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Where Have The Jobs Gone? And Who’s To Blame? Labor Day Musings

Hmmm… where to start? I know going in that my opinions and observations will be sure to gore everyone’s ox at some point, so I’ll try to be sure I don’t miss anyone. Oh, and the opinions expressed in this piece are solely those of the author and not necessarily those of anyone else in the world.

Where have the jobs gone? And who’s to blame? I think there is plenty of blame to go around. We’ve all watched it happen, slowly unfolding before our eyes. Sometimes we’re the victims. Sometimes we’re the perps.

But we’ve all got to face some unpleasant realities. First and foremost: many of those jobs are lost forever, gone like the village blacksmiths and the milkmen, the stenographers and telephone operators. And soon, it looks like newspapers and land-line telephones will be gone, and all those jobs with them.

old jobs
Who’s to blame? I guess it’s ox-goring time.

Blame technology for devising so many machines and gadgets that do the work of people, making everything in life way too easy, and in the process turning us into a bunch of lazy slobs who have lost our work ethic. Maybe God is punishing us with this Great Recession for our slothful ways.

Blame ourselves for becoming slothful. And for spoiling our kids. Maybe not us, but someone we know. Who looks a lot like us.

lazy slobs

Blame the unions (and community organizers!) for driving up the price of labor, and demanding more and more benefits from employers — to the point it pushed corporations to seek cheaper labor outside the United States. Add up the cost of wages and benefits for union workers, and compare it to foreign wages, and it’s no surprise enterprising capitalists take the better deal. We’re not only lazy, we’re greedy and demanding, biting the hands that feed us.

And blame population booms and immigration… even equal rights movements. They all contributed to increasing the number of people competing for a limited number of jobs. We’re a better society for having leveled the playing field for both genders and all races, which allows fair competition for jobs, with legal protections from discrimination, but this has resulted in more and more people competing for a limited number of good jobs. We’ve divided the job pie into so many pieces, the slices are microscopic.

But most of all, blame the greedy capitalists, the bankers and investors, the corporate bosses, and the rich in general. Most of them put their profits above the general welfare of the common people. If they can make twice as much money by moving their businesses outside the United States, you can bet your last dollar that they will do just that. Screw the Great Society.

Sorry for using this cliche, but the “paradigm has shifted” in the world of employment. Many types of work seem to be gone forever due to our changing world, but it’s certainly not the first time, and we’ve always come back from radical changes before, so I assume we will again. We have no choice but to adapt. It’s a matter of survival, and our survival instincts will always be based on supply and demand. Survival of the fittest… or the shrewdest.

In the short time of 50 years, and mere blip on the radar of the gods but most of a lifetime for the rest of us, the entire world has changed. America had just been transformed from a wilderness to an industrial giant to a Super Power in the course of 150 years, three blips on the radar, at the time most of us were being born. The generation of our parents (or maybe their parents) was the culmination of the American work ethic, the high point. The bar they set for us was much lower than where it was set for them. The bar for the current generation of kids is on the floor.

The progression of the spirit that built this country, from the earliest explorers and settlers to the “Greatest Generation,” who saved the world from the Forces of Evil, has produced a “Great Society” of laziness and entitlements. It’s almost as if having lived through the Victorian Age, Prohibition, The Great Depression, two World Wars, and the advent of the Atomic Age, they just wanted life to be easier for their children and grandchildren. A noble wish from hard-working folks for their families and society. Too bad it back-fired.

Spare the rod and spoil the child… so the proverb goes. It’s such an archaic and cruel concept, isn’t it?  But it’s more than just a saying, and more than a symbol of the brutality of our ancestors. It’s a metaphor that conveys a vivid mental picture in a very few wise words. The wisdom is not that you should beat your children with rods to make sure they don’t get spoilt. The wisdom is that raising your children to be civilized and principled adults sometimes takes stern measures. Certainly there are cultures around the world that still practice brutal disciplines on their children, but it doesn’t make the kids better citizens. Terrorists maybe.

On the other extreme, pampered children often grow up devoid of the work ethic, lacking in principles of responsibility, and with an unbridled sense of entitlement. They expect to get their way because they always have. They are not contributing to our community resources, they are draining them. It’s not their fault. It’s the way we raised them and their parents. Devolution.

The most common occupations of our forebears were based on providing food and shelter. The agrarian cultures of the world began some 5,000 years ago (that we know of), and their development marks the beginning of civilization (as we know it). Those who grew up on working farms, even today, usually have had jobs at home, or chores of some kind. Even some city kids have had necessary chores or responsibilities, although not usually as “work”-like as farm chores. City kids have soft hands… and artificial tans.

As our society became more civilized, we passed laws to prevent child exploitation for cheap labor, which had the immediate effect of liberating children from a kind of slavery. But they were still expected to contribute to the bread-winning on a part time basis. If they weren’t needed for household chores or the family occupation, they were expected to produce income for their own needs and often surrender their earnings to the family. They had a job to do, like every other responsible member of the family. Some had it harder than others; some had it real hard. Some still do. But far too many today are spoiled. Spoiled means rotten, ruined, or gone bad. Yep, that word describes far too many of today’s younger people.

It seems that every generation has contributed to the increasingly unquenchable thirst to make life easier on themselves, and more so for their children. As our culture has become more advanced over the generations, the nature of work has changed with it. But it’s always, always, always shaped and driven by supply and demand. Sometimes it’s driven by war or basic survival. It was the convergence of industrial technology and the acute need for civilian workers during World War II, that brought American women into the industrial workplace in large numbers for the first time. After the war, women were competing for factory and construction jobs that had previously been almost solely men’s jobs. In return, men were allowed to be nurses and receptionists. Fair is fair.

With the population growing via reproduction and immigration, the job pie kept getting cut into smaller and smaller pieces. And as factories became more robotized and automated, fewer workers were needed. The fever of consumerism helped fuel the fires of manufacturing, but with each new development of automation, more jobs were lost forever. Rosie the riveter was replaced by a robotic arm that looks like something out of a Star Wars movie.

I don’t know the scientific research in this area, but it sure seems to me that as we got lazier and more demanding as workers, the owners began looking for alternative labor sources: Mexico, Japan, and other countries with a less pampered workforce. As American workers organized to put the business owners over a barrel, other countries gladly accepted jobs from American companies who had gotten fed up with the demands of American workers, with their pansy-assed 8-hour workdays and 5-day workweeks.

offshoring

The capitalistic merchant class, manufacturers, and investors, with the lawyers and bankers providing legal protection and financial security, began building factories and offices in developing countries. This slashed labor costs, not only in the factories themselves but in the supporting occupations like providers of raw goods, warehousing, shipping, and even office staff. Being in a different country also allowed them to sidestep American protectionism, like tariffs and embargoes. They made more money all around for their American owners and investors. By keeping and laundering their profits in other countries’ banks, they also avoid paying income taxes to the U.S. But somehow, all that money makes it way back into the bank accounts or mattresses of the American elite. Tax free. Real patriotic bunch.

A paradigm shift means, technically, that we’ve reached a point of no return. When it was proven that the earth is round, for example, all the maps had to be changed. So American businesses, having proven they can make more money by moving jobs out of the U.S., are not going to start bringing those jobs back home, just because it would benefit the country’s economy. They won’t do it unless we pass protectionist laws that force it. That won’t happen, because American business is now interlaced with businesses all over the world. Businesses in other countries now own American businesses, and vice versa. It’s like one big extended family. If you’ve ever argued with your spouse or children about which side of the family to spend a holiday with, you should understand how these internationally-owned businesses can’t go back to being American businesses that keep all their holdings on U.S. soil. How would that work? Would the foreign investors have visitation rights at least?

OK, so… “Where did the jobs go?” Where was your car made? How about your computer? Your TV? Your clothes? Like it or not, we buy foreign-made goods, and when we call the company’s customer service, we talk to a foreigner. I just checked my stuff, and I can now name three countries in Asia that I do business with, all with the customer service based in India, where apparently it is believed they speak flawless American English.

Supply and demand. That’s the simple rule of commerce that will never change. Right now, there is a surplus of the supply of American workers compared to the demand for their services. In the 90s, it was the other way around, with many companies finding it difficult to fill all their positions. Let’s hope we can get back to that in our lifetimes.

There are no easy answers, obviously. When jobs come back, I suspect they will be different jobs than the ones we lost. We can’t expect our government to become isolationist and protectionist because we now live in a world economy. But it wouldn’t hurt if we started passing a few tax laws that give businesses incentives to keep their jobs here at home. Perhaps even the disincentive of tax penalties for companies that move jobs out of America. Especially if you have to talk to a guy named Randy in India when you call customer service for your device that was made in China!

And it wouldn’t hurt unions and other labor organizers to accept cuts in wages and benefits on the condition that businesses continue to provide good jobs. And the same for elected officials — they should cut their pensions and benefits by 75%! We should all do our part, as a nationwide effort to rebuild our economy. Shared sacrifice was part of the all-out effort that our forebears put into building this great country and protecting it from the forces of evil. I’d like to see some of these “public servants” donate their salaries to charity and “just say no” to perks.

