IS CAMPAIGNING FOR OBAMA.

SO YOU HAVE TO COME TO ONE OF TWO CONCLUSIONS.

EITHER

1. A LIGHT SHINED DOWN UPON HER RECENTLY AND A VOICE TOLD HER TO SUPPORT OBAMA, AND NOW SHE BELIEVES HE REALLY IS THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB.

OR

2. SHE STILLS BELIEVES THAT OBAMA IS UNQUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT, BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP HER OWN POLITICAL STOCK AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE, SHE HAS DECIDED TO ENDORSE HIM ANYWAYS.

THOSE CAN BE THE ONLY TWO SCENARIOS. I AM NOT A TROLL FOR POINTING OUT THE FACTS. IT EITHER HAS TO BE SCENARIO 1 OR SCENARIO 2.

I KNOW YOU GUYS DONT LIKE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HILLARY, SO YOU BELIEVE THAT SHE IS CAMPAIGNING FOR OBAMA, BECAUSE SHE HAS SOME TOP SECRET HIDDEN PLAN TO BRING OBAMA DOWN BEHIND THE SCENES AND ONLY HER AND BILL KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT SORRY I STOPPED BELIEVING IN SANTA CLAUS AND THE EASTER BUNNY A LONG TIME AGO …

Comment by JM08 | 2008-09-20 21:23:46

Skip, voting for cynthia mckinney does not make you a racist, but it does make you a IDIOT.

Heres a tip … Save your gas money and just pretend you voted LOL

Damn Cynthia McKinney … No woman symbolizes the black community as much as her … She is about as ghetto as they come LOL

It seems Obama is rolling in the mud these days..

Obama in the mud: So much for honesty
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Obama+in+the+mud%3a+So+much+for+honesty&articleId=25fbff30-e785-4106-af08-92f0bbe63968

one more…
Obama’s Social Security Whopper
http://www.newsweek.com/id/160179

Glad to see some will point out the truth..

I could be wrong, but I feel that if McCain wins, he will choose Hillary to be a very important part of his administration One way or another, he will seek and respect her advice, as he always has.

Why would you talk about 2 people not running for president? Bashing Hillary just makes you boring and silly like the boys at KOS.

You were much more interesting when you had alarmist facts at your fingertips.

This level of “Hilltrolling” is beneath you and the rest of the readership here, so $150 to McCain for that and all future Hillary BS.

Now go outside and play.

JM08 is a troll. avoid him/her/it.

The question on the Hillary generic Democratic platform is if you think that the government should grow to 4.5 trillion by 2012? Can this be done? How?

Second, for those who support Hillary’s health care reform over McCain’s health care overhaul. Is it okay that each employer in the U.S. be mandated to carry health care insurance for its employee as the first order of business when applying for a business license?

If the health care system as Hillary proposes, would be set on the backs of employers, that is, every person belongs to a group of employees, and health insurance companies are required to cover the uninsurable and the pre-existent chronically ill people, how can health insurance companies afford to cover them and lower the rates at the same time? How will employer’s be able to afford to pay health insurance for its employee as first order of business and capitalize their inventory or add services at the same time? With what capital and who will capitalize any risky venture?

The premise under Hillary’s and Obama’s health care plan is that business can manipulate their risk of doing business. Meaning that risk can be pre-determined. Can any enterprise, no less a new venture of any size, pre-determine their risks and thus capitalize apriori health care expenses for their employees?

If he is smart he will…

later all…have a good day.

This one is quite tasty, from McCain’s website. Clearly he’s sending a message to the media:
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Obama in the Mud: so Much for Honesty

Obama In The Mud: So Much For Honesty
Editorial
New Hampshire Union Leader
September 21, 2008

When Barack Obama first began campaigning in New Hampshire in early 2007, many voters swooned. We watched him speak to retirees in Claremont one snowy February day that year. Not a single voter we talked with before he spoke planned to vote for him. Afterwards, many said they would. The word that spontaneously came from the lips of multiple attendees: sincere. They couldn’t remember a politician who spoke with such sincerity, they said. And many of them had been voting since World War II.

We wonder what those same voters think of Obama’s sincerity now. In the past few weeks, Obama has thrown so many false accusations against John McCain that just keeping track of them has become difficult. And these aren’t innocent errors. They are deliberate distortions of the sort Obama has always said he reviles.

On Thursday, Obama said of McCain, “He has consistently opposed the sorts of common-sense regulations that might have lessened the current crisis.” That’s entirely untrue.

As The Washington Post pointed out in an editorial on Friday, McCain in fact has supported many new regulations of financial institutions, including some that Obama opposed. “In 2006, he pushed for stronger regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — while Mr. Obama was notably silent,” The Post wrote….

Yeah breeze I did say Cynthia McKinney was GHETTO, and I stand by that statement.

You have black people and you have (the n-word).

Cynthia McKinney is defiantly one that falls in the n-word category.

Did you see the video where she got caught with the mic on at that even where she was talking about “cos”

or when she attacked that security guard for asking for her ID ?

Yeah Cynthia McKinney is the n-word, and it has nothing to do with her corn-rows, so dont even go there …

I guess some black people might not like that assesment, but since mccain is losing the black vote in ohio 98% – 0% already , I dont think its really a big deal.

Makes me wonder who the heck the pollsters are talking to.

Alternatively, maybe the otherwise unemployable college kids who make the pollster’s phone calls are fudging the answers they receive, or simply tossing the “irrelevant” NoBama interviews into the bit bucket.

WILL YOU GO AWAY!!! JM08!!! This thread is about the economic crisis we are facing right NOW. You are hijacking this thread. GO AWAY.

I am re-posting this, and I hope all PUMA’s read it….

Going off topic on this one. This is a bit long, but I was touched by this PUMA:

(Sept 20, 2008)**** Firsthand Report***** I Was Invited To Speak As Hillary Supporter For McCain At Campaign Rally

As a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, I recently had the opportunity to give a speech at a McCain rally as to why I have now switched my support to Sen. McCain. In private e-mails with friends and forum members I have been encouraged to post the text of my speech here for everyone to read.

I can honestly say it was well received by the target audience and I was completely shocked to receive a standing ovation. What I spoke of that day was spoken in truth and from my heart. I hope all here will find it inspirational. Here is the text of my speech.

Good morning! I am so honored to be here today, and to speak to you about why I am supporting Sen. John McCain for President.

A supporter of Democrats my entire life, I was an avid supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton. But, when she suspended her campaign in June, I knew I would throw my support behind Sen. John McCain. Not out of anger or spite, but because Sen. Hillary Clinton was right when she said she would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House, Sen. McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House, and Sen. Obama would bring a speech.

It was a simple decision and now I am the State Chair for “Citizens for McCain,” an organization founded by Sen. Joe Lieberman for Democrats and Independents who put their country first and support the candidate for president who has a proven record of bipartisanship politics.

I agree with Sen. McCain on many issues – the important issues. I trust in his plans for energy independence, tax cuts, creating jobs for Americans, better health care, and as a mother of a soldier who has served in Iraq I trust him to bring our troops home safely and in victory. I trust him to get the government’s spending under control and I trust him to implement policies that will return the strength to our economy and ease the burdens so many Americans carry each day. I trust him to do those things because he has promised those things.

And Sen. McCain says what he means and he means what he says. He is a man of character and those seem to be in short supply in Washington these days. But, Sen. McCain has lead the way in character for many, many years.

I want to relay a story to you that was first presented in the New York Times Magazine in 1997.

In 1982 when Sen. McCain was first elected to the House, Arizona Democratic Congressman Morris “Mo” Udall took him in hand and Sen. McCain has said Mo reached out to him in 50 different ways. Four years later when he was elected to the Senate, Sen. McCain said he felt his greatest debt of gratitude was to Congressman Udall, saying “There was no way Mo could have been more wonderful and there was no reason for him to be that way.”

In the late 1990’s, Sen. McCain made the trip every few weeks to a veteran’s home not far from our nation’s capitol to visit Congressman Udall, who by then lay ill and crippled with Parkinson’s Disease, twisted and disfigured. Udall was rarely conscious and even when he was, showed no signs of recognition.

On one particular day, a nurse entered and said “Almost no one visits anymore.” Once one of the most sought-after men in the Democratic Party, Udall lay dying and was visited regularly by only one single old political friend – Sen. John McCain.

Sen. McCain has reflected on how it affected him when Mo Udall took him in hand all those years ago. Sen. McCain said it was one man saying to another that while they may disagree in politics they didn’t disagree in life. That party political differences only cut so deep. It was the reason Sen. McCain continued to visit Mo Udall, long after Udall lost his political influence. You see, the politics were never all that important. It was the friendship. Congressman Mo Udall died in December 1998.

But, Sen. McCain didn’t forget Mo Udall’s kindness and he carried it forward. When Sen. Hillary Clinton arrived on the Senate floor in 2000, she wasn’t warmly welcomed by the good-old boys club. But, there was one man who was there to welcome her – Sen. John McCain. He reached out his hand, welcomed her, and showed her around, much like Mo Udall had done for him so many years ago.

That, my friends is character and if character is the measure of a man then I would say Sen. John McCain far exceeds the measure.

I want a president with character. I don’t want a president who has to hold repeated press conferences to apologize for and explain his lack of judgment in his personal, business, and religious associations; and I don’t want a president who spent 143 days in the Senate before he decided he was experienced enough to lead this country.

I want a president with proven experience. I want a president who learned long ago that there is great value in bipartisanship politics. I want a president who loves his country and will fight for it. I want a president I can trust.

