Comments on: Dumbstruck Dems * Open Thread http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Saturday’s Wide Open Thread : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1389057 Saturday’s Wide Open Thread : NO QUARTER Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:10:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1389057 [...] I realize that, as candidates goes this season, he is very qualified. (As to his qualifications, see my post in early September.) However, I think it’s important that we be informed about the [...] [...] I realize that, as candidates goes this season, he is very qualified. (As to his qualifications, see my post in early September.) However, I think it’s important that we be informed about the [...]

]]> By: kenoshamarge http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401718 kenoshamarge Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:26:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401718 Your grandmother sounds exactly like my grandmother Annie. She taught by example and if we didn't "learn" as well from her as we should have, that's on us, not on her. Your grandmother sounds exactly like my grandmother Annie. She taught by example and if we didn’t “learn” as well from her as we should have, that’s on us, not on her.

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401623 Breeze Mon, 06 Sep 2010 00:03:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401623 - WHERE IS THE REST OF THIS THREAD? -

WHERE IS THE REST OF THIS THREAD?

]]> By: arabella trefoil http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401572 arabella trefoil Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:25:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401572 In the city where I live, the cops would rather give out tickets for  stuff like broken turn signal lights than speeding tickets. Because the city of WP gets to keep 100% of the fine for stuff like broken tail lights, but they have to split speeding fines with the state of NY. (They only get 50% of the fine.) When they ticket you for something like a broken head light, they tell you if you get it fixed within 48 hours and bring the car to the police station to show the policemen you have fixed the head light, you don't have to pay the fine. The first time this happened to me I got the light fixed, and I went into the police station. I said (to the cop behind the bullet-proof glass) "Hi, I'm here to show you my repaired light!" There was a lot of muttering and discussion as the cops looked at me as if I was from Mars. They finally got a cop to come out and look at my car. They voided the ticket,and I saved $35.00! Later I found out that NOBODY in the city of WP gets things fixed and comes to the police station to show the policemen the repairs. They just pay the ticket. No  wonder the cops were confused. When they stop you for a broken tail light, they run your drivers license etc. I'm a 58 year old white lady. Are they profiling me? Nope, they just want their extra money. Which they never get from me, because I always fix the lightand bring the car to the police station. In the city where I live, the cops would rather give out tickets for  stuff like broken turn signal lights than speeding tickets. Because the city of WP gets to keep 100% of the fine for stuff like broken tail lights, but they have to split speeding fines with the state of NY. (They only get 50% of the fine.)

When they ticket you for something like a broken head light, they tell you if you get it fixed within 48 hours and bring the car to the police station to show the policemen you have fixed the head light, you don’t have to pay the fine.

The first time this happened to me I got the light fixed, and I went into the police station. I said (to the cop behind the bullet-proof glass) “Hi, I’m here to show you my repaired light!”

There was a lot of muttering and discussion as the cops looked at me as if I was from Mars. They finally got a cop to come out and look at my car. They voided the ticket,and I saved $35.00!

Later I found out that NOBODY in the city of WP gets things fixed and comes to the police station to show the policemen the repairs. They just pay the ticket.

No  wonder the cops were confused.

When they stop you for a broken tail light, they run your drivers license etc. I’m a 58 year old white lady. Are they profiling me?

Nope, they just want their extra money. Which they never get from me, because I always fix the lightand bring the car to the police station.

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401556 Breeze Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:22:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401556 - "In a nutshell, I believe my reaction to this Mosque is similar to my Abenaki ancestors to the Catholic Missions." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Definitely, Kat!!! The French used the same tactics as the Arabs. I believe in reincarnation and it has been my fervent hope for years that when I do reincarnate the three Abramic religions will only be a distant memory. The world may, then, have come closer to a state of peace. -

“In a nutshell, I believe my reaction to this Mosque is similar to my Abenaki ancestors to the Catholic Missions.”

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Definitely, Kat!!!

The French used the same tactics as the Arabs.

I believe in reincarnation and it has been my fervent hope for years that when
I do reincarnate the three Abramic religions will only be a distant memory.

The world may, then, have come closer to a state of peace.

