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Dumbstruck Dems * Open Thread

Check this out from Bloomberg News on August 30, 2010 (Update: I’ve added a video of the interview at the end.)

Political newcomer Joe Miller, a Tea Party-endorsed Senate candidate [said] that politicians backed by the movement simply want to “restore the constitutional foundation of the country.”

Miller said the Constitution favors his support for privatizing Social Security and phasing out Medicare.

“If one thinks that the Constitution is extreme then you’d also think that the founders are extreme,” he said on the CBS “Face the Nation” program. “We just simply want to get back to basics.”

Holy moley. The Dems are not just fightin’ a bunch of feisty, Constitution-quotin’ Tea Partiers. The Dems are also fightin’ the resurgence of the heroes and heroines of Western movies, brought to life with characters like the shotgun-totin’, pretty-as-all-get-out Sarah Palin and her ridin’ partner, the manly oh so manly Joe Miller.

One of those visuals could be enough to trample the Dems. The two visuals together are like the dynamite that blasted mountain after mountain to pave the way West, connecting the West to the rest of the country and bringing electricity and water to every region of the once distant and parched Wild West.

We Americans are desperate to feel potent and powerful again. It’s no wonder we Americans are transfixed by these new rough-and-ready cowboys and cowgirls.

Carly Fiorini is leading Barbara Boxer in most polls. Joe Sestak is now down 10 points in the Pennsylvania Senate race. And Dino Rossi has pulled ahead of Patty Murray in Washington state. (See my footnote below about Rossi/Murray.*)

Congress is going to look, and sound, a whole lot different next year. We may all find ourselves tuning into C-Span to watch those fiery freshmen start to mow down Obama’s health care bill and more.

Here’s quite the pull-no-punches story in, of all places, a San Francisco newspaper: “A big wave is headed Nancy Pelosi’s way and few places to duck“:

The news just keeps getting worse for Democrats as the Labor Day weekend marks the final, formal heat in the race to November. The Cook Political Report is now saying 70 — that’s 70 with a seven — House seats are in jeopardy. The Gallup poll is showing a 10-point spread on the generic ballot favoring the GOP.

Republicans need to win 39 to retake the House just two short years after Democrats swept to the giddiest heights of power in Washington: a young fresh leader in the White House, a filibuster-proof Senate, and a powerful House majority led by San Francisco’s own liberal champion, Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This November is shaping up as a wave election, and Pelosi is too far from shore to scramble to safety, and not far enough out to duck the big one heading her way. Nothing Democrats do in the next two months is going to bring the unemployment rate down. Period.

If Pelosi finds herself handing the gavel to House Republican leader John Boehner in January, it would be a miracle if she is not at least challenged as leader of the new minority Democrats. She is already being dissed in the hinterlands by terrified House moderates and conservatives who are trying desperately to show their independence.

What could really hurt Pelosi is this: her most loyal allies are the longest-serving members, the old bulls who fell from power in 1994 and suffered 12 long, unforgettable years in the GOP wilderness. Watch them retire in droves at the prospect of living through that again.

As ecstatic as they were when Obama took office, they know full well what faces the administration with GOP control of the Hill. …

Get this Joe Miller guy. What a candidate.

He beat incumbent U.S. Lisa Murkowski (R-AL), even though she “had 20 times the money” that Miller did, reports the Wall Street Journal. Murkowski voted against Obamacare, but she still got mowed under. She has the privileges of incumbency, which help states enormously in getting the federal contracts and monies that states — particularly under-populated, isolated states like Alaska — depend on. AND SHE STILL GOT BEAT.

Now riding into November, Joe Miller is already six points ahead of Democratic candidate Scott McAdams, a far better-known Alaskan who is mayor of Sitka.

Joe Miller’s handsome visage and his bio remind me somewhat of Scott Brown, who literally shook the world when he won “the Kennedy Senate seat” in Massachusetts. (You may recall the prominent news stories on Brown’s win in newspapers from the UK to the Mid-East to Southeast Asia. The entire world was transfixed by the astonishing upside-down victory of Scott Brown and what it said about the state of the American people’s fury and desperation about the conditions in Washington, D.C.)

You should check out the fascinating study and bio of Miller in the Washington Post: “Tea party’s Joe Miller: What he plans if Alaska sends him to Washington.” Here’s a snippet — this is a bit longer than I usually like to offer up from a printed article, because of etiquette and as recognition of the money it costs newspapers to create excellent articles like this one — but I am sure you’ll want to keep reading and will visit the Washington Post site to read it all:

FAIRBANKS, ALASKA – The people who live in the farther-flung cities of this farthest-flung state take a frontier pride in their physical and cultural distance from the cushy “Lower 48.” Many will tell you that they are especially wary of the federal government’s attempts to regulate the way they live. But this wariness had always been matched by the strong desire here to make sure their representatives in Washington kept millions of federal dollars flowing into their underdeveloped state.

Which makes it all the more curious that Alaska’s next U.S. senator is likely to be political novice Joe Miller, a “tea party” hero with an uncompromising view that government spending is out of control and has to stop – even if that means Alaska gets less.

Miller’s win in the Republican primary left the rest of the country – including shocked political handicappers and the Senate GOP leadership – asking: “Who is this guy?”

Like many Alaskans, Miller, 43, came from somewhere else. He grew up in Kansas, the son of a minister and bookstore owner. As a kid, he had a passion for hunting – deer, pheasant, quail – and military history.

In an interview, he recalled dressing up as Gen. Lafayette for a parade commemorating the nation’s bicentennial in 1976. He was accepted to all three service academies and chose West Point. “The best decision I could’ve made,” he said.

“I developed a real affinity for the founders and what they stood for, the sacrifice they made on behalf of their country, and that really had staying power,” he said.

Miller left the Army to attend law school at Yale, where a professor who knew him well recalled a passionate, conservative young man who could have found a place at any East Coast law firm but chose instead to move to Alaska for a semester-long internship.

“It was unusual for students at Yale,” said George Priest, the professor. “Yale, given its stature, makes entry into the Eastern legal establishment much more available than other schools. Miller was a smart guy. He could have clerked on courts on the East Coast if he wanted. He could have done extremely well going back to his home in Kansas. Instead, he’s a real adventurer. He wanted to strike out and go to this frontier and make a name for himself.”

Miller recalled the allure of Alaska this way: “It was the love of the outdoors; the big, wide open spaces; the rustic, hard-core environment you’ve got up here – all of it attracted me.”

Miller and his wife, Kathleen, have eight children (two are from her previous marriage), and they live on 20 acres about 15 miles outside Fairbanks. He hunts elk with his sons, and his beard, which seems perpetually to be one week from coming in, evokes the plaid-shirted Brawny paper towel man. … READ ALL.

It is clear that Miller is one smart guy. Damn well educated too, and at West Point and Yale (!). But those elite environments didn’t change him. It is evident that he has a unequivocal sense of who he is and what he stands for, to which he is unflinchingly loyal.

And he has the looks to go with his character. In other words, he’s fascinating. But he’s not colorful, and he’s not kooky like Sharron Angle. He’s got brains and a hell of a lot of knowledge, including military experience, to go with his hardcore principles.

I have no doubt that he’ll win in November. Last night I watched his opponent Scott McAdams bumble through an interview and sighed … besides being inarticulate, he was hoplessly vague and uncertain of his own views. Miller will mow over McAdams just like he sprang out of NOWHERE to now down Lisa Murkowski, despite her legendary political status in Alaska, all her money, and her crucial status in the U.S. Senate. All that Miller had lacked was visibility, but Sarah Palin’s endorsement took care of that little problem.

Some of his views make me shudder — especially his views on Social Security and Medicare. He’s as extreme as Nevada GOP senate candidate Sharron Angle, but he is a far smarter, savvy candidate than she.

He’s just one vote out of one hundred. He’ll be a newbie with few privileges. His rigidly far-right views will make fellow Republican Scott Brown look as liberal as Ted Kennedy. But he’ll be somethin’ to watch, alright. And how.

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* Footnote about the Murray/Rossi senate race in Washington state: It’s an interesting race. First, some facts about the two:

Dino’s more an executive type. He’s not really a senator type, and I have a hunch that the Senate is not what he really wants (although he can do the gig since he did the Washington state senate from 1997 to 2003). Dino wanted to be governor, ran twice for governor and lost both times. However, shortly after that first Tuesday of November 2004, Dino was certified as governor-elect. Check this out:

In the 2004 election that would become the closest gubernatorial race in United States history, Rossi was certified as governor-elect before losing a second hand recount to Democrat Christine Gregoire.

Dino’s got a large army of loyal backers who KNOW in their hearts — and heads — that the Seattle Democrats cheated to give Christine Gregoire her 2004 win by messing with ballots in King County, the county that is home to Seattle and environs. It could be true. Even when I was still a loyal Democrat (before I got brutalized by the Obamabots in 2007-2008), I had my doubts about what happened in those King County Election Dept. offices…. besides their being dedicated Democrats who surely despised Rossi, those employees are a bunch of lazy lifers who are shockingly sloppy in their care of ballots. A lot of the irregularities discovered during the investigation had more to do with outright laziness and inattention than calculated vote-tampering.

Dino’s name has been knocked around for quite a while as a prospective opponent of Patty Murray, but he held back since she’s easily won reelection in the past, and Dino obviously didn’t want to add a third statewide defeat to his record, which would then essentially become his political obituary.

But the GOP heavyweights — the top dogs in the Republican party nationwide –saw a real chance to beat Patty Murray, who’s powerful in the Senate but only because of her seniority, not her brains or particular talents. She’s a dogged worker who won as the mom in tennis shoes but has never grown in Washingtonians’ perception of her. They know she’ll work hard. Beyond that, they’ve not seen in her a growth in national stature.

But Patty’s constituents lso know she’ll vote with the Democrats and for Obama’s agenda, no matter what her constituents may tell her. She’s a loyal dog sitting at the feet of the Democratic leadership, crawling her way up onto Harry Reid’s lap — and it’s no coincidence that little short Patty is always standing next to Harry in the official photos of the Senate leadership.

Further, behind that “mom in tennis shoes” persona is a person who is NOT tuned in to the people she supposedly represents. I know. I’ve called her D.C. office many times, and every time I have been shocked by the rudeness with which my comments have been received. When I called last year to express my concerns about the stimulus bill, the staffer IMMEDIATELY assumed I was a conservative Republican and tuned me out. I asked her to read back the notes she’d taken on my comments. She hadn’t written what I said. I forced her to rewrite her comments three times before I was satisfied. She was furious with me. I was far more furious with her. But the worst feeling that I had was that I was utterly disheartened by the lack of concern — the inability to listen — to me or to any of her constituents.

I can’t quite believe that I may vote for Dino Rossi. Since 2003, I’ve been 100% sure I’d never vote for Rossi for any job. Ever. But now? And after that experience I had in 2009 with her haughty, officious, demeaning staff members, which was like every other experience I’ve had when I’ve called her office (and it’s in stark contrast to the concerned response I get when I call Senator Maria Cantwell’s office), I just may vote for him. As a protest.

If I vote for Murray, I am voting for Harry Reid. I can’t stomach that thought.

I’d have the same internal conversations if I lived in California. I’d be heavily leaning towards voting for Carly Fiorina, who’s a very smart, very ambitious, very tuned-in person with great potential to ascend, in time, to leadership positions in the Senate. Rossi is like Fiorina in that way too: He is nothing if not ambitious, and he’d become a force in the Senate. If I lived in Alaska, I’d truly have a hard time because Miller’s views are so very extreme, but what I’ve seen of McAdams tells me that he’d be another lapdog like Murray.

There’s something that ALL true experts on voting patterns know. People vote with their hearts, not their heads. Nobody wants to admit to himself or herself that his or her heart decides who they’ll vote for. Nobody. So we always talk about what we think of the candidate and the candidates’ positions on issues. But, in our heart of hearts, that’s not how we decide who we vote for.

That’s always scared the hell out of me. That my emotions rule my decisions. But it is what it is. All I can do is pray that my emotions are being influenced by the best possible information and impressions. But can we ever be sure? I wonder.

But I am NOT wondering about the emotions of the American people these days. We are so damn pissed off, we could blow the lid off the roof of Congress. And we may just do that.

*** UPDATE ***

CBS: Face the Nation. Miller: Transfer Govt. to States, People
Republican nominee for the Senate in Alaska Joe Miller discussed with Bob Schieffer his stance on the distribution of power in the government and his support on decreasing federal aid money to states.

View more videos at Miller’s Web site.

2nd UPDATE: Here’s a 30-second spot for Miller’s campaign, titled “Credentials” — this also points out that Miller was in Desert Storm and has a master’s degree in economicss along with his degrees from West Point and Yale Law School.

  • oowawa

    Joe Miller really reminds me of House on TV:  sharp as a tack, and ready to administer pain . . .

  • oowawa

    Joe Miller really reminds me of House on TV: a scruffy outsider, but sharp as a tack, and ready to administer pain . . .

  • oowawa

    “People vote with their hearts not their heads . . . ”

    Well, this year I’m voting with my nauseated guts; anybody who helped to empower and support Obama goes down.  A simple decision.  Bye Bye Barbara Boxer, who has had my support and vote all the way up till 2008.

  • Yttik

    Good post! You nailed it with the Wild West movies. America is desperate for some heroes. We want to feel good about our country again, have some pride in our leaders, feel optimistic about the future. Calling people bitter, racist, stupid, being rude to constituents in town hall meeting, those were serious mistakes. I think Americans are ready to take back their government.

    Tough choice with Rossi/Murray. Myself, I can’t stand Rossi, he’s an establishment Republican and I have never trusted him. Personally I like Murray, but she belongs to a party that’s as corrupt as a bloody crime syndicate. That’s going to be a tough race.

  • bayareavoter

    I’m just starting to pay attention to the polls and the election (like millions of other Americans) and as much as I can’t stand BO or Pelousi I have to say: the only thing worse than the Democrats are…..the Republicans!

    Come on people! remember when Bush Jr was in power and we had to listen to drunken John Boehner? Hello? After those 8 years why would we vote R just cuz we’re fed up with the Dems?

    We really need a third party but until we get one I won’t support the Felinini-madness of the right wing that makes up the Republican party…..

  • oowawa

    I don’t want to go back to Bush, but Bush will not be running.  Obama has so thoroughly disrupted and permeated the Democratic party that I feel it has to be totally purged of all Obama sycophants before it can be rebuilt.  You can’t beat the current Dems under Obama for Theater of the Absurd . . .

    And the MSM must be dealt a crushing blow for relinquishing their responsibilities and worshipping Thee One . . .

    I think wishing for a 3rd party at this stage is unrealistic . . .

  • sowsear

    GM IPO
    The question is who gets to buy underpriced stock?
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN0315109920100903

  • Bronwyn

    I realized I should add a YouTube of Miller, so I’m looking for one.  In the meantime, here’s his campaign site:

    http://joemiller.us/index.php

    Amazing to hit the intro page to the site, and see a photo of him with his attractive wife and two daughters — another reminder of Scott Brown.

    Except, forgive me, Mrs. Miller should see Mrs. Brown’s hair stylist.  Isn’t that an awful thing to share.  But there it is.

    Back to looking for a YouTube.

  • kenoshamarge

    Great post Bronwyn! I feel much the same way that you do.

    There was a time when the very idea that I would have voted for a Republican would have been laughable.

    I dont believe any longer that the Republicans are worse than the Democrats.

    I am now and forever will be an Independent. I will vote for the candidate I think will best serve my wants and needs or against the candidate that I think will do the most damage to what I believe is best for the country.

    There are now and will be certain individuals who will get my vote because I believe that they are people of character. But they are few and far between.

    I believe that the Republican Party is in the midst of a change too. Only in spite of how conservative much of that change is I think it is a change away from the “old bulls” in the party. I believe the “old bulls” in the GOP can feel the hot breath of the “Young Guns” on their necks and are as frightened of them as the Dems are of the voters.

    I believe “change” is coming and it is more than an Obamacrat campaign slogan. It’s a feeling of anger and worry that is coming from the people of this country.

    Politicians had best beware. Too many people paid little or no attention to the shenanigans going on in Washington D.C. so long as they were making a good living and were able to have some of the “perks” that go with that. Now, many don’t have a job and have the time, and the rage to pay attention. Once eyes are open it’s hard to fool people again.

  • GORDO

    “Army Col. Denise R. Lind today ruled in a hearing regarding the evidence to be allowed in the scheduled October court-martial of Lakin that he will be denied access to any of Obama’s records as well as any testimony from those who may have access to the records.

    She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president, and it’s up to Congress to call for impeachment of a sitting president.”
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=198465

  • EllenD

    privatizing Social Security and phasing out Medicare.

    Some of his views make me shudder — especially his views on Social Security and Medicare.

    Sorry guys, can’t vote for candidates with extremist views no matter how pissed off I am with what we have. I don’t vote emotionally.
    My mother used to say “Cutting off your nose to spite your face.”

  • West Virginia

    I wrote this down thread, and I will repeat some of it.

    The lawsuits against AZ and an officeholder could open up a floodgate of new defenses for offenses.  I was driving a friend’s car.  It was old and ugly.  I got pulled over and the cop just walked around looking for an equipment infraction.  You see.. poor West Virginians drive cars that probably have worn tires or tail lights out because they can’t afford to keep their cars up.  That is profiling at it’s finest.  I got off because the car just looked old and beat up, yet was in perfect order for a 260,000 mile Subaru.   
     