And I want a president who isn’t afraid to be a maverick, to shake things up, and stand their ground. Known as a maverick for years, Sen. McCain cemented his status when he chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. He sent a clear message not only to Washingtonians but to the world. Change is coming to the White House and it isn’t the false and empty change being touted by his Democratic opponent.

That change is coming in the form of Maverick McCain and Sarah Barracuda Palin and we’ve all been put on notice – the face of Washington politics is going to change – for the better. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are proven reformers and they’re going to march that reform right into Washington together, and starting on day one that reform is going to begin to heal this nation’s troubles.

So today, I am here to ask you do to what Sen. McCain asked in his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention – stand up with him and fight.

Stand up and fight to bring real change, proven change to Washington that will change the course of this country for the better.

So, let’s stand up together, work together, and fight together, regardless of political party, and let’s elect Sen. John McCain as the next President of the United States.

actually, i saw a book notes show on a woman who wrote a book on Raoul Dahl and other members of a British intelligence unit operating in the US during world war II. Their jobs was to urge the US into the war to help Britain and to make Britain a priority in the war effort– as opposed to the action in the south pacific.

Raold Dahl’s job was to specifically get into Gallup and move the polls in the direction Britian wanted.

So yeah, I’d say it’s highly likely the Obamacamp is playing at gaming the polls.

Almost all Black folks vote Democrat with or without Obama, why would this year be different?

This is not a demographic McCain could have been counting on to win.

I do not personally care for Ms. McKinney, her behaviour borders on the bizarre. The incident in DC with the ID was not her first run in with “authority”. She was drummed out of Atlanta for making flagrant anti-semitic comments. She won’t be getting my vote any time soon.

Saying ghetto precludes any sort of rational discussion about her. A less inflammatory word for Ms. McKinney is “hothead”. Those exist in all demographics, and she certainly is one in my opinion.

I would be sad if Ms. McKinney pulled votes off of McCain, but my bet is all her votes will come from the Obama side of the field. From democrats who cannot vote for Obama but cannot make themselves check the McCain box. Nader will profit from them as well.

This is off topic but I feel it is worth mentioning. I read the Thomas Sowell commentary with great interest. Sowell is an AA who recognizes the danger of an Obama presidency. When Sowell writes “A leader dos not have to be evil to lead a country into a catastrophe,” he underscores the real reason why the majority of undecided white Dems and Independents will in the end veer toward McCain-Palin. Sowell also writes (paraphrased) he (Barack Obama) “cannot cite a single serious accomplishment besides advancing his own career with rhetoric.”

There are many AAs who don’t support BO but who are afraid to voice their choice. I personally know a black female physician who along with much of her family will be voting McCain-Palin on Nov 4. They don’t dare speak out against BO because they will be ostracized by many in the AA community. Thomas Sowell speaks for these as well.

On topic, HRC does have an impressively detailed economic proposal. Her campaign wasn’t about rhetoric but about real issues. Even she pointed out that all Obama had going for him was a speech delivered before the DNC in 2004. BO is still an empty suit and now a hackneyed speech.

Here we go again with the HRC bashing. I give up as most are apparently fair-weather supporters who want her to fall on her sword so either McCain or Oblahblah can win without having to do any real work themselves.

I am a staunch HRC supporter but will vote for McCain. It has NOTHING to do with HRC–McCain is the best choice of what is left.

I am a staunch HRC supporter but will NEVER vote for Oblockhead. It has NOTHING to do with HRC–Oblockhead is the worst possible choice of what is left.

I am a staunch HRC supporter and I refuse to blame her for knowing the rules and complying with the rules until the rules can be changed

I am sure there are others who feel just the opposite and will vote the opposite way.

Get the drift? This is not about HRC.

If this post is cause for further discussions of realpolitik, so much the better.

I am so angy with the DNC. They will take their vacation without regard to the fact that Americans are suffering. THey revel in the fact that our financial system is on the edge of catastrophy because it works in their “election plans”

We need to throw the bums out and the MEDIA is not SCREAMING about this. We need to get the news out and show our totla contempt for the legislature. Hillary excepted she actually had a solution like McCain. And had the bastards actually been interested in helping America they would have listened to Hillary and John in 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005,2006 and in 2007 to bring the Fannie Mae Freddie Mac crap under control. But no it was more important to name 79 Post Offices.

I read the following quote on another site:
http://paganpower.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/democrats-clueless-on-financial-crisis-go-on-vacation/#comment-2401

One thing is clear. The Democratic party, rather than admit it’s failings of oversight, has instead decided to place this mess squarely at the doorstep of the Administration. After all, it plays better politically. No sense in trying to get to the bottom of this crisis and find solutions when there are political points to be made. You know, politics as usual.

Like all former Democrats I was initially excited when the Democratic party regained control of Congress. But my excitement was soon turned into disgust as I watched the same as usual politics, do nothing, stand up for nothing Democratically led Congress prove that all they were offering was eloquent words. And promises they never intended to keep past the day they were elected.

What we need more than anything in Washington today are real leaders that aren’t afraid to put their political futures on the line working for the American people. We need real Democrats that actually remember what the Democratic party supposedly stands for. And we need a real reformer with a long history of experience in the White House working for the best interests of all the American people.

To me the choice is obvious. We either vote the party of these do nothing Congresspersons that talk a good game but rarely deliver back into office and accept our fate like a bunch of losers. Or we vote for the only candidate in the race that actually has worked against the special interests and who has always placed country above party. I have made that choice.

I fully support John McCain and Sarah Palin for REAL change in America.

NObama! NoReid! NoPelosi! NO DEAL!

Pagan Former life-long Democrat and loving it.

let me get this straight… fuck off troll.

Wow…very touching. They should’ve had this woman give her speech at the RNC. LoL. That would’ve caused some heads in the lib media to explode!!

JM08, I suggest you look up the definition for the word: ghetto..It has NOTHING to do with the color of ones skin..I have seen similar behavior coming from all races and people from both political parties, so zip it!

For what it’s worth…

What you see and hear in the media are manufactured fables.

Clinton may make some appearances for Obama, but the media storylines are written for them, spoonfed to them, by the Obama campaign.

The media has such a hunger for content that it has no time to analyze; it simply regurgitates.

It’s exactly the same m.o. which gave us Bush.

And in a weird way, it is exactly how Congress works when they allow lobbyists to write their legislation.

This deserves to be an actual headliner post somewhere. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Jackie, I agree with you 100%

All three: Palin, McCain and Clinton have reputations for reaching across the aisle.
It is possible that some very good things to come of all this disgusting mess we have been forced to sit through. With Hillary in the Senate and the other two in the white house, maybe we can get America going again.

Please be sure to drop Brazille, Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, etc. in the trash.

You want to attack everyone that is white that you percieve as being “racist”

Yet it is all those white people both democrats and republicans that you call racist, that is keeping McCain tied in the polls, despite the president having a 28% approval rating, the economy in a meltdown, and the mainstream media all in the tank for Obama.

Any generic democrat that was white, would have a 20% lead on McCain right now.

THATS REALITY, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT

So before you start insulting all the white “racist”, you better be thankful they exist, or you would be seeing a Obama presidency

wow. this is brazen. I wonder how many other lawyers he has in other states doing this.

The control obama will exercise over free speech if he is elected will be very frightening!

i respect senator Clinton. However i do not respect her shilling for barrack.
I do not think you should call folks trolls because they do not worship the ground she walks on and excuse her every action.
That sounds awfully kool-aid like.
I love hillary. I would love her and respect alot more if she stood for what is right in this election.
Keep in mind to she promised to fight for this election. Once the primary ended she folded and put her wieght and money with obama.
Obama has not even raised a million for her. That is bs when he agreed to help.
Hillary could steal the hearts of moderates and republicans everywhere if she said no way no how no obama.
Country First.
McCain/Palin 08

And back to the subject at hand. It is always refreshing to be reminded of how wonderful Senator Clinton is on her feet, on the Senate floor, knowing how to get the ideas across. She isn’t just speaking to one party, and she is peaking out for the people, as always. An understanding and a solution for the problem at hand. Watch the O faker, try to claim it.
Again serving country, before party by her actions.

Speaking even, arghh typos.

Perhaps the administrator should be notified. I think JM08 is certifiable at this point.

Wow a SEER in our midst!

Stop the hate!

OMG!!! It’s integrity! It’s Character! It’s Judgment!! Those are the winning factors!

I am white, but I have followed her career for
years with great interest.

I have always admired McKinney’s spirit. And she
tells it like it is and people don’t like it!

“Friends” (DNC) and foes have done nothing but
tried to get rid of her any way possible, just like
HRC and Sarah Palin.

If a guard can’t recognize one black Representative
out of only a handful, he’s NOT doing his job well
and should be fired.

If ANYBODY ever grabbed ME from behind, like he did
her, he’d be a lot worse off than she left him.
And I’m 71-years-old…..

IT WAS ANOTHER SET-UP TO HUMILIATE HER, as were untold things done to her over the years!!

Now, run along, little boy. You are nothing but

A BOTTOM-FEEDING TROLL

Hi. Susan, Larry, I’m really offended by this ‘n-word’ style of communication.

I think this poster (JM08) really means only harm here, so could you please put him/her in moderation or something?

Otherwise I am going to have to leave, because I find this unacceptable.

bookmarked this excellent read. Thank you.

Wake up, America!

I thought she played a real leadership role with this speech, telling McC and BO which way is up, how to think about it, etc.

Hillary is a true leader, whether she is given formal power or not, and I am glad to see that she is still doing everything she can for the US despite what is going on in the DNC.

