Comments on: Where Have The Jobs Gone? And Who’s To Blame? Labor Day Musings http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Scott French http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1522927 Scott French Sat, 03 Sep 2011 13:21:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1522927 Some of what you have said is right, but not all. We all are the same when it comes to our money,lets say that you own a business that makes buttons, and because the tax rate here is lets say 35% . Plus state sales tax of say 7%, plus employment taxes SS  6.2% business has to match of every dollar paid to an employee, not to mention the city tax rate 2% county tax rate of 1.5 %, thats at 45% not to mention bussiness licensing, and fees for  government regulations. You have to compete outside of the country but your at a disadvantage, wouldn't you say???? But thats not all. Minimum wage went from 5.75 to 7.25 in just a few years , dosen't sound like much but it is a big deal. Say you pay everyone that works for you 5.75 an hour for a combined total of 300 hours a week. Government just added $ 1911.60 to your cost of opeations a month ....So where does that come from????? Clue laying off someone cutting services to someone and for big business they move to a country that doesen't ream them for operating here.So what's the problem???? GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! With out government raping business for every dallar the have. Maybe if they got out of the way they might have more.. Also did companies put us in debt? NO GOVERNMENT DID!!!!!!  Let Government fix the roads, bridges, water systems etc. Let them secure our boarders (HAHA LOL).  Let them defend or Country. Besides that they have NO RIGHT...P.S. If they did only what was nessesary tax rates would fall to about 10% TOTAL... Some of what you have said is right, but not all. We all are the same when it comes to our money,lets say that you own a business that makes buttons, and because the tax rate here is lets say 35% . Plus state sales tax of say 7%, plus employment taxes SS  6.2% business has to match of every dollar paid to an employee, not to mention the city tax rate 2% county tax rate of 1.5 %, thats at 45% not to mention bussiness licensing, and fees for  government regulations. You have to compete outside of the country but your at a disadvantage, wouldn’t you say???? But thats not all. Minimum wage went from 5.75 to 7.25 in just a few years , dosen’t sound like much but it is a big deal. Say you pay everyone that works for you 5.75 an hour for a combined total of 300 hours a week. Government just added $ 1911.60 to your cost of opeations a month ….So where does that come from????? Clue laying off someone cutting services to someone and for big business they move to a country that doesen’t ream them for operating here.So what’s the problem???? GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! With out government raping business for every dallar the have. Maybe if they got out of the way they might have more.. Also did companies put us in debt? NO GOVERNMENT DID!!!!!!  Let Government fix the roads, bridges, water systems etc. Let them secure our boarders (HAHA LOL).  Let them defend or Country. Besides that they have NO RIGHT…P.S. If they did only what was nessesary tax rates would fall to about 10% TOTAL…

]]> By: more power to you | Coach with Heart http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1388968 more power to you | Coach with Heart Sat, 16 Oct 2010 03:44:36 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1388968 [...] part a result of greater competitive positions of countries like India and China.    Think of the substantial shift of manufacturing to overseas locations and now many service sector jobs are being exported as well [...] [...] part a result of greater competitive positions of countries like India and China.    Think of the substantial shift of manufacturing to overseas locations and now many service sector jobs are being exported as well [...]

]]> By: alex--ind http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402427 alex--ind Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:39:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402427 Agree that we must get manufacturing and production going here.  Must export also. Millions of college kid dupes going for more adv. babysitting from dumbo staff  pumping out more of hot air and papers society.  They buy laptops, cameras, ipods, etc. all made by Chinese etc. making $300 a month. It was obvious 20 yrs. ago, to smart & savvy, what a hot air and papers bunch of "professionals" was going to to this society. Agree that we must get manufacturing and production going here.  Must export also.

Millions of college kid dupes going for more adv. babysitting from dumbo staff  pumping out more of hot air and papers society.  They buy laptops, cameras, ipods, etc. all made by Chinese etc. making $300 a month.

It was obvious 20 yrs. ago, to smart & savvy, what a hot air and papers bunch of “professionals” was going to to this society.

]]> By: andysf http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402202 andysf Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:14:30 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402202 Hey, they even make throttle body on car without actually having a throttle cable now days.It's all digital signal sending back and forth on my car. It cost nearly two thousand dollars to replace, good thing it was still under warranty at the time and I had that extended just to be sure. I am having a hard time even do a oil change by myself now on my car because of the protective undercover they had on the car even with my mechanical back ground from the Navy. Everything went computerized, and we handy people are becoming useless. Good thing they still use moving parts in most things,just hope they weren't a computer or electrical glitch. Hey, they even make throttle body on car without actually having a throttle cable now days.It’s all digital signal sending back and forth on my car. It cost nearly two thousand dollars to replace, good thing it was still under warranty at the time and I had that extended just to be sure. I am having a hard time even do a oil change by myself now on my car because of the protective undercover they had on the car even with my mechanical back ground from the Navy. Everything went computerized, and we handy people are becoming useless. Good thing they still use moving parts in most things,just hope they weren’t a computer or electrical glitch.