We need to find a way to get back to that kind of community effort. We need to regain our work ethic. And we need to make damn sure we support elected officials who demonstrate leadership and strength of character, in the tradition of the spirit that made America great. There must be one somewhere!

I asked and answered, “Who’s to blame?” I blamed quite a few. Now, I’m asking you.

  • HARP

    Technology is the biggest contributing factor for lack of jobs. I have a friend that worked on a production line making car frames. In the span of 10 years the number of employees went from 35 to 1 to produce the same result.

    If this trend continues, a company making “widgets”, will no longer sell any, due to people out of work and cannot afford your “widgets”.

  • Christopher

    NAFTA is a main reason jobs fled the USA. Many economists predicted this would be a consequence of NAFTA and they were correct.

    Also, the USA has no manufacturing base. We don’t make anything.

    Look at the label on your TV (Japan), clock radio (Vietnam), microwave (Mexico) and computer (China.) We’re a debtor/consumer nation and it has finally caught up to us.

  • wodiej cracker dawg

    corporate greed
    corporate overtaxation
    excessive corporate regulations

    We cannot maintain our standard of living on minimum wage service jobs.

  • HARP

    Two words to describe Obama`s fiscal policy………
    Cloward and piven

  • ralphb

    NAFTA covered Mexico and Canada.  That has zip to do with China, Vietnam, and India.  It’s just a really stupid excuse.

  • oowawa

    “The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined by Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, then both sociologists and political activists at the Columbia University School of Social Work, in a 1966 article in The Nation entitled “The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty”.[1] The two argued that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would create a political crisis that would force U.S. politicians, particularly the Democratic Party, to enact legislation “establishing a guaranteed national income.”[2]
    (Wikipedia)

  • Dave

    The main problem is Government interference, the unions, and the ignorant politicians have killed the golden goose.  Government is too stupid to run anything, just look around you for proof. 

  • imustprotest

    What good is it to as US workers to take a cut in pay?  When workers in places like India will work for less than $1 hour?  There is no way to compete with that.

  • oowawa

    I used to work for USPS in a department called “Computer Forwarding System,” or CFS.  We forwarded the mail: those yellow stickers that got plastered to your mail when you moved?  That was us.  There were lots of us across the country, and we worked very hard. 

    We’ve been replaced by technology: optical scanners connected to software have replaced human eyes, human brains, and hand-eye coordination.  If you move across town, I hope your mail is not forwarded to Uzbekistan.

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  • kenoshamarge

    As you said, there is plenty of blame to go around. But “blame” won’t fix the problem and railing against the rich won’t either. They don’t care.

    I try very hard to buy products that are made in this country because I know that I am helping a fellow American get or keep a job. It’s not always possible but it’s worth the effort IMO.

    The solution lies in an honest assessment of all the contributing factors and an honest willingness in everyone to do what needs to be done. I don’t see that happening.

    It would require that everyone put aside greed, rancour and finger pointing. I wish I could believe that would happen. I don’t.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    I am personally responsible for every job lost in the USA.

    Your friend,

    CandyM

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I try very hard to buy products that are made in this country because I know that I am helping a fellow American get or keep a job. It’s not always possible but it’s worth the effort IMO.  
    ==============================
    I do the same, kenoshmarge, and take it a step further–I make an effort to use local establishments rather than big-box stores when I need to purchase items such as lumber, paint, and the like. I also use local stores for major purchases, where possible. I am affected far more by the local economy than regional or even national because I live in a rather isolated area that doesn’t get a lot of help from the “outside” world (and i actually prefer it that way).

  • Olivia1998

    and this administration is following it to the letter

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yes, HARP, we don’t have any real capitalists anymore but takers. Say what you will about him but Henry Ford was a real capitalist and I still purchase all my automobiles from the company he started. A business strategy that relies upon customers purchasing your products will not long survive where no one can afford that product. It is insanity.

  • Olivia1998

    and round and round it goes.  Maybe for the first time we should take a look at Canada.  I’m sure their system is not perfect but they seem to have found away to start climbing out of this hole.  They have low corporate taxes and still people’s life style seems to be good.  I haven’t really looked into numbers but it looks good on the surface.

  • oowawa

    I’m always very appreciative of a volunteer scapegoat . . .

  • oowawa

    “politicians have killed the golden goose”

    And John Kerry is largely to blame:

  • Yttik

    “But most of all, blame the greedy capitalists, the bankers and investors, the corporate bosses, and the rich in general. Most of them put their profits above the general welfare of the common people”

    This is what is to blame, this attitude that capitalism is evil, that businesses is greedy, that the rich are bad. If you constantly seek to punish these guys, they take their jobs elsewhere or simply stop expanding and hiring. There is an attitude in this country that seems to believe you can have employees without any of those evil employers.

    Employers are being burdened with having to solve all of society’s problems, they must provide health care, take care of people when they are old, or disabled, or unemployed. They have to contibute to government run services, but also offer private services like 401′s and college savings accounts. They’re also expected to do all these charity things, like support local baseball parks and sponsor sports teams. Than there’s on site childcare, paying for people’s job training, the list goes on and on. In return we call them greedy capitalists.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Thank you. :-P

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Now that we’ve “found” the culprit ;) , perhaps we can get to the business of reinvigorating our economy and country.

  • ces

    My dad worked as a contractor for the auto industry for years. His last job was a project manager in the Ford Wayne/Westland assembly plant that made the Expedition/Navigator. Yes, automation takes jobs, which helped that plant make 25% of ALL of Ford’s profit. And yet, the plant had a 25% absentee rate; meaning 1 of 4 employees skipped work at any given day…and still got paid due to union rules.

    The “Big Three” (GM, Ford, Chrysler) in conjunction with the auto unions killed the domestic auto industry, more than automation did. For a relatively unskilled worker to put front passenger windows for 10 hr/day, 4 days/wk and get paid over $100,000/yr with incredibly awesome health benefits AND an enviable pension plan for life….that’s what happens in Detroit. And it’s why Detroit is in such bad shape.

    All those line workers/pensioners have moved up their second home ‘Up North’, leaving the Metro Detroit area in a world of hurt.

    So, while I would never want anybody to work in an unsafe environment, or work for poverty wages, the greed of auto unions and their workers have crippled the manufacturers.

    /rant

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I concur, ces. However, Ford did do better than Chrysler or GM and the fact that Ford did not accept a bailout is to their credit. They at least make an effort to maintain the company that Henry Ford built. And I love my 1997 retro Mustang. It is well-made and a truly beautiful automobile.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I concur, ces. However, Ford did do better than Chrysler or GM and the fact that Ford did not accept a bailout is to their credit. They at least make an effort to maintain the company that Henry Ford built. And I love my 2007 retro Mustang. It is well-made and a truly beautiful automobile.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Hell, olivia, we should take a look at how each economy on the planet works. One of our problems is that we think we have all the answers when we don’t even ask all the approrpiate questions. A simple analysis of each system and its associated processses might give us some insight into our own problems. That won’t happen, though, because it requires real effort and doesn’t align with the we’ve-always-done-it-this-way-in-the-past type of attitude.

  • ~~JustMe~~
  • ~~JustMe~~
  • Noogan

    The bitter truth: 

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7981334/No-defence-left-against-double-dip-recession-says-Nouriel-Roubini.html

    We’re all to blame, imho. We’ve all voted for politicians who promised us money in one form or fashion. And, that won’t stop; it will in fact get worse. Because we’re all going to be struggling to survive, so the voices clamoring for government help will only grow and get louder and more desperate. Politicians will promise to deliver; if they don’t, they won’t get elected or re-elected. But, as long as we allow lobbyists to function as our “lawmakers,” we’re just going to be enslaved further. When this country decides it wants publicly financed elections, we’ll start having a voice again in our own representation. Remember when Obama said he’s abide by government financing and then reneged? That was a cataclysmic moment that no one noticed much. But, I think it spoke volumes about our future because Obama upped the ante and now we-the-people can’t even get in the game anymore. 

  • ~~JustMe~~
  • Steve_in_KC

    Yttik, I hope you noticed that much of what I wrote was tongue-in-cheek, but I also made a point of limiting my flamethrower to those companies that have moved American jobs outside the US, and even then I placed most of the blame on labor union demands as the catalyst for the companies outsourcing all those jobs. 

    I tried to make the case that American employers, faced with the demands for ever-higher wages and benefits from a workforce that gets lazier and more demanding with each generation, were basically pushed into taking their jobs elsewhere, where they’d be appreciated.

    Thus, I laid the blame on our own laziness, unreasonable demands from unions, and the greed of American corporations who place their profits over the common good. 

    I suppose, in retroscpect, I shouldn’t have phrased it as “most of all” when I cited the rich as blameworthy.  I suppose it would have been just as effective to simply include them without making them the ultimate scapegoat. 

