Arizona Included In Human Rights Paper By The State Department *UPDATED*

Rev. Amy—-I’m sad to say there will be no apology from Hillary. 
That she would be Obama’s vessel, delivering this heinous act against the good people of Arizona, beggars description. You must be depressed beyond belief over this! I know what she means to you.
But, as for me and my house, we are now hoping and praying that Jan Brewer will run for President. What a woman!

Well, as usual….I agree with every word.  And unfortunately, including dental problems.

I do hope you will be ok on your mouth.  I’m going back in 10 mins for the 4th time to a surgeon who extracted only 1 tooth a couple weeks ago, but I have bone sticking out of my haw pressing on the gum.  so he has to open it back up.

I agree with everything you said.  I surely hope Sec’y Clinton revokes that .  She didn’t need this added to her resume.  Disappointing doesn’t even cut my feelings at this point.

Adios, Hillary.

I can’t believe I gave her money in 2008. Can I demand it back? Hillary is now officially Asshat of the year. What in the hell is her problem?

Yeah.  I want all of my money back also.

They are all a bunch of treasonous creeps!

>:o

This will make things easier in November.  Vote against ANY politician who does not loudly object to this obscenity.

I think she put a nail in her own coffin. I don’t want to hear how she would have been much better than Teh One anymore. I am hurt beyond belief. And Arizona will be receiving recommandations on how to improve on its record of violations by, are you ready for this,…Cameroon? Hillary has lost her mind, as far as I am concerned. 

“bone sticking out of my haw pressing on the gum”–it must be bad Linda–you can’t even pronounce “jaw”!

Agree 1000% with you Rev. Amy regarding Secretary Clinton!  As a recovering Democrat, now Independent, I will not be voting for the 2012 Democratic Presidential ticket, even when Obama in desperation dumps Joe Blow and nominates Hillary to be his Vice President.

I also am finished with General Wesley Clark.  After the unncessarily nasty hit job he did on John McCain in 2008 while shilling for Obama I would not support him for dog catcher.  And to think that I worked as a volunteer for Clark in the South Carolina Democratic Presidential primary in 2004!

Is Obama deliberately sticking Hillary with assignments that will destroy any future presidential aspirations, or is she doing this freely and of her own will?  Either way, these anti-Arizona missions are cooking her goose . . .

Obama could be sticking Hillary with projects that will destroy her changes.  But may I remind everyone.  She wrote a thesis on Saul Alinsky.  Which stunned me but it’s true.  I want my money back too.

oowawa—–a most excellent conjecture about Obama’s game plan!  And of course, Hillary could have resigned, but didn’t.  

She lost me.
That was a hard choice.

Is Obama deliberately sticking Hillary with assignments that will destroy any future presidential aspirations, or is she doing this freely and of her own will?  Either way, these anti-Arizona missions are cooking her goose . . .

I believe in waiting for the words to come out of Hillary’s lips herself.  I have to take into consideration that the Ambassador to the UN is Susan Rice, a personal appointee of Obama and one who is not a Hillary Admirer.  I am also thinking of the Israeli-Palestinian talks that are just beginning in DC after several months of coaxing from her and Mitchell, and I cannot expect her to take her mind off that ball.  The truth will come out regarding that UN report sooner or later and I still maintain my faith in Hillary’s ability to do what is right, at the right time.

Are we going to get an open thread today? o/t but has anyone seen this:
http://standupamericaus.com/press-release-lt-g-tom-mcinerney-files-affidavit-in-support-of-lakin:37481

I want to know who decided that we should participate in this UN endeavor, since we have not participated before.  By the way, before Jan Brewer took on the federal government with the illegal issue, she was doing very poorly in her reelection for Governor.  I  agree with what Arizona is attempting to do, but she may be a one trick pony.  No, I will not turn my back on Hillary just yet. 

Like the rest of you I cannot believe the time and money i wasted on that lady.
I knew something was not right when she did not fight for her nomination at the convention, but did not think she whould totally turn on America.

getfitnow—-interesting!

Is Obama deliberately sticking Hillary with assignments that will destroy any future presidential aspirations, or is she doing this freely and of her own will?  Either way, these anti-Arizona missions are cooking her goose . . .

Yes! to your question, OOWW.  I will reserve my judgement when I hear the words from Hillary’s lips.  I am well aware that the US Amb. to the UN is Susan Rice, a personal appointee of Obama and never was an admirer of Hillary; said so many negative and nasty things during the primaries.  We should also take note of what’s about to begin in DC–the Israeli-Palestinian face-off after months of coaxing from Hillary and Mitchell.  I am sure that the truth about the Arizona inclusion in the report will come as soon as Hillary is able to look into it.  

As an Arizonan, I contributed to Hillary’s campaign.  I want my money back NOW!!!

To turn my back on her was difficult. 
I cannot say one thing about Obama and another
about her their policies are the same on this issue. 
I don’t expect her to apologize, she made her choice and
i made mine.

Don’t feel bad, gram.  I stood for John Edwards in the Iowa caucuses.  For a bunch of relatively bright people, some of us sure blew 2008.

Whoa!  Just when you think we’ll never see those records…

Carry on, Col. Lakin.

Although I generally agree with you typical gram, and was also very disappointed with Clark’s remark about McCain, I still think I could forgive him for that if he distances himself from the current Dem administration.  As for the rest of them–let the ship go down, all hands lost.

When I heard about this, it really shocked and saddened me.  This makes Hillary a hypocrite.  I don’t not want to be for Hillary, but you raise so many good points in your post Amy. Especially the one about how Iran sits on the U.N. commission for womens’ rights.

I swear, I think that she (and many other liberals) think that if we show other countries by “example” that they will change their horrible human rights record.  Not going to happen.  

If anything, letting illegals dangerously cross the border from Mexico and then getting paid a pittance by employers is the violation of human rights.

Instead of my usual, gohillarygo, I am saying whyhillarywhy? What is your point? Did someone make her do this? She truly believes this?

“…as soon as Hillary is able to look into it.”

Are you kidding me?  Look into it?  Her department wrote it!

I tried to bite my tongue here on this one… but… told ya so. Hillary isn’t Bill. Hillary isn’t even close to being Bill. She is just about as far left as Barack in my book. OK… I will slink back to my hole now.

Let me get this straight, he walks all over her and treats her like trash in the primaries, and now he’s got her doing his dirty work for him. And not a peep out of her.

If she has any judgment or character, she’d walk on this disastrous administration. 

I’ve grown so fond of all of you, and I am sorry Hillary has let you all down….again.  Instead of making us an international role model for taking this position within our own country, I think it makes us a laughing stock, IMO. 

“General: Obama records ‘critical’ to ‘our republic’
McInerney: Eligibility issue ‘of such magnitude that its significance can scarcely be imagined’”
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=197837

I’m sorry, but I’m done with Hillary Clinton. 

Here’s something else: The Obama administration has sued Arizona again. On Monday, they sued Arizona for requiring GREEN CARDS at universities. Green cards is the identification legal immigrants use–under Federal law–in this country. So, the Obama administration is suing a state for requiring people to adhere to FEDERAL LAW. 

This administration is SICK. 

Disgusting!

felizarte—-unfortunately, you have  heard it from Hillary, via PJ Crowley’s lips.  He is her spokesperson, and when he is speaking, she is speaking.

What astounds me about this obamanation is that HRC CHOSE to do it when it would never have occurred to anyone. Not only was the notion of AZ as an international human rights violator not on the radar, there is no radar made that would consider it even blip-worthy.

Does anyone think there would have been an uproar, from any quarter, had the former sane Hillary Clinton, now gone completely around the bend, apparently smoking political crack, NOT thought to throw an American State on a UN human rights violation report?  The very idea of it is so ludicrous, I would have thought this was an Onion report, not a legitimate news item.

Saw a play last night where the son asks the wacky mother, “Were you always like this?”  I’m wondering, was Hillary always like this and we just didn’t notice it?  Or is this a sign of creeping dementia?

No use submitting your claim in triplicate, Lee . . .

Not yet.

Oh, if Arizona had, for instance, oil, or platinum…and was run by someone the like of, say Ferdinand Marcos… then this little misunderstaning RE: Arizona Law would be moot, wouldn’t it?

Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch: Why is all of this such a surprise to Hillary supporters? Did she not accept (maybe solicit) SECSTATE from ObamaYoMama?

Would it also amaze you to learn that most, if not all, members of the family Ursus excrete in forested areas?

Or that Joseph Ratzinger marks the “CATHOLIC” box on most survey forms?

Or that Rose Kennedy does, indeed, own a black dress?

“Whores is whores!” – Charles “Lucky” Luciano 

Anything to do with the UN is directly the work of Susan Rice, a personal appointee of Obama and who probably gets her direct order from Obama.  I will give Hillary until after the Israeli-Palestinian talks to address this personally.  I hope that she has at least called Gov. Brewer privately to explain herself.

>>> This makes Hillary a hypocrite.

No, ma’am. HILLARY makes Hillary a hypocrite. This just indicates to what degree her hypocrisy extends.

OT and I apologize but, Amy, have you seen this?

NYPD Suspends Cop Who Stopped Mom of Dying Girl

Do you think that anybody “suggested” very strongly to Hillary that she do this?  Hard to imagine that she has so totally lost it that she cooked this up on her own.  Also hard to imagine that she has become so inept that she approved it . . .

But then there was the disastrous blunder of her “misspeaking” about ducking sniper fire in Bosnia, and the way she acquiesced to the delegate count at the convention . . . hmmmm . . . time to move on . . .

@felizarte – I hope she does addressl this issue. It is disheartening.

Well then, I guess I should have said..”to me, this makes Hillary a hypocrite.”  I would like to not think that of her.

@IndieDogg – I was thinking..maybe it is me that has change my viewpoints and not Hillary.

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You’re right, Doc -

I always knew she was NOT Bill!!!

The Obama years are leaving a
lasting marks on all Americans. 
Americans are learning. 

i don’t like  Sarah Palin’s politics.
But i like her and her love of country. 

Hillary, is lock step with Obama.
She should put her country first.
on this issue, especially 

felizarte—Susan Rice is directly under Sec’y Clinton.
Go to the State Dept. web page and look at the organization of State Dept.
United States Permanent Representative to the United Nations  is directly under Sec’y of State. That is Susan Rice.

The Obama years are leaving  
lasting marks on all Americans.   
Americans are learning.   
 
i don’t like  Sarah Palin’s politics.  
But i like her and her love of country.   
 
Hillary, is lock step with Obama.  
She should put her country first.  
on this issue, especially   
 

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What American President Would Do That?

American Thinker,
by Carol A. Taber

Original Article

9/1/2010 

Other presidents have been wrong. Other presidents have been misguided. Other presidents have been weak and pusillanimous and pathetic. Only one truly disdains America.

His name is Barack Obama.

How else to explain his latest outrage against the country that elevated him to the ranks of world leadership?

CONTINUED BELOW

“I’m wondering, was Hillary always like this and we just didn’t notice it?”  

Yes, and yes. From my perspective, she’s little different than the Hillary I’ve known a great deal about for almost twenty years. I’ve always been mystified that so many people have been fooled by her phony veneer. 

Yes she wrote that thesis, but the topic was suggested to her by her professor. She was never a devoted follower of Alinsky, although she did admire his charisma and his goal of democratic equality. She did not support the methods he advocated to achieve that goal.

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Last week, the Obama State Department submitted a report to the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights on the supposed human rights violations taking place in the United States. According to the Washington Times, the report

describes how the United States discriminates against the disabled, homosexuals, women, Native Americans, blacks, Hispanics and those who don’t speak English. There is the expected pandering to Muslims…the report notes that until recently, the U.S. engaged in torture, unlawfully detained terrorist suspects and illegally spied on Americans communicating with terrorists … but the report assures readers that Mr. Obama has been putting a stop to all that.