    Had I get a ticket I will, in the future, call Holder and ask him to file a suit against WV.  That state went over 70% for Clinton and McCain and, therefore, is obviously filled with profile targetable anti-O folks and the cops are just picking on us regular people for not being elite Volvo drivers.  
     
    By the way.  The Miller victory in Alaska is an example not of Tea Party power, but the power of the blue class voter.  Sorry to tell the ivory tower this information, but the number of blue collar voters in America far outnumber the elite snobs.  The kids who supported O in the 08 are now looking for jobs and even the trash collector makes more money than these kids could make as a tax collector – if they could find a job outside of government.   
     
    The more O attacks America’s blue front line (the working CLASS) for acting stupidly and supporting GOP and Independent candidates, the deeper and more energetic the blue line grows.  
     
    We don’t like a lot of things the three stooges are doing and we are showing up at the polls.  Go ahead.  Sue every state that voted against O in 08.  We appreciate the inspiration you give, with your actions, to the true Americans.  Josie Wells shot the rope that held his enemy’s barge in line.  The DOJ action against a free state will set the O boat down the river without an oar or a life line, and this will be written in future history books as one of the lowest points in our republic’s history.   
     
    This action will help create a pivotal point.  It will be a point in time when historians will admit the the reason that the GOP controlled government here from 2010 – 3010 was because the Dems tried to ignore the fact that the Federal Government was created with permission from the State Governments.
    PICTURES<img style=”width: 89px; height: 96px; cursor: pointer;” src=”http://js-kit.com/blob/twl9RRsQMELc2jx5MhYO_O.jpg”/>

  • HARP

    Bang on. This election is also about showing the knee pad media they can no longer drag out the same lame arguments. They have all showed their true colors just to keep Obama looking good. Just once I would like to ask any of them where they would be without capitalism. It`s time to expose the media for who they are. I urge everyone to find the goods on any media type who is a phony. I will start the ball rolling with our dear friend Friedman. Take a peek at where he lives……Not bad for a Socialist huh.

  • West Virginia

    By the Way Brown…

    That was one heck of a long post.  Almost WAPO length.  You obviously have been thinking about this.

    You are right.  The American voters will tell us a lot this November.

  • Butch

    You were looking for a Miller video? Here you go, enjoy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGi9WDA238c

    Here’s your hero cowboy Joe Miller in short:
    -Eliminate the Department of Education
    -Believes the government shouldn’t pay for unemployment insurance -Climate change on his campaign site: it “may not even exist.”

    -eliminate health care for the poor by scrapping Medicaid
    -Sweeping cuts to Medicare and Social Security with a goal of phasing them out entirely in favor of total privatization —whoohooo!!

    -But it didn’t stop him from sending a letter to senior citizens:

    …”My own parents collect Social Security benefits and use Medicare. They, like millions of others, need and relied on the government’s promise to provide these benefits when they were planning for their future. There is a contract between the federal government and those who paid into the system. That contract must be honored.”

    WTF???

  • Bronwyn

    I also added a second video — 30-second spot that describes Miller’s qualifications, experience, education, etc.  I didn’t know he was in Desert Storm or that he also has a msster’s in economics.  It’s up at the end of the post.

  • oowawa

    The “attractive wife” with her curly blonde hairstyle kind of reminds me of Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.  But I’m sure she’s much nicer!

  • HARP

    The Rev. Jesse Jackson came to Detroit last weekend pushing green jobs for the U.S. economy. On Monday, the Cadillac Escalade carrying him around the city was stolen and stripped. Does building replacement $1000 rims count as “green jobs?”

    http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/

  • Bronwyn

    VERY well said.  You accurately describe the feelings of millions of your fellow Americans.

    Yes, both the Obama presidency and the conditions in this country have really awakened us and made us PAY ATTENTION.  We Americans have not been very good at following what’s going on in D.C., and I hope that this new intense interest becomes a regular feature of our daily lives and that we pass this on to our children as a way of life.

  • oowawa

    Well, I have to give credit to Col. Lind for at least stating the real reason for not admitting the evidence: it would be an embarrassment to the President.  That’s a step in the right direction . . .

  • Dario

    That’s why the office of the president is so important.  A few Tea Party congressmen (senate and house) cannot accomplish much, really.  Congress can only take control with 2/3 control (needed to override vetoes), and your high hopes for accomplishing anything will deflate like balloon full of holes.  What I expect is a government in total gridlock, which is not bad, but given our very difficult economic disaster, is not very appealing.  Can we all see why 2008 was so disastrous?  I’m not looking forward to gridlock, any more than I’m happy with the current congress and POTUS.

  • Bronwyn

    I’m not that worried because we have a Constitution which ensures that there are NINETY-NINE other senators who will be voting along with Mr. Miller.  Since he is such a staunch student of the Constitution, he will honor the decisions of the body to which he surely will be elected. 

    Right now, we have to do radical things if we have any hope of getting things changed in D.C.  I bet we will weather this era and that Social Security and Medicare will remain intact.

    I am much more worried about the dictator in the White House who seems to think that the Constitution applies to everyone but him — astonishing since he supposedly taught Constitutional Law.  

    In fact, I am FAR MORE WORRIED about what Obama will do to Medicare because of how Obamacare will suck funds out of Medicare and cut back on payments to doctors/labs/hospitals/etc so much that NONE of them will take Medicare patients anymore!  

    This is an IMMEDIATE crisis. And we need senators like Miller to immediately begin to try to undo Obamacare.

  • HARP

    The President IS an embarrassment.

  • HARP

    I`m sorry Ellen, but if Barry and his thugs stay in, you won`t have a face.

    :(

  • oowawa

    I’m willing to settle for total gridlock, if that’s what is necessary to keep Obama from digging the hole any deeper.  In 2012, we get another chance . . .

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    She said opening up such evidence could be an “embarrassment” to the president, and it’s up to Congress to call for impeachment of a sitting president.” 

    Well alrighty then.  Let’s hope on November 3rd that will no longer be a problem.

  • Dario

    How many other senators will think like him? Not many.  Be careful of what you wish for.  If you’ve ever been unemployed, you would understand how important unemployment insurance is (paid by employers, not employees).  It’s true that the Federal government often extends unemployment when the economic conditions is as bad as we’re currently experiencing, but for the most part, the insurance helps those who lose their jobs.  I don’t understand why you are against the insurance.  Private companies would never offer it.   Most people don’t save enough for their old age.  Social Security is a safety net that many older Americans need.  It’s funded from each worker and his employer.  Instead of borrowing from Japan, China, and other foreign countries, the Social Security Fund buys U.S. Treasuries and is there unless the government defaults, to give you some income when one is too old to work.  The idea that SS is an “entitlement” is a canard.  The government wants you to believe that because it spent the money, somehow it doesn’t have any obligation to pay back the U.S. Treasuries it issued to the fund.  The government would never say that to China or Japan, “oops, the money is gone, sorry.  You are out of luck”.  When running deficits, all money from all U.S. Treasuries is spent.  That doesn’t take away the obligation to Japan or the Social Security system.  I can’t figure it out why you want Social Security to be privatized.  How is your 401 doing?  Is that what you want?  You want Wall Street palying with your money?  Jeez!

  • Daisy Mae Big-Time Cracker Today

    Very good article, Bronwyn.  I learned a lot.  The AZ lawsuit has offended me a great deal. The corruption in NM (where I live) is appalling (I have to think Chicago came here to take lessons).  Above all, the whole Bobo presidency has been a fiasco, corrupt and inept, real dipsticks, amateur hour, name calling of all who disagree, and just plain lack of couth.  I left the Dim. Party, forevah and am an Indy. And I will gladly vote “them” out in my state. I do hope the GOP comes through with a pres. candidate who can win.  

  • propertius

    Sounds like he’ll fit right in once he gets to DC.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I put this on Larry Doyle’s post but maybe it should be here too.  This is what we are going to have more of if we don’t get these P’sOS out of office.  More taxation by subtrafuge.

    “President Obama’s finance team is recommending a transaction tax. His plan is  
    to sneak it in after the November election to keep it under the radar. This is a 1% tax on all transaction at any financial institution i. e. Banks, Credit Unions, extra. Any deposit you make, or move around within your account, i. e. transfer to, will have a 1% tax charged. If your pay check or your social Security or whatever is direct deposit, 1% tax charged. If you hand carry a check in to deposit, 1% tax charged, If you take cash in to deposit, 1% tax charged.This is from the man who promised that if you make under $250,000 per year, you will not see one penny of new tax.”  
     
    If this is true, I guess the mattress is the only safe refuge.

  • snosandy

    When Boeing announced they were building a second 787 line in South Carolina instead of Everett, our Governor, Senators, and Dem Representatives all sided with the Machinists Union (who wanted Boeing to extend their contract for something like 10 years) and blamed the company for the move instead of the demanding union membership, I knew I would have no problem voting against any of them this time around.

  • Dario

    I agree, but it’s like having gruel three times a day because there’s nothing else.  I can live with it, but not the choice I would have voted for.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Sitka…it a great little town.

  • snosandy

    I used to shudder at the thought of privatizing social security, but since I’m 20 years away from collecting, it’s looking more and more like I won’t be getting much, if any of it, with the way it is being handled right now.

  • EWard

    Butch

    Miller is saying people probably 50 and above that have paid into SS and senior Americans will have SS.  However, for younger folks a new system similar to 401ks or IRAs will be one option for younger Americans for retirement.  The current system can’t be sustained because there are more people collecting benefits than paying into it.   

  • csuzeq

    I’ve come to realize that both parties are changing and neither side is quite sure what they are going to look like anymore!  I’m more than willing to go to the conservative side for the near future, at least, because Obma, Pelosi and Reid sent me from my moderate to my conservative side.  Quite frankly, they have scared the bejesus out of me!  The one thing about the Democrats is that they no longer exist.  I call that party the idiot progs (progressives) now.  I will never forget how they ignored the people at those town hall meetings and say we would take this crap whether we liked it or not because they know better.  Well, f-ck them!  They can go crawl back under their rocks now!  

    The thing about the Republicans is that they like to remain in power and I just cannot imagine them ignoring people at the town halls like the progs did, over any of the issues, EVER.  I hope I am not wrong, but the Republicans do have a history of winning elections way more than those dems did and now that the dems are so over, the progs are completely clueless so we are not going to see them for uite sometime, possibly for generations!  Republicans like to win and have experience with letting the left hang itself.  This time, the dems cannot be revived and I will not miss them and there just aren’t enough real progs out there to be considered a party.  Hopefully the Repubs will fear voters enough to actually do their jobs!

  • EWard

    Harp

    Heard this on talk radio today….when the Dems talk about creating green jobs they fail to mention the downside.  For every green job maybe 2 jobs are lost in the oil and coal industry?????

  • Samb

    I want to believe once again that anything can happen.

    Soon I hope.

  • Jackie

    “The Dems are not just fightin’ a bunch of feisty, Constitution-quotin’ Tea Partiers. The Dems are also fightin’ the resurgence of the heroes and heroines of Western movies, brought to life with characters like the shotgun-totin’, pretty-as-all-get-out Sarah Palin and her ridin’ partner, the manly oh so manly Joe Miller.

    One of those visuals could be enough to trample the Dems. The two visuals together are like the dynamite that blasted mountain after mountain to pave the way West, connecting the West to the rest of the country and bringing electricity and water to every region of the once distant and parched Wild West. “

    It’s quite something to see an NQ writer gleefully tout “the visuals” of their favored candidate, after the last two years of wall-to-wall attacks on “the American Idol” president.

  • Sandi78

    I’m with you on Boxer, but I wish the Rs had someone better than Carly Fiorina. One loser to another.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    I agree Bronwyn.  I have said this before, when Harry Reid plays those ridiculous commericals about Sharon Angle ‘taking away’ our social security, I think to myself……. Right, like she is going to go to washington and single handedly take that away.  Thats just silly

    I am no fan of Sharon Angle but Harry has to go.  He’s been in the Senate far too long and its time for him  to retire.  If we had term limits like the president does, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  • Samb

    Honesty, I like that.

  • Samb

    kenoshamarge – honesty i like that.

  • TeakWoodKite

    No link to the opinion…they are not public record?

  • Talk2ThePaw

    Yes Oowawa, at this point or anytime in this election cycle a third party would only assure the Obutt apostles a victory.  A third party would split the votes against the usurper’s kingdom and assure them of continuing control of congress and the time they need to totally dismantle this country.

  • Lynn L.

    There are now and will be certain individuals who will get my vote because I believe that they are people of character.  
     
    kenoshamarge, me, too!
     
    I would have never believed that 36 months could change this old dyed-in-the-wool Democratic heart/soul, but after the heartbreaking outcome of the ’08 primaries and equally painful involvement in the Texas caucus, I’m a different voter today.
     
    Thanks, Bronwyn, for breaking the ice with your personal opinions about conservative Joe Miller and making it OKAY for me to say, “I like him.” I watched all the videos and am impressed.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    I believe people are fired up enough to toss any new Republican out of office who doesn’t listen.  No more of this accruing 20 years in office.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    You are right.  The main thing that has to be done for SS is to stop the crooked pols from putting their thieving hands in it.  The solutions are easier than turning it over to Wall Street.  I trust those thieves even less.  Raise the income level for contributions but at the same rate; and maybe raise the age one more year; stop the theft and you’d see the fund replenished.  If Bill Gates paid the same 7% we do on his income (I pay 7% on 100% of mine), the entire fund would be in the black.  I’m not even saying it should be that extreme but $106k is ridiculous. 

    I once thought the elimination of the Department of Ed was strange but re-thinking it,  seeing what they are teaching the students these days, I think maybe it should be the sole responsibility of the states.  Get rid of it.

  • kenoshamarge

    Exactly EWard. And it is dishonest to keep saying that everyone that is “For” private accounts for Social Security is for handing the money over to Wall Street or to put the money in the Stock Market. Those are simply “scare” tactics used to get Senior voters, who are always reliable about voting, so that they will vote against anyone that mentions touching that “3rd rail”.

    There are many things that can be done besides handing their money over to the stock market. How about letting those who have some years to hand over their money to have some say in it?

    I am all for unemployment too. So long as it’s reasonable. Extending it endlessly and allowing people to collect more money than they could make actually working is not, at least to me, reasonable. 99 weeks of unemployment doesn’t seem “reasonable”. Some, not all by any means, will stay on unemployment as long as they can.

    Anecdotally the local K-Mart is begging for help and can’t get it because unemployment is paying more than the minimum wage that new hires start with.

    I am also with any pol that wants Social Security and any other federally or taxpayer funded pension fund to not allow retirement before 65. There are always extenuating circumstances and those should of course be taken into consideration.

  • kenoshamarge

    Yawn, flag, swat.

  • getfitnow

    We want to feel good about our country again, have some pride in our leaders, feel optimistic about the future.
    ****************************
    Yttik, you are SO right! Yesterday I was listening to a conservative on the radio. I’ve heard similar comments before—where they almost yearn for Bill Clinton and yes, Jimmy Carter too. The host said he never supported the notion that some conservative have –It’s time to take our country back.until now! The difference between these two POTUS’ and That One and this congress –“It doesn’t feel like America anymore.”

    I, as an independent, do not find this over-the-top rhetoric.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Jackie, Don’t you have something better to do other than make people PUKE!

    And, for the record, the American Idols have real talent – not manufactured fraud.

    >:o

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    And, for the record, the American Idols have real talent – not manufactured fraud.  
    ==================
    Yeah and jackie’s word choice was incorrect. That One is an American Idle.

  • getfitnow

    Scott Brown, Joe Miller and some others less noticed around the country have proved that engaged citizens showing up to vote trump big campaign $$. 

    Yeah I wonder what a government-made iPhone would be like–not to mention resources like Twitter.

    It is interesting it’s always the left whining about victimization and social justiceright’s. Do we have a photo of Rev. Wright’s abode?

  • Noogan

    Really great political analysis, and blog post, Bronwyn’s Harbor! I couldn’t stop reading your points long enough to click at WaPo to give them credit, but I will. I appreciate all the thought and time you put into this post! 

    It’s clear that something’s afoot in this country. You Betcha!  :-D

    Miller is quite a modern-day political hero-type; it is fascinating to me that he’s a West Pointer and a Yale graduate who went west instead of staying east. Wow, I agree; that’s a sign of a man who likes to think for himself, and also we see it as a sign that he wasn’t into just making money. We like that attitude; it says something about a man–or woman–to us, in this country, particularly these days.

    And, err, um, it REALLY CONTRASTS WITH BARACK OBAMA, doesn’t it?!

    I love Miller just for that fact alone.

    The “privatizing social security” and eliminating “medicare” narrative just doesn’t threaten me much at this point; you can’t “privatize” social security now, because the myth of the market is so over. The trend now is people getting out of the stock market altogether. And, I hope Miller isn’t going to try to sell Obama’s current plan of government annuities as a ‘retirement savings plan.’ That is nothing but a scam; and sadly, people will fall for it. 