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401554 Katmoon Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:16:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401554 Breeze, thank you for the information about SaudiAramco Magazine, I will check it out. I couldn't agree more. Religion is used to pry the door open to step in with whatever else the group seeks to gain. Breeze, thank you for the information about SaudiAramco Magazine, I will check it out. I couldn’t agree more. Religion is used to pry the door open to step in with whatever else the group seeks to gain.

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401549 Breeze Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:07:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401549 - Kat, I have been a longtime subscriber to the SaudiAramco Magazine, as they have wonderful archaeological and historical articles.  It is also a superbly printed and illustrated periodical.  It is FREE. IMHO, even without what we know today, it is almost impossible to avoid the fact that there is definitely a longing for the days of "Al Andaluz" - the days when Muslims were lords of Spain - in the Arab world, constantly transpiring through this magazine.  By pertinent articles they subtly keep the illusion alive.  It is as though they never really left Iberia.....  It is all very subtle and the 'occupations' by Muslims in practically every country in Europe and their subsequent loud, persistent and belligerent demands come as no surprise.  Australia is also going through this, as  we in America are getting the beginning of the overt tactics with the Mosque controversy. It seems to me a very concerted effort to 'take over the world' with Shariah, there is too much evidence not to think so.  Religion is only the tool by which the people who carry out the orders of the 'puppeteers' are manipulated.  Otherwise, religion is really insignificant, but that is the weapon they use and what they want us to concentrate on. As in England, by Blair and Brown, we are being manipulated by Barack Hussein Obama into letting these people take over, if we are not alert and reactive. It is a multi-pronged world-wide effort, shrouded by the word 'religion'.... Amazingly, Islam and Marxism are close allies, thereby becoming ISLAMO-FASHISM..... (Believe me, having been born in Italy in 1937, I know what Fashism is.....) Just my 2 cents' worth..... -

Kat,

I have been a longtime subscriber to the SaudiAramco Magazine, as they have
wonderful archaeological and historical articles.  It is also a superbly printed
and illustrated periodical.  It is FREE.

IMHO, even without what we know today, it is almost impossible to avoid the
fact that there is definitely a longing for the days of “Al Andaluz” – the days
when Muslims were lords of Spain – in the Arab world, constantly transpiring
through this magazine.  By pertinent articles they subtly keep the illusion alive.
 It is as though they never really left Iberia….. 

It is all very subtle and the ‘occupations’ by Muslims in practically every country
in Europe and their subsequent loud, persistent and belligerent demands come
as no surprise.  Australia is also going through this, as  we in America are
getting the beginning of the overt tactics with the Mosque controversy.

It seems to me a very concerted effort to ‘take over the world’ with Shariah,
there is too much evidence not to think so. 

Religion is only the tool by which the people who carry out the orders of the ‘puppeteers’ are manipulated.  Otherwise, religion is really insignificant, but
that is the weapon they use and what they want us to concentrate on.

As in England, by Blair and Brown, we are being manipulated by Barack Hussein
Obama into letting these people take over, if we are not alert and reactive.

It is a multi-pronged world-wide effort, shrouded by the word ‘religion’….

Amazingly, Islam and Marxism are close allies, thereby becoming

ISLAMO-FASHISM…..

(Believe me, having been born in Italy in 1937, I know what Fashism is…..)

Just my 2 cents’ worth…..

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401526 Katmoon Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:18:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401526 In a nutshell, I believe my reaction to this Mosque is similar to my Abenaki ancestors to the Catholic Missions.   In a nutshell, I believe my reaction to this Mosque is similar to my Abenaki ancestors to the Catholic Missions.  