    On the other hand, I’m not talking about your local mom&pop employers.  I’m talking about the corporations that pay their executives multi-million dollar bonuses just for showing up for work three days a week, while laying off millions of American workers because of outsourcing, downsizing, and taking their businesses and money offshore.  The ones who lay off workers then add those duties to the lucky few who get to stay but are now doing two jobs for the price of one.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Huh Ohhhhh!

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I’m disappointed. I thought it was Bush’s fault…

    …there will be blood….

  • oowawa

    Right, wodiej.  But minimum wage jobs are much better than nothing, and many of the unemployed would currently love to be able to find a minimum wage job; of course, many others settle for unemployment checks, and would rather not work and collect the benefits until they run out.

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    I was thinking more along the lines of “hammer” and “sickle”, both of which seem quite apt.

  • oowawa

    Uh-Oh–when rap artists start to criticize Thee One, the guys with the spray cans will soon be giving him the kind of free advertising he doesn’t want . . . coming soon to a freeway overpass near you . . .

  • ces

    Yes, I give Ford a lot of credit for that. But i gotta tell ya, their management structure is moronic. Way too many middle guys who don’t know sh!t, but who hold extraordinary sway. AND then there are the top level guys who say, “no, we’re gonna do it MY way” despite it costing the company literally $200-300,000 MORE. That makes your nice ‘Stang more expensive. 

    And don’t think for a second that you’re the first one who floors it in your new car…the flunkies driving every car from the fluids station (oil, lube, gas) to the trucks/rail car peel out every time in the plant, with execs just standing around.

    Sickening.

  • HARP

    Obama plans to stimulate us again with a “few our dollars”. 50 billion of them.

    Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2583994/posts

  • HARP

    Obama plans to stimulate us again with a “few of our dollars”. 50 billion of them.  
     
    Obama to Call for $50 Billion Spending on Public Works  
     
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2583994/posts 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    And don’t think for a second that you’re the first one who floors it in your new car…the flunkies driving every car from the fluids station (oil, lube, gas) to the trucks/rail car peel out every time in the plant, with execs just standing around.
    ==================
    I hear you, ces. But they were the last ones to floor it because I don’t. As for the flunkies, I really can’t worry about them anymore, as they are everywhere–even where I work. We can’t get rid of them and can’t work with them, so we ignore them. All those who voted for That One are indicative of the flunkie mentality gripping this country. If it sounds good or feels good or looks good it must be good. They have all the discernment of cattle and the herding instinct to go along with it. We are so screwed if we don’t stop it.

  • ces

    Everybody wants the GT model ‘cuz it looks fast, even though that unassuming LX model, being lighter from not having the bling, is actually faster. 

    I think there is a presidential analogy in there somewhere…

  • ~~JustMe~~

    U.S. Department of Labor publishes agenda for September 14-15 joint hearing on lifetime income options for retirement plans
    Washington — Today the U. S. Department of Labor’s Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA) released the agenda for the upcoming joint hearing with the Department of the Treasury on lifetime income options for retirement plans. Accompanying the agenda are copies of the witnesses’ requests to testify and testimony outlines. The hearing begins at 9:00 a.m. (EST) on September 14 and 15, 2010. The hearing will be held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, 200 Constitution Avenue, NW in Washington, D.C.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    That One is always painfully slow to the draw. Infrastructure should have been in his first stimulus if it were to be done at all. No, he had to bail out those corporations that supported him first. Some good that did us.

    I do wish That One would stop thinking, talking, and planning and just go stuff his face until he bursts.

  • Katmoon

    I hate to say it, but there is also another problem with employment, which are the abusive employers, there are many who know people need work, and there is an uptick of abusing workers all the way around, which scares me in the thought that this may turn those people onto being union supportive when they were not before.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    And the worrying side that could come out of this hearing. There was talk about this when “O” took the reins but all went quiet!
    Here

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Spot on, Steve. Until the American public understands that there is plenty of blame to go around (from lazy parenting to lack of ehtical standards) and, moreover, that no one is blameless, we will never get anywhere.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    And the worrying side that could come out of this hearing. There was talk about this when “O” took the reins but all went quiet! Here

  • Katmoon

    And not to mention every single item we had purchased that was made elsewhere had to be replaced…remember the washing machine incident my husband, or the 6 coffee pots in the last 3 years, my personal favorite the american flag made in china, nifty.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I don’t have the GT. Mine is the V-6, plain, old retro that looks more like a ’68. It has a plain interior along the lies of the original.

  • Katmoon

    The good news is I have an interview tomorrow, the bad news, I am not sure if I am being considered just for a check mark…yeah lets go ahead and interview the older woman…I have confidence in my abilites, I have no confidence in any selection process at this time for a job. We shall see.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I don’t have the GT. Mine is the V-6, plain, old retro that looks more like a ’68. It has an interior along the lines of the original but is quite fast.

  • arabella trefoil

    You are not a check mark. You are a wonderful person.

    Good luck tomorrow!

  • Yttik

    This is true, there’s now a power imbalence. Employers know that unemployment is high, so they can be really picky and sometimes downright exploitive. It wouldn’t surprise me if some are so resentful of the anti-businesses attitudes coming out of DC, that they’re taking it out on employees.

  • arabella trefoil

    It’s a good thing my husband’s dad brought up his three kids the old fashioned way. My father-in-law taught his three boys how to take apart and put together just about anything. The boys learned how to use tools, diagnose and repair mechanical problems, clean the gutters, mow the lawn, change the oil in the car, etc.

    Nothing was ever thrown away. Things were repaired, dammit! I am grateful for my husband’s painfully frugal ways, and his ability to fix everything from washing machines to staplers.

    “There’s still plenty of use in this.” is my husband’s family motto, I think.

  • Yttik

    LOL! You didn’t do it, Candy

  • Katmoon

    Thank you Arabella, I am a bit afraid, not like me at all. I think it is related to the last job, which was great in content and half the bosses. The female boss went sideways on me, and I had to excuse myself from working there, scared me spitless.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    All electrical appliances if not seem to be fitted with a device that makes them all go POP at the same time ;)

  • Yttik

    Everything Obama has done to stimulate the economy winds up punishing employers even more. Not knowing what fines or fees are going to come with Obamamcare is bad enough, but also hidden in the health care bill is a requirement that businesses submit 1099′s for all transactions of more than 600 dollars. It’s a horrendous amount of paperwork and bookkeeping that’s being imposed on people. Unemployment extensions are helpful if you’re out of work, but that money eventually winds up coming from employers. Unemployment insurance is billed to employers in the form of unemployment premiums. People can now collect unemployment checks for two years. That’s not free money, it comes out of employer’s payroll funds.

    This list goes on and on. I know several small businesses struggling to hang on in this current climate, that have no intention of hiring anybody even though they need the help, they have the work. It’s simply too risky to take on employees when you don’t know what shoe is going to drop, what new government tax and fee is going to come down the pike. Business owners actually want to earn a living themselves, they don’t want to simply work to pay employees and the government.

  • Katmoon

    True that Justme, they know. Ferd is a fixer too Arabella, just the washer which we thought was US made, had parts from China which, …wait for it… were moving parts made of rigid plastic.

  • Talk2The Paw

    So Obutt wants to spend another $50 billion of unfunded taxpayer $$$.  I suggest that congress get on the ball and demand such things as cutting foreign aid.  And on State and City levels instead of cutting police and fire departments why not cut off all aid to illegals?  America is in a financial crisis and our government continues to aid and abet criminals. We give aid to Palestine (not even a real country) which they use to fund jihadis.  We give social services to illegals while cutting services such as police and fire departments.  Foreign aid is given to countries hostile to us.  I say enough.  If you are against us, rot in hell no more money.  And to state and local governments I say dump your friggin’ unions and demand folks actually put in a hard days work, which will cut the porkers collecting big checks they don’t deserve nor earn.  Stop the teachers unions, the good teachers are earning a bad rep because of the rotten to the core,  unqualified teachers.  Education doesn’t need more money thrown at it, it needs to rid itself of high overhead in administration and unqualified teachers.

  • Tricia

    Steve–Great essay!  So much to ponder!

  • arabella trefoil

    Shake it off, girl! Walk in there with 110% self-confidence.

    Fear is my number one enemy. I have had to find strategies to overcome it. But once I overcome the “energy of activation hump” look out!

    Go, Katmoon! We’re all rooting for you!

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I still dislike blaming average Americans for the myriad problems facing the nation.  I believe government policy is at the root of these problems.  When you look back at the Great Society, it’s easy to see now how this policy has created a huge class of people who have no work ethic at all and now that the programs are entrenched, good luck ever getting this turned around.  I think Johnson mostly implemented this program to get the black vote solidly in the Democratic camp.  Otherwise, these people would have been required to work and taught to have an occupation which every person really needs to feel good about themselves.  Now this whole group of people are constantly working against the mainstream instead of becoming Americans and they have no idea what work and responsibility are required to create a harmonious society.

    One administration after another has dumbed down the public schools and the politicians have used them for laboratories to test questionable policies.  Then politicians say we have to import millions of foreigners because Americans aren’t qualified for our jobs.  

