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Pet Peeve Open Thread [Update at end]

There’s almost nothing that makes a writer more peeved, and frankly insulted, than to find the first comments below one’s writing to be completely irrelevant to the content of the writer’s story.

The writers for this blog work hard on researching and writing a story in a way that communicates their thoughts and findings accurately. I fully understand how exciting it is to find a new story and want to share it with everyone immediately. But the best ways to honor the writer’s current post, yet to get your hot info up, are:

1) find a related post under which to add a comment. E.g., if you have info on Penny Pritzker, put it in Truthteller’s exceptional investigative report on Pritzker, which from the number of comments it appears not NEARLY ENOUGH people read and digested. I cannot emphasize enough how important Truthteller’s findings are — in my humble opinion, they’re more critical than the earlier stories about Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines/Fannie Mae/Obama receipt of lobbying funds. Thankfully, the first comments to Truthteller’s post are on subject, but some people were posting about Obama’s brother in Kenya and other assorted subjects irrelevant to the post.

2) shoot me an e-mail (susanunpc at gmail dot com) and request an open thread, like this one, where you can post whatever hot topic you wish to share with others.

I’m trying not to be “fussy” about this, but ALL of you readers are the most critical parts of our team! We want to read what YOUR thoughts are — even more than we want to read our own writings. We just want the proper venues to be used to the expression of your ideas.

THE MORE YOU HELP US, THE BETTER and FASTER WE CAN GET YOUR IDEAS OUT THERE!

P.S. If you have a truly hot idea and/or information, try to send it in a mode where I can just copy and paste your information into a post, and click “Publish.” It’s hard if you send us lots of links, or some generalized ideas with no quotes and links to back up your ideas. Help us by giving us organized thoughts and sourced links/quotes so we can easily convert your great info into a quickly-written post. Thanks a lot!

P.P.S. Do re-read Truthteller’s superb report, loaded with well-sourced facts, on Penny Pritzker’s critical role in Barack Obama’s political journey, for a long time, as well as her highly dubious associations with the origins of the subprime mortgage scam that has shaken this nation’s economy to its foundations.

It’s pretty damn repugnant that Barack Obama is so close to the woman who was a key originator of the subprime scheme as well as a contributor to the demise of a major Chicago bank.

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And, now: HERE IS YOUR WIDE-OPEN OPEN THREAD! Talk about whatever is on your mind!

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UPDATE: All readers, please feel free to speak up when you spot a comment that’s irrelevant to the current topic. Ask the person to post it in a more relevant thread, or to e-mail me. Thanks so much!

After all, it’s mostly you readers who alert me whenever there are nasty, lewd or racist comments. Without your taking the time to let me know, we’d miss half the nasty comments that get posted here. Thank you very, very much.

  • http://americanpumainitaly.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Great post. :O)

    I read all the posts on here, and more often then not, I don’t comment. Mostly because I have nothing to add, because the posts are so great!

    • Morgan

      I comment occasionally, and here’s my perspective.

      Unfortunately, especially with people that disagree with you, your instructions will not be followed. Managing the threads would be too much even for a dozen people.

      Potentially, maybe a sort of group rating system could help to vote down worthless threads. Currently to get a message to the top, people (like me) respond to the first message so I am ‘locked in’ at the top.

      I think it’s just the way it goes, but we can all try our best to help.

      • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease” Opampers

        Potentially, maybe a sort of group rating system could help to vote down worthless threads.

        The trolls would abuse such a system.

    • Leisa

      I think open threads are a great idea. I do not mind free association dialogs if they are intelligent.

      It does get annoying when topics are hijacked by trolls or people spam comments.

      There are some trolls that are flat out entertaining though, especially the “intelligent and evolved ones”. I get some real laughs when some of our best commenters go after them.

      At any rate, many comments that are off topic do bring in good information or entertainment for us. I think open threads would be a valuable for NQ.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      I’m sorry, but Susan, I think you were heavy-handed today with people who posted off-topic. I would rather have people post off-topic things that are pro-PUMA and of interest to me than wade through all the trolls you allow here.

      Not everyone reads every post here. The latest post is simply the most active discussion. I don’t mind if something off-topic but hot off the press is at the top of the comments.

      As a writer you need to stop taking it personally and let the community have its say.

    • jrterrier

      SusanUnPC, don’t get upset. Sometimes a story triggers a different thought that the point made in the story and we post about it. But it doesn’t mean that we disrespect the point of the story. To the contrary, it makes us think.

      Thanks for your work.

  • JohninCA

    I would love to see this coalition seriously consider some sort of Big Media boycott, to the extent feasible of course.

    Thanks for the open thread.

    • J.J.

      The boycott should be directed at NBC, for bringing us MSNBC and that horrible Saturday Night Live skit that suggested incest in the Palin family.

      • tek

        I did not see that because I can’t stomach SNL anymore. How repugnant. Really, I wish entertainers would not push their biases in their work.

      • SuzanneG

        Ah, but you missed the wicked point of that SNL skit–they were making fun of the elitist journalists who are so contemptuous of the Palins. Unfortunately, the SNL site doesn’t include that skit among its videos–it was great. The incest remark came from an ignoramus who said, essentially, “It’s backwoods Alaska, there’s gotta be incest, right?” Other journos couldn’t identify a snow machine or a shotgun, or wouldn’t agree to be posted there because there was no Thai takeout and only one psychotherapist in the whole state. Last week, they had an “Alaska Man” during the news who, among other things, told the media to quit dissing people for living their values. SNL is one of the few places we can hear the MSM get called on its egregious biases. Yeah, the SNL writers clearly prefer the O-hole, but they still get in some satisfying digs at the deserving.

    • Leisa

      I have already canceled all of my biased magazines and newspaper subscriptions… so no more of my money supports those outlets ( I did this when I noticed this bias during the primaries).

      Everything I read and watch I do not take a face value anymore. I think that a letter campaign when the bias is bad, like the View and Charlie Gibson, KO, Mathews, Cafferty, Maddow, all of those regurgitators of Obama talking points.

      There are times when I feel as if we need to file a class action malpractice suit against the media that is failing to report the news accurately and honestly.

      We expect the National Enquirer to be ridiculous, not the old stalwarts of the 4th estate. It is so blatantly bad that many reputations have been tarnished by their propping up Obama. These “reporters and pundits” are so high on kool aide that they do not even realize what they have lost yet.

      • lusitania

        Yes, I agree about not taking anything a t its face value anymore. For example, I have personally seen the media grossely overestimate the number of Obama supporters attending his events. The lastest of these was after Barry’s appearance in Charlotte, NC yesterday. the first news station reported that “hundreds op people flocked to uptown Charlotte” and that he (BO)”addressed a large crowd”. The next tv station said that the Obama campaign reported that 20,000 people entered the gates to see him and another 10,000 crowded the streets outside the gate. The third tv station just out and out said that there were 20,000 people there. And BTW, they also said that Obama has recently spent over $370,000. with local Charlotte tv stations to buy airtime for campaign ads.

        I was in uptown Charlotte at 1:30 pm yesterday, and there was no traffic, no hoards of people at the light rail stations. Did these 30,000 people just evaporate after his speech? I know he is being touted as “THE ONE”,and the “MESSIAH”, but is he a magician too, conjuring up tens of thousands of supporters at will?

        And another thing, with the economy considered the electorates #1 topic of concern, I would not be thinking too much about putting Obama in charge of any body’s (taxpayers)money. Judging by this, HE and his management (campaign) CAN’T EVEN COUNT!!!!

      • lusitania

        Yes, I agree about not taking anything at its face value anymore. For example, I have personally seen the media grossely overestimate the number of Obama supporters attending his events. The lastest of these was after Barry’s appearance in Charlotte, NC yesterday. the first news station reported that “hundreds op people flocked to uptown Charlotte” and that he (BO)”addressed a large crowd”. The next tv station said that the Obama campaign reported that 20,000 people entered the gates to see him and another 10,000 crowded the streets outside the gate. The third tv station just out and out said that there were 20,000 people there. And BTW, they also said that Obama has recently spent over $370,000. with local Charlotte tv stations to buy airtime for campaign ads.

        I was in uptown Charlotte at 1:30 pm yesterday, and there was no traffic, no hoards of people at the light rail stations. Did these 30,000 people just evaporate after his speech? I know he is being touted as “THE ONE”,and the “MESSIAH”, but is he a magician too, conjuring up tens of thousands of supporters at will?

        And another thing, with the economy considered the electorates #1 topic of concern, I would not be thinking too much about putting Obama in charge of any body’s (taxpayers)money. Judging by this, HE and his management (campaign) CAN’T EVEN COUNT!!!!

    • Astra14

      I haven’t gotten newspapers since Bush got in a second term. The Obama-loving media has already driven me away from watching tv “news.” So, my boycott is already well on it’s way.

    • tillthen

      You could start your big media boycott by boycotting GENERAL ELECTRIC. They own NBC.

      • NoTrollZone

        That’s the Ayers’ GE, ya know.
        Billy’s daddy was exec. Other Obambi associates tied in as well.

        • Patrick Walker

          No, Ayers the Elder was an executive in ConEd, not GE.

    • Postmaster

      same here johninca, I’d like to see a petition protesting the biased reporting of NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNN……something we could all sign, that would be sent to these networks and their sponsors. I have never seen such bias in my life. These networks no longer have any credibiity imo.