That reminding factor I wrote about above, is exactly why I am voting for McCain. I don’t care if Senator Clinton does whatever for O, and I don’t think being supportive of her is a simple issue, it is confusing for people to see someone abused, then turn around and support that person. I don’t think people who don’t feel supportive of her are trolls, trolls are easy to tell, they were never supportive to begin with, and it is clear my some predictable syntax usually involving debasing language. I also don’t think because you support Senator Clinton, makes you a Kool-aid type, there is loyalty and a comprehension of what she chooses to do, however the reality is, right now, she is no longer running. When she runs again she will have my support, but between now and then the energy I had for Senator Clinton is now behind the McCain/Palin ticket. I’m not about having to prove to anyone what I felt for Senator Clinton. My vote in November will be my remedy to the situation.

Here is a lesson in Economics. It is a little simple but it does make sense. Pass it around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM3Ls8NNc5Q

JM08, if you want to say nasty things about Hillary, then you should go over to HuffPo. They would be glad to hear your inane rambling. We don’t want to hear it.

the only option is just ignore these “people”. they escalate and distract from our discussion. We only have 45 days. Time to focus.

I’m sure he will. He implied that on The View.

To: JM08; Kal and Obama: An Ego you can Believe in!

You guys really piss me off …

Please… do not be so naive. Stop it with Hillary. Stop eating the propaganda and “unity love story” the DNC the MSM wants you to believe.
It is BULLSHIT.
There is NOONE that deserves more respect here than Hillary Clinton.
She is doing nothing for Obama.
Her travels are thoughtfully planned to have dual purpose: she is trying to raise some money for her debt –since Obama did ZERO the gentleman he is.

Think for yourselves and listen to what she says in interview over interview and speech over speech. Hillary barely mentions “Barack and Joe” ONCE
if any in her speeches. She is traveling this country to help get Dems elected to Congress: something that Obama should be doing and it is NOT b/c HE DOESN’T CARE. She talks about Democratic principles over and over and consistently.

Hillary IS a TRUE Democrat and the only way she can do ANY good at all in the present and the future in her life is from that position. You can only reform if you play the game within the rules.
She is not an “anarchist”.
Anything else from her part would shut the doors for ever for her. SHE LOVES this COUNTRY and that is the only reason she has endure so much LIKE NOONE and fought so hard LIKE NOONE.

So, please, stop your sanctimoniuos and cheap “Hillary this, Hillary that” Do you think she can fight this fight on her own all alone??? You are dreaming or smoking. Stop the blame and bashing game. There is only one culprit here: Obama and the DNC leadership. Assume some responsibility for our Democracy and now YOU WORK to defeat them.

I’ve been coming to this blog since June. The reason I started coming here was that I was on hcsfjm and saw the link. I hated the way Hillary was bashed, how she was ridiculed and treated by the media. I hated the fact that none of the Democrats stood up and told them to stop. I hated the way her own party turned on her to get Obama in. I just wanted to hit somebody. The reason it made me so mad is that as a female growing up in the 40′s, 50′s 60′s, I saw a lot of sexism, it has been directed at me in the past. I thought we were done with that. I have spent a lot of time writing to MSNBC, CNN, NBC and all of their sponsors voicing my objections and I am boycotting these networks and their sponsors. I am a republican, will vote for McCain, but you will never hear me make derogatory statements against Hillary….only Obama and for him, I will never shut up. I appreciate all of you Hillary supporters and hope you will vote McCain. And JM08, you need to shut up with the Hillary bashing. If you want to vote McCain, then do it. But no one needs to try to bring Hillary down just to get a McCain vote….McCain and Hillary have been friends for a long time, so give it a rest.

It’s no surprise the Dem congress would duck out in the middle of a financial meltdown of such magnitude this country may never fully recover. Nancy Pelosi’s congress has an even lower approval rating than George Bush and for good reason. Personally, I wish Pelosi, Reid, Brazile, Dean & all the rest would stay on vacation and I wish Obama would join them. This country and the Dems would be no worse off for it.

I am ashamed of the DNC and their phony balony candidate who, along with the Congressional Black Caucus, was in the bed with Fannie Mae. Only don’t hold your breath expecting the MSM to seize upon that news flash. They’re too busy kissing Obama’s ass to practice real journalism.

you don’t need to convince me of anything…$$$ already donated yesterday

I will have to match that one also, right on the money but when you speak about that you get slammed as they say love is blind and no one wants to admit to Hillary’s weakness.

Beat it JM08: you are the typical TROLL that can be smelled miles away. You stink.
Stop wasting this blog’s space.

The interesting thing on the Sunday Talk shows is that they kept saying that Obama’s economic team was LADEN WITH CLINTON PEOPLE (leaving it open as to Bill Clinton who retired the deficit and left a surplus or Hillary who had a complete economic plan). Funny, NOW the Clintonistas are a STAR PIN TO WEAR ON THE OBAMA CAMP lapel!

It almost sounds a bit like saying he’s related to them…gee how times change!

Sorry I am still I am going on about this, but also think there is a divisive tactic to try and split Puma, and Clinton supporters, it’s been ongoing for quite sometime. I don’t see where anyone has to prove a loyalty to each other, where those of us who have left the Dem party; we left for our reasons, and many were Clinton supporters, and many became Puma. I think the distraction of trying to say what an active politician in the party we left should do or not do, won’t be anything that can serve where the election is at right now. It is understandable to feel whatever it is you feel, after watching Senator Clinton being treated so badly, some people distance themselves from it, and some seek to protect; seems we are all trying to find our way clear of the horror the DNC handed out.
Don’t make Senator Clinton an issue, because she isn’t. She is an active politician making her choices, as we must make ours, but not against each other. They don’t get to divide us again.

I know, however, it’s now coming from both sides. But you are indeed correct–the focus should be on ensuring that Oblockhead never sets foot in the Oval Office.

Again with the ALL CAPS?

JM08, dude, have you considered switching to decaf?

Excellent video. Hillary Clinton is the only person who stood up on the Senate floor and gave the most detailed and comprehensive plan to deal with the financial crisis. Everything she said was right on the money.
SusanUnPC: criminal is the rioght word to describe the fact that she is not the Dem. nominee.
We have an pinhead instead that is still studying “the facts” : i.e he has NO clue what’s going on.

If you could use a laugh right about now, here is something funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXvQB26HRkY

Hillary continues to set the bar. Watch how she becomes the Senate leader.

Here’s a McCain ad worth reposting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pPNJdOdklk

JM08: Stop littering troll.

Actually, I think this JM08 is an Obama troll sent to make repubs look bad. Pretending to be a repub and spouting all manner of ignorant garbage.
We heard they were going to use this strategy.
I’m afraid we’ve got one here.

JM08 is not a troll. He likes mccain. He is a republican and has said so.
You guys always bash him. Simply, because he does not agree with you on everything. It is over the top to rag on the guy for being himself, a red-meat republican. You may not agree on some things but you all do agree with JM08 that obama must lose.

She is NOT shilling for Obama; she barely mentions
“Barack and Joe” AT MOST ONCE in her speeches. She is helping Dems get elected to Congress: that is what she is focusing on and in raising money to pay her debt
at teh same time. Do not eat that baloney the MSM and the DNC is trying to sell you about “unity” and campaigning for him. SHE IS NOT. LISTEN FOR YOURSELF TO HER INTERVIEWS AND SPEECHES. She only talks about Democratic principles because she believes in them; she is a TRUE Democrat.

Paul3triple -

I have rarely agreed with you in the past, but I think your last post was 100% correct.

Paul, you have consistently stood up for this troll.
You are the only one who just can’t seem to get it through your head that this clown is a troll.
You are new to this site as well.
I do believe you are also a troll.
Your terribly heartfelt criticism of Hillary reek
to the heavens. Go away.

no we do agree. I think mac has to hit obama hard. And he will. Look at your ever knowing polls today and obama is falling and mac is on a come back.
This week they will get him off balance before the debate.
We agree they have to go at him. I just think it has be done strategically for maximum impact.

You know I supported Hillary during the primaries, this is not bashing Hillary as some of you take it, but if you all will be honest and stop making excuses when you see all that is going on for her, then some will not have to question her motives now.

I went of a site last night where Hillary made her speech in support of Obama where she was talking of her plans with her new buttons asking people to donate for Obama’s cause. I mean come on now what is that? That is not for her race its for Obama and making him POTUS I don’t know how much clearer that can be, so there will be no 2012 for Hillary if she helps him win.

Obama does not have Hillary in politics the people do, Obama is not a threat to her senate seat if she does not support him, the people will decide Hillary’s political future, and since so many of you seem to understand what she is doing if she did not support him you all would understand in the same manner and admire and support her for that.

Sad to say Hillary is doing the opposite and like myself many will be turned off of her for this, I keep saying Obama will be the death of Hillary’s political career, just as I am a person who cannot understand her stance, her sudden change of heart to Obama there are many who feel the same way, and will have a difficult time supporting her 100% as we did before, some of you make not like to hear that but that is a fact.

I agree with you Kat. We have an alliance here of repubs and dems. What we have in common is that we don’t want Obama. Anyone can post their opinion, but it is these transparent mind games of Obama trolls seeking to divide that is really tiresome.

troll

There’s a lot of discussion about Hillary, what her snub by the “party” really means as well as what it means now that she is apparently on board with camp Obama and his version of the new “democratic party”. It looks like both parties have redefined themselves in this election cycle. The republican party is now more akin to the democratic party of the Clinton’s era. Whereas the democratic party “is” camp Obama. I no longer think the party was merely “hijacked”… rather the extremist agenda driven elements of that old party now feel comfortable to reveal their true agenda to the world at large. The mantra we hear from them now… even from Biden is “get with the program”. Yes, “the program” is socialism and camp Obama has pulled off a “coup” of the “democratic party”. If you were a Reagan democrat, or a Hillary democrat… then it is now becoming so clear to me… “get with the program” or get out. That is the message from camp Obama. All other discussions about loyalties or motives at this point are beginning to pale against the underlying truth that this “coup” of the democratic party by camp Obaba… could well turn into a coup of this very nation by a socialist agenda. Certainly freedom itself and the hope of it that resonates around this world is at jeopardy.

