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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Since real wages have declined during the same period...&quot;

The term &#039;real wages&#039; is defined as wages after inflation, so you can&#039;t whine about &#039;real wages&#039; falling AND inflation as if they are two separate evils. It makes you look ignorant. 

Furthermore, the inflation rate over the whole period of Bush has been 25%, and will edge a bit higher by the end of the year.  The prior eight years was 22.8%. Given the shocks to the economy of 9/11, and the oil price differences in the two time periods, should the difference in inflation over the two different periods really be the basis for any sort of histrionics?

Finally, the changing demographics in who gets paid what are hard to factor into a generic &#039;real wage&#039;. Is it affected by or does it ignore the 12 to 20 million illegals? What about the changing workforce, with increasing  numbers of individuals beginning to go into retirement, etc. The only &#039;official&#039; real-wage numbers I could find go through 2004, and don&#039;t show any sort of drop over time. The most you can say for the 2000-2004 period is that the rate of increase had lessened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Since real wages have declined during the same period&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The term &#8216;real wages&#8217; is defined as wages after inflation, so you can&#8217;t whine about &#8216;real wages&#8217; falling AND inflation as if they are two separate evils. It makes you look ignorant. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the inflation rate over the whole period of Bush has been 25%, and will edge a bit higher by the end of the year.  The prior eight years was 22.8%. Given the shocks to the economy of 9/11, and the oil price differences in the two time periods, should the difference in inflation over the two different periods really be the basis for any sort of histrionics?</p>
<p>Finally, the changing demographics in who gets paid what are hard to factor into a generic &#8216;real wage&#8217;. Is it affected by or does it ignore the 12 to 20 million illegals? What about the changing workforce, with increasing  numbers of individuals beginning to go into retirement, etc. The only &#8216;official&#8217; real-wage numbers I could find go through 2004, and don&#8217;t show any sort of drop over time. The most you can say for the 2000-2004 period is that the rate of increase had lessened.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761541</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom was a teacher until she retired at about age 60 to start her own business. (She got tired of being mandated by the state to spend weeks teaching first-graders MS Power Point, and other equally moronic, counter-productive stuff. Could we possibly teach them to READ before we bother teaching them to use a program that might actually be passe by the time they get around to actually needing to use it?!)

She bought a successful franchise that basically did elder-sitting -- NOT nursing care, not medical care of any sort. She thought, and still thinks this is exactly the kind of thing she would like to do, but... 

Shortly after starting the business, along with all the standard tax and regulation stuff mentioned by others in this thread, she had to deal with medical and nursing associations lobbying the state legislature to create new regulations that affected elderly-sitting. Suddenly she and all her employees had to have all sorts of training and certifications to simply undertake the task of &#039;elderly-sitting&#039;, never mind that they never intended to provide any sort of medical care or assistance. This was all because high-priced nurses and nursing homes were seeing a portion of their business go to lower cost providers, so regulatory hurdles were erected to make such business far less viable. The result for people like us that need someone to watch an elderly relative for a weekend at the house is that it can cost almost as much as just hiring a freaking nurse.