    The Global Economy is the worst thing ever for the First World, at least the way it’s been pursued.

    The hardest thing on Americans, IMO, has been having ten years of presidents who just don’t care about this country.  They only care about implementing their personal ideologies on Americans and it is destroying us. 

  • arabella trefoil

    Heh. My husband sometimes makes his own replacement parts from scratch! I am not kidding you.

    He’s a big believer in “improvise, adapt, overcome.”

  • Olivia1998

    Hi Katmoon….as an older women who plays in a field of lot of young up starts just kidding some are very good I always have to be alert and work at a fast pace. One thing I have learned business like experience and formed skills with the will to be flexible and some young don’t know how  to do that because they have attitude.  My Executive Director has a saying (she is my age in our sixties) “Put your big girl panties on and get it done “Make your age work for you.  Tonight list your positives and negatives my guess is your positives will win out.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I think we should not assume that the idea of unions is bad; it isn’t.  We need labor laws that protect workers or they will just be exploited by employers which is what led to the unions in the first place.  Workers need advocates.  If the union concept got corrupted, we should be looking for some more workable system, but just doing away with all worker advocates is assuredly going to mean more work for less pay and in unsafe conditions.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Well, he has to do something to try to get voters before Nov.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Noogan:  I do agree that too many voters have gotten in the habit of voting for politicians who promise them money; we’re living in the age of vote-buying in various forms.  

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Capitalism isn’t bad, but it does need to be regulated.  You can’t let the whole business sector operate without any rules because they have demonstrated that they can’t be trusted.  Notice the Great Recession?  It was brought on us by big business canceling all the rational rules.

  • HARP

    “Experience tells you what to do; confidence allows you to do it.”

  • My Site (click to edit)

    ralph:  Bush crafted trade agreements like NAFTA with all these countries.  NAFTA was just the tip of the iceberg.

  • WhatNow

    Many are to blame for the current joblessness.

    The “government” needs to assume the most blame. We train the foriegn workers here in America and they go back home to startup businesses that the American Government provides funding for.

    The government listens to the lobbiest and ignores ‘we the people”.

    The government has their hands in every pocket in the world.  Streamline government and jobs will appear just out of necessity.

    Undo the thousands and thousands of laws that are on the books on how a business should do business.

    Streamline the tax system.  Everyone pays taxes, no exceptions!  Taxes are not to be used as income for the politicians.

    Streamline the Politicians, starting with the President on down to the state level. The perks and the pay act as a draw, this attracts people of questionable character who are now in power for a certain period of time.

    Government was never intended to be a career, a permanent job, etc.

  • Steve_in_KC

    Thank you, Tricia!  Food for thought is always nourishing for the mind!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Every day’s an opportunity : Use it to your advantage Katmoon!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Every days an Opportunity : Use it to your advantage Katmoon!

  • Steve_in_KC

    I basically agree with what you’ve written, My Site, but one sentence in the first paragraph almost ruined it: “I think Johnson mostly implemented this program to get the black vote solidly in the Democratic camp.”

    By itself, there’s a lot of truth to that sentence, but taken in the context of the rest of the paragraph, it kind of leaves you open to crucifixion as a racist, which I’m sure you’re not. 

    The Great Society policies of the Kennedy/Johnson years were not aimed primarily at blacks.  They were aimed at the white underclass and others living in abject poverty as much as blacks.  I’m sure the political aspect you mention is in there too, but it was not a black thing, and I’m sure you didn’t mean just blacks when you describe the beneficiaries of the Great Society, and how “this whole group of people are constantly working against the mainstream.”  I know you meant a broad spectrum of races who live in poverty and prefer to live on handouts instead of hard work.

    Hope this helps.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    He’s a big believer in “improvise, adapt, overcome.”
    =====================
    I had a problem with a black and decker electric lawnmower. The lever that controlled the current to the mower broke–the pivot pin was made of plastic and became weak from use. I drilled a hole where the plastic pin was and replaced it with a bolt.

    It  works better than ever and I’ll never have to worry about it breaking again. (The bolts were made in the good, old USA.)

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    All electrical appliances if not seem to be fitted with a device that makes them all go POP at the same time
    ================
    Yeah, ~~JustMe~~–and now they want to add computerization to items such as refrigerators. Oh, that’s just great. Now I’ll have to open the door two or three times to get the damn light to work. Or unplug it to get it to reboot so it will continue to maintain items at the proper temperature. Idiots!

  • Onofre’s arm

    I’m not going to let you off the hook that easily Steve. When you write:

    “But most of all, blame the greedy capitalists, the bankers and investors, the corporate bosses, and the rich in general. Most of them put their profits above the general welfare of the common people.” 

    you are not only taking a hackneyed cheap shot at the very entities who are primarily responsible for the high standard of living that we’re all accustomed to, but you are also revealing your rather jaded and distorted impression of Capitalism in general. True Capitalism has been at war with creeping Statism in this country for more than 100 years, and whenever there is a downturn in our economy or lifestyle, the poor, the struggling, and the disfranchised angrily point their fingers at Capitalism as the cause, because they are too ignorant to understand that most, if not ALL downturns aren’t the result of Capitalism, they are the result of Capitalism losing another chunk of ground in it’s war with Statism/Socialism.

    The warriors on the side of Statism are the unions, the social reformers, the lazy and incompetent, the envious (you perhaps Steve?), and especially the government. All of these entities to some degree claim ownership of something that is not morally and ethically theirs to begin with. Union bosses claim ownership and control not only of the labor of the members of their union, they claim control of labor in general within various fields. Social reformers claim ownership of anything necessary to achieve their goals of so called ‘social justice’. The lazy, incompetent, and envious claim a piece of the pie that they applied no effort  to create. The government represents all of these groups, and in order to supply them with their demands (in exchange for votes), this increasingly socialist government claims ownership of the labor, the products, and even the thoughts of each individual citizen. Fundamentally, Marxism is the notion that all of a man’s labors, products, and thoughts belong to the state from birth, and the state determines how best to allocate and distribute this wealth. Is this what our country wants or needs?

    At the simplest level, Capitalism is the concept that each individual has complete ownership of his labors, his products, and his intellectual output,(the opposite of Marxism) and this foundation of the individual’s liberty of self determination is the core of our Constitution and the intentions of our FFs. Our FFs were the first ever to establish a country and government that not only recognized the ultimate morality of individual freedom, but they set up that government to specifically protect that individual autonomy with the best iron clad contract between citizen and government that they could devise, our Constitution. Capitalism was simply the inevitable RESULT of free men engaging in free trade, not the CAUSE of it. Freedom creates Capitalism, and when Capitalism suffers, it’s an indication that freedom is suffering. Capitalism is therefore a reflection, or the ideal economic system that naturally evolves when men exercise their rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    Capitalism isn’t the cause of our economic illness, Socialism is. Greater individual freedom and less government interference at ALL levels is the cure to the spreading cancer of Socialism, and Capitalism running with smooth efficiency is a happy symptom of a free and healthy society.   

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    The one area where your argument may not work, OA, is if one considers an individual to be a capitalist entity. For example, I sell my wares (my education, competence, and ability) to the highest bidder (the employer).

    In order to increase my competetive advantage, I can align myself with others of my ability and competence to make further gains. This isn’t socialism–it is capitalism at its best (or worst, depending on where one stands). My employer takes advantage of my ability and I take advantage of that ability I possess by demanding more from them. This is a two-way street. If they don’t want to pay me more, then they shouldn’t expect more as it is beyond the scope of my current “contract” with them.

  • oowawa

    WhatNow–you left out outsourcing jobs to other countries where the labor is very cheap and the cost of living is low.  That’s not because we train the foreign workers here.

  • kenoshamarge

    I do the same. I switched from a “chain” bank to a local one about 5 years ago and rediscovered the joy of actually talking to a real live human being when I called with a quesiton or problem. Moreover a real live human being that was, or seemed to be, interested in actually helping me. It was a revalation!

    We buy local as much as possible. I’ve also found some very fine craftsmen and women in our area and they make the most amazing products. Everything from soaps to furniture. I

     make soy candles myself because I read that wax candles, the parafin kind, let off toxins and I have two Macaws whose tiny lungs cannot take much abuse.

    Mine and SO other’s lungs too but we don’t count as much in our concerns as our feathered friends. They are two rescue birds that were mistreated and have now lived with us for over 10 years and have brought joy and entertainment that is beyond price.

  • WhatNow

    Steve,

    Many people who live in poverty do not want a handout. They want a fair shake, a chance to climb out of poverty, a hand up. Many do want to do nothing and receive a check from the government.

    Your statement about the Great Society. The unintended consequence - helping everyone in poverty. The original intent was to “quiet down” the blacks who were demanding a chance, a fair shake. Getting the blacks to vote Democrat was never on Johnson’s mind – that was an unintended consequence. Another unintended consequence – many people, of all races have lost their desire to work, they rather get a government paycheck and stay out of the work force.

    Johnson really believed what he was doing was the right thing. He just never thought about the consequences on the country.

    Again, the government must stop manipulating our country. Too many unintended consequences.

