Comments on: Future President? http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: EllenD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399437 EllenD Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:35:27 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399437  <strong>Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, a community leader, were blindsided by the revelations about Sharif,</strong> Pot - meet kettle.  Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, a community leader, were blindsided by the revelations about Sharif,

Pot – meet kettle.

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399431 Noogan Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:29:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399431 The flimsiness of the Park51 Islamic center, even by the flimflam standards of New York real estate deals, has (reasonably) taken a back seat to the political and constitutional issues around the project. Still, as <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41238.html" rel="nofollow">Maggie and I wrote</a>, it's worth keeping an eye on the fact that this thing <b>seems very unlikely to be built</b> for the most mundane of reasons, and <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-30/sharif-el-gamal-and-the-ground-zero-mosque" rel="nofollow">Asra Nomani today has</a> some insight into the communal politics: After tracking Sharif's finances and talking to acquaintances about his rough-and-tumble business style, I now don't think the mosque will be built at the location staked out near ground zero. According to people familiar with the mosque project, <strong>Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, a community leader, were blindsided by the revelations about Sharif, making a partnership unlikely</strong>. Moreover, Sharif’s domineering personality troubles them because it doesn't fit into the slow, methodical and even boring work of building a nonprofit. I expect that Rauf and Khan will gracefully bow out of this project near ground zero, lead an interfaith community effort to build an Islamic center elsewhere and welcome Sharif and his family in the congregation with open arms. To me, that’s the best solution out of this political — and now PR — debacle. I'm also certain that somewhere in there the businessman in Sharif will see a profit. <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41238.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41238.html</a>More:<a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-30/sharif-el-gamal-and-the-ground-zero-mosque" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-30/sharif-el-gamal-and-the-ground-zero-mosque</a> The flimsiness of the Park51 Islamic center, even by the flimflam standards of New York real estate deals, has (reasonably) taken a back seat to the political and constitutional issues around the project.
Still, as Maggie and I wrote, it’s worth keeping an eye on the fact that this thing seems very unlikely to be built for the most mundane of reasons, and Asra Nomani today has some insight into the communal politics:
After tracking Sharif’s finances and talking to acquaintances about his rough-and-tumble business style, I now don’t think the mosque will be built at the location staked out near ground zero. According to people familiar with the mosque project, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, a community leader, were blindsided by the revelations about Sharif, making a partnership unlikely. Moreover, Sharif’s domineering personality troubles them because it doesn’t fit into the slow, methodical and even boring work of building a nonprofit.
I expect that Rauf and Khan will gracefully bow out of this project near ground zero, lead an interfaith community effort to build an Islamic center elsewhere and welcome Sharif and his family in the congregation with open arms. To me, that’s the best solution out of this political — and now PR — debacle. I’m also certain that somewhere in there the businessman in Sharif will see a profit.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41238.htmlMore:http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-30/sharif-el-gamal-and-the-ground-zero-mosque

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399430 Noogan Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:26:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399430 Nellie, I have to laugh at this comment. I don't even know why you posted it, since I didn't say anything about Muslims; the link I posted has nothing to do with Muslims or Sharia.  Most Muslims live here because they don't want to live under Sharia. If Louisiana has passed laws prohibiting Sharia, good for them. Oklahoma, too.  But, the problem in this country isn't Sharia; it's the fact that successive governments/political parties/and Presidents and Congresses, have eroded our Constitution.  You should be appalled by Sharia Law. I am too. But I'm appalled as well at people who think all Muslims want Sharia; it simply isn't true.  There are extremists in every religion, Nellie. To me, Evangelical Christians are pretty damn extreme. And, so are these Jewish Rabbis:  http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-leading-israeli-rabbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/ Conversely, there are moderate Muslims:     <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/30/new.york.islamic.center.campaign/?hpt=T2#fbid=iwitqlGpw3B&wom=false" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/30/new.york.islamic.center.campaign/?hpt=T2#fbid=iwitqlGpw3B&wom=false</a> Nellie, I have to laugh at this comment. I don’t even know why you posted it, since I didn’t say anything about Muslims; the link I posted has nothing to do with Muslims or Sharia. 

Most Muslims live here because they don’t want to live under Sharia. If Louisiana has passed laws prohibiting Sharia, good for them. Oklahoma, too. 

But, the problem in this country isn’t Sharia; it’s the fact that successive governments/political parties/and Presidents and Congresses, have eroded our Constitution. 

You should be appalled by Sharia Law. I am too. But I’m appalled as well at people who think all Muslims want Sharia; it simply isn’t true. 

There are extremists in every religion, Nellie. To me, Evangelical Christians are pretty damn extreme. And, so are these Jewish Rabbis: 

http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-leading-israeli-rabbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/

Conversely, there are moderate Muslims:  
 
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/30/new.york.islamic.center.campaign/?hpt=T2#fbid=iwitqlGpw3B&wom=false

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399426 Noogan Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:19:01 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399426 Apparently, you can't read. The article is written by Max Blumenthal.  http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-leading-israeli-rabbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/ Apparently, you can’t read. The article is written by Max Blumenthal. 

http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/how-to-kill-goyim-and-influence-people-leading-israeli-rabbis-defend-manual-for-for-killing-non-jews/

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399423 Noogan Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:15:30 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399423 Too clever by half, Onofre's Arm. Sadly, for you, this came from Jewish media, and the only "village idiots" in the story are the Rabbis.  Too clever by half, Onofre’s Arm. Sadly, for you, this came from Jewish media, and the only “village idiots” in the story are the Rabbis. 