Beyond the outrage felt by Governor Jan Brewer, whose move to protect Arizonans’ human rights was offered up as an example of an abuse of human rights by Mr. Obama’s State Department report (gotta protect those drug cartel murderers!), for many citizens, this report is a rank anti-American manifesto and the last straw. Many believe it to be outright evil, that there is no other word to encompass Obama’s disgraceful and indefensible decision. This odious report has placed America — us — on a list of human rights violators that includes Iran, North Korea, and Sudan. And Mr. Obama and his administration have done it purposefully, intentionally, and with malice aforethought.

The truth, on the other hand, is that every demographic group mentioned in the report as victimized by America is better off in America than in any other country on earth. That’s why they stay here. If they don’t like America, they’re free to leave at any time. We’re not the Soviet Union or China, restricting population flow. European glories are only a plane ticket away.

But they don’t leave. That’s because the people of America have a higher standard of living, more opportunity for high-quality health care (at least for a little while longer), a better shot at a decent education, and more personal freedom to pursue occupations of their choice — and life, liberty, and happiness — than in any other place on the planet.
But according to Obama, splinter groups of Americans (including women, who compose a majority of the population) are hapless and defenseless victims of our “downright mean” country, a description coined by Mrs. Obama during Mr. Obama’s campaign for president. The State Department report is a typical liberal look-at-America-through-a-toilet-seat perspective, construing every minor problem as systemic and considering all forms of law enforcement discriminatory. The report is unseemly and deeply offensive to the American people. 

Worse, it’s not just Obama and his thumb-sucking minions whining about America to other Americans — at least that wouldn’t be purveying false notions about America outside our borders. No, lying to Americans about the cruelty of their country isn’t enough for Obama — he must preach it to the world. Because in Obama’s worldview, the world is the ultimate arbiter of America, even though that quaint document, our Constitution, specifically grants such responsibility to the American people alone.

CONTINUED BELOW

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It’s nonsensical from a legal point of view, and Obama’s a lawyer. One of the chief notions in legal academia is that a judge’s political perspective shapes his decisions no matter how hard he attempts to be objective. The same holds true for countries — Iran will judge us through the Iranian anti-Semitic, anti-American, anti-freedom, fundamentalist Islamic perspective it uses for everything else. Yet Obama inexplicably sees the judgment of countries like Iran as important and wants to lay bare before the world each of our minute flaws — some real, some imagined — for careful examination and exploitation by our most implacable enemies, with much of that exploitation dangerous to our national security and to ordinary Americans.

Perhaps it’s because Obama has spent most of his life in a Christian country that he doesn’t understand how the world works — over here, we don’t cast the first stone. Instead, we target the most egregious human rights violators and try to curb their violations. Maybe Obama thinks the rest of the world will act in truly Christian fashion, too, and focus on the true human rights violators even if we expose ourselves to the tyrants, dictators, and mullahs. That would make him an idiot.

More likely, Obama just doesn’t give a tinker’s damn whether the world flays us because he thinks America’s minor flaws are major ones. It is possible that Obama dislikes America because this is the country that produced his rootless life and gave leeway to his drunk, child-abandoning Kenyan father. More likely, Obama is displeased with this country because he spent his childhood wandering from identity to identity until he found one that justified his alienation — identity as a Marxist racialist — an elevated identity in the left’s hierarchy of the victimized.

Whatever the reason, Obama has no soft spot for America. The unpresidential condescension he feels for our country and its religion- and gun-clinging citizens oozes from his pores and spills out of them in unguarded moments. And that disrespect — the kind that comes only from those who are clueless about leadership — gives both aid and comfort to our enemies and leaves those who wish to share in the bounty of our freedom and liberty in the dark.

What American president would do that?

Carol A. Taber is president of FamilySecurityMatters.org.

Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, LIKE!

It’s always difficult to resist a good “I told you so”, especially when it’s so well deserved.

It kind of reminds me of a gang ritual–you gotta kill somebody before you can be accepted as a real member of the gang.  It burns all bridges to the past . . .

The first mr. creeper, dog rest his soul, told me twenty years ago that he liked Bill but didn’t trust Hillary as far as he could throw her.  He was a smart man.

Thanks, Cindy – that was so nice of you to say.  And yes, it is depressing.  I cannot believe she qould acquiesce to such a thing.  Putting one of our states on the same list as other countries who commit heinous acts for them wanting to enforce the LAW?  That is beyond belief.  Good grief.

IAD3SLT – sorry to hear you are having mouth problems, too!  Yow – yours sounds VERY painful!  Getting my temporary crown was relatively painless, and they should have my permanent one in right before I have my surgery.  I sure hope your problem is resolved quikcly, and as painlessly as possible…

Oh, dear – yes, I can see you would want your money back.  I gave her a ton, too, and even contributed not too long ago to eradicate her debt (hey,w ait, I thought The One was suppsoed to do that!  Oh, wait – he’s a liar.  I forgot for a second.).

Personally, I don’t really think Hillery would be much different than Obama.  I think that both are in love with themselves and are power hungry.  Hillery is probably more dangerous , because she is smarter than Obama. 

Oh, dear – yes, I can see you would want your money back.  I gave her a ton, too, and even contributed not too long ago to eradicate her debt (hey, wait, I thought The One was suppsoed to do that!  Oh, wait – he’s a liar.  I forgot for a second.).

I also like to misspell her name ..

Oh, Gram – I hear you.  I loved Wesley Clark – until he became Obama’s shill.  And I am right there with you – a former dyed in the wool Dem until 2008.  They will have to do a whole lot right to ever get my vote again.

Which reminds me – I got a call from the DCCC last night – on my cell phone, no less.  The guy tried to argue with me when I asked him to take my cell number off, to not call me, and no, I wasn’t going to give them any money.  What in the world makes anyone think that arguing with someone from whom they want money is going to work??  As hard as it is for this Southerner to do, I hung up on him after he wouldn’t take no for an answer.

Not sure abt the OT, getfit (haven’t had a chance to check the queue), but I’m glad you provided the link you did.  Wow! 

Wow! Many times do you want your money back? Bill & Hill would be bankrupt in due time man!

ROFL! Stop making jokes, it’s awful to have mouth pain and crack up laughing.

Well, I want to see some VERY reliable evidence that Hillary is in support of punishing AZ because they want to enforce immigration law.  It is totally out of character because she and Bill have said over and over they oppose illegal immigration because it diminishes the possibilities for American citizens to enjoy a high quality of life.  She said that in the debates in ’08 and when she was asked at a Town Hall meeting if she thought Spanish should be declared an official language in the U. S. she said no.  If she has political ambition, it makes no sense she would come out in support of illegals at a time when it’s a losing issue.

Carla, I totally understand.  I cannot tell you how much this upsets me.  She has been such a stalwart on REAL human rights violations – how in the world can she include ARIZONA in any negative way at the UN?  Staggering.

And honestly – all these freakin’ lawyers in Congress and in the Administraton – what part of ILLEGAL do they not understand??

tgc:  Thanks for putting up the info about Clark.  I loved him. I didn’t see that he shilled for Obama, but that’s it for me.

Yes – I saw that.  They are going after one community college in particular for requiring basic information for hiring.  It is unbelievable.

I agree with your assessment, Noogan.

Someone said that to me at the
market once, such wisdom
while standing in line exchanging
small talk about the covers of the tabloids. 

Never forgot it.

Wow, take good care of you, I hurt just hearing it. Ouch!

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Hillary is flesh and blood also.

Hillary is a fantastic subordinate. She just follows her boss’s instruction, that’s all.

I really believe Obama is trying to fill this country with illegal hispanics because he knows the large majority of American citizens hate this phenomenon and he’s acting out of spite.  There may be some political benefit to it, but I truly believe it’s spite.

On the other hand, Thee One wrote His thesis on “The Sanctity of States Rights, According to the US Constitution . . . ”

Oh, never mind . . .

I know OA. I don’t want to rub salt in the wounds anymore than to say that actually, we didn’t have much of choice in 2008 when you think about it. We had McCain, Hillary and Barack from progressive to worse in that order. I don’t believe any of them would have made the hard choices we are going to need to make to bootstrap this economy. We have had four consecutive progressive Presidents  now… ignore the (R) or (D) brand names they were all progressives. We haven’t had a fiscally conservative president since Reagan. We are in for a tough road no matter what… but it is going to take somebody thick skinned and fiscally conservative to lead us out of this hole we are in. We are probably looking at a tough decade either way… but we can dig out if we decide to. If we have the leadership to.

Wow! How many times do you want your money back? Bill & Hill would be bankrupt in due times man!

Sorry…my puter froze and it posted in triplicate

Agree Samb. I am disgusted and I won’t bite that apple ever again. There is no pressure or agreement with any administration to turn into a traitor. From where I sit, that what it looks like to me. You know there are officers who have been killed there- not much different than serving in another country, it is horrific in what has been happening on the border for too long. Shame on this entire administration, and shame on anyone who doesn’t quite get the upset the American public has over wanting people to have to go through the immigration/citizen process legally. You want the benefits of being an American citizen, then you need to be on the books to pay for those benefits just like the rest of us. That isn’t a human rights violation, that is our current law, a$$holes, all of them. Between that and the mosque issue I really don’t understand what is wrong with having some consideration for Americans, in America. (I is still our country isn’t it. Or did they sell it out in loans to support TARP, etc, making promises on issues like mosques and immigration so they could get some cash to fuel their hell bent economy?

yuk, you rethugs are on here thug tonight…Hillary may be planning on resigning in a few weeks because of this, but maybe she wants to finish the Israel/Palistinian thing first, HUH!
I also think this is a play on words, which the rethugs are good at!

Guess I have to do all the houseworks with all these Mexican immigrants gone! Meaning less blogging and more household chores! Hahahaha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_fwNN_PYyw

Spite, no.  Votes, yes.

Samb, I love the way you write.  It’s almost free verse.

“I don’t want to rub salt in the wounds anymore . . . ”

No Doc, there are lots of PUMA’s who frequent this site who are very angry and have had quite enough betrayal and salt rubbed in their wounds.  Time to build coalitions who will fight together in the next battle . . .

Arizona is behind Jan Brewer.  And it’s not just about the governor.  It’s about our state of Arizona and the citizens of the United States.  If they will do this to Arizona…what state is next? 

Hillary sucks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fRygyBzoZg

This is beyond the pale. Yes some people in this country have a problem with  women,  people of color, and homosexuals.  We know this and the battle to end this is still being fought.

But to declare that the entire US is like this is just wrong.  Yes, I’ve been called the “N” word more than once.  I’ve been denied entrance  and service right here in the good old USA long after MLK Jr.  My husband and I were almost run off the road by some yahoo with bright lights and a grudge.

But have I met many good, kind, compassionate people no matter what ethnic group they happened to be in? Yes.

Heck, I’ve had bikers stand up for me.  Doesn’t fit the stereotype does it?

Are there immoral, bigoted, small minded people out there? Yes. 

But for our own government to issue a report painting all of us that way? I am stunned.

If this is truly what our State Dept, headed by Hillary Clinton, believes where was her outrage when she and other women in politics were being called b*tches, wh*res, and c*nts?

Hillary gave more than one speech about the outrages against females such as child marriages, clitorectomies, stonings, and killings for real or imagined things they did to “dishonor” their families.

Bill is silent and Hillary is actively supporting this crap. I think we are in real trouble here.

Thank you.

Jan Brewer, we in Arizona are behind you 100%. 

Obama can override anyone in any department at any time.  It was Obama who decided to sue Arizona through the DOJ.  I heard a non-gov. agent talk about bringing this up to the UN ( I think it was on Greta) before the suit by the DOJ even began.  

This document will exist in the archives of this country, and it exposes the depths of deception that are practiced by a person who is immersed in personal power.
Right wing conspiracies won’t deflect blame from this disgraceful missive!