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401520 Katmoon Sun, 05 Sep 2010 15:02:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401520 Breeze, I have been thinking about this situation again, this mosque, this place, at this time. I have that feeling of this seems almost missionary settlement-like; a religion that is foreign(in belief structure) to many Americans. It occurred to me that many of the other faiths have had their public beatings and humilation and most important their acknowledgement of the previous histories of barbarism. Having to own their ugly pasts which were also cruel and uncivilized in the name of God.(not done by God, but by mankind) Yet fast forward to the 21st century and we are expected to openly, calmly accept this building(not speaking to the legality of it, I am talking about the objection to it). It is hard to roll out the red carpet when this religion does not place itself into the 21st century. Instead of openly inviting examination into the building details and desire for this place at this time, there is a shutting down of information. I perceive the expectation of acceptance as foolish and forceful, on purpose. Granted all of the faiths have room for improvment in many ways, yet this particular one makes no apologies for their<em></em><strong> current</strong> brutality(IMHO it is part of the faith when it is not denied, as in Sharia Law, Sharia loans, etc); this is why I am opposed, I see only excuses. I don't believe it bigotry of any sort to hold a groups actions against the group; yes guilt by association(if one does not want that attribution do not be part of the group)- if it is not associated with the faith and this is not part of the faith, then why do clerics fear coming out in huge numbers to decry the barbaric traditions?  Because there are consequences, and rewards. What those are exactly is the unknown and partial cause for this knee jerk reaction, by the American public. As to the missionary- like increase in construction of Mosques, it seems to me there is a need to generate more buildings to create more Muslims, that is my experience of how the need for the building works, not the other way around. As our country has developed many faiths maintained a <em>location,</em> so to speak, which in later years graduated to other areas as people moved and migrated according to their needs. The Quakers, LDS, the original Catholic missons come to mind. Just my 2 cents worth. Is this a Field of Dreams invitation? Breeze, I have been thinking about this situation again, this mosque, this place, at this time. I have that feeling of this seems almost missionary settlement-like; a religion that is foreign(in belief structure) to many Americans. It occurred to me that many of the other faiths have had their public beatings and humilation and most important their acknowledgement of the previous histories of barbarism. Having to own their ugly pasts which were also cruel and uncivilized in the name of God.(not done by God, but by mankind) Yet fast forward to the 21st century and we are expected to openly, calmly accept this building(not speaking to the legality of it, I am talking about the objection to it). It is hard to roll out the red carpet when this religion does not place itself into the 21st century. Instead of openly inviting examination into the building details and desire for this place at this time, there is a shutting down of information. I perceive the expectation of acceptance as foolish and forceful, on purpose. Granted all of the faiths have room for improvment in many ways, yet this particular one makes no apologies for their current brutality(IMHO it is part of the faith when it is not denied, as in Sharia Law, Sharia loans, etc); this is why I am opposed, I see only excuses. I don’t believe it bigotry of any sort to hold a groups actions against the group; yes guilt by association(if one does not want that attribution do not be part of the group)- if it is not associated with the faith and this is not part of the faith, then why do clerics fear coming out in huge numbers to decry the barbaric traditions?  Because there are consequences, and rewards. What those are exactly is the unknown and partial cause for this knee jerk reaction, by the American public. As to the missionary- like increase in construction of Mosques, it seems to me there is a need to generate more buildings to create more Muslims, that is my experience of how the need for the building works, not the other way around. As our country has developed many faiths maintained a location, so to speak, which in later years graduated to other areas as people moved and migrated according to their needs. The Quakers, LDS, the original Catholic missons come to mind. Just my 2 cents worth. Is this a Field of Dreams invitation?

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401514 Breeze Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:32:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401514 - <b><a href="http://cdn.js-kit.com/thread/?artnum=562755" rel="nofollow">Mosque building owners nixed $18M offer before taking $4.8M one</a></b> <b> </b> <b>New York Post, </b> <b>by ISABEL VINCENT </b> <b>and MELISSA KLEIN</b>    <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/mosque_was_steal_FpzwdRCdb5MdehzkDDWY3H" rel="nofollow">Original Article</a> <b></b> <b>9/5/2010 </b> <strong></strong> The original owners of the Ground Zero mosque site mysteriously spurned dozens of higher bids before selling the prime downtown real estate at a bargain-basement price. The Pomerantz family, which had owned the building since the late 1960s and fielded offers after the patriarch died in 2006, rejected at least one bid that was nearly four times what prospective mosque builder Sharif El-Gamal eventually paid, The Post has learned. -

Mosque building owners nixed
$18M offer before taking $4.8M one
 
New York Post,
by ISABEL VINCENT
and MELISSA KLEIN   

Original Article

9/5/2010

The original owners of the Ground Zero mosque site mysteriously spurned dozens of higher bids before selling the prime downtown real estate at a bargain-basement price. The Pomerantz family, which had owned the building since the late 1960s and fielded offers after the patriarch died in 2006, rejected at least one bid that was nearly four times what prospective mosque builder Sharif El-Gamal eventually paid, The Post has learned.

