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Pastor Terry Jones, from the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida, recently announced plans to burn copies of the Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. General David Petraeus warned that the planned Quran burning could “endanger American troops in Afghanistan and be used to incite violence around the world”. There have already been protests in Afghanistan and Indonesia.

(AP)

Mayor Bloomberg, who has been defending the Ground Zero mosque, had this to say:

In a strange way I’m here to defend his right to do that. I happen to think that it is distasteful. I don’t think he would like it if somebody burnt a book that in his religion he thinks is holy,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a news conference updating the public on the progress of rebuilding at the World Trade Center site.

“But the First Amendment protects everybody,” Mr. Bloomberg said, “and you can’t say that we’re going to apply the First Amendment to only those cases where we are in agreement.”

Hillary Clinton weighed in:

I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths, from evangelical Christians to Jewish rabbis, as well as secular U.S. leaders and opinion-makers.”

Sarah Palin posted on Facebook, in part:

Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.

I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.”

The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.

But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.

I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven’t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can’t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it’s OK to kill converts from Islam.

We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.

A lot of arguments are being made, pro and con, on the issue.

In my opinion, burning the Quran because Islamic extremists attacked America on 9/11 is like burning bibles because Dr. Tiller was murdered, or an abortion clinic was bombed. It’s like burning the American flag because the USA went to war in Iraq. It’s like burning Ozzy Osbourne albums because John McCollum, a depressed teenager, shot himself in the head while listening to the song Suicide Solution. Or burning bibles or blaming all Catholics because some priests are pedophiles.

If you are ok with one, you should be ok with all of these forms of protest.

If you are against any of these, you should be against all of them.

Personally, I think it is a stupid idea. If the Pastor wants to protest he should burn photos of Osama Bin Laden, Osama’s fatwa and images of the terrorists who flew the planes.

Pastor Terry Jones would better serve his congregation and community by holding a fundraiser to raise money for the soldiers and their families who are at/went to war in Afghanistan.

Yes, he has a right to burn the Quran. And, as with the Ground Zero mosque, just because they have the *right*, it doesn’t make it just.

AFP

As for the argument that in doing so, they will be putting soldiers in harms way, I believe we can’t stop being *free* and give in to/live in fear of, threats of violence.

Not exercising our freedoms because of threats of violence from radical extremists means they win.

Aldo Utama/AFP/Getty Images

I have no doubt there will be violence. There was violence before this came about, there was violence over a cartoon drawing of Muhammad, and there will be violence after this protest. Whether they burn the Quran or not, there will be violence.**

Burning the Quran is not the answer, or the problem.

Religions don’t kill people. People who distort religion to violent ends kill people.”

And personally, I’d like to think we are better than them.


Kind of ironic (idiotic) that they protest the burning of something they hold sacred by burning images of the American flag and President….

UPDATE:

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told CNN that the discourse surrounding the center has become so politicized that moving it could strengthen the ability of extremists abroad to recruit and wage attacks against Americans, including troops fighting in the Middle East.

“But if you don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” he later said, predicting that the reaction could be more furious than the eruption of violence following the 2005 publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Sound familiar? Isn’t this like extortion or blackmail or something? Like I said above, we can’t live controlled by the threat of violence, our actions dictated because of threats. Especially by people who stone women to death.

We shouldn’t burn the Quran because of the reasons above. Not because someone is threatening us with violence (and burning our flag).

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    AGI—Welcome back! And just in time for this new “crisis”!
    I agree with you, as far as the reasons above…… and NOT because we’re being threatened.

  • Noogan

    Well, I just thought that some smart person would set up a BIBLE BURNING party right next door to the wacko Jones’s Qur’an burning party. It would illustrate so well our First Amendment Rights to free speech! 

    I hear Wacko Jones has decided not to burn the Qur’ans. Good. It was a stupid idea to begin with; and now we won’t have to have a Bible-Burning party next to him. 

    And, Free Speech worked, in the end, didn’t it?  :-D

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think Obama should have another “Beer Summit” with Imam Rauf and Terry Jones.

  • Onofre’s arm

    I think Obama should have another “Beer Summit” with wacko Imam Rauf and wacko Terry Jones.

  • Samb

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning

    BREAKING  NEWS 10 MIN AGO-
    MOSQUE ? – KORAN BURNING ?

  • Samb
  • Sara
  • Objective Analysis

    Why is a preacher in Florida who only has 50 members getting attention from this media over a Koran Burning?  Why is the POTUS (or Usurper) and all these other muslim organizations weighing on something insignificant to show their violent side when people have been burning religious books in other parts of the Country?

    Is it just me or is this the most STUPIDEST ADMINISTRATION RUNNING OUR COUNTRY YOU HAVE EVER SEEN?

  • Daisy Mae

    Good one, AGI.  Of course, since it’s Rosh Hashanah, would there be delight in certain sectors of the world if a Torah were burned, along side those Bibles?  In a tasteless, azzhat way, wack Jone’s has made some points and gotten people to discuss some issues.  Too bad the Imam couldn’t back down.

  • oowawa

    Well, we were having such a good time with this subject on the last thread, I’m just about all sacrileged out.  I’ll have to dig deep for some more inflammatory infidelity.  But it sure is nice to see you posting here again, American Girl. 

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Or would that be a hummis summit?

  • kinthenorthwest

    To me the burning or banning of any book is not right.  I do not condone it in any fashion.
     
