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U.S. Campaign Reader: “The Incredible Shrinking Obama”

Here are a dozen articles from both the US and international media about the US Presidential race. Highlights of each article provided with a link to the full article.

The Incredible Shrinking Obama
By Rex Murphy in Toronto’s Globe and Mail.

Journalists used to tell stories, now they plumb narratives. Narrative is a pretentious borrowing from the abstraction-clotted world of academic criticism, where texts are interrogated, authors are dead and high-toned fatuousness is king. I’ll see your postmodern and raise you a meta.

Mr. Obama’s campaign, however, has renewed narrative’s trendy fizz. It is the very Perrier water (or is it San Pellegrino now?) of the better campaign reportage. Take no hike up Pundit Mountain without it. From the moment, the Obama surge took forceful shape, everyone – reporters, the scholars of blogland, the partisan howler monkeys of cable-news cage matches – has chattered on about Mr. Obama’s narrative.

Trouble is, most of the story of the campaign isn’t so much coming from the candidate himself as it is created by all those who, most in worshipful terms, have talked, written and reported on or about him. The Obama campaign is one great text generator, the grand fable of his fans.

Same-Sex Marriage Ban Is Tied to Obama Factor
By Jesse McKinley in the New York Times.

Could Senator Barack Obama’s popularity among black voters hurt gay couples in California who want to marry?

That is the concern of opponents of Proposition 8, a measure on the November ballot that would amend the state constitution to ban same-sex marriage, which was legalized in May by the State Supreme Court.

Add Black homophobes to my list of worries.

Meltdown Puts Obama Back in Driving Seat
By Dennis Staunton in the Irish Times.

THIS WEEK’S meltdown in the markets has produced few winners but if the ill wind that has blown away half the investment banks on Wall Street has benefited anyone, it is Barack Obama.

After two weeks in the doldrums in the wake of the Republicans’ unexpectedly buoyant convention and the emergence of Sarah Palin as a fresh political star, the Democrats are back on top in the race for the White House.

Obama has regained the lead in national polls and wiped out McCain’s advantage in a number of key battleground states as the economy drives every other issue out of sight.

Is Obama Really that Good a Speaker?
By Daniel Finkelstein in the Times of London.

Bill Clinton’s policy adviser William Galston is frustrated with Barack Obama.

He thinks Obama is losing the debate on the economy, allowing McCain’s analysis – that lobbyists and Washington are the problem – to triumph because he doesn’t offer an analysis of his own.

Here They Go Again
By Jonathan Darman in Newsweek.

Rovean tactics alone do not win the Republican Party elections. This is a center-right country, and Democrats ignore this at their own peril.

To Democrats it simply does not make sense. The past eight years, with Republicans in control of the White House, have, they say, been disastrous for America. The military is beleaguered and beaten down after two long and taxing wars. The nation, they go on, has been disgraced in the eyes of the world. The economy has collapsed. The financial system is broken. Eighty percent of voters believe the nation is on the wrong track. Yet, a month and a half before the November election, the Democratic nominee for the presidency only slightly leads the Republican standard bearer in most polls. The GOP, in spite of everything, might somehow be able to hold on to power.

McCain and Obama Mostly Mum on Bailout
By Glenn Thrush and Tim Grieve writing for Politico.

If you think Henry Paulson’s three-page rewrite of the nation’s financial and governmental systems was vague and open-ended, you might want to check out the responses to his plan from John McCain and Barack Obama.

The presidential candidates are hardly powerless bystanders in the financial crisis — as senators and as leaders of their respective parties, either could have suspended his campaign and headed to Washington to lead his party’s legislative response to the proposal.

Far from that, neither McCain nor Obama has yet to venture so much as a detailed comment on the substance of today’s proposed $700 billion bailout. Instead the candidates are sticking to party-appropriate bromides while waiting to discern the public’s reaction, and also what move their parties’ respective congressional leaders are planning to make.

Biden: ‘It’s Nice To Be Back In Coal Country’
By Debra McCown in the Bristol Herald Courier (Virginia).

In his first visit to Southwest Virginia, Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, speaking at the United Mine Workers’ annual fish fry here on Saturday, was quick to tout his ties to coal.

“I hope you won’t hold it against me, but I am a hard-coal miner, anthracite coal, Scranton, Pa.,” Biden said. “It’s nice to be back in coal country. … It’s a different accent [in Southwest Virginia] … but it’s the same deal. We were taught that our faith and our family was the only really important thing, and our faith and our family informed everything we did.”

Biden, a U.S. senator from Delaware, told the story of his great-grandfather, a mining engineer who was elected to the state Senate in 1904 and was rumored to be a Molly Maguire, a member of a secret organization tied to union activism and crime in the Pennsylvania coalfields in the 19th century.

“He went out of his way to prove that he wasn’t, and we were all praying that he was,” he said.

The Molly Maguires were a mostly Irish Catholic secret organization in the post Civil War era in the anthracite coal region of the United States that stretches from western New York down to Alabama. Barbara Freese, an Assistant Attorney General in Minnesota, wrote a book called Coal, A Human History. In it, she describes the Molly Maguires as “coal mining terrorists who for many years advanced their interests in the anthracite region through arson, beatings, and the systematic murder of coal bosses and others who stood in their way.” In a bloody five-month long strike in 1875, the Molly Maguires derailed trains, sabotaged machinery and burned down mine buildings. Their violence actually set back the process of union building in the early period of American industrialization. Someone may want to point this out to ol’ smokin’ Joe.

Texas’ Female Politicians Can Relate to Palin’s Ordeal
By Anna M. Tinsley in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

Kay Granger knew what was coming. As soon as she heard that the governor of Alaska — a mother of five — was the Republican vice presidential candidate, Granger said she knew that Sarah Palin would be questioned about issues ranging from motherhood to job qualifications.

“Been there, saw it coming,” said Granger, a Republican congresswoman and former Fort Worth mayor. She and other locally elected women say they were grilled on similar issues when running for office years ago.

“There’s absolutely a double standard,” said Rebecca Deen, who heads the political science department at the University of Texas at Arlington. “People are still asking questions. And the questions that will be asked of a woman, at least in the foreseeable future, will be different than those asked of a man.”

Democrats’ Prejudice May Cost Obama Votes
By David Paul Kuhn writing for Politico.

The AP-Yahoo study concluded that white Democratic racism may cause 2.5 percent of voters to “turn away from Obama because of his race,” roughly the margin of President Bush’s victory over John F. Kerry in 2004.

White Democratic supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton were almost twice as likely as Obama’s primary supporters to cite a negative adjective in describing blacks — a finding consistent with trends in earlier polling. Only 59 percent of Clinton’s white Democratic supporters wanted Obama to be president.

The AP study also seems to have been conducted among a population of Democrats more skeptical of Obama than normal. While both the ABC News/Washington Post polls and the massive weekly summaries of the Gallup Poll show that since late August between 83 and 85 percent of Democrats say they will vote for Obama, the AP study interviewed a population where just seven in 10 Democrats said they support Obama.

Cindy McCain Campaigns — As She Lives — By Her Rules
By Lydia Martin in the Miami Herald.

The Arizona heiress with seven homes has traveled the globe for years doing humanitarian work, mostly aiding children and quietly donating plenty of money from a fortune estimated at $100 million. She may be the wife of a senator and presidential candidate, but from the time John McCain was elected to Congress in 1982, she has preferred to keep out of the political limelight. Spending time with kids — her four and the countless others with whom she has connected in orphanages and medical facilities — is how she feels most at ease.

McCain Drew $8.8 million in Two Days after Palin Selection
By Dan Morain in the Los Angeles Times.

John McCain raised more than $8.8 million in the two days after he announced that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin would join him on the Republican ticket — his biggest two-day haul of the long-running presidential campaign.

The Republican National Committee collected $4.5 million the day McCain selected Palin, newly filed Federal Election Commission reports show.

McCain’s decision to tap the then-little-known politician excited the Republican rank and file, helping him raise about $2.1 million in increments of less than $1,000 in two days.

Altogether, McCain raised $6.8 million Aug. 30, the day after the Palin announcement, and $2 million the next day. Until then, McCain had never topped $2 million in a single day in this presidential campaign, the Federal Election Commission data show.

McCain, Obama Offer No-Pain, All-Gain Energy Promises
An editorial from the Austin American-Statesman.

The United States has two broad energy problems: its heavy dependence on foreign oil production to move its cars, trucks, trains and aircraft; and its dependence on two other fossil fuels, coal and natural gas, to produce well over half of its electricity. And burning oil, natural gas and coal all produce the greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

Both major presidential candidates, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., promise to tackle these huge problems, but in ways that sound like all gain no pain for the American people. If only.

The United States gets almost 70 percent of the oil it uses every year from wells in other countries. As Texas financier and oilman T. Boone Pickens has pointed out in his quest to reduce that dependence, the United States is paying $700 billion a year to other nations for their oil, money that some will use to build their own economies and others to finance terrorists or their own wars.