I actually don’t think there is anything wrong with the way Hillary mentioned the Arizona law in the report. It’s simply presented as an example of how the US is dealing with immigration reform issues. It also states at the very beginning: “Some may say that by particpating we acknowledge commonality with states that systematically abuse human rights. We do not. There is no comparison between American democracy and repressive regimes.”

You can read the whole report here:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf

Governor Brewer’s letter is good also. I can understand why she would be angry, she is under attack from all sides. As she mentions in her letter, what about the human rights of the 150 dead this year who were being traffiked into this country? Illegal immigration and the government’s refusal to address it is not just an inconvenience and a danger to US citizens, it’s literally killing illegals too.

My only complaint about the report is that it is filled with constant Obama praise. He is apparently the one who granted women the right to vote, who ended slavery, who single handenedly stopped child labor, etc, etc. I was starting to gag.

Hillary will never lose my respect. I respect Hillary not for what she might do in the future, but for what she has already spent her whole life contributing.

Having lived here in NY my whole life I’ve always thought we have the best cops in the world.  This guy, however, is off his nut.  How could he not know CPR?

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Arizona vs. the U.N.
Human Rights Police

Creators Syndicate Inc.,
by Michelle Malkin   

Original Article

9/1/2010

An indignant President Obama complained last week, “I can’t spend all of my time with my birth certificate plastered on my forehead.” Fine. How about plastering a copy of his presidential oath of office there instead? The kowtowing commander-in-chief is in dire need of a daily reminder that his job is to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” — not international law or global diktats. (Snip) In short, the 29-page document is a self-aggrandizing report card touting the administration’s far-left domestic and foreign policy initiatives for the world’s approval.

Good! If you read the report, it is actually a report highlighting the progress the US has made on human rights over the years and our on-going committment. Arizona is not listed as a human rights violator, but as an example of the way we process our conflicts peacefully through the judicial system.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf

Oowawa, our backs are against the wall here. Those of us who see that will fight to the very end… whatever that end is. I will be damned if our kids and grandkids have less than we did because we did nothing to stop this.

I support both Hillary and Gov Brewer. Hillary for her life’s work and dedication to human rights and Gov Brewer for her courage and dedication to protect and defend her state from illegal immigration and the federal government’s failure to act.

“it is going to take somebody thick skinned and fiscally conservative to lead us out of this hole we are in.” 

Hmmmm, which political luminary has demonstrated over and over how thick their skin is over the last two years? Who could that be?

You’re correct Doc, we conservatives haven’t had much to chose from since Reagan. Bush I (Drab), Dole (An older McCain), Bush II (Nice guy. Toooo nice), McCain (A younger Dole). And the most dynamic conservative possibilities are quickly dispatched by a unified MSM DNC denigration onslaught. (Think Newt)

People need to start using the level of vitriol and ridicule from the leftists toward a conservative candidate as a gauge. The more wild, nasty, and insane the progressives get regarding a particular conservative is a good indicator that that candidate is the one we want and need to get us out of this mess. Use the leftist acrimony as a reverse barometer.

Yes, her department did write it. Did anybody read it? Because it’s not a list of human right’s violators, it’s a document that praises America, this “grand experiment” that has produced one of the finest countries in the world.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf

First point….. The Feds took AZ to court over preemption, not human rights and the federal law is following the scenario they lay out to the UN.

Second point….. The UN must think we can`t remember  any further back than Obam`s inagaration.
The UN should be checking their own human rights violations.

Remember this…..?

January 3 – January 10, 2005

LAST MONTH A CLASSIFIED UNITED Nations report prompted Secretary General Kofi Annan to admit that U.N. peacekeepers and staff have sexually abused or exploited war refugees in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The worst of the 150 or so allegations of misconduct–some of them captured on videotape–include pedophilia, rape, and prostitution. While a U.N. investigation into the scandal continues, the organization has just suspended two more peacekeepers in neighboring Burundi over similar charges. The revelations come three years after another U.N. report found “widespread” evidence of sexual abuse of West African refugees.
“The issue with the U.N. is that peacekeeping operations unfortunately seem to be doing the same thing that other militaries do,” Gita Sahgal of Amnesty International told the Christian Science Monitor. “Even the guardians have to be guarded.” That’s not far off the mark. Various U.N. reports and interviews with humanitarian groups suggest that international peacekeeping missions are creating a predatory sexual culture among vulnerable refugees–from relief workers who demand sexual favors in exchange for food to U.N. troops who rape women at gunpoint.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/081zxelz.asp

It is long past time for the US to get out of the UN and the UN out of the US.

Sigh. I wish people were not so quick to attack Hillary every chance they get. Listen, the doucment she submitted is not, I repeat, not a list of human rights violators. It is a document praising America for her dedication to human rights.

Read it:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf

The report is not a list of human rights violators, it is a report that praises America for her dedication to human rights. You can read it here:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf

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AZ Border Sheriff: ‘I Have
About As Much Regard
for the U.N. as I Do the Vermin’

Cybercast News Service,
by Penny Starr   

Original Article

8/31/2010

Sheriff Larry Dever, whose officers patrol Cochise County along the border between Arizona and Mexico, said he finds it “amazing” that the U.S. State Department would refer the recently passed immigration law in his state to the United Nations Human Rights Council for review. “Well, it’s just amazing to me,” Dever told CNSNews.com. “Course, I have about as much regard for the U.N. as I do the vermin that hides in the rocks around my house here and reaches out and tries to bite me every now and then.” The Bush administration refused to join the U.N. Human Rights Council….

Very compelling hypothesis.  Makes sense to me. 

oowawa.  You’re mean.  LOL  (kidding) I bet if you had this, you wouldn’t want to say JAW. LOL

OMG.  Folks, I’ve experienced a new.  I feel like I have just been swept up in Extraordinary Rendition to Saudi Arabia and they used a new torture technique on me.  My body lifted in the chair many times.  It seems I had a collection of problems.  Bone left, dead bone from the infection that came from what was left in and not tended to well the first…or second time.  So much for him telling me my pain was maybe because I’m more sensitive or OLDER.  The poor asst looked in shock and may be looking for a new line of work after this.

The best part was the bone file he used to finish it off so I didn’t have to come back in smothing out the bone.

I need Pat making a toon with a Dentist stand over me with a huge boe file in my mouth screaming, “admit this is your fault!!! ”  ”OK OK I GIVE, my age and being female made bone break off and I asked you to leave it there for good measure!!!”

!@#$%^&

She is not “supporting this crap”…she is responsible for it!
I continue to ask myself why Arizona, and not other democratic states who have similar laws.
It is starting to look like revenge on republicans.
I am not going to ponder it too long though, for I refuse to carry another’s guilt!

I think I have to go off line.  Because I’m sitting here with a stitched and gauze packed mouth, Ice on my face and a Sgl Malt in my left hand.  And blogging and drinking may get me in trouble…especially when I dive in to the Percoset  Or how ever you spell it!

Hey, enough with the Hillary bashing, eh?
1. The state department spokesperson was hardly eloquent
(“you know” and gov brewer as well “you know”)
2. The damned az law controversy is a matter of record and Dale with the issue of human rights by definition. Hate the law, love the law– it doesn’t matter– it is now in the court system and Hillary did not bring that suit. The infant terrible Obama did.
3. In the quote from the report the matter is presented as a discussion between a state and the federal government– that discourse we pride ourselves on (and damn rightfully so). It’s too bad it’s in the courts, but that Is also a tool for us to be proud of. Here is how fox reports this:
In its report, the State Department does not specifically allege that Arizona’s law would lead to racial profiling.

“A recent Arizona law, S.B. 1070, has generated significant attention and debate at home and around the world,” the report says. “The issue is being addressed in a court action that argues that the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law. That action is ongoing; parts of the law are currently enjoined.”
In its report, the State Department does not specifically allege that Arizona’s law would lead to racial profiling.

4. The un council looking into human rights violations is, of course, pathetic, disgusting and irritating by it’s composition of several of the most notorious human rights violating countrIes. Hillary had nothing to do with it’s composition.
5. The us does have human rights violations. We all know that. We weren’t born yesterday. I am not offended that there is a report.
6. Hillary has been nothing but stellar in her commitment to human rights.
Ps– sorry for crappy editing. I can’t preview to fix any errors.
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I’m happy you’re not having problems with the work.  Lets hope it stays that way.  But what are you having surgery for?

Yttik, thank you for the link to the actual report.  As usual, context is very important.  People are getting upset over nothing since it is not a list of human rights violators. I knew in my heart that Hillary will not stand for something otherwise.

You nailed it Carla — the Libs naively think that being an “example” to other countries will magically turn wolves into lambs.  Instead, our adversaries see this as a weakness and are ready to take advantage of it at every turn.   The Russians are writing about the decline of U.S. power and influence and discussing strategies to take advantage of it and you can bet your bottom dollwar that they’re not the only ones….

OK, many more typos.  I own it!!!   Hopefully you can figure it out.

Yes, but the point Yttik is that the UN Commission on Human Rights will have the opportunity to “pass judgment” on the Arizona law because the U.S. State Department is writing that the WAY “America is dedicated to human rights” is by countering the Arizona law (a law, by the way, that was made by a State legislature voted in by the voters of Arizona).  In other words, this is a way for the U.S. government to get the UN on its side against Arizona. This is DISGUSTING — Obama can’t get U.S. citizens to agree with his tactics against the Arizona law (national poll results), so he turns to the UN to get “legitimacy.” This hurts almost as much as reading about everybody’s teeth extractions.

Jan Brewer, we in Texas are behind you 100% …!!!!

I think people have this habit of only seeing what they want in articles and leaders.  I was behind Hillary 200% until May 31, 2008.  Then I started looking into her printed articles etc and seen someone I didn’t recognize.  I believe if Hillary (I think she did win the primaries) had won the presidency things would be a lot better then they are but…..I have my doubts about her progressive views.  There not moderate they are left far left. Now I can’t believe or trust any democrat. Now I’m independent and I’m staying that way.

yes it helps to read it

yes it says exactly what you are saying!

The whole “notion” of asking the UN with all their faults to pass judgement on this country or even one of it’s states is appalling. That is what this is really, just one more step in the direction of a one world government. Only somebody in love with the “notion” of government would do this. As if a one size government fits all. Sounds like fascism to me when you think of it like that.

Yeah, you’ve really got our number confloyd. We conservatives forced Obama to give Hill the job, we forced her to take her position on the border, and we forced her to sacrifice AZ in the name of kumbaya global appeasement, all in our effort to “out her” as a self serving ultra progressive. Aren’t we sneaky? HA HA HA HA HA HAR!!!

I’m going to wait and see. It was’nt that long ago when Hillary stated on Ecuadoran tv that it was “Obama’s decision” to have the DOJ sue the state of Arizona. A couple of years ago Hillary was also in favor of a border fence.

If any of you have actually researched her history you’ll realize she’s actually more moderate than you think. BTW, Hillary made clear in her thesis that she disagreed with Alinsky’s methods AND she refused to join his “movement” when he extended an invitation.

I agree.  No one should be having cheap labor…Mexican nannies or any other illegal…clean house, etc., etc.  I do my own domestic work (vacumn, windows, laundry, patio, ironing) and as for building and landscaping, my family will take any job anyone has…all born in the USA and speak English.  And we don’t need Bill Maher’s crap to tell us what’s right.

Like it or not, Hillary is a member of Obama’s Cabinet and is obligated to enforce all of his orders and policies. She’s not going to resign over this.

Yes, because she thought she could do more as a lawyer working politics from the inside. Just like Barack. They are the exact same in so many ways.

felizarte—- I understand that you want to defend Hillary, but she is Sec’y of State, this is her dept’s report and if she cannot defend it and serve her President in “good faith”, she should resign. That’s what people with high moral standards do.

You might want to read paragraphs 94, 95, 96 of the report. That puts the subject in context and THIS is why we are outraged. Arizona was mentioned deliberately. That’s a pathetic and unforgivable act for many of us here.