]]> By: andysf http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402198 andysf Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:00:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402198 It's because we as a country had always had productivity surplus. In order to keep everyone happy and keep the profit rolling for the rich, we need new markets around the world. If we need to get that by getting into wars like we had in the past, we do that. If we need to have a few trade treaties to do that, we will do that too. Technological advance had increase productivity, therefor we need more oversea market for those increase production. What they didn't count on is the collapse of the financial market. The only thing that keep most people afloat is the cheap product from overseas. That is why Walmart is doing so well, but not Macy's. Can you imagine paying for things that made in this country in this economy? That's just like buying a Ford with the price of Jaguar. I think the jobs will have to come back eventually, because we are still the biggest consumer in the world. If we don't spend, the world economy will stall, that is unless China can pick up consumer spending drastically. Corporations can only slash and cut for profit for so long. They still need a customer base to profit, who else is better at it than the US? Europeans can't do that since most of their earning went to taxes. It’s because we as a country had always had productivity surplus. In order to keep everyone happy and keep the profit rolling for the rich, we need new markets around the world. If we need to get that by getting into wars like we had in the past, we do that. If we need to have a few trade treaties to do that, we will do that too. Technological advance had increase productivity, therefor we need more oversea market for those increase production. What they didn’t count on is the collapse of the financial market.

The only thing that keep most people afloat is the cheap product from overseas. That is why Walmart is doing so well, but not Macy’s. Can you imagine paying for things that made in this country in this economy? That’s just like buying a Ford with the price of Jaguar.

I think the jobs will have to come back eventually, because we are still the biggest consumer in the world. If we don’t spend, the world economy will stall, that is unless China can pick up consumer spending drastically. Corporations can only slash and cut for profit for so long. They still need a customer base to profit, who else is better at it than the US? Europeans can’t do that since most of their earning went to taxes.

]]> By: susiepuma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402165 susiepuma Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:32:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402165 Just a little more history people - this 'one world order shit' started long ago but Woodrow Wilson really reved it up - read up for yourselves......................... & then ask yourself Why?  I'm still trying to get that answer.... Just a little more history people – this ‘one world order shit’ started long ago but Woodrow Wilson really reved it up – read up for yourselves……………………. & then ask yourself Why?  I’m still trying to get that answer….

]]> By: alex-ind http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402158 alex-ind Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:10:51 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402158 Also: Declare a Fiscal Emergency and slash all govt. employee penssions --past 15 years  to present-- 50%...or enact a govt. employee pension user fee/tax of same. These were "Collusion" & "Fraud" with pols to get elected across the country. Totally against basic math and we're supposed to pick up the tab ?!  No, to that!  Hell no. Also:

Declare a Fiscal Emergency and slash all govt. employee penssions –past 15 years  to present– 50%…or enact a govt. employee pension user fee/tax of same.

These were “Collusion” & “Fraud” with pols to get elected across the country. Totally against basic math and we’re supposed to pick up the tab ?!  No, to that!  Hell no.