Paul, not bashing anyone, I just have to wonder knowing this site has a lot a Hillary supporters, what good does it serve to apply that dislike over and over?
JM08 is who ever that person is, but don’t you think everyone has had enough of hearing constant anti Clinton or Anti-Palin rheotoric? It doesn’t serve any purpose. And, yes I agree we are on the same page being against Obama, but that doesn’t mean people will be silent about Senator Clinton as if some unspoken agreement. I could understand if this was not a site of mixed voters from all sides and in the middle. If this were a strict red-meat republican site, but it isn’t. So it isn’t as simple as you say. Yes, he does have a right to speak out, as well as others have a right to speak back. Nothing anyone says here will make me vote for Obama, but hey, there isn’t any point in poking folks in the eye, who are on your side.

beg to differ.

There is a difference between stating an opinion and backing it up, and using vulger analogies, language and threats.

Also, there is such an issue of thread hijacking and baiting people. That is classic troll behavior and JM08 is predictable as one.

Get back on topic, please. If you want to bash HRC go somewhere else. Those who are awake here know that she is doing what she has to do. The dems made their own bed, now they have to lay in it and own it. Once you stop bashing HRC you can focus on the issue right now, and engage in a dialogue here not hijack the thread.

You guys yourself say Hillary is only campaigning for Obama to keep her hopes alive for 2012.

So why do you call it “bashing” , when I say she put her own political interests ahead of her country.

Is it because you are elitist left wing liberals, and when you say it is acceptable, but I am only a white trash republican from the midwest, so when I say it you call it “bashing”, and you even go further and call me a “obama troll”

Well I got news for you … McCain is OUR candidate. The messiah is YOUR candidate, he was nominated by that sexist, racist, corrupt, trainwreck of a party you call the democrats.

So dont get mad at me if I say Hillary put her own political interests above thos of her own country, because thats exactly what she did, and you all say it yourself, when you make excuses for he by saying” she is only trying to remain viable for 2012″

If she is campaigning for someone who she truly believes is not qualified to be president just because she wants to be able to run in 2012, does that not = putting your own politcal interests above those of the country ?

You left wing elite liberals need to stop attacking and insulting everyone that does not worship Hillary Clinton and support McCain at the same time, you guys are starting to sound ALOT like daily kos. Different agenda, but the same tactics.

yawn. scratch. sniff. ignore.

hahaha.

Her proposals eco McCain’s 100 percent and are diametrically different from Obama’s.

well, if he is a red-meat repub, why doesn’t he go to the repub blogs? I disagree on your analysis. He constantly dis-respects Hillary Clinton, and he expects us to believe that he is a red-meat repub. that is foolishness. I personally know 15 solid repubs who have voted for Hillary Clinton. Yet, in JM08′s view, the repubs don’t have respect for Hillary Clinton. this is nothing but nonsense. If JM08 is a true repub, and if he/she/it comes here, he would give utmost respect to Hillary Clinton. the very fact that he hasn’t proves that he is a troll. Read the previous threads. another Clinton supporter slammed JM08, and he/she/it didn’t have an answer.

Jm, just don’t label, the liberal name calling, come on. That’s the stuff that sets people off. You know better. We get you don’t like what she is doing, and some folks will agree with you and others won’t. I won’t and haven’t called you a single name; as far as I can tell we are voting for the same person. I’m not going to try to convince you either of anything that has to do with Senator Clinton; I’m trying to tell you lay off the supporters who have crossed over. It doesn’t serve any purpose to examine and insult anyone’s reason to support someone.

Why are Obama’s proposal so different from Hillary’s proposal here and why are McCain’s proposal so similar to Hillary’s proposals here?

McKatmoon-

You need to back up and get your facts staight.

I have NEVER bashed Sarah Palin.

You need to provide a link if you are going to start trying outright lie like that.

a classic case of troll mania.

mac has to hit obama hard

Agreed, but the bashing HRC at every potential opportunity as posted ad nauseum by JM08 will not do it for McCain. This HRC supporter is prepared to vote for McCain but it would behoove your friend JM08 to stop rocking the boat lest he convince me and other like me that Republican McCain supporters are as bad as obamabots. If this is his MO, maybe he is not a real McCain supporter after all. Just a thought to ponder.

****troll alert*****

We have a mutual, CRITICAL goal at hand. DEFEAT NOBAMA. All this superfluous noise is not only irrelevant, but also detracting from our MUTUAL GOAL.

Get on a phone bank, go register some voters, contact your election office to oversee the vote and WORK to defeat NOBAMA.

When we have achieved that goal, it is politics, AMERICAN style. And we will all be forever grateful to each one who preserved our MORE PERFECT UNION
AMERICA!!
COUNTRY FIRST!!

GET TO WORK

These are Hillary’s words and so far she has raised $5mill for Obama according to reports so if someone could explain this to me I am willing to change my stance and say Hillary is not for Obama!!!

Hillary Rodham Clinton stepped up her efforts Friday to swing her supporters behind Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, her former rival for the nomination.

In an outreach dubbed “Hillary Sent Me,” the New York senator invited her primary-season partisans to get involved directly in Obama’s campaign and to donate to it. As part of that, she urged them to travel to a specific battleground state each weekend, beginning with New Hampshire on Sept. 27, when she will be campaigning for Obama in Michigan.

“Today I am asking all of you to stand up with me, to hit the road and spread the word that we must elect Barack Obama president and send a Democratic, filibuster-proof majority to Congress,” Clinton told supporters in a conference call Friday. “This is a call to action, a must-do. We all have a role. And there is not a moment to lose.”

JM

Look, from my quote which is not in reference to you at all.

but don’t you think everyone has had enough of hearing constant anti Clinton or Anti-Palin rheotoric?

I do not see your name in there or inferred.

You start asking for a link, from something that clearly came only from me; and you say I have lied. You aren’t making sense. Do you want to go back to the topic this thread is about?

i don’t care for mckinny based on her behavior period. her race doesn’t matter to me. the fact that obama and his ilk all about race turns me off as well.

I want to point out, here we are Americans. We need not confuse the matter of our support of nation or our distain for the mistreatment of Senator Clinton and for that matter Governor Palin.

Here we voice our hopes for a better nation and a hopful future. One where our daughters and sons have a better life.

Here we hold those in poer accountable for their lack of action or bad actions.

But here we are not DNC or RNC. We are USA and McCain and Clinton really do get it. I believe if we support them we will not be disappointed by what we have wrought.

as a hillary supporter i say this with all respect, Let’s GET OFF THE HILLARY BANDWAGON FOR NOW AND GET MCCAIN ELECTED. CRYING ABOUT HILLARY RIGHT NOW DOESN’T SERVE OUR INTERESTS. SURE SHE IS THE REAL THING WITH REAL ANSWERS. BUT THE DNC KNOWN AS THE DENY, NEGLECT, AND CULPRITS, FIXED THAT FOR THIS TIME ROUND.

This troll is trying to divide and conquer.

JM08,YOU ARE BORING, ILLOGICAL, AND NOSENSICAL. i am sure you are quite impressed with your presentations on here but then you are a minority of one.

His proposals are actually hers, appropriated over the course of this campaign. The point–and the only point–is that he is unfit and unqualified to be POTUS.

I agree. I get my “isms” confused, but more and more he strikes me as our home grown Hitler with Denver as Nuremburg and his young, rabid followers as brown shirts. If he gets elected and he gets his national police force, we are in for a difficult time. I don’t know if he’s Saudi candidate or the Marxist candidate to destroy the US. I can’t believe Tom Daschle is behind Obama. I thought more highly of him.

Hillary is for Obama’s growth of government. Potentially over 4.5 trillion in 2012. I think you’ll like that. Won’t you?

wow……
at the risk of being the recipient of a bunch of anger from this list…..but I’ve been getting into a lot of political trouble lately, so what’s a little more
um, I don’t get it.
I have been a Dem all my life, never voted Republican,was a Hillary supporter….and was even a delegate for Hillary
who would / will NEVER vote for Obama and will now vote McCain/Palin and
well, I agree with most of what JM08 is saying
I am not happy with Hillary lately, I’m sure she’s got her “politically expedient ” reasons for standing on a stage and supporting the totally inept fraud that she ran against and who was allowed to steal the nomination from her…but the entire charade makes me ill.
AND, while it is definitely politically incorrect to describe Cynthia McKinney as “ghetto” it’s…..not incorrect. AA friends of mine use that term all the time. I am a Jew and had relatives killed in pogroms in the Warsaw Ghetto which was, duh!, not black and the word is Italian of course and there is a Jewish Ghetto in Rome and other Italian cities, but that, of course, is not the point.

I guess the point is that the labels “democrat” and “Republican” are now totally meaningless.

Is there any info as yet about Sarah Palin at The Villages??

AMEN!!!

We need to stop Obama from getting elected and we all seem to be in agreement on that! NO OBAMA is the important thing.

If Hillary runs in 2012, she has my vote; others may not feel that way, but that is their decision and I’m fine with that because I refuse to dictate how someone should vote. This is a free country.

And I agree to your statement: “seems we are all trying to find our way clear of the horror the DNC handed out“. I know I’m still trying to make sense of this whole Horror Show that’s been forced on us.

