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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been working on my Franklin Planner, my last entry is dated Nov. 2nd. </description>
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		<title>By: AbigailAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbigailAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like&#160;a show of hands on this, please.&#160; Do we need to get out of the U.N.?&#160;

On the issue of unionization, I&#039;m most entertained by Chris Christie&#039;s characterization of the teachers&#039; union in N.J.&#160; -- &quot;It&#039;s like the Hotel California...you can check out but you can never leave.&quot; (Speaking on the fact that you can opt-out, but you have to pay to do so.)&#160; Wasn&#039;t that the modus operandi of the Chicago mafia -- buy our insurance or we&#039;ll break your legs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like&nbsp;a show of hands on this, please.&nbsp; Do we need to get out of the U.N.?&nbsp;</p>
<p>On the issue of unionization, I&#8217;m most entertained by Chris Christie&#8217;s characterization of the teachers&#8217; union in N.J.&nbsp; &#8212; &#8220;It&#8217;s like the Hotel California&#8230;you can check out but you can never leave.&#8221; (Speaking on the fact that you can opt-out, but you have to pay to do so.)&nbsp; Wasn&#8217;t that the modus operandi of the Chicago mafia &#8212; buy our insurance or we&#8217;ll break your legs.</p>
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		<title>By: AbigailAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbigailAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 22:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>felizarte, you bring up an important issue.&#160; I challenge us NQ readers to make it our business to be involved in these ways during the election.&#160; We can&#039;t wait for someone else to take care of posting watchers/reporters to the voting places.&#160; I know I&#039;ll be out there with camera and cell phone.&#160; Check your local laws first. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>felizarte, you bring up an important issue.&nbsp; I challenge us NQ readers to make it our business to be involved in these ways during the election.&nbsp; We can&#8217;t wait for someone else to take care of posting watchers/reporters to the voting places.&nbsp; I know I&#8217;ll be out there with camera and cell phone.&nbsp; Check your local laws first.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The backup vocals are amazing. </description>
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		<title>By: AbigailAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbigailAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katmoon:&#160; Thank you for taking the time to present these.&#160; And thanks, too, for putting some facts to my stumbling, bumbling thinking aloud on this subject.

I would love to read the others you&#039;ve got.&#160; This would make an interesting chapter in a book. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katmoon:&nbsp; Thank you for taking the time to present these.&nbsp; And thanks, too, for putting some facts to my stumbling, bumbling thinking aloud on this subject.</p>
<p>I would love to read the others you&#8217;ve got.&nbsp; This would make an interesting chapter in a book.</p>
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		<title>By: AbigailAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbigailAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arabella trefoil:&#160; &quot;I disagree with some of your interpretations of American history, AbigailAdams. It is important to remember that the first European settlers had many motives for coming here. They were backed by financial entities and they were expected to make a return on the investment. Puritans wanted freedom of religion, but to say that was their only motive for coming here is too simplistic.&quot;

arabella,

Since the discussion of late (mostly between oowawa and me) has been centered on religion and its impetus in our history, the subject of other motives has not&#160;come up.&#160; But your example raises an important point.&#160; The main spark for the American Revolution was provided by&#160;a series of British&#039; parlimentary acts that drew into sharp contrast&#160;some colonists&#039; dissonance over republican rule and the King&#039;s imposition of corporate interests.&#160; The&#160;Boston Tea Party wasn&#039;t about religion, nor was the Molasses Act.&#160; But the Stamp Act was about freedom of the press&#160;as well as unfair taxation to shore up&#160;the Motherland&#039;s failing enterprises in the West Indies.&#160;&#160;But behind these historical events were the&#160;percolating thoughts of&lt;em&gt; what is behind it all.&#160; Why are we here and why&#160;now?&#160;&lt;/em&gt; The Enlightenment, or Great Awakening had&#160;reached&#160;the level of popular culture about 1730&#039;s, 1740&#039;s.&#160;&#160; You&#039;re right,&#160;it didn&#039;t take&#160;hold in the entire colonial population; roughly 1/3rd&#160;were loyalists and 1/3rd were ambivalent --&#160;being too busy with work-a-day worries.&#160; When the ambivalent had an opinion, it was usually tied to whichever army happened to be quartered in town or nearby countryside and&#160;had the upper hand.&#160;

But&#160;the Puritan population of New England&#160;cannot be ignored.&#160; And the part their cultural trajection played in republicanism is well-documented (truly not my own personal interpretation of history).&#160;