Unfortunately, this isn&#039;t an isolated case or unusual story. The same thing goes on across the US in all manners of services and industries. Always, the regulations are for the &#039;good of the people&#039;. Can&#039;t have untrained, uncertified people baby-sitting our elderly relatives! Can&#039;t have &#039;uncertified&#039; people selling coffins for less online. Oops, it&#039;s not enough to have a degree in physics and education, either. YOU can&#039;t be a teacher until you get &#039;certified&#039;. (I&#039;ll put ANY 10 home schooled kids up against any 10 kids taught by &#039;certified&#039; teachers using a state curriculum any day of the week.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom was a teacher until she retired at about age 60 to start her own business. (She got tired of being mandated by the state to spend weeks teaching first-graders MS Power Point, and other equally moronic, counter-productive stuff. Could we possibly teach them to READ before we bother teaching them to use a program that might actually be passe by the time they get around to actually needing to use it?!)</p>
<p>She bought a successful franchise that basically did elder-sitting &#8212; NOT nursing care, not medical care of any sort. She thought, and still thinks this is exactly the kind of thing she would like to do, but&#8230; </p>
<p>Shortly after starting the business, along with all the standard tax and regulation stuff mentioned by others in this thread, she had to deal with medical and nursing associations lobbying the state legislature to create new regulations that affected elderly-sitting. Suddenly she and all her employees had to have all sorts of training and certifications to simply undertake the task of &#8216;elderly-sitting&#8217;, never mind that they never intended to provide any sort of medical care or assistance. This was all because high-priced nurses and nursing homes were seeing a portion of their business go to lower cost providers, so regulatory hurdles were erected to make such business far less viable. The result for people like us that need someone to watch an elderly relative for a weekend at the house is that it can cost almost as much as just hiring a freaking nurse.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this isn&#8217;t an isolated case or unusual story. The same thing goes on across the US in all manners of services and industries. Always, the regulations are for the &#8216;good of the people&#8217;. Can&#8217;t have untrained, uncertified people baby-sitting our elderly relatives! Can&#8217;t have &#8216;uncertified&#8217; people selling coffins for less online. Oops, it&#8217;s not enough to have a degree in physics and education, either. YOU can&#8217;t be a teacher until you get &#8216;certified&#8217;. (I&#8217;ll put ANY 10 home schooled kids up against any 10 kids taught by &#8216;certified&#8217; teachers using a state curriculum any day of the week.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with jennie!

It&#039;s very interesting that for almost the entire time that &#039;outsourcing&#039; has been an scape-goat issue, the US has been at what most economists consider &#039;full employment&#039;, and that is while we&#039;ve had between 12 and 20 million illegal aliens doing the &#039;jobs Americans won&#039;t do&#039;. All the while, America has still continued to manufacture more than ever with mfg. output rising almost exponentially ever since the end of the Great Depression, and productivity has continued to rise. We have seen a &#039;loss&#039; of manufacturing jobs, but it is inaccurate to say that they&#039;ve all gone &#039;overseas&#039;. A majority of lost manufacturing jobs has been due to industrial automation, not &#039;outsourcing&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with jennie!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very interesting that for almost the entire time that &#8216;outsourcing&#8217; has been an scape-goat issue, the US has been at what most economists consider &#8216;full employment&#8217;, and that is while we&#8217;ve had between 12 and 20 million illegal aliens doing the &#8216;jobs Americans won&#8217;t do&#8217;. All the while, America has still continued to manufacture more than ever with mfg. output rising almost exponentially ever since the end of the Great Depression, and productivity has continued to rise. We have seen a &#8216;loss&#8217; of manufacturing jobs, but it is inaccurate to say that they&#8217;ve all gone &#8216;overseas&#8217;. A majority of lost manufacturing jobs has been due to industrial automation, not &#8216;outsourcing&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761207</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this is the current status. So maybe we should stop pretending we have a &#039;progressive&#039; tax system, scrap it, and go with the FAIR tax system. OR, at least stop pretending that we can make our tax system &#039;more progressive&#039; by raising taxes on the &#039;rich&#039;, which invariably also raises taxes on the middle brackets as well. It might also be more honest to stop pretending that we make our system &#039;more regressive&#039; by cutting taxes, even in the case where only the top brackets get the cut. 

Since people like Perot, on both the left and right, pay less in taxes as a percentage of their &#039;real&#039; income than even the lowest brackets, what we effectively have is a regressive tax system, and putting people like Pelosi or other rich people in charge of &#039;reforming&#039; the tax system is not going to ever result in &#039;real change&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is the current status. So maybe we should stop pretending we have a &#8216;progressive&#8217; tax system, scrap it, and go with the FAIR tax system. OR, at least stop pretending that we can make our tax system &#8216;more progressive&#8217; by raising taxes on the &#8216;rich&#8217;, which invariably also raises taxes on the middle brackets as well. It might also be more honest to stop pretending that we make our system &#8216;more regressive&#8217; by cutting taxes, even in the case where only the top brackets get the cut. </p>
<p>Since people like Perot, on both the left and right, pay less in taxes as a percentage of their &#8216;real&#8217; income than even the lowest brackets, what we effectively have is a regressive tax system, and putting people like Pelosi or other rich people in charge of &#8216;reforming&#8217; the tax system is not going to ever result in &#8216;real change&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761081</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinton Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they&#039;re using &quot;Kennedy as a model&quot; then a blind tailor cut out the pattern.  It&#039;s a VERY BAD FIT, and I&#039;m not just talking about the obvious lunacy of trying to make Michelle Obama look like &quot;MASSIVE JACKIE&quot; or the silly poses Obama affects to try to evoke JFK.  