  • McKatmoon

    Keeping an open thread like this, folks can be directed to, may help the articles receive more critical dialog, with less off topic.
    thanks

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      You’re right. And we should do open threads every day. That’s my fault — I plain forget half the time. I’ll try to remember to do it regularly.

      • Dawnelle

        I believe I suggested that a couple times. Once a few threads ago even. Glad to see it! It should help. ;-)

      • athena

        I read the articles and every comment and quite frankly I love it when unrelated posts are included if it is breaking news or a new article related to something that maybe I had not seen before. Once I have read an article and read the posts I rarely go back to then see any NEW posts with information posted relevant only to that article. It moves so quick here sometimes I do not have the time to keep going back to previous articles.

        • athena

          Ok – now I have lost my interest to continue to read here and participate. Have fun. Maybe I will come back later, maybe not. I guess I thought this whole topic was – petty. Too much like Obama…..the writer not getting enough attention to the article.

          The articles here are usually so great. This was just obamaesque.

          • Kara

            lighten up…this election has everyone a little to quick with the trigger finger. she’s just asking for a little respect for all the hard work invested here. she didn’t come out with greek columns or anything. easy.

          • DaddysDarlin

            I agree, I read the articles everyday and sometimes have something to say that isnt right on topic, but I figure its ok.

  • bemused

    Yes, I can empathize with you for writing and then seemingly people aren’t paying attention to you. I’ve been in that situation, say, at a Board meeting where I had slaved hours for a report and all anyone could talk about was pigeon poop on the roof, or something. But, you the writer are focused on something and the readers have their own focus. Sometimes they go on tangents which are not bad at all, they round out the original story. My pet peeve is people spamming their pet peeves on every thread. Often they are very good links, but they don’t need to come up over and over unless they actually relate to the topic of discussion. My suggestion would be a special thread where people could put a certain number of links to sites they felt were crucial, leave those posts there, and zap them if they get into other threads. I would never zap the OT humorous lines that get started though, as that would be to cut out some of the “conversational” quality.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    You know I’m totally guilty. I posted a bit on the astroturfing of Palin first thing on the Bernhard thread.

    I didn’t know how else to make sure it got the attention it deserved.

    OTOH. I’m not so fussy on my blog about OT stuff.

    I think the answer is more open threads every day. And the assurance that some one will read every comment for good stuff.

    Simon

    • tek

      You’re forgiven. Bernhard is too disgusting to discuss.

    • Mr. Natural

      I thought I’d heard it all, but “astroturfing” was a new one. So thanks.

  • WynterSkye

    Let us all now find inspiration in the soaring rhetoric of The One…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F-PMY72luY

    • tek

      Man, I hope he does that during the debate!

      • Judy L. NC

        Aw, that’s just his Porky Pig impression.

  • Maverick

    This has been going on all summer. The first post has nothing to do with the thread. Sure it fizzles and morphs into something else way on down the thread but the beginning posts are almost always irrelevant or a troll post. In order to comment on the thread I have to scroll all the way to the end and by that time it doesn’t even apply anymore.

  • Shiloh

    A problem, IMO, with the way NQ is organized is once an article is no longer at the top it will no longer receive comments. Why, in addition to article comment threads, can’t there be an ongoing forum perhaps divided into several sections? People who read here want connectivity, they want to talk to each other. That’s what the internet is for. If you don’t give them that they will continue to just use the comment thread on the top article.

    • HC

      I agree that the formatting, while very clean looking and pleasant, makes it hard to find anything beyond the most recent articles.

      There is a lot of great stuff here that shouldn’t get buried over time.

      Any thought to changing the format slightly given the rate of new topics right now?

  • Paul3triple

    wow, so you write a whole article on my post. after i had apologized. For doing something almost every poster on here does.
    You act like i spoke bad of your wrtiting.
    this place is just to much sometimes.
    as for research and writing, you printed his speech and gave your opinion of it. I know you do research for your articles before you drill me for that sentence but the article in question you wrote was a simple opinion piece with macs speech below.

    you can only be insulted if you let yourself be insulted.
    Again, it is laughable because almost everyone who posts here goes off-topic.
    But do not let it be the first comment i guess.

    • LookingForwardTo2012

      Paul3triple, I don’t think you did anything wrong.

      The writers here are very good…that’s why this is the site I go to as soon as I get up in the morning.
      I don’t always have time to read every single article and every single comment, I just check in during the day. I am guilty of passing along info that is off topic and many times don’t realize that something has already been written about same subject. I don’t see anything wrong with sharing info and having conversations.

      I have noticed this “topic” 2 or 3 times on this site, in the past, and I don’t think it’s neccesary. People enjoy what they read or they wouldn’t be ccommenting here, at all. There are many other sites that contain good writing and have 0 comments.

    • http://deleted Buzz Latte

      P3Triple,

      If it will help:

      My brain made the quantum leap from the topic to Pritzker, but, after many years in the educational field, it’s an acquired ability. Intelligence and thinking are not linear actions or attributes.

      That’s what makes everything so fascinating – the differences in brain synapses and the pathways we all use to get to the same information or conclusion.

      Hey, the moon, this morning, went into Cancer the sign of crabbiness and stingy ownership. Let’s use the positive energy of Cancer – beautiful nurturing.

      So group hug everyone. We all remain committed to having the best team in the White House.

      Sorry it’s not Hillary. But McCain/Palin 2008

      • LookingForwardTo2012

        Very lovely sentiment!

    • Seattle Moss

      Paul
      We’re all guilty of speed reading posts especially if we read so much all over the net. I’m a really busy guy but I love coming to this community blog as there are so many bright and concerned patriots willing to speak up for their country.
      I’m twice your age and enjoy your passion on the issues. Your thoughts and beliefs are in the right direction.
      After this election you should continue to develop these skills that you have shown all of us.

  • Capt Howdy

    I was a little disappointed when my post about the fake meme of Obama losing because of race becoming a thread about taxes for a major part of it.

    • waldenpond

      NQ needs a moderator…… :)

      • Capt Howdy

        are you available?
        couldnt take it any more?

        • waldenpond

          Actually, I still moderate. I clean up ‘site violations’ and profanity but don’t spend much time in the threads. There was a strong shift with Palin and items that were site violations no longer were. I will probable spend more time in threads when a focus is achieved.

          If NQ needs a volunteer, I could put in some hours, especially as winter is coming.

      • Capt Howdy

        I was just saying to the ladies at the sisterhood that suddenly the idea of limiting comments to people who agree with me doesnt sound like such a bad idea.
        funny how that works.

        • Diana

          I’m sorry, I wouldn’t be interested in a blog like that. If you knew all the comments did nothing but agree with the writer, what would be the sense of reading the comments or even having comments? I mean if you only wanted comments to tell you how great your article is, or that agree with what you’re saying? For a pat on the back? I thought that was the purpose of writing an article to get different opinions…to see what other people are thinking. To add to the conversation/article. That’s one of the things I’ve always found enjoyable here is the different opinions are allowed to be voiced. I’m not talking about the trolls, but not everyone here agrees with each other on every single thing. It’s one of the great things about this blog, it’s a whole bunch of individuals coming together to voice or add their different opinions.

  • McKatmoon

    I know, this one may seem flippant, but not meant that way. Quality of posts, not the number of them; provided there is an ability to make comments without every single reply to the article being spammed by troll-types. it seems there is a push for higher postings lately, this isn’t the first article that has been brought to the attention of the posters for not having enough posts; one a week or two ago was brought back up for more posting.

  • NY mom

    Apart from the obvious trolls I read all the posts anyway, I spend far too much time here. I don’t mind the OTs.

  • Shiloh

    I think too many entries that are just forum posts get elevated to the level of articles. Maybe there should be far fewer articles and the opportunity for everyone to post what they want and let the “market” of readers determine which rises to the top.

    • skmf12

      agree…

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    Well, since it’s an open thread I just want to say that unfortunatly it is now offical. TM’s site is a through and through obamazoid cess pool. If you post anything anti obama they have little computer geek weasels who then post your personal info to try and intimidate you. And Ms. marsh says or does nothing about it. Gee, seems like just a short time ago when folks there were screaming bloody murder about neocons doing exactly the same thing. Hope and change, yeah, change the Democratic Party into the repugnantklan. Now THAT’S being progressive!

    • tek

      Yes, I don’t go there or Talkleft. Why give them traffic? I still think BTD can be thoughtful at times, but Jeralyn and Chris are off the charts. It was hard to stop the “habit” but it just irritates me when I open those blogs and it’s tripe against MCCain/Palin. When Taylor and Jeralyn started denigrating Palin, that was it for me. Just because you’re a Democrat running a black man does not give you permission to trash the opposition.

      I totally believe Taylor Marsh is getting paid by the Obama camp to be as disgusting as possible toward McCain.

  • csuzeq

    I can easily understand your frustration. I try to say O/T when I am going off topic. I just want to add a perspective as a reader. I like to read all topics, except for the trolls. When I have read a previous thread, most likely I will not go reread the comments. I’d be on this blog all day. Many times a new topic is like breaking news and the bloggers may cover it and they may not. I have gotten some great links from off topic comments so try not to be too harsh. I guarantee you that some of the links I have used to send a voter away from Obama or to a non voter to be encouraged to vote against the one.

    • NoTrollZone

      I also post O/T when going off topic. I try to make it short and sweet if I’m doing that. But as others have pointed, sometimes we get some great discussions going and info dispersed when we get off topic. It’s the trolls that are really annoying.