  • kenoshamarge

    You will never be just a check mark Kat. Anyone that regards you as such has a perception problem. Good luck. Job hunting is one of the hardest things I have ever done and I, who am not usually a shrinking violet was often reduced to a quivering pile of jelly. It’s tough but you are tougher.

  • Docelder

    Black-white… us-them… these are diversions to keep us afraid of each other so we won’t see the truth of it. The truth is the great society is corporatism. It isn’t socialism. It isn’t communistic. It is more fascistic but from a corporate prespective. The uptick in government corporate partnerships gives me the willies. If the republic will survive this we are going to need to bust the government corporate cabal. I wish I could say I see it coming… but when the media goess off and calls the TEA people racists and hicks for just trying to be Americans… and when some people albeit the sheeple are buying into it… well, it worries me. We will see. There is hope now, but it’s still an ember in the kindling and the wind.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Some foreign workers do actually come here to be train. Recently a local business outsourced their Purchasing Dept, to India and they brought people over from India, to be trained before letting the American workers go! Yes unfortunately it does happen.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Some foreign workers do actually come here to be trained. Recently a local business outsourced their Purchasing Dept, to India and they brought people over from India, to be trained before letting the American workers go! Yes unfortunately it does happen.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Some foreign workers do actually come here to be trained. Recently a local business outsourced their Purchasing Dept, to India and they brought people over from India, to be trained before letting the American workers go! Yes unfortunately it does happen.

  • Docelder

    Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama are all like minded as far as outsourcing our jobs and prosperity and moving us toward a one world government. But why would we ever go for a one world system when we had it so much better than the rest of the world? We wouldn’t of course… so our chops are being busted. This has been coming since Bush I pulled “new world order” out of his backside and since Clinton dropped health reform to concentrate on NAFTA, and since Bush II continued with the bleeding of jobs and prosperity up until now when we are literally on our backs and it keeps piling on relentlessly from the current crisis administration. One crisis after the next keeps us confused, stressed and uncertain about any real future. This is the point where we fight back as a free people or it’s game over.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    We buy local as much as possible. I’ve also found some very fine craftsmen and women in our area and they make the most amazing products. Everything from soaps to furniture.
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    We have a lot of craftsmen (and women) here in East TN. I love their stuff. Kat and I also do a lot of “picking”. We have replaced most of our new furniture with antique furniture made of real wood. It is a bit more expensive but takes the abuse of our pets better and can be re-upholstered when necessary. Besides, it is more appropriate for a house built in 1900. We’re trying to make it a place where, when you enter the front door, you step into the past.

  • WhatNow

    oowawa – in order to outsource the jobs to the other countries, we train the workers there since they didn’t have the knowledge base. We also train the foriegn superviors/bosses here first. They come over on work visas for two years, get the training they need and return to their countries. Once in their country, they set up a company, train the workers to our standards, and the jobs gets outsource. (funding provided by Americans)

    BTW – many jobs (not a lot) are starting to return to this country. It’s cheaper for the company to pay American workers and also our country has less turmoil. 

    When the jobs return to our country there’s an overlapping period (usually a year and than a consultation period) before the American worker has assumed the total responsibility for the job.

    The outsourced country than gets another country (usually a European Country and now they are starting on South American Countries) to do their outsourcing.

    There you have it – a Global Economy

  • EWard

    Just Me

    Speaking of India…the LA Unified School District is hiring speech therapists from countries like India.  It’s hard to believe that they can’t find qualified US applicants.  Heard this news from a CA speech therapist. 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Did they teach them how to speak English? I have no end of trouble getting them to understand what I’m saying. I once spent two hours on the phone trying to explain that the problem with my computer was with the modem and that it needed to be replaced (it was still under warranty). After those two long and tedious hours, they said, “it is your modem” and we’ll send you a replacement. I lost two hours of my life to a bureaucrat half-way across the world. The least they could do would be to waste my time with a fellow American.
    Well, la-di-dah.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    ~~JustMe~~:

    Did they teach them how to speak English? I have no end of trouble getting them to understand what I’m saying. I once spent two hours on the phone trying to explain that the problem with my computer was with the modem and that it needed to be replaced (it was still under warranty). After those two long and tedious hours, they said, “it is your modem” and we’ll send you a replacement.

    Well, la-di-dah.

    I lost two hours of my life to a bureaucrat half-way across the world. The least they could do would be to waste my time with a fellow American.  

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Whatever happened to advertising the position here first before any foreigner is considered? I do know that was very strict and standard practice law even???  at one point in time.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Whatever happened to advertising the position here first before any foreigner is considered? I do know that was very strict and standard practice, law even???  at one point in time.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Hey Katmoon….round the time my grand daughter was in labor with her mom at the local hospital, the brand new Kenmore fidge we purchased for more cabbage than ya could put in it, it started to make this god awful fan noise.

    Iced up freezer fan… well after 3 service calls, the company decided to send another replacement for it. When it arrived the on of the doors had been gouged in shipping. So they took the door off the “old” new one and slapped it on the “new” new one.

    After 2 months of crap the “new” new fridge is just like the “old” new fridge. Turns out it manufactured in China by LG with the Kenmore name slapped on it…

    What is it that “a trusted” US company when they become just a farse?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    LOL Ferd don’t make me laugh, its serious business!!! When Americans are without work……I remember “Dells Indian call centre”, seriously I burst a blood vessel and my blood pressure was way too high   ;)  Best computer that went outta the window ;)

  • TeakWoodKite

    Hey Katmoon….’round the time my granddaughter was in labor with her mom at the local hospital, the brand new Kenmore fidge we purchased (for more cabbage than ya could put in it),  started to make this loaud awful fan noise.  
     
    Iced up freezer fan… well after 3 service calls, and a LOT of “persistance” , the company decided to send another replacement for it. When it arrived one of the doors had been gouged in shipping. So they took the door off the “old” new one and slapped it on the “new” new one.  
     
    After 2 months of crap the “new” new fridge is just like the “old” new fridge. Turns out it manufactured in China by LG with the Kenmore name slapped on it…  
     
    What is it about when “a trusted brand”  becomes just a farse?

  • Onofre’s arm

    I fail to see the inconsistency of my definition of Capitalism with your examples Ferd. In fact, your examples support my position. You (and others) obviously contract with your employer in terms that are most beneficial to you, the employer has the identical approach. If you don’t like his terms, you go elsewhere, and if enough qualified individuals turn down a particular employer, then that employer will either have to modify his demands on employees, or go out of business. The employer doesn’t OWN your labor until you sell it to him for wages, and you don’t OWN $ or a job offered by the employer until you’ve exchanged you labor for them.

    Unions, on the other hand, claim ownership of the jobs and money of employers through the use of collective extortion and threats of violence, and this IS socialism in one of it’s more repugnant forms. However, if you and a bunch of hard working and talented friends wished to offer your services as a unified group to an employer, then based solely on the merits of your potential contribution to the company, the employer might be foolish if he didn’t consider your proposal, but it should still be his freedom to choose you or not. He shouldn’t be picketed or attacked because he contracted with someone else who he believes will fulfill his needs better.

    If there were a union of drywallers who consistently supplied top notch drywall services and products at competitive prices, you would be a fool to use someone else, or you might suffer the consequences of getting a crappy job from someone who gave you an unrealistically low bid, but it should still be your FREE choice to decide who to use. As I said, freedom is at the heart of Capitalism, and Capitalism suffers with the proportional loss of freedom. 

  • Tamara Cracker

    Whatnow:

    Best Buy, which is headquartered here in Minnesota, has fired entire departments and replaced them with workers from Mumbai.  How do I know this?  One of my best friends lost her job and told me they brought in these India workers for HALF the wages. 

    And I highly doubt that Best Buy is the only company to pull this crap. 
    Don’t shop there, by the way.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The best one is you call because your computer is not working and they ask you to go to
    http://www.indianhelp.com
     
    OMG Like, Hello MY COMPUTER DOES NOT WORK! Cannot get it to switch on even!! BOOT UP : Start !!!!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I hear you, ~~JustMe~~. It is serious but unless I make light of it sometimes, I might have to imbibe more than my fair share of martinis. I hate it that Americans are without work. I even hire some of my somewhat less fortunate neighbors to do things that I can’t do  (e.g., reparing the flashing on the chimney because I can’t stand heights) rather than hire some company that wouldn’t do the job right the first time and charge me an arm and a leg for the privilege of not having it done right the first time. The neighbors appreciate it in these difficult times and it makes the neighborhood that much stronger. We look out for each other. It’s a bit Mayberry-ish but it beats the alternative.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    The best one is you call because your computer is not working and they ask you to go to  
    http://www.indianhelp.com  
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    LMAO. I have one better. The company I work for has an intranet help site where you can go when your company computer locks you out of the system.

    Hello! I’m locked out of the system and can’t access the intranet help site.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Oh I hear you!!!!  Just thinking of going out to buy a tent and collect a few sticks for a fire wood before they all run out! Does rubbing 2 sticks together still work or have they taken that away from us too….!!!