    Imho: ANNUITIES is a bad word; never, never fall for that word in any way, shape or form. If someone tries to sell you on the idea of anything they call an “annuity” run away from them.

    I would really really really like to see more people catch on to the idea of voting “independent” of political party. I don’t know how Miller will handle the whole “party” thing; but it’s the most pernicious and insidious thing ever to pervert our Democratic Republic, and in my opinion, ought to be scrapped forever, along with the FED.

    One other though: I frankly will be glad to see Joe Sestak disappear into the mists of time. He has turned out to be such a fake; I’ve seen him interviewed on so many programs, and every single time, he looks like one big liar, unwilling and unable to just TELL THE TRUTH about ANYTHING. I’ve decided, over time, that I really don’t like him. 

    Anyway, great blog post, thanks for the work that obviously went into it. 

  • getfitnow

    There are many places in this country that feel like you stepped back in time. Although I lik Sarah Palin’s hair style better, it really is a “retro do” too.

    I sense, with a bold push by the TP, the face of the GOP is changing. Many citizen conservatives sick and tire of what their party has become are battling the GOP establishment. I don’t have that same feeling about the DEMs.

  • getfitnow

    Yep, that new GOP majority best remember from whence it came.

  • getfitnow

    Just like Boxer making it sound like Fiorina approves of those on the “no-fly “list should  be able to carry a fire arm–on board an aircraft!

  • getfitnow

    What’s wrong with having a conversation about these issues–every side represented.

    I recall reading when Clinton was mulling over an issue, he’d invite parties (inside and outside of gov) to brainstorm.

  • getfitnow

    Agree with your last statement completely.

    It’s time to discuss SS.

    Peter Schiff said the other day unemployment has become another entitlement program. I agree with him.

  • getfitnow

    Do you have a link, Annie?

  • kafir

    Yes! Hillary for President 2012! Go for it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJKLdqO32E8&feature=player_embedded#!

  • getfitnow

    Just read that Jackson’s Escalaide was stolen!! :-D

  • getfitnow

    And stripped!! LOL

  • getfitnow

    Just call That One the Hammer:

  • getfitnow

    Come on down, Hazel!

  • getfitnow

    Indeed!

  • Christopher

    The U.S. Constitution favors privatizing Social Security and phasing out Medicare?

    Huh? I don’t recall it. Hey, I’m all for the U.S. Constitution but I think Miller is just making shit up. If the Tea Party is at it’s core, largely over the age of 50, with many retirees, such talk will ultimately fall flat as the vast majority of retirees rely on both Social Security and Medicare for their survival.

    I was particularly put off by a fundraising letter that Miller’s campaign has sent out:

    Greetings,

    We don’t want to loose the momentumn of this great campaign!! We are going to get Joe Miller elected, it’s just that for reasons we don’t understand God wants us to have a waiting spell (he’s in contact with God? Oy Vey!). We need to be wise as serpents (Since when are serpents “wise?”) and gentle as doves, and keep the campaign uplifted in constant prayer.

    In order for Joe to keep campaigning he needs funds. So far the Lord has always provided the money in this grass roots campaign (By “the Lord” he mean the “Tea Party Express” who provided $600,000 in funding for thie “grass roots” campaign.  Stop fibbing Mr. Miller.) and this time God is going to use you to provide!

    Maybe I’m just old school but I think discussing your religious beliefs is crass and has no place in politics and it’s especially tacky to use “God” and the “Lord” to raise money.

    Just my opinion.

  • GORDO

    From August 16:
    ——–
    “JAG Captain: Lakin’s CO needs to investigate prosecutorial misconduct”
    “Lakin reported that at the courtroom offices he was waiting in a lobby-type of room with Col. Craig and SFC Laird, who were his escort and driver. He said Brodsky called Craig and Laird over telling them “that the escort purpose was to get me into the van after it was over” and “he did not know if I had plans on signing autographs and kissing babies, but that would not happen and it would not become a circus. He used the words ‘taser him and throw him in the van’ …COL Craig walked back in and said, ‘you probably heard all that, didn’t you?’ And my reply was yes, it would have been hard not to.”
    In the foundation report Lakin said, “After the hearing, my lawyers asked COL Craig for permission for me to speak to the press, since both CNN and NBC had sent camera crews, but she rudely refused and ordered me back into her vehicle to be transported back to Walter Reed.” Lakin concluded his remarks saying, “Don’t tase me ’Bro.”
    Lakin described how he was not permitted to talk to his counsel, Paul Rolf Jensen, saying, “I heard Mr. Jensen asking for two minutes and COL Craig denied the request, asking him to get into the van immediately. It was obvious to me, especially from the direction that LTC Brodsky had given earlier, that any other interactions would likely be met with further charges, security intervention or other unwarranted escalation.”
    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=4824

  • kenoshamarge

    I agree Christopher. So long as the conservatives stick to being conservative about finances I’ll play along. Once they start trying to shove religion down my throat they lose me. If they keep this up, in trying to connect with their religious right base, they will drive away the very Independents they need to keep the left at bay. And I find using religion to fund raise for a pol very tacky. >:o

     I believe in what I believe and I think everyone else has the right to do it. If you want to have a religious discussion, have it at the local church or synagogue and leave politics out of it. Politics taints religion and vice-versa. JMO

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Let’s remember “choice” and “freedom” incorporates the opportunity for anyone to express their beliefs.  It doesn’t mean you have to agree or punish them for having faith in something. 

    You lose nothing by allowing others to believe in God and her assistance in making it through life.

    In God We Trust – I wish I had more official paper and coin that has that inscripted on it!  :-D

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Hummmmmm. 

    Finally, some transparency from the Obama administration.

    =-O

  • PssttCmere

    I guess the part I am enjoying most is that Pelooser has been busundered.  What happened to her loyal subjects?  And the latest poll shows obama at a new low on the economy.  If the scripit is adhered to, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on the dem side come November!!  The “people” want to be heard and it is finally happening…
    Who will the dems blame, as I am sure they would not want to face the fact that they only have themselves to blame!!

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

  • PssttCmere

    oowawa….uncanny resemblance.  Wonder if she has boiled any bunnies lately… 8-)

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

  • FLDemFem

    Mr. Miller seems to have missed the part of the Constitution that separates church and state. This fundraising letter sounds like the sort of thing the religious right used to put out for their candidates. That alone should sound alarm bells about Mr. Miller. Not that I want a Dem majority in Congress, but I would prefer moderates of both parties rather than far right or far left adherents who battle it out over ideology. I want the sort of Congress where both sides have to compromise to get a majority vote. And the compromise should always be in favor of the people’s wishes, not what the contributors to the various campaigns want in return for their support. Yeah, I know, pie in the sky… but this is America, and I can dream.

  • Armymom

    I’ll second that Carol!

  • oowawa

    OMG–I had completely forgotten about that scene!

  • Christopher

    Kenoshamarge – I think we need to move beyond these labels like left v. right, and liberal v. conservative. There are so damned many problems facing this nation that aren’t being addressed that we get lost when we let the politicians divide us into camps or teams.

    About religion, when politicians like Michelle Bachmann say God came to her in her living room and told her to run for the Congress, it reeks of craziness. When Bush told 60 Minutes that God spoke to him when he drove his toy pick up truck around the pretend ranch in Waco, he sounded like a loon.

    Personally, I just want to keep religion out of politics. The moment these folks start saying “God wants me to be a senator!,” I run the other way and I don’t take them seriously.

  • FLDemFem

    Ok, that makes my ears come to a complete perk and start to tingle. Now why would she mention impeachment if there is nothing in the documents that warrant impeachment??? Embarrassing the president is one thing, no problem with her saying that, but impeachment?? What was in the documents that caused her to mention impeachment and the fact that it was up to Congress to implement it?? Is the Col. sending a subtle message that while these documents are not relevant to that particular case they should be opened by Congress for purposes of impeachment? As a serving officer, that is about all she can do under the circumstances.

  • FLDemFem

    WV, I had a couple of similar stops when living in WV and driving in MD. I got out of it by pointing out that while WV had auto inspection, MD did not, and therefore my car was likely to be in better shape than his own.

  • oowawa

    It’s possible, but an idea as draconian as this would never see the light of day, especially just before an election.  It would be a leak equivalent to that which brought down the Titanic.  I personally think the VAT (value added tax) is the idea they will eventually float . . .

  • FLDemFem

    I wonder if that will inspire the Rev. Jackson to speak out about “black-on-black” crimes. Hmmmmmm…crickets

  • oowawa

    Obama has made me distrust the concept of “hope.”

  • Armymom

    Well you could look at it that way……or there’s another possibility. We always hear about the “religious right” but for over 35 years I was a democrat. At least 15 or so of those last years, I was and am a Christian. I went to a mostly “democratic congregation church”. I don’t go any longer, not since this past election. You see, I heard all kinds of “God wants us to do this” under the guise of the policital party of the Democrats. To heck if it lined up with scripture.

     Have I “heard” from God on many things? Yes, it’s that small voice in side of yourself that tells you something just isn’t right and it lines up with scripture. I heard it when Obama started running his campaign. And I want to say that I’ve heard lots more “nutso” things inside that church than I ever have from the church I go to now and this congregation is definitely more conservative. But they don’t say “vote for this person” or “vote for the person that supports this” as I heard during my years at my former church. I’ve also seen more charitable acts of kindness from my new church than I ever had from the other. So I guess what I’m saying is that there are many fervent Christians that go to the church of the Democrats and for years I was one of them. To label those who are Christians as the far right is ridiculous. There is many a nut on the other side and they scare me much more than the “religious right”. So I guess I’m a nut and someone who will continue to “cling to my bible and my gun”. I just won’t be tqken advantage of from the “religious left” as they tell me they’re “inclusive” and have a “big tent”. I’ve learned differently. Obama is a good example of this as well as his mentor, Jeremiah Wright, Pfleger and Wallace.

  • creeper

    I hear you on Boehner, bayarea.  The thought of seeing his orange face constantly for the next couple of years is repugnant.

    But I’ve arrived at the point where I don’t care about the politics.  I will vote against any incumbent who hasn’t firmly opposed Obama from the beginning.  Party is irrelevant, though I’m bound to admit that Dems will bear the brunt.

    The new Congress will have two years to fix this mess.  Health care reversal and REAL financial reform are first.  If they don’t do it, I’ll vote against them in the next election.

    I’ll keep doing that until we get decent government or the country collapses. 

    Right now, the odds on that look to be about 50-50.

  • oowawa

    I definitely don’t like the mixing of God into politics.  I know it plays well with some people, but it is definitely a red flag for me.  This is one of the reasons I detested the Obama campaign: it was full of religious imagery and messianic enthusiasm; many thought (and still think) that Obama is the 2nd coming.  And now, Thee One is President!  That has to go.

    Glenn Beck is increasingly sounding like an evangelical preacher.  He’s good when he sticks to politics.  When he goes off on his God trip, he loses me totally.

    This theme will be a bone of contention in the future.

  • Sassy

    I’ll third that Carol!
    I am not aware of a requirement to suppress one’s faith in order to serve in the public arena.
    Faith is another facet of an individual, just as their educational and professional background.
    Most people often have to search their conscience, and we endeavor to do the right thing even when it is difficult.
    That does not impose on another’s rights.

  • creeper

    But wouldn’t impeaching the imposter make a martyr out of him?  That’s the last thing we need. 

  • oowawa

    Nicely expressed, Armymom.

  • Breeze

    -

    STATES JOIN LEGAL BRIEFS SUPPORTING AZ IMMIGRATION LAWS

    AS DONATIONS ROLL IN FOR GOV. BREWER’S DEFENSE FUND

    Associated Press
    Aug. 4, 2010
    PHOENIX
     
    – Nearly a dozen states have filed a legal brief in support of Arizona’s controversial immigration law.
     
    A”friend of the court” brief filed with the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday argues that a federal judge was wrong to block implementation of key provisions of the law.
     
    The brief submitted by Michigan Attorney General Michael Cox argues that the judge used the wrong legal standard to rule on the U.S. Justice Department’s request for a preliminary injunction.
     
    It also says the judge erred in ruling that the law interferes with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.
     
    Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Virginia joined in the filing.

    In addition to the legal brief, a Wyoming man has given more than $1.5 million to help defend Arizona’s controversial immigration enforcement measure in court, Gov. Jan Brewer’s office said Thursday.
     
    The contribution from Timothy Mellon of Saratoga is the largest to Brewer’s defense fund, which has amassed more than $3.6 million from 41,000 donors nationwide. Mellon could not immediately be reached for comment.
     
    The latest legal bills released Thursday show Brewer’s office has spent more than $440,000 for the first two months of defending the law.
     
    The bills, obtained through a public records request by The Associated Press, are for work performed through June by Phoenix law firm Snell & Wilmer. They do not cover July hearings in federal court before a judge Susan Bolton temporarily blocked enforcement of the law’s most controversial provisions.
     
    Brewer has appealed Bolton’s order to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
     
    Her office is defending the state against seven lawsuits challenging Arizona’s law, including cases filed by the U.S. Justice of Department, civil rights groups and two police officers.
     
    Bolton has dismissed two of the cases.
     
    “The fees incurred have been, and will continue to be, sizeable,” Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman said, noting there have been more than 900 legal filings totaling more than 12,000 pages.
     
    Arizona’s law would generally require officers enforcing other measures to check the immigration status of people they suspect are illegal immigrants.

  • Sassy

    Stuart Varney has cited statistics showing that unemployment would have gone down without the continuous extension of benefits.
    People are unwilling to take jobs that pay only slightly more than they draw.
    They will not relocate for higher paying jobs. In that instance, the housing market could factor in. It would be difficult to move, if a person cannot sell their home.

  • Sassy

    Right on Armymom!
    This Methodist has never once attended a political rally in my church!

  • creeper

    Oh, man…I’d kill for curls like that.

    I find it rather refreshing that Mrs. Miller looks like the lady next door.  I’ve had enough of the Stepford look.

  • AbigailAdams

    Christopher:  I’ll respond to your comments about the use of God by politicians and those surrounding them. 

    Only a few days ago, this blog was abuzz with comments about the Restoring Honor event in D.C.  That event was all about God (in whatever way you wish to interpret God).  The event ended with the the new Black Robe Regiment mounting the steps and in locked arms singing Amazing Grace with the 500K (I say it was more like 3/4 million) in attendance.  The event was all about a third Great Awakening — the first being the one that lead to the American Revolution, the second being the one that lead to the Civil War and the Emancipation Proclamation.  These events were preceded by a spiritual reawakening that was lead from the pulpit and amongst the spiritual leadership.  It was the first Black Robe Regiment (George Whitfield, Cotton Mather, etc) who informed the founders of this country.  And since these spiritual leaders came from all sorts of religions and sects within them, it came in the form of the overarching principles, among them that there is a God and from God comes our unalienable rights as individuals and that among those rights are life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.  To say that God and government must remain separate is to ignore the fact (no, not “my” facts) that this country was not founded on secular principles, but on the belief in Divine Providence.  Those statements are in our charter documents.  And all those words are there for a reason and not just because they sounded high-minded and lofty. 

    For Miller to invoke God in his message is only crass if you don’t believe that God does work through people.  I’ve never seen a check with God’s name on it.  You can’t cherry pick the organizations through which God works — Salvation Army, YWCA, YMCA, Habitat for Humanity, Boys’/Girls’ Town, WorldVision, just to name a (very) few.  The reason you haven’t seen or heard other politicians invoke God in such a direct way is because we haven’t been in a period of awakening since before the Civil War.    

    And as for anyone “shoving religion down (our) throats”, I don’t think that’s even possible.  Either you agree that there is a God or you don’t.  You agree that this country was founded on the rock of Divine Providence or you don’t.  Or at the very least you agree that, God notwithstanding, there are overarching principles that apply to our lives and to our country that, without which, we are lost and left wandering and unanchored, morally rudderless and just waiting for the next election in hopes of turning things around.  Such a proposition isn’t working for me and never has.

    Here’s a link to a post that may explain, in part,  the transformation we are currently experiencing:  http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/15295.html 

  • Sassy

    Excellent post Bronwyn!
    I am impressed with republicans Paul Ryan, Marsha Blackburn, Jeb Hensarling, Jason Chaffetz,and Eric Cantor. Phil Roe, my representative, is a retired physician who tried repeatedly to work with the administration on healthcare reform.
    These younger people are better educated, energetic, and could make a real difference for the country, if the new Speaker doesn’t stifle and hamstring them!

  • Armymom

    I have had more “Godly interventions” in my life that leads ME to believe that there is a God and he isn’t the government, thank God. Thank you for your eloquent post Abigail.

  • Sassy

    I saw a portion of Rory Reid’s debate…uh, he’s no rocket scientist either.
    Unlike Sharron Angle, he should be better versed in politics.

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    BH wrote “and his beard, which seems perpetually to be one week from coming in, evokes the plaid-shirted Brawny paper towel man.

    lol  yep.

    Reminds me of one of my old fav movies, The Favor

  • creeper

    I’m with you on the DOE, Annie.  The waste we see in our local school system is disgusting.  They continually tear down perfectly good buildings simply because they’re “old”.  If the voters turn them down on a bond initative to build a new school because there’s already a perfectly good one in existence, they stop maintaining the one they have.  When, after a few years, it is falling to pieces, they then cite its horrible condition as proof that a new building is needed. 