I hate to see Hillary being made an issue since this is about the DNC and Obama. It’s about making sure he doesn’t become President and totally destroying our country. Obama keeps making things about other people – not himself, when HE is the issue. HE drags Hillary and Bill into the spotlight because HE can’t bring in the voters himself; HE focuses on Sarah Palin the VP Republican pick because HE knows she’s more qualified then him; HE’S THE ONE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT! That’s who we should be focusing on.

Politics has always been played over and over the same way; and certain politicians are still playing it that way despite what’s happened this year. That’s their choice for whatever their reasons and maybe in the end it’ll help stabilize the nightmare we’re in after Obama is kicked to the curb. Others are crossing the lines to side with John McCain – and maybe they’re doing it with Hillary’s blessing, I personally have no way of knowing, but to me it’s a good sign we’re not alone. But no matter what, THIS IS ABOUT OBAMA and making sure he doesn’t get into the WH!

So McKatmoon, I give you a round of applause!

MCCAIN/PALIN 08
HILLARY 2012

you started your quote in the middle of the sentence.

“but” was not the beginning of the sentence.

the sentence was actually …

JM08 or whoever that person is, but dont you think ….

So yeah I took it personal

never bashed palin? dang, just how do you define bashing? huh? come prove up JM08! we are waiting……sound of crickets!

SJ, you mean like her words, “Obama doesnt have the experience, but McCain does.” ?

UH HUH! What is to keep Obama from diverting SS tax to paying for his planned “Reparation Act”? Leastwise J.McCain has stated on National TV that he will not touch SS, but would consider a plan whereas the younger workers could put their SS into private investments. Whereas Obama already wants like $80,000,000,000 for developing nations with 75% going to Africa and/or his surrogates are wanting $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 for damage and punitive compensation.

(not her exact words..)

No, it’s his way of getting in a dig and using support for McCain as an excuse. “But I thought you wanted him to win.”

I actually agree, and just don’t want to be labeled. I don’t consider myself any party, I do support McCain/Palin, and I understand the disappointment and sense of betrayal and also understand the need to defend. No matter who she supports, it was a good plan and a good presentation on the senate floor. I imagine McCain could easily reach across and work with anyone who has such a plan that would help our country. I expect O to steal it and claim it as his own.

Caringnurse, yes words like that, she did say that but if she is now supporting Obama what does that mean to me that Mc Cain is not longer viable because Obama instantly is?

She said Mc Cain has experience but all Obama had was a speech he gave on national security am I now to believe that Obama got a crash course some where on national issues and is more able than McCain to deal with those matters?

I took Hillary at her word all I am asking now is what has changed if she can explain that maybe a lot of voter like myself will understand her sudden change of heart towards Obama and pushing for him to be President of this nation

Her proposals in this video, are exactly the proposals put forth by McCain and the Republicans. Very different from the Democratic and very different from Obama’s. Her preamble is a generic Democratic preamble that blames the Administration and ignore the facts. Yet, her solutions are consistent with the Adminsitration’s.

Obama’s appropriated Hillary’s entire platform but not these proposals because the primary was not about these issues.

Obama’s proposals undermine the Administration’s efforts to stabilize the banking industry. He is for total chaos. So that he can get elected. Look for chaos on Monday morning. If you don’t see it is not for lack of Obama’s effort.

Obama is against free enterprise. That makes him a Communist in my book. He would be a great leader in Russia but not in America.

Then, I am sorry, that was not my intention. Really.

The PUMA supporter ( speech posted above) gave a very effective speech. Hope all PUMA’s read it.

stodghie-

What exactly do you want me to prove ?

That I never bashed Palin ?

Well considering I have been the biggest enemy of Obama on this board it makes no sense to say I have bashed Palin.

And even the person that said I bashed Palin,, now says that is not what they were saying.

It is impossible for me to prove I did not bash Palin, unless I provide a link to every single post every written on NO QUARTER, and somebody actually took the time to read every post to see if they could find any bashing of Palin from me.

So yes it would be easier for someone to simply just supply a link to a post where I have bashed Palin, but of course you cant, because I NEVER did.

I want to see Obama DESTOYED. I have advocated and pleaded for McCain to go nuclear on Obama.

Yeah stodghie it is people like you that are turning this website into another version of the daily kos. You have to try to spread lies about posters in order to try to discredit them, so you can push your own agenda, whatever that may be. I have not figured it out yet.

i am not new here. I have been coming here daily for 4 months.
I post much more now.
Do you call poeple trolls in the real world anytime they disagree?
I would say now JM08 is getting out of line with insults. But calling someone a troll is an insult as well.
You do not like his opinion so he is a troll to you.

No, i do not get that he is a troll. He is fine by me. Not everyone loves Hillary. They just do not. Just like everyone does not like bush or reagan or something.
Not everyone agrees. It doesn’t mean you insult them as if to be superior in your opinion.
America is great because everyone can have their own opinion,view, and beliefs.

Focus, we are here as Americans to share ideas. We should not hide from ideas we don’t like.

If you are here to pick a fight–go away you are a waste of electrons.

If you are here to learn and grow huzzah!

Huzzah! Well spoken!

America the Beautiful FIRST!

You are correct–I should have said platform in lieu of proposals.

In fact I advocated many times (to the anger of most posters on this board i might add) that if McCain does not start to fight back, that they drop McCain from the ticket, and promote Palin to the top of the ticket and make Jindal the VP.

So yeah I think trying to paint me as a Palin- basher is pretty ridculous and only shows that you are willing to outright lie about me, in order to further promote your own personal agenda.

JM08 just give it up. Insulting them is a waste of time.
It is fine if you do not like hillary but now your nailing them because they do not agree with you.
Why not agree to disagree? And get to the real matter at hand. Destroying Barry Dunham Soetoro Obama.
This is a site of hillary supporters. I know their coming at you to but. Lets focus and stay unified in our attempt to elect McCain/Palin.

Obama was for the bailout before he was against it:

LOL!

Update:

September 21, 2008

A spokesman for John McCain issued a statement after Obama’s rally criticizing him for not putting forward a plan of his own.

“Two days after he confessed to not having a plan for the banking crisis, Barack Obama called for ‘decisive action’ while offering absolutely no new ideas, policies or concrete solutions — it shows he is just not ready to lead,” spokesman Tucker Bounds said. “John McCain rejected complacency and political calculation in favor of a direct call for updated, effective regulations that will protect Americans’ homes, savings and jobs — we cannot afford a directionless driver like Barack Obama.”

Obama had planned to outline a proposal Friday, but pulled back when Paulson offered a package, saying he didn’t want to muddy the debate.

Obama: no record, no plan, no idea what to do.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13704.html

He wants to be more like Chavez. He leans in that direction.

poor JM08, getting so defensive. whiny is the better term. lol. can’t accept facts, and has to go on his/her/its delusions about REALITY and FACTS. sad, but true.

JM,
Here is a repeat of what I wrote and you are taking it out of context, and I have apologized, for not being clearer. Enough said.

Paul, not bashing anyone, I just have to wonder knowing this site has a lot a Hillary supporters, what good does it serve to apply that dislike over and over?
JM08 is who ever that person is, but don’t you think everyone has had enough of hearing constant anti Clinton or Anti-Palin rheotoric? It doesn’t serve any purpose. And, yes I agree we are on the same page being against Obama, but that doesn’t mean people will be silent about Senator Clinton as if some unspoken agreement. I could understand if this was not a site of mixed voters from all sides and in the middle. If this were a strict red-meat republican site, but it isn’t. So it isn’t as simple as you say. Yes, he does have a right to speak out, as well as others have a right to speak back. Nothing anyone says here will make me vote for Obama, but hey, there isn’t any point in poking folks in the eye, who are on your side.

Paul3triple-

I agree with you again. Twice in one day must be some kind of record. I have stated myself before that I dont understand why my opinion of Hillary has any relevance to this election, considering she is not on the ticket.

In fact I even offered in a post yesterday to come back on this site on Nov 5 and then we can debate Hillary all day long.

But it never fails. Somebody on here will call me a “obama troll” because I am not drinking the Hillary kool-aid.

I really could care less about Hillary right now, my focus is on making sure that Mr. Obama gets nowhere near the whitehouse.

JM08 should be banned for hijacking NQ threads, and chasing away readers who wish to make genuine comments.

Dr. Kate is right.

Hey Ferd I am with you 100%. People need to get off of Hillary’s back and focus on defeating Ohitler.

ON THE MCCAIN WEBSITE

I’ve taken the advice of one of the NQ authors and am skipping over the troll vomit. Don’t read it and certainly don’t reply. Try it, it works!

you’re right, jenni.

Have some cheetos

Did you start your book on “troll pathology” yet? You can give attribution to the idea to Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease” Opampers. That would look funny as hell in a book!

I watched the video, will read the post from NancyA later.

Q. Why is it that Senator Clinton has a detailed plan for dealing, but Senator Obama, the DNC nominee, does not? Someone said the Obama campaign is now touting that they have former Clinton people for economic advisors. How come they haven’t put something together for him yet?

Doesn’t it get back to the contrasting leadership styles, or experience of the two senators?

Of course, Hillary had the plan for whatever issue through the primaries, and if you’d wait long enough, could see where Obama would steal bits and pieces from her (because her proposals were well-thought out, made more sense than Obama’s vague rhetoric).

How do you all think HRC appeared on the video? The Senate floor, gallery and C-Span camera is a far different venue from the campaign trail, but I see her as strong, but definitely concerned for her constituents, if not angered out how this happened, and they ignored her proposals.

I liked her fable about the people trying to rescue babies in the water, by the way. Never heard that one before.