    It’s GLOBAL!!

  • sowsear

    Yes, for years, everytime I wrote to someone in DC, I said we needed to rebuild our rail system. Big oil, big car/truck manufacturers, the trucking industry, and the airlines do not want railroads to be reinvigorated.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    There is a difference, OA. My employer often asks me to take on additional responsibility without any corresponding increase in pay or in grade. Up until the last year, I did so, thinking that at some point the two-way street scenario would apply. It didn’t and I now find myself in the untenable position of saying “no”. Under ideal conditions, I would not hesitate to say, “no”. But in this truly wretched economy, I would be a fool to do it. What galls me is that I am expected to always go the extra mile and give 110% but my employer does not include 110% performance in expectation of their management. The upshot is that I am taken for granted and have the bulk of the work placed on me for my competence and ability to do the job, which proves the old saw that no good deed goes unpunished.

    I agree that true capitalism is the best system. I’m only pointing out that competence is no longer rewarded because real capitalism is no longer the norm. Few companies are building a better mousetrap. In fact, many are only repackaging the mousetrap and claiming it to be better, much like the “new and improved” 1 lb cans of coffee are really only 13 or 11 ounces and not a pound and the coffee contained therein is the same old coffee given new “names”.

    Moreover, incompetence is fabulously rewarded as demonstrated by CEOs being given golden parachutes for running companies into the ground and managers who can only shift blame, create fiefdoms, and cover their ass with paper. This isn’t real capitalism but hucksterism, which is rapidly becoming the norm.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Capitalism isn’t bad, but it does need to be regulated.”

    Capitalism IS regulated! It’s regulated by countless market forces, the law of supply and demand, the availability of natural resources, the weather, and the individual whims of millions of people. When the government attempts to modify the existing NATURAL regulations, or if it piles on it’s own regulations in it’s always catastrophic attempts at social engineering, that’s when things are thrown out of balance.

    Countless chemical and mechanical processes are constantly functioning within your body to maintain a specific body temperature, and unless you’re ill, your body does a pretty good job of it. You don’t need the government to pass a law that mandates that you keep your body temp at 98.6′ F. If it were to attempt such a thing, there would suddenly be thousands of activities that cause temporary changes in body temperature that would be forbidden.

    I don’t dispute that the Government has a role within our economic system, but it has gone way too far with that role when it dictates how much an employer pays it’s employees, orders mandatory medical coverage, or subsidizes companies or products that would not be economically feasible without government help, which includes the bailouts and products like ethanol and the GM Volt.

    If every time the economy suffered a glitch of some sort, the Government would FIRST ask “What have we done to possibly create this glitch?”, instead of “What can we do to fix this glitch?”, things would be running a helluva lot smoother than they are today.

  • TeakWoodKite

    When the un-enjoyment check pays more than the base wage AND includes healthcare, it becomes a mere business decision, same for the HAMP program. We refi’ed @2 percent fixed, and won’t go above 5 percent. Do I think it right kicking the can down the road? No? from a business stand point it was a no brainer. The moral hazard at large is wrong.

    If the Socialism that the Dems are pushing is to continue without the enforcement of Federal laws…. I have a baby bottle of BO’s I can sell you. Autographed too.

    This is what gets me. The rank and file union members are not represented. What would a “Tea Party” movement look like for labor unions? It’s LONG overdue.

  • wbboei

    I commend to your attention a book written by Kevin Phillips entitled Bad Money which answers that question, along with so many others. Once a Republican insider, he has become something of a bette noire to them, But to us he speaks the truth. And what he recounts is a macro policy decision, a fork in the road as Yogi Bera used to say which made in the late 1980s to abandon manufacturing to scale back on high tech, and to tilt our economy toward finance.  That is where the mischief really started You can call it a Republican error except both parties went along with it. In the process what we lost was a physical economy.  Business responded to the incentives and constraints of the system.  That is where the fault lies and so does the cure. 

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Capitalism isn’t bad, but it does need to be regulated.”

    Capitalism IS regulated! It’s regulated by countless market forces, the law of supply and demand, the availability of natural resources, the weather, and the individual whims of millions of people. When the government attempts to modify the existing NATURAL regulations, or if it piles on it’s own regulations in it’s always catastrophic attempts at social engineering, that’s when things are thrown out of balance.

    Countless chemical and mechanical processes are constantly functioning within your body to maintain a specific body temperature, and unless you’re ill, your body does a pretty good job of it. You don’t need the government to pass a law that mandates that you keep your body temp at 98.6′ F. If it were to attempt such a thing, there would suddenly be thousands of activities that cause temporary changes in body temperature that would be forbidden.

    I don’t dispute that the Government has a role within our economic system, but it has gone way too far with that role when it dictates how much an employer pays it’s employees, orders mandatory medical coverage, or subsidizes companies or products that would not be economically feasible without government help, which includes the bailouts and products like ethanol and the GM Volt.

    If every time the economy suffered a glitch of some sort, the Government would FIRST ask “What have we done to possibly create this glitch?”, instead of “What can we do to fix this glitch?”, things would be running a helluva lot smoother than they are today.

  • Tamara Cracker

    Way to put it, Onofre.
    I couldn’t have said it better.

    There is no “too big to fail” in real market capitalism. 
    Losers fail, winners succeed. 
    Every time the government tries to “fix” capitalism they make the problems worse.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    :)

  • Tamara Cracker

    I KNEW it was you!

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Yttik you’re wrong. I was wandering the countryside one day. I had a thought which is a very dangerous thing. People should lose their jobs I thought. Oh! The humanity!

  • Linda Anselmi

    Thanks for providing the feast, Steve!  

  • Katmoon

    Not against unions in a traditional sense; I am saying I hate to see people left with slim choices as far as being hired by a decent employer, or a nasty employer then being represented by perhaps one of the unions that isn’t so interested in workers rights.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Now Ferd, speaking strictly on the QT, I am not that bad all by my self. No?

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    Katmoon after my jobless debacle I will now not think about anything at all until you get said job.

    Your non-thinking friend,

    CandyM

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Now Ferd, speaking strictly on the QT, I am not that bad all by my self. No?
    ====================
    LMAO, Teak. I can only reply, “Moo”.

  • sowsear

    I grew up in the most wonderful town in the USA…but right after WWII the shoe manufacturing plant in that area went under because the government allowed cheap shoes and leather goods to be imported into the USA without tariffs.
    Everything in the our town was built and maintained by that shoe company and its owner, George F. Johnson. That included houses, libraries, parks with free carousels, a golf course, hospitals, a water plant, a hotel, roller skating rinks, ice skating in winter, July 4th and Labor Day parades, carnivals, and fireworks, weekly concerts, weekly dances at a large pavillion, big band shows,  a cafeteria, a bakery, dirt cheap family dinners, grocery stores, sewing classes, graduation prizes, Christmas shoes for the children. You name it, EJ and George F. did it for the village and all of the people there.

    The other company in that village was IBM. Their wages were higher, but their country club was for their workers only. That was it. Over the years, they tore down all of the houses in the village proper and built parking lots. When they left, they left the parking lots and underground pollution throughout most of the area.

    Neither company had unions to worry about…although at the end, unions tried to come to EJ but Samuel Gompers supposedly said, “No union could get more than George F. had already given his workers.”

    Below is a picture of FDR and Geo. F. Johnson.

  • sowsear

    I was stunned to find out that Ford’s non-hybrid Edge goes for about $48,000 dollars…That’s extravagance.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yes, for years, everytime I wrote to someone in DC, I said we needed to rebuild our rail system. Big oil, big car/truck manufacturers, the trucking industry, and the airlines do not want railroads to be reinvigorated.
    ==============
    You know, sowsear, one of the best vacations I have ever taken was when Katmoon and I reserved a sleeper room on Amtrak and went from Pasco, WA to Chicago. It was a wonderful experience. The food was great, there was a bar where we could have a drink and enjoy the view. There was no rush and everything had a leisurely pace about it. I want to go on a longer trip next time using a pass. A month of touring the country via rail would be a wonderful experience.

  • sowsear

    Meanwhile GM will go public. Guess who pays for the below cost IPOs?
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN0315109920100903

    And who will get to buy first offers….

  • Onofre’s arm

    Ferd, your situation with your employer is better explained by other causes other than a failure of Capitalism. You correctly state that with the current job environment, it would be foolish to quit your job even though your employer is abusing you to some degree, but I would argue that the principle cause of the bad job situation is the increase of socialism and shortsighted government attempts at social engineering. Wasn’t the government created CRA, and all of the subprime insanity that it inspired, the primary reason for the collapse in the housing market? And hasn’t it been even more misguided attempts by our government to solve this mess in the name of social justice that have actually magnified it? In a normally healthy economy, with the Capitalistic engine hitting on all cylinders, your employer would be on constant alert to keep and please his most valuable employees. A greater demand for your particular talents allows you greater latitude to demand MORE from your employer Ferd, or you’ll happily go where you are more appreciated, and it’s THIS type of environment that Capitalism has been more effecient in creating than any other system yet devised.