    Perhaps if we shut off the flow of money from Washington they’ll find a little more fiscal responsibility.

    I won’t even attempt to discuss what they’re teaching (or not teaching) kids in those spiffy new buildings.

  • oowawa

    I think that impeachment would only make him a martyr among the inner core of diehard believers.  Impeachment would bring out the evidence that fragments his base.  If he were to die in office, even from natural causes, THAT would make him a martyr, and his legend would grow beyond measure.  IMHO, that would be the worst possible scenario.

  • Docelder

    We can place our faith in a higher power or reject that power which leaves us placing our faith in the governments of man. If it were a choice, it wouldn’t even ba a close choice. But it isn’t a choice at all. Believe it or not, it’s up to the individual. We weren’t created to be worshipping drones. We were given free will. So use that free will that was graciously given and appreciate it.

  • GORDO

    From April 01:
    ——–
    “The U.S. Army is – unofficially – suggesting a brain scan and medical evaluation for an officer who announced he would refuse to follow further orders until and unless President Obama documents his constitutional eligibility to be commander in chief.
    A spokeswoman for the developing case of Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a flight surgeon with 18 years in the service, said the recommendation came to Lakin today from an officer whose name was not being used who implied that those higher up the chain of command thought it was a good idea.”
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=135313

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    I just saw the ad that a man is running in states across the country.
    Hillary for president 2012 with his own money.
    He just had a great appearance on FOX this morning.  His facial expressions and calling out Pelosi, Reid and Obama for the losers they are was delightful.

    I loved when he rolled his eyes on Barry.  He said he’s hoping he won’t run in 2012 so Hillary won’t have to split the vote.  He said  ”he has such a huge ego”. lol

    Did you see his ad?

  • creeper

    The problem with privatizing SS is the risk factor.  When you turn funds over to individuals you find a number of them who are willing to gamble with their own retirements in search of big returns. 

    If they’re going to privatize SS, there must be some restrictions on the amount of risk to which you can subject those funds.  So far, all I see is Wall Street lining up, salivating at the thought of all that money they can invest in their latest shell game.

  • Sassy

    Open thread:
    Fox has new reports on the Ground Zero mosque.
    Local reporter, Charles Leaf, has been tracking the money. The real estate developer, Elzanaty, who is backing El-Gamal, has made contributions to the Holy Land Foundation.
    This organization was supposed to fund orphanages, but in fact funded Hamas.

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    That’s where I figured that Obama Sign appeared.  They have been feeling it since 2000. We all remember the start when Boeing moved to Chicago.

    I was  living in the Seattle area for one of it’s worst economic/jobs years Sep 2001-02.  …

  • Docelder

    “Religious right” and “tax cuts for the rich” are both just branding campaign slogans. Neither really represents the truth. Of course there are religious democrats and of course tax cuts help everybody. While we are on the subject of mindless branding slogans… How about “hope and change”… it has turned out to be a euphemism for “rice and beans”.

  • creeper

    csuzeq, there’s a perfect example of what you wrote here in Iowa.  When I opened the website of the Rep who’s running against Obama lapdog Bruce Braley I was stunned to see absolutely no mention of abortion, gay marriage or any other social issues so dear to the hearts of right wingnuts. 

    They’re getting the message.

  • creeper

    Praise the Lord and pass the registrations!

  • oowawa

    “Either you agree that there is a God or you don’t.”

    It’s not that simple, Abigail.  Even the most evil Muslims agree that there is a God, and they behead people and stone helpless women in His Name.  The Inquisition was carried on in the name of God.  Many people have deep feelings about spiritual forces, but do not choose to objectify these feelings in the image of a paternalistic creator called “God.”  The Buddhists and the Hindus have complex spiritual beliefs.  Some are agnostic, and confess that they don’t know.  If we start to divide people along lines of believers and non-believers, we are doomed.  That’s what the Obots did!  Do you believe in Obama, or don’t you!?!?

  • AbigailAdams

    Docelder,  So very well stated.  We do not experience salvation collectively as Cone’s theory (and the president’s belief) of Liberation Theology posits.  This is a 1:1 deal with God.  Change your own life first and government will, must, follow. 

  • jbjd

    ch, M writes, “In God We Trust – I wish I had more official paper and coin that has that inscripted on it!”

    On the contrary, I wish we had less.  I have always considered the imprint, “In God We Trust” on our official currency to be an example of prohibited state sponsorship of religion, no less anathema to the principles upon which our country was founded than hanging the 10 Commandments in a federal courtroom; or fashioning the Creche depicting Jesus’ birth outside City Hall.

    Our Founders may have had religion in mind when determining what are “unalienable rights.”  But in their wisdom, they left religion out of our governming document, the U.S. Constitution.

  • Tony Stark

    What we really need more of in Congress are sensible moderates in both sides with common sense and compassion for their constituents and who are willing to defy their party leaders and the President when clearly called for, not extremists just wanting to push ideology instead of trying to find practical solutions that work. The problem in recent years starting in 2000 is that we’ve been swinging from one extremist Congress to another in response to excesses/inaction/gridlock of the previous sitting Congress and the administration.

  • bengalmom

    I was a loyal Democrat for 35 years.  2008 and almost 2 years of Barack Obama/Reid/Pelosi have turned me into a conservative Republican.  I look forward the the wave of “change” that is going to rinse DC of some (unfortunately not all) of the maggots (both Dimocrats and Repuglicans) that infest our government.  This is what term limits is all about.  It is up to the voters to pay attention to what is going on in government and limit the terms of entrenched politicians who have come to believe that we work for them.  Maybe it took an Obama presidency to wake people up to the fundamentals or the “basics” of what make this country great.  Whatever it is that is causing the shift in this country, it is positive and I am more “hopeful” than I have been in a very long time. 

  • AbigailAdams

    Armymom:  I think the message of this new awakening is the same as for the prior ones:  Change your own life, realign yourself with that higher power, and the leaders will reflect the true will of the people.  The nature of our government, right now, is a true reflection of the chaos that has been building for over a hundred years.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Yeah I wonder what a government-made iPhone would be like”

    If the government were in charge of developing, manufacturing, and distributing electronic gadgets (or ANYTHING for that matter),there would be no such thing as an IPhone. We’d be lucky to have two cans hooked together by a string.

  • FrenchNail

    Dario, your analysis is flawed. A few tea partiers in Congress can make a difference, because of the otherwise gridlock. They can leverage their votes or abstention, to negotiate and advance some of their key point agenda.

    It does not need a majority to change things in Congress, it just takes a indispensable minority.

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    Don’t you love how depending on the side you’re on, you can be “old style”, “retro style” or “leading modern style”.

    All is the same.

    Hillary started growing out her hair for a longer softer look.
    Halle Berry has gone with the 20′s look.

    No matter what name you slap on it, I don’t think the” Mullet ” warrants a return!

  • oowawa

    Yes, Abigail.  I do agree that it is a 1:1 deal with God, or Whatever.  It’s personal.  I also agree that changing your own life is key. 

    When it becomes a mass phenomenon, as it did with the huge worshipful Obama rallies, or even with the Beck rally, which tried to make the political movement that empowered his popularity All About God, that I get really nervous.  I don’t like religious fervor on a mass scale.  It’s ultimately dangerous.  People aglow with religious fervor can be manipulated by false prophets.

  • FrenchNail

    TERM LIMITS!!!!

    It has to be in the “New Contract with America”, the Reps are writting as of now.

    Call your rep candidates and tell them TERM LIMITS!!!

  • Onofre’s arm

    Fluffed up, curly, “big” hair has a higher “R” value than straight or short hair. They’re in Alaska after all.

  • jbjd

    Butch, I watched that video, and others.  Question:  why does this man who is so accomplished, wear a hairpiece? 

  • oowawa

    Beck’s rally: to elaborate.  I thought that on the whole it was a positive experience.  But the people who came together that day were doing so in the spirit of the Tea Party, which is a political and not a religious movement.  Beck, who I believe is drifting loose from his string, misappropriated the rally and tried to turn it into an evangelical God-event.  As a big Tea Party rally, I applaud the event.  I think Beck tried to turn it into something else.

  • Sassy

    Glenn Beck has acknowledge that his alcoholism took him to his absolute bottom. Those in that position may have people who will attempt to help, others find themselves deserted by everyone.
    The only way back for many is to seek divine help, and pray for the courage to restore their life and correct their mistakes.
    He is humble enough to know his weakness and human failings, and I’m sure he never wants to walk that path again.

  • jbjd

    BH, I loved this article.  It’s the narrative that keeps on giving… I don’t where to look next!  (I received a comment to my Roadmap to Fraud in TX, the visual with all the links, that sounded like it came from a kid who just received a present – ‘ooh, look at all the arrows and links!’ – and this reminds me of that.)

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes it won’t be the word “God” we need to fear in the direction we are heading…… Wait till these email campaigns’ end in “Allāhu Akbar” we will then know we have really turned the corner!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes, it won’t be the word “God” we need to fear in the direction we are heading…… Wait till these email campaigns’ end in Allāhu Akbar” we will then know we have really turned the corner!

  • AbigailAdams

    oowawa:  You make very good points, but I began my comment with “in whatever way you wish to interpret God”.  I hoped that would preclude the very statement you make.  You speak of Buddhists and Hindus and Muslims and their complex spiritual beliefs — I’d say that Christians and Jews also have complex beliefs.  But all of them, no matter what religion, comes down to individual struggles with something that is greater than themselves — and that’s my statement.  Whether one calls it “God” is irrelevant.  It is a belief that there is something greater than ourselves and specifically in this country, the one who made manifest, through our founders, the unique and up until that time, never before experienced, land of individual rights–explicit “unalienable rights”–protected by a Divinely-inspired constitution and bill of rights. 

    But to answer your comments further, let’s first agree that there are those within every single religion who have distorted the truths of that faith for a variety of reasons and I think we can agree that someone acting on the word of “God” like a Tim McVey or a “most evil Muslim” is not who we (at least I) am talking about here.  Rather, I am speaking of those who agree on the topmost intersection of their faith–where it intersects those of other faiths.   

    Yes, it seems counter to everything that is American to say there are those who believe and those who don’t and it makes a difference.  I’m not saying we need an accounting and a division, but what I am saying is that those who believed made all the difference and those who don’t have been the benefactors despite their claims that belief makes no difference. 

    And on your question about Obama, I don’t get the connection.  I was not susceptible to mistaking a man for God.  Actually your question supports what I’m saying.  If we place our faith in a man or woman without first questioning and knowing to our satisfaction (as is our individual, personal responsibility) that they are living and acting in accordance with the immutable truths of our faith we are most assuredly doomed.  That is what we are now experiencing and that is what many of us are reawakening to–our personal responsibility to get our personal house in order so that we can know what we believe and so we can know why we choose one political leader over another.  And, surprisingly, those people may or may not profess an open belief in anything.  What I will be looking for will be not what they say but what they do, how they conduct their own lives.  Are they a person of honor or aren’t they?  I want to live an honorable life, in my case informed by the tenets of my faith, so that I can know what real honor looks like in others–in my political leaders. 

  • kenoshamarge

    I realize the “risk” too creeper. But aren’t we then, once again, saying that “we” know more about what people should do with their money than they do? (Granted many of us do.)

    I don’t take financial risks, I don’t spend money foolishly, I don’t charge things I can’t afford and don’t need,

     I BELIEVE that if I have ten pairs of pants or jeans that that is plenty to cover even my amply derriere. Ditto for shoes. I find the “need” to collect so many things repulsive.

    Why then must the taxes that I pay go to bail out the wealthy that don’t need it and the feckless that don’t deserve it?

    I know that lacks compassion. I could pretend I felt otherwise but that would be dishonest. I prefer to be honest rather than have some think I’m a better person than I am. I can live with the latter, not with the former.

  • oowawa

    Hard to argue with that, Tony.  But for the time being, “revenge” really sounds like a satisfying concept . . .

  • oowawa

    the “Mullet”–

    Did that ever go out of style?  Not if you’re a dude with a hot Camaro!  Led Zep lives!

  • kenoshamarge

    I agree Christopher. Especially with the running in the other direction and not taking them seriously.

    I wish we would move beyond labels. For many years I considered myself a “moderate” Democrat and for the position took more hits from my fellow Democrats than I did from Republican friends and family. Makes me wonder why I stayed.

    If and when they start a common sense, fiscally responsible, don’t tell me what’s wrong with your opponent tell me what’s right with you, term limits guaranteed Party, tell me where to join and I’ll be there.

    Until then, I’m a moderate Independent who has come to lean more conservative lately then heretofore. I suspect the “lean” has come from being the kind that doesn’t like being pushed. You push me one way and chances are, just out of orneriness I’ll “lean” the other way. When the lean is more in line with what I think and feel the lean may well turn into a tilt. Until I just plain fall over.

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    Isn’t that the “stretched and botoxed”?

  • Breeze

    -

    Poll Shows Waning Support for
    Congressional Democrats, Obama,
    Health Care Law

     
    ABC News,
    by Susan Page   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    Democratic congressional candidates face a political landscape even rockier than those in 1994 and 2006 that ended with election upheavals that changed control of Congress, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds. As the fall campaign begins in earnest over Labor Day weekend, dissatisfaction with the nation’s direction is higher and support for the party in power lower than it was in those tumultuous midterms. (snip)Republicans are held in the same low regard as when the GOP lost control of Congress four years ago.

  • Sassy

    I agree Abigail!
    The Beck rally was preceded by an assembly at the Kennedy Center the night before.
    Faith has been a part of the planning from it’s inception, and all who attended or watched should have been aware of that fact.
    I found the experience very uplifting and encouraging, and I cannot think of another time when it is more welcome!

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Who can forget the opening credits of “The Favor”…red leather suit…hunky men…hanky panky in an alley…

    I bought the DVD just for that!  LOL!  

    Yeah, Mr. Alaska with a zillion children looks that hot.  And he’s educated!  What a  package!

  • oowawa
  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Spot on, ooowawa. There are as many ways to God as there are humans on earth. One’s intent is far more important than dogma, of which we have more than enough to go around.

  • Noogan

    I remember when Bush was in power, because he never LEFT! He just changed his name to OBAMA. All seriousness aside, though–heh–I despised Bush and I still do. I now despise Obama. And, I am not naive; I know I’ll despise Boehner. There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between any of ‘em. Bush wasn’t a conservative and neither is Boehner. 

    But I digress.

    Political Parties are the culprit; that and private financing of elections. Let’s do away with political parties [which I suspect that's what the Tea Party people wish they could do, or at least force the parties to actually stand for something so people had a choice!]. And, let’s have public financing of elections, so lobbyists and corporations don’t have undue influence. 

    Yeah, that’s what I thought. No one wants to do away with either one. Okay, then, carry on carrying on!

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    You mean like Nancy – with the permanently surprised eye brows?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.
    Beck brought together “True American Patriots” who are truly concerned about the direction the country is heading. Regardless, of his personal struggles in life, you see and hear exactly where Beck is coming from. If by expressing his faith in “God” has helped him personally sustain keeping on track so be it. The one thing he has done is to dedicate his time to reawakening the history of the country. What people take from it is down to the individual.
     
    “O” on the other hand was a virtual unknown, who ran on “hope and change”. Spent 20 years in Rev Wrights hate spewing church and brought together obscene followers who got in our faces and continued to spew hate at every opportunity. Not much more can be added here.
     
    Oddly the word “God” has people running for the hills in many ways but if we put the word “Spiritual” (closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc) in its place, if every one of those American Patriots last weekend reach out and touch 5 more people, we would have a coming together in this country never been seen before! This could be exactly the healing the country needs!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.  
    Beck brought together “True American Patriots” who are truly concerned about the direction the country is heading. Regardless, of his personal struggles in life, you see and hear exactly where Beck is coming from. If by expressing his faith in “God” has helped him personally sustain keeping on track so be it. The one thing he has done is to dedicate his time to reawakening the history of the country. What people take from it is down to the individual.  
       
    “O” on the other hand was a virtual unknown, who ran on “hope and change”. Spent 20 years in Rev Wrights hate spewing church and brought together obscene followers who got in our faces and continued to spew hate at every opportunity. Not much more can be added here.  
       
    Oddly the word “God” has people running for the hills in many ways but if we put the word “Spiritual” (closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc) in its place, if every one of those American Patriots last weekend reach out and touch 5 more people, we would have a coming together in this country never been seen before! This could be exactly the healing the country needs!  

  • Noogan

    Oy. If I got a letter like that from Miller, I’d shred it so fast he’d smell his nicely shaven beard smokin.’ 

    No thanks. You can’t reach me with the GOD appeal; my response is “it’s none of your business.” 

    But, he’s going for the Palin constituency, I guess; and trying to coax a little money out of THEM with the God appeal. It will probably work for them; but it wouldn’t for me. 

    I don’t give money to political parties, campaigns, or candidates any more anyway…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.  
    Beck brought together “True American Patriots” who are truly concerned about the direction the country is heading. Regardless, of his personal struggles in life, you see and hear exactly where Beck is coming from. If by expressing his faith in “God” has helped him personally sustain keeping on track so be it. The one thing he has done is to dedicate his time to reawakening the history of the country. What people take from it is down to the individual.  
       