Yes, please ban JM08 for disruption, hijacking, and unacceptable language. Looks like Paul3 and JM08 are just using up space. On purpose.

the only option is just ignore these “people”. they escalate and distract from our discussion. We only have 45 days. Time to focus.

That troll is on my do not read do not reply list.

JM08 you are a republican right? and i think republicans believe, never say anything bad about another republican, democrats are not like that.

As for Hillary clinton putting herself before her country, just remember you are on a board were people love hillary, and they are sick of seeing people trash her. I wanted Hillary Clinton because i knew she could fix this mess, yes she is a politician, but she’s one of the few that had the guts and the will to get things done. Truthfully we all think about our selves first. Personally if this wasn’t such a crucial time in our country i wouldn’t care who was president. but since i believe in self preservation, I actually care. We all do it. Ms clinton is no different from anyone else. Also, should obama get into office, with her in the senate, she could possibly alleviate some of the damage, and if john mccain wins, since he and hillary already work well together we win. No one but hillary clinton knows why she does what she does, but I do not blame her for not wanting to embark on a suicide mission to help take out obama that might not even work. Besides she can hurt him more if he starts to trust her or think she has fallen in line.

Benny -

It is a FACT Hillary is campaigning for Obama.

So it is a FACT either she thinks Obama is the best man for the job, or she thinks it is in her best political interest to support him.

So either she has drank the kool aid and a light shined down upon her …

or

She is putting her own political interests above thos of the country.

Now benny you seem to disagree with me…So here is your chance benny boy to man up and step to the plate ….

If Hillary is not putting her own political interests above thos of the country, and she does not believe Obama is the best man for the job, then what is your explanation ?

I AM WAITING

Let me guess benny, you cant say why I am wrong, you can only say I am wrong …

And for the record benny I find it real interesting that you call the biggest McCain supporter on this board a “obama troll” . Wow it must be getting tough for you to earn that $7 a hour the messiah is paying you huh ?

BENNY YOUR PRICELESS

GOTTA LOVE THOSE OBAMA FLUNKIES

I would say now JM08 is getting out of line with insults. But calling someone a troll is an insult as well.

Sexism and racism are more than just “getting out of line” and all manner of attempts at diminishing it will only damage your reputation. JM08 is, in fact, a troll.

Her plan will be his plan this week…no doubt in my mind about that.

Your picture is reassuring.

I live in a strongly Hispanic area of Colorado, a swing state that is getting alot of attention from both candidates. It is interesting that houses posting lawn signs for ONLY the Democratic state political offices outnumber by about 20 to 1 those posting lawn signs for Democratic state offices AND Obama. Therefore, I have a hard time believing polls that show McCain ahead in Colorado by less than 5-7%.

Attention McCain campaign: If you send John McCain or Sarah Palin down to the southern part of the State before November, you will reap rewards.

Thank you for a very nice post. As an HRC supporter, I appreciate it.

I don’t think JM08 is republican. He’s a shit stirrer who wants us to doubt our McCain/Palin choice. As if.

kgirl-

If Hillary came out and said she has changed her mind and is endorsing McCain the election would be over.

Obama would lose in a landslide

Ofcourse, I’m priceless. You gotta man up, JM08. oh, maybe you’re not a man. but you honestly dont have the grammar. “above thos of the country”.
You’re a sad case, JM08. and its additionally sad when you can’t realise that you’re a troll. lol. bye for now.

It is clear to me Hillary is being used and has elected to put up with said abuse for her career and country. I find what she is doing to be distasteful but I also honor her commitment to public service. I feel she is personally powerless to stop Ohitler on the course she has charted but we have seen some of her most ardent supporters endorsing McCain with what I feel is a nod and a wink from Bill and Hillary.

OK EVERYONE!! Pleaseeeee. Lets just totally ignore this troll who is here just to stir things up… He is NOT a republican, for that I am sure…He is here to divide and conquer..Please, dont feed him..

Vinnie – I’m afraid you’re probably right. She does all the work, and the heavy lifting, and he gets the credit from his campaign and the MSM for being “brilliant”.

I do know one thing: Hillary damned-well sure doesn’t need to bring a teleprompter to speak at a rodeo. May have to write a tune for Obama, “Teleprompter Cowboy”.

Skip over their vomit. There is a little box with a plus in the upper left of each comment. Click it and their puke disappears.

Hillary has to stay in the boundaries of the democratic party and rescue it from within. Once Obama loses, Hillary will consolidate her position within the party and rise in 4 years to challenge for the presidency.

yes, caringnurse1, you are right. I’m sorry.

I’ve been telling my friends and family
for a couple of months now, if elected,
McCain should make Hillary Secretary of State.
She’d be a great one and Bill would be
an incredible asset to her and America
if she’s picked for this position.

That is exactly what I have been arguing over the course of the past three days–yours is more succinct and I agree 100%.

McCain/Palin 08
Clinton 2012
That’s where I have been since the end of the primaries, (McCain and of course Palin when she was chosen). I can appreciate the fear from the o campaign, you know when you can’t even get the polls rigged right, there is a very serious problem in public perception.
We have had to watch someone get on the job training, then turn around and claim that very training in campaigning is what will qualify them to be CIF. The scary part is, this is just fine with his supporters. I have heard their mantra, and watched their finger pointing, and have gone deaf with the smearing. With each, and every sick political move from that rats nest, has only increased my determination to see McCain win in a landslide.
Out of the fear, of all this treading water from the o supporters, still doesn’t get them to shore. Yet, does Obama ever come up with a plan, initially, before anyone else. No. Does he ever have anything original in his plans, no. Does he ever seek to solve a problem for Americans as a whole ( this is the worse one) No. I don’t want anyone who only tries to organize in favor of a specific group. He will never be able to see beyond that need to serve the groups of his choosing, he doesn’t seem to see us as a nation of Americans, he sees us in voter groups, and disregards us accordingly to where we fit into some other group that is important to him.
McCain, on the other hand, gets it, completely. Country first encompasses all Americans, from all groups, providing for us a whole. It will be hard term, but McCain has the experience, the intellect and the heart for it.

All I know is that whenever the BO gang feels challenged by anything, they try to intimidate/manipulate the situation instead of appealing to reason and facts. So I do think that for myself, feeling very much on the outside of everything that is going on, the best thing for me to do is to concentrate on supporting downticket Clinton dems + McC, and then hope for 2012. I agree that Hillary can do a lot for the country from the senate, and with what appears to be a mutually respectful and warm relationship between Hillary and McC/Palin, we will all be a lot better off than with the BO gang.

I’d like her for Attorney General–a good house-cleaning is in order over there.

Benny, I didn’t mean anyone in particular..It’s just that all long as he thinks he has an audience, he will stay..

So Hillary expects her supporters to put their necks out and cross party lines, but she is not willing to do it herself, like Joe Lieberman did ???

YEAH THAT SURE SOUNDS LIKE GUTS TO ME !!!!!

Sometimes I feel that I cannot do enough.. I am so fearful for Our Country..

I have to go…BBL

I really don’t want to get in the middle, but I will. JM08….you Sir or Madam, are not the BIGGEST McCain supporter on this blog. IF you were, you would be thanking these Hillary supporters who will also help McCain win, thereby bringing Obama to a screeching halt. You are someone posing as a republican, bashing Hillary in the hope that you will get one or more to jump to your real camp, and that is Obama. Now prove me wrong and bash Obama and leave Hillary alone. And yes, JM08, I am a republican and I don’t recognize your need to bash Hillary.

I liken the rise of Obama to the rise of Hitler. Honestly, his supporters remind me of brown-shirts. Absolutely no tolerance of dissent. Hitler was liked and accepted. so is Obama. He has charisma, but no core-beliefs. Thats scary. We can never know what hes made off. Imagine Obama in the cuban missile crisis. Obama is scary. Not to be trusted with the presidency. He will wilt in front of strong leaders like Putin. And his tacit support of the Islamics would be catastrophic. Nope, nobama.

But haven’t you heard. Hillary is the BOBOweenies new best friend. It’s no longer sheik to trash her. You’ll have to put back on your magic decoder ring and link back to BOBOland for the latest update

Well said, Postmaster, as always.

JM08 is an obama troll. If it is a true-repub, it wouldn’t bash hillary clinton. By doing so, it revealed its true colors.

JM08….the consequences are different for a private citizen crossing party lines and a politican doing it. But then, you knew that, didn’t you?

Yeah, it is getting quite troublesome to have to keep skipping over the troll’s love songs to each other. I guess that’s the real object- to wear us out & hijack the thread. I wish they’d jump right up a goat’s a**.

thank you Ferd

Whenever i hear this great woman speak I get angrier, why isn’t she the ONE on the ballot. I as an American would feel so much better knowing that she would be running this country, instead I am scared to death, and I don’t say that lightly. I have been getting emails from “concerned friends” who are afraid of McCain and Palin and when I asked them why aren’t they afraid of an Obama presidency, their answers are typically “he bring change”, I ask what change, and I usually say change can be a bad thing too you know. But where were these so called feminist when HRC was being attacted. I can not vote. I just can’t for either one, Hillary was my only choice.

Obama In The Mud: So Much For Honesty”
Editorial
New Hampshire Union Leader
September 21, 2008

“In the past few weeks, Obama has thrown so many false accusations against John McCain that just keeping track of them has become difficult. And these aren’t innocent errors. They are deliberate distortions of the sort Obama has always said he reviles.”

Read Editorial Here:

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Obama+in+the+mud%3a+So+much+for+honesty&articleId=25fbff30-e785-4106-af08-92f0bbe63968

I have never heard such a non sequitur in response to a blog post/video in my life. Re-read this and consider:

As usual Senator Clinton understands the dangers of this “once in a century” crisis.