      The ironic thing is that I posted an O/T blip at
      (what was) the bottom of the thread in which you expressed frustration with OT posts.

      I hadn’t yet read all the comments when I put in my OT blip. I’m sorry if bad timing made it look like I was being disrespectful to the author. No such thing intended.

      Keeping an open thread is probably a very good idea, and we can hash out things as they come up in that arena.

      Thanks.

  • Jim S

    I confess, I sent am email over this morning regarding Alxerod, AstroTurf and Sarah Palin and failed to insert a link to the JAWA site. I also confess to realizing my mistake and immediately sending over the link. I also confess that I too have gone into a thread and somewhere along the line where it morphs into some other creature have gone alone with it. I shall henceforth refrain from chasing the morph and keep a true and steady course. Slap me…but not too hard.

    • katmandu

      That was a great link. I also read on Politico today that Politico is trying to get a comment from the Winners.

      I am a horrible offender with O.T’s and I shall reform my ways. But I enjoy others’ OT’s. I find them very informative. Usually they’re the ones that contain some breaking story, a new video, etc. Is there a way to keep a permanent open thread to post all the new things? In fact, if all OT’s went to the open thread, it would be easier to stay on track as one reads the latest diary. I find myself sometimes chasing the OT, and then trying to find my place when I return.

      :) Then there’s always the transition stretch, e.g., “Yes, the bailout will cost a pretty penny. Speaking of pennies, Penny Pritzker . . .”

      Also, I think we should encourage opposing views that contribute something. Sometimes even a one liner can offer substance. Otherwise, we could end up like the bulk of the blogs that have become echo chambers. When I go to some of the blogs I used to frequent, it’s sad. It’s the same small group saying the same things, all agreeing with each other.

  • lark

    First the new thread comes without warning. The last posting on the previous thread then are meaningless. People, and I do that, feel, and I feel that sometimes, I would copy my last posting, when close to the bottom of the previous thread and post it as soon as I am aware of a new thread.

    Second, all you want to do now, Susan is control. Control, control. Is difficult to control a brain. And other’s peoples brains are difficult to control. Control is what Obama wants, and every politician wants, and the bosses, and Wall Street, and the Administration, and Homeland Security, and the Russians, and everybody. They prefer to control others. That’s what brings enormous satisfaction.

    The excitement of the threads are their unpredictability and uncertainty.

    I personally like to post first and then go to the article to read it. Why? I like to continue my thought from the previous thread and then go back to the present thread and read it. Yes, I try to keep a kind of continuity between the previous and the present.

    And other things ADD and ADHD.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    What happened to thread about the Palin hacker being traced to Tennessee? It left right in the middle of my reading of it! :-(

    • waldenpond

      The latest update I could find with a search… investigators served a search warrant and David Kernell left at that time. No info on what, if anything, investigators may have seized.

  • McKatmoon

    Also appreciate we are being asked for pet peeves, it’s a good way to get the feedback and see what works. I do read all the topics, and sometimes am sitting back watching someone else write about a topic I may not be as well versed in. I too, like some of the OT comments and links, they have saved my sanity, and that is some of the charm from many of the posters at NQ, the quick wit, followed with a link; a quick draw, if you will.

    • lark

      I am ADD and ADHD and never diagnosed or treated and I get very bored with the topic very soon and specially with those congratulating the author for the great articles and then posting acquiescing to the whole ideas posted in the article. I only care for what free brains think and not for what people that are paid to write think.

      • Darryl

        I’m ADD and ADHD, black, gay, and a muslim. I win in the excuse department.

        Yep, Now I am a black gay muslim republican. You better WORK!

        • Mr. Natural

          I’m all that plus no arms, no legs, no larynx, no kidneys, liver, eyes, ears, tongue, lungs, no heart, lungs, veins, arteries and to top it off I’ve got no butt so my pants, if I had any legs to wear them on, would fall down.

          All that’s left is a little spleen.

          Which I come here…

          to vent.

  • http://! Clinton Fan

    It might be helpful to post an OPEN THREAD every day or so, to serve as a catch-all.

    Also, if moderators could go through the existing/current threads once or twice a day and simply strip out all the shit that doesn’t belong (“DELETED FOR BEING OFF-TOPIC”) maybe more people would get the spirit. It also might slow down the trolls.

    I get very annoyed when some trolling asshole derails a good topic. Of course, my annoyance makes me MORE INCLINED, not less so, to vote in November–and not for the Troll’s Favorite, either.

    It’s not CENSORSHIP to remove posts in that case–it’s simply “housekeeping.” And if there’s a ‘catch-all’ open thread available, all the flotsam and jetsam can gather in that location.

    A little notice on the home page that off-topic posts will be removed should be sufficient notice.

  • sjc-tx

    For heaven’s sake!!! Its an internet forum! Nothing more than a high tech version of a crowded room of excited and passsionate people. Order is advised but lets not get our knickers in a twist… We all dont have a BIG WELL KNOWN forum of our own, so we introduce stuff here… Frankly I think it’s a mute issue. …let’s discuss!!!

    • LookingForwardTo2012

      I agree. It’s also a good business/management technique to not embarrass or tick off people who make your sitemeter go up, many times every day.

    • skmf12

      absolutely!!!!

  • Sammie

    This is one of my favorite sites, but in all honesty, one of the reasons I only skimmed the Penny Pritzker article is because no matter what is uncovered on the blogs, nothing ever makes it to the main stream media.

    This comment isn’t intended to discourage anyone, I just think dissemination to a wider audience is key. If more people were aware of the information that is already widely available on the web, the polls would not be as close as they are.

    There are so many issues which need to be explored further with respect to Senator Obama, and all the chattering class can seem to concentrate on are troopergate, Palin’s so called “white trash racists supporters” and McCain’s supposedly dirty campaign tactics.

    I have no confidence that the debates will be conducted in a fair manner, and every time I see Obama go up in the polls it makes me sick … the media bias is making it impossible for voters to make informed decisions.

  • John Smith

    Does anybody know where I an find the break down of the Gallup poll?

  • Anonymus

    If only McCain can win PA, OH and FL, then even if he loses IA, CO, NM, AND VA, he would still win. I hope Friday’s debate turns into a game changer. And I hope Wall Street quiets down cause if the economy continues like this, the media will have a field day in creating a crisis atmosphere for Obama’s victory

    • Soldier of Christ

      I am replying to you because you should change your name. Isn’t the FBI looking for some people with your name? I would change it if I was you, child.

  • MG

    I think that an Open Topic Thread is a great idea – sometimes I’m looking for a link to a topic not addressed yet in one of the investigative threads and I do scroll down to have a look :)

    Great work you’re doing here, Larry!

    MG – PUMA

    • Seattle Moss

      Before I abandoned sites like Crooks and Liars I always took advantage of the open threads.
      Great idea!!

      • StrawberrybitesBarky

        C&L has become like a ghosttown compared to the good old days.

  • lark

    The fact is Susan that Modernism is dead, so stop trying to control anything. Even Wall Street and the price of oil today is out of control. This is a postmodern forum in a postmodern world. Control is dead, opinions are alive. A new thing pops every second. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

    Lets elect Palin for VP.
    I don’t care who is president anymore.

    • skmf12

      “Lets elect Palin for VP. I don’t care who is president anymore.”

      *************

      LOL!!!!! AINT THAT THE TRUTH…..

    • wry

      Lark again, I’m not sure which lark I’m responding too.
      I wouldn’t expect CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL next to susan’s name. What’s with that?

  • http://excusemeforkickin.blogspot.com/2008/09/nra-tv-ads-against-obama-and-biden.html RepublicanChick

    Thanks for the open thread, Susan!

    The NRA TV Ads are coming to a battleground state near you.

    Click on my name to see their ads.

    The onslaught has begun! ;-)

    • Eastan McNeal

      I am in WV. I mentioned Obama’s one time support for the DC handgun ban and bang! A solid democrat went McCaining. Hot issue here.

      • just me

        Good!! keep talking Eastan bring some more over!

  • McHope

    Anyone watching FOX right now? Did the judge commenting in the last segment about Gov Palin’s hacked into email account accuse her of using her personal email for public business?
    Several people have read those published emails and have all said there was nothing in them.
    ???

    • Paul3triple

      that is what all of the lawyers keep saying. They are liberals HOPING that is there. Notice how every interview on the subject they throw that out. That was the point of the hack. So now every time they run a story some dipshit can say she was doing state business. Even though it is absolutely clear she was not.

      Also, has anyone saw pics of McCain/Palin’s rally in Medi,PA? I am wondering how many turned out.
      I would have loved to go but Media is about 3 hours from me.

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        P3T,

        Check out my post under your first comment.

    • Seattle Moss

      I hate the Judge.
      He is a sexist pig!!

  • IronMan

    Certainly understandable.

    I think some kind of open-breaking news-latest campaign news thread to post up to the minute-breaking news information would be a great idea.

    Maybe have it in a seperate location, maybe on the right column on the homepage?

    What could we call it?

    I appreciate this site!!

    • lark

      I appreciate this site too.

    • LookingForwardTo2012

      How about:

      Topics From Our Readers

      Off Topic

      Open Thread for (insert date)

  • lark

    The posting on the thread is a work of art, the articles posted by the authors is the canvas and its frame. I like to see the canvas and the frame but I prefer the work of art.