]]> By: Breeze http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401513 Breeze Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:27:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401513 - <b><a href="http://cdn.js-kit.com/thread/?artnum=562759" rel="nofollow">Dems shrink from health care</a></b> <b> </b> <b>Politico, </b> <b>by Jennifer Haberkorn</b>    <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/41777.html" rel="nofollow">Original Article</a> <b></b> <b>9/5/2010 </b> <strong></strong> A handful of House Democrats are making health care reform an election-year issue — by running against it. At least five of the 34 House Democrats who voted against their party’s health care reform bill are highlighting their “no” votes in ads back home. By contrast, party officials in Washington can’t identify a single House member who’s running an ad boasting of a “yes” vote — despite the fact that 219 House Democrats voted in favor of final passage in March. Democrats have taken that advice to heart.... -

Dems shrink from health care
 
Politico,
by Jennifer Haberkorn   

Original Article

9/5/2010

A handful of House Democrats are making health care reform an election-year issue — by running against it. At least five of the 34 House Democrats who voted against their party’s health care reform bill are highlighting their “no” votes in ads back home. By contrast, party officials in Washington can’t identify a single House member who’s running an ad boasting of a “yes” vote — despite the fact that 219 House Democrats voted in favor of final passage in March. Democrats have taken that advice to heart….

]]> By: Katmoon http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401512 Katmoon Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:15:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401512 Excellent exchange here, I appreciate the honesty, and the true discussion on this thread. As I have stated before I am a sort of spiritual Hobo, quite open to listening. I believe people are wary of most anything that could be translated(not by me, but generally, the media, the public, etc., as it perpetuates a prejudice) into a group following. I observed the Beck event as an event, and I also think there is an effort to have people examine personal choice and responsibility through many lenses.  Evaluation of all groups, and parties, all things which effect our daily life is necessary for complete understanding, of anything. I am grateful for the Beck gathering; at the same time I am not a follower of (insert what suits), more of a watcher, I have been burned enough, and am wary, however continue to hold what I know to be my truth. I know, a single human being does not have the answer, I know we are collectively responsible for our country, I know I am responsible for my actions, spiritually, politically. My version of God, lives within me, and around me in everything, every experience. My reaction, my understanding and application of these experiences will take me to where I either continue to grow as a human being, or not. I trust myself, so no need to turn that wariness into worry over being tricked, I am capable and can comprehend whatever my present skill set given the circumstance is. I am clear on what I understand to be dangerous to all of our country, the parties and people deliberately dividing and piting the people against each other; in that clarity I am lead to the further understanding of what we all crave, our need for a common good, which benefits all Americans, equally, without recrimination or retribution.     Excellent exchange here, I appreciate the honesty, and the true discussion on this thread. As I have stated before I am a sort of spiritual Hobo, quite open to listening. I believe people are wary of most anything that could be translated(not by me, but generally, the media, the public, etc., as it perpetuates a prejudice) into a group following. I observed the Beck event as an event, and I also think there is an effort to have people examine personal choice and responsibility through many lenses.  Evaluation of all groups, and parties, all things which effect our daily life is necessary for complete understanding, of anything. I am grateful for the Beck gathering; at the same time I am not a follower of (insert what suits), more of a watcher, I have been burned enough, and am wary, however continue to hold what I know to be my truth. I know, a single human being does not have the answer, I know we are collectively responsible for our country, I know I am responsible for my actions, spiritually, politically. My version of God, lives within me, and around me in everything, every experience. My reaction, my understanding and application of these experiences will take me to where I either continue to grow as a human being, or not. I trust myself, so no need to turn that wariness into worry over being tricked, I am capable and can comprehend whatever my present skill set given the circumstance is. I am clear on what I understand to be dangerous to all of our country, the parties and people deliberately dividing and piting the people against each other; in that clarity I am lead to the further understanding of what we all crave, our need for a common good, which benefits all Americans, equally, without recrimination or retribution.    