    “O” on the other hand was a virtual unknown, who ran on “hope and change”. Spent 20 years in Rev Wrights hate spewing church and brought together obscene followers who got in our faces and continued to spew hate at every opportunity. Not much more can be added here.  
       
    Oddly the word “God” has people running for the hills in many ways but if we put the word “Spiritual” (closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc) in its place, if every one of those American Patriots last weekend reach out and touch 5 more people, we would have a coming together in this country never been seen before! This could be exactly the healing the country needs!  

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Jebus, It’s “Blue Sky” all over again.  

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.  
    Beck brought together “True American Patriots” who are truly concerned about the direction the country is heading. Regardless, of his personal struggles in life, you see and hear exactly where Beck is coming from. If by expressing his faith in “God” has helped him personally sustain keeping on track so be it. The one thing he has done is to dedicate his time to reawakening the history of the country. What people take from it is down to the individual.  
       
    “O” on the other hand was a virtual unknown, who ran on “hope and change”. Spent 20 years in Rev Wrights hate spewing church and brought together obscene followers who got in our faces and continued to spew hate at every opportunity. Not much more can be added here.  
       
    Oddly the word “God” has people running for the hills in many ways but if we put the word “Spiritual” (closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc) in its place, if every one of those American Patriots last weekend reach out and touch 5 more people, we would have a coming together in this country never been seen before! This could be exactly the healing the country needs!  

  • Noogan

    We have term limits already. It’s called elections. And, those are specified for you in the Constitution. Why do people who call themselves conservatives always want the federal government to establish a new law we don’t need?

  • Noogan

     Amen, oowawa. 

  • Armymom

    Nope, actually I agree with you. I want people who are honest, have integrity and character and not afraid to do what’s right by ALL the people, not a “group”. I don’t care if they have a “D” or an “R” or an I beside their name. Party doesn’t matter to me at all anymore.

  • AbigailAdams

    oowawa:  I hope it will help you to know that I was (I think) exactlly in the same spot you are currently in.  I was raised a Methodist — not strictly.  I made forays into “new wave” and all the rest in the ’80s and ’90s, and it took a good friend of mine about a dozen years to persuade me to go to a real bible study (not church-based).  Up ’til then, I was the poster child for “I can’t stand organized religion.”  And even after the first 3 years of bible study, I spent most of my time trying to find the inconsistencies in the Word.  I gained a real reputation for stirring things up.  But never once did anyone say I wsa on the wrong track and that I should believe “X”.  No.  Instead, I became the official doubting Thomas whose obstinate, oppositional views caused my classmates to “question with boldness, the very existence of God.”  And they welcomed it.  What began for me a quest to gain the upper hand in my arguments against religion by studying their “pogrom”, ended up only reinforcing (because above everyting else, I am intellectually honest) that which I had been railing against.

    I think you may be too biased in your opinions about believers and I would encourage you to sift through the information you’ve received that has formed your opinions.  With much respect to you, oowawa, you are repeating a lot of cliches.  There was nothing dangerous or scary about the Restore Honor event.  It was really like a family reunion (without the nut cases and drama) with people you hadn’t met before.  People spontaneously gave the very best within them to one another.  This is a very well-connected and solidly-grounded bunch of people.  There were too many examples of genuine care and real help to each other to document here.  You’re right that it was a mass phenomenon — one that we all saw as rather miraculous and not malevolent.  And so far as being manipulated by a false prophet, I can say without reservation, that no one there was seeking a prophet, but someone had to be in charge of making sure there were enough porta potties.  Other than that, I don’t think anyone mistook Glenn Beck or anyone else at the mic for an Abraham, a Noah or a Elijah.  Religious fervor?  We’ve read a lot about pitchforks and torches here at NQ for quite a while.  I saw neither on display at the Lincoln memorial.

    All I can say is I hope you will please respond to my invitation to read more and see more of what 8/28 was about, because your comments, without exception, do sound like those of others who weren’t there and don’t want to really know for themselves what it was truly all about. 

    Best Wishes, 

  • Noogan

    Thanks Breeze, any info on which two cases were dismissed by Bolton? 

    Just curious. 

  • oowawa

    the “Mullet”–

    Did that ever go out of style?  Not if you’re a dude with a hot Camaro or Trans-Am!  Led Zep lives!

  • Armymom

    And that remark about “many ways to God”… is what got me about Obama and why I decided he wasn’t a Christian. Hear me out on why I believe that. To be a “Christian” means to follow Christ. If you believe in Christ, then you also believe in the Bible and the Bible states that the only way to heaven is through Christ. There are Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists and they all believe differently. That’s no problem by me, they can believe as they want,  but to say you are a “Christian’ means you believe in Christ as the only way and Obama said he believed there are “many ways”. Hence in my opinion, not a Christian. That was my “red flag” moment on the “Obama is a Christian”. It just isn’t scriptural.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.
    Should read through….
    We come together under NO ONE. “We the people” come together on the basis we are looking for a better future than the one on offer at the present time under “O”!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.  
    Should read through..
    We come together under NO ONE. “We the people” come together on the basis we are looking for a better future than the one on offer at the present time under “O”!  

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Perhaps Beck wouldn’t have looked so tent revival-ish if he’d also included some pagans and wiccans…

    But the real point Beck tries to make, in an albeit Come to Jesus form, is that Americansare engaged in connecting to the energy of a higher power. It’s very clever on his part, actually, because it reaffirms that Americans are spiritual or religious and that it’s in opposition to the belief system of Islam – Eye for an Eye…

    Rev Wright and James Cone are the fanatical fringe – not the mainstream icons of America’s spirituality.  

    Like Ferd said, it is your intent more so than the dogma that defines a relationship with a higher power.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.  
    Should read through….  
    “We the people” come together on the basis we are looking for a better future than the one on offer at the present time from “O”!  

  • Breeze

    -

    Here you go, Noogan:

    FOXNews.com – Federal Judge Blocks Key Portions of Arizona Illegal

    Jul 28, 2010 ... A federal judge on Wednesday blocked the most controversial parts of A federal judge on Wednesday blocked some of the toughest provisions in the U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton also struck down the section of law that were making last-minute preparations to begin enforcement of the law
    http://www.foxnews.com/…/federal-judge-rules-arizona-immigration-law-dispute/ -

  • felizarte

    I prefer to have an idea of the god people are invoking and what they actually believe who is asking them to do what.  I’d rather have the Biblical God than the one that many installed in the White House.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.    
    Should read through….    
    “We the people” come together on the basis we are looking for a better future than the one on offer at the present time from “O”!  

  • ~~JustMe~~

    We should also take into account the people who came together under “O” and Beck.    
    Should read through….    
    “We the people” come together on the basis we are looking for a better future than the one on offer at the present time from “O”!  

  • felizarte

    “A third party would split the votes against the usurper’s kingdom and assure them of continuing control of congress and the time they need to totally dismantle this country.”

    That is why we’ll find dedicated Obots promoting this idea if they’re sure they can’t get you to commit to Obama.  

  • Docelder

    The thing is compared to the potential loss of the republic… abortion or gay marriage is small potatoes to anybody I would think and not just republicans. Obama is uniting us in an odd backhanded way. Just not at all in the way that fits his agenda.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yeah, Buzz, Beck  was quite clever. To include other religious systems of thought in the rally was a stroke of genius. I rather thought it was all-inclusive and uplifting without being maudlin. As for Wright and Cone–they are indeed fringers.

  • Noogan

    Two articles illustrate the dire situation on the economy, for anyone still in denial:

    See the pretty pictures:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/job-gains-providing-ray-false-hope
    And:
    Obama must create at least 230,000 jobs per month from September 2010 until the end of his second term to break even:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/obama-must-create-230000-jobs-month-until-end-his-second-term-return-breakeven-charting-new-

  • oowawa

    My feelings about Beck are mixed.  His enthusiasm is infectious.  The other day O’Reilly was defending him, saying “Beck is not a charlatan.”  In other words, he is saying what he believes.  Okay, I’ll accept that. 

    But anyone can see that he’s moving away from political discussions and into the realm of religious beliefs.  He is trying to find a basis for his political ideas in “God.” His program is becoming more and more focussed on elaborating a religious basis for his politics.

    My subjective personal feeling is that Beck is in danger of “losing it.”  The metaphor of the “loose cannon on deck” seems relevant to me.  I like him in most respects, but I find myself lately watching his show in dread of what he might say next.  I’m alarmed.

  • Noogan

    Brutal. 

  • Daisy Mae Big-Time Cracker Today

    Yes, Armymom.  I’ve belonged to 2 different churches in my town, both “mainline,”–one conservative, one liberal.  I had to write the board of the second one when they were unabashedly promoting Obama’s healthcare program.  Oh, we didn’t realize, was the rector’s response.  I believe I did mention tax exempt issues could be raised.  I’ve found that “God” can speak equally powerfully to both political sides.  Amazing that “God” is so Janus-like, out of both sides of “his” mouth, and it’s always “his.”  I want them all to stay out of my face politically now. And I’ve found they are both happy to take my money, do their politics, and don’t want me to object.  Buh Bye.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    The thing is compared to the potential loss of the republic… abortion or gay marriage is small potatoes to anybody I would think and not just republicans.
    ====================
    I’d go one step further on the issue of abortion, Doc. It is a meaningless wedge issue used to obfuscate. Roe v Wade will never be overturned because if it were, the Democrats and Republicans wouldn’t be able to continue to use it as a diversion for under-the-table wheeling and dealing. The hysteria over this is dumbfounding but it does supply the goose-steppers on both sides their 15 minutes of fame.

  • Noogan

    If that weren’t horrifying enough, the medical clinic owner even donated $6,050 to the largest Muslim charity in the US, with funds aimed at building schools and clinics for Palestinians in 1999. After 9/11 the US shut the group down claiming it was secretly in league with the charitable wings of Hamas, which sparked a protracted legal battle which ended with the Treasury Department conceding the group’s money went to “worthy causes” but upholding the ban.
    Of course nobody could seriously blame Elzanaty for this anymore than they would blame Hakeem Olajuwon or Microsoft, which also donated money to the group in the same year. But as with a comment which mentioned possible wilingness to accept foreign funding for the project sparked a flurry of stories about Iran (even though the mosque is not Shi’ite and Iran presumably wasn’t even considering such a donation), but it sparks an interesting scare story.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/09/03/scandal-as-ground-zero-mosque-backer-expressed-sympathy-for-palestinians/

     

  • Armymom

    Abigail, your story sounds a lot like mine, I still shake things up by asking questions of my pastor, or his sermon. My best Bible study came from Les Feldick and still does. And as far as Beck being a “false prophet”, even before Beck even mentioned this rally, I myself have thought that we needed to get back to our beginnings, spiritually. I kept thinking that we needed to get back to where we did for ourselves and our neighbors and not look to the government to do so, but where we trusted upon God to help us figure it out ourselves. Beck just had the “clout” to be able to get it done. I thought it was very uplifting and a plus for how they did the military and the honors they handed out. Ordinary people do great things, yet we look to our government for all the answers.

    I started out young, being raised by devout southern baptists, who then switched to Jevohah Witness. Needless to say, I got out of that and did my own thing, even “joining” the great “spaghetti monster” group. Hated organized religion and still do to an extent, but now instead of running from them, I challenge them. I’ve definitely have done my share of things that I’m ashamed of. But those are the things that changed me, changed my way of thinking. So I get upset when they would like to hound on the fact that Beck was an alchoholic and Rush abused pain pills, yet this coming from the same people who believe we should allow child abusers and pedophiles a second chance. My hubby is a recovering alchoholic, 17years drink free and I know what he went through to get that way. I’ll give Beck credit for realizing that he did what he did, but he doesn’t do it anymore. It takes a lot of courage to beat something like that.

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    Funny.  I really wanted to live there.  It just took us so long to make the move, when we did, it was collapsing.

    People that were making over 100K were now willing to take in the 60′s and 70′s to get a job.  And that was in 2002.  The 400K homes make that difficult.

    We knew we were screwed when it was taking 6 mos for hubby to get an  f u letter on a job he applied for with King County and it was for a job he didn’t apply.

  • Noogan

    Thank you, Breeze. 

    This just slays me: 

    U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton also struck down the section of law that makes it a crime not to carry immigration registration papers and the provision that makes it a crime for an illegal immigrant to seek or perform work.

    But she upheld the section that makes it a crime for anyone to pick up day laborers! So, potential employers can be arrested by state law enforcement, but illegal immigrants seeking or performing work cannot be arrested by state law enforcement. 

    Thus, Americans get criminalized, but criminals are treated like Americans!

    Orwellian. 

  • getfitnow

    I hope the congress critters have their listening ears turned on and up.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/142880/Americans-Likely-Favor-GOP-Newcomers-Congress.aspx

  • Armymom

    You’re right. When I helped out with the democratic party’s campaign a few years back, the head of the precinct stated exactly what you said. He said that they love to bring up the abortion issue because they can get their base out to vote, even though they know that it won’t be overturned and if it is, the worst that happens is that it goes back to the state, it doesn’t outlaw abortion.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

     I like him in most respects, but I find myself lately watching his show in dread of what he might say next.  I’m alarmed.
    ======================
    I understand the concern, oowawa. However, I’m more concerned about the malignant That One and his army of braindead drones who believe anything he says and fawn over his every word. I can selectively ignore Beck’s sometimes-over-the-top preaching so long as he continues to expose the frauds in the administration for what they truly are.

  • oowawa

    I never doubted the crowd for a moment, Abigail.  I think it was mostly Tea Party folks, whom I have always supported.  But Beck was much more than the porta pottie executive.  As I said, I applaud the event and think it was very positive.  I question where Beck is trying to lead the Tea Party.  IMHO, he is trying to convert a very effective political movement into a religious movement that will alienate many people who would otherwise support the agenda–and it is just not necessary.

  • AbigailAdams

    Hi again, oowawa:  I just have to correct your view of 8/28 event.  I’m not sure where you are getting your information, but I can see that it is not from the horse’s mouth — Beck, himself.

    This was most emphatically not a Tea Party event.  It was not a political event.   It was not funded by any Tea Party groups or individuals or, if any funds were donated by Tea Party people, it was not with their Tea Party hats on.  It was an idea formed by Beck with the help of a lot of people, it was funded mostly by Beck through the sale of merchandise on his website with the overage going to the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, a group he chose because they represented the three foundational tenets of Faith, Hope and Charity in their best form.  It was also an event to honor all military members and their families.  But most of all, it was a call to honor and remember the roots of our nation; the principles that brought it forth and have sustained us in our darkest times.  It was about God (however you want to interpret God).  It was not and never was a Tea Party rally to be misappropriated by anyone.  Beck secured the venue, created the program and we came to it.  You may see some “don’t tread on me” flags in the audience, but that flag existed before the Tea Party existed.  You may see some Tea Party shirts in the audience, but they broke the rules of “no signs, no political messages” made explicit by Beck over and over again.  If there was any misappropriation taking place, that would have been by over-zealous Tea Partiers who maybe wished it was a Tea Party.  Beck didn’t “turn it into an evangelical God-event”, it was intended to be a turning back to God event.  And it was.  To be very clear:  It was always Glenn Beck’s event — to do with it whatever he wanted.  It just so happened that there were a lot of people who liked what he was doing.  This was not a Tea Party event.  Glenn Beck isn’t even associated with the Tea Party.

    If you want to comment on 8/28, please take a moment (actually about 3 hours, 28 minutes) to view the CSPAN video.  It’s in the CSPAN archives at their website.  The original version of it had the opening pledge of allegiance (lead by an Eagle Scout) and singing the Star Spangled Banner on it, but for some reason it’s been cut.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    under should read through

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    IMHO, he is trying to convert a very effective political movement into a religious movement that will alienate many people who would otherwise support the agenda–and it is just not necessary.
    =====================
    I do agree with you on that one, oowawa. Beck should focus on character and what it means to be a citizen of this great country. We need to follow JFK’s admonition and do something for country rather than expecting the country, i.e., the oft-abused middle-class taxpayer, to do something for them.

  • jwrjr

    “It also says the judge erred in ruling that the law interferes with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.”

    In a perverted sort of way, the AZ law does interfere with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.  But that is true only because tge exec utive branch’s immigration enforcement priority is to not enforce existing laws at all.

  • jwrjr

    “It also says the judge erred in ruling that the law interferes with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.”

    In a perverted sort of way, the AZ law does interfere with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.  But that is true only because tge exec utive branch’s immigration enforcement priority is to not enforce existing laws at all.

  • jwrjr

    “It also says the judge erred in ruling that the law interferes with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.”

    In a perverted sort of way, the AZ law does interfere with the executive branch’s immigration enforcement priorities.  But that is true only because tge exec utive branch’s immigration enforcement priority is to not enforce existing laws at all.

  • oowawa

    The phrase, “an eye for an eye“, (Hebrew: עין תחת עין, ʿayin taḥath ʿayin (Modern: ayin tachat ayin, literally “eye under eye”)), is a quotation from several passages of the Hebrew Bible (Leviticus 24:19–21, Exodus 21:22–25, and Deuteronomy 19:21) in which a person who has injured the eye of another is instructed to give the value of his or her own eye in compensation. At the root of this principle is that one of the purposes of the law is to provide equitable retribution for an offended party. It defined and restricted the extent of retribution in the laws of the Torah. (Wikipedia)

    Not strictly a Muslim concept . . .