Obama is not a great speaker.   AT ALL.   He is a great teleprompter reader, and there is a difference.  

Kennedy could speak in any venue--extemporaneously, in small groups, to large audiences--anytime, anywhere.  He could connect on all levels.  He was WITTY.  

  Obama needs the words in front of him on the little magic machine, so he can read them in a ponderous, hectoring, UP and DOWN, UP and DOWN tone.  Waaah, waaah, waaaah.  And WAAH!!!!  His is a performance--you watch it, from afar, but you aren&#039;t part of it.  It&#039;s the same shit, over and over and over again, like a poodle jumping through a hoop at the circus--the poodle is never going to do anything new or different.  

  You know damned well it doesn&#039;t matter if you&#039;re there or not, because Obama&#039;s not speaking to you, or ANYONE in the audience, really--he is just digging the sound of his own voice.  

And if Obama really wants to be JFK, he&#039;s gotta grow a spine, get some geopolitical education, support a more HAWKISH national security policy (JFK was NOT the Kumbayah Kid), and stop APOLOGIZING, as if America is guilty of every wrong in the world. JFK was not a whining WEAKLING.  Obama is.   

He&#039;s also shy about 13 years experience in the US House and Senate, as well as time in military service in a leadership position.

We knew JFK, and he&#039;s no JFK.  The attempted comparison is a load of bullshit, aside from being an insult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they&#8217;re using &#8220;Kennedy as a model&#8221; then a blind tailor cut out the pattern.  It&#8217;s a VERY BAD FIT, and I&#8217;m not just talking about the obvious lunacy of trying to make Michelle Obama look like &#8220;MASSIVE JACKIE&#8221; or the silly poses Obama affects to try to evoke JFK.  </p>
<p>Obama is not a great speaker.   AT ALL.   He is a great teleprompter reader, and there is a difference.  </p>
<p>Kennedy could speak in any venue&#8211;extemporaneously, in small groups, to large audiences&#8211;anytime, anywhere.  He could connect on all levels.  He was WITTY.  </p>
<p>  Obama needs the words in front of him on the little magic machine, so he can read them in a ponderous, hectoring, UP and DOWN, UP and DOWN tone.  Waaah, waaah, waaaah.  And WAAH!!!!  His is a performance&#8211;you watch it, from afar, but you aren&#8217;t part of it.  It&#8217;s the same shit, over and over and over again, like a poodle jumping through a hoop at the circus&#8211;the poodle is never going to do anything new or different.  </p>
<p>  You know damned well it doesn&#8217;t matter if you&#8217;re there or not, because Obama&#8217;s not speaking to you, or ANYONE in the audience, really&#8211;he is just digging the sound of his own voice.  </p>
<p>And if Obama really wants to be JFK, he&#8217;s gotta grow a spine, get some geopolitical education, support a more HAWKISH national security policy (JFK was NOT the Kumbayah Kid), and stop APOLOGIZING, as if America is guilty of every wrong in the world. JFK was not a whining WEAKLING.  Obama is.   </p>
<p>He&#8217;s also shy about 13 years experience in the US House and Senate, as well as time in military service in a leadership position.</p>
<p>We knew JFK, and he&#8217;s no JFK.  The attempted comparison is a load of bullshit, aside from being an insult.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761070</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be nice if politicians didn&#039;t create a dozen ways that rich people, including Pelosi, Nader, Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and plenty of other rich people in both parties, can shield or hide their money. In the years that Ross Perot ran for President, he paid about 6% effective taxes on his 100&#039;s of millions of income. People like Kennedy, Nader, and Moore have utilized trusts to hide their money from the tax man. Using published rates, or even IRS reports, to say that the rich paid some percentage is misleading when people like Moore pay themselves walking-around money out of their trust, but the trust owns the cars, houses, etc. When you figure out how much tax they actually pay, compared to the income that goes into their trusts or other tax-sheltering schemes and projects, they can actually end up paying less than the 10 or 15 percent the lowest US tax brackets currently pay.