Sometimes i think some are just waiting to condemn her without even wanting to read the document.

Almost feels like ahh hah we got her now ,we don”’t need to read the information we would rather jump the whole way on to the repubs,the same ones that lied to us for eight years.

They are nothing alike. They’re bios reflect that. Hillary hate dies hard.

Subtle kafir……………very subtle.

(I think this might be too much, too far, and too soon kafir  )

YTTIK—-please see my comment to felizarte a little ways up,  mentioning paragraphs 94,95, and 96 of the Report.
  Read the context in which Arizona is mentioned. Quite unforgivable…….and I do not see any defense for it. Hillary should resign if she has any professional and personal standards left, IMO.

yes if we have learned anything in the last 10 years it’s lets us hear it directly without interpetations.

In other words Yttik, it’s like Obama and Hillary telling the UN, “See UN! This is how we punish our naughty kids when they misbehave. BAD AZ! YOU’RE GROUNDED, AND YOU LOSE ALL OF YOUR SECURITY PRIVILEGES!”. Obama and Hill are such good parents.

But she’s going along with the nonsense no matter.  Only if she resigns in protest of his policies does she separate herself.

Obama and Hill are such good parents. – And Arizona sure looks spiffy in their plastic pants. This is dead on right. Mr and Ms Government knows best.

They are like the anti-Cleavers. Gee Wally… I dunno. Eddie’s family bought a new car… seems like we should have one too. Yeah Beav… the Haskells are blood sucking rethugs. They saved up and bought a new car for just themselves… Gee Wally, rethugs sure are mean… you got that right Beav.

Her silence is her approval.  The woman is in Obama’s pants.

“A recent Arizona law, S.B. 1070, has generated significant attention and debate at home and around the world,” the report says. “The issue is being addressed in a court action that argues that the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law. That action is ongoing; parts of the law are currently enjoined.”

This wording may look harmless, but it’s not.  This report is about how the U.S. Federal Government is supporting human rights.  By referring to “the issue” in the 2nd sentence, the report means the Arizona law — meaning that “The U.S. Government is addressing the issue in a court action” — meaning, the Government that is supporting human rights is carrying out a court action against the Arizona law — meaning, in the UN speak in which all this stuff is written, that the Arizona law violates human rights and the U.S. Government is taking it to court.

This wording is NOT harmless.  It allows the U.S. Commission on Human Rights (full of countries who carry out egregious human rights violations) to pass judgment on the Arizona law.  No other word for it – disGUSTing.

It was bush’s fault.  You know it was. 

Ok, I read the report and it’s hardly an indictment against Arizona. The PDF seems to not be working but if you do a web search of www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf you can view it as HTML.

Basically, the whole document is a model of what the USA has done right in terms of Human Rights. It acknowledges that SB1070 has generated debate both abroad and at home but NO WHERE does it attack it. Read pages 23 and 24 in the HTML version.

Sorrry for th OY t, I am watching the debate between Boxer and Fiorina….

The questioners panel are hard left. Period. Boxer has an up hill battle…..

16,500 teachers pinked….wispering…..painting Fiorina as oooh there is my oppenanent sending jobs overseas….

“Nation helping, not nation building”. WTF??

Sandi78, I am always so happy when someone clarifies the record about HRC.

duhhhhh but also take into consideration this.  she’s GOING ALONG WITH IT.  He ain;t destoyeing her alone.  SHE’S HELPING

EXACTLY! I actually went and read the report and no where is Arizona or SB1070 cited as a human rights violator.

We found Boxer`s transpotation to the event…

Mr. Naural, what do you know of Ferdinand Marcos that you bring him up?

Illegal immigration and the dream act. California is in deep shit.

Typical abused woman who can’t break the cycle. 

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A very ‘interesting’ comment from the above article,

“What American President Would Do That?”

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“As to Hillary “doing this,” I saw it coming when she gave a speech to the United Nations General Assembly during Bill’s second term of Office. Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather were sitting in the first row, and, Hillary’s first words were:”If I ever become President of “The United States,” my first official act will be to surrender sovereignty over the “United States of America” to the United Nations.” Both Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite exploded out of their seats, and, led the standing ovation (standing on their chairs) that seemed to go on forever. This Video used to be on the first page of the United Nations Website. Do a search for the UN, and, watch the video, I’m sure they will not have deleted or removed it from their website. It reveals where a President Hillary will lead us, should we ever be so dumb…or, should there ever be another Democratic Administration.”

Yttik, yes, but, the category is, how we handle what could constitute human rights violations in this country.  And given that, the U.S. failed to raise any issue of Constitutional violation other than federal pre-emption; and since this is a fine point sure to be lost in lay discussions of the AZ situation; and since the damage done to AZ, anyway, is a done deal, I cannot conclude HRC is off the hook.  (But then, I am taking a break from finishing up part 3 of 3 of the Coup Trilogy, and at this point, I want everyone who put CLUB before COUNTRY, in prison.)

RR, see my comment upthread.

that’s called paranoid

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A very ‘interesting’ comment from the above article,  
 
“What American President Would Do That?”  
 
 
 
Posted by:
Gordon DeSpain  
Sep 01, 2010 

“As to Hillary “doing this,” I saw it coming when she gave a speech to the United Nations General Assembly during Bill’s second term of Office.

Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather were sitting in the first row, and, Hillary’s first words were:

“If I ever become President of “The United States,” my first official act will be

 to surrender sovereignty over the “United States of America” to the United

 Nations.” 

Both Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite exploded out of their seats, and, led the standing ovation (standing on their chairs) that seemed to go on forever.

 This Video used to be on the first page of the United Nations Website.

Do a search for the UN, and, watch the video, I’m sure they will not have deleted or removed it from their website.

It reveals where a President Hillary will lead us, should we ever be so dumb…or, should there ever be another Democratic Administration.”

Well, OK Onofre, but “Think Newt” is a thought that I’m not ready for yet . . .

Is Mexico included on this “list”?

YTTIK—-With all due respect, and I mean that,…If you have read para. 94, 95, and 96 of the report and see no problem with Arizona in that context, then you must not have a problem with Obama’s DOJ suing the good people of Arizona. We’re very different, I guess.

Sassy that’s what breaks my heart. Doesn’t she care about the kidknappings, exploitation, enslavement, forced prostitution and rapes  against these people? I know she does.  She was a part of the Civil Rights movement when it wasn’t popular. She’s done this her entire life.  What changed? Something is very wrong here.

Hillary is too smart not to understand that this isn’t just about hating on illegal immigrants. Their human rights and the rights of legal US citizens are being violated by the very people the AZ law, a mirror of the federal law, want to stop.

Maybe this is another case of follow the money. Cui bono? Who benefits?

I would like to have govt. leaders who would respect the spirit of the Constitution and its principles of checks and balances.  I do not expect a single party to be the “savior” of the country.  The constitution realizes that. that is not possible; The constitution is more intent on preventing abuses of any one branch of govt.  That is why, I do not want to see one party control both houses of Congress and the presidency also.  With the Senate and Executive from the same party, there is the ability to stack the Supreme Court with justices who may subvert the case traditions of the country.

This election, I intend to vote all republicans–in the house to make sure that the country’s finances are reviewed; the Obama agenda stopped; and the Senate so that Obama will not have the ability to push through another justice who would support his agenda. I will also vote against anyone who does not support the Arizona SB1071.  And I will vote against anyone who voted for the healthcare bill that nobody read before voting for it.

rosa, used to be, whenever I pointed out, whatever the complaint against politicians, the R’s are as complicit as the D’s – especially in TX – I got called names.  But not so much anymore.  (Have you read my post, CLOWNS to the LEFT of ME; JOKERS to the RIGHT (1 & 2)?)

Yes; in the context of human rights.  Are you saying that, she really intended for people to ‘get’ that she was praising AZ for including the subsequent explicit language prohibiting racial profiling?  I missed that.

Yttik, yes; she said this, in the context of human rights.  Are you saying that, she really intended for people to ‘get’ that she was praising AZ for including the subsequent explicit language prohibiting racial profiling, as testament to their commitment to human rights?  Or that, criticism from the federal government inspired that change in the original legislation; and that’s how we deal with human rights problems…no, wait a minute, that still implies, AZ has a human rights problem.

Good God.  Has everyone liked everything any politician has stood for and if you say you did, you are probably lying.  You take everything into account that they stand for and you decide whether this is someone you can back or not.  I think most people are overreacting about this report.  But that’s what everyone does these days.  If you listen to Sean Hannity, the world must be coming to an end, because of the Obama administration.  There is so much vitriol on both sides and it’s a sad commentary.  Today when  FOX News brought up the fact that Obama was trying to bring peace to the middle east, I wished that he wouldn’t be successful, because I don’t like the man.  Then I had a moment, and thought “what have I become?”  I don’t think the intent of the report was to say that America has anything to apologize for-we know we are the greatest country on earth, and I know that Hillary knows that.  Maybe we all just need to take a breath and stop the knee jerk reaction to everything.  Me included. 

Onofre—–you got that exactly right, kiddo!

Mexico certainly treats the immigrants from Central America terribly. After all… they just want a better life for themselves. No problem breaking the immigration laws right? Just so long as the country being broken into is richer than your home country. Mexico is richer than most of Central America so it should be all good. If you use Mexican logic as we see it on our borders.

Your voting for republicans to make sure our finances are reviewed…ha,ha, ha, ha, are you kidding me??? They started this crap…we need a new party both are crap and Obama is finishing it, they want the NEW WORLD ORDER and to do it, they know they have to bankrupt us first.

It makes me want to get in her face and yell:
“Be a woman, for god’s sake! Get out of this abusive relationship you have with Barack!”

And then he paid for his copy of The Weekly World News and left (sorry Samb, couldn’t resist) . . .

Crackerjack and I’m a Linda too——-my remark was for both of y’all!

Maybe you stone throwers ought to check out what Iran is formenting right now against Israel…she may be a little to busy to correct the republicans play on words right now….she might be trying to avert another war and a big one at that…grow up…she is working her ass for you and me.

yes I have  I appreciate your work.     I really don’t care for either party, its just that I won’t go to the republicans ,especially the ones winning these primaries right now. At this point I don’t trust blindly either group and will make individual choices. 

I don’t remember her actually taking a position on immigration since this latest thing….she been in that jet flying all over the place to try and fix up the messes of GWB…or did we forget that…in just 20 short months.  Things don’t happen over night and I can tell you the middleeast is a powder keg about to go up….Obama and Holder is on the Ariz thing…but the thugs will try and pin it on her, because you guys are afraid of her.

Don’t try that crap with me…if you guys hadn’t helped this freak out, we’d have a President Hillary and not a President Idiot muslim. You guys helped scew the caucas’s and don’t tell me in different because I know you did.

Really Dave…you dont think…that’s the problem…you don’t think..awh I got it now its a thinking problem.

My God–I can’t believe this one, even if I see it with my own eyes . . .

Rev. Amy , while I wouldn’t be foolish enought to give the SOS a pass on this one, but I damn sure want to know how it is, the “16 words” made it into the report.

Left to her own devices, I have very serious doubts about the fact she supports this bullshit. It very out of charecter for her in a political sense not to understand the downside of doing this. I am willing to wager that she was privatley against it.

FUBAR starts at the top. Considering that over 82,000 people have been murdered in the violence just south of our border, in the last 18 months, only BO could have done this. It may be worth looking at Susan Rice for this one.
I smell a rat.
Great posts you have been doing, thanks.

Yttik-  P.S. You keep mentioning Hillary’s past stellar record on Human Rights and women’s issues……….but what ever happened to “Charity begins at home”?

What about the suffering, bleeding, and dying citizens, including mothers, sisters and daughters, of Arizona? Who speaks for them? Who’s helping them? Where’s Hillary?

