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Cooling the Terror Hype

I am not a Fareed Zakaria fan at all. But he has written an important piece on the Terror industry and I hope folks pay attention to it:

Nine years after 9/11, can anyone doubt that Al Qaeda is simply not that deadly a threat? Since that gruesome day in 2001, once governments everywhere began serious countermeasures, Osama bin Laden’s terror network has been unable to launch a single major attack on high-value targets in the United States and Europe. While it has inspired a few much smaller attacks by local jihadis, it has been unable to execute a single one itself. Today, Al Qaeda’s best hope is to find a troubled young man who has been radicalized over the Internet, and teach him to stuff his underwear with explosives.

I do not minimize Al Qaeda’s intentions, which are barbaric. I question its capabilities. In every recent conflict, the United States has been right about the evil intentions of its adversaries but massively exaggerated their strength. In the 1980s, we thought the Soviet Union was expanding its power and influence when it was on the verge of economic and political bankruptcy. In the 1990s, we were certain that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear arsenal. In fact, his factories could barely make soap. . . .

In a crucially important Washington Post reporting project, “Top Secret America,” Dana Priest and William Arkin spent two years gathering information on how 9/11 has really changed America.

Here are some of the highlights. Since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government has created or reconfigured at least 263 organizations to tackle some aspect of the war on terror. The amount of money spent on intelligence has risen by 250 percent, to $75 billion (and that’s the public number, which is a gross underestimate). That’s more than the rest of the world spends put together. Thirty-three new building complexes have been built for intelligence bureaucracies alone, occupying 17 million square feet—the equivalent of 22 U.S. Capitols or three Pentagons. Five miles southeast of the White House, the largest government site in 50 years is being built—at a cost of $3.4 billion—to house the largest bureaucracy after the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs: the Department of Homeland Security, which has a workforce of 230,000 people.

This new system produces 50,000 reports a year—136 a day!—which of course means few ever get read. Those senior officials who have read them describe most as banal; one tells me, “Many could be produced in an hour using Google.” Fifty-one separate bureaucracies operating in 15 states track the flow of money to and from terrorist organizations, with little information-sharing.

Can we agree that we need to go after terrorists using every tool at our disposal? I have spent the last 16 years working with the US military forces that have the counter terrorism mission. These are elite, highly specialized forces. Most of their activities are top secret. I wish I could tell you that George W. Bush unleashed the fury and that these guys have been killing terrorists right and left. Not quite true. George Bush did give them plenty of authority to hunt down and kill terrorists. The problem is that the terrorists don’t cooperate. They, the terrorists, do not operate in in large groups. They do not occupy fixed bases. They do not build infrastructure. I wish they did. It would make killing them so much easier.

Instead, finding them requires the kind of work that police and intelligence agencies do. The point is simple–although using special ops warriors to whack bad guys is appealing to us emotionally, they rarely get to act outside of Iraq and Afghanistan. Further compounding the task of finding terrorists is the fact that they are not numerous. They don’t wear uniforms. Then there is the problem of getting permission to enter a country and carry out military operations. Fiction writers like Vince Flynn make up bullshit that we send five guys on a small plane and they carry out an operation. That’s Flynn’s vision, it is not reality.

Locating and finding terrorists is really a task best carried out by police and intelligence agencies. Unfortunately, we have created a Rube Goldberg system that is not coordinated and has ballooned into a massive jobs program for white people. Here’s the truth, we can cut the intel community by 25% and not lose any serious capability.

We need to find a balance. This means we accept terrorism as a threat we should take seriously but we do not need to spend millions of dollars to fight a small number of fanatical ragheads. There are too many corporations who have used terrorism as wedge to get Federal money. There are too many Government bureaucracies now using terrorism to justify their existence. We need some sanity here folks and Fareed’s article is an important reminder of that fact.

  • EllenD

    But..but..but… in these days of economic downturns, you want to downsize a thriving industry? (snark).


    Fiction writers like Vince Flynn make up bullshit that we send five guys on a small plane and they carry out an operation. That’s Flynn’s vision, it is not reality.