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399419 Noogan Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:11:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399419 LOL!  Oh, EllenD. Do you not even know about Evangelical Christians? Because I happen to know most of them say the very same thing!  ALL religion is shame-based. The CATHOLIC RELIGION IS NOTORIOUSLY SO. Get a grip.  LOL! 

Oh, EllenD. Do you not even know about Evangelical Christians? Because I happen to know most of them say the very same thing! 

ALL religion is shame-based. The CATHOLIC RELIGION IS NOTORIOUSLY SO.

Get a grip. 

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399415 Noogan Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:08:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399415 What is the reason for your comment, Nellie. You clearly didn't even read the link I posted, or you'd know I didn't say anything about Muslims. The link I posted was to something else. I've never supported Sharia; but I know that Sharia should not be conflated with every Muslim, too. Blanket presumptions about an entire religion are irrational stereotyping.  Do you love the violence of Christianity and Judaism, Nellie? Just asking, because the Old Testament is full of it. Some Jewish tracts which have recently been the source of an uproar in Israel advocate killing non-Jews and secular Jews. So, now, you've studied Sharia Law. Good for you. But now you've somehow concluded all Muslims want to impose it, over and above our own Constitution. Not gonna happen. Most Muslims live here because they <b>don't</b> want to live under Sharia!  You ought to be worried about the Constitution instead of "Sharia." Both political parties in this country are MORE of a danger to you than Muslims.  There are extremists in other religions. Here's a good example: <a href="http://www.alternet.org/world/148016/how_to_kill_goyim_and_influence_people%3A_israeli_rabbis_defend_book%27s_shocking_religious_defense_of_killing_non-jews_%28with_video%29?page=entire" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/world/148016/how_to_kill_goyim_and_influence_people%3A_israeli_rabbis_defend_book%27s_shocking_religious_defense_of_killing_non-jews_%28with_video%29?page=entire</a> There are moderate Muslims: <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/30/new.york.islamic.center.campaign/?hpt=T2#fbid=iwitqlGpw3B&wom=false" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/30/new.york.islamic.center.campaign/?hpt=T2#fbid=iwitqlGpw3B&wom=false</a> What is the reason for your comment, Nellie. You clearly didn’t even read the link I posted, or you’d know I didn’t say anything about Muslims. The link I posted was to something else. I’ve never supported Sharia; but I know that Sharia should not be conflated with every Muslim, too. Blanket presumptions about an entire religion are irrational stereotyping. 

Do you love the violence of Christianity and Judaism, Nellie? Just asking, because the Old Testament is full of it. Some Jewish tracts which have recently been the source of an uproar in Israel advocate killing non-Jews and secular Jews. So, now, you’ve studied Sharia Law. Good for you.

But now you’ve somehow concluded all Muslims want to impose it, over and above our own Constitution. Not gonna happen. Most Muslims live here because they don’t want to live under Sharia! 

You ought to be worried about the Constitution instead of “Sharia.” Both political parties in this country are MORE of a danger to you than Muslims. 

There are extremists in other religions. Here’s a good example:

http://www.alternet.org/world/148016/how_to_kill_goyim_and_influence_people%3A_israeli_rabbis_defend_book%27s_shocking_religious_defense_of_killing_non-jews_%28with_video%29?page=entire

There are moderate Muslims:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/30/new.york.islamic.center.campaign/?hpt=T2#fbid=iwitqlGpw3B&wom=false

]]> By: Concerned http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399382 Concerned Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:13:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399382 America...the modern Rome. America…the modern Rome.

]]> By: felizarte http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399333 felizarte Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:16:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399333 Sanchez forgot to add: "mongrel" Sanchez forgot to add: “mongrel”

]]> By: EllenD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399302 EllenD Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:19:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399302 <b>Muslims have a "shame" based culture, </b> The other day a young male Muslim friend came to ask me about social drinking. (I don't know - does coming from a Celtic background qualify you as a booze expert?) Anyway, he said that he enjoyed going out  and drinking small amounts socially with friends but if his family found out it would bring great dishonor to his family. So you're dead on there, OA. Muslims have a “shame” based culture,
The other day a young male Muslim friend came to ask me about social drinking. (I don’t know – does coming from a Celtic background qualify you as a booze expert?)
Anyway, he said that he enjoyed going out  and drinking small amounts socially with friends but if his family found out it would bring great dishonor to his family.
So you’re dead on there, OA.

]]> By: Mr. Natural http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399263 Mr. Natural Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:33:32 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399263 Most of the American body politic thinks, <b>"ethics,"</b> is a county in Massachusetts. Most of the American body politic thinks, “ethics,” is a county in Massachusetts.

]]> By: andyp http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399225 andyp Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:21:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399225 Keep up the good work, Eastan. Keep up the good work, Eastan.

]]> By: ~~JustMe~~ http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399220 ~~JustMe~~ Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:46:46 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399220 <a href="http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/home/18-headline-item/518-shariah-compliant-finance-jihad-with-money" rel="nofollow"><b>Shariah compliant</b> </a> This may help! Shariah compliant 
This may help!

]]> By: EllenD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399214 EllenD Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:15:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399214 <b>Shariah compliant</b> Could someone tell me what this entails? Shariah compliant
Could someone tell me what this entails?

]]> By: EllenD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49612/future-president/#comment-1399212 EllenD Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:01:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49612#comment-1399212 Doesn't sound like the Muslims have a "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" philosophy. So much for Obama's claim Doesn’t sound like the Muslims have a “do unto others as you would have them do unto you” philosophy. So much for Obama’s claim

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