Unfortunately, the solutions offered by both candidates are flawed because they are trying to politically engineer their way into office without causing any discomfort to Americans — for whom the problem isn’t dependence on foreign oil but high gasoline prices.

Obama in the Mud: So Much for Honesty
Editorial in the Manchester Union Leader (New Hampshire).

When Barack Obama first began campaigning in New Hampshire in early 2007, many voters swooned. We watched him speak to retirees in Claremont one snowy February day that year. Not a single voter we talked with before he spoke planned to vote for him. Afterwards, many said they would. The word that spontaneously came from the lips of multiple attendees: sincere. They couldn’t remember a politician who spoke with such sincerity, they said. And many of them had been voting since World War II.

We wonder what those same voters think of Obama’s sincerity now. In the past few weeks, Obama has thrown so many false accusations against John McCain that just keeping track of them has become difficult. And these aren’t innocent errors. They are deliberate distortions of the sort Obama has always said he reviles.

From my blog, By The Fault.

  • Perry Logan

    This is a center-right country, and Democrats ignore this at their own peril.

    A commonly heard meme, but entirely untrue.

    In poll after poll, Americans agree with the progressive position on most important issues. Two-thirds of Americans want more gun control. 60% of Americans approve of Affirmativ Action. 80% of Americans call themselves environmentlists. 80% of Americans want to keep Social Security. And so on.

    See The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth
    http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report

  • SFhillary

    Blah blah blah. Bottom Line, Obama’s “7 principles” are absolutely right on in terms of a candidate’s response to the most sobering financial crisis in any of our lifetimes. McCain’s out there blithering like an idiot, blaming the thing on Obama because of a freaking “advisor,” like that has anything to do with anything, and pretending his talking point about leadership means jack-shit, while Obama is actually being a leader and signalling to the Republicans that he, the de facto leader of the Democratic Party, will not support their horrific Shock Doctrine plan without a number of conditions that protect the American taxpayer.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    The roar will be deafening as November 4 approaches.

    Let the madness begin.

    I want Zingers at the debates!

    I want to hear Palin Retort “Neither is Barack Obama!” when Joe Biden says I know Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine, you Madame are no Hillary Clinton!”

    I want to Hear John McCain snap “Senator Obama the only thing you have changed is your position on issues countless times.”

    I want to Hear Chris Mathews and Keith Olberbamamann say “we live in a terrible racist country. Congratulations President McCain, we are moving to Mexico.”

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Obama, paid for by Freddie and Fannie, running the curtain infront of the fiasco created by the democrats.

    1 Trillion dollars later, the american people will be left with poocket change from bailing out the Democrats A house for every moron policy.

    Thats Change you can believe in.

  • Dan

    It’s all in the way the questions are worded, Perry. That’s how you libs can convince yourselves that the public really supports the “progressive agenda” when it clearly does not.

    Example: “Are you an environmentalist?” Yes.
    “Do you support overly restrictive environmental protection laws that cost jobs, stem economic growth, and adversely affect US competitiveness?” No.

    Example: “Do you support gun control?” Yes. “Do you support restricting the rights of law abiding citizens to own firearms?” No.

    And on and on and on …

    If America really was a left-leaning country, the Democratic Party would lose as many elections as it does. The 2006 election mid-term results weren’t so much a repudiation of conservative policies as it was a repudiation of the arrogance and incompetence of the current Republican leadership.

  • Seattle Moss

    Poor sf..
    All the people I’ve talked to and I’m a gregarious guy say that Obama blew it this week with his
    vote PRESENT response to AIG.
    Sarah in front of 60m brought that point home along with the Obama’s ties to Johnson and Raines.

    Not looking good for Obama!!

  • Dan

    Man, I’d dearly love to hear that too.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Polling progressives for their position on progressive issues…now thats what i call tom-foolery.

    Isn’t Media Matters an In The Tank Shill Front for Democratic Liberal Policy Astroturfing?

    Oh thats right they are!

    Might as well ask the catholic church to poll their sunday congregations about abortion…i bet they would come up with 100% of americans oppose abortion.

  • tampagurl

    The Soros Threat To Democracy.

    A must read about George Soros.

    http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275526219598836

  • SFhillary

    Idiot PUMAs are the only human beings on Earth who believe this crisis was caused by the Democrats. The Republican Party has been the party of deregulation for an entire generation: they did it for wall street, for telecommunications, for trade. They’ve been pushing it for Social Security. John McCain — still — is pushing it for both Social Security and health insurance. Now the GOP is trying to ram through a deal that will let former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson take one trillion in taxpayer money and hand it out to all his Wall Street buddies for all the useless, worthless bad mortgage instruments that are tanking their balance sheets — with no oversight, no equity participation for taxpayers, no new regulation to prevent the same thing from happening again.

    You ignoramuses better hope that Obama and his allies prevail, because I swear to God, the more I read about this situation, the more I believe that if this deal goes through as written, the future of our nation is in doubt. No joke.

  • http://lnab.newsvine.com/ Linda OKC

    yeah…and then they give us crap for a candidate…Gore was pitiful in 2000 (wish the guy who emerged in 2006 had been around then)…Kerry, and now the Precious (thoroughly corrupt and inept and arrogant)

    Those dems can sure pick them can’t then… I guess that’s why the DNC decided to JUST INSTALL ONE this year

  • tampagurl

    Hi Seattle, guess what I did today!

  • SFhillary

    See above. I am terrified beyond belief. You are all a bunch of fucking clueless idiots. Decisions are being in D.C. over the next few days that will determine whether America ever recovers from this Republican-caused economic cataclysm, and you, of course, are clowning around with your trivial gotcha points.

    It’s truly mind-boggling how stupid some people are. It is your own future that is going down the shitter this week. Do you even understand this?

    [ADMINISTRATOR: WE HAVE PUT UP WITH YOUR INSULTS LONG ENOUGH. THIS UGLY DIATRIBE ABOVE PUSHES ME BEYOND ANY PATIENCE WITH YOU and YOUR ELITIST ATTITUDE. YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED. HAD YOU STUCK TO CRITIQUES OF VIEWPOINTS, OR YOUR ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF OBAMA, YOU'D REMAIN WELCOME HERE -- WE ENCOURAGE DIVERSE VIEWPOINTS -- BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SMUG ARROGANCE EXPRESSED WITH FILTHY LANGUAGE.]

  • Seattle Moss

    Obama has pissed off McCain!!
    By attempting to make a connection between McCain and Limbaugh on immigration which is a blatant lie has really got him fired up and we will see Obama being blown up at the debate over these lies.

  • Seattle Moss

    Tampa
    I give up..What did you do today?

  • Seattle Moss

    You went to the Palin rally??

    Wow!!!

  • an observer

    Did I miss something this week. It appeared to me Obama was endorsing the bailout. It had to be done?

  • Seattle Moss

    Folks that use intimidation tactics to scare people usually are scared themselves.

    You probably have the willies sf!!

  • imustprotest

    I understand that Obamasoretoro took thousands and thousands of $$ from the corporate scum that caused this….Obama will help Obama end of story. We need a real leader, not an empty suit.

  • vinnie

    The Dems are the ones that block regulation for Fannie/Freddie so for you to say that they have no part in this is ridiculous. The fact is, there is plenty of blame to go around for both parties.

  • tampagurl

    Went to Sarah’s rally here in Florida. There were tens of thousands of people there and I got Todd’s, piper, Willow and Sarah’s autograph. The kids are as sweet as can be. Todd was wonderful and I got to shake his hand twice. He’s awfully good looking. I told Sarah I was a PUMA for John & Sarah and she said “you guys rock. The crowd loved her!

  • SFhillary

    He has endorsed the basic idea, which probably is necessary in some sense. But he also stated today that there had to be a number of major preconditions in order for him to support it, including oversight of the program, taxpayer equity benefit from the vast amounts of securities we’re all going to be paying for, regulatory reform to prevent the banking industry from bringing us all the brink of global catastrophe again, and relief for homeowners whose own mortgages are in crisis. These are all absolutely imperative if the U.S. economy is going to be rescued in any way, shape or form; they are all missing from the present plan; and John McCain, good Republican that he is, hasn’t said a thing about any of them.

    Obama is, again, demonstrating genuine leadership. So, for that matter, did Senator Clinton with her fantastic speech on the floor of the Senate a couple days ago; she made many of the same points.

  • Howdy Larry

    Speaking of baldfaced lies, where is the “Whitey” tape?

  • fred
  • Seattle Moss

    Gosh Tampa..
    I’m so envious!!
    Todd is such a regular guy. The type of dude that I can shoot a good game of pool while talking shop and wives.
    Todd is the Republicans secret weapon to win over the blue collar vote.
    Heck..He’s just like the guy next door who came over and borrowed my weed whacker today.

  • vinnie

    80% of Americans call themselves environmentlist

    LOL, uhhh, I don’t think so. I know some people here in Colorado who consider themselves to be “environmentalists” because they eat organic arugula and like the outdoors…while driving Hummers, SUVs and large expensive cars.