So should we stop pretending we have a &#039;progressive&#039; tax system, and that we can make it &#039;more progressive&#039; by raising the tax rates of the highest brackets (usually jacking the middle brackets up higher as well in the process).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be nice if politicians didn&#8217;t create a dozen ways that rich people, including Pelosi, Nader, Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and plenty of other rich people in both parties, can shield or hide their money. In the years that Ross Perot ran for President, he paid about 6% effective taxes on his 100&#8242;s of millions of income. People like Kennedy, Nader, and Moore have utilized trusts to hide their money from the tax man. Using published rates, or even IRS reports, to say that the rich paid some percentage is misleading when people like Moore pay themselves walking-around money out of their trust, but the trust owns the cars, houses, etc. When you figure out how much tax they actually pay, compared to the income that goes into their trusts or other tax-sheltering schemes and projects, they can actually end up paying less than the 10 or 15 percent the lowest US tax brackets currently pay.</p>
<p>So should we stop pretending we have a &#8216;progressive&#8217; tax system, and that we can make it &#8216;more progressive&#8217; by raising the tax rates of the highest brackets (usually jacking the middle brackets up higher as well in the process).</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-761020</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Nonsense&#039; is what you wrote. Where did &#039;Jeremiah&#039; say what you said he said? He didn&#039;t. He said that if you want more, you should have to work for it, not stick your hand out to the &#039;rich&#039;.

Median income per household member (incl. non-working members) is $23.5K and median household income is $46.3K. But I&#039;m sure we could cherry-pick some different numbers if we wanted.

A single person has to pay 25% of their income at a paltry $32.5K, and a &#039;head of household&#039; pays 25% at only $43.6K of income.

When, on &lt;em&gt;average&lt;/em&gt;, the US population watches over 40 hours of TV a week, then, yes, maybe people could make a lot more income if they really wanted to. (Men +4 hrs/day, women +5 hrs/day, total TV each day per household: +8 hrs.) 

But when that puts them up in a higher bracket, and they go from paying 15% on their total taxable income to 25% on their total taxable income, then maybe it&#039;s not such a good idea after all.

In the case that I&#039;m married, filing separately, and I have just under $32.5K taxable income, my federal taxes are right at $3250. If I make just over $32.5K taxable, then my taxes are at least $4890. If I make an additional $10,000 more, I only clear about $6K more after taxes, comparing after tax income in the 15% bracket and my new after tax income in the next higher bracket.  

But hey, I&#039;m paying my &#039;fair, patriotic share&#039;, helping out all those other people who are still sitting at home watching 40+ hrs of TV a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Nonsense&#8217; is what you wrote. Where did &#8216;Jeremiah&#8217; say what you said he said? He didn&#8217;t. He said that if you want more, you should have to work for it, not stick your hand out to the &#8216;rich&#8217;.</p>
<p>Median income per household member (incl. non-working members) is $23.5K and median household income is $46.3K. But I&#8217;m sure we could cherry-pick some different numbers if we wanted.</p>
<p>A single person has to pay 25% of their income at a paltry $32.5K, and a &#8216;head of household&#8217; pays 25% at only $43.6K of income.</p>
<p>When, on <em>average</em>, the US population watches over 40 hours of TV a week, then, yes, maybe people could make a lot more income if they really wanted to. (Men +4 hrs/day, women +5 hrs/day, total TV each day per household: +8 hrs.) </p>
<p>But when that puts them up in a higher bracket, and they go from paying 15% on their total taxable income to 25% on their total taxable income, then maybe it&#8217;s not such a good idea after all.</p>
<p>In the case that I&#8217;m married, filing separately, and I have just under $32.5K taxable income, my federal taxes are right at $3250. If I make just over $32.5K taxable, then my taxes are at least $4890. If I make an additional $10,000 more, I only clear about $6K more after taxes, comparing after tax income in the 15% bracket and my new after tax income in the next higher bracket.  </p>
<p>But hey, I&#8217;m paying my &#8216;fair, patriotic share&#8217;, helping out all those other people who are still sitting at home watching 40+ hrs of TV a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Howdy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-760981</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt Howdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey
for the record.  I said I would vote for Obama IF I vote.
also I live in IL so it doesnt matter much how I vote. 
it was sloppy.  and what was interpreted as support for Obama was not really that at all.
it was more an admission that I am conflicted, as many democrats are, and it was unfortunate because the larger point I was trying to make about Obama losing because of his race was lost on some people.
sorry.
I am sort of new at this and I will get better at saying what I really mean.  hopefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey<br />
for the record.  I said I would vote for Obama IF I vote.<br />
also I live in IL so it doesnt matter much how I vote.<br />
it was sloppy.  and what was interpreted as support for Obama was not really that at all.<br />
it was more an admission that I am conflicted, as many democrats are, and it was unfortunate because the larger point I was trying to make about Obama losing because of his race was lost on some people.<br />
sorry.<br />
I am sort of new at this and I will get better at saying what I really mean.  hopefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-760785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah: ditto