  • AbigailAdams

    Sassy,  Glenn Beck shares his life story as a way of illustrating the national story.  With his story he bridges the individual to the nation, showing how when we clear out the rubbish in our own lives and seek the Divine to anchor us that, as a people and a nation, we can expect the same redemption.  This is what our founders believed and it is why they incorporated the governance of our country through “our firm reliance on Divine Providence..” (from the Declaration of Independence).

  • Breeze

    -

    G.O.P. Poised to Control
    30 Governor Seats

     
    New York Times,
    by Nate Silver   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    Republicans are on track to control approximately 30 governor seats after the Nov. 2 election, according to the FiveThirtyEight gubernatorial forecasting model. And they are likely to do particularly well in the swing states of the Midwest.Such an outcome would reverse the current state of the nation’s governors’ mansions, which are now held by 26 Democrats, 23 Republicans and 1 independent.Thirty-seven states are holding elections for governor this year; an unusually high number, 24, are open-seat races in which the incumbent was either barred from running again because of term limits, or chose to retire.

  • Breeze

    -

    Embattled Rep. Charles Rangel’s
    legal tab is $1.8 million and rising

     
    New York Daily News,
    by Kathleen Lucadamo   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    The party’s over for Charlie Rangel, but not the legal bills.The embattled Harlem Democrat has forked over $111,170 to lawyers since July from his campaign stash, federal filings released Friday show. The bulk went to fighting 13 ethics charges.That cash comes from the $403,630 pot of money he raised this summer, most notably from his 80th birthday bash at The Plaza which attracted the Democratic elite.Rangel’s total legal tab from his ethics battle is more than $1.8 million, a growing expense he highlighted during his rant on the House floor last month….

  • Breeze

    -

    Second Gulf Oil Facility Fire Reignites
    Offshore Drilling Debate

    Fox News,
    by Staff   

    Original Article

    9/3/2010

    Fires in the Gulf of Mexico at two offshore oil facilities in less than five months has spurred environmental groups and some lawmakers to pressure the Obama administration to extend its six-month ban on deepwater drilling. (Snip) “How many accidents are needed and how much environmental and economic damage must we suffer before we act to contain and control the source of the danger: offshore drilling?” said Rep. Frank Pallone, a New Jersey Democrat. Mike Gravitz, oceans advocate for Environment America, said President Obama “should need no further wake-up call to permanently ban new…. drilling.”

  • AbigailAdams

    Ferd, oowawa:  This summary is from a writer “Lexington Green” on his blog “Chicaoboyz.net”.  In it, he forms the beginnings of his own summary of what he thinks Glenn Beck is getting at.  I don’t think he goes quite far enough, but it’s a very good start:

    http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/15295.html

    Green has a related post up there as well — an update.  But the post above begins “The Glenn Beck Rally is Confusing People.  Why?”

    I hope you’ll take a minute to read it.  To paraphrase: The right answers are simple, but not easy.

  • Breeze

    -

    jwrjr,

    Run your cursor just under your last line and you will see the DELETE

    BUTTON…..

  • oowawa

    “Oddly the word “God” has people running for the hills in many ways but if we put the word “Spiritual” (closely akin in interests, attitude, outlook, etc) in its place,”

    Exactly so, JustMe.  A great deal of damage has been done in the name of “God” (or Allah).  Do we distrust people who wrap themselves in sanctity and claim to have a mandate from God?  I should hope so!  This is not an easy subject–indeed, maybe it’s the most difficult subject there is, and people go to war over it.

  • AbigailAdams

    Here’s where I think there is a major disconnect.  Beck is not trying to lead the Tea Party — he is trying to unearth the history of our country which includes our founding and our founders’ reliance on the Divine.  The only “agenda” is spiritual, not political.  As hard as that may be to believe, it’s the truth.  If it so happens that there are Tea Party members who share these core beliefs, then it is because the Tea Party’s stated tenets are small government, etc., which just so happen to also line up with the founding opinions, based on individual rights, that humanity, if it is in alignment with the Divine, does not need excessive and frightening numbers of man-made laws to accomplish what individual people are capable of doing for themselves and each other.

    It is so much bigger than discussions of parties, politics and policies.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    How about the people attending/watching the “Restore Honor Event” will be the ones to shape how these events go forward. Maybe, a few regular Americans/citizens who attended/watched last week’s event should feel inspired to contact Beck and offer insight to how these events going forward, can become truly transformational for the good of the country. The religious aspect could be toned down; after all, not everyone wears “God” on their sleeve.  This will encourage more people join together to get the country on track. Just a thought!

  • AbigailAdams

    Buzz, Ferd:  I hope this doesn’t come off as nit-picking, but it wasn’t cleverness or shrewdness but athenticity, ernestness and the result of his own prayers that resulted in the program that was presented.  I had the great good fortune of travelling cross country and spent 5 hours talking to two people who spent their lives with Beck, so I am not speculating on this.  I will not say who they are but if I did you would understand the firmness of my convictions about this and anything else I’ve said about the  8/28 event.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    I like to think of it as every square inch that doesn’t have a religious symbol on it as the square inches reserved for those who don’t believe.

    I don’t like seafood or fish and am allegic to it.  It doesn’t mean I have to have everyone else stop eating it in a restaurant. 

    And, I always thought America was founded by those seeking freedom of religion amongst other things?????????

    :-D

  • getfitnow

    Fiorina supports it.

  • getfitnow

    Can you say gerrimandered districts? (sorry for the spelling.)

  • Lynn L.

    Call your rep candidates and tell them TERM LIMITS!!!
    Good idea, FrenchNail.
     
    All of my TX Congresspersons are Repubs, but term limits is an issue on which we might agree; I’ll see. There was a time, not long ago, when I naively opposed even the idea of term limits, believing that length of service in Congress, for Dems anyway, provided necessary and valuable experience for effective governance … I know now that permanent, unlimited terms only feeds their addictions to power, wealth, and winning another election, which leads to more power and wealth.   
    Service … that word reads foreign to me now when used to describe the work of POTUS and Congress.

  • oowawa

    I agree, Ferd.  Getting rid of Obama & his minions is my primary concern, and on balance Beck has been a positive force towards this end.

  • getfitnow

    I beleive I heard a single donor gave the Az defense fund $1.5 mil.

  • getfitnow

    I heard a number of callers, to a local radio program , that attended Beck’s event. Every last one of them spoke mostly of the comraderie–meeting great people from all across this nation that felt the same about the direction of the country; compliments to A. King, emphasizing her statement that we’re all part of the human race; honoring military heroes. I didn’t get the sense they were “holy rollers” or looked at the event as some kind of religious revival. I guess people were connecting on many levels.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Anthropologists and Psychologists have shown that Humans are predisposed to believe in a “Higher Being”.  And, most people turn to a GOD when they are at the end of their lives even if they have been pronounced atheists or agnostics all of their life.

    We will only know in the end if there is or isn’t.  In the interim, what difference does it make if you believe, and it helps you through life be a better person and feel loved and supported.  If it turns out there isn’t a God, then where’s the foul?

    :)

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    True, and what region of the world still puts it into practice whether it’s a small country or several large ones?  Bueller?

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    It’s warmer to have hair on your head in Alaska, for one reason.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Quite right, oowawa. However, many look towards the USA for guidance in so many aspects of stability throughout the world. If we are going to go forward “we the people” need to reach a balance together here at home. How can we continue to go forward if we are in such a shambles right here in the States? Off the top of my head no idea but maybe just maybe the “Restore Honor Event” is a start to shaping the country in the right direction?

  • kenoshamarge

    The new GOP majority will be a very short term majority if they didn’t learn the lesson that the Dems didn’t. Listen. Listen well, listen long and then act accordingly. Represenatives are supposed to represent their district not what the party tells them to do.

    Pelosi, who is uber liberal and is safely ensconced in an uber liberal district and will be until she can not longer totter up the steps with her giant gavel asked her people to take a risk that she did not. Thise that did are probably going to lose. They didn’t “listen” to the folks back home.

    If the newly elected Republicans that come to Washington D.C. in January are smart they’ll listen and tell the GOP leadership to pound salt if they don’t like it.

    Some will have learned from watching the left crash and burn. If the others play follow the leader, they’ll just follow the un-elected Dems out of Washington. Which is, IMO, a very good thing.

    What’s that quote:  “ Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty. 

  • creeper

    Even Palin doesn’t play the god card that much.  She shows her faith in her actions, not in a lot of empty words. 

  • kenoshamarge

    Abigal, I was and still am the “poster child for I can’t stand organized religion”.

    I respect everyone’s right to believe as they wish. If going to church or bible study groups is your thing that’s great.

    I just do not want the two things, religion and politics mixed.

    I do not have a hissy fit it someone prays somewhere in public or in a public building, I don’t even have a conniption fit if there is a creche in a public building at Christmas. I don’t get my knickers in a twist over things like that. I just do not want the government promoting religion. Ever. I don’t care if a president goes to church or not. I do care if it’s one like Oblahblah went to for 20 years and where he listened to Rev. Wright preaching hate.

    I am ambivalent about religion for the most part and expect that after all the years I have tried to find a way, and did not, I will remain so. I believe there is something. I don’t know what it is but it’s there. I also believe in living as good a life as I can so that before I die I can look at myself in a mirror and after I die I won’t have a whole lot of “splainin” to do. That’s my “theology” for the personal religion of Kenoshamarge. I don’t ask, nor expect anyone else to join my “church”. I just want the right to go there and be left alone from anyone, anywhere trying to convince me that “their” church is better. And I don’t want the damn government, that I mostly loathe, disrespect and don’t trust, involved at all.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    LOL OA funny… BTW did your gramophone/video channel break down? Where is the morning music today?

  • susiepuma-still a crazy cracker

    Just a thought – goverrnment created SS – why can’t it be elminated – would prefer to have that money IN MY account – I can then decide to spend, save or give away that money…………………

    BTW – I am collecting SS & paying for Medicare – I’ve paid into both for over 45 years so I feel entitled to that money – Medicare is bullshit as far as I can tell – I paid into it and now I have to pay for it @ 110.00/mo plus pay for another health care plan to cover what Medicare doesn’t – another 97.00/mo – now someone please tell me WTF???  What did I pay into and what did I pay into it for??

  • Sassy

    Speaking of foul, where was all the talk about a theocracy when Reverend Jesse Jackson, and Reverend Al Sharpton were presidential candidates!
    Dang, it sure has slipped my memory!
    Joe Miller has not won a Senate seat yet, but if he does, I’m sure democrats will give him the same welcome they did Sarah Palin!
    Those who only worship the almighty dollar have led us to ruin!

  • susiepuma-still a crazy cracker

    Is Beck running for office???  I didn’t know that – thought he just had a TV show on Fox where he comments on whatever catches his fancy – 1st amendment says he can say whatever he wants and it’s up to the people who watch or don’t watch (as the case may be) to decide if they like his message or not – simple way to decide – use the remote control – like or dislike – click or no click

    Let me know what office he is running for – need to watch for ads, etc.

  • Onofre’s arm

    Well ~~JustMe~~, it’s too late for morning music, how about this for afternoon listening.

    To do this justice though, you should probably watch it on You Tube full screen, and crank it up!

  • felizarte

    This entire discussion on Beck’s Restoring Honor . . , God, and politics, between all the parties, is most enlightening.  Reminds me of the debate between the participants in the Book of Job. 

  • Breeze

    -

    ‘Ripoff’ mosque man sued
     
    New York Post,
    by Tom Liddy   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    One of the money men behind the developer of the Ground Zero mosque was sued for allegedly ripping off an insurance company for nearly $1.8 million, according to court documents. Hisham Elzanaty, who owns medical companies that operate out of a building in The Bronx, allegedly billed State Farm for unnecessary tests related to automobile accidents that would maximize the insurance payout, the papers say. According to the documents, which were filed in 2007, the suspected scheme may have begun as early as 1998.

  • Breeze

    -

    Petrobras unveils $64.5bn
    public share offering

     
    BBC News,
    by Staff   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    The Brazilian state oil company, Petrobras, has unveiled plans to sell up to $64.5bn (£41.7bn) of new stock, in one of the world’s largest public share offerings. The transaction could be expanded to as much as $74.7bn if there were heavy demand, the company said. The money will fund the development of recently-discovered oil reserves off the coast of Rio de Janeiro. Shares in Petrobras rose 4% in late afternoon trade in Sao Paulo. The company said it would issue 2.17bn common shares and 1.58bn preferred shares. The price of the new shares will be announced on 23 September….

  • Justine

    Perhaps I misunderstand you, Oowawa.  Seems to me that an “embarassment to the President” is not good enough reason to keep all his records hidden.  He decided to run; everything about him should be revealed, embarassing or not!
    .

  • Christopher

    This is a pip.

    The New York Times on Saturday reports a deal between the U.S. and Afghanistan to bailout Afghanistan’s largest bank, Kabul Bank, after frantic depositors mobbed the bank for a third day to make withdrawals.

    Particulars of the deal are contradictory at best.

    Anticipating a backlash from Americans outraged over news the U.S. is bailing out a foreign bank, Jenni LeCompte, a Treasury Department spokeswoman said no U.S funds were involved in the bailout.

    But the plan calls for an injection of cash into the beleaguered Kabul Bank meant to slow the run on the bank by customers who have withdrawn more than $200 million in the past few days amid fears of a wider economic collapse.

    The Treasury Department claims to be only advising the Afghan government on how to manage the crisis — even sending a team of experts to Kabul. But it remains unclear what the source is for the infusion of cash into the Afghan financial system.

    If we learn the funds used to bailout Afghanistan come from the American taxpayer, the Obama administration could find itself facing an unprecedented constitutional crisis.

  • Justine

    I think Obummer needs a brain scan and medical evaluation, but who’ll order that??
    .

  • Christopher

    I hear ya, Bangalmom.

    I became a proud, registered Independent. I’m free of the two party tyranny.

  • getfitnow

    Todd Palin and Trig. I love this photo

  • getfitnow

    That One’s approval index –  -21 ;)

  • getfitnow

    That’s Rasmussen poll.

  • AbigailAdams

    Hi again, oowawa:  I really am just interpreting your objection to God as a request for more information.  I know there are many (too many) examples of God gone bad — of religion or more exactly religiosity run amok.  These examples are not the true religion.  Just as we filter what we “know” through our own experiences, too often what we end up with has been prefiltered or perverted by others for us.  Then what have we?  Second-, third-, fourth-hand knowledge?  That’s why I decided to study the Bible.  Well, I decided to study it because I was sure that what I’d heard was true and that the Bible would readily reveal the errors of that religion.  How else could I argue against Christianity unless I knew what it was about?

    There are lots of things that believers can make a genuine claim to having a mandate from God:  to love one another, to provide for the widows and orphans and to not forget those in prison.  Are believers wrapping themselves in sanctity by making those claims?  No one who also follows Christ’s admonitions to not take the credit for what He makes possible in the first place (our gifts) would for long dare to be sanctimonious — but there is the authentic claim to righteousness, and that’s not a bad thing.  It only means we are crediting God for for our ability.  And even then the resulting show of humility can be embarrassing, because it’s not supposed to be about us.

    I only bring these particulars up to illustrate the broader appeal to know what we are really talking about before we declare war on “religiion.”  It is a difficult subject, but it would be a shame to not discuss and through that discussion, attempt to gain a fuller understanding.  One thing that should make it easier is that no one holds all the answers. I think what makes it a difficult subject is that it is very personal — but has anyone seen any reality tee vee lately?  Seems like there are a lot more personal issues being discussed in prime time than religion. =-O

  • getfitnow

    Guess what? It’s not Obama!

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    bayareavoter sounds a little “concern trollish” to me.

  • oowawa

    Thanks for all your thoughtful comments, Abigail.  I don’t want to declare war on religion.  I am very devout, but my religion is personal, a combination of understandings related to Buddhism and Christianity.  I am wary of the misuse of religion for political purposes.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Maybe there aren’t any hair salons in Alaska.

  • AbigailAdams

    It’s already happening.  Just watch.  Listen for the way events are framed in the news and the comments made in response to them.  I’ve probably been more vocal about religion here at NQ than I ordinarily am.  I think it’s because it was the focal point of a recent, large event that is much in the news.  Otherwise I am very circumspect of overt religious showiness.  I know that a little over a year ago, about the same time that Pakistan successfully passed its non-binding resolution in the UN on defamation of religion, that I unlocked the closet door and stuck my foot out — just a wee bit.  It was then that I determined for myself (and apparently a few others, for themselves) that I had to figure out where I stood on my own religion.  Was I a Sunday Christian or what?  What do I really believe and why?  Was I willing to live that belief or play it safe so everyone would like me and I wouldn’t risk being offensive to anyone?  What the heck does God want from me?  These are tough questions.  Am I wearing God on my sleeve?  What does that mean, that I make you uncomfortable?  Over what?  Maybe by answering those tough questions for myself and my own family, others will have to size up their own beliefs–not for the purpose of seeing who’s who, but in order to live a more intentional life.

  • oowawa

    Well Christopher, it’s what we do best: bail out banks.  We’ve done so well bailing out banks in this country, it’s only right that we start internationalizing our expertise . . .