  • SFhillary

    I’m scared shitless, Seattle. No joke. This financial crisis is more frightening the more you read about it. But let me tell you: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the other Democratic leaders are the only ones standing between all of us and a bill that would absolutely torch the U.S. economy for a generation, or permanently. John McCain and the Republicans are basically trying to ram through a law that will steal a trillion dollars from ordinary taxpayers and have 100% power to hand it out however the Treasury Department wants to the same huge Wall Street corporations that lost it in the first place — with no guarantee that any of this would solve the underlying problems. Just they and their buddies will get richer and richer and richer while the underlying economy is just shredded for decades to come.

    It is scary as hell, and it is very unclear that Congress will do the right thing. At least Obama and Clinton and others are starting to make the right statements. McCain is not. He will scurry along like a rat with the rest of the Republicans, trying to lead us all into disaster.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Actually you are the idiot.

    Let me spell it out for you in simple terms even a koolaid guzzling cultits like you can understand.

    Democrats wanted to make every person a viable homeowner.

    Fannie and Freddie were essentiall deregulated to reduce the requirements of loans they would pick up.

    Consequently lending institutions started lending to people and with terms that they would never have considered prior to this because they new that fannie and freddie would buy em.

    THese loans became the standard for the new bottom line: if its good enough for fannie and freddie its good enough for us.

    The Mortgage industry started peddling loans to people who had no business getting one with zero down mortgages and 125% equity mortgages and no interest for 5 year mortgages.

    Everything was ok as long as the bubble kept expanding.

    Predatory lenders moved in as a result and sold even shadier and shittier mortgages to people.

    More and more banks turned into mortgage broker trading houses.

    More and more investment funds bought protfolios stuffed with marginal and potentially dangerous mortgages because fannie and freddie said them thar loans be good!

    John McCain and other members of the Senate warned that predatory lending is going to cause some serious problems and if it wasnt dealt with fast it was going to bite us in the ass!!

    That was 3 years ago.

    Barack Obama entered the Senate and started collecting money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Lending got even more predatory and then…

    The Bubble on housing prices began to burst.

    Home Values Dropped.

    Gas prices rose.

    Food Prices rose.

    The economy cooled.

    Refinancing a home that has a mortgage of 400K when its now valued at 300K aint going to happen sweetie.

    Suddenly ballons starting coming due.

    ANd bad debt piles up.

    All those portfolios with bad debts and overvalued property that could not be refinanced without incurring a significant loss hit wallstreet in the nuts and the paper in lue of money suddenly isnt worth what it was printed on.

    Nobody wants to buy them.

    Credit freeze ensues.

    No Credit no Money for workers.

    Many companies need cash in advance of what they project to pull in and operate on credit.

    No Credit no pay.

    No Pay No Food.

    No Food No good.

    American Worker takes it up the butt!

    Bush steps in in an attempt to unfreeze the credit market and keep the economy afloat.

    So the next time you want to make sure every american can buy a house make sure every one of them is actually qualified to buy one, and can afford the payments. doesnt refinance three times to pay for liposuction and disney land and a new gourmet kitchen, doesnt get 125% mortgages, doesn’t buy into a mortgage that lets their payments triple in cost after 3-5 years and at a time when falling house value prevents a refinance.

    Again for the moron in you, think about it…Banks wont give you a loan to pay off a 400K mortgage when your house is valued at 300K appraisal.

    So you have foreclosure after foreclosure and a bunch of property thats worth less than the paper you hold against it because of the current economic climate in the realestate industry.

    All of this because they wanted affirmative action in the housing market.

    They wanted to make sure a home was within reach for every american. Thats a great dream but once again, like almost every other major legislation form the Dumbocratic side of the aisle, the problem is not in the vision its in the GOD DAMN EXECUTION!

    Now the next time you call some one an IDIOT PUMA you self absorbed self congratularoty F*ckwit, get yourself some eduction.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    He endorsed it before he opposed it.

    In other words the idiot doesnt know what the hell he is talking aobut or doing and is double talking incase he has to walk back from where ever the hell he thought he was going.

  • VMorris

    SFHillary what YOU don’t understand is that you are just another snot-nosed, arrogant, elitist asshole who thinks you are smarter and better than everyone. Calling people fucking clueless is not likely to get us to hear whatever “clues” you want us to swallow. You are not very bright if you believe that OZero and the new Obamacratic party will be our deliverance from financial disaster. Except for Hillary, they don’t have a fucking clue about the economy.

    [ADMINISTRATOR: VMORRIS, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANGER BUT LET'S NOT STOOP TO HER LEVEL. SOMEONE NOTIFIED ME ABOUT THE GROSS, DISGUSTING ATTACKS THAT SHE HAS BEEN MAKING TONIGHT, SO I'VE BANNED HER. HERE'S WHAT I WROTE IN ONE OF HER COMMENTS:

    To SFHilary: WE HAVE PUT UP WITH YOUR INSULTS LONG ENOUGH. THIS UGLY DIATRIBE ABOVE PUSHES ME BEYOND ANY PATIENCE WITH YOU and YOUR ELITIST ATTITUDE. YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED. HAD YOU STUCK TO CRITIQUES OF VIEWPOINTS, OR YOUR ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF OBAMA, YOU’D REMAIN WELCOME HERE — WE ENCOURAGE DIVERSE VIEWPOINTS — BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH SMUG ARROGANCE EXPRESSED WITH FILTHY LANGUAGE.

    FYI ALL: If you see nasty comments, or lewd comments, feel free to e-mail me at susanunpc at gmail dot com -- as soon as I get a chance to open your e-mail, I'll look up the comment and consider action, and will let you know what I did or didn't do. Thanks for all your help. - Susan]

  • Seattle Moss

    Howdy Partner… Not!
    Who need a whitey tape when we are always being called bitter white folk
    Who need a whitey tape when we’re being called white trash
    who needs a whitey tape when certain individuals are threatening black gang rape against Sarah
    Who needs a whitey tape when you have Phleger and Wright

    Maybe a whitey tape might help you racists!

  • imustprotest

    Oh my! Now Clinton is being credited with economic credentials! Hillary was talking about this months and months ago while Barry was looking at himself in the mirror and stealing caucus votes. Cry me a river little SF! You make me sick.

  • fif

    Ha! That’s a good one. I guess that explains that we’ve only had one successful Democrat in the White House in 40 years–and Clinton was a Centrist.

    You keep reading those theories, while the Republicans appeal to the center & right and continue to win elections.

  • lark

    The 7 principals as he calls them are simply 7 bureaucratic connundrums that he would like to have included in the negotiations. Except he doesn’t know anything about them. He is just throwing a monkey wrench into the soup to spill the beans everywhere. These 7 principles are the most irresponsible and reckless things anyone could have devised when given 1/2 hr. after the President had addressed the Nation. His last principle, the principle of “anticipation” or “crystal ball affect,” simply would kill the Wall Street market as we know it. There is not such thing as “anticipation” not only in capitalism but as he himself knows from choosing Joe Biden for VP that can assure results.

    Your idol Obama, by coming out with his 7 principles 1/2 hr. after the President, could have cost you your job, the job of millions and millions of Americans and from there a depression similar to the 1929 depression that he so desperately seeks and wishes on this country. He must wish it to do something as reckless as what he did. There is no other explanation.

  • standard

    This country is not so conservative. It elected Clinton twice.
    Our problem is big money controlling all of the news outlets. TV news is nothing but a propaganda machine for big money interests.
    During the primaries, you could not turn to a station that wasn’t vilifying HRC.
    Big money is dictating our presidents now. Whether it’s a Caroline Kennedy deciding that daddy would want a Catholic VP, or the coal industry influencing CNN with a big ad budget.

  • JozefAL

    Let’s see if I understand you correctly. Hillary made a speech a COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, making “many of the same points” as Obama. Then, NOW (a few days later) Obama crafts a plan.
    Shouldn’t that show that Obama (once again) had to wait for someone ELSE to craft a plan that HE could “borrow”? To anyone with even a pair of functional neurons, it does. To Obamadroids, it doesn’t. (In other words, where was Obama’s plan “a couple days ago”? Did Hillary have to pull his ass out of the fire AGAIN? I think so.)

  • Charles Lemos

    And yet it was Bill Clinton who reversed the Glass Segall Act of 1933. And yet it is Obama who has ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And it is Obama who counts Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and the now defunct Lehman Brothers as three of his top ten donors.

  • tampagurl

    He really was Seattle,
    He looked me straight in the eye when he shook my hand. I asked him how he liked Florida and he said he loved it but it’s hot here LOL. He has a wonderful smile and poor Sarah she was so hot the sweat was pouring off her. The Rally was out side and it was well over 90 and the sun was blazing.

  • Seattle Moss

    sf..
    Bottom line
    Obama will raise taxes on my corporation and myself..

    Forget it!!!

    This is a recession..Get a clue!!

    Obama means….GREAT DEPRESSION

  • Kal

    Clinton is. She led the way.