  • georgia

    Very good article about the bailout mess. Read it if you haven’t already and then pass it around.
    Tks all:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

  • hadenough

    Hillary gives Bloomberg a nod:

    Hillary Clinton: Bailout necessary

    “The net result will be that for a short period of time, which is what I prefer, the Treasury will be in charge, but we’ve got a transition coming. People are coming in and out of the government. That is why I’m so much in favor of creating an entity where we can house this. So it’s not the Treasury day to day, but its people who are immersed in it. Some people have suggested that Mike Bloomberg take that over. I think that’d be a great choice. There are other great choices….
    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/hillary_clinton_bailout_necess.html

    • waldenpond

      Some people suggested? I read that McCain that suggested Buffet, Romney and Bloomberg. Clinton agrees with McCain? Odd.

      • tek

        It’s not really odd. McCAin’s idea is a great one. Also the idea to post the package when it’s worked out and let voters give feedback to their Congresspeople. That should be a no-brainer. We’re paying the bill, we should review the agreement. Even Newt Gingrich agreed with this and thinks the bailout is too much and should be done slowly and without panic. Now my head exploded, complimenting Newt Gingrich!

  • Sammie

    http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/abcs-breach-ethics-palin-interview

    Discussion of the “unethical” edits in the ABC Gibson/Palin interview.

  • http://www.patriotroom.com Bill Dupray

    NRA Empties The Magazine on Obama

    4 new ads. Open up brother. Time to eat those “bitter clinging” comments.

    http://patriotroom.com/?p=2291

    • Sammie

      I especially liked the one where the hunter said, I’m not bitter, I’m blessed.

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      Good ads

      • http://noquarters foxyladi14

        these are greatttt ads hope the play everywhere
        puma

    • McHope

      Where are these being shown? Hopefully in PA.

      • cindy

        NRA Fires Away at Obama-Biden on TV and Radio
        September 22, 2008 2:42 PM

        “Defend freedom,” urges the National Rifle Association’s new TV and radio ad campaign. “Defeat Obama.”

        The powerful gun owners’ lobby today announced it is firing away at the Democratic presidential candidate with a cache of TV and radio ads in New Mexico, Colorado, and Pennsylvania.

        The ads will run on cable TV in all three battleground states: CMT, CNN, DISC, ESPN, ESPN, ESPN News, ESX, FXNC, GOLFm HIST, MIL, NFL, Outdoor Channel, Speed, Spike, TBS, TNT, TWC, and Versus.

  • vinnie

    I’m guilty at times for going OT…that said, sometimes when I run across a news piece or something, I put it in the latest article because that’s where everyone tend to be. I’ll try to be more mindful next time.

  • Sarasota

    me me me me me…..its what it’s all about.

  • Paul3triple

    I love the NRA ads. They are targeting places like where i live. TONS of hunters. Central PA has more hunters than almost any other area in america.
    Poeple here still think Al Gore is going to take their gun. So this will help gin up the rural vote. Which is the only aim of the NRA ads. I was at a buddies house out in the sticks and we were shooting an AK47. He was going on and on about Bill Clinton taking his assault rifle. He was so happy when bush lifted the ban.
    Rural voters will react to the gun issue. Obama has supported banning guns before so the ads are true.
    Just because Credit Card Joe says obama will not take them, does not make it so.

  • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

    Latest national poll numbers:

    Rasmussen… OBAMA +1

    CNN/Opinion Research… OBAMA +4

    Gallup Tracking… OBAMA +4

    Hotline/FD Tracking… OBAMA +5

    • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

      McCain leads Obama 51-41 in rural contests: poll

      Republican presidential nominee John McCain leads Democratic rival Barack Obama by 10 percentage points, 51 percent to 41 percent, among rural voters in 13 pivotal states, a poll released on Monday shows.

      http://tinyurl.com/3l5mff

      • fif

        UBM doesn’t seem t understand the electoral college. National polls are irrelevant.

        • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

          Well, fif, the national polls didn’t seem so “irrelevant” when they were shifting in McCain’s direction, did they?

          A mere two weeks ago, when McCain pulled ahead in the national polls, the PUMAs dusted off their dancing shoes.

          No Quarter commenters were saying stuff like: “The movement of the polls… led me to believe that voters were just waiting for Obama to give them a reason to vote for him – and he never delivered.”

          “The Palin nomination changed the election from Democrat vs Republican to Democrat vs Maverick.”

          “The McCain/Palin team is exciting while the Obama/Biden team is just so so. Is it any wonder then that the polls are showing a swing to the McCain/Palin team.”

          Well… looks like some people got faked out of their socks by the “Palin bounce,” and now the true shape of the electorate is on view.

          • Ai1een

            Not really UCBM – the poll numbers you posted – NOT that impressive. Could be reversed 3 days from now.

            • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

              “Could be”… but won’t be. Unless we’re attacked by terrorists. That’s always a tried-and-true game-changer for Republicans.

              Short of that… better keep praying to the Tooth Fairy that the “whitey tape” is real.

              • Karma

                http://www.nysun.com/foreign/spies-warn-that-al-qaeda-aims-for-october-surprise/86326/

                Spies Warn That Al Qaeda Aims for October Surprise

                Intercepted Messages Asking Local Cells To Be Prepared for Imminent Instructions

                By ELI LAKE, Staff Reporter of the Sun | September 22, 2008

                “WASHINGTON — In the aftermath of two major terrorist attacks on Western targets, America’s counterterrorism community is warning that Al Qaeda may launch more overseas operations to influence the presidential elections in November.

                Call it Osama bin Laden’s “October surprise.” In late August, during the weekend between the Democratic and Republican conventions, America’s military and intelligence agencies intercepted a series of messages from Al Qaeda’s leadership to intermediate members of the organization asking local cells to be prepared for imminent instructions.”

              • Seattle Moss

                Who needs a whitey tape!
                You people keep calling us white trash
                You people keep calling us bitter dead enders
                You people talk about Todd Palin screwing his kids.
                You people talk about gang raping Sarah Palin.
                You people talk down about the star spangled banner
                You people have Phleger and Wright reminding us of black liberation theology and the book of Cone

                I think your situation could only improve with a whitey tape

                • Diana

                  You can’t get more racist than most of Obama’s supporters it is impossible. Then again their fearless leader is a racist so they think it’s ok to be so. Look at your quotes. Look at what Black Liberation Theology is. Look at the actual teachings Obama followed for almost 20 years.

                  I believe people change, I do not believe they change overnight and only when it’s of benefit to them and no one else. He chose that as his relgious choice, no one else. He then subjected his children to it. I think they have it wrong, the racist Democrats will be voting for Obama.

                  Just look at the comments and the words they purposely chose to associate with only African Americans. “Uneducated, unqualified, etc…” I would never chose to say that only African Americans are uneducated, yet they do. They even print so much up, use it as a racist word on the MSM. So who are the real racists? Not one African American leader has come forth to say excuse me, but there are also uneducated people from other races. Why would you chose to associate that word with African Americans if that is not the reality of how you view them?

                  • Diana

                    That’s religious and look you found a new one. Now all rapist are African American. I hadn’t heard that about African American’s being gang rapist. I’ve been out of town a few days. Let’s begin the countdown to see when any African American leader stands up to ask why gang rape against a white woman was used and associated with only African Americans.

                    Sandra warns Sarah Palin not to come into Manhattan lest she get gang-raped by some of Sandra’s big black brothers. First she’s not black. Second since when are only black men gang rapists? It was she that once again chose to insert the word black into the equation.

              • Mr. Natural

                “Could be”… but won’t be. Unless we’re attacked by terrorists. That’s always a tried-and-true game-changer for Republicans.

                It figures that you’d be too oblivious to notice that Al Quacki’s been blowing up sh*t left and right over the last month or so.

                Or maybe you’re hoping to get Obama selected Capitulator in Chief so he can backstop America like he backstopped the Constitution with his FISA vote.

                Too bad Obama can’t be elected by one of those polls you’re always shooting off your mouth about. So we could, you know, install the SOB today.

                So we could get the surrender over with.

            • trails

              they’re all within the 6 percent Brady effect. If that factor plays out this time, “The One” is still losing.

    • Seattle Moss

      You must be sweating bullets right now UBM
      The fact is that Obama or should we say generic democrat should be way ahead right now.
      The fact that there is a one point difference means absolutely nothing.
      I’m sure Hillary would be way ahead if she were the nominee
      Enjoy and savor your one point..

      Friday is a coming!!

      • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

        It ain’t the size of the boat, it’s the motion of the ocean. The trend is going the right way.

        And we all know what the salient difference is between Barack Obama and a “generic Democrat.” So if you’re proud of that, and you’re counting on that… shame on you, Seattle Moss.

        • PAwoman

          you and other african-americans should be ashamed of your unanimous support for obama. voting for pigmentation and not for policy, you have debased the american political process.

          SHAME ON YOU!!!

          • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

            Should we be ashamed of having gone 83 percent for Bill Clinton in 1992? Or 84 percent in 1996?

            By what circumstance do you imagine a fat chunk of the black vote should be breaking for John McCain?

            Time to put that red herring out of its misery, PAwoman.

            • PAwoman

              Voting as a block is a sign of a lack of independent thought. I guess you are mindless, and you are proud of it.

              You make me sick. African-Americans voted 93% for Obama in North Carolina and in other states. Voting for pigment and not for policy, they voted against their economic interests. And you seem to think that is perfectly fine.

              I guess you too are voting for pigment and not for policy. You are a low information voter.