]]> By: Noogan http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402148 Noogan Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:44:28 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402148 Since 2001, the U.S. has lost 42,400 factories -- and its technical edge. For American manufacturers, the bad years didn't begin with the banking crisis of 2008. Indeed, the U.S. manufacturing sector never emerged from the 2001 recession, which coincided with China's entry into the World Trade Organization. Since 2001, the country has lost 42,400 factories, including 36 percent of factories that employ more than 1,000 workers (which declined from 1,479 to 947), and 38 percent of factories that employ between 500 and 999 employees (from 3,198 to 1,972). An additional 90,000 manufacturing companies are now at risk of going out of business. Long before the banking collapse of 2008, such important U.S. industries as machine tools, consumer electronics, auto parts, appliances, furniture, telecommunications equipment, and many others that had once dominated the global marketplace suffered their own economic collapse. Manufacturing employment dropped to 11.7 million in October 2009, a loss of 5.5 million or 32 percent of all manufacturing jobs since October 2000. The last time fewer than 12 million people worked in the manufacturing sector was in <b>1941</b>.  In October 2009, more people were officially unemployed (15.7 million) than were working in manufacturing. The thing about losing those jobs is that we've lost <b>more</b> than those jobs: We've lost those skills and <b>that infrastructure</b>, and the advances that would've been built on top of both. Now we want to get all that back, because what we tried instead didn't work. But we can't just call for a do-over. Like so much else in manufacturing, we need to build much of it from scratch. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/what_we_lost_when_we_lost_our.html http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_plight_of_american_manufacturing Since 2001, the U.S. has lost 42,400 factories — and its technical edge.
For American manufacturers, the bad years didn’t begin with the banking crisis of 2008. Indeed, the U.S. manufacturing sector never emerged from the 2001 recession, which coincided with China’s entry into the World Trade Organization. Since 2001, the country has lost 42,400 factories, including 36 percent of factories that employ more than 1,000 workers (which declined from 1,479 to 947), and 38 percent of factories that employ between 500 and 999 employees (from 3,198 to 1,972). An additional 90,000 manufacturing companies are now at risk of going out of business.
Long before the banking collapse of 2008, such important U.S. industries as machine tools, consumer electronics, auto parts, appliances, furniture, telecommunications equipment, and many others that had once dominated the global marketplace suffered their own economic collapse. Manufacturing employment dropped to 11.7 million in October 2009, a loss of 5.5 million or 32 percent of all manufacturing jobs since October 2000. The last time fewer than 12 million people worked in the manufacturing sector was in 1941. 
In October 2009, more people were officially unemployed (15.7 million) than were working in manufacturing.
The thing about losing those jobs is that we’ve lost more than those jobs: We’ve lost those skills and that infrastructure, and the advances that would’ve been built on top of both. Now we want to get all that back, because what we tried instead didn’t work. But we can’t just call for a do-over. Like so much else in manufacturing, we need to build much of it from scratch.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/what_we_lost_when_we_lost_our.html
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_plight_of_american_manufacturing

]]> By: beyond__words http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402114 beyond__words Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:16:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402114 Yea Olivia our economy is chugging along nicely now. We do have higher taxes but in my province we are the only province with no PST (Provincial Sales Tax). Our banks lending practices are disciplined and our government has kept us overall on an even keel with a slight stimulus boost to the economy. No doom n gloom up here - lots of work in general. Yea Olivia our economy is chugging along nicely now. We do have higher taxes but in my province we are the only province with no PST (Provincial Sales Tax).
Our banks lending practices are disciplined and our government has kept us overall on an even keel with a slight stimulus boost to the economy.

No doom n gloom up here – lots of work in general.

]]> By: ~~JustMe~~ http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402112 ~~JustMe~~ Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:40:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402112 Yes got Kenmore here, rattling around in the utility room! (Laundry room) Yes got Kenmore here, rattling around in the utility room! (Laundry room)

]]> By: EllenD http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402111 EllenD Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:39:54 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402111 You'll be shocked at the high taxes added onto everything in Canada, Olivia. Most Americans are. You have to pay for all the good stuff like single payer. Nothing ever comes free. You’ll be shocked at the high taxes added onto everything in Canada, Olivia. Most Americans are. You have to pay for all the good stuff like single payer. Nothing ever comes free.

]]> By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402109 Onofre's arm Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:05:53 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402109 Teak, Kenmore has always been a generic name that Sears slaps on the appliances that are manufactured by the lowest bidder that they can find. Doesn't everybody know this? Teak, Kenmore has always been a generic name that Sears slaps on the appliances that are manufactured by the lowest bidder that they can find. Doesn’t everybody know this?

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402101 TeakWoodKite Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:43:15 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402101 I had a problem with a black and decker electric lawnmower. You owned one in the first place? /snark off Isn't the creative mind a thing of beauty? I had a problem with a black and decker electric lawnmower.

You owned one in the first place? /snark off

Isn’t the creative mind a thing of beauty?

]]> By: oldspicerose http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402097 oldspicerose Tue, 07 Sep 2010 04:23:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402097 Are you sure about this? 48000 seems very high.  Here in western New York a 2010 edge goes for about 30,000 and up. I guess if you want all the extras (tires, steering wheel,wipers, glass) the cost will increase. Just kidding! Maybe the 2011 is more expensive.  Are you sure about this? 48000 seems very high.  Here in western
New York a 2010 edge goes for about 30,000 and up. I guess if you
want all the extras (tires, steering wheel,wipers, glass) the cost will increase. Just kidding!
Maybe the 2011 is more expensive. 

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49858/where-have-the-jobs-gone-and-whos-to-blame-labor-day-musings/#comment-1402071 TeakWoodKite Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:20:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=49858#comment-1402071 Huh? Did I come out of warp speed in the same constellation I started from?     The experimental format was enjoyable. :) Huh? Did I come out of warp speed in the same constellation I started from?  
 
The experimental format was enjoyable. :)

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