Yes, we did have French support in the American Revolution but it was&#160;long seen as a big gamble on their part.&#160; Their eventual support, in part, was given because of their shared vision of the Enlightenment.&#160; But the Americans did not pay&#160;France, as King George paid (and conscripted) the Hessians into service on behalf of the Crown.&#160; The War for Independence became, for the French, seeking the same benefits, an example that it could be done.&#160; The independence sought included the right of&#160;free indivduals to&#160;make their own choices, including of course how to practice their religion.&#160; And that is what the conversation has been about -- recognizing the roots of republicanism.&#160; It was not centered completely on the right to govern our corporate business affairs, but unalienable rights and&#160;under what authority have we to cite for those rights.&#160; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arabella trefoil:&nbsp; &#8220;I disagree with some of your interpretations of American history, AbigailAdams. It is important to remember that the first European settlers had many motives for coming here. They were backed by financial entities and they were expected to make a return on the investment. Puritans wanted freedom of religion, but to say that was their only motive for coming here is too simplistic.&#8221;</p>
<p>arabella,</p>
<p>Since the discussion of late (mostly between oowawa and me) has been centered on religion and its impetus in our history, the subject of other motives has not&nbsp;come up.&nbsp; But your example raises an important point.&nbsp; The main spark for the American Revolution was provided by&nbsp;a series of British&#8217; parlimentary acts that drew into sharp contrast&nbsp;some colonists&#8217; dissonance over republican rule and the King&#8217;s imposition of corporate interests.&nbsp; The&nbsp;Boston Tea Party wasn&#8217;t about religion, nor was the Molasses Act.&nbsp; But the Stamp Act was about freedom of the press&nbsp;as well as unfair taxation to shore up&nbsp;the Motherland&#8217;s failing enterprises in the West Indies.&nbsp;&nbsp;But behind these historical events were the&nbsp;percolating thoughts of<em> what is behind it all.&nbsp; Why are we here and why&nbsp;now?&nbsp;</em> The Enlightenment, or Great Awakening had&nbsp;reached&nbsp;the level of popular culture about 1730&#8242;s, 1740&#8242;s.&nbsp;&nbsp; You&#8217;re right,&nbsp;it didn&#8217;t take&nbsp;hold in the entire colonial population; roughly 1/3rd&nbsp;were loyalists and 1/3rd were ambivalent &#8211;&nbsp;being too busy with work-a-day worries.&nbsp; When the ambivalent had an opinion, it was usually tied to whichever army happened to be quartered in town or nearby countryside and&nbsp;had the upper hand.&nbsp;</p>
<p>But&nbsp;the Puritan population of New England&nbsp;cannot be ignored.&nbsp; And the part their cultural trajection played in republicanism is well-documented (truly not my own personal interpretation of history).&nbsp;</p>
<p>Yes, we did have French support in the American Revolution but it was&nbsp;long seen as a big gamble on their part.&nbsp; Their eventual support, in part, was given because of their shared vision of the Enlightenment.&nbsp; But the Americans did not pay&nbsp;France, as King George paid (and conscripted) the Hessians into service on behalf of the Crown.&nbsp; The War for Independence became, for the French, seeking the same benefits, an example that it could be done.&nbsp; The independence sought included the right of&nbsp;free indivduals to&nbsp;make their own choices, including of course how to practice their religion.&nbsp; And that is what the conversation has been about &#8212; recognizing the roots of republicanism.&nbsp; It was not centered completely on the right to govern our corporate business affairs, but unalienable rights and&nbsp;under what authority have we to cite for those rights.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: getfitnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>getfitnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big dem donors are jumping ship too. </description>
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		<title>By: getfitnow</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/49871/a-bit-of-a-follow-up-to-trumka-and-palin-open-thread/#comment-1401900</link>
		<dc:creator>getfitnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of days ago I saw one of these Obama images, except he looked like a zombie. The caption read : THEY LIVE. This was in the bay area. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of days ago I saw one of these Obama images, except he looked like a zombie. The caption read : THEY LIVE. This was in the bay area.</p>
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		<title>By: sowsear</title>
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		<dc:creator>sowsear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All car trunks should be sealed for 30 days before and 30 days after any election. </description>
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		<title>By: sowsear</title>
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		<dc:creator>sowsear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s also a pot head... and any other variation on the same theme. </description>
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		<title>By: sowsear</title>
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		<dc:creator>sowsear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long ago my son made a cd&#160;of that song and I&#039;ve loved it ever since. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long ago my son made a cd&nbsp;of that song and I&#8217;ve loved it ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: sowsear</title>