              • cocky whacko

                What makes you think there is no independent thought? It seems to me that someone who supports Hillary and then switches and behaves like a lovesick teenager over Palin is someone showing no thought at all. What do they have in common other than their gender? You should really consider your own motivations before making accusations against others.

                • Seattle Moss

                  We vote for patriots!
                  The democrat party has shown us that they are the party of defeat.
                  Explain to me why Obama didn’t get up and clap the success of the surge at the state of the union.

                  Enjoy the bitter backlash!!

                  Greatest in history!

                  • cocky whacko

                    Most members of the Democratic Party don’t call it the “democrat party.” It is a childish habit or Republicans. We also don’t accuse people of not being patriotic without good reason. You are probably a Republican, but if not I think you will be more comfortable there. We will win without you.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Wrong dude..
                      I have been a strong democrat and a delegate for years.
                      I’m voting Country First.
                      The democrat party has been hijacked by the left wing fringe and elites that pushed out the Clinton Moderates.

                      The Dem O Rats are unpatriotic and look like Anti-Americans to me.

                      Tell me why did Obama wish for defeat in Iraq?
                      Why did he not stand and clap the success of our troops?
                      Why does he not fly old glory like other patriotic Americans?

                    • cocky wacko

                      How is Obama’s position on the war different than Cliton’s? He was against the invasion, but at this point they differ very little. Who in the Democratic party supported the surge? If you want to support the crooks and liars in power no go ahead. The patriotic stand is to get our troops out of Iraq as quickly and safely as possible. That way we can actually focus on the real threat.

                    • just me

                      The patriotic stand is to get our troops out of Iraq as quickly and safely as possible. That way we can actually focus on the real threat.

                      Obama is a crook and liar did he not ask the Iraqi’s to hold off making arrangements for the troops to withdraw??

                      Your name says it all COCK WAKO.

                      if he told you to jump under the bus you would follow his orders..

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Hillary who voted for the authorization would have taken a more prudent position in Iraq.
                      Hillary often said that she would look at conditions on the ground and talk with our military leaders.
                      Obama wanted unconditional withdrawl no matter what the conditions and would have forfeited our position in the middle east just to prove a point.
                      When asked what he would do if he got out of Iraq and Alqueda set up a base he replied that he would go back into Iraq..
                      Very Naive!
                      But what gets me the most is
                      That at least Hillary stood and clapped the success of the surge at the state of the union address.
                      That’s what I call being an American First

                      Why did Obama not stand and clap our troops?

                      Obama was sitting on his hands wishing for defeat in Iraq so that he could be president.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      McCain won the Iraq War for America.

                      McCain remained steadfast against universal opposition and put America before his political career to do what was right.
                      McCain’s policy has prevented the United States from being beaten and defeated for all time.
                      We didn’t retreat or defeat like Obama wanted which would have caused utter chaos and genocide on the Iraqi people. The world would have saw images of America cutting and running in total humiliation.
                      Our interests would have been weakened considerably and the Iranians would gained power and hegemony in the region.

                      How shameful of Obama to wish defeat!!!

                      Iraq is part of a long term strategy to prevent World Resource wars by surrounding Iran on two sides stopping Russia in Georgia and having Alqueda on the ropes.
                      Obama is completely wrong to ignore the success and strategic importance of Iraq.
                      We are there to stay and I hope we are there for years to come. The Iraqi’s will be free and rich and we will have an important ally to protect the world.
                      The Iraq war is a Brilliant Strategy!
                      I suggest you get your map out and start learning about Geo Political power.

                    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

                      Hillary who voted for the authorization…

                      Let’s not forget that that’s a huge reason she couldn’t nail down the Democrat nomination. Hillary’s Iraq War vote is what gave Obama his opening with Democratic primary voters.

                    • Ferd McBerfle

                      If HRC was the only one voting for the resolution, you might have a point. She wasn’t and you never do.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      The reason you lose UBM

                      Americans like to win not lose.

                      You represent the McGovern tradition of blame America first.

                      You can’t see it because you are a sheep but this country is uniting against you.

            • Seattle Moss

              You should be ashamed of switching sides and voting your skin color despite the evidence that he was inexperienced and not vetted.
              You dissed the Clinton’s which means you dissed us.
              The tables are turning on you mister

              You vote on race!
              and you support a party now that has shown that it wants American defeat in the world

              You can’t even fly the American flag.
              Just some crappy round emblem with faded red white and blue.

              You can call me Bitter
              All 65% of the Americna electorate

              • cocky whacko

                The only thing I agree with in this post is that you are bitter.

                • Seattle Moss

                  Get used to it!

                • imustprotest

                  The only thing I agree with about you is that you are whacko.

                • TeakwoodKite

                  How is Obama’s position on the war different than Cliton’s?, you ask?

                  Thanks for showing your ignorance. Hey WTF does it matter? She is not in the race and BO will loose, not because of positions, but because he never met a “position” he has not flip floped on.

                  He has no moral compass and even if he did he is to much of a bonehead to figure out which way is north. So McCain decided to show him.

            • Disgusted

              Did they vote that way in the primary? In 2004 did Kerry get 93% of the AA primary votes? How about Gore in 2000? Clinton in 92? I have no problem that AA are voting 93% for Obama over McCain but how about 93% over Clinton?

              • Seattle Moss

                Bingo!
                Where I come from we call that voting on race!

                • cocky wacko

                  Aren’t you voting for McCain because he is white? What is the difference?

                  • Disgusted

                    No answer huh?

                  • Seattle Moss

                    Hillary is a moderate who is married to the only successful two term democratic president in forty years.
                    I’m voting for McCain because he is a MODERATE..

                    Because you eliminated the moderate
                    I must vote for McCain who will not surrender America.

                    Nothing to do about race

                    Obama also lacks the experience and has shown us not to be patriotic enough to be MY President

                    • cocky wacko

                      Obama and Clinton have almost identical voting records. McCain is much more conservative than both of them. Clinton’s postions on the war are much closer to Obama than McCain. Your positions are nonsensical. Your ridiculous arguments about Obama not being patriotic don’t wash either. Obama did not try to scuttle an agreement with Iraq. Even the Bushies agree with that. Crocker and Hagel were sitting in the room and said the story is BS.

                      Obama and Clinton are similar on issues and you have no reasonable other reasons for not supporting Obama.

                    • Ferd McBerfle

                      Obama and Clinton are similar on issues and you have no reasonable other reasons for not supporting Obama.

                      Look wacky pud-puller–Oblockhead is unfit and unqualified for POTUS and you’re unfit and unqualified to post here.

                    • Seattle Moss

                      Ferd..
                      McCain is going to win in a Reagan style landslide
                      http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/kellyanne_conway/2008/09/22/133250.html

                    • cocky wacko

                      Ferd you have another brilliant post. Your posts consist of an insult, followed by an untrue assertion followed by another insult. At least you are consistent.

        • McHope

          Calling someone racist again?
          Whatever makes you feel better when your boy loses.

        • fif

          The salient difference you must mean is that he is the most unqualified nominee they’ve ever chosen right?

          Can’t be the talking point from Obama that you’ve robotically ingested: “I don’t look like the other guys.”

          How about he’s arrogant, hypocritical, dishonest, unprincipled, unethical, and weak? Any of those criteria fit? No, much easier to blame everything on race. Knock yourself out.

          • cocky whacko

            “How about he’s arrogant, hypocritical, dishonest, unprincipled, unethical, and weak? Any of those criteria fit? No, much easier to blame everything on race. Knock yourself out.”

            And he is going to be your president.

            • Ferd McBerfle

              Wrong again, wacky pud-puller. Come back after the elections so we can laugh at you some more.

              • cocky wacko

                Bush was up consistently at this point in 2004. Obama has been ahead consistently except for a short post-convention bounce for McCain. I hope you are patriotic enough to put your bitterness behind you and support President Obama. Country first.

        • Seattle Moss

          Poor UBM
          You people have been playing the race card too long
          I got really bad news for you.
          When you talk about gang raping Sarah Palin you know your going down.
          The AA voting 101% will not be enough to stop the bitter backlash!

        • just me

          “motion of the ocean”

          is going to change come Friday!

          Like a hurricane The Maverick will ride the motion and come out on top!

          Mark my words UCBM

          • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

            Speaking of “mark my words”… what did your favorite “troll,” UBM, write on this very forum on September 7th… back when you guys were jubilating over McCain’s 3-point lead in the Gallup national tracking poll?

            May I remind you?

            “I predict that one week from today, the Gallup daily tracking poll will be back to even.

            “Two weeks from today, Obama +2 or +3. …

            “Mark these words!”

            You might not’ve marked them, just me… but I did. And it delights me to throw them in your face.

            Now mark these words:

            One week from today… OBAMA +7 or +8.

            • Seattle Moss

              As always you underestimate the Maverick

            • Ferd McBerfle

              Mark your own twaddle, Overbearingblowhard.

    • tek

      Bummer.

  • Darryl

    I swear to god, someone needs to ban levis jeans they make my butt look to small!

    • katmandu

      Oh, I get it — an open thread comment about threads.

  • http://mccaindemocrats.wordpress.com/ 30yrdem-not any more

    McCain is going off on Obama for voting present right now…

    • ziggy

      McCain may grouse about Obama’s record of voting present in the Illinois State Senate, but Obama’s definitely got him beat when it comes to being present in the U.S. Senate to vote:

      During the 110th Congress, McCain voted 231 times, missing 64.1% of all votes.