  • oowawa

    Let’s see–God was having this argument with the devil:

    “Consider my faithful servant Job”
    “He only likes you because the times are good.  I can make him curse you!”
    “No you can’t!
    “Yes I can!”
    “Do your worst!  He can suffer, but don’t kill him . . . !”

    Bad times for Job ensued . . .

  • AbigailAdams

    getfitnow:  Well, if you live amongst a lot of progressives, there would be a good reason not to go into the religion stuff — even on a a conservative talk radio show.  Even less if it wasn’t.  It would be extremely hard to miss the religious aspect to the 8/28 event.  Even Alveda King’s main message, drawn from her own faith, was about faith.  And you’re right, there were many levels on which to connect.

  • Breeze

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    AP Interview: Author leaving
    home next to Palins

     
    Associated Press,
    by Dan Joling   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska- Sarah Palin can take down the fence. Palin’s neighbor of three months on Wasilla’s Lake Lucille, author Joe McGinniss, is packing his bags and notebooks and leaving Sunday for his home in Massachusetts to write the book he has been researching on the former governor and GOP vice presidential candidate. His arrival in May made headlines and drew an indignant reaction from Palin and a visit from her husband, Todd. The Palins even tacked an extension onto an 8-foot board fence between the homes, leaving only a part of their second-story home visible from McGinniss’ driveway….

  • margaret

    How refreshing, a politician who can speak in full sentences.  Some of his ideas are extreme, but he sure does have brains.  He’s not just a pretty boy like our big-eared Prez (I have never understood people thinking Obama is good looking, maybe they’re just drawn to narcissists the way moths are drawn to a flame).  Remember, though, all those Repubs who voted for Obama in the primary?  They wanted a crappy Democratic Prez so they could retake power, and now we’ll swing the other way to the right wing extreme.  If it had been Hillary this backlash wouldn’t be happening.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Beck always makes me think he’s holding an AA meeting…he’s not taking up the cloth.  Non-demominational spirituality isn’t very threatening to me but I don’t want it focused in the campaigns.  I want the issues front and center.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    That is what resounds with me as well.  My grandmother was a devout Christian but you’d never have known it from her conversation.  She lived her principles and never ever preached.  If she hadn’t lived in such a small town, no one would have known what church she went to…faithfully every Sunday.

  • oowawa

    Good one, Buzz.  And I do understand exactly the connotations of the Bueller reference.  The answer is–the Muslim countries have the cruellest and most literal “eye for an eye” punishments.  More to the point, the New Testament with its themes of forgiveness and mercy, modifies many Old Testament laws . . .

  • oowawa

    Good one, Buzz.  And I do understand exactly the connotations of the Bueller reference.  The answer is–the Muslim countries have the cruellest and most literal “eye for an eye” punishments.  More to the point, the New Testament with its themes of forgiveness and mercy, modifies the harshness of the Old Testament . . .

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well if you are speaking to me direct Abigail as I mentioned below many fear the word “God” and basically to me God is who we as individuals want to interpret the word in my opinion. I firmly believe we all carry our faith/spiritual awareness within us, which allows us to reach out daily whenever the occasion arises. I was raised Methodist as a child, however, as I became older my views changed. I am not a church goer but does that mean I am any less a person than someone who goes to church weekly and praises God or classes their belief or faith a religion? My daughter as a young child through a friend sang in a choir at a local church. Naturally, I attended to support my daughter. During one of the services a leader in the church came to me wanted me to hand over all my information and to become a member at the church so I was able to be one with my religion and “God”. I personally find it very off putting that someone feels they need to instill into me what I need to do to understand “God” I feel I don’t carry a “religion” but a way of life! We all reach the balance we are comfortable with within ourselves and to me no amount of preaching “God” or Religion” will bring many who are uncertain of their beliefs/feelings into the fold to work together for a peaceful resolution to going forward! This is just my opinion how we can come together so the country can regain a balanced direction.

  • jwrjr

    When I do that all that I get is “Flag – Like – Reply”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well if you are speaking to me direct Abigail, as I mentioned below many fear the word “God” and basically to me God is who we as individuals want to interpret the word in my opinion. I firmly believe we all carry our faith/spiritual awareness within us, which allows us to reach out daily whenever the occasion arises. I was raised Methodist as a child, however, as I became older my views changed. I do not attend church but does that mean I am any less a person than someone who goes to church weekly and praises God or classes their belief or faith a religion? My daughter, as a young child sang in a choir at a local church. Naturally, I attended to support my daughter. During one of the services a leader in the church came to me wanted me to hand over all my information and to become a member at the church so I was able to be one with my religion and “God”. I personally find it very off putting that someone feels they need to instill into me what I need to do to understand “God” I feel I don’t carry a “religion” but a way of life! We all reach the balance we are comfortable with within ourselves and to me no amount of preaching “God” or Religion” will bring many who are uncertain of their beliefs/feelings into the fold to work together for a peaceful resolution going forward! This is just my opinion how we can come together so the country can regain a balanced direction.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well if you are speaking to me direct Abigail, as I mentioned below many fear the word “God” and basically to me God is who we as individuals want to interpret the word in my opinion. I firmly believe we all carry our faith/spiritual awareness within us, which allows us to reach out daily whenever the occasion arises. I was raised Methodist as a child, however, as I became older my views changed. I do not attend church but does that mean I am any less a person than someone who goes to church weekly and praises God or classes their belief or faith a religion? My daughter, as a young child sang in a choir at a local church. Naturally, I attended to support my daughter. During one of the services a leader in the church came to me wanted me to hand over all my information and to become a member at the church so I was able to be one with my religion and “God”. I personally find it very off putting that someone feels they need to instill into me what I need to do to understand “God” I feel I don’t carry a “religion” but a way of life! We all reach the balance we are comfortable with within ourselves and to me no amount of preaching “God” or Religion” will bring many who are uncertain of their

    spirituality/beliefs/feelings into the fold to work together for a peaceful resolution going forward! This is just my opinion how we can come together so the country can regain a balanced direction.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Buzz, Ferd:  I hope this doesn’t come off as nit-picking, but it wasn’t cleverness or shrewdness but athenticity, ernestness and the result of his own prayers that resulted in the program that was presented.
    =========================
    Shrewdness played a part or it wouldn’t have been as successful as it was. Shrewdness is not always a pejorative term.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well if you are speaking to me direct Abigail, as I mentioned below many fear the word “God” and basically to me God is who we as individuals want to interpret the word in my opinion. I firmly believe we all carry our faith/spiritual awareness within us, which allows us to reach out daily whenever the occasion arises. I was raised Methodist as a child, however, as I became older my views changed. I do not attend church but does that mean I am any less a person than someone who goes to church weekly and praises God or classes their belief or faith a religion? My daughter, as a young child sang in a choir at a local church. Naturally, I attended to support my daughter. During one of the services a leader in the church came to me wanted me to hand over all my information and to become a member at the church so I was able to be one with my religion and “God”. I personally find it very off putting that someone feels they need to instill into me what I need to do to understand “God” I feel I don’t carry a “religion” but a way of life! We all reach the balance we are comfortable with within ourselves and to me no amount of preaching “God” or Religion” will bring many who are uncertain of their spirituality/beliefs/feelings into the fold to work together for a peaceful resolution going forward! This is just my opinion how we can come together so the country can regain a balanced direction.

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  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well if you are speaking to me direct Abigail, as I mentioned below many fear the word “God” and basically to me God is who we as individuals want to interpret the word in my opinion. I firmly believe we all carry our faith/spiritual awareness within us, which allows us to reach out daily whenever the occasion arises. I was raised Methodist as a child, however, as I became older my views changed. I do not attend church but does that mean I am any less a person than someone who goes to church weekly and praises God or classes their belief or faith a religion? My daughter, as a young child sang in a choir at a local church. Naturally, I attended to support my daughter. During one of the services a leader in the church came to me wanted me to hand over all my information and to become a member at the church so I was able to be one with my religion and “God”. I personally find it very off putting that someone feels they need to instill into me what I need to do to understand “God” I feel I don’t carry a “religion” but a way of life! We all reach the balance we are comfortable with within ourselves and to me no amount of preaching “God” or Religion” will bring many who are uncertain of their spirituality/beliefs/feelings into the fold to work together for a peaceful resolution going forward! This is just my opinion how we can come together so the country can regain a balanced direction.

  • wodiej cracker dawg

    I saw it and there is no way I would ever vote for her-EVER.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    That sounds as though you may have cleared your internet cache. I have found that if I do that, I lose any ability to go back and delete my own comments. I even lose my site history.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Thanks Abigail.  That is excellent!

  • Senneth

    So our rule of law has shifted to what will embarass the sitting Resident and what won’t.  So if the Col. can’t make his case because of not being able to accesss those records won’t that be a miscarriage of justice?  I am appalled by all this cover up for that empty suit who stole the nomination and the election.

  • wodiej cracker dawg

    Personally, I am pumped up about mid-terms for the simple reason of people like Joe Miller.  It’s similar to making a snowman-you roll around a ball of snow watching it get bigger.  Sarah Palin, Tea Parties, Joe Miller, Sharon Angle, Fiorina and Whitman.  A blizzard is coming in November and this is one year I won’t mind seeing winter come.

    As for Social Security and Medicare, these programs are 75 years old and little has changed about them.  That seems way out of step with how our society in general has progressed with new advances in health care, technology etc.  On SS, I would be the first one to sign up for privatization of my own account.  Those who want a gov’t controlled check each month with no investment return can still opt for that.  But if you are single and you check out, your FICA tax contributions don’t go to an heir-the gov’t keeps it all. 

    On medicare, if we revamp health care it won’t be necessary. Everyone should have to make some kind of contribution towards their own health.  Many people are on medicare who have never worked a day in their life.  At least mandating some volunteer work or vocational training would be something that would help the individual become more self-sufficent.  Either we’re for limited government or we’re not.  If we are, then we need to get out of the way so people can stand on their own two feet.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Why then must the taxes that I pay go to bail out the wealthy that don’t need it and the feckless that don’t deserve it?  
     
    I know that lacks compassion.
    ====================
    I agree with you on the first part, kenoshamarge.

    However, compassion does not require one to be foolish. Bailing out the wealthy or those who choose not to be gainfully employed (or moochers)  is not compassionate–it is foolish. I help those in need in the local area in any way I can. I refuse to help those, though, who will not help themselves.

  • Christopher

    I am at a loss to understand (perhaps someone smarter than me can explain it) where it is spelled out in the Treasury Department’s charter or in the US Constitution, that it’s the responsibility of the United States to dispatch advisers to Islamic nations we’re allegedly at war with, to help fix their failing banks?

    Last time I checked, more than 800 banks right here in the US were either at risk to fail or would fail this year alone. Did the Treasury Department step in to advise and help them?

    When did Afghanistan become part of the US Commonwealth? This is patently outrageous.

  • getfitnow

    If it were McCain, I don’t think we would have seen this backlash. Why, it’s unprecedented–historic!

  • Breeze

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    Latest mosque issue – the money trail
     
    Politico, by Kenneth P. Vogel
    & Giovanni Russonello   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    First there was the battle over the mosque. Now there’s the battle over who’s funding the mosque and the campaign against it. The fact that it’s not easy to figure out where proponents and opponents of the mosque project in lower Manhattan are getting their money has given each side the opportunity to cast the other’s finances — and motives — in a sinister light. (Snip) Horowitz bristled when asked about the source of those funds, asserting the media’s time would be better spent delving into the recent refusal by Park51’s developers to rule out accepting contributions from Saudi Arabia….

  • AbigailAdams

    JustMe:  Sorry. Yesl, that post above was partly for you, but the rest more general rambling and thinking aloud.

    I don’t blame you for being put off by such a move.  It seems rather presumptious on the leader’s part.  Adding people to the church isn’t a numbers game.

    Everyone has their own comfort level with both God and religion.  And the only one who will change that is the person.  God can’t even change that.  One thing I learned and was resistant to was the idea that the more I knew, the more responsible I would be to live a Godly life.  Because once you know, there’s no going back except willfully.  And that’s what I was doing a bad job of explaining.  I didn’t think of myself as a Sunday Christian because frankly I don’t even go to church on a regular basis and like you my faith was lived on a daily basis.  One of the rather wonderful things I learned at the 8/28 event was how nice it feels to be in the company of the church (in its broadest sense).  I really liked it.  My view of church was a place where people with elevator eyes sum you up and the judging begins — not a genuinely accepting or friendly place at all.  But I think I’m really wrong about that.  And for those who would do that, I’m pretty sure I shouldn’t worry about them, except to pray for their own spiritual maturity — as I would want them to pray for mine.

    So, no matter where we are on the continuum, I think you’re absolutely right.  We can argue ’til doomsday over the fine points, but we need a gathering point right now.

  • FLDemFem

    Does that include sales transactions like the debit card deductions from the account??

  • AbigailAdams

    Ferd,  I didn’t think you were using it pejoratively. I wanted to make the distinction between Beck’s control over the event and what he credits to God.  The major concepts for the event were divinely inspired.  It’s actually quite a good story.  I think Beck’s reaction to these “shrewd” insights were “Holy Moly! You gotta be kidding!  Really?  Okay….”  I know he would be the first to credit God for the success of the event, from the weather to the incident-free crowd, to the “fly over” of the Canadian geese V formation that flew perfectly down the center of the reflecting pool at 9:59 a. that morning.  Sounds kinda nutty, but you’d have to have been there.

  • Breeze

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    Clinton hosting dinner for Ramadan
    geared toward young Muslims

    The Hill [Washington, DC],
    by Bridget Johnson   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    The administration’s marking of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan continues Tuesday when the State Department hosts an event. The administration’s marking of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan continues Tuesday when the State Department hosts an event geared toward young Muslims and an Iftar dinner with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. President Obama hosted an Iftar meal breaking the day’s Ramadan fast on Aug. 13. (Snip) Tuesday’s dinner will feature a video address from Clinton….

  • AbigailAdams

    And yours, oowawa!  I completely understand your wariness.  I used to be, too.  I feel very free of it now because I’m pretty sure I could spot religious manipulation in someone.

  • oowawa

    Yes Justine, I was being sarcastic, as is my curse . . .

  • FLDemFem

    I don’t mind God being on the money. As long as people remember that God isn’t into money, he is into manna and manna is free. I personally believe in God, I do not believe in religion. Religion has killed more people “in the name of God” than any other cause of violence. Millions of people through history have died for believing in the “wrong” God.  They still are. God said, as acknowledged by most major religions, “Thou shalt not kill”. He did not say “thou shalt not kill only those that agree with you”. He certainly never said “Go and kill in my name”. Someone should point that out to Muslims. When they kill in the name of God, they are contravening one of God’s commandments and giving Mohammed’s word credence over God’s word. That’s blasphemy. So my religious philosophy is that God is God is God and religion is just something people hate and kill each other over.  The world would be a better place without religion.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    I can fully accept the way you describe your Godly life, Abigail…… I class mine as a spiritual journey and live accordingly to what life brings to me on a daily basis. All of us stumble or fall along the way; we express ourselves on different levels, be it humor and yes at times anger. Life has a way of throwing us off track, the people we meet, our families and relationships all have some influence on us through life. Work, even stress brings forth different results in how we behave/react to circumstances along our path. However, if we have a central focus of how we attain our beliefs we cannot go far wrong.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    This is what the Obama Democrats have brought on us.  We have to vote Republican to get rid of these rogue Democrats, but then we’ll have a bunch of Republicans trying to pass all kinds of extreme crap.  In case this guy didn’t ever study anything about the Constitution, it’s been amended many times since the Founders.  That’s the nature of our system.  What worked in the 18th century, wouldn’t work today.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Speaking for yourself only.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    bayareavoter:  The answer to that is to save this country from being turned over to foreign invaders.  If the Dems keep the majority they will turn the United States into a foreign country–foreign to traditional American citizens.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Do we have a photo of Jerry Falwell whining about how PERSECUTED the born again Christians were?  GW Bush rode that one right into the WH.  Bush promised the Christians a theocracy–completely unconstitutiona; O’Bummer promised the Mexicans mass amnesty and the AAs that he would take all the money from white people and give it to them–completely unconstitutional.  We need a rational honest person in the WH.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Yes and I believe not too many of the Repub candidates are Tea Party people.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Term limits are good because career politicians get too much power and they don’t have to work for a living so they are passing laws that affect a society they know nothing about in reality.

  • rosa

    I don’t get that many forget these facts about  Bush while complaining about dems , same with fox news.  They were as bad as msnbc and the rest of the media now.

    If we keep electing people out of spite we will get more of what we have now and the eight years before. We need to do better.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Another nail in the Dim coffin.

  • Breeze

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    “ISLAMIZATION OF PARIS A WARNING TO THE WEST

    CBN NEWS
    By Daniel Hurd
    Aug. 4, 2010

    PARIS – Friday in Paris. A hidden camera shows streets blocked by huge crowds of Muslim worshippers and enforced by a private security force.

    This is all illegal in France: the public worship, the blocked streets, and the private security. But the police have been ordered not to intervene.

    It shows that even though some in the French government want to get tough with Muslims and ban the burqa, other parts of the French government continue to give Islam a privileged status.