    BO is basically mumbling ‘what she said.’

  • SFhillary

    Yes, and there were other people making the same points before Hillary. Everyone needs to be making the same points and lending the same support. Only in PUMAland is the most important thing figuring out who gets the credit. For the rest of it, what is most important is the survival of our banking system.

    Secondarily, it is worth noting, again, that John McCain has said NOTHING of value about any of this. Still.

  • Eurogirl70

    All the people I’ve talked to and I’m a gregarious guy say that Obama blew it this week with his
    vote PRESENT response to AIG.

    Another “profiles in courage” moment brought to the American public by the Obama campaign!

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    yeah coming from this troll who ragged on clinton non stop, suddenly it wants to use clinton to bolster its claims.

    I puke in it’s general direction.

  • fif

    SFHillary never disappoints with her rude idiocy. Yea, Obama’s “advisor” (actually there are several), and his disproportionate campaign donations from Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, & Fannie & Freddie (2nd highest in donations behind only Dodd, the Banking Committee Chairman) has nothing to do with the mortgage meltdown. You really embarrass yourself.

    And Obama showed real “leadership” this week by saying, “Uh…no comment. I’m going to wait and see.” Then, when he did offer some specifics they were verbatim rip-offs from the comprehensive economic blueprint HRC came out with immediately. Take note: THAT is what leadership looks like. Not, “What she said.”

  • andySF

    Stop lying. I love Bill Clinton, but the current deregulation happen on his watch!!!(with the rep in the congress).

    It was McCain who wanted reform in 2005, not your Obama!

    Obama have no idea what his talking about and is out of his league.

    Also, his tax break for the middle class is BS. AMT anyone? They will hit middle class each and every time.

    We all knew that we can’t sit and wait on the bail out. Do you really think that the riches will have it worst than the average American when the great depression hit(if the financial market is allow to go under)?

    You don’t sound like a rich guy who have an understanding of the economic, or are you just having less than pure motives?

  • KC

    Yes, that’s key. Obama wants the “bitter clingers” to experience a depression. It’ll teach them a lesson. And that’s how he’ll sell his full-blown socialism. SF is a deluded obot.

  • sowsear

    How about those Obama records?

    This is priceless – why are the answers not available??????

    Columbo still scratching his head.
    Ah . . Sorry to bother you Mr. Obama, Sir

    Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean Senator Obama, sir. Um . . . know you are busy and important and stuff. I mean running for president is very important and . . . ah . . . I hate to bother you. I will only take a minute ok, sir?
    See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was wondering sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me out. You know, no big deal, just some loose ends and things.
    Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all the time and says boy she wishes she had digs like this you know? Is that painting real? Really? Wow. I saw something like that in a museum once!
    Oh, sorry sir. I didn’t mean to get off the track. So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will get right out of your way. I want to close this case and maybe take the wife to Coney Island or something.. Ever been to Coney Island ? No, I didn’t think so. .
    Well, listen, anyways, I can’t seem to get some information I need to wrap this up. These things seem to either be “locked” or “not available’. I’m sure it’s just some oversight or glitch or something, so if you could you tell me where these things are . . . I . . . I . . . have them written down here somewhere . . . oh wait. Sorry about the smears. It was raining out. I’ll just read it to you.
    Could you help me please find these things, sir?

    1. Occidental College records — Not released
    2. Columbia College records — Not released
    3. Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
    4. Harvard College records — Not released
    5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
    6. Medical records — Not released
    7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
    8. Law practice client list — Not released
    9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
    10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
    11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
    12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    13. Your Record of baptism– Not released or “not available”
    14. Your Illinois State Senate records–”not available”
    Oh hey .. listen! I know you are busy! Is this too much for you now? I mean tell you what. I will come back tomorrow. Give you some time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you are busy, so I will just let myself out. I will be back tomorrow.
    Who wants to know these things? asked Senator Obama.
    Columbo answered: THE PEOPLE

  • Charles Lemos

    This crisis is largely the mess of Fannie Mae, whose two past CEOs are on the Obama team.

    And please stop insulting others on this thread. It will not be tolerated.

  • imustprotest

    Yes he has you jerk. Do these lies flow out of your own head or are you getting your talking points via email or something. Enough lies SFU!

  • lark

    You are wrong on a number of things. Sen. Clinton speech is consistent with McCain’s proposals and totally at odds with Obama’s.

    McCain is wise in staying away from commenting on the negotiations since he is not part of them. Obama is playing with your job and the job of millions of American by commenting on negotiations that he is not part off. Obama is as reckless as any terrorist because the consequences of a mistake on his part can cause irreparable damage to the economy at this point.

    Obama needs to measure his comments or he can cause a catastrophe by pitting Dems against Reps like you are doing here and derailing the passage of the bill. Unless you prefer the total paralization of the financial system. Maybe you prefer that.

  • KC

    It’s fun to watcha smack-down dose obots!

  • Seattle Moss

    I heard you had to wait around for awhile.
    You know when you have a great nominee when folks are willing to fade the heat for three hours

    I read an article by the Mail(UK) that compares the popularity of Sarah Palin to Princess Diana.

  • andySF

    Home Run!!!

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    It’s being held for when you release the pregnancy suit. I keep telling you Daily Kos Trolls that.

    WHat part of that don’t you get?

    Deliver the pregnancy suit and i guarantee the WHitey tape drops before 5 pm the same day.

  • SFhillary

    That’s a legitimately impressive display of actual knowledge of this topic. Congratulations. Now please show me one piece of evidence that John McCain ever put his name to paper in support of a bill that would have mitigated the asset bubble in mortgage-based derivatives, because so far as I know, the Republicans have voted down every attempt to impose regulations on this industry of the past decade, including the one that Obama co-authored in 2006. Anyone who actually understands this crisis who nonetheless insists on trying to pin it on the Democratic Party should truly be ashamed of himself.

  • Andrew

    60 percent of Americans approve of Affirmative Action…being outlawed, maybe.

    Name one place where any form of it has been subjected to a vote of the electorate and passed.

  • imustprotest

    Wow Tampa! Did Sarah really say that PUMAS “rocked”? That is so cool!

  • tampagurl

    He got the memo from Herr Obama the Fuhrer of the obot people that they are suppose to say nice things about Hillary now.

  • lark

    Wow, you are an impressive dude.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Don’t get mad.

    This punk is sitting in a basement in Gaza somewhere parroting bullshit talking points for the Obama Campaign.

    In a few hours his computer troll shift will be over and he will move to the next vestibule and start bundling 2 50s, 4 20s and 3 5 dollar bills in palin unmarked envelopes for shipment oversease to Chicago to be bundled as donations from all across anonymous america.

  • Seattle Moss

    The democrats are able to elect presidents when foreign policy is not an issue
    The 90′s was a decade when history stopped.
    This election will still be about who can keep you safe in a dangerous world
    That means the Republicans win!!

    The democrats have proved they are the party of defeat!!

  • JM08

    SF Hillary -

    President Bush has a 28% approval rating.

    The media is in the tank for Obama beyond belief.

    The economy is in the middle of a crisis.

    Yet Obama still cant get out to a clear lead, even in polls that are being weighted in his favor.

    And you ask why ?

    Obama is BLACK.

    Obamas middle name is HUSSEIN.

    Obama will lose 100% GUARANTEED

    HE CANT WIN

    So SFHillary why dont you take your liberal ass back to daily kos, when you guys nominate another black guy for Palin to beat in 2012.

  • bayareavoter

    Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright–send your ideas to McCain–I love ‘em.

    Thank you Charles Lemos for a great round up of these editorials and articles. I thought the Globe and Mail and the NH Manchester Union Leader were spot on. Much appreciated!!

    I’m worried about 3 things:
    one. the polls and their accuracy. This NYT article today talks about how many people don’t have phone land lines anymore–the 18-34 year old demographic is cell phone only. So they are not polled. Are the polls accurate?

    http://tinyurl.com/3regxl

    two. Is the election board breaking the law for Obama? There’s the news about the election board in Virginia caving into pressure from the BO campaign to change the way they review college voter registration. An example is a student who pays out-of-state tuition, has a Georgia drivers license and whose parents claim her as a dependent in Georgia. Should she be allowed to vote in Virginia or should she vote absentee in Georgia? What if she votes in both states?

    http://tinyurl.com/3e5qr6

    And then there are the ACORN voter registrations being termed fraudulent in NM, MI and other states.

    You can bet that if this election is close Axelrod is not going to fold his tent like Kerry in 2004. They will fight for every dead person or double vote they’ve garnered.

    three. Did you watch the 60 Minutes interviews tonight with BO and JM? Obama filibusters so much with his long-winded answers that he was asked half as many questions as McCain. I think this is likely in the debates, too, and it worries me.

  • KC

    Stands up. Applauds.
    Dat obot is now toast.

  • https://secure.johnmccain.com/Contribute/Contributef.aspx?guid=aa60f933-6b64-449a-80af-0a52994863dd Linda

    Truthteller was TRUTHFUL :)

    …Fire Marshall states 60,000 at Palin Florida Rally.