    Yes, Larry, you probably get a kick out of all the movie moments where covert operations go off like clockwork with none of the messy happenstances of reality that plague the plans of the rest of us.

  • Retired

    Larry, Unfortunately, because of poor leadership that cannot put things into perspective, counterterrorism has grown into an industry that employs hundreds of thousands spending billions on feckless exercises in futility.
    But hell, at least they are employed.  That’s better than the 20 percent of our population that isn’t.
    Makes you wonder about that movie, “The Men Who Stared at Goats.”  As you know, that psywar complex in the last few scenes isn’t too far away from reality.
    As for me, I’m focusing on getting at many replacements for the incumbents who voted for Obamacare and “financial reform” as I can.  And if the leadership of the Senate changes hands (I’m reasonably certain the the House will turn over), I’m going on a serious bender in November.

  • TeakWoodKite

    We could start cutting here?

    WASHINGTON — Blackwater Worldwide created a web of more than 30 shell companies or subsidiaries in part to obtain millions of dollars in American government contracts after the security company came under intense criticism for reckless conduct in Iraq, according to Congressional investigators and former Blackwater officials.

    The network of companies — which includes several businesses located in offshore tax havens — allowed Blackwater to obscure its involvement in government work from contracting officials or the public, and to assure a low profile for any of its classified activities, said former Blackwater officials, who, like the government officials, spoke only on condition of anonymity.

  • TeakWoodKite
  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Yes, Bond never even twists his ankle while chasing bad guys.

  • TeakWoodKite

    LJ, could the CIA have let contracts, not knowing they, Blackwater was using front companies? What gives?

    Am I being nieve to think that the CIA, who are dam good at setting up their fronts couldn’t spot one in this context? If they did what does that say about the 7th floor of Langley?

  • TeakWoodKite

    from the Fareed Zakaria link…

    Some 30,000 people are now employed exclusively to listen in on phone conversations and other communications in the United States….

    Someone has been been busy.

  • Hank

    Maybe we should talk about Obama, what a shitty POTUS he turned out to be….Then they can let him know what people think about him during his daily briefings.

  • kafir

    It’s time to vote the incumbents out!

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    A US SOLDIER SPEAKING THE TRUTH! STOP THE WAR AGAINST ISLAM! ITS USELESS AND ITS TYRANY!

    tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_qW33suyI&feature=related

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    This means we accept terrorism as a threat we should take seriously but we do not need to spend millions of dollars to fight a small number of fanatical ragheads. There are too many corporations who have used terrorism as wedge to get Federal money. There are too many Government bureaucracies now using terrorism to justify their existence.
    ============================
    Amen to that. And the biggest waste of money of all, Homeland Security, is a joke. And what’s with the homeland crap? It sounds like something the former Soviet Union might have called it.

    It would have been far wiser and far more cost effective to simply secure our borders. Just who in the hell is the government using for process analysis?

  • Linda Anselmi

    Thanks Larry.  Great Post!!

  • Sassy

    You make some good points Larry.
    I can agree to questioning the capabilities of Al Qaeda, without underestimating them.
    Logic and predictability are opposites of irrational terror tactics, thus the difficulties.
    The military has made remarkable adjustments, but support for the wars is evaporating. Except for victims who have been directly impacted by terrorism, we could become complacent.
    I would prefer not to weigh consequences of failure against over-reacting.

  • Yttik

    “Here’s the truth, we can cut the intel community by 25% and not lose any serious capability.”

    I think we need to cut it down so that we gain some capability. I’m really worried that we’re too big, too much bureaucracy, and it is going to prevent us from responding properly. I can just see people getting lost in automated phone menus, push one for English, push 5 if this is an immediate threat and we’ll transfer you to our call center in India…..

  • Fred

    Good points Larry,

    Though I’d say we are dealing with more than a few fanatics.

  • PssttCmere

    Al-qaeda had a pretty good run in Iraq, but haven’t seen much impact here.  It seems our government is at a loss to know how to handle much of anything these days.  Cut the government waste.  Of course, that will put alot of people out of work and we will see an uptick in unemployment.  8-)

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

    http://www.saywhatyouwill.proboards.com

  • oowawa

    “Homeland Security, is a joke. And what’s with the homeland crap? It sounds like something the former Soviet Union might have called it.”