Rev. Amy , while I wouldn’t be foolish enough to give the SOS a pass on this one,  I damn sure want to know how it is, the “16 words” made it into the report.  
 
Left to her own devices, I have very serious doubts about the fact she supports this bullshit. It’s very out of character for her, in a political sense, not to understand the downside of doing this. I am willing to wager that she was privately against it.  
 
FUBAR starts at the top. Considering that over 82,000 people have been murdered in the violence just south of our border, in the last 18 months, only BO could have done this. It may be worth looking at Susan Rice for this one.  
I smell a rat.  
Great posts you have been doing, thanks.

Too late now Cindy! She has been carrying his water since she took over the State Dept! If she gets out many will not forget.

I campaigned for Hillary, I gave her campaign every penny I could squeeze from my budget, I cooked food for the volunteers who came to PA on primary day, I bawled my eyes out when the nomination was taken from her. That being said, I just listen to her now and wonder was I that stupid? That misled? Why include the Arizona law on this list at all? Makes no sense, for even to include it in a “positive” way presumes it is a violation of human rights to begin with. Well, I can’t get my money back, and the time I spent was worth it because of all the awesome people I met, but Hillary scares me now, and it turns out that either the person I thought I knew was a great actress or I am just a gullible old lady. Perhaps a bit of both.

Someone posted we need a thick skinned conservative to fix our deficit…don’t you remember what our deficet looked like after Reagan??? How about what it looked like after GWB??? I think the people with brains put in the wrong democrat….the rethugs never and have never fixed the deficet…ask Cheney….his answer…don’t worry about the deficet!ROTFLMAO!! WAKE UP FOLKS…we need Obama out of office thru impeachment which you rethugs are good at.

What an absolute crock of bovine scatology!  Ya know, R3 Amy, it’s getting harder and harder for me to support Hillary.  States rights vs. federal rights and the feds’ refusal to do their dang job and kick the illegals outta AZ and every other blinking state is the point here.  Shame on Hillary for agreeing with such nonsense actively or passively.

Jan Brewer, Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, step to the front of the line!

Huh?

~JustMe~ You’re so right about that, but i still wish she would leave him.

I want gridlock; give everyone to think again.

felizarte—— Now you’re talkin’!!  Great comment.

Hang in there Linda., that is what PAt should , a painting as you describe your current state.  

Exactly Cindy! Many must sleep in fear on the border, nightly. There is no excuse for not protecting your own!

 until he became Obama’s shill.

Oh my, and how many peices of silver did that get him? He was under that Bus faster than most. 

Him being a military man…

“Don’t try that crap with me..”

What crap is that confloyd? Do you mean reason? Don’t worry about that, I would never expect you to apprehend reason, any more than I would expect a a pile of dog shit to appreciate Shakespeare.  

“Don’t try that crap with me..”  
 
What crap is that confloyd? Do you mean reason? Don’t worry about that, I would never expect you to apprehend reason, any more than I would expect  a pile of dog shit to appreciate Shakespeare.  

If there’s nothing wrong with the AZ law why mention it at all?  It doesn’t need to be in the report if it doesn’t violate anyone’s rights Constitutional or otherwise.

Hey, doncha kinda have to be a US citizen, natural born (me), or naturalized after going through the process, or someone granted aslyum under US law to be protected?

Heck I’m moving to Mexico, or Canada, or any other country and when they ask me for my BC, visa, passport, green card or any other paperwork I’ll just tell them that the US no longer requires those and the dog ate my homework.

Ooooh! Sounds awful. I’m starting to get twinges. You poor thing.

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A very ‘interesting’ comment from the above article,    
   
“What American President Would Do That?”    
   
   
   
Posted by:  
Gordon DeSpain    
Sep 01, 2010   
 
“As to Hillary “doing this,” I saw it coming when she gave a speech to the United Nations General Assembly during Bill’s second term of Office.  
 
Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather were sitting in the first row, and, Hillary’s first words were:  
 
 
“If I ever become President of “The United States,” my first official act will be  
 
 to surrender sovereignty over the “United States of America” to the United  
 
 Nations.”   
 
 
Both Dan Rather and Walter Cronkite exploded out of their seats, and, led the standing ovation (standing on their chairs) that seemed to go on forever.  
 
 This Video used to be on the first page of the United Nations Website.  
 
Do a search for the UN, and, watch the video, I’m sure they will not have deleted or removed it from their website.  
 
It reveals where a President Hillary will lead us, should we ever be so dumb…or, should there ever be another Democratic Administration.”

Guess I’ll have to take down my pictures of Hillary, too.

I’m sick to death of this whole rotten sideshow. How anyone in his right mind could think that BO and his minions are doing our country any good ia beyond me.

Guess I’ll have to take down my pictures of Hillary, too.  
 
I’m sick to death of this whole rotten sideshow. How anyone in his right mind could think that BO and his minions are doing our country any good is beyond me.

Enjoy your beans and rice. Enjoy them a lot. Because your hope and change artist has bankrupted the country and his globalist corporatist friends now have all the money.

I wouldn’t bet on it. They’ll do anything to keep those records undercover.

One world government is the end game or progressivism. We will all have the same, do the same, and be the same… we will all be serfs. Except the elites of course. They can still have 5 million dollar weddings. Screw that.

OMG. Is there a link, video, or other kind of proof? Or is this just what this one person is saying? Heck, I ain’t real happy with Hillary right now but I ain’t buying this without visual proof.

I’m still 100% for Hillary. I may not agree with every word she says or every actions she takes, but she is so far ahead of any other Democrat, or the current Republican crop, when it comes to leadership and knowledge and love-of-country that she is in a league of her own.

In my opinion, she has to say and do things, on occasion, as SoS, with which she disagrees. She does, after all, “serve at the pleasure of the president”. What good would it do anyone, especially her, if she were to quit in a snit over policy. She is an adult, she has her opportunity for input, but Susan Rice is attached to Ozero at the hip and when it comes to the UN he’ll go with her extreme views.

True.

Agree 100% felizarte. Didn’t our UN Rep Rice call Hillary a monster and bring her own entourage into the State Dept refusing to be under Hillary? This whole UN thing smells.

Maybe you are the same politically as you were ten years ago.  I am not.  I was a die hard Democrat, and now I am a die hard Independent.  Bill Clinton has admitted that there are several things he would do differently if he had it to do over again.  Fifteen years ago is a long time politically.  Thanks for the refernce anyway.

Sandi78! Yes! Absolutely!

Nope, I don’t trust Susan Rice after what she said about Hillary. She was thrown off the campaign for that but was directly appointed by Obama as UN Rep. She reports directly to Obama.

yes, it seems if people have forgotten how great republicans have been for people other than corporate interests and spying on citizens,stealing from SS to pay for the war, secret prisons,Valarie Plame all those great republican values!  Why don’t we hear about the secret oil deal that chenny backed and obama signed it?

OMG, OA, when I saw the vid, I KNEW what it was.  PERFECT!!!!  Thank you.

Well Rosa I’ll tell you something. I did well under Reagan and I did well under Bush I and II but under this POS and the democratic senate and congress, I’m about to lose everything. I didn’t do that well under Clinton to be honest with you, but then I was a single mom raising 3 kids on my own. So you can keep repeating the lie that the Republicans love them some corporate interests, but you best look at what the Democrats did before are doing now and have done since 2007 when they took office. I don’t care for either party and was a dem almost all my life, but I’ll be damn if I keep regurgitating the same old damn party lines. You ask about SS, well why don’t you go into how Johnson took some of that money? And how about Obama spying on the citizens? Seriously, open them there eyes. I’m an independent now, but I wouldn’t vote for a democrat if someone had a gun held to my and my family’s head.

“If I ever become President of “The United States,” my first official act will be  to surrender sovereignty over the “United States of America” to the United  Nations.”  

That’s total BS.

LoL- me- 

And how about Obama spying on the citizens? Seriously, open them there eyes. I’m an independent now, but I wouldn’t vote for a democrat if someone had a gun held to my and my family’s head.

Yes, I feel obama has sold the country to corporate interests and I did not vote for him and I too am an independent now after a lifetime of being a dem, but that doesn’t mean I am going to give bush or obama a pass.   Personally I am not doing so great now nor did my family under regan. i am against the half way measures obama has shoved down our throat and sickened by his indifference to what people want.

the thing is  I am not regurgitating party lines because I do not have a party anymore!

Where do you even get this stuff?  There’s no way that’s true, why even say that?  Besides the fact, that the thought is gross!

These people who DO say Arizona is committing human rights abuses, I’d like them to very specifically say HOW.  How can it be, when it’s only enforcing existing federal law?  And even if it were a NEW law, how is it abusing human rights?  There is NO right to enter a country ILLEGALLY!  And they’re only going to check people who are committing crimes, anyway!  Oh, boo hoo, the criminals are going to have to prove their citizenship.  How many times a day do we real citizens have to show our ID?  A lot!  But it’s a human rights abuse to have someone committing a crime to have to show it.  It’s just ridiculous.

RRRA, would you consider an update in your essay, explaining more specifically that Hillary’s report did not list AZ as committing human rights abuses, but used it as an example of how our country solves disputes?  Everyone is having huge reactions, saying what a traitor she is, but they haven’t read the actual report.  I believe the way it stands, Hillary is being mischaracterized.  Thx for the consideration in advance.

EllenD—-It doesn’t matter to whom she reports….It’s Hillary’s Dept and Hillary should resign if she cannot condone Susan Rice and Barack Obama’s philosophy! Hillary is now PART OF THE PROBLEM because she is responsible for what comes out of her department. That’s the way the Federal Gov’t works.

felizarte—My comment was in response to yours about voting and elections…..just FYI

Well said, Beachnan.  Sadly, this site just seems to be becoming a CDS place.  The people who aren’t going to automatically have a knee jerk reaction are going elsewhere….

The UN has also changed in 15 years.  Even if one didn’t love it 15 years ago, it’s different now – human rights abusing countries have seats, etc.  That’s relatively new.  Hillary’s thoughts about this may have also changed in relation to events on the ground…

It would’ve been interesting to be a fly on the wall when Hillary was told by Rahmbo (probably) what she was going to do on this issue.
“Just in case you’re thinking of running against us in 2012,” Rahm probably said, “I have a couple of things for you to do that will seal you to this administration forever.”
Hillary is learning, as have generatilons of girls before her, that things generally go better when they just shut up and do the bidding of the Man in charge.  Particularly if that Man is a diety, like Obama.
Don’t believe it?  Just watch Mad Men.  America was a better place then, when Men were Men and women were secretaries.  As Hillary is now.

Hi CORR,

I thought her cycle ceased long long ago. Would be a grandma in nine or ten month’s time??

lorac—please read my comment above re: the context in which Arizona is mentioned. It’s appalling for the State dept to have done that.
Hillary is the head of the State dept; therefore, she has to take responsibility for the report. If she did NOT agree with report and could not have changed it, she should have resigned.

I expect the report is signed by the head of the dept? What many fail to see is with “O” going down will quite happily take the rest of them with him including Hillary. Did they all forget what happened in the primaries? A leopard never changes its spots!

Well! USA works on the push-pull democratic  system.

Bush had been pushing hard on the UNS before Obama.

Now Obama is pull the UN back towards the USA.

This Push-Pull systems is the open secret of the fundamental principle of the US democracy invented and propageted by the USA’s forefathers and it works wonder for centuries!

Hey Onofre’s arm, how u doing? In this high tech era of info and comm, evrything is moving like lightning speed.

It’s better early than never! No?

For those who want their money back, forget it.

Never trust a politician, period!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55qUH0NGNAU

I think she means it metaphorically lorac, but still……….eeeeewwwe!

I imagine that all SOSs are bound in the same way Hillary is, whether the SOS is female or male….  particularly since traditionally the SOS is male lol

Cindy, do you resign every time your boss asks you to do something you don’t agree with, especially when most of what you’re doing feels like meaningful work?