    September 21, 2008
    Palin’s Florida debut draws thousands

    Though the audience was one of the Palin’s largest to date, the actual size of the crowd was unclear. According Mike Tucker, the fire chief of The Villages who was made available to the press by the McCain campaign, 60,000 people crammed into the streets to see Palin speak.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/21/palins-florida-debut-draws-thousands/

  • KC

    Don’t confuse the obot with facts.

  • hadenough

    80% of Americans call themselves environmentlists.

    Sadly right in the middle of your myth busting you try to start new ones. No where in your link does it say “80% of Americans call themselves environmentlists.”

    Also “60% of Americans approve of Affirmative Action” is very suspect:
    CBS News Poll. Jan. 5-8, 2006.

    “What do you think should happen to affirmative action programs? Should they be ended now, should they be phased out over the next few years, or should affirmative action programs be continued for the foreseeable future?”

    12% Ended Now
    33% Phased Out
    36% Continued
    19% Unsure
    http://www.pollingreport.com/race.htm

    I guess you could argue 45% saying end AA now or phase it out and 36% saying continue AA means 60% of Americans support AA but that would be a tough sell. There is a ton of AA polling on the page. You should check it out.

  • andySF

    And what the true cost of the financial market melt down will be world wide? Why do you think that world leader around the globe are working together to deal with it?

    Would you rather 1 trillion or great depression for the next decade?

    As you said, You Are Fucking Clueless.

  • lark

    Yes, but it is because you don’t want to see that this Administration was elected to govern this country until Jan 19, 2009 and Obama and you want to usurp their agency and take over the government. In Nov 6 we will vote a new President, then if it is Obama, then he and you will be able to make whatever corrections and accommodations you like. Until then do not undermine our elected officials. Okay.

    You can criticize all you want, but if Obama is not at the negotiating table then stay out of it.

  • Seattle Moss

    I think Obama pleaded with his wimpy followers to get in the face of us bitter dead enders.

    I say… Bring it on!!!

  • tampagurl

    Yeah, we had to wait but it was all worth it when I managed to get to the spot where they had to pass coming and going. That’s why I was able to have a few words with them while they were signing autographs. She didn’t rush and signed everything from hats to scraps of paper. And yes she said PUMAs rock.

  • LIsabona

    Can somebody make SFHillary ti shut-up. You with your getto vocabulary embarase yourself.I don’t know who has to open their eyes.I voted for Hillary, I still respect her,but the country is more important then the party.I can’t understand how Hillary just abandoned her 18 million of supportert of hers and just pass them over to Obama. I always will say, that the presidency was stollen from her. One mistake does not justify to make the sacond one and give our country, our future, to somebody who is a charlatan.liar,opportunist,and who never move one single finger for those he should take care, from the time he was a Organizer, even it was his job to do so.Keep your insults for yourself and a false pretense that you are Hillary supporter.

  • imustprotest

    She’s coming here to California and I’m going to try to go see her too! You were so lucky (and smart) to be in the perfect spot to actually meet her and talk to her, especially with the huge crowd there, way to go!

  • Seattle Moss

    Americans are sick and tired of unqualified affirmative action candidates.
    Hillary was the best qualified by far.

    Now the Obs are running to her for help on the economy.

    Should have listened to those with wisdom!

    Now we are going to teach you a lesson obamabots!

    No thugs in the white house!!

  • John House

    LOL Globe and Mail, not too original with its headlines.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Actually its you who should be truly ashamed of yourself. You are a rotten liar.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/

    McCain spoke forcefully on May 25, 2006, on behalf of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 (via Beltway Snark):

    Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

    The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.

    The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.

    For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

    I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

    I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

    but then i am sure you think you are retyping the truth.

    Thats because they dont require you to actually learn anything about american history, or american finance in gaza troll HQ.

    You just repeat the daily talking points from camp obama.

    Listen i have no aversion to spirited discussion about the flaws and virtues of either candidate, but when an asstard like you comes along and spouts lies and half truths from that orofice you call a mouth in that over ripe melon you call a head, its time to call a pile of donkey shit what it is.

    NOw stop lecturing to us about how the great fear of where we are headed can only be solved by OBAMA if you dont even know what the hell you are talking about.

    There is not enough paper in his resume for me to whipe my ass on.

    Enough with the Pimpbama’s talking points.

    Country First!

    Cult of Personality on Late Night TV Hocking Hair Products.

  • Mandelay

    Thanks for this round-up. I just read the entire Manchester Union Leader editorial …. really surprising to see a mainstream newspaper lifting the curtain on the Wizard of Obama. Refreshing! Maybe even “hopeful”????

  • Howdy Larry

    Who need a whitey tape when we are always being called bitter white folk
    Who need a whitey tape when we’re being called white trash
    who needs a whitey tape when certain individuals are threatening black gang rape against Sarah
    Who needs a whitey tape when you have Phleger and Wright

    Maybe a whitey tape might help you racists!

    Larry Johnson promised s tape with Michelle Obama using the word, “whitey.” HE LIED.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    I should continue the article quoted above just to twist the damn knife in this obama trolls stinking corpse:

    In this speech, McCain managed to predict the entire collapse that has forced the government to eat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG. He hammers the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of whom have worked as advisers to Barack Obama this year. McCain also noted the power of their lobbying efforts to forestall oversight over their business practices. He finishes with the warning that proved all too prescient over the past few days and weeks.

    What was this bill? The act would have done the following:

    (1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.

    Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.

    It never made it out of committee. Chris Dodd, then the ranking member of the Banking Committee and now its chair, was in the middle of receiving preferential loan treatment from Countrywide Mortgage, one of the companies gaming the system in the credit crisis. Meanwhile, Barack Obama took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the lobbyists McCain mentions in this speech, making him the #2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money:

    HEATHER NAUERT: Barack Obama attacking John McCain once again on the economy and the market turmoil today. Our John Gibson has new information on the Democratic presidential nominee and the mortgage mess for us now. What have you got John?

    JOHN GIBSON: Alright Heather. Lehman Brothers’ collapse is traced back to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two big mortgage banks that got a federal bailout a few weeks ago. Freddie and Fannie used huge lobbying budgets and political contributions to keep regulators off their backs. A group called the center for responsive politics keeps track of which politicians get Fannie and Freddie political contributions. The top three U.S. Senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were democrats and number two is Senator Barack Obama.

    Now, remember, he has only been in the Senate four years but still managed to grab the number two spot ahead of John Kerry, decades in the senate, and Chris Dodd who is chairman of the senate banking committee. Fannie and Freddie have been creations of the congressional democrats and the Clinton white house, designed to make mortgages available to more people, and as it turned out, some people who couldn’t afford them. Fannie and Freddie have also been places for big Washington democrats to go to work in the semi-private sector and pocket millions. The Clinton administration’s white house budget director Franklin Raines ran Fannie and collected 50 million dollars. Jamie Gurilli, Clinton Justice Apartment Official, worked for Fannie and took home 26 million dollars. Big Democrat Jim Johnson, recently on Obama’s VP search committee has hauled in millions from his Fannie Mae C.E.O. job.

    Now remember, Obama’s ads and stump speeches attack McCain and republican policies for the current financial turmoil. It is demonstrably not Republican policy and worse, it appears the man attacking McCain, Senator Obama, was at the head of the line when the piggy’s lined up at the Fannie and Freddie trough for campaign bucks. Senator Barack Obama, number two on the Fannie/Freddie list of favored politicians after just four short years in the senate. Next time you see that ad, you might notice he fails to mention that part of the Fannie and Freddie problem. Heather.

    NAUERT: Wow, that’s quite a report, begs the question — where is John McCain on this?

    GIBSON: John McCain is a measly $20,000 after over 20 years so he really doesn’t even come close in the political contribution department.

    Open Secrets has the list of Congressmen who have benefited from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac largesse since 1989 (inclusive). Remarkably, after only serving less than four of those 20 years, Barack Obama has vaulted to the #2 position on Capitol Hill. Only Dodd outstripped him. He took more than six times the amount that McCain received in a 20-year period.

    The record shows that McCain saw the problem coming and tried to get Congress to act. In 2005, both McCain and Obama served together in the Senate. Did Obama attempt to pass this reform, sign on as a co-sponsor, or even speak out in its favor? The record is tellingly blank.

    Update: Below is a screen shot of Barack Obama’s statement on the American International Group (AIG) bailout:

    Oh Christ people DO YOURSLEVES A FAVOR

    Go read the whole damn thing!

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/

  • Seattle Moss

    Reminds me of Obama’s actions on Iraq. Making policy before he even met With Petraeus
    Of course Obama was secretly begging to keep troops in Iraq until after the election..
    What do they call that..
    Oh yeah..Treason!!

  • KC

    Man, you are GOOD.

  • McHope

    It wasn’t concerned when Obama day after day released a non statement statement. His having no understanding or plan for this crisis inspired much confidence in SF.
    What a moron. And now it speaks because Dunham has finally copied Hillary’s and/or McCain’s plan once again.
    So sad.