    Well, the USSR might have called it Motherland Security.
    The Nazi’s would have called it Fatherland Security.
    For the USA, “Homeland Security” has become a misnomer; it has become another agency for promoting the interests of Obama (such as harrassing Arizona).  “Obamaland Security.”  Yep, that works . . .

  • Katmoon

    Somehow we have to marry our experience of terrorism with being vigilant without living as a people who seem in constant fear. We have trusted those who are suppose to protect our country(speaking of the politicians not the military, it takes an order from one to the other for the action). They have not always acted in our best interest, but rather in their own, and we are still waiting to know the details of what some of those decisions were based on. Which is easier to manipulate, an ill informed public lead by a power hungry media or one that is clear on the facts and the remedies to the different acts against our citizens and our country? Clarity would help; so who does it serve to keep the public hungry for facts and relief from worry? Great article Larry, a different perspective, and pause for thought.

  • oowawa

    Also, Ferd, before you go calling Homeland Security a joke, you should consider the effort Janet Napolitano has exerted in protecting us from the treacherous Canucks and controlling that border:

    In April 2009 Napolitano, trying to defend her plans to thicken US-Canadian border security, claimed incorrectly that September 11 attack perpetrators entered the United States from Canada. Her comments provoked an angry response from the Canadian ambassador, media, and public.[25]
    In response to criticism, she later said, “Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it’s been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there”. Though there has only been one case, that of Ahmed Ressam an Algerian citizen who was in Canada illegally.[26]  (Wikipedia)

    And also, Ferd, remember how diligently she has worked to close off the flow of alien traffic along our southern border . . . Oh, she hasn’t?  Well, never mind then . . .

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    For the USA, “Homeland Security” has become a misnomer; it has become another agency for promoting the interests of Obama (such as harrassing Arizona).  “Obamaland Security.”  Yep, that works . . .
    ======================
    For sure, oowawa. This was the very reason I was against the Last Refuge of Scoundrels Act. We just never know what sort of miscreant might occupy the WH. It was bad enough giving Dubya, er Cheney that much power. But to give it to a narcissist and unamerican buffoon like That One is nothing short of myopic.

  • Seymour

    I have to agree with you Fred. While I agree with Fareed’s assessment the problem is not merely Al Qaeda but Islam. I watched Fareed and David Gergen in a discussion on CNN about the Mosque in Manhattan. I had never before seen Gergen flustered, turn red and throw up his hands until this exchange. Sorry Fareed, I’m just not that into your work man. In the alternative please allow me to introduce to you Imam Feiz Muhammad from ”The Religion of Peace.

  • creeper

    Bullseye.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yeah, those Canucks are so despicable and will overrun the US if we’re not careful.

    LMAO

    Napolitano is a moron who isn’t qualified to take out rubbish.

  • Katmoon

    Too long there is a PC model of above the board engagement, while under the surface we are suppose to despise the tactics used. Which message is it? The politicians doing their very best to undermine some sort of completion, while someone is getting wealthy, and someone else is gaining political power.

  • creeper

    Nowhere in that piece does Zakaria even mention the man in charge.  Fareed Zakaria went in the tank for Obama three years ago and he’s still drinking the kool-aid. 

    We blew the response to 9/11, pure and simple.  With most of the world in firm sympathy with us we pulled our punches and Osama bin Laden went free. 

    The ONLY appropriate response to 9/11 was an all-out invasion of Afghanistan including, IMHO, nuclear weapons.  If we’d dropped a nuke on a deserted part of the country and then informed them they had twenty-four hours to turn over bin Laden before the next one fell on Kabul, this would be long over.

    And the rest of the world would know better than to try that again.

    Bush was a coward.  Barry is worse.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    I find myself nodding in agreement, creeper. we should have put the fear of God/Allah in them, as it were.

  • oowawa

    “Some 30,000 people are now employed exclusively to listen in on phone conversations and other communications in the United States….”

    Wow–you talk about a boring job . . . 