“Iran is formenting right now…….”

I had to look this word up!

Forment (for ment) v.t. 1.  the process of brewing rebellious beer by introducing brutally mashed barley to pissed off yeast, n. 2. cement that has been pre-formed to desired shapes, n. 3. the foreskin of a concrete dildo.

It is sad that so many would consign Hillary to the dust heap for the said “report” in total disregard for all the significant things she has done on behalf of all women, and her consistent fight against human rights abuses.  As for me, this does not change my high regard for this American, this human being and I still hope to see her one day as president of the country.

the foreskin of a concrete dildo. ????? The mind boggles!

We no spoke Americano and yet ironically they were well come in the USA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbDgwvPUJEY&feature=related

The Governor seems to be doing a good job as she faces a lot of backlash from her state’s current stance.  Arizona needs the support of the American people as their issues are all of our issues.  The drug cartel is basically running unchecked, illegal human trafficking (not just those who want to come here to work but babies, sex trade slaves -babies, children and adults, potential terrorists) all have a way in at least 80 miles inside the border of Arizona  and our country.  With seemingly little to no support from the Feds and with the President of Mexico telling me how to handle  business, I applaud the Governor for what she is trying to do.

The Governor seems to be doing a good job holding up under intense pressure as she faces extreme backlash from her state’s current stance.  Arizona needs the support of the American people as their issues are all of our issues.  The drug cartel is basically running unchecked, illegal human trafficking (not just those who want to come here to work but infants being sold, sex trade slaves -infants, children and adults, potential terrorists) all have a way in at least 80 miles inside the border of Arizona  and our country.  With seemingly little to no support from the Feds and with them and the President of Mexico demanding Arizona handle business how they see fit, I applaud the Governor for what she is trying to do.

What I find outrageous is an Administration that is at “war” with one of our states. Talk softly and carefully with those who would harm us and “sue” one of our states for trying to protect it’s citizens. Which Arizona wouldn’t have to do if the damn federal government would do it’s damn job!

Oh and isn’t Arizona lucky?

Arizona now has ‘whopping 30’ National Guard troops and 15 billboard signs warning citizens about drug cartels operating on public lands

 http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/02/arizona-now-has-%e2%80%98whopping-30%e2%80%99-national-guard-troops-and-15-billboard-signs-warning-citizens-about-drug-cartels-operating-on-public-lands/If P.J. Crowley isn’t speaking for Secretary Clinton then she needs to fire his ass for overstepping his boundaries. If not then she either agrees with what he’s saying or she has no control of the Department of which she is “supposed” to be the head. SoS Clinton is the SoS. No more damn excuses for what the State Department does that doesn’t include her. Would you – did you, find such excuses for Condi Rice?

I “like” both Palin and Brewer. I also “like” their courage. Bachman is a step too far for me. Put Nikki Haley in that trio and I’ll climb on board.

candymarl, I invested money, time, phone calls, and e-mails in a presidential candidate, after evaluating her merits and flaws.
People have every right to defend the Secretary of State. I choose to defend America, and we are not China…yet!
Reverend Amy researched and wrote about California’s immigration law, and notice that is Boxer, Feinstein territory.
Arizona is bearing the brunt of the assault from both the invaders and the federal government.
This is politics at it’s worst. Putting a spotlight on Arizona is a reckless, immoral attempt to create and solidify a democratic voting Hispanic majority.
I reject their concept of my country, and am disgusted by their actions!

EllenD It was Samantha Power who called Hillary a monster—–and samantha is  in the administration.

That he was a thief, murderer and general bully, but that US Gov’t turned a very blind eye to his horseshit to keep Clark AFB and Subic Bay.

Guiness Book of Records, per Chalmers Johnson, had him listed as the biggest thief in the world.

You didn’t think that Benigno Aquino actually slipped and fell to his death getting off an airplane, did you?

America is ALWAYS in bed with some murderous scumbags. Chiang Kai-shek (et ux), Saddam Hussein, Reza Pahlavi, Pinochet, The Colonels in Greece…

That, in itself, doesn’t make us Bad Guys. It does mean that gigging one bunch of foreigners for “Human Rights” abuses while tolerating and fostering bad behavior among others, simply because they have oil, bananas or a handy place to build a base is supremely hypocritical.

lorac—- This is deeper and more profound than an ordinary disagreement. It cuts to the core of one’s philosophy. By staying in the administration she is CONDONING it.
,

lorac— and what could be MORE meaningful than for Hillary to stand  up and tell us that she cannot support this President any longer! Now THAT would be meaningful! 

well, as a long-time Hillary supporter I decided to read the actual report.  RRR Amy provided a link not to the report itself, but to a media report on the report.   That in and of itself speaks volumes about what is going on here.   Read the report yourselves people.  READ IT.   I realize now just how easy it is to get people to group-think.  If you want to have an opinion about this please, educate yourselves and don’t allow anyone else to read or interpret the report for you. 

“A recent Arizona law, S.B. 1070, has generated significant attention and debate at home and around the world. The issue is being addressed in a court action that argues that the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law. That action is ongoing; parts of the law are currently enjoined.”

That’s it people.  Or would the more appropriate term be “SHEEPLE”?

I don’t read anything in there that would cause the type of indignation and pile-on that I am reading here in these comments. 

You know, this is exactly why Obama is President now.  People allowed someone else to do their thinking and interpreting for them.  Wake up everyone.

They certainly have one thing in common, Docelder.
Both have supporters who are not clear-eyed and objective!

lorac—-But why is Hillary IN this administration in the first place??? Why did she go work for this chronic sexist?!

She’s acting like an abused wife, much more than when Bill humiliated her. It’s very sad to watch!

>>>  America was a better place then, when Men were Men and women were secretaries. 

Everyone can help break a cycle. My granny was the first woman to drive and vote in her family. Me sainted mum was the first to vote without asking anyone with a Y chromosome HOW to vote. 

For her 12th birthday, I gave my (now 40 year old) daughter a bracelet that is inscribed:

You can beat any man in any land,
At any game that he can name,
For any amount that he can count.

I know it may be a bit difficult for you to understand confloyd but everyone that disagree with you about SoS Clinton, as well as other things, isn’t automatically a Republican.

I disagree with you and I’m not. I’m now an Independent after being a Democrat for 40+ years. I voted for a Republican for President for the first time in my life in protest of what was done to Hillary Clinton and her supporters on May 31st, 2008.

I was disappointed when she joined the Obama Administration. I believed then and still believe that it was because she is a political junkie and couldn’t stand to not be part of the process. I thought she would do it better as a Senator rather than as one of Obama’s minions.

That’s where I am now. The State Department had no reason to even mention Arizona. And once P.J. Crowley confirmed it that meant, to me that SoS Clinton was okay with it. It she is not then she is not in control of her own department.

Yes there are problems all over the world and a SoS has to deal with them. SoS Clinton is known as a hard worker as well as a very smart woman. I’m sure she can “multi-task”.

If Sos Clinton didn’t “see” what Obama was she isn’t as smart as we thought she was. If she “saw” what he was and joined his Administration as an underling anyway then what are we to think? That she thought she could do what she thought best instead of what he and his minions wanted? She’s way too smart for that.

Being a hard worker is only beneficial if the “work” being done benefits the people of this country. Some of us don’t think that this incident does that. For that you seem to be willing to insult us and act pretty much like an obot.

If you still support Hillary Clinton that’s your right. Just don’t think you have some right to attack and demean those that no longer can do so.

And stop with the “rethug” for everyone that disagrees with you. You shouldn’t tell others to grow up until you do the same.

I agree eyelets!
The dead bodies are stacking up like cordword, but the focus is on Arizona’s legislature and citizenry.

Hillary hate dies hard.

Yes, catherine, but Hillary love dies harder.

_~JustMe~    OUCH!!! LOL

binthemidwest——— If you want to understand why many of us are upset over the sate dept’s report, you must read the paragraph preceeding paragraph 95 and the succeeding paragraph, # 96, to put the mention of “Arizona” and it’s law in perspective. You really must do that, if you are to understand what the fuss is all about.

“Jews” were mentioned in the Magna Carta……..  because ”Jews” were singled out, did that mean that the English at that time must have really liked and supported the Jews?

Brewer’s a little short on flash.  That may account for her lackluster ratings before immigration shot to the fore.  But Arizonans found out that she was long on substance. 

I don’t know that I’d want Jan Brewer in the White House but she seems perfectly suited for the role she’s playing now.

Yes, Cindy, the context of the cited paragraph is everything.  It’s a big mistake.

Oa:  “The more wild, nasty, and insane the progressives get regarding a particular conservative is a good indicator that that candidate is the one we want…”

Well, that’s a no-brainer, Oa.  Nobody makes them froth at the mouth like Sarah Palin.

Basically, the brief document trumpets “Obama” 17 times, twice citing his Nobel lecture.  It’s a bunch of shameless grandstanding: Thee One, Obama the Great,  is what counts; the country?  Not so much.  Arizona is a brief example of the inhumane impulses that Thee One will diligently strive to control.

Gotcha, jbjd — this “DiploSpeak” is so annoying because it all seems to be saying absolutely nothing when in fact there are powerful subtext statements that are then acted upon by who knows who in the absence of any transparency whatsoever for us poor saps who have no power over anything. 

Catherine — please see posts by jbjd and myself upstream about the wording ….

oowawa—you’ve noticed I’ve made this argument several times on this thread.  I’m spent.
 And I just don’t understand why Hillary should get a pass on a profoundly egregious report that has come from her  Dept. of State.

Thank you Cindy, and I understand the frustration!
For me, it comes down to the Secretary of State’s oath of office to defend the citizens of this country.
The lawsuits against Arizona and exploiting them in the eyes of the world is wrong on every ethical level, imho!

Bullshit.  It singles out one state.  The “praise” you’re claiming it contains is nothing more than a smoke screen for the implicit condemnation. 

Cindy, because it is NOT “her” State Department. It is Obama’s. She gets to run it as he wants it run. I’d have preferred that she didn’t take the job, but she did and I’m sure she has good reasons for doing so, possible that the Obots would have called her “bitter” and “divisive” and not doing anything to help the country and a “bad loser”, etc, etc. In any job, one does things one doesn’t like. If we all quit our jobs whenever we had to do something we didn’t like the unemployment numbers would be much higher. Sometimes you just have to suck it up. 

I just hope this isn’t some twisted propaganda from FOX for the purpose of turning all Hillary people away from her and push them toward a Republican candidate.  It’s interesting to me the people who actually read the document and did not see what FOX is claiming.

“Sometimes you just have to suck it up . . . ”

An unfortunate but suggestive expression, in this context.  We don’t want Hillary to suck it up and be Obama’s toady.  As you suggest, she shouldn’t have taken the job.

“Sometimes you just have to suck it up . . . ”

An unfortunate but suggestive expression, in this context.  We don’t want Hillary to suck it up and be Obama’s toady.  You would have “preferred that she didn’t take the job,” and IMHO your preference was correct.

I didn’t read all of the comments, but I worry that this move to hassle Arizona is the beginning of a campaign to try to strong-arm states into shape, to make them afraid to exercise their individual rights. 

I may not like all of the moves that states make, but it is their right to exercsie their rights wihtout being threatened by this Big Brother administration.

“a campaign to try to strong-arm states into shape,”

You’re right, Tricia.  Thee One is flexing his brawny biceps.  Good luck with that!  This is the United States of America!

Sandi78—I have a family member who works as an undersec’y on 7th floor with Hillary.
She is Sec’y of State;ergo, it is her Department. And yes, Obama is her boss because he apointed her and she accepted. With that acceptance, came responsibility for what comes out of State Dept.

tricia—I believe you are right about the states. What’s happening is scary and disgusting.

Funny, I don’t remember anyone on the left giving Condi Rice the same kind of understanding.