John: &quot;You’re a moron. I’m a teacher.&quot; &quot;I can’t believe I’m even responding to you, it’s like trying to talk to a child.&quot; 

John, I hope you don&#039;t &#039;teach&#039; the way you &#039;argue&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremiah: ditto</p>
<p>John: &#8220;You’re a moron. I’m a teacher.&#8221; &#8220;I can’t believe I’m even responding to you, it’s like trying to talk to a child.&#8221; </p>
<p>John, I hope you don&#8217;t &#8216;teach&#8217; the way you &#8216;argue&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaycephus</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-760759</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaycephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a govt. can be indiscriminately &#039;influenced&#039; by money, regardless of who is in power, then the conservative position that govt. is a necessary evil, and big govt. is worse, is indisputably true. 

&quot;In 2004, the SEC gave five banks (and only five banks) the ability to lever up 30 or even 40 to 1 (from 12 to 1 previously). Bet you can guess the five banks. Bear, Lehman, Merrill, Morgan and Goldman. Three down.&quot; - John Mauldin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a govt. can be indiscriminately &#8216;influenced&#8217; by money, regardless of who is in power, then the conservative position that govt. is a necessary evil, and big govt. is worse, is indisputably true. </p>
<p>&#8220;In 2004, the SEC gave five banks (and only five banks) the ability to lever up 30 or even 40 to 1 (from 12 to 1 previously). Bet you can guess the five banks. Bear, Lehman, Merrill, Morgan and Goldman. Three down.&#8221; &#8211; John Mauldin</p>
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		<title>By: Capt Howdy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-760269</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt Howdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer white russians.  does that make me a racist?
btw
I wrote that post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer white russians.  does that make me a racist?<br />
btw<br />
I wrote that post.</p>
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		<title>By: Ordinary Woman</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-759909</link>
		<dc:creator>Ordinary Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Leona go to jail for tax evasion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Leona go to jail for tax evasion?</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-759724</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich people don&#039;t provide jobs.  Regular people who need goods and services provide jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich people don&#8217;t provide jobs.  Regular people who need goods and services provide jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-759671</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s campaign may be playing the racial guilt card at the moment, but I believe that if it looks like that isn&#039;t working, particularly after the second presidential (as well as the only vice presidential) debate, they are fully prepared to play the racial unrest and violence card as a last-minute effort to influence the electorate through fear.  I hope that they don&#039;t do this, I only bring it up because I sense that very early stage feelers and preps are already underway.

I believe that playing that card will backfire and be unsuccessful.  I also believe that playing that card is where decent Democrats and independents must decisively draw the line and censue those individuals and organizations that make that play.

We&#039;ll see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s campaign may be playing the racial guilt card at the moment, but I believe that if it looks like that isn&#8217;t working, particularly after the second presidential (as well as the only vice presidential) debate, they are fully prepared to play the racial unrest and violence card as a last-minute effort to influence the electorate through fear.  I hope that they don&#8217;t do this, I only bring it up because I sense that very early stage feelers and preps are already underway.</p>
<p>I believe that playing that card will backfire and be unsuccessful.  I also believe that playing that card is where decent Democrats and independents must decisively draw the line and censue those individuals and organizations that make that play.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/4945/enough-2/#comment-759543</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep</p>
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