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		<dc:creator>sowsear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#160;Long ago my son made a cd&#160;of that song and I&#039;ve loved it ever since. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;Long ago my son made a cd&nbsp;of that song and I&#8217;ve loved it ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: felizarte</title>
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		<dc:creator>felizarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are those the districts also where the SEIU, AFLCIO, MovOn, and Acorn will be deployed? </description>
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		<title>By: Talk2The Paw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talk2The Paw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Islamization&#039; of Paris a Warning to the West&lt;!-- #EndEditable --&gt;
by Dale Hurd
CBN News Sr. Reporter
PARIS - Friday in Paris. A hidden camera shows streets blocked by huge crowds of Muslim worshippers and enforced by a private security force.
This is all illegal in France: the public worship, the blocked streets, and the private security. But the police have been ordered not to intervene. 
It shows that even though some in the French government want to get tough with Muslims and ban the burqa, other parts of the French government continue to give Islam a privileged status. 
An ordinary French citizen who has been watching the Islamization of Paris decided that the world needed to see what was happening to his city. He used a hidden camera to start &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/user/ciceropicas&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posting videos on YouTube&lt;/a&gt;. His life has been threatened and so he uses the alias of &quot;Maxime Lepante. &quot;&#160; 
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Lepante&#039;s View
His camera shows that Muslims &quot;are blocking the streets with barriers. They are praying on the ground. And the inhabitants of this district cannot leave their homes, nor go into their homes during those prayers.&quot;
&quot;The Muslims taking over those streets do not have any authorization. They do not go to the police headquarters, so it&#039;s completely illegal,&quot; he says.
The Muslims in the street have been granted unofficial rights that no Christian group is likely to get under France&#039;s Laicite&#039;, or secularism law. 
&quot;It says people have the right to share any belief they want, any religion,&quot; Lepante explained. &quot;But they have to practice at home or in the mosque, synagogues, churches and so on.&quot;
Some say Muslims must pray in the street because they need a larger mosque. But Lepante has observed cars coming from other parts of Paris, and he believes it is a weekly display of growing Muslim power. 
&quot;They are coming there to show that they can take over some French streets to show that they can conquer a part of the French territory,&quot; he said.
&#160;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/&lt;/a&gt;&#160; for video </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Islamization&#8217; of Paris a Warning to the West&lt;!&#8211; #EndEditable &#8211;&gt;<br />
by Dale Hurd<br />
CBN News Sr. Reporter<br />
PARIS &#8211; Friday in Paris. A hidden camera shows streets blocked by huge crowds of Muslim worshippers and enforced by a private security force.<br />
This is all illegal in France: the public worship, the blocked streets, and the private security. But the police have been ordered not to intervene.<br />
It shows that even though some in the French government want to get tough with Muslims and ban the burqa, other parts of the French government continue to give Islam a privileged status.<br />
An ordinary French citizen who has been watching the Islamization of Paris decided that the world needed to see what was happening to his city. He used a hidden camera to start <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ciceropicas" rel="nofollow">posting videos on YouTube</a>. His life has been threatened and so he uses the alias of &#8220;Maxime Lepante. &#8220;&nbsp;<br />
<strong></strong>Lepante&#8217;s View<br />
His camera shows that Muslims &#8220;are blocking the streets with barriers. They are praying on the ground. And the inhabitants of this district cannot leave their homes, nor go into their homes during those prayers.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The Muslims taking over those streets do not have any authorization. They do not go to the police headquarters, so it&#8217;s completely illegal,&#8221; he says.<br />
The Muslims in the street have been granted unofficial rights that no Christian group is likely to get under France&#8217;s Laicite&#8217;, or secularism law.<br />
&#8220;It says people have the right to share any belief they want, any religion,&#8221; Lepante explained. &#8220;But they have to practice at home or in the mosque, synagogues, churches and so on.&#8221;<br />
Some say Muslims must pray in the street because they need a larger mosque. But Lepante has observed cars coming from other parts of Paris, and he believes it is a weekly display of growing Muslim power.<br />
&#8220;They are coming there to show that they can take over some French streets to show that they can conquer a part of the French territory,&#8221; he said.<br />
&nbsp;<a href="http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/</a>&nbsp; for video</p>
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		<title>By: FLDemFem</title>
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		<dc:creator>FLDemFem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Janine Garafalo considered a valid commentator?? She is a failed actress and un-funny comedienne. Her schtick is whining, much like Obama&#039;s. So why would anyone take anything she says seriously?? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Janine Garafalo considered a valid commentator?? She is a failed actress and un-funny comedienne. Her schtick is whining, much like Obama&#8217;s. So why would anyone take anything she says seriously??</p>
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