  • KC

    Obama said he could never disown his own pastor and mentor. HE LIED.

  • imustprotest

    You’re right Jeremiah (not “Wright”), I shouldn’t get mad at this punk. Maybe seeing that video of Hillary speaking on the Senate floor about this crisis today and realizing again what we have lost because of jerks like SF and other cultists made me a little more irritable, sorry.

  • lark

    The Republicans per se IMO are not responsible, but Bush and his administration is very much as responsible as the Democrats are. They both wanted to enjoy, specially Bush from the GDP growth that the subprime mortgages were bringing plus the image of a great President presiding over a great expansion of home ownership. He wanted that sooooooo much. Now, lucky for us, he’s got to deal with it.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Larry confirmed the Republicans claim to hae such a tape.

    If i were you i would site very close to the TIVO with your finger on the record button.

    With only around 7 weeks left before election day there is no telling when it might drop and it could be this very moment.

    I am sure the media will cover it with as much interest as they covered the who is trigs real mother story that came from your shit site Daily kos.

  • Seattle Moss

    “Democrats wanted to make every person a viable homeowner.”

    and now the democrats want to bailout all the homeowners and speculators plus some foreign banks and institutions.
    Why should I keep paying my mortgage if the government is going to bail everyone out??

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    YOu should keep paying it at least until they sign it into law.

    You never know what fast ones the democrats might pull.

  • OBushMA!

    The Dems are working hard to spread this distorted idea that Palin is not qualified to be vp. LOL Oh dear, what next, they will say she wasn’t qualified to be Governor, either, I suppose. All the while, they turn a blind eye to BO’s lack of well, anything that a Presidential candidate should have on his/her resume.

    Vote for Palin here, thanks:
    http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registry/poll/poll.pl

  • McHope

    How many times do we have to tell you the saying is bOld faced lies? Bold, not bald.
    As in,
    When Obama speaks, he tells nothing but BOLD faced lies.

  • imustprotest

    or in other words Jeremiah…..don’t count your chickens before they come home to roost.

  • Kelvin Hearts PUMAs

    SFHillary, Larry Johnson has mind-raped these poor PUMAs to the point that logic and reasoning serve no real purpose here. You approach them with logic and fact and you receive childish tantrums in return. There’s 44 days left until the election. Maybe they will awake from their hatred induced stupor in time to see that McCain/Palin is just not what America needs right now.

  • OBushMA!
  • McHope

    Awesome. :)
    What a humorous ad for a 527.

  • Kelvin Hearts PUMAs

    You guys still believe that tape exists, huh? How does it feel to be Larry’s trained monkeys?

  • Kelvin Hearts PUMAs

    I’m going to bed. Good night now.

  • Andrew

    Crap-bama doesn’t understand the stock market yet makes fun of McCain. Oopsy!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjaoJuAYnaI

  • JM08

    Hey Kelvin is Obama still black ? Is his middle name still Hussein ? Republicans dont need PUMAS, there is quite enough white democrats who are not PUMAS who will not vote for a black man.

    Have a nice night kelvin.

  • Seattle Moss

    I don’t like anyone talking like that!!

    Makes me want to shake the answer out of them

  • Seattle Moss

    Don’t let the bed bugs get you Kelvin.

    You can leave the light on tonight if your scared
    same for you sf.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Please for the love of God will you people actually get your facts straight before you blame Bush! I hate the man as much as the next democrat but for goodness sake learn the facts!!!

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/whose-policies-led-to-the-credit-crisis/

    It was the Bush administration that wanted to rein in the madness in the credit markets, and the Democrats who wanted to extend the Clinton policies that created the crisis we have now. After the fit hit the shan, as Michelle says, these same Democrats want to shift blame back to the administration that wanted to increase oversight and curtail risk in lending practices while reducing patronage at the giant GSEs.

    The Bush administration isn’t blameless in letting this get out of hand, but clearly the origins of the disaster and the efforts to keep bad policies in place fall on the Democrats in this case.

    query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
    September 11, 2003
    New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
    By STEPHEN LABATON


    The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

    Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

    The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

    The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

    ”There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,” Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.

    Mr. Snow said that Congress should eliminate the power of the president to appoint directors to the companies, a sign that the administration is less concerned about the perks of patronage than it is about the potential political problems associated with any new difficulties arising at the companies.

    The administration’s proposal, which was endorsed in large part today by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would not repeal the significant government subsidies granted to the two companies. And it does not alter the implicit guarantee that Washington will bail the companies out if they run into financial difficulty; that perception enables them to issue debt at significantly lower rates than their competitors. Nor would it remove the companies’ exemptions from taxes and antifraud provisions of federal securities laws.

    The proposal is the opening act in one of the biggest and most significant lobbying battles of the Congressional session.

    After the hearing, Representative Michael G. Oxley, chairman of the Financial Services Committee, and Senator Richard Shelby, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, announced their intention to draft legislation based on the administration’s proposal. Industry executives said Congress could complete action on legislation before leaving for recess in the fall.

    ”The current regulator does not have the tools, or the mandate, to adequately regulate these enterprises,” Mr. Oxley said at the hearing. ”We have seen in recent months that mismanagement and questionable accounting practices went largely unnoticed by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight,” the independent agency that now regulates the companies.

    ”These irregularities, which have been going on for several years, should have been detected earlier by the regulator,” he added.

    The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which is part of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, was created by Congress in 1992 after the bailout of the savings and loan industry and concerns about regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which buy mortgages from lenders and repackage them as securities or hold them in their own portfolios.

    At the time, the companies and their allies beat back efforts for tougher oversight by the Treasury Department, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation or the Federal Reserve. Supporters of the companies said efforts to regulate the lenders tightly under those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. This year, however, the chances of passing legislation to tighten the oversight are better than in the past.

    Reflecting the changing political climate, both Fannie Mae and its leading rivals applauded the administration’s package. The support from Fannie Mae came after a round of discussions between it and the administration and assurances from the Treasury that it would not seek to change the company’s mission.

    After those assurances, Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae’s chief executive, endorsed the shift of regulatory oversight to the Treasury Department, as well as other elements of the plan.

    ”We welcome the administration’s approach outlined today,” Mr. Raines said. The company opposes some smaller elements of the package, like one that eliminates the authority of the president to appoint 5 of the company’s 18 board members.

    Company executives said that the company preferred having the president select some directors. The company is also likely to lobby against the efforts that give regulators too much authority to approve its products.

    Freddie Mac, whose accounting is under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission and a United States attorney in Virginia, issued a statement calling the administration plan a ”responsible proposal.”

    The stocks of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae fell while the prices of their bonds generally rose. Shares of Freddie Mac fell $2.04, or 3.7 percent, to $53.40, while Fannie Mae was down $1.62, or 2.4 percent, to $66.74. The price of a Fannie Mae bond due in March 2013 rose to 97.337 from 96.525.Its yield fell to 4.726 percent from 4.835 percent on Tuesday.

    Fannie Mae, which was previously known as the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie Mac, which was the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, have been criticized by rivals for exerting too much influence over their regulators.

    ”The regulator has not only been outmanned, it has been outlobbied,” said Representative Richard H. Baker, the Louisiana Republican who has proposed legislation similar to the administration proposal and who leads a subcommittee that oversees the companies. ”Being underfunded does not explain how a glowing report of Freddie’s operations was released only hours before the managerial upheaval that followed. This is not world-class regulatory work.”

    Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

    ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

    ”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.

  • athy

    SF Hillary-
    The bottom line is this.
    I D O N O T T R U S T ANYTHING THAT SEN OBAMA SAYS HE WILL DO.
    and if he comes up with legislation-look at the details. The devil is in the details.

    No matter who you support for president, read the EXCELLENT Analysis provided by Matt Gonzalez-Ralph Nader’s VP running mate.

    This is by far one of the best intellectual dissections of Sen Obama’s legislative record.

    It was published in feb 2008.

    http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html

    Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out ” by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08

    Look at Sen Obama’s track record. How many mortgage industry and former industry bigshots does he have working for him on his campaign?

    Use your common sense. What do you think people want in return from him IF he wins?

    http://www.barackbook.com/

    I dont care how sensible Sen Obama’s speechwriters’ & advisors’ plan is…look whose mouth the words are coming from-Sen Obama. Enough said.

    Dear Mr. Obama: Who Are You?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4

    PLEASE view this video. It contains facts, sources and proof about Sen Obama and Sen McCain’s roles in this mortgage crisis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

    http://www.youtube.com/v/AiEWCnpNnBQ&hl=en&fs=1

  • steel magnolia

    There you go again, Jeremiah – making too much sense! Don’t you know that’s useless for the OSmoke and Mirrors crowd?

    All OSmoke and Mirrors has to do is wave his shiny mirror and say “look over here” and the crowd gazes in awe and says in unison “Isn’t he amazing?”

    Then he puffs his magic smoke over there and says “look over there” and the crowd oohs and aahs and declares he made fire.