Indeed! And I’m glad that you see this. But don’t you think that Senator Clinton knows that Senator McCain stands diametrically opposed to her proposed policies in this matter, and that Senator Obama understands much better than McCain the problem that led us to this point? The problem was Republicans (and even some Democrats) like John McCain, who religiously called for lesser and lesser regulation in the marketplace: a free hand for self-dealers on Wall Street that ‘let the market sort it out.’ The kind of steps that Hillary endorses are too ‘big government’ for McCain…he may even not like the idea of the rich screwing the rest of the country like they have, but he doesn’t see what’s necessary to prevent it from happening.

Getting out the vote for McCain in response to this is like giving a big middle finger to Hillary Clinton…no, it’s more like praising her and then setting out to make sure she fails.

I don’t know if this is standard PUMA sentiment or if this is a Republican who just comes here because they feel at home in a place dedicated to attacking Obama, but it’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all week.

I agree with the major premise of this piece that it is CRIMINAL that Hillary is not the Democratic nominee for president. At a time when we need strong leadership, we get “pie in the sky, 433/436 in his law school class, never wrote an article for the law review, Damn America, Obama and his lovely America hating wife Michelle. It is criminal all right and that is why McCain MUST win.

I know but she also wouldn’t have a career. You’ve seen the article ‘race is a factor in why people won’t vote for obama” and with what they have said about her and bill doing the primaries, they would tar and feather her. i don’t like the fact that she is endorsing obama either. the only reason obama got the brief bump after the Dem convention because Bill and Hillary Clinton rocked.

All i know is that i don’t want obama in the white house. and i’m ready to vote republican to keep that from happening. If only michelle knew that yes i’m voting for John McCain because I like him, a whole lot more than she or her husband. I don’t like fascist, and while i may not agree with McCain I know that he will a. most likely tell the truth and b. he listens to his constituents. Like i’ve said many times before. he defending the dixie chicks in a congressional hearing and pretty much said that although he does not agree with what they say that they could not order people not to play their songs because it was unconstitutional. Mccain also was against MLK day, but again voted for it when he saw that it would bring about problems for his state, and then told his fellow congressmen that they were stupid not to support it. only thing obama has supported is making sure aborted baby’s be neglected and dies even when it is no longer part of the mother and breathing or is trying to breath on it’s own. I can’t vote for someone like that. nor can I vote for someone who is always lying, or who surrounds themselves with terrorist and doesn’t have a problem with it. Obama is a big time national security risk. he’s indecisive, refuses to take advice or admit at least to himself that he was wrong,he wants to sell off our countries debt to other countries, and he has two sociopaths Odinga, and dick Cheney in his family tree.

As a Hillary supporter Instead of listening to what she says now I think about what she said before.John Mccain and I have experience—Obama has a speech.Shame on you Obama putting out lies.Yes Obama you have been busy doing business with the slumlord Rezko.Denying that she called Obama a racist or that she wanted him murdered.I cannot forget those things.Just because Obama has had to get the Clintons to make him the president gives me no faith in him at all.I like John Mccain and Govornor Palin and I am glad that I will have the opportunity to vote for them.I watched the view and how rudely they were treated by the ego driven women.Disgusting,not even cooly polite.Cindy did a good job telling them what she thought of their big noses dissing her fathers wealth.The black lady(notwhoopee)has bragged she has had so many abortions she can’t remember how many.Classy.

McCain is not Bush III, Obama is Bush III in practically every word and deed. I am an AA Hillary Clinton supporter, one of the 8% who voted against Obama. AAs are about 12% of the population. A conservative estimate of voting age population is one half of that number leaving about 6%. A high estimate says that of the 6% maybe one half to three fifths are registered to vote leaving the % at about 3 to 4 %. In addition, in many states the registered voting percentages of blacks are less than 1% to about 3%. Even if AAs vote at 95%, we can not elect Obama president. Whites will be the ones to elect this lying, George Wallace type race-baiting phony. I don’t want Obama to win the presidency and I plan to vote for Palin. If whites feel the same as I do, they had better show up at the polls in droves.

I agree!! That has been my advice to the people on this blog. DON’T RESPOND TO THE OBAMA TROLLS HOPE FLOATS, JM08, BEOWOLF, AND OTHERS AND THEY WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY. EVERYONE PROMISE???

well just how accurate have these so called pollsters been in recent years? not very good in my view! the emphasis is on PAID pollsters.

anyone who really believes that hillary wants obama to win or that her heart is in it seriously needs to see a doctor very soon. furthermore she is not the candidate so we need to get behind the candidate who will do the least damage and that is mccain. all other discussion at this time is pointless.

how do we know that JM08 is one of obambi’s smarter more divisive trolls. ignore the troll whatever the brand!

let her become majority leader and work with mccain. i am sure they’ll disagree but in a positive way. whereas pelsoi has to go and where i don’t care. the back door would be nice.

look, stop calling names. mckinny was OUT OF LINE. she needed to be called on her conduct. and the people who voted her out was a primarily aa district. they didn’t like her behavior either.

hillary needs to work for democrats who share her values and views. she is working harder for obama than i care to see as well. color me disappointed.

i have posted here for quite awhile. i am a hillary supporter and i don’t care to see her work for obama. it makes me want to throw up! many folks feel that way and we aren’t trolls.

i think most of us can tell the difference between “bashing” hillary and offering up our views on her support for obama. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. i am not happy about her support for him, but i can vote against obama in november. i can support hillary when she comes forward(hopefully) down the road in a a leadership role for the country.

Amen to that, Chockablock.

frankly there is no democratic party left to support. that space is about as empty as the beach where ike came ashore. and hillary? well she has been the leader and i hope she will be again. right now what she is doing doesn’t please me. frankly i am tired and have been through the mill. i don’t have the patience to hear excuses for not looking out for the welfare of the american people. COUNTRY FIRST!

JM08, i hope you didn’t bash palin. i admire hillary overall though i am not a fan of what she is doing now. call me old fashioned but i expect america first and part a distant 3rd and only if deserved. yeah i support mccain though i have been deeply disappointed and disgusted with the bush2 administration. i consider obama the worst possible thing that can happen to america.

exactly paul! hillary is not in the race unfortunately. venting all our energy on her doesn’t serve either her or us. those are the sad but necessary facts.

The best theme of her speech was that she doesn’t pad the Democrats on the back, but points out her own attempts at legislation that were blocked, in hindsight, now are being adopted across party lines.

The worst part of the speech is the jab at Adam Smith and I presume his seminal work The Wealth of Nations.

I just ordered this copy (hardbound) for my own Libri:
http://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Nations-Foreword-Introduction-University/dp/1905641265/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product

The problem with the misquoting of Adam Smith is that BOTH PARTIES fail to have READ THE DAMN WORK.

1: We don’t have a small, agile, diverse, large competition market by market economy driven from the towns up to the State and onto a small agile Federal Government.

—This is the premise of Adam Smith’s seminal work. He historically shows the follies of large central government, oligopolies, pseudo-capitalist systems [US current system] and more.

2: We have Republicans politically leveraging the name of Adam Smith without ever implementing the aims of Adam Smith.

———-

Congress and the White House, to the Libertarians, to the Democrats, to the Republicans, to the Greens, etc.: Read his damn Magnum Opus. It continues to be raped and pillaged for quotes without context to satisfy political agendas.

It’s akin to overstating a Calculus Principle of Distribution as if it’s the body of Calculus and all it entails.

Read the book and realize there once was a reason his work was highly valued amongst the Founders. It was visionary, fair, pragmatic and focused on the long-term, stable, slow growth of economies to meet the needs of populations.

Today we live in a me first and the rest of the world last mindset, amongst all nations in the First World tier. With extremes of trade imbalance we’ll never get stability.

I enjoyed Senator Clinton’s speech greatly for taking some credit in a time where people are proclaiming originality of ideas.

She serves herself better and the People of the United States of America if she encourages people to read the Wealth of Nations, first, in order to get a better understanding of our own Wealth of Nations present drama.

jm08, i don’t lie on here. i respond to some posts. that’s all! agenda? country first! no obama! and yours?

Bell’Artista,

Love your name…..

GHETTO comes from the Venetian vernacular.

GHETTO, or GETTO in Italian, means a THROW or a
SPEW. In this case it was SLAG, comining from the
foundries on the one of the islands of the Lagoon
that comprise Venice, Cannareggio.

In the 1500s Jews in Venice were relegated to this
island.

GHETTO thereafter was applied to all segragated areas whether in Italy or other countries, U.S.A
included.

My big beef is that this despicable individual would
NOT address any MAN with the insults he has hurled
at the women mentioned.

That was the last straw.

Mainly, though, he is just an annoying TROLL.

JM08. It is you and people like you who have bashed the Clintons and tried to destroy them over the last 10 years. They have done more for this country than any other couple since FDR. If you are this type of a repub, then I detest you but for now we are comrades in order to defeat Obama(the enemy of my enemy is my friend). I am a female AA Hillary supporter now and forever. I don’t like to see her campaign for Obama either but I will not disrepect her effort to get democrats elected. I will probably vote for the democrat from my state of MS, the former govenor, and not the repub lapdog. McCain doesn’t need a lap dog who toes the repub line 100%, he needs people to help him turn this country around and head it in the right direction.

Of course it is Criminal the Hillary Clinton is not Running Against John McCain. That is why I am not sharing the same views with the Criminals who placed Barrack Obama into this Race.

dont be ridiculous. read obama’s plan, oh he DOESNT HAVE ONE, McCain and Hillary plans are very similar.
Oh, and nobama knows very intimately the crux of this problem, his cronies helped to bankrupt Fannie and Freddie.