  • CentralMass

    Looking at a map of the region.. http://www.mapsofworld.com/asia-political-map.htm
    I supect that might rile some of the neighbors, like China and Russia.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I don’t think either country would have put up that much of a fuss. What would they do? Go to the UN? Don’t think so.

  • creeper

    No open thread so I’ll post this here.  Barry made history again today.  Lowest MOA in the Rasmussen poll since he took office.

  • creeper

    Ooops.  That’s a hair small.  Click here for bigger.

  • EllenD

    At the risk of defending the indefensible Janet, as a Canadian I am appalled at how many dubious people are picked up in foreign lands carrying Canadian passports.
    Canada had a ridiculous policy (which I hope was overturned) that made it possible to virtually buy citizenship by investing in Canada. The Chinese mostly took advantage of it but I am sure other groups did too.
    I remember standing at the clearing center at the train station in Hong Kong (from the mainland) holding my Canadian passport and my son saying “Look Mom, they all have the same passport as us”. We were the only westerners.
    And BTW – the millenium bomber was driving down from Canada.
    Because people think it is a safe boring border everyone’s guard is down.

  • creeper

    Instead, the two-bit terrorist who took down the twin towers still walks free.  This so Bush could show Daddy who had bigger balls by attacking Saddam Hussein!

    Let’s recap.  We don’t have bin Laden.  Our airline transportation system is a nightmare, courtesy of the insane security regulations.  Americans’ own communications are monitored constantly.  Privacy in banking is a thing of the past.  Muslims are building a mosque on the site of their triumph.

    The war on terror is over.  We lost.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Moreover, war is SUPPOSED to be hell so that countries don’t engage in such routinely. It keeps countries honest. The Cold War didn’t turn hot for that very reason–mutually assured destruction.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    There aren’t 12 million of them invading our country from Canada. Moreover, we don’t know how many potential terrorists are crossing our southern border. We have absolutelly no idea.

  • EllenD

    You may also remember Zakaria was for the Iraq war.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    The war on terror is over.  We lost.
    ==============
    And we lost the day after 9/11 when we went after Americans and the Constitution instead of the terrorists.

  • Seymour

    This is very interesting and has many more parts available on YouTube. Islam IMO is a Theo-Political system that has been metastasizing since the death of Muhammad in 632. This again is only my opinion and this video while lengthy is based upon what seems well thought out and educational interpretations of the Qur’an from those interviewed in this documentary. I post this strictly as another position for discussion on the Islamic phenomenon.  Seymour  
     

  • Katmoon

    EllenD, Ferd and I lived in Limestone for 2 years and the few times we crossed over into Canada (Edmunston)  we went  through a vigorous check both directions, I think the Tennessee license plate threw them for a loop(1998-1999). However when crossing into Vancouver B.C., they were very lax in comparison.(2003).

  • creeper

    “mestatasizing”  Dead on.  Islam is a cancer eating away at the human race. 

  • HARP

    He may start a craze.

  • HARP

    Ooops…..some people must have not received their welfare cheques.

  • Seymour

    Ellen, Fareed supported a UN sanctioned force of some 400,000 in Iraq. When this didn’t materialize and Bush pushed forward alone, only then did it become an occupation to Fareed. He also didn’t believe the surge would be successful. It was and he acknowledged it as such in Newsweek. Fareed is extremely intelligent and I like the way he approaches most subjects. He was brought up as Muslim with his Father being a politician and Islamic Scholar and Journalist Mother. One would be hard pressed to duplicate Fareed’s education by any stretch.   
     

  • Larry Johnson

    Creeper,
    Here’s where you are completely offbase.  On what basis do you assume that in 2001 there was someone in Kabul “IN CHARGE?”  Cut me a fucking break and grow up.  Mullah Omar had no control over Bin Laden.  The one group that might have been able to produce Bin Laden was Pakistan’s ISI.  You want to nuke Pakistan?  You want to murder those Pakistanis who have actually helped us go after terrorists?  Don’t forget that the first bomber of the World Trade Center, Ramsi Yousef, was handed over to us by Pakistan.  Only someone who has never dealt with the real world would recommend “dropping a nuke” as a solution to a problem that is not easily solved.

  • jwrjr

    An Aston Martin with a flat tire?