    An ordinary French citizen who has been watching the Islamization of Paris decided that the world needed to see what was happening to his city. He used a hidden camera to start posting videos on YouTube. His life has been threatened and so he uses the alias of “Maxime Lepante. “ 

    Lepante’s View

    His camera shows that Muslims “are blocking the streets with barriers. They are praying on the ground. And the inhabitants of this district cannot leave their homes, nor go into their homes during those prayers.”

    “The Muslims taking over those streets do not have any authorization. They do not go to the police headquarters, so it’s completely illegal,” he says.

    The Muslims in the street have been granted unofficial rights that no Christian group is likely to get under France’s Laicite’, or secularism law.

    “It says people have the right to share any belief they want, any religion,” Lepante explained. “But they have to practice at home or in the mosque, synagogues, churches and so on.”

    Some say Muslims must pray in the street because they need a larger mosque. But Lepante has observed cars coming from other parts of Paris, and he believes it is a weekly display of growing Muslim power.

    “They are coming there to show that they can take over some French streets to show that they can conquer a part of the French territory,” he said.

    CONTINUED BELOW

  • Breeze

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    France’s Islamic Future?

    If France faces an Islamic future, a Russian author has already written about it. The novel is called “The Mosque of Notre Dame, 2048,” a bestseller in Russia, not in France.

    French publisher Jean Robin said the French media ignored the book because it was politically incorrect.

    “Islam is seen as the religion of the poor people, so you can’t say to the poor people, ‘You’re wrong,’ otherwise, you’re a fascist,” Robin explained.

    The book lays out a dark future when France has become a Muslim nation, and the famous cathedral has been turned into a mosque.

    Whether that plot is farfetched depends on whom you ask. Muslims are said to be no more than 10 percent of the French population, although no one knows for sure because French law prohibits population counts by religion.

    But the Muslim birthrate is significantly higher than for the native French. Some Muslim men practice polygamy, with each extra wife having children and collecting a welfare check.

    “The problem of Islam is more than a problem of numbers,” said French philosopher Radu Stoenescu, an Islamic expert who debates Muslim leaders on French TV. “The problem is one of principles. It’s an open question. Is Islam an ideology or just a creed?”

    “It doesn’t matter how many there are,” he aded. “The problem is the people who follow Islam; they’re somehow in a political party, which has a political agenda, which means basically implementing Sharia and building an Islamic state.”

    In Denial or Fed Up

    From the 1980s until recently, criticizing or opposing Islam was considered a social taboo, and so the government and media effectively helped Islam spread throughout France.

    “We were expecting Islam to adapt to France and it is France adapting to Islam,” Robin said.

    About the burqa controversy, one French Muslim man told a reporter that Europeans should respect Muslim dress. One Parisian woman wearing a headscarf said “the veil is in the Koran” and “we only submit to God and nobody else.”

    But even if many government elites are in France are in denial over Islam, the people in the streets increasingly are not. Some have become fed up with what they see as the growing Islamization of France.

    They’ve started staging pork and wine “aperitifs,” or cocktail parties in the street. They’re patriotic demonstrations meant to strike back against Islam.  Another national demonstration is planned for Saturday, Sept. 4. 

    A Warning to the West 

    The French parliament is expected to debate the burqa law in September. Jean-Francois Cope, president of the Union for a Popular Movement political party, has a warning for the West and for America. 

    “We cannot accept the development of such practice because it’s not compatible with the life in a modern society, you see,” he said. “And this question is not only a French question. You will all have to face this challenge. ”

    For more insight on the slide toward a post-Christian Western society, check out Dale Hurd’s blog Hurd on the Web

    For more insight on ‘Islamization’ around the world, check out Stakelbeck on Terror.

    **Originally published September 1, 2010.

  • csuzeq

    As far as labeling people due to religious beliefs, it is interesting that Harry Reid and Glenn Beck are both Mormons.  does that make their politics identical?  Don’t think so!

  • Breeze

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    FEC allows SEIU’s illegal
    political fund-raising scheme

     
    American Thinker,
    by Rick Moran   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    This is just a bit heavy handed, even from the thugs at SEIU: Imagine the outcry if McDonalds executives demanded that franchise owners collect “voluntary” contributions totaling $25,000 for the company’s Political Action Committee (PAC) from employees at every restaurant. (Snip) Replace “McDonalds” with “SEIU” in that description and you’ve got a pretty good idea of Big Labor’s latest political fundraising strategy. To meet their ambitious fundraising targets, Service Employees International Union bosses are now threatening to fine any local affiliate that doesn’t meet its PAC contribution requirements.

  • Breeze

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    Time to Start Standing Up for America
     
    Eagle Forum,
    by Phyllis Schlafly   

    Original Article

    9/4/2010

    Among the dangers lurking in Congress’s fall session and Lame Duck Session will be Obama’s demand that the Senate rush to ratify the treaty called New START, which he signed with the Russians in Prague last April. This treaty is not only a bad idea; it’s downright dangerous to U.S. national security. For the first time in the long record of U.S.-Russian treaties, New START links offensive and defensive weapons. Obama’s advocates of ratification say that doesn’t matter because the link is only in the preamble and that doesn’t bind us.

  • eyelets

    A clean house.  Aaaahhh…

  • eyelets

    A clean House.  Aaahhh…feels so good!

  • oowawa

    “The U.S. Army is – unofficially – suggesting a brain scan and medical evaluation for an officer who announced he would refuse to follow further orders until and unless President Obama documents his constitutional eligibility to be commander in chief.”

    A frontal lobotomy may be necessary.  It’s the humane thing to do.

  • oowawa

    “I find the “need” to collect so many things repulsive.”

    I’m sorry, Kenoshamarge, that you have never discovered the joys of being a packrat.

  • oowawa

    I saw that flight of geese on television.  Breathtaking.  A flight of geese like that, in perfect V formation, always gives me a chill.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Great read Harbor Master, :)

    Oy-T

    early Muslim satirist.
    Al-Jahiz returned to Basra after spending more than fifty years in Baghdad. He died in Basra in 868 as a result of an accident in which he was crushed to death by a collapsing pile of books in his private library. A fitting death for a writer.

    (known for satire and being the first Muslim Zoologist.)

  • EllenD

    I also believe in living as good a life as I can

    Thanks for that sum-up for me as an atheist, Marge.
    I also don’t care about public displays in proportion.
    I respect everyone so long as their religion isn’t directed toward me.

  • getfitnow

    …Pelosi, who is uber liberal and is safely ensconced in an uber liberal district…
    ******************
    This is why I favor term limits.

  • kenoshamarge

    One of many reasons that I also favor term limits. My second reason for term limits is to make sure there are NO damn cushy retirement funded by taxpayers who can only dream of such pension plans. Make sure that term limits are not enough to collect a pension from the taxpayers. Work for it like those in the private sector have to do. (Mostly. Not talking CEO atrocities here but then taxpayers don’t directly fund them. Indirectly in the cost of services or goods, you betcha!) 

  • Breeze

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    Paris Video Shows The Future
    of Ground Zero

     
    American Thinker,
    by Stella Paul   

    Original Article

    9/5/2010

    Let’s cut to the chase, shall we? The mysterious Mideast patrons of the Ground Zero Mosque expect to get a lot of bang for their petrobucks — $100 million worth, in fact. It’s our job to figure out exactly what form that bang will take. We already know that the Victory Mosque of the Nineteen Martyrs will be the greatest symbol of Islamic conquest since 705 CE – the landmark year when the al-Aqsa Mosque was thrust over the obliterated remains of the First and Second Holy Temples of the Jews in Jerusalem.

  • kenoshamarge

    You are exactly right Ferd. However past experience has taught me that when I express such things the immediate response from the nearest bleeding heart is that I lack compassion. I just own up to it now since it’s easier that fighting off a deluge of “oh you nasty person you” snitfits by nitwits.

  • AbigailAdams

    I’m with rethinking federal support of schools, too.  As it stands,  it really looks like the unions own our public education, anyway.  I’m looking very closely at any domestic federal spending.  There is so much fraud, waste and abuse that every single department of federal government has its own fraud, waste and abuse department.  I can only imagine how many gov’t jobs that accounts for. 

  • kenoshamarge

    Strangely I never did oowawa. I have an acquaintance that sits with her remote in one hand and her cell in the other with her eyes glued to the HSN.  Just before the housing bubble burst they purchased one of those new mini-mansions with not one, not two, but three walk-in closets and a couple of thousand square feet of space to put all their stuff and to pay taxes on. Also 20 foot ceilings in the “great” room which is nice for allowing all the heat you pay through the nose for here in Wisconsin to rise above you, so to speak. Hubby has worked to provide all this largess for the little woman, she has never held a job and they have only one daughter who flew the nest years ago. Now his company is downsizing, their mortgage is under water, and still this twit is shopping. IMO people like her, with their obsession with stuff, are one step away from the pathetic creatures you see on the Discovery channel as “Hoarders”.

    I’ll try to live without 100 pairs of pants, hundreds of pairs of shoes and bragging rights on a storage pod full of more. I don’t need them, don’t want them and certainly can’t afford them.

    Pack-rat? Not a chance. More like the ant in the Aesop story of the Grasshopper and the Ant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper

    I’ve all ready got my plastic film to cover my windows against the winter winds, bought at the end of last season on sale. I think of myself as frugal. Others, think cheap. Whatever, it works for me.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    You are exactly right Ferd. However past experience has taught me that when I express such things the immediate response from the nearest bleeding heart is that I lack compassion.
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    I  hear you, Kenoshamarge. I do hate it when bleeding hearts make baseless assumptions. That being said, a moocher is a moocher and a bailout will only lead to more bailouts. This must stop and the time is now.

  • Katmoon

    Excellent exchange here, I appreciate the honesty, and the true discussion on this thread. As I have stated before I am a sort of spiritual Hobo, quite open to listening. I believe people are wary of most anything that could be translated(not by me, but generally, the media, the public, etc., as it perpetuates a prejudice) into a group following. I observed the Beck event as an event, and I also think there is an effort to have people examine personal choice and responsibility through many lenses.  Evaluation of all groups, and parties, all things which effect our daily life is necessary for complete understanding, of anything. I am grateful for the Beck gathering; at the same time I am not a follower of (insert what suits), more of a watcher, I have been burned enough, and am wary, however continue to hold what I know to be my truth. I know, a single human being does not have the answer, I know we are collectively responsible for our country, I know I am responsible for my actions, spiritually, politically. My version of God, lives within me, and around me in everything, every experience. My reaction, my understanding and application of these experiences will take me to where I either continue to grow as a human being, or not. I trust myself, so no need to turn that wariness into worry over being tricked, I am capable and can comprehend whatever my present skill set given the circumstance is. I am clear on what I understand to be dangerous to all of our country, the parties and people deliberately dividing and piting the people against each other; in that clarity I am lead to the further understanding of what we all crave, our need for a common good, which benefits all Americans, equally, without recrimination or retribution.    

  • Breeze

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    Dems shrink from health care
     
    Politico,
    by Jennifer Haberkorn   

    Original Article

    9/5/2010

    A handful of House Democrats are making health care reform an election-year issue — by running against it. At least five of the 34 House Democrats who voted against their party’s health care reform bill are highlighting their “no” votes in ads back home. By contrast, party officials in Washington can’t identify a single House member who’s running an ad boasting of a “yes” vote — despite the fact that 219 House Democrats voted in favor of final passage in March. Democrats have taken that advice to heart….

  • Breeze

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    Mosque building owners nixed
    $18M offer before taking $4.8M one

     
    New York Post,
    by ISABEL VINCENT
    and MELISSA KLEIN   

    Original Article

    9/5/2010

    The original owners of the Ground Zero mosque site mysteriously spurned dozens of higher bids before selling the prime downtown real estate at a bargain-basement price. The Pomerantz family, which had owned the building since the late 1960s and fielded offers after the patriarch died in 2006, rejected at least one bid that was nearly four times what prospective mosque builder Sharif El-Gamal eventually paid, The Post has learned.

  • Katmoon

    Breeze, I have been thinking about this situation again, this mosque, this place, at this time. I have that feeling of this seems almost missionary settlement-like; a religion that is foreign(in belief structure) to many Americans. It occurred to me that many of the other faiths have had their public beatings and humilation and most important their acknowledgement of the previous histories of barbarism. Having to own their ugly pasts which were also cruel and uncivilized in the name of God.(not done by God, but by mankind) Yet fast forward to the 21st century and we are expected to openly, calmly accept this building(not speaking to the legality of it, I am talking about the objection to it). It is hard to roll out the red carpet when this religion does not place itself into the 21st century. Instead of openly inviting examination into the building details and desire for this place at this time, there is a shutting down of information. I perceive the expectation of acceptance as foolish and forceful, on purpose. Granted all of the faiths have room for improvment in many ways, yet this particular one makes no apologies for their current brutality(IMHO it is part of the faith when it is not denied, as in Sharia Law, Sharia loans, etc); this is why I am opposed, I see only excuses. I don’t believe it bigotry of any sort to hold a groups actions against the group; yes guilt by association(if one does not want that attribution do not be part of the group)- if it is not associated with the faith and this is not part of the faith, then why do clerics fear coming out in huge numbers to decry the barbaric traditions?  Because there are consequences, and rewards. What those are exactly is the unknown and partial cause for this knee jerk reaction, by the American public. As to the missionary- like increase in construction of Mosques, it seems to me there is a need to generate more buildings to create more Muslims, that is my experience of how the need for the building works, not the other way around. As our country has developed many faiths maintained a location, so to speak, which in later years graduated to other areas as people moved and migrated according to their needs. The Quakers, LDS, the original Catholic missons come to mind. Just my 2 cents worth. Is this a Field of Dreams invitation?

  • Katmoon

    In a nutshell, I believe my reaction to this Mosque is similar to my Abenaki ancestors to the Catholic Missions.  

  • Breeze

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    Kat,

    I have been a longtime subscriber to the SaudiAramco Magazine, as they have
    wonderful archaeological and historical articles.  It is also a superbly printed
    and illustrated periodical.  It is FREE.

    IMHO, even without what we know today, it is almost impossible to avoid the
    fact that there is definitely a longing for the days of “Al Andaluz” – the days
    when Muslims were lords of Spain – in the Arab world, constantly transpiring
    through this magazine.  By pertinent articles they subtly keep the illusion alive.
     It is as though they never really left Iberia….. 

    It is all very subtle and the ‘occupations’ by Muslims in practically every country
    in Europe and their subsequent loud, persistent and belligerent demands come
    as no surprise.  Australia is also going through this, as  we in America are
    getting the beginning of the overt tactics with the Mosque controversy.

    It seems to me a very concerted effort to ‘take over the world’ with Shariah,
    there is too much evidence not to think so. 

    Religion is only the tool by which the people who carry out the orders of the ‘puppeteers’ are manipulated.  Otherwise, religion is really insignificant, but
    that is the weapon they use and what they want us to concentrate on.

    As in England, by Blair and Brown, we are being manipulated by Barack Hussein
    Obama into letting these people take over, if we are not alert and reactive.

    It is a multi-pronged world-wide effort, shrouded by the word ‘religion’….

    Amazingly, Islam and Marxism are close allies, thereby becoming

    ISLAMO-FASHISM…..

    (Believe me, having been born in Italy in 1937, I know what Fashism is…..)

    Just my 2 cents’ worth…..

  • Katmoon

    Breeze, thank you for the information about SaudiAramco Magazine, I will check it out. I couldn’t agree more. Religion is used to pry the door open to step in with whatever else the group seeks to gain.

  • Breeze

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    “In a nutshell, I believe my reaction to this Mosque is similar to my Abenaki ancestors to the Catholic Missions.”

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    Definitely, Kat!!!

    The French used the same tactics as the Arabs.

    I believe in reincarnation and it has been my fervent hope for years that when
    I do reincarnate the three Abramic religions will only be a distant memory.

    The world may, then, have come closer to a state of peace.

  • arabella trefoil

    In the city where I live, the cops would rather give out tickets for  stuff like broken turn signal lights than speeding tickets. Because the city of WP gets to keep 100% of the fine for stuff like broken tail lights, but they have to split speeding fines with the state of NY. (They only get 50% of the fine.)

    When they ticket you for something like a broken head light, they tell you if you get it fixed within 48 hours and bring the car to the police station to show the policemen you have fixed the head light, you don’t have to pay the fine.

    The first time this happened to me I got the light fixed, and I went into the police station. I said (to the cop behind the bullet-proof glass) “Hi, I’m here to show you my repaired light!”

    There was a lot of muttering and discussion as the cops looked at me as if I was from Mars. They finally got a cop to come out and look at my car. They voided the ticket,and I saved $35.00!

    Later I found out that NOBODY in the city of WP gets things fixed and comes to the police station to show the policemen the repairs. They just pay the ticket.

    No  wonder the cops were confused.

    When they stop you for a broken tail light, they run your drivers license etc. I’m a 58 year old white lady. Are they profiling me?

    Nope, they just want their extra money. Which they never get from me, because I always fix the lightand bring the car to the police station.

  • Breeze

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    WHERE IS THE REST OF THIS THREAD?

  • kenoshamarge

    Your grandmother sounds exactly like my grandmother Annie. She taught by example and if we didn’t “learn” as well from her as we should have, that’s on us, not on her.

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