      Obama voted 348 times, missing 45.9% of all votes.

      Obama cast 117 more Senate votes during the 110th Congress than John McCain .

      During the 109th Congress, McCain missed 58 votes, while Barack Obama missed only 11.

      • McHope

        Present 130 times.
        Obama also takes credit for votes he was not in attendance for.
        Do you have the stats for their total records?
        While your fetching those, check out their respective ratings on requested earmarks and pork, too.

        • ziggy

          130 present votes over a period of 8 years? That doesn’t sound like many. He cast a total of around 4,000 votes over that period.

          In the Illinois State Senate, a present vote is often strategic. Bills are sometimes crafted solely for political reasons. The pro-life factions, for example, have crafted bills they knew wouldn’t be passed, in an effort to collect no votes that could be used against their political opponents during subsequent election campaigns.

          • Ferd McBerfle

            There’s another wasted $0.05 from Oblockhead to Zippy for yet another exercise in stupidity.

            Zippy, this part of the process outlined in your little brownshirt book is the do-loop, where you get absolutely nothing accomplished because no one cares what you think. You have to get out of the loop by skipping the step where you come here and waste your master’s money. About four steps ahead in the process are the Yahoo Message Boards where slack-jaws such as yourself post claptrap into the wee hours.

          • imustprotest

            He also “pushed the wrong button” several times, opps!

            • Ai1een

              And BO had the AUDACITY to immorally take credit for legislation that his fellow state senators had researched and authored THEMSELVES. Obama cut a deal with Emil Jones, Jr. and Emil ordered Obama’s fellow senators to turn over THEIR legislation to Obama so he could take credit for THEIR legislation so he could beef up his non-existent record. When questioned by reporters, Emil Jones CONFIRMED this fact.

          • Disgusted

            When you consider that he worked 52 days a year tops, it isn’t all that great either. When you look at what he voted present on it’s actually pretty frightening. Example: Should sex shops be allowed near schools? Obama voted present.

          • TeakwoodKite

            130 present votes over a period of 8 years 143 days IGIT.

      • just me

        OHIO

        McCain 50%
        o 46%

        4% undecided

        and it shows most undecided’s go R when voting day comes round!

        Eat it troll

        McCain leads 3/5 battleground states

        5 point lead in FL

        http://www.rasmussenreports.com

  • pm317

    Susan, some people may think the most recent post/thread gets the most attention (which is generally true) from the readers and therefore are eager to pass on their comment on that thread. Open threads everyday should probably help.

  • ford

    I love the idea of a breaking news area on the site..it would help for us to have a community of news that we can look to with a less jaded eye…

    I love NQ ,it is a great site. I have been guilty of breaking into a thread, if something I just watched on MSDNC or other networks is a item I want to share.

    Susan and Larry, I never meant to disrespect you. Today, I saw the post, and I can tell you I was interested in what Perry had to post as well. It would be great, and maybe helpful in a small way, for the breaking news to have it’s own area….

    THANK YOU LARRY AND SUSAN.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    I want to say that I pay close attention to all articles and sometimes I make comments and sometimes I don’t. I don’t necessarily need there to be a relevant comment thread even though it is, you know, rude for it not to be.

    I see comments from like-minded sorts and learn from the comment section just like I do the actual article, so I can appreciate both and one does not necessarily discount the other in my mind. I appreciate both..

    I guess an open comment thread would work?

  • Paul3triple

    UBM, a quick question. Do you win a General Election with nationwide numbers? Or do you win an election state by state?
    Also, do more than 3000 poeple get to vote? Because that is the highest number of poeple polled of the ones you listed.

    • http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.com Undercover Black Man

      Michigan… OBAMA +7 (Fox News/Rasmussen)

      Minnesota… OBAMA +8 (Rasmussen)

      Virginia… OBAMA +6 (SurveyUSA)

      Virginia… OBAMA +3 (ABC News/Wash. Post)

      Pennsylvania… OBAMA +3 (Fox News/Rasmussen)

      Pennsylvania… OBAMA +2 (NBC/Mason-Dixon)

      • georgia

        Ahhhhh very good numbers…. so let me understand this…… if he loses it’s because of racism.. and when he pulls ahead in the polls ….What’s that about…………

  • http://anvp.typepad.com/soldier4hillary/ soldier4hillary

    ************Breaking News**********************
    Yay! I have a new blog!! WordPress recovered my blog but I moved to Typepad. I am sure they may be a good blog service but I find it highly suspecious that this stuff happens and NO ONE knows anything. This has happened to others. But Anyway here is the url of my new home/blog;
    http://anvp.typepad.com/soldier4hillary/

    • Nicole

      I’m glad to see you’re blog is back, S4H! I look forward to going there.

    • Ms. Misdemeanor

      Typepad is the best.

      If I wanted to have a blog, that is what I would use.

      Take Care.

  • Astra14

    Was on your new home site and I loved your article for dealing with the grieving Obama supporters! They just don’t get it how we feel.

    • Astra14

      This was supposed to go under Reply to this comment for soldier4hillary.

  • http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

    hi Susan , Larry, Bud, Uppity and all –

    Truthteller thank you!

    Well, look at this — Biden has deep Chicago Rezko-style roots. Ugh. What a nightmare it all looks…

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_phantom_foursome_obama_rez.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410341,00.html

    those are for you Larry.

    Apparently he goes back to someone named Bork as well Uppity might know who that is, and was…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/opinion/27rosen.html?ex=1377576000&en=678a4729515b6746&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

  • Diana

    Susan, I think you may be taking it a little personal. I don’t think anyone is doing it out of disrespect for the writer.(I should say most aren’t) I have seen people attack you and other writers here, which I don’t agree with. I agree with you and the others that suggested an open thread daily. I think that would help to cut back on the OT comments. Although, I have seen people post a lot of links and comments that are relevant to the story, a continuation to the story. Something that ties the stories together. A connect the dots, that other’s might consider OT. I know I have been guilty of going OT, for that I apologize. I’ll try not to, and I’m sorry to all the writers at NQ if they took it as disrespectful to their articles, it wasn’t meant to be.

    • jen

      That would be a shame. The OT posts are some of the best.

      There’s too much fussiness about this, imo.

      • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

        Ya, I like the OT posts.

  • NoTrollZone

    Well, my opinion is…
    NoQuarter is taking a hit in the quality of the people who make comments about the posts. That’s the skinny of it. We used to have an assortment of people who were smart as all hell and committed to seeing the Zero disappear. Those people have fallen off a bit. We used to have obnoxious trolls and people would either whap them on the head, or jump over them. Now we have trolls who have set up living room furniture here and I’m pretty sure are considering buying drapes.

    • Ai1een

      ROTFL!

      • just me

        actually they have moved in their beds…

        What a life!

  • tzada

    The open thread always being open and at the top would be great. Especially if it can be used for breaking news.

    Lots of links given you would be problematic, but every thing given should have some credible source or it is just rumor.

    Some times articles are a page or two away or more and if posted in the correct spot would never be seen. So a Breaking News or Open Thread At the Top would be good.

    Thanks for this good site. We know it is hard work, but don’t think we don’t appreciate it.

  • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

    Ok here is my take on it as one of “those people” who probably is pretty guilty of posting “Breaking” stories in threads that often have nothing to do with the current story gong on at the moment.

    I plead guilty with extenuating circumstances.

    One of the things i have noticed lately at No QUarter is a growing number of pardon the term “bitchfest” stories that flood the front page while No Quarter falls further and further behind the rest of the blogosphere in covering breaking items that are hot in the non media media.

    By the time No Quarter gets around to some of these issues the interest has cooled and the opprotunity to push the cart faster is lost.

    Example: Do we really need fluff stories blaming Hillary for not standing up and defending Palin twice? Meanwhile coverage of many topics at no quarter fall 2 3 and sometimes more days behind the news cycle in the blogosphere on both the left and right.

    Meanwhile Saturday Night Live goes beyond the pale and puts out a comedy skit about Mr Palin impregnating his own daughters, a meme started on dailykos and instead of being the proactive leftwing blog that No Quarter should be, exposing this idiotic pushing of the leftwing trash as a “humor piece pretending to expose it” and no quarter is still stuck on sandra.

    I agree that in respect to the writers of articles we should all make an attempt to engage in spirited conversation on the topic at hand, but as with most real life conversations items of the moment often interject into the dialogue.

    But No Quarter’s writers needs to be better about catching up with the news cycle to be more relevant. I am finding myself actually visiting other blogs for whats relevant and current more often than not and doing the actual discussion on No quarter of those stories 2 to 3 days after the fact when the fire about them is dimming.

    Meanwhile, that insufferable and out of date Sandra Bernhard gets countless posts on multiple threads.

    Perhaps some of it has to do with many of us only visiting leftwing blogs for our information. You would be amazed how much anti obama stuff breaks on the right that the left is never exposed to.

    I know many democrats find going across the aisle for news and information to be a bit distasteful, but you would be surprised how much real information you can find there as well.

    So again, i am sorry if i post breaking stories that are not on topic from time to time, but on the same note you also get top ten lists from me so you take the good with the bad. Hopefully its more good than bad though…sheepish grin.

    • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

      oh yeah case and point the Krennel Story running lead right now. This story proke including info on who this person was friday night on the right wing blogs, a full two days before the FBI showed at the door on sunday with lots of great investigative Jounralblogism…yet here we are at No Quarter running it monday afternoon.

      • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

        I submitted the story yesterday afternoon when the information about the FBI search warrant surfaced. But the administrator just published it.

        • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

          my point exactly Truth.

          We missed the morning news cycle.

          • http://fredshelm.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/barack-obama-is-the-mother-not-palin/ Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright

            that story is much more important to get out than worrying about Sandra’s potty mouth.

            If a link can be found between his father and the Obama campaign its potentially devestating…and apparently there are rumors on the right that there is significant linkeage!!!

    • Ai1een

      I frequent and have published articles on Republican blogs. I’ve even had some TV pundits and newspaper journalists write me back and comment positively on some of my posts or ask me some questions to help them understand we STRANGE “FORMER HILLARY SUPPORTERS NOW SUPPORTING MCCAIN/PALIN”.

      At this CRUCIAL time in our country – I have no problem with that as, in my mind, we are all ultimately Americans. I didn’t cut my finger and sign anything in blood regarding party loyalty (I’m a liberal leaning Independent) so I go and gather information and present thoughts/information where I must.

      The Right does have some excellent cutting edge blogs, I must admit, although I tire of their insertions bashing Hillary where ever they possibly can, so I prefer NO QUARTER.

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      I agree, NOQTR is losing it’s relevance with drivel and fluff.

  • http://me414.wordpress.com/ Divine Democrat

    Thank you, Susan! It is a bit disconcerting when the posts are being ignored. I understand how it can happen, there is so much to talk about with this election. I like the idea of an occasional open thread and maybe that will help others to stay on track on the posts.

  • fif

    It’s pretty damn repugnant that Barack Obama is so close to the woman who was a key originator of the subprime scheme as well as a contributor to the demise of a major Chicago bank.

    What’s even more repugnant is that he is out there on the stump every day lying constantly, railing against the greed of the CEO’s and Wall St. The very same people who have filled his campaign coffers, and greased the way for him since the beginning of his career. He is the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE.

  • K Lynne

    I quit reading TalkLeft on a regular basis a while back, but one thing they do well over there is to give the reader the ability to log in (from any computer, even) and posts are marked as ‘read’.

    In an instant, I can identify which topics have new unread comments – and I can scan through those comments to see which of those have been read.

    My biggest frustration here is not being able to easily tell which posts I’ve already read. So once I’ve read comments, I rarely go back to see what additional comments have been left. Is this something that can be done here?? Or is it a limitation of the blogging software?

    I also really like the ability on TalkLeft to ‘rate’ a comment. Not that they actually do anything with it, but it is nice to know that others agree with what I’m thinking – and a way to give the poster a thumbs up without cluttering up the boards with ‘I agree’ posts.

    Most of all, though, I want to say thanks to all here for taking the time to keep this place up and running!!

  • cindy
    • TeakwoodKite

      Not scary at all. I understand the laws are made by the elected representitives in this country. I will be damned if HSharia law gains a foothold in this country. The recent decisions by Texas Supreme court aside and no disrepect to Islam.

      Go to a mosque or live your life by those principles, just don’t expect me to follow.

  • hadenough

    Only mccain and Tim Johnson missed more votes than The Precious. Tim Johnson had an excuse. That means only 97 out of 100 senators cast more votes than Pampers. Only 97. Or how about this: The One is in the top 3% of senate vote skippers. That’s a record the oborg can really be proud of.

  • jen

    It would be great to get an update from Larry on “whitey,” the soetoro birth certificate that the GOP supposedly has, all the dirt from Indonesia, etc.

    Can Larry check with his sources and report back?

    Thanks.

  • SensibleWomanNOTforBO
    • TeakwoodKite

      Clinton says Democrats ought to celebrate the choice and “her elevation to the ticket.”

      Ain’t that a peach?

  • The Audacity of Hype

    OT

    President Bill Clinton on The View today.

    Says Hillary didn’t want to be VP, discusses the issue of sexism regarding Hillary and Palin and has some very kind words about John McCain.
    Good stuff!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dns6oX4p98

    • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

      Excellent.

  • Eastan McNeal

    On OT. I sort of like reading the comments much more than writing. I like spirited discussions. When I wrote today’s I was hoping people would expand the discussion and cause others to think about the bigger theme in Dr. Shackleford’s piece launched last night. Sometimes, to get people going I mix in a bit of Sandra and Chicago Politics. The second comment to that piece, BTW, was OT and it was great! It was a link to the new campaign ads that had just come out and I was glad to see the link.

    My first story here was news that broke first on NQ, about CSI and Obama falsifying FEC reports. It grew out of a Nancy post and ended up being picked up at over 100 blogs and several newspapers. But that took a long time to put together, and many of us are armchair writers and don’t have enough time to donate to building stories researched from scratch. So we write interpretive essays on other stories or chime in with opinion pieces. That’s fine too.

    So call me twisted. But I like watching a thread take a life of its own, especially when it somehow miraculously weaves its way back to the starting subject with updated, appended fresh info.

    • Ai1een

      I can see that Eastan – kind of like conversations – sometimes they stay on topic and sometimes the best ones start at 10:00 are still going at 2:00 in the morning and no one knows how the hell we started here and ended up there, but we sure had fun and passion and even laughs while we were on the journey.

      • Eastan McNeal

        That’s what I was trying to say. Thank you for finding the analogy I was missing.

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    There’s almost nothing that makes me more peeved, and frankly insulted than a writer of a blog spending all their precious time on irrelevent comments that are “Off Topic” and then ignoring the thoughtful and researched comments.

    If you ask for comments, you are bound to get some that you do not like.

    Here’s a tip, IGNORE THEM. Respond to the comments that are relevent and add information to your post.

    I am starting to think it’s a waste of time to comment here.

    • Eastan McNeal

      Never a waste of time to share well thought out opinions. Don’t ever stop.

    • morganjane

      ME TOO

  • Ai1een

    I agree that there are a lot of OFF TOPIC comments on NO QUARTER and I confess that I am guilty of it myself. I read a fantastic post, then I begin reading the pertinent comments and then a reader brings something up off topic (but just as valuable oftentimes); my train of thought shifts and I get waylaid. I don’t mean to be disrespectful when I respond to the OT item, but in reality it IS disrespectful to the writer for the reasons you mentioned (time, research, sweat eqity into the article). I personally apologize and will try to watch this in future. I know it certainly happens a lot with troll comments of which New Hampster wrote about in “Letting the Trolls Win”.

    SUGGESTION:

    I don’t frequent the “Taylor Marsh” site any longer but one possible suggestion that her site had which helped keep comments “on task” was to include a DEDICATED “HOT TOPIC” option.

    After going to the homepage, one click on “HOT TOPICS” and the site took you to another page which basically served as a permanent OPEN THREAD & discussion area. I and hundreds of others really liked this option. This space EMPOWERED and encouraged the readers to be active participants and their submissions (whether brief or long) often, quite frankly, were much better than Marsh’s posts.

    I wonder how many thoughts and topics NQ might be missing by comments limited to writers’ posts (excellent as the posts are). On the other hand, NQ does have a lot of prolific writers which creates variety so there is more upon which to comment, but I still believe a dedicated READERS’ HOT TOPICS page would serve to stay more cutting edge, compete with RW blogs, empower the readers and keep comments on topic under offical writers’ posts.

    SUGGESTION #2:

    It would also be great to have a dedicated page for political action, “NO QUARTER ACTION CENTER”.

    This page could post various sites/links to actions that readers could take after the writers get us all fired up (lol). There could potentially be “Larry’s Action of the Week” or “Susan’s Action of the Day” or “NQ RED ALERT” actions for emergency actions that need to be taken ASAP.

    This election, more than any other, imo, has proven that it is time to take back America; time to get back to the power of GRASSROOTS POLITICS.

    It’s great to read, but information combined with a choice of actions is EVEN BETTER! It would serve to keep us UNITED and EMPOWERED even post Election ’08.

    I know Larry mentioned recently that NQ has grown tremendously and I know with that growth comes a lot more administrative work, so these are just thoughts that you might want to consider for down the road.

    • Ai1een

      Correction: “equity” (I meant)

    • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

      Actions after a story would always be a great idea. I always do it when I post stories on another blog.

      At the end, I give contact information to complain, or whatever.

      That’s a good tip for NOQ, Ai1een.

  • Judy L. NC

    I posted two O/T’s today and I apologize from the bottom of my heart. I really appreciate this site and the thoughtful, hard work of the bloggers.

    • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

      OT’s don’t bother me.

      I cannot imagine someone being more insulted by an OT that is thougtful, than the personal and vulgar insults that are thrown around.

      That must be the new definition of Free Speech. Thoughtfulness and concern will not be tolerated. Vulgar insults are OK by US.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    Anti-Iran Rally Turns Into Anti-Obama Rally
    Jewish Groups Furious That Protest Against Ahmadinejad Was, At Times, A Pro-Palin, Bash-The-Dems Affair

    http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/united.nations.general.2.823131.html

    • LookingForwardTo2012

      Whoa…very interesting. I’m going to search for the text of Sarah Palin’s speech.
      Thanks for the link.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    If we are all going to only post on topic, then I imagine there will be a lot less posts. Some of the reaction stories are posted a little behind, so I am all commented out by then anyway.

  • imustprotest

    Here’s a new McCain ad that talks about Barry’s “friends”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

    It’s about time.

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    This needs to go viral:

    SB 190, co-sponsored by John McCain was a bill to address the regulation of secondary mortgage market enterprises, and for other purposes.