  • PssttCmere

    yttik….it is classic the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing….not to mention the jealousy between the different agencies and not wanting to share information.  Having the upperhand is much more important than the safety of the masses I guess.

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    WOW is it just me or has the blog turned upside down?
    Sections within the comments are highlighted in blue?
    Or do I need a strong pill? ;)

  • creeper

    Larry, you don’t need someone “in charge”.  All you need is someone willing to rat out Osama to save his own family. 

    Nuke Pakistan?  Hell, yes!  And Saudi Arabia while we were at it.

    P.S.  Insulting me by telling me to “grow up” is not helpful.  I’ve probably got twenty years on you.  I’ve made every mistake in the book, twice, but I’ve learned from all of them.  And the truest thing I’ve learned is that you don’t fuck around with terrorist OR the people who harbor them.

  • creeper

    Larry, you don’t need someone “in charge”.  All you need is someone willing to rat out Osama to save his own family.   
     
    Nuke Pakistan?  Hell, yes!  And Saudi Arabia while we were at it.  
     
    P.S.  Insulting me by telling me to “grow up” is not helpful.  I’ve probably got twenty years on you.  I’ve made every mistake in the book, twice, but I’ve learned from all of them.  And the truest thing I’ve learned is that you don’t fuck around with terrorists OR the people who harbor them.

  • Hank

    Imagine when they place that rug in his Presidential Library, people will refer to it as another “FAILURE” of his administration. 

  • Hank

    Attn Larry: I love how the replies are being highlighted.  Awesome…

  • creeper

    Nuts.  I left one out.  Iran.

  • foxyladi14

    or messes up his pretty hair..lol. :-D

  • Norman Rogers

    We can cut the intelligence community by 50% and eliminate dozens of satellite surveillance programs that are completely and utterly useless. We can do that, AND we can completely and utterly eliminate the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security. Take out the leadership, eliminate that bureaucratic strata, and put those agencies back from whence they came. More law enforcement, more first responders, and fire the dead wood that won’t adapt and change.

    Once that’s done, come talk to me about a “war on terror.”

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Indeed, creeper. And the actions of a few malcontents are placing the world at risk. That is why it is so important to get Islamic countries’ attention by any means necessary and soon before this gets entirely out of hand. The radical Islamists are committing crimes against humanity for which they should be brought to the bar of justice.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    That’s weird–my comment sort of coalesced into creeper’s.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Bravo! That would be a great start.

  • Noogan

    Thank you oowawa. I cannot STAND that “HOMELAND” SHIT. It is utter CRAP.

    And, “CZAR”: WTF? 

    These words came from G.W. Bush’s administration, and you would think the first thing Obama would do would be to eliminate them. 

    “HOMELAND SECURITY?” DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY?” DEFEND THE “HOMELAND”? The “CAR CZAR,” THE BUDGET “CZAR,” THE JOBS “CZAR!” 

    It’s not a “homeland.” It’s AMERICA. Why do we avoid using THAT WORD?

    That really pisses me off. 

  • sowsear

    We don’t need no stinkin poll…why doesn’t Rasmussen just ask us.

    Rah, rah, B-O
    How low can you go!

  • Hokma

    I agree. Homeland Security Department was to be a more efficient and effective way of coordinating intelligence and providing national security.

    All it has become is a complete waste of money and another layer.

    Fighting terrorists requires certain kinds of manpower in certain agencies and specific technology and systems. It does not require the massive bureaucracy of government workers doing nothing but using taxpayer money and just adding layers to something that should not have layers.

    Why can’t we have a small group whose job is to simply coordinate info between the CIA and the FBI and various police departments. In the age of Internet why do we need a large building filled with government workers to do that?

    I am still trying to understand what Janet Napolitano does that is not redundent with other administration officers.

  • Jackie

    Excellent piece, Larry.  Thanks for writing it, and for also sharing the Zakaria piece.

  • Mr. Natural

    >>>  If we’d dropped a nuke on a deserted part of the country and then informed them they had twenty-four hours to turn over bin Laden before the next one fell on Kabul, this would be long over. 