    I can’t take it anymore – LOL

  • athena

    IN the words of another poster last nite. I borrowed.

    SF Did you take out the trash? I asked you to take out the trash. You never do your chores. You never take out the trash. At least you could clean your room. We’re doing you a favor letting you have that basement all to yourself, mind you. Look at me when I talk to you. Don’t make faces at me. Don’t make those faces at your mother. You think it’s a picnic living with your father? Well, do you? Night after night, submitting to his filthy and perverted demands. Clean this. Alphabetize that. Bend over. Aww, who cares? Not you, obviously. You get a free ride. You’ve got a nice basement all to yourself. What do you do down there all day anyway? Well? Answer me! Don’t you ever turn off that damned computer? I worry about you, son. You don’t have any friends. All you do all day is type on that computer. All day. Don’t you have any real friends? Why don’t you have a girlfriend? You’re not, uh, you know, are you son? You can tell us. It’s all right. We’ll understand. Well, I’ll understand. Your father will throw a fit. He’ll probably have a heart attack. Or a stroke. Or pop a hemorrhoid. More hemorrhoids. Maybe he’ll even throw you out of the house. Serve you right. Youngun’s got no respect. Mother of Mary. No respect

  • anon

    Paulson’s rhetoric is fear-mongering. Only the financial sector is in trouble. The VAST majority of companies traded on the stock exchanges are not involved in this sub-prime mortgage mess. Kill the bailout and don’t panic. Don’t sell stocks or withdraw funds. Don’t try to sell your house. Knuckle down and ride it out. Only the thieves will go down.

  • steel magnolia

    Yep – he’s got the Obama talking points down pat. He’s getting in your face just like the campaign asked him to this week – whooooooo, so scary. That kind of attitude really changes people’s minds. With those kinds of supporters, I dig in my heels and send McCain some more money!

  • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

    An homage to you sir on my blog.

    AWESOMENESS should not be contained nor restrained.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    this blog inspires for awesomesauce, i can’t take full credit.

  • athy

    SFHillary,

    “McCain tried to do something about Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005.

    What happened? Chris Dodd, who received the most political contributions from the two quasi-governmental mortgage buyers, kept McCain’s reform bill from getting out of committee.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/17/mccains-attempt-to-fix-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2005/

    McCain’s attempt to fix Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac in 2005; Update: Obama can’t get AIG right
    posted at 11:45 am on September 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

  • Jackie

    Honestly while many of us “agree” with progressive ideas–we don’t vote that way.

  • Jay

    Breaking News: It appears Obama’s Campaign Manager was involved in an anti palin smear campaign…..

  • athy

    JGDAW-
    Thank you!

  • Jackie

    Yeah did you know that he and 2 buddies built (I mean really with hammers and such) the Palin home in Wasilla on lake Lucille?

    Talk about real Americans

  • Jackie

    No! Take a look at what Suze Orman said. The “bail out of AIG” was the best business deal for the taxpayers. It helps to maintain economic stability and saved about 90thousand jobs. In addition the US taxpayer stands to make money on this deal when the “bad” mortgages are sold. THese are real houses guys. Real property we didn’t just dump money into a hole.

  • jon

    when you “break news” you should provide a link

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    I just spoke with Miss Cleo…she predicted you shall soon be banned again.

  • Seattle Moss

    I was kidding about my own position. I don’t believe we should be bailing out everyone especially speculators who didn’t have the prudence to make good judgement decisions and then have me holding the bag for their mistakes.

  • vinnie

    is the pregnancy suit the one that will reveal that John Edwards is the daddy?

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Just a Thought on coal.

    Interesting observations by an utter fool:

    “The Molly Maguires were a mostly Irish Catholic secret organization in the post Civil War era in the anthracite coal region of the United States that stretches from western New York down to Alabama. Barbara Freese, an Assistant Attorney General in Minnesota, wrote a book called Coal, A Human History. In it, she describes the Molly Maguires as “coal mining terrorists who for many years advanced their interests in the anthracite region through arson, beatings, and the systematic murder of coal bosses and others who stood in their way.” In a bloody five-month long strike in 1875, the Molly Maguires derailed trains, sabotaged machinery and burned down mine buildings. Their violence actually set back the process of union building in the early period of American industrialization. Someone may want to point this out to ol’ smokin’ Joe.”

    And Charles, I can only assume that the bottom half is your editorializing idiocy, as you make the “facts” fit your point of view.

    As the Church Lady might say, how convenient.

    I never knew there was any Anthracite coal in western PA; NY;or Alabama. Thought it was in NE PA around Scranton, Wilkes Barre, Hazelton, and Nanticoke.
    Hopefully an enterprising mining engineer will make a fortune discovering these fabulous reserves in NY, western PA and Alabama.

    With respect to the Mollies, I doubt that Biden’s great-grandfather, the mining engineer, was with the Mollies. He was with the company; and I’m sure the miners down in SW VA had a little chuckle under their breaths.

    That said, the Mollies were as popular with miners as the Pinkertons were with management.

    Then in the 20th century, there was the strike against the Rockefeller-owned Colorado Fuel and Iron in Ludlow Colorado, in 1914. There were some casualties (Wiki Ludlow Massacre).

    Then in 1921 there was the Battle of Blair Mountain in Logan County, WV, when the miners tried to unionize the southern WVA fields. This was said to have been the largest armed uprising in the US since the Civil War.And there were casualties(Wiki The Battle of Blair Mountain).

    All these incidents advanced the cause of the United Mine Workers of America, and are suitably remembered
    by miners.

  • athy

    SFHillary-
    Read these too if you want to know what Sen Obama was doing about the mortgage industry’s ticking time bomb before the meltdown.

    People were warning him-he ignored warnings.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser

    The Nation, “Subprime Obama” by Max Fraser 1/24/08 Post 2/11/08 issue

    “Obama’s disappointing foreclosure plan stems from the centrist politics of his three chief economic advisers and his campaign’s ties to Wall Street institutions opposed to increased financial regulation”, according to the article.

    More examples of how Sen Obama has SABATOGED efforts to help the middle class and working class people in this country.

    http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/03/i-am-barack-obama.html

    Mother Jones, “ I am Barack Obama” by Mark Winston Griffith 3/17/08

    “And on the question of a federal response to subprime lending abuses and foreclosure, an issue I’ve been passionate about since my days running a financial cooperative in Bedford-Stuyvesant, I’m convinced that extensive regulation and government intervention is the only way to curb predatory lending and prevent massive foreclosures. Obama, on the other hand, relies far more on the market correcting itself. Max Fraser recently wrote in The Nation that “As he has done on domestic issues like healthcare, job creation and energy policy, Obama is staking out a position to the right of not only populist Edwards but Clinton as well

  • NoBamaNoWay

    maybe it’s just the leftist obamacrat attitude they don’t like.

  • Carol

    I found this on Wikipedia about the One’s friend Barney Franks. That last I heard Barney was a Democrat.

    “Chair of the House Financial Services Committee

    As Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Frank “sits at the center of power”.[27] Thomas Mann, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, was quoted as saying, “He is one of the giants of Congress, a real legislator,” in his new role.[27]

    In 2003, Frank opposed Bush administration and Congressional Republican efforts for the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis.[28] Under the plan a new agency would have been created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac , the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry. “These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” Frank said. He added, “The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.” (emphasis mine).

  • Carol

    Uh, don’t swallow The One’s lie. John McCain’s SS plan suggested that young people could have an option of investing their money. He said those over 50 would remain in current system.

    We definitely do not need a taxpayer funded health insurance system either. I’m tired of the you people trying to bloat the federal government’s bureaucracy at the expense of taxpayer dollars. Oh, I forgot your annointed one is going to rob from the rich and give to the poor just like Robin Hood. Yeah that’s democracy at work.

  • athy

    Tampagurl-
    Thanks for link!

    Here are some more articles about Soros.

    The Soros Media “Empire” The Power of Philanthropy to Engineer Consent By Michael Barker
    http://www.swans.com/library/art14/barker02.html
    This first article connected all the dots for me on why the Soros name keeps popping up in this campaign.
    **************
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Organizations%20Funded%20Directly5.htm
    Lists organizations supported by Soros
    ***********************
    http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3614.shtml
    Soros’ double-dealing in the Caucasus oil market by Wayne Madsen
    Online Journal Contributing writer, 8/13/08
    ********************
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2002/09/13/cnwed113.xml
    Billionaire who broke the Bank of England
    By David Litterick
    Last Updated: 3:50pm BST 13/09/2002

  • Carol

    Obama plagiarized again?

  • athy

    Fred-
    Thanks for link!

  • athy

    McHope-
    I AGREE!

  • just me

    and as the light comes down you will see

    –@_@–

    “I am the one”

  • just me

    I thought the same myself the other day sarah Palin could be as popular Pricess Diana…

    who was more normal than a royal.