    As far as the coffee example, nobody is stopping you, Ferd, from supplying your own brand of quality coffee at the full 16 oz pound to compete with the companies that are shorting people through the use of slick marketing techniques. Expose them and use it to your advantage in the market! It’s this type of competition that fuels a productive and ever improving marketplace, and it’s the potential entrepreneur and every consumer who benefits from this formula.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    As far as the coffee example, nobody is stopping you, Ferd, from supplying your own brand of quality coffee at the full 16 oz pound to compete with the companies that are shorting people through the use of slick marketing techniques. Expose them and use it to your advantage in the market! It’s this type of competition that fuels a productive and ever improving marketplace, and it’s the potential entrepreneur and every consumer who benefits from this formula.
    ========================
    But that is not capitalism when one sells something as something it isn’t and that is my point, OA. It is fraudulent and that is where the government should step in and put a stop to it. A company can make all the valid claims it cares to. Fraudulent claims are another matter entirely and to allow such undermines the very foundation of the system because it creates an imbalance between those who are doing things correctly and those who aren’t by cutting corners or content. What I find amusing with the entire discussion is that Americans routinely castigate each other for improper, immoral, and unethical conduct while excusing corporations because what they do is “just” business. It is as though corporations are immune from societal norms simply because they employ people. However, since it has already been established that corporations can be persons, then why make the distinction? Situational ethics? Selective indignation? Hypocrisy? I am not certain on any of this but do know that to excuse companies for actions that would be criticized in an individual context is not wise.

  • carol haka, Matzo

    I know exactly what you mean.  I feel like they are just filling their quota before they hire someone else.

    I had another interview the other day for the same job title that I interviewed for in June.  It was with the recruiter that sounded like a 3rd grader.

    I know this material but my confidence is waning.

    This is ridiculous.

    Good Luck.  I hope you get it.

    :) :* :)

  • carol haka, Matzo

    Infrastructure jobs is not going to fix the economy.

    The people without jobs are not “pot hole” fixers.

    This is just another payoff to someone.

    Infrastructure should be repaired with government bonds not printed paper from the WH.

    >:o

  • WhatNow

    It worked for FDR. O doesn’t understand that the world is different now. FDR’s dream is history.

  • Yttik

    I think that we need to accept that capitalism is not always going to be fair and equal. It’s one of the best economic systems we have, but every time there’s a case of fraud or exploitation we seem to have this knee jerk reaction which demands more regulation, as if we can have this perfect system in which nobody ever gets ripped off or exploited. But that’s not life, that’s not reality, that’s not freedom. In order to have a genuine free market, people have to willing to allow crap to happen.

  • sowsear

    My son and his family just came back from Ocean City, MD, and they said that everywhere they went all of the help was Russian…I thought this was strange.

  • Katmoon

    Alrighty, big girl panties are on! Interview outfit (solid color dress-arms covered to just above elbow-praying for less humidity for the hair)is ready; including the dreaded pantyhose, and yes, I am old enough that I just don’t feel dressed with naked legs, or without a slip.
    More important reviewed the company information and fact sheet, ready for the questions, what do you like most, where would you improve yourself…etc, extra copy of resume and application ready, letters of refernce as well.  Will let you know, its a late afternoon interview 2pm est. Thank you all, for not letting me get in that head space that isn’t helpful. Appreciate it! :-P  (Note to self: control your face when they ask what kind of last name that is, the usual sneaky way of trying to figure out my race and get away with it, remember your usual answer, its amy married name)…yep ready to represent.

  • Katmoon

    Candymarl, what was your jobless debacle? If you don’t mind me asking. And my dear friend you are far from non-thinking. From our blog experience I would describe you more as a Firecracker (oh shit, I did not just call you a cracker) a spitfire and a very kind, decent and naughty, wonderfully humorous woman!

  • sowsear

    When I was in CA recently, I was pleasantly surprised by the Amtrak trip I took. In the East, travel by rail isn’t all that great. Cars are dirty, schedule is a laugh, and there are few panoramic views.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    (((((Katmoon)))))))

  • sowsear
  • AbigailAdams

    Please elaborate on the cure.  Thanks!

  • Katmoon

    Now see, this is just foolish and wrong to have you re-interview Carol, and yes I know what you mean about an interviewer sounding like a third grader; which I must also mention there is this annoying way I have noticed some younger women have taken to patterning their speech. It is hard to explain other than it is a long sound with each word, sort of monotone with no confirmation in speech that indicates there is any type of personal influence in it. I think it is mimicked, and has traveled coast to coast, kindof like Valley Girl speak did. Seems to have been going on a few years now.
    Thank you for the good luck wishes, and I hope you hear some goods news on your interview soon, they would be lucky to have you.    :* ;) :*

  • EllenD

    Yes, Steve. I think you pretty much blamed everyone.

    I see several different kinds of unemployment, not one size fits all:

    1- The areas that you have identified, such as newspapers, landlines, etc where technology has eliminated whole industries. That one I am familiar with – I worked in the film industry which now should be called the digital graphics industry. All my years of film knowledge are now useless.
    That shook out a lot of people and only the ones who kept adapting have survived.
    Interestingly when I complained about having all my technology knowledge outdated in 5 years, my high-level programmer son-in-law said “That’s the ongoing story of my life.”
    This technology turnover is only going to keep getting faster & faster. There seems no way to change this, we can only keep educating successive generations to be prepared for whatever the next step is.

    2- Manufacturing and production jobs have gone to lower dollar countries., which are now having the same labor unrest that we had here, and which led to us having 8 hour days and 5 day weeks. 
    American workers are already extremely productive – we have less holidays that most Western countries. I don’t see any point in us going backward when the lower dollar countries are coming up to meet us.

    3- Service jobs which have to be in the US are suffering because there is less demand when no one has any money. This was traditionally teenager employment.

    So mostly we have to develop employment in the #2 area which can be done here and for which we create incentives – carrot and stick – to keep the jobs here.

  • EllenD

    hidden in the health care bill is a requirement that businesses submit 1099′s for all transactions of more than 600 dollars.

    Actually that’s been the law for a long time now.

  • EllenD

    The last time I was afraid I had a two martini lunch. Gave me enough courage to say “You’re not going to find anyone better than me” and I got the job.

    Don’t know if that is much help help Katmoon.  Perhaps the head up and “Screw em – if they aren’t smart enough to hire me, I wouldn’t want to work there anyway.” attitude but without the booze might be better.

  • Katmoon

    Ellen, however when it comes to graphic restoration, someone has to know from where the trail started, I would think.There always seems to a forgetful nature in techno advancement, without preservation of how one arrived there. Your skills still apply, and those who do not maintain and cultivate the layers of technolgical advancement will in the long run harm themselves.  There has to be a map, in no way are your skills useless.

  • Katmoon

    ROFL Ellen, good for you. Yeah etoh and MS. Katmoon not a good mix, a little sip every now and then, y’know ‘rhematiz medicine’. I think I am ready, and I know this is a mere inconvience of emotion, and I just can’t spend time there and I know it. Thank you, and I love what you did. 

  • Mr. Natural

    The Iron Law of Wages does not suddenly stop at the water’s edge. Advances in electronic communication, document handling and deregulation of air travel enable a supervisor in Duluth to instruct a draftsman in Bangalore, who transmits a drawing to a machine operator in Malaysia where it becomes a finished product and loaded into a container and dispatched to the West on a Chinese container ship.

    The jobs will come back when American workers accept global wage scales. A very bitter pill.

    This is really not likely to happen until we Boomers die off or become too infirm to bitch and remember, “the good old days,” and our Cheeto-munching, Jolt Cola-swilling grandkids are happy with just enough…like our great-grandparents were.

    (see: Player Piano, K. Vonnegut, Jr.)

  • EllenD

    manufactured in China by LG

    I remember when the company, then called by its full name – Lucky Goldstar of Korea, brought in cheap small TVs in the eighties.
    LG – great rebranding like HSBC.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “I think that we need to accept that capitalism is not always going to be fair and equal.”

    You’re confusing Capitalism with general human nature. Capitalism, by definition, and from a moral perspective, is 100% fair, but it was never intended to be ‘equal’. Blaming Capitalism for human mischief in the market is equivalent to blaming crime on freedom. If we were all prisoners in solitary, there would be little crime, not because captivity is a better condition for men, but because you’ve locked EVERYONE up, you’ll have locked up all the criminals as well.

    It’s more than reasonable to rely on government to monitor and police the market, who else could we depend upon to make sure that the gas pump that says it gave us ten gallons, REALLY DID GIVE US TEN GALLONS?! But when the government mandates that one of those gallons must be heavily taxpayer subsidized ethanol, the whole concept of free market Capitalism begins to fail under the crushing influence of government idiots like Barrack Obama and Nancy Pelosi who don’t know the difference between a debit and a divot.