I think if you read the actual report rather than the spin surrounding it, you’ll find there’s nothing particularly inflammatory in the text.  There’s really no there, there. 

The Arizonia law is mentioned in the immigration section as an example of an issue that has garnered a lot of attention and that those concerns are being addressed by the courts [which is what civilized societies do].  A court case in Texas is mentioned earlier in the report, where a young student won his case to wear a braid to school, complying to his family’s religious beliefs.

If anything, this is a positive progress report on America’s commitment to individual rights, our use of the courts rather than violence to settle disputes and the example we can, in fact, set for other nations [who, btw, have traditonally griped that the US is too quick to criticize other countries without addressing our own struggles with basic civil rights].

Now had I listened only to Governor Brewer’s complaints, I would have expected to see Arizonia singled out as a human rights abuser.  That simply isn’t the case.

Much to do about nothing, methinks. If anything, the report underscores our country’s enduring mission: “to form a more perfect Union.” And admits, not in derogatory or scolding language, that our mission is dedicated and on-going. Or as Hillary Clinton said, a quote included in the report:

“Democracies demonstrate their greatness not by insisting they’re perfect, but by using their institutions and principles to make themselves . . . more perfect.” 

Personally?  I have no argument with that.

Portions of Arizona’s law were upheld by a federal judge, and the issue is far from settled.
To inject them in this document is premature, and if Arizona eventually prevails, this administration will be further discredited.

I’ve googled this one seven ways to Sunday.  The only thing I can find is Spain’s comment.

NQ readers know better than to accept something like this as fact without citation.  I don’t think that comment should have been repeated here.

LMAO!

“One world government”…

Can you imagine what would be left of us if that came to pass?  After that “one world government” had finished leveling the playing field between the US and Bangladesh our standard of living would look like that in Mexico.

“and she accepted. With that acceptance, came responsibility for what comes out of State Dept.”

I would rephrase slightly: “With that acceptance, came the blame for whatever comes out of the State Dept., even if the idea originated with Obama.  She is to absorb the blame if something goes wrong, but never the credit if something goes well.  The credit will go to Obama.”

I agree, yttik.  There’s nothing in this report to substantiate the flash outrage.  We’re merely admitting we aren’t perfect but can, in fact, serve as an example to other countries as a society that has continuously progressed in honoring the dignity of the individual.

I’m not sure how anyone can find fault with that.   

I agree, Rosa.  There are far too many people looking for a “gotcha” moment when it comes to Hillary Clinton.  This particular argument falls apart once you read the report.  

There’s simply no there, there. 

~~Cindy~~
 I’m spent…. Draining ugh!

Amy,

I share your disappointment with Hillary.  It just doesn’t make sense that she would willingly agree to this action.  We give so much leeway to the boyz for the many mistakes and questionable decisions they make, I think it’s only fair to give Hillary some leeway here too.  By that I mean, perhaps, she was “told” that she had to go along with this decision because obama’s Attorney General had already filed a lawsuit against AZ.  It’s clear that the obama administration has it in for AZ because they are inteferring with their plan to push for amnesty in order to build a greater voting block of Hispanics for the democrat party. 

Has any SOS blatantly and publicly disagreed with a president’s political position on something of this nature before?  If not, why are we holding Hillary to a higher standard than we have with other SOS’s.   Frankly, she is simply doing the president’s bidding, just like all the other SOS’s have done in the past, except, they weren’t attacked, but the president was, when the public did not agree with the policy.  I think this should be taken into account, before everybody judges her harshly and writes her off!  I’ve had enough of double standards since the 2008 primary to last a life time!!

Something else to consider.  Imagine how much better it is that she is SOS instead of Biden or Kerry, and is part of the peace talks going on now between Israel and Palestine. 

Exactly.  You read the report and there’s nothing there, other than a positive progress report on America’s commitment and dedication to human rights and how we serve as an example to the rest of the world.  There is no position taken on the Arizonia law, simply an acknowledgement of the facts on the ground.

I admit – I finally took down the photo of Hilalry I ahd at my blog.  Hurt my heart to do it, but she has made her decision with whom she stands, and it is Obama.  After all he said and did to her, she is pushing his agenda.  That cannot be denied any longer.

And as for the report, yes, it does not FLAT OUT say that AZ is a human rights violator, but if you look above, at the context of it, it is quite clear, isn’t it, given that it is mentioned the Fed. gov’t has filed against it, that the law AZ passed is troubling.  It IS in a Human Rights report, after all, and in a section on Immigration.  Why else put it in there, especially since it is an ongoing legal action, unless to make a statement abt it?  (Sorry – that was convoluted, wasn’t it?)

Brewer’s a little short on flash.
Look what “Flash” brought us!
What happened to having your feet firmly on the floor and putting the citizens and the state first?

Brewer’s a little short on flash.
Look what “Flash” brought us!
What happened to having your feet firmly on the floor and putting the citizens and the state first?

I see your point, Kathleen.  And yes, I would rather have her there for these talks than anyone else.  I don’t know that any other Secretarys of State have publicly disagreed with the president, and maybe what was written was whittled down from what Obama WANTED said, I don’t know. 

But honestly, it is getting harder and harder to see her carry water for him.  Maybe that’s it.  Thanks for the comment.

Well said, RR and Cindy – yes, that is it.  And the sections are now in the body of this post.

lorac, yes – sorry for the delay.  I might add, not including the link in the first place was in no way meant to hinder full discussion.  I thought Crowley stated fully what the statement was abt AZ, but I am happy to include the link to the report, and 94 – 96 of the report, which includes the AZ provision.

Brewer’s a little short on flash.  
Look what “Flash” brought us!  
Thank goodness she has her feet firmly on the floor and putting the citizens and the state first! 

confloyd – you must be new to NQ.  MANY of us were ardent Hillary Clinton supporters.  We gave tons of money, worked the phone banks, went to her rallies, stood by her 1000% even when she conceded prior to and at the convention before the votes were cast.  I don’t think you will find too many Obama supporters here – and those would be the only ones you could fault for where our country is right now.  Obama, and the Dems who have controlled Congress for 4 yrs now…

creeper, even if given amnesty, the illegals have no way of becoming citizens for at least 7 years. So thinking they are “new voters” is really jumping the gun. Obama doesn’t do things for other Democrats, in case you hadn’t noticed, and he will be long out of office before any of the amnestied illegals gain citizenship and are eligible to vote. He is doing this to negatively impact the economy, not because he loves his little brown brothers. He is doing this to destroy the United States, not to enhance the Democrats voting base. He couldn’t care less about his fellow Democrats, remember the election campaign?? He wouldn’t share his email list with them, and turned down their requests for some of the money he raised for his own campaign. And out of $750 MILLION he probably had a few spare dollars he could have thrown their way, but he refused to do so. So don’t attribute anything he does to loyalty to the Dem party, or to anyone. He doesn’t do loyalty, never has. He does loyalty to himself, and that’s it. Illegals are one, if not the main, reason that CA is going broke. They spend ONE BILLION dollars a year on housing, education, health care and welfare for illegal immigrants. That’s ONE BILLION DOLLARS spent on people who shouldn’t be here in the first place. If he can get the other states to have to spend that much, they will go broke too, or at least go broke faster than they already are. That puts the Federal government in a much better position to exert control over the states. The Feds would have the states by their wallets, which is always a good way to control someone. Ask any parent who has cut or suspended the allowance for a misbehaving child. It works.

Yes, as elections are getting closer I have noticed the change of of how they talk about SOS to suit their purposes.  Not reading information is just like the people not reading the bills they pass.            When it was strictly to attack obama ,they were praising Hillary, now as it gets closer to the time when she may be a candidate they are back to old tricks. Before obama got into this process they attacked the Clintons in the most hate driven ways .      There are some exceptions that we know have been fair .  Some others are quick to go along with the distorting of facts  and I am surprised of the tactics of belittling of women on here that some use because they disagree.

Excellent point, Tricia.  Thanks for that.

Great discussion, everyone!

This harping about this subject remiinds me of the dems nagging Hillary to give up in her primary.  I think the problem with both parties right now is that she is the best candidate for president.

Hillary to give up in the primary.

Check this out draw your own conclusions!
Global Citizens
 
                Talbott, a former columnist for Time magazine, wrote a column entitled “The Birth of the Global Nation,” arguing that in the next century “nationhood as we know it will be obsolete,” that we would all some day become world citizens, and that wars and human rights violations in the 20th century had clinched “the case for world government.” [21] 
                Hillary Clinton and Strobe Talbott had been friends at Yale University. [22]
                In his message to the group, dated June 22, 1993, Bill Clinton noted that Norman Cousins, the WFA founder, had “worked for world peace and world government.” Clinton didn’t disagree with those goals, adding, “Best wishes…for future success.” So when Hillary Clinton gave her video-taped address there can be no doubt that she was aware of its pro-world government orientation.
                Mrs. Clinton’s address was delivered in the context of commending Walter Cronkite, the former anchorman of the CBS Evening News, and the WFA. Cronkite, who received the WFA’s 1999 global governance award, declared that “we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government” and that America must “yield up some of our sovereignty.” [23] Mrs. Nane Annan, the Swedish wife of the U.N. Secretary-General, was among those honoring Cronkite.

this attacking of Hillary on this subject reminds me of the dems nagging her to quit the primary.

I really thing both parties know she is the best candidate for president and agian she has both sides attacking her.

Your mention of Chiang Kai-shek reminds me of a conversation I had some years ago when he died, and some fool was saying what a big hero he was, and how he promoted democracy. I pointed out that Taiwan had been under martial law for 48 years at that time and martial law does not make for promoting democracy. It’s how you get and maintain absolute power. And my grandfather was in China when the Nationalists were fighting the Japanese and Mao, he was an AP reporter with the Nationalist Army. He told me that Chiang was more interested in profiting from taking down the warlords than he was in fighting the Japanese. Chiang’s nickname among Foreign Service people was “Generalissimo Cash-my-Check”. Pretty much tells you what sort of person Chiang Kai-shek was, in my opinion.

FlDemFem, what’s to prevent the Feds from making “legal” immigrants eligible to vote, as Maine is attempting to do?

confloyd, you seem to have confused No Quarter with Daily Kos. Here at NQ we sounded the alarm loud and clear while the caucuses were going on. We had members reporting back on the violations and abuses, the people bussed in from out of state, the pre-filled out caucus sheets, the bullies who blocked the precinct access and told people it was an “Obama precinct” and that Hillary voters couldn’t vote there. We even had members trying to get the MSM involved in reporting the fraud and cheating. No luck. Perhaps you should look at the top of the page to determine what blog you are on before spewing out your accusations. Just a suggestion!!

Not only could she have resigned, but she knew his agenda before accepting the job of SOS.  She should have never agreed to carry his water from the get go.  Hillary is politically savvy, she knew she would become attached to his policies upon accepting the position.  And don’t forget that Bill is out there carrying his water also.  Though on occassion Bill has supported a different candidate, but has not disagreed with Obutt’s policies.  Very disappointed, but they both go into the no vote column now.  I will not vote for anyone of any party that has voted YEA on any of Obutt’s policies.

Dangit – I accidentally deleted a comment I made above.  Sorry abt that since I was just trying to mention a typo I made,  Sheesh!  Anyway – I was thanking Cindy in it…

binthemidwest, I read the excerpt before I commented but, reading this specific narrative about AZ wasn’t actually necessary to form the opinions expressed in my comments because I had already read the name of the report in which it appeared.  Is mention of the situation with AZ inapposite to the issue of human rights in the U.S.?  Yes, having read up on these issues, including scrutinized the court filings, jbjd concludes, it is.  Should HRC be held accountable for perpetuating this tie-in between AZ’s conduct and human rights abuses?  Yes.  Do my opinions as expressed here mean, I have not considered the ’cause and effect’ of her conduct as SoS in the Obama Administration?  No.