    Reinstate the CHROME DOME missions, but make the targets capitals of Muslim countries and Muslim holy sites.

    One car bomb in NYC? 

    One nuke in, say Syria!

    A thousand dead Gringoes from a bombed-out building in Chicago?

    Three hundred seventy Kilotons for Mecca!

    By the time the stink of dead ragheads wafts on down to Indonesia and the Philipines, you’ll have made 100,000,000 new Episcopalians who can’t even begin to remember how to wind a turban.

    Finding a practicing Muslim will be like finding a German in 1947 who would admit to having been a Nazi in 1941… 

    Kill ‘em all…let God sort ‘em out.

  • Mr. Natural

    >>>  counterterrorism has grown into an industry that employs hundreds of thousands spending billions on feckless exercises in futility.

    Think of this whole cloud of feather merchants and wanna-be snake eaters (few of which, it would seems, have ever even heard a shot fired in JOY, much less Anger) as a huge, open-air, amorphous Maginot Line.

    Did that clear it up?

  • Mr. Natural

    >>> All it has become is a complete waste of money and another layer. 

    Fraud, Waste and Abuse: The American Way!

  • Sandi78

    Thenks for yet another great piece, Larry. I am in complete agreement with you that there is a need for balance. I  am, however, crushed that Vince Flynn’s stories, which I love to read, are not the absolute truth!

  • Kbentleyis

    Good read Larry.  I’d like to know your thoughts on the many failed terrorist attacks.

    I can’t help but feel they were testing the waters.

  • rosa

    I wonder if people think about the consquences of a nuclear bomb! 

  • Fred

    Well I think 90+ percent of our problem with Islam can be traced back to the Wahhabis and the MB types. Though given the fact that both ideologies came from the same original source, I think we can put those both in the same lot.

    Unfortunately DC doesn’t seem to get where Wahhabism comes from.

  • EllenD

    I don’t think so, Rosa. I think it just an easy term to use.

  • EllenD

    Yes, Katmoon, it depends on where you cross. And, lets be honest, there are likely to be terrorists going from Canada to the US, not the other way.
    However, the Canadians are very aware, as are the Mexicans, that a lot of guns go the other way – US to Canada.

  • Sassy

    Yesterday evening, Fox said there is a report confirming that Iran is financing  fighters in Afghanistan, as they did in Iraq. A newspaper report a few weeks ago revealed that one of every three men captured in Afghanistan were outside infiltrators.
    Larry’s post is timely. The last nine years have been costly on all levels. We have had time to evaluate the most effective methods going forward, as we should have, for there is no end in sight.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    “I wonder if people think about the consquences of a nuclear bomb!”

    “I don’t think so, Rosa. I think it just an easy term to use.”
    ======================
    What are the consequences if we allow this sort of terrorism to go on unending? Please enlighten me. You need to follow through to the very end of whatever path (process) you want to understand. Merely saying something is good or bad and deciding accordingly is what got us into this mess in the first place. (Arming and supporting the mujah hadeen, for example, was patently stupid although it sounded good to those blinded by fear of the Soviet Union).
     
    Back to the specifics: If we allow these barbarians to continue to terrorize at will, it will more than likely embolden them further, causing new rounds of attacks. Were we to make an example by threatening to detonate a carfully-placed nuclear weapon (in a non-populated area) where the Afghanis/Pakistanis/whoever could see the destruction caused, they might actually ponder the significance of their actions or lack thereof. If the threat failed to convince them, then that would be their problem. A simple ulitimatum, understandable by all involved should be made and their response would then dictate necessary further action on out part. A few iron-age morons should not be allowed to affect the stability of the entire planet. These terrorists are guilty of crimes against humanity and should be treated as the vermin they so obviously are. Anyone who thinks we can actually engage in dialog with these 7th-century throwbacks are not operating with a full deck.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    “I wonder if people think about the consquences of a nuclear bomb!”  
     
    “I don’t think so, Rosa. I think it just an easy term to use.”  
    ======================  
    What are the consequences if we allow this sort of terrorism to go on unending? Please enlighten me. You need to follow through to the very end of whatever path (process) you want to understand. Merely saying something is good or bad and deciding accordingly is what got us into this mess in the first place. (Arming and supporting the mujah hadeen, for example, was patently stupid although it sounded good to those blinded by fear of the Soviet Union).  
       