    When I first heard of the burning I could not fathom where this pastor was coming from.  One does not destroy another just because of what they are or believe in.
     
    Remember turn the other Cheek and treat others as you would want yourself treated….
     
    NO I Do Not Condone the Mosque at the Twin Towers Site Either…Whatever the religion or ethnicity of the country who attacked our country on 9/11 they do not belong that close to such a sacred American landmark…with the Twin towers that happens to be the Muslim religion and they need to go build elsewhere.

  • Samb

    REV JONES MOSQUE TO BE MOVED-
    QURAN BURNING CANCELED – YOU TUBE-

  • soetoro

    This retarded and evil Koran must be burnt to ashes to save the Muslims from going to hell and the Muslim world from total destruction!

    Gainesville stops burning but that doesn’t prevent the rest of America and the world from burning this evil and inhuman book!

    Pastor Jones has built-up the momentum and there is no stopping from the non-Muslim world from burning this evil and oppressing book and burning to hell it goes. 

  • Samb

    Westboro Baptist Church to burn Qurans if Dove doesn’t
    By Chad Smith
    Staff writer

    Published: Thursday, September 9, 2010 at 2:42 p.m. 
    Last Modified: Thursday, September 9, 2010 at 5:20 p.m.
    Westboro Baptist Church, the small Topeka, Kan., church that pickets funerals of American soldiers to spread its message that God is punishing the country for being tolerant of homosexuals, has vowed to hold a Quran burning if Gainesville’s Dove World Outreach Center calls its off.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    ObamaD2EB—–funny, funny!

  • bamaLV

    how would they like it if we threatened to kill 100 muslims for every american flag they burn?  im tired of their threats and attempts to intimidate us  ( like they do to this president) .they are only turning more people against muslims by their  arrogant behavior.  notice how many americans came out against the burning of the quran?  where were all the muslims after 9/11.  crickets.

  • Samb

    It seems to be the only thing 
    you can count on during all this 
    religious unrest………. is 

    ONE HELL  >:o   OF A MIGRAINE HEADACHE .

  • bamaLV

    sounds like the imam was told by his handlers and donators in the middle east that he’d better see to it that mosque is built at ground zero…or else.  that was certainly the message he conveyed today.

  • soetoro

    A church in Springfield, Nashville, Tenn plans to burn the retarded, evil and oppressive Koran and to telecast live!

    The Koran belongs to the Arabic desert and nowhere else, you cuckoo Bedouins better take note!

    http://www.wreg.com/news/sns-ap-tn–springfieldminister-quran,0,2432212.story

  • Olivia1998

    I guess I can assume the nativity scenes around the country will be safe this Christmas.  I may event be able to say Merry Christmas and how about my Grandchildren having a good old Christmas concert this year.  Sensitivity, First Amendment Right! If we don’t star standing up for things that built this country you can say good bye.  That’s how they have achieved the power they have in Europe.  One step at a time……

  • Olivia1998

    I guess I can assume the nativity scenes around the country will be safe this Christmas.  I may event be able to say Merry Christmas and how about my Grandchildren having a good old Christmas concert this year.  Sensitivity, First Amendment Right! If we don’t stand up for the ideals that built this country you can say good bye.  That’s how they have achieved the power they have in Europe.  One step at a time……

  • Olivia1998

    I guess I can assume the nativity scenes around the country will be safe this Christmas.  I may event be able to say Merry Christmas and how about my Grandchildren having a good old Christmas concert this year.  Sensitivity, First Amendment Right! If we don’t stand up for the ideals that built this country you can say good bye.  That’s how the Muslims have achieved the power they have in Europe.  One step at a time……

  • Samb

    Associated Press
    Donald Trump is offering to buy out one of the major investors in the real estate partnership that controls the site near Ground Zero where a Muslim group wants to build a 13-story Islamic cultural center.
    .<img style=”float: none; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; border: 0px initial initial;” src=”http://si.wsj.net/img/BTN_insetClose.gif” border=”0″ alt=”mosque”/><img style=”float: none; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; border: 0px initial initial;” src=”http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-JX645_mosque_G_20100909173216.jpg” border=”0″ alt=”mosque”/>
     
     
    In a letter released Thursday by Mr. Trump’s publicist, the real estate investor informed Hisham Elzanaty, a major investor in the Islamic center, known as Park51, that he would buy his stake in the Lower Manhattan building for 25% more than whatever he paid. Mr. Trump wrote that he’s making the offer not because he thinks the location is spectacular but because it would end “a very serious, inflammatory, and highly divisive situation.”
    It’s unclear whether Mr. Elzanaty, an Egyptian-born Long Island resident, has total control over the property, which is owned by an eight-member investment group managed by Soho Properties.

  • Samb
  • Big Cat

    In response to the building of a Mosque near Ground Zero, POTUS the professor treats the issue as a legal matter, conveniently sidestepping  matters of sensitivity and appropriateness. Now, with the threat of Quran burning, issues of sensitivity and appropriateness take center stage and the legality is not an issue.

    “Justice” would be Reverend Wright rising once again from obscurity and weighing in on the side of the evangelicals.

  • donjo

    What can be done to stop this insanity?  The fire department needs to be on hand with their hoses primed and the second a match is lit, it needs to be doused immediateiy.  Then the perp or perps need to be arrested for inciting a riot, because that’s what it is.  Any book burning, Koran or otherwise, will hurt this country immensely