Of course, that’s true, taken out of context.  It’s the context that is so damning.

Rosa, what in the world do you mean, “they are back to their old tricks”?  Are you talking abt Fox, or us?  I might add, Fox News was abt the ONLY news source that actually treated Hillary with any respect.  The other ones were horrible to her.

And really – what are the chances that Hillary would run AGAINST Obama in 2012?  Slim and none.  She cannot both go around claiming to support his programs NOW and then act like she didn’t.  At least not retain any credibility, that is.  MANY of us would not vote for Obama even if she was his VP selection next time around. 

So, I am not sure what you and My Site are thinking will happen next time around, but I seriously doubt Hillary will be running for ANYTHING in 2012.  Obama is doing plenty enough by himself to turn voters away – without any help from Fox.

Bingo!

In many states the only id required to vote is a driver’s license and to mark the box on the registration form stating you are a citizen.  Acorn and MoveOn and other “get out the vote” groups point this out to illegals and register them.

Excellent point, Tricia.  Thanks for that.  

Considering other states already have more severe immigration laws (like CA, for example), it continues to beg the question why the Fed is going after AZ, much less mention it at ALL in this report, doesn’t it?

Great discussion, everyone!

Way cool!  Hey kafir, I’ve detected just a hint of an accent in your writing; I was going to ask–oh, never mind.  It’s fine to remain mysterious . . .

I wrote a previous comment expressing extreme doubt over this “citation” from a comment by Gordon DeSpain, and it seems to have disappeared.  This needs to be said.  DeSpain’s comment is bogus!  Prove me wrong, and I’ll eat my humble pie meekly . . .

The Constitution says that you have to be a citizen to vote. There is no getting around that. The Supreme Court will settle Maine’s hash if they try to get non-citizens voting. It’s un-Constitutional and in a way that is not open to interpretation. It clearly says that only citizens have the right to vote. The rest of the Constitution refers to “persons” when listing rights and such. Only in the part where the eligibility for office and voting are put forth is the word “citizen” used.

a comment and it seems to have disappeared.

Just happened to me oowawa and then it was back!! Thought my eyes had gone funny

If they mark the box, then they should be required to prove that they are citizens, especially if their English is minimal or non-existant. Checking on citizenship for voters is not discrimination, or racial profiling, it is fulfilling the Constitutional requirement for voter eligibility. Which requires that all voters be citizens.

In sane world you would think proof would be required, but nay we are not living in a sane country at this point in time.  Most states have made it illegal to require proof of citizenship at the polling place, and the registrars offices do not bother to check citizenship.

The state and local police force can enforce federal immigration law.  I was pretty sure they could but I looked it up just to make sure.  I am not sure what the catalyst for the state to feel it needed to make it’s own law. Perhaps there was a brutal incident. Or, perhaps out of desperation and/or to prove a point.  

Whatever the reason, by just mentioning Arizona passively but specifically in a Human Right’s paper indicates that Obama is willing to go for the jugular over this and make sure that no other state challenges him.  It is his exact M.O.

kafir, as this is for the most part a self-policing blog, I would hope that you have achieved sufficient jollies by now that you are predisposed to removing your blatantly misogynistic comment.  Otherwise, you might forget; and your daughter/wife/mother might some day be directed to view the posting that captures the contempt in which they are held by their son/husband/father.

The state and local police force can enforce federal immigration law.  I was pretty sure they could but I looked it up just to make sure.  I am not sure what the catalyst for the state to feel it needed to make it’s own law. Perhaps there was a brutal incident. Or, perhaps out of desperation and/or to prove a point.  

Whatever the reason, by just mentioning Arizona passively but specifically in a Human Right’s paper (along with the lawsuits) indicates that Obama is willing to go for the jugular over this and to make sure that no other state challenges him.  It is his same old  M.O.  that has proven to be effective. 

Silly people just being mentioned in a Human Rights Report is an underhanded way of sticking it to the state of Az.  That type of action was at one time beneath Hillary.  Now she is like a wandering lost soul not able to stand for her own beliefs.  This is the toxic effect of Obama.  All who “stand with him is polluted by him”.  As an AA I always defended Hillary and was incensed when the Obama nuts accused her and Bill of being racists by slander, innuendoes, and outright lies.  This is the final straw.  Now I just pity her because she has truly lost her way.  Az does not merit being even mentioned in this type of Human Rights report and if we Hillary fans were truly honest we would  admit that.

It is the GRATUITOUS mention of AZ in the report, and as jbjd said, the context.  What was the point of themmentioning AZ?  CA has far more severe laws re: immigration, but you don’t see any lawsuits against them, or mention in a Human Rights report. 

The way in which AZ is mentioned is the problem, as well as it being mentioned at all (what, they really had to mention that they had a suit against AZ, but couldn’t say anything because they had a suit against them??).

I might add, my lack of a link initially was in no way to muddy the waters.  Most people here are fully capable of performing their own search – I simply didn’t think abt it at the time (raging headache, as already noted).  Just saying.

It is the GRATUITOUS mention of AZ in the report, and as jbjd said, the context.  What was the point of themmentioning AZ?  CA has far more severe laws re: immigration, but you don’t see any lawsuits against them, or mention in a Human Rights report. 

The way in which AZ is mentioned is the problem, as well as it being mentioned at all (what, they really had to mention that they had a suit against AZ, but couldn’t say anything because they had a suit against them??).

I might add, my lack of a link initially was in no way to muddy the waters.  Most people here are fully capable of performing their own search – I simply didn’t think abt it at the time (raging headache, as already noted).  Just saying.

But there is a very big gap between this video and the claims made in the DeSpain comment.  If Hillary had ever made the claim asserted in DeSpain’s comment, she NEVER would have been considered for national office:

“If I ever become President of “The United States,” my first official act will be  to surrender sovereignty over the “United States of America” to the United  Nations.”   

That’s so ludicrous, it’s laughable, and anyone with a video of that statement would have reamed her unmercifully with it and sent her packing in short order. 

Let’s not make things up.  If someone has this video, which according to DeSpain, was on “the first page of the United Nations website,” please produce it–or shall we start a tin-hat theory of how the evil Clinton campaign managed to destroy all existing copies . . .  Sheesh!

Then don’t do it at the polling place. Make the required document at the polling place be the voter registration card. And to get that, you should have to prove you are eligible to vote, ie. a citizen.

I hear you oowawa!

I hear you oowawa! Always good to hear/see what is out there!

Cindy, I wouldn’t have trusted anyone else with SOS position.  Who would you rather have in there,,,Richardson, Kerry, Edwards, Dean?  I would rather have her in this vital position than anyone else.

Well, Rev. Amy–Thee One figures he can man-up and kick Jan Brewer’s butt; not so sure about Arnold . . .  (But my money’s on Jan . . . )

Bitter irony.  My mother was the first female radio operator for Trans Canada Airways circa the early 1940s, at a time when radio was considered to be “to technical” for a woman to handle.

Mr. Natural, there’s a lot about Philippine politics you don’t know.  But this is not the place for further discussion on that subject.

The only time I will give up on Hillary is if she personally comes out in support of the mosque at ground zero. 

Rosie may have been the Riveter, and there were a lot of Wendy Welders building Liberty and Victory ships. Nevada even had Magnesium Maggies working at Basic Metals. 

My granny was a machinist. Taught me, among other things, the violin, how to set up a lathe and read a micrometer.

This was even more ironic when contrasted to the fact that her husband couldn’t put the top on a bottle of Four Roses without cross-threading it.

The history of female telegraphers (not necessarily radio operators) in the US goes back to just before the War of the Rebellion (1861-1865)*, although, as a practice I suspect it may have been partly motivated by trying to get the wages down.

* Please note that I did NOT say, “War for Southern Independence.” That would have been rayciss ‘n shit…

I can not wait untill November!

Of course they were welcome, they had visas!!

Cindy,

By now, we all should know that no matter what Hillary does, she will be blamed, attacked and vilified.  No woman is EVER going be given the same standards as a man in the same position, making the same decisions.

Obviously, we haven’t learned a thing about the double standard imposed on any woman, for any reason, since the horrid 2008 primary when two accomplished women were treated like a punching bag by anyone who disagreed with them.

I refuse to condemn Hillary for becoming SOS, because had she refused, she would have been attacked as a sore loser; if she refuses to support obama’s policies which her supporters don’t like, they attack her and not obama. 

It was Hillary who gave the heads-up to AZ when she talked about the lawsuit about to be filed by the DOJ in an interview.  I suspect she was called on the carpet for that because we all know Hillary doesn’t have a habit of saying something controversial by “accident”.

We have a corrupt government and powerful forces who put obama in the WH against the express will of the people.  Does anyone honestly think Hillary’s carreer would remain intact if she openly defied obama at this juncture?  Get real. 

Also, if she were to retire now, do you really believe the MSM and the forces behind obama would not go after her should she speak openly against the obama administration?  They would make certain that she never got into office again, because they also control the elections (which was clearly evident considering who won both the 2000 2004 general elections).  They easily stopped her from getting the nomination and the presidency, so do you really believe they’ve lost the power to stop her again? 

Could we put aside the double standard against Hillary for a moment and think of what she is up against?  Based on the latest poll numbers for obama, it appears to me that given enough rope, the obama administration is going to hang itself and come 2012, if he continues to go downhill like he is now, I bet Hillary will be the one everyone will want to run for the presidency.  It would be one of the most historic, if not THE, most historic race in our country’s history on so many levels.

I still believe in Hillary.

Is this really the issue you want Hillary to fall on her sword for?  We don’t know everything she knows or what she is working on that impact the set of priorities she has to consider every moment, every single day that impacts the country.  The same standards should be applied to her as to every other govt. official, including Barack Obama.  I am not willing to penalize her (in my mind at least) on the surface of things, especially in an environment where we can’t really verify the sources, media or govt.  I can only say that based on her public record of accomplishments, I can still trust her to do what is right, or the less bad in the circumstances affecting her decisions.

well said felizarte!

This administration has proven time and time again what it thinks of the Constitution.

RRRAmy – I missed this post last week when I was loggerblocked with work.  I actually looked for a posting on this subject, but didn’t have enough time.

Like you, this truly bothered me – that Hillary would do something like this.  First of all, this seems like an unlikely issue for the *State Dept*.  What a stretch to put it in a report to the UN???  I don’t get it! 

As soon as I heard this my first thought was the comment written here on NQ on another topic, but fits here (sorry I can’t give credit to the commenter):  Something to the effect, “They (0 admin) are making sure Hillary is given tasks that would make it nearly impossible for her to walk it back” (an insurance policy to make sure she can’t run against thee one) – meaning, things like the very subject of this post.  So true. 

But, I will say, if she is being coersed into these things that she does not fully support, that would be grounds for resigning and explanation enough. 

It is very difficult for me to believe this is for real.  PJ Crowley is 100% on the 0bama bandwagon, so who knows whether he has more loyalty to them or Hillary.  I just hope to hell she didn’t hire him!  I suspect he has been there. 

I understand what “My site” is saying about FoxNews.  Yes, they gave Hillary a fair shake *after* they realized she was in what appeared to be a huge fight for the nomination – prefering her to 0.  Before that, not so much.  Since it has come out recently that Hillary may run against 0 in 2012, their sniping about the Clintons has increased.  I had the same thoughts as My Site. 

If Hillary were to run, we may have no where to go for news but the internet.  Despite the fact FoxNews now thankfully has an on-going investigation of the primary and election fraud, I have said for a long time Fox did not investigate the primary of 2008 and all the reports they received on the caucus fraud, etc., because they are afraid it would help Hillary.  They want a conservative and that usually means republican, regardless of their “fair and balanced” claims.  

In the case of the AZ/UN situation, I don’t think Fox has blown this up, but I do think there is a possibility that she has been burdened with doing things to support 0bama – enough that she can be tainted with the same criticism he is having to take.