  • moi61537

    Wow, well said. Cramer wondered if this had been financial terrorism. Could that have been Obama’s brown shirts doing the short selling. This blog has been fantastic. I am a centrist and voted Democrat since McGovern. The viciousness towards Senator Clinton and the sexist disdain and crudeness (the finger gesture and the pig comment) were shocking. I never, ever expected to see that in any candidate for the Presidency. Its disgusting. Thanks again for a forum that provides details and, for the most part, learned, reasoned debate.

  • Snickers

    Give me a break, SF, tomorrow or the next day Barry will reverse himself. Maybe it will take a week to do it, but Mr. Flip Flop doesn’t stay with any position very long.

  • just me

    My hubby was in Wasilla last week he said the people are awesome, down to earth and call a spade a spade….

    if we cannot have Hillary
    The Palins are the ones we have been waiting for~~

  • just me

    I think they had to cancel some of her stops in CA imustprotest due to arrangement clashes?
    Orange county & Santa Clara, think they were the 2 places

    Hoping they will reschedule her rallies here

  • bethtopaz

    Here’s a good article to read that explains why Obama is so happy with the current financial mess and why he, no doubt, hopes and prays for things to get worse. From American Thinker, (Obama) Fully Invested In Your Misery:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/fully_invested_in_your_misery.html

  • athy

    SHOUTOUT TO ANYONE WHO CAN RESPOND OR FORWARD TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO CAN PROVIDE ANSWER…

    bayareavoter-
    you raise excellent points (all of them).

    With regards to your comment about Axelrod,
    I have no doubt that you have painted an accurate scenario of things to come.

    Also, the following thought just occurred to me.

    How well do we know each state’s electors?

    In USA, it is the ELECTORS who vote for the president of the USA-not the US voters.

    Whether or not the race was tight-what’s to stop Sen Obama’s campaign people from ‘influencing’ these electors to vote for Sen Obama for president-even if the majority of the popular votes go to McCain? Electors are supposed to vote according to popular vote however there is such a thing as an ‘Faithless Elector’ who can override the popular vote in his/her state and choose other candidate. It has happened in the past.

    Just look at what happened in the Democratic primary in states where Sen Clinton won the popular vote but delegates endorsed Sen Obama instead.

    Now you see why I am concerned?

    If this occurs in presidential election this fall, for the sake of peace and not to hurt the reputation of the US, the country may allow faithless electors to choose candidate that was not his/her state’s popular choice.

    “faithless elector is one who casts an electoral vote for someone other than whom they have pledged to elect, or who refuses to vote for any candidate. There are laws to punish faithless electors in 24 states. In 1952, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214 (1952). The Court ruled in favor of state laws requiring electors to pledge to vote for the winning candidate, as well as remove electors who refuse to pledge. As stated in the ruling, electors are acting as a functionary of the state, not the federal government. Therefore, states have the right to govern electors. The constitutionality of state laws punishing electors for actually casting a faithless vote, rather than refusing to pledge, has never been decided by the Supreme Court. While many states may only punish a faithless elector after-the-fact, some such as Michigan specify that his or her vote shall be cancelled.”

    This is an excerpt from wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_electoral_college

    Article continues:

    “As electoral slates are typically chosen by the political party or the party’s presidential nominee,

    ELECTORS USUALLY HAVE HIGH LOYALTY TO THE PARTY AND ITS CANDIDATE: A FAITHLESS ELECTOR RUNS A GREATER RISK OF PARTY CENSURE THAN CRIMINAL CHARGES…”

    Remember in primary how Ted Kennedy endorsed Sen Obama even though Sen Clinton won popular vote in Mass? (This is just one of several examples)

    He gave no explanation, no apology for his going against the popular vote of his state. If Kennedy can do this-and no one in the DNC raised a fuss- then if particular state goes to McCain-whats to stop a Republican party elector who may have been blackmailed or bribed (by Obama campaign or others)from voting for Obama? Especially in states with large # of electoral votes?

    For example, Texas has 34 electoral votes. The Republican party & the democratic party have each chosen 34 individuals representing their party-to serve as electors.

    Since Texas is a winner take all state, lets say Sen McCain wins Texas popular vote. That means that all 34 republican electors-which have been pledged to Sen McCain, get to cast 1 vote each for SenMcCain because McCain won the state’s popular vote.

    The 34 Democratic electors in Texas cast no vote because Republican candidate McCain won the state.

    HOWEVER, legally, any of those 34 REPUBLICAN ELECTORS CAN-for whatever reason-convert to a ‘faithless elector’ status AND can turn around and vote for Sen Obama instead.

    So -if I am understanding this correctly, Texas electors could vote as follows- 33 electoral votes for McCain and 1 electoral vote for Obama even though Texas, a winner take all state, voted for McCain so McCain should get all 34 electoral college votes.

    I raise this because Sen Obama and his campaign team have past reputation for overly aggressive and possibly illegal and unethical maneuvers when it comes to registering, casting, counting votes and eliminating competition from a race before the race starts.

    PURE speculation in my part here-but what is to stop one candidate from blackmailing or bribing the electors from opposition party to turn into faithless electors?

    After all-really-it is the electors who actually vote for the president of the USA-not the voters-

  • tampagurl

    Thanks athy, I’ll send those links out to everyone in my address book. I think it’s important for people to know about George Soros and his ties to Obama.

  • athy

    bethtopaz-
    good article-thanks for link.

    BTW Charles- thank you for collection and analyses of these articles in your post. Very informative!

    bethtopaz- here are some more links which support what the American Thinker article is saying…

    http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway

    http://infed.org/thinkers/alinsky.htm

    Saul Alinsky philosophy? Followed exactly or greatly altered?

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=10

    More about Alinsky approach..& Obama’s practice…

    http://tnr.com/talkback.html?id=2e0a7836-b897-4155-864c-25e791ff0f50

    What did Sen Obama accomplish? Was the approach wrong…or was Sen Obama just plain ineffective?

    http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4417&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=48

  • athy

    tampagurl
    you are welcome!

  • Sue

    I thought he really blew it too (for which I’m grateful!) but then you watch the pundits and all they could do was criticize McCain for making the statements he made. I was proud of his speech on Friday and thought it made some terrific points. I also agreed with his original comment (“The fundamentals of our economy are strong.”).

    I would much rather have someone in charge who steps out and takes action, than someone who sits back to see which way the wind is blowing.

  • roseeriter

    Exactly- media matters is an off shoot of moveon.org- totally in the tank for obambi. So They are BIASED!

  • BeyondWords

    Here is a great video for you Puma’s and Hill supporters out there.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VzHFahDR6U

    After following this site since the primaries began I can’t believe that fraud beat out a highly intelligent lady who’s spent most of her life caring for the american people in gov’t.Someone who actually worked hard to make americans lives better,who won hundreds of thousands more votes only to have them not matter in the end.

    I find it hilarious that Pampers finally ran out of hot air when asked about the financial meltdown matter, and days later mimics Hillary’s position. So glad she never became his VP.

  • roseeriter

    Exactly- the left wingers just like the right wingers DO NOT PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH! That’s why they are refered to as wingnuts!

    Everything in moderation=Centrist. Both Hillary and McCain are moderates.

  • Perry Logan

    Seems like right-wing drivel to me. All my life I’ve listened to conservatives pontificate about liberals, but they get it wrong every time.

  • McKatmoon

    You rock! Explanation worth repeating.

  • Perry Logan

    On the contrary, a taxpayer-finded healthcare system is exactly what we need, to catch up with the rest of the civilized world. And a growing majority of Americans want such a program.

  • Perry Logan

    You can tell the Whitey Tape story bugs the hell out of the Obots. :)

  • Eurogirl70

    Did you just call us all trained monkeys Kelvin?

    THAT’S RACIST!!!!!!!!!

  • Elle

    “Obamasoretoro took thousands and thousands of $$ from the corporate scum that caused this..” should be on a t-shirt. :-)

  • hootnannie

    Most Americans are definitely right of center. Bill Clinton was probably only elected the first time because Perot took some right-wing votes, and then Bill did move to the middle. The left is making mistake after mistake–putting down fundamentalist Christians, calling anti-same-sex-marriage voters homophobes, disrespecting women, etc. Either the Dems jettison this crowd, or the latter will destroy the party. The “progressives” call themselves that because “liberal” is anathema now to so many voters. What’es that tell ya? They are a tiny, vocal group–that’s all. And the “gay marriage” bill in CA? It’ll go down just like it has everywhere else. Bobo can’t send his minions into black churches–of all places!–and talk people out of voting against it. Doing so will cause some black folks to vote against HIM, which I suspect a lot of Hispanics will anyway. And the conservatives will be out in force to vote con on the matter, which will give more votes to the GOP. That, I believe, is why W won Ohio when the question was on our ballot.

  • Deep Truths

    Narrative? I got your narrative right here!

    Obama’s P. Pritzer scheduled to be TREASURY SECRETARY if Obama’s elected.

    Scary, scary thought.

    Even scarier – the MSM pillow-fluffers somehow ignore her involvement in the current meltdown of Wall Street.

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