Dont drink the Kool Aid.

McCain/Palin
COUNTRY FIRST

I laughed so hard I cried! Thanks!

Watch 2 of them.

What a wonderful speech Hillary gave. Such a confident, intelligent, reassuring person who inspires confidence in her leadership. I hope President McCain and VP Palin, along with the remainder of the Bush admin., work with her to help get the country on the right track and keeping the special interest vultures at bay.

Yep. Obambi puts out a cascade of lies and hopes his media sycophants repeat them trying to make them stick to McCain. The tide has turned against him, and its all downhill to the McCain landslide. Hopefully, Hillary will be able to work with President McCain and fix the broken mortgage/finance industry.

Stay cool everybody. We already know how to tell a troll from one of us. If you havenot heard the latest,bo told all of his trolls to stay in our faces and yell us down until we agree to vote for him. This guy is going to get someone hurt because in the south people won’t put up with this kind ofact. So lets all keep our cool and let’s not condem our girl,Hillary, because she is doing what she has to do in order to get support from the dems when she runs again. It’s blackmail but she will get the last laugh

Well, I could only watch less than 5 minutes. This wasn’t about the USA or our economy, it was a partisan attack game.
Here (bigtime demo state)the usury rates were shot down a long time ago, and mafia interest charges formerly reserved only for criminals became widespread and endorsed by the government as legitmate business a LONG time ago, a lot longer than 8 years ago, or for the last 8 years.
I guess I’m supposed to believe fannie and freddie started the day GWB took office.
So anyway,I doubt I can force myself to watch 22 minutes, when I might actually learn something in 10 seconds of that.
What a shame.
I highly doubt any of the 4 still there have anything else to offer concerning this matter.
A bunch of smoke is blowing, and that’s all we will ever hear I think.
Tiny little ads used to say ” Come to our Store and SPEND SPEND SPEND! ”
Those are like 1970 era ads.
Honesty soon faded from public view, and I’d bet 10,000 laws since then have contributed to this current fiasco.
As soon as I hear some WELL INFORMED “geek” politicain stand up and explain to all of us how COMPUTERS and their number crunching powers have let the whole system get away from the whole world, and all the government’s abilities ( including their desire – which is severly lacking for the obviou$ rea$on$ ) to control things, then I sit up and listen.
This is more of the same old crap that won’t solve a thing.
Fannie and Freddie and dem new deal creations, it’s not bushes fault.
This kind of insanity has been going on since ads did a 180 from : !spend spend spend ! (the truth)
To their current form which is based on a 100% falsehood : Save save save!
In other words, it’s been 30 or more years since honesty was thought to be part of this whole game.
Then came computers, and the thing took off like wildfire, and it’s so spinning out of control I doubt any of them have the guts or even the HONESTY inside their own heads and in the people who surround them to bring it back under control, which means back to an HONEST level.
Any discussion of it will be so filled with lies and half truths and misconceptions and missings of the point, that they cannot even begin to DISCUSS the problem – they haven’t the capacity.
They will need to be deprogrammed, and all the little money commenters (who have been telling lies for DECADES now) will need their entire psyche reprogrammed to fix it.
This is just another example of the moral decay, which is essentially a big giantic pile of LIES.
When will we get 99 people tellig the truth and 1 liar, instead of the opposite ? lol
NEVER, imo.
It’s GONE.

THANK YOU for this post Andy.

I’m Thinker, and I approve this post.

It’s amazing isn’t it?

I could have sworn that this was the United States of America, and people are afraid to say who they are voting for?

This type of climate in our country is simply unacceptable, and the fact that it’s being done in support of a Black candidate doesn’t make it somehow better.

My mother told me not to wear a Hillary shirt because she was scared that I was going get attacked.

And people wonder why Obama supporters are compared to Hitler youth.

“just have to wonder knowing this site has a lot a Hillary supporters, what good does it serve to apply that dislike over and over?”

- Great point.

You won’t see me bashing Obama on sites that are clearly pro-Obama. It’s pointless. There are plenty of anti-Obama sites that I can do that on.

Some posters don’t like Hillary.

ok. We get it. But talking about how he dislikes her over and over and over on a PRO-HILLARY site is annoying.

Alright, so let’s focus on Hillary’s plan, and not the trolls who have managed to divert the conversation.

Let’s ignore them, okay?

Hillary:

…called for swift and strong action to stem the growing credit crisis on Wall Street. Assailing the Bush Administration for ignoring repeated warnings of the growing crisis and failing to provide adequate oversight of an increasingly complicated market, Senator Clinton offered a series of bold, specific proposals, including creating a new version of the Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) to restore confidence in the market, curbing the most damaging and manipulative trading practices, providing relief to homeowners facing foreclosure, and reasserting competent federal oversight

Hillary’s proposals:

* Create a new entity to buy up and quarantine toxic mortgage securities that are dragging down the markets which would allow the markets to stabilize. Last spring Senator Clinton was among the first to call for a new entity modeled after the successful Depression-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC) or the Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) created after the Savings and Loan crisis.

In response, Senator Clinton outlined a series of proposals to address the crisis, a crisis she warned about during the primary:

* Place a temporary moratorium on the most abusive stock transactions, many of which involve the “short-selling” of stocks. Yesterday, Senator Clinton wrote to the Securities and Exchange Commission urging such a moratorium, saying it would provide breathing room for the markets to recover, for investors to make accurate assessments of companies and for regulators to assess what trading practices should be permanently banned.

* Convene an emergency economic summit to show the American people their government is working together. Bringing together leaders in the administration and Congress with lenders, consumer advocates, non profits, financial institutions, and all stakeholders will allow a coordinated response to the crisis.

* Aggressively pursue and encourage mortgage modifications. Senator Clinton has introduced legislation to remove barriers to mortgage modification and to encourage lenders to voluntarily work with borrowers to keep them current on payments and in their homes.

* Restore competent federal oversight of the increasingly complicated financial markets. The rapid evolution of the securities and banking industry overwhelmed the current regulatory framework, resulting in a “shadow banking system” that operates outside of oversight and without accountability.

* Require transparency and accountability on executive pay. Senator Clinton has proposed the Corporate Executive Compensation Accountability and Transparency Act to impose new transparency rules on executive pay, end the accounting techniques that hide compensation, and provide shareholders a say in executive compensation packages.

* Ensure the accountability of financial institutions borrowing money from the Federal Reserve’s new lending facilities. Taxpayers deserve to know that the companies they are bailing out are on the road to recovery and aren’t throwing more good money after bad.

I went to the Obama web-site as Nancy suggested to compare Obama’s economic policies with those laid out in Hillary’s speech and I found this:

Cap Outlandish Interest Rates on Payday Loans and Improve Disclosure: Obama and Biden will extend a 36 percent interest cap to all Americans. They will require lenders to provide clear and simplified information about loan fees, payments and penalties, which is why they’ll require lenders to provide this information during the application process.

I remembered something from the primary debate in South Carolina and did a little Google and found this in the CNN transcript. The link is below.

CLINTON: … be hurling these charges against one another, I’m used to taking the incoming fire. I’ve taken it for 16 years. But when you get into this arena…

(APPLAUSE)

… you can’t expect to have a hands-off attitude about your record. And it is perfectly fair to have comparisons and contrasts. I voted against a 30 — I voted for limiting to 30 percent what credit card companies could charge.

Senator Obama did not. That’s a fact.

(CROSSTALK)

OBAMA: Absolutely. It is a fact, because I thought 30 percent potentially was too high of a ceiling. So we had had no hearings…

(APPLAUSE)

… on that bill. It had not gone through the Banking Committee. I don’t know about a lot of folks here, most folks here, if they’ve got a credit card, are paying 29 percent. So under this provision, that would’ve been fine.

And we had not created the kind of serious…

EDWARDS: You voted against it because the limit was too high, is that what you just said?

OBAMA: That is exactly what I just said, John, because…

EDWARDS: So there’s no limit at all.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/debate.transcript/index.html

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Obama has no stand on the economic crisis until Paul or Bernanke come out with a solid position….Obama will then say that is what I proposed….and people will believe thought there is proof right now that he said I won’t onvoke politics into the economic crisis! It is very similar to the answers he gave in debates….what Hillary just said!

Obama has no stand on the economic crisis until Paul or Bernanke come out with a solid position….Obama will then say that is what I proposed….and people will believe thought there is proof right now that he said I won’t onvoke politics into the economic crisis! It is very similar to the answers he gave in debates….what Hillary just said!

Obama has no stand on the economic crisis until Paul or Bernanke come out with a solid position….Obama will then say that is what I proposed….and people will believe thought there is proof right now that he said I won’t onvoke politics into the economic crisis! It is very similar to the answers he gave in debates….what Hillary just said!

Obama has no stand on the economic crisis until Paul or Bernanke come out with a solid position….Obama will then say that is what I proposed….and people will believe thought there is proof right now that he said I won’t onvoke politics into the economic crisis! It is very similar to the answers he gave in debates….what Hillary just said!

Obama has no stand on the economic crisis until Paul or Bernanke come out with a solid position….Obama will then say that is what I proposed….and people will believe thought there is proof right now that he said I won’t onvoke politics into the economic crisis! It is very similar to the answers he gave in debates….what Hillary just said!

If you are a republican bashing Hillary, I have one thing to say….Do you want to win in the fall? Then stop bashing Hillary because you need us to defeat Obama!

Hillary is too junior a Senator to become Senate Majority Leader!

Thank you, too, Andy.

Skipping over them saves a lot of time too.