    With the financial sector in turmoil today, the media and the politicians have started throwing around blame with the same recklessness as lenders threw around credit to create the problem. Politically, the pertinent question is this: Which candidate foresaw the credit crisis and tried to do something about it? As it turns out, John McCain did — and partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending three years ago, after an attempt by the Bush administration died in Congress two years earlier. McCain spoke forcefully on May 25, 2006

    Hot Air » Blog Archive » McCain’s attempt to fix Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac in 2005; Update: Obama can’t get AIG right

    Here is a copy of the bill itself, introduced by Chuck Hagel in cosponsored by John McCain, Elizabeth Dole, and John Sununu:
    Search Results – THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    McCain’s specific comments, on May 25, 2006:

    Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

    The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.

    The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.

    For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

    I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

    I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

    GovTrack: Senate Record: FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM… (109-s20060525-16)

    And lastly, this article about Frank Raines, in July 2008:

    In the four years since he stepped down as Fannie Mae’s chief executive under the shadow of a $6.3 billion accounting scandal, Franklin D. Raines has been quietly constructing a new life for himself. He has shaved eight points off his golf handicap, taken a corner office in Steve Case’s D.C. conglomeration of finance, entertainment and health-care companies and more recently, taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters…When Daniel H. Mudd stepped in to succeed Raines after his ouster, Mudd promised a House committee that the days “of arrogant, defiant, ‘my way’ Fannie Mae” would end. Congress has recently moved forward on legislation that would create stronger federal oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    On the Outside Now, Watching Fannie Falter – washingtonpost.com

    Obama, siding with the Democrtic majority, voted against this reform. At the same time, Obama was raking in $166,000 in campaign donations from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. No one except Chris Dodd accepted more donations from Fannie and Freddie than Obama.

    Obama and his Obots seem to forget that there’s an actual record of who voted for and against what.

    SB190

    Obama voted against regulating Fannie and Freddie while raking in more cash from those institutions than any member of congress except Chris Dodd.

    Obama was bought off. Simple as that.

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat
    • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

      We would never know this is Obama-Media! They just don’t report thid sort of thing.

      • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

        We would never know this from Obama-Media…**

  • Peggy Sue

    Frankly, I understand Susan’s “peeve,” particularly when a poster jumps in, first post, and writes something totally off topic. I’m a writer myself, not in this type forum, but any writing takes time and thought and energy. To have posters deliberately [the dedicated trolls] or even inadvertantly to steer the conversation away from the essay is . . . damn irritating.

    So, for the sake of good manners and respect for the writing process [really hard under pinched time constraints], we should at the very least acknowledge the work and thought that each and every essay takes, respond yea or nea, and then and only add what relevant material we may have.

    I may be wrong but I seriously doubt the writers at NQ or any other blog are making beaucoup cash offering up these very well written and cogent posts.

    So, give the posters a break. Respond to the individual essays, and then add whatever you may have to the discussion. And if trolls distract us? Try to ignore them [I know it's hard, sometimes impossible]. Their only reason for existence is to deflect the message, twist the information and have us arguing endlessly between ourselves.

    The protocol is to respect the main essayist, respond and then add our own information.

    This site rocks! I consider myself very lucky I stumbled on it.

  • morganjane

    The posts here are great, I read everyone and appreciate this site. BUT I try to make a comment about the post but while scrolling down I may see a comment I want to reply to as well, what is the harm in it? Is this like ignoring trolls, now you want us to ignore comments that are off topic? Complaining about comments and demanding they stay on subject will drive readers away. Have you ever watched Corner Gas when Lacey has too many rules for the bulletin board? No one wants to post their bulletins anymore.
    You are making people feel uncomfortable here. Maybe you should approve comments before you post them to make sure they stay on subject. … I have seen lots of sites go downhill because of this kinda thing, and it is a shame because this is a great site and it wouldn’t be as great without all the readers as well as the writers.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Pet Peeves? One, is I don’t have more time to contribute to the insightful body of work that is NQ.

    There is so much going on in the world that relates to who is POTUS and how America will be required to deal with like or not.

    For example how will Russia’s moves with Syria, Iran, Venezuela Georgia and else where in the world effect the “angles in the room” when it comes to US policy?

    How will the coming global economic meltdown affect the Domestic policies of the next administration?

    What will become of the U.S. Constitution?

    OT: Responding to Jeremiahs point; perhaps a NQ news ticker/ RSS feed with an open thread, would work. There are a lot of seemingly unrelated stories that on closer examination have vectors in common. I see it as an asymetrical clearing house.

    Live to learn.

  • Elizabeth

    First I want to apologize since I myself went off topic yesterday and to my own horror and embarrassment it ended up being the first comment.( and since I noticed immediately myself I’m sure you did as well )

    Having dial up that moves very slow at times when it is up and running well I am trying to move quickly to comment or read here and elsewhere while it is working well.

    I sincerely apologize again, I felt badly yesterday when I noticed it and even worse today having unintentionally insulted others with my error.

    • tzada

      Elizabeth….. I think when we all read the pet peeves article we blushed in shame. Well maybe not… but for myself I have been guilty of doing OT things. But until they get a breaking news or something like open thread we will continue to do so, or go elsewhere. Nothing worse than a cut job all ready and nowhere to paste it. ;)

  • ellurian

    If this isn’t a

  • tzada

    No other home for this, so I will put it here…

    The Story Behind Biden’s Emergency Helicopter Landing in Afghanistan
    September 22, 2008 6:19 PM
    “Ladies and gentlemen, where are we now? Where are we now?” Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., said to the National Guard Association today, talking about the war in Afghanistan.
    “If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me,” Biden said. “Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are.”

    We hadn’t heard before about Biden’s helicopter being forced down, so we did some Googling.
    Biden said according to the Chicago Sun-Times. Biden said he would ask Palin about “The superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down...John McCain wants to know where Bin Laden and the gates of Hell are? I can tell him where. That’s where Al Qaeda is. That’s where Bin Laden is. It’s not in the country of Iraq.”

    In February 2008, Biden — along with Sens. John Kerry, D-Mass., and Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. — was on a chopper that made an emergency landing in the mountains of Afghanistan.
    A snowstorm had forced them down.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-story-behin.html

    hmmmmmmm ;)

  • Diana

    It is also likely that the PR firm was paid by outside sources to run the smear campaign. While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign. Namely:

    Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm.
    The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.
    Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time.
    Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company.
    The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional.
    This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod’s firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as “astroturfing.”
    David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.
    The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.
    This suggests that false rumors and outright lies about Sarah Palin and John McCain being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the left wing fringe. Our findings follow.

    WHO PRODUCED THE VIDEO?

    [UPDATE: Within 1 hour of posting, “eswinner” has removed all videos from YouTube and began removing any traces of his activities. But we have the video and all relevant websites backed up.

    For full article:
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

  • canucklehead

    Oh! Oh! Oh! Think on This! I just heard a caller on a radio show state that if Obama loses It will be because white America is racist. The guy then said that since Republicans will vote for McCain anyway that must mean its the Democrats that are the RACISTS! Ouch!

  • Diana

    http://tinyurl.com/3po2ul
    I also found this in an update on it on Michelle Malkin’s site. I’m sorry if it’s already been posted I’ve been out of town a few days and still trying to catch up on reading, clicking on links, etc. I was trying to look for a better Hillary video than the one posted, plus I missed most of the interview she just did, and this came up in the searches for that.

  • Hi everyone

    Hate to change the subject Obama and his wife and Dean will all be in the Philadelphia area tomorrow Campaining so they say.Thats Weird the same day that Bergs lawsuit was to be answered.You no the one his followers call a lie.

  • Diana

    Found something else that’s interesting, yep still searching some things. From the Citizens Against Wasteful Spending which is a non-partisan group.

    Greg Jarrett, Fox: You focused on two things really as I understand it, earmarks, and we will get to it in a moment, but wasteful spending talk to us about how the candidates break down on this.
    Tom Schatz, CAGW: There is a long track record in both cases, some of which goes to Senator Obama in the Illinois Legislature. We do not analyze the states. But just on the votes in 2007, Senator Obama voted correctly only 10% of the time, and Senator McCain voted 11 out of the 35 times. He did vote correctly every time. His lifetime rating 88% is the sixth-highest in the Senate. Senator Obama’s lifetime rating is 18% in the years that he has been a Senator. So there is a vast difference on the question of spending and taxes and those results are consistent with other analyses and organizations that track all of these various votes.
    Jarrett: Is Obama at the bottom?
    Schatz: He is not quite at that the bottom. Actually, Senator Biden is at the bottom. He has a zero rating in 2007. But Senator Obama is pretty close at 10%.
    Jarrett: So Biden would be the most wasteful in your judgment, and again you are a non-partisan group, would be the most wasteful Senator?
    Schatz: He wasn’t the only one. There were 13 Senators with a zero rating, but he was one of those that failed to vote a single time to cut waste or cut taxes are even preserve tax cuts.
    Jarrett: And again, we are out of time, but John McCain, zero earmarks. Right?
    Schatz: That is it. Zero.
    Jarrett: Big goose egg. I mean that is amazing in Congress.
    Schatz: It is difficult to say no, but he is one of the few who has.

    Link to video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLe3_1a_KUs
    Link to full article from HotAir:
    http://tinyurl.com/3z7wwl

  • http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat

    Video surfaces of Barack Obama admitting he doesn’t understand the Stock Market

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjaoJuAYnaI&eurl=http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/

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