  • EllenD

    You are quite right Katmoon, that the principles remain the same.
    And the people I work with seem entranced that we hand-made opticals for special effects before the days of digital. (I rotoscoped the mattes frame-by frame for films like Alligator so those alligators could appear to attack people).
    Now I combine the levels on a computer. Before we did it photographically using an optical printer.
    Ironically, all the new media (like CDs and DVDs) don’t have the shelf life of 35mm negatives and optical tracks which are in all the vaults.
    Sorry to ramble.

  • FLDemFem

    The village blacksmith isn’t gone, he put his forge on the back of a truck and is now known as a farrier who goes from farm to farm shoeing horses. I have had many over the years, and most of them can still make a shoe from straight bar steel when necessary. So all the old skills aren’t gone, they are still here along with the work ethic that came with them. They just got wheels.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “when you enter the front door, you step into the past.”

    My house is like that too Ferd. When you step through my front door, you step into the Mess-azoic!  :-D

  • TeakWoodKite

    Complete with a Monolith?

  • My Site (click to edit)

    No I’m not a racist. I’m a former Democrat who never realized until 2008 what the Democrats have really been up to for the last 50 years.  It’s hard to say The Great Society wasn’t aimed at blacks since it came on the heels of the 1966 Civil Rights Act.  Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity were cornerstones and there’s no reason to think white people didn’t have opportunity, even if they were poor.  It did help women get in the professions.

    If there are white people living on welfare who have no ambition to work, then I include them in this group of people who have lost the work ethic that built the United States.  I do believe lots of black people have no desire to be part of the mainstream society and they are waiting for what they call “the revolution.”  I heard much talk about this when I was in graduate school.

    I always objected to the Democrats immigration ideas, but only just realized how they use immigrants to get votes.

    I’m also thinking of Jeremiah Wright’s hate whitey theology which Obama seems to be trying to implement in the country.  There’s no other end to it except for black people to oust the mainstream whites.

  • Katmoon

    They cannot have my land line. There was a show on Discovery last night about 9/11, and they brought up how families of the deceased got messages 2-3 days after their deaths because of all  of the messages hitting the satellites at once causing an overload thus the messages delivered later-which made many of the families believe for a time their loved ones were lsot and roaming the streets or in hospital. Horrible.

  • rosa

    I always wondered at the time why  there wasn’t an outcry  about not taking public financing.  guess  it was squashed.

  • sowsear

    Don’t tell him what comes after a trillion…

  • sowsear

    My husband’s motto is, “I was gonna”.
    Several of his brothers can fix anything…he missed that gene and went to college.

  • sowsear

    I’ve told my kids I don’t want anymore newfangled things…I’ve learned all of the technology that I want to learn.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Huh? Did I come out of warp speed to the same constallation I started from?

    The experimental format was enjoyable. :)

  • TeakWoodKite

    Huh? Did I come out of warp speed in the same constellation I started from?  
     
    The experimental format was enjoyable. :)

  • oldspicerose

    Are you sure about this? 48000 seems very high.  Here in western
    New York a 2010 edge goes for about 30,000 and up. I guess if you
    want all the extras (tires, steering wheel,wipers, glass) the cost will increase. Just kidding!
    Maybe the 2011 is more expensive. 

  • TeakWoodKite

    I had a problem with a black and decker electric lawnmower.

    You owned one in the first place? /snark off

    Isn’t the creative mind a thing of beauty?

  • Onofre’s arm

    Teak, Kenmore has always been a generic name that Sears slaps on the appliances that are manufactured by the lowest bidder that they can find. Doesn’t everybody know this?

  • EllenD

    You’ll be shocked at the high taxes added onto everything in Canada, Olivia. Most Americans are. You have to pay for all the good stuff like single payer. Nothing ever comes free.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yes got Kenmore here, rattling around in the utility room! (Laundry room)

  • beyond__words

    Yea Olivia our economy is chugging along nicely now. We do have higher taxes but in my province we are the only province with no PST (Provincial Sales Tax).
    Our banks lending practices are disciplined and our government has kept us overall on an even keel with a slight stimulus boost to the economy.

    No doom n gloom up here – lots of work in general.

  • Noogan

    Since 2001, the U.S. has lost 42,400 factories — and its technical edge.
    For American manufacturers, the bad years didn’t begin with the banking crisis of 2008. Indeed, the U.S. manufacturing sector never emerged from the 2001 recession, which coincided with China’s entry into the World Trade Organization. Since 2001, the country has lost 42,400 factories, including 36 percent of factories that employ more than 1,000 workers (which declined from 1,479 to 947), and 38 percent of factories that employ between 500 and 999 employees (from 3,198 to 1,972). An additional 90,000 manufacturing companies are now at risk of going out of business.
    Long before the banking collapse of 2008, such important U.S. industries as machine tools, consumer electronics, auto parts, appliances, furniture, telecommunications equipment, and many others that had once dominated the global marketplace suffered their own economic collapse. Manufacturing employment dropped to 11.7 million in October 2009, a loss of 5.5 million or 32 percent of all manufacturing jobs since October 2000. The last time fewer than 12 million people worked in the manufacturing sector was in 1941
    In October 2009, more people were officially unemployed (15.7 million) than were working in manufacturing.
    The thing about losing those jobs is that we’ve lost more than those jobs: We’ve lost those skills and that infrastructure, and the advances that would’ve been built on top of both. Now we want to get all that back, because what we tried instead didn’t work. But we can’t just call for a do-over. Like so much else in manufacturing, we need to build much of it from scratch.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/what_we_lost_when_we_lost_our.html
    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_plight_of_american_manufacturing

  • alex-ind

    Also:

    Declare a Fiscal Emergency and slash all govt. employee penssions –past 15 years  to present– 50%…or enact a govt. employee pension user fee/tax of same.

    These were “Collusion” & “Fraud” with pols to get elected across the country. Totally against basic math and we’re supposed to pick up the tab ?!  No, to that!  Hell no.

  • susiepuma

    Just a little more history people – this ‘one world order shit’ started long ago but Woodrow Wilson really reved it up – read up for yourselves……………………. & then ask yourself Why?  I’m still trying to get that answer….

  • andysf

    It’s because we as a country had always had productivity surplus. In order to keep everyone happy and keep the profit rolling for the rich, we need new markets around the world. If we need to get that by getting into wars like we had in the past, we do that. If we need to have a few trade treaties to do that, we will do that too. Technological advance had increase productivity, therefor we need more oversea market for those increase production. What they didn’t count on is the collapse of the financial market.

    The only thing that keep most people afloat is the cheap product from overseas. That is why Walmart is doing so well, but not Macy’s. Can you imagine paying for things that made in this country in this economy? That’s just like buying a Ford with the price of Jaguar.

    I think the jobs will have to come back eventually, because we are still the biggest consumer in the world. If we don’t spend, the world economy will stall, that is unless China can pick up consumer spending drastically. Corporations can only slash and cut for profit for so long. They still need a customer base to profit, who else is better at it than the US? Europeans can’t do that since most of their earning went to taxes.

  • andysf

    Hey, they even make throttle body on car without actually having a throttle cable now days.It’s all digital signal sending back and forth on my car. It cost nearly two thousand dollars to replace, good thing it was still under warranty at the time and I had that extended just to be sure. I am having a hard time even do a oil change by myself now on my car because of the protective undercover they had on the car even with my mechanical back ground from the Navy. Everything went computerized, and we handy people are becoming useless. Good thing they still use moving parts in most things,just hope they weren’t a computer or electrical glitch.

  • alex–ind

    Agree that we must get manufacturing and production going here.  Must export also.

    Millions of college kid dupes going for more adv. babysitting from dumbo staff  pumping out more of hot air and papers society.  They buy laptops, cameras, ipods, etc. all made by Chinese etc. making $300 a month.

    It was obvious 20 yrs. ago, to smart & savvy, what a hot air and papers bunch of “professionals” was going to to this society.

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  • Scott French

    Some of what you have said is right, but not all. We all are the same when it comes to our money,lets say that you own a business that makes buttons, and because the tax rate here is lets say 35% . Plus state sales tax of say 7%, plus employment taxes SS  6.2% business has to match of every dollar paid to an employee, not to mention the city tax rate 2% county tax rate of 1.5 %, thats at 45% not to mention bussiness licensing, and fees for  government regulations. You have to compete outside of the country but your at a disadvantage, wouldn’t you say???? But thats not all. Minimum wage went from 5.75 to 7.25 in just a few years , dosen’t sound like much but it is a big deal. Say you pay everyone that works for you 5.75 an hour for a combined total of 300 hours a week. Government just added $ 1911.60 to your cost of opeations a month ….So where does that come from????? Clue laying off someone cutting services to someone and for big business they move to a country that doesen’t ream them for operating here.So what’s the problem???? GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! With out government raping business for every dallar the have. Maybe if they got out of the way they might have more.. Also did companies put us in debt? NO GOVERNMENT DID!!!!!!  Let Government fix the roads, bridges, water systems etc. Let them secure our boarders (HAHA LOL).  Let them defend or Country. Besides that they have NO RIGHT…P.S. If they did only what was nessesary tax rates would fall to about 10% TOTAL…

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