    Back to the specifics: If we allow these barbarians to continue to terrorize at will, it will more than likely embolden them further, causing new rounds of attacks. Were we to make an example by threatening to detonate a carfully-placed nuclear weapon (in a non-populated area) where the Afghanis/Pakistanis/whoever could see the destruction caused, they might actually ponder the significance of their actions or lack thereof. If the threat failed to convince them, then that would be their problem. A simple ulitimatum, understandable by all involved should be made and their response would then dictate necessary further action on out part. A few iron-age morons should not be allowed to affect the stability of the entire planet. These terrorists are guilty of crimes against humanity and should be treated as the vermin they so obviously are. Anyone who thinks we can actually engage in dialogue with these 7th-century throwbacks are not operating with a full deck.

  • creeper

    Thank you, Ferd.  Would that I could have said it as well.

    Rosa and EllenD, your sotto voce musings don’t sway me.  Just how far do we allow the terrorists to go before all options are on the table?  Would poisoning New York City’s water supply be enough provocation for a nuclear response?  How about blowing up the Super Bowl?

    Or would you prefer to wait until they nuke us first?  Because that’s coming, you know.  We have virtually guaranteed it by refusing to use the only appropriate response to three thousand dead souls.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    You’re welcome, creeper. We are nearing the point of no return and are staring into the precipice. Wishing it away will do no good; negotiating has been worse than pointless; and inaction will be taken as capitulation. I do believe that western civilization will have to take a stand, either voluntarily or through our hand being forced. Islamic extremists are going to force the issue one way or another and our options are limited.

  • Valentine Bonnaire

    Hi Larry.  Nice read.  This is a book I feel like reading, because, it think it is key on some level.  Yesterday I watched the news on Paris.  it’s like how is the world to get along?  How?  I want Paris to be Paris.  Or our states to be what they are.  The double bind is about that?  We are Americans.  Anyway — this book is pretty important.  The thesis?  I think so.  This plus the Klein book Disaster Capitalism.  Right now I’m almost at the end of The Road.  Whew.  What would happen if people could sort out their own countries and the world could get along with itself?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_of_Civilizations

  • Mazuz Al-Faysal Mukrabahat

    Hey Americans, repeat after me:

    - I am American I am coward bitch.
    - I am American I am worthless shit.
    - I am American I am slave of Muslim power.
    - I am American I am garbage eating homo dick-sucking kaka.
    - I am American I am butt kisser of freedom fighters from Palestine and Mexico.
    - I am American I am saying “Good Morning President Hussein”
    - I am American I am saying “Communism is good. I am happy to be a slave.”
    - I am American I am worthless nobody owned by China.
    - I am American I am coward CIA coward FBI coward NSA eating used toilet paper.
    - I am American I am murderer of innocent Palestinian and steal from the poor Mexican.
    - I am American I am eating dirty cock of Baldwin Brothers from age 5.
    - I am American I am fucking my wife that looks like Barbara Walters.
    - I am American I am gargling in the morning with the balls of Keith Olberman.
    - I am American I am BAG OF DUSH.
    - I am American I am learning Rachel Corrie big hero and saint and bow before her.
    - I am American I am kaka smell I am pig I am stupid I am infidel whore.
    - I am American I am suck cock of gay Barney Frank after gay Barney Frank fuck my ass.

    America, you are ZERO. Big empire of shit, Islam and George Soros fuck you down to your knees. America, we will piss on the grave of your George Washington, and you will pray to Allah, on your knees, five times a day!

    America you are SHIT! We are OBAMA UNITED – Islam, ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam, JStreet, Hollywood, Noam Chomsky, Cheryl Crow, …..and MATT DAMON! …..and BEN AFFLECK! …..and BARBARA STREISAND!

    WE WILL FUCK YOU AMERICA! We will fuck you America so deep Muslim cock will push your vocal cords and your ass hemorroyds out of your mouth.

    *** YOU WILL PRAY TO ALLAH !!!