]]> By: Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401503 Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:13:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401503 You are exactly right Ferd. However past experience has taught me that when I express such things the immediate response from the nearest bleeding heart is that I lack compassion. ==================== I  hear you, Kenoshamarge. I do hate it when bleeding hearts make baseless assumptions. That being said, a moocher is a moocher and a bailout will only lead to more bailouts. This must stop and the time is now. You are exactly right Ferd. However past experience has taught me that when I express such things the immediate response from the nearest bleeding heart is that I lack compassion.
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I  hear you, Kenoshamarge. I do hate it when bleeding hearts make baseless assumptions. That being said, a moocher is a moocher and a bailout will only lead to more bailouts. This must stop and the time is now.

]]> By: kenoshamarge http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401502 kenoshamarge Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:07:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401502 Strangely I never did oowawa. I have an acquaintance that sits with her remote in one hand and her cell in the other with her eyes glued to the HSN.  Just before the housing bubble burst they purchased one of those new mini-mansions with not one, not two, but three walk-in closets and a couple of thousand square feet of space to put all their stuff and to pay taxes on. Also 20 foot ceilings in the "great" room which is nice for allowing all the heat you pay through the nose for here in Wisconsin to rise above you, so to speak. Hubby has worked to provide all this largess for the little woman, she has never held a job and they have only one daughter who flew the nest years ago. Now his company is downsizing, their mortgage is under water, and still this twit is shopping. IMO people like her, with their obsession with stuff, are one step away from the pathetic creatures you see on the Discovery channel as "Hoarders". I'll try to live without 100 pairs of pants, hundreds of pairs of shoes and bragging rights on a storage pod full of more. I don't need them, don't want them and certainly can't afford them. Pack-rat? Not a chance. More like the ant in the Aesop story of the <em>Grasshopper and the Ant</em>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper</a> I've all ready got my plastic film to cover my windows against the winter winds, bought at the end of last season on sale. I think of myself as frugal. Others, think cheap. Whatever, it works for me. Strangely I never did oowawa. I have an acquaintance that sits with her remote in one hand and her cell in the other with her eyes glued to the HSN.  Just before the housing bubble burst they purchased one of those new mini-mansions with not one, not two, but three walk-in closets and a couple of thousand square feet of space to put all their stuff and to pay taxes on. Also 20 foot ceilings in the “great” room which is nice for allowing all the heat you pay through the nose for here in Wisconsin to rise above you, so to speak. Hubby has worked to provide all this largess for the little woman, she has never held a job and they have only one daughter who flew the nest years ago. Now his company is downsizing, their mortgage is under water, and still this twit is shopping. IMO people like her, with their obsession with stuff, are one step away from the pathetic creatures you see on the Discovery channel as “Hoarders”.

I’ll try to live without 100 pairs of pants, hundreds of pairs of shoes and bragging rights on a storage pod full of more. I don’t need them, don’t want them and certainly can’t afford them.

Pack-rat? Not a chance. More like the ant in the Aesop story of the Grasshopper and the Ant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ant_and_the_Grasshopper

I’ve all ready got my plastic film to cover my windows against the winter winds, bought at the end of last season on sale. I think of myself as frugal. Others, think cheap. Whatever, it works for me.

]]> By: AbigailAdams http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49775/dumbstruck-dems-open-thread/#comment-1401501 AbigailAdams Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:06:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49775#comment-1401501 I'm with rethinking federal support of schools, too.  As it stands,  it really looks like the unions own our public education, anyway.  I'm looking very closely at any domestic federal spending.  There is so much fraud, waste and abuse that every single department of federal government has its own fraud, waste and abuse department.  I can only imagine how many gov't jobs that accounts for.  I’m with rethinking federal support of schools, too.  As it stands,  it really looks like the unions own our public education, anyway.  I’m looking very closely at any domestic federal spending.  There is so much fraud, waste and abuse that every single department of federal government has its own fraud, waste and abuse department.  I can only imagine how many gov’t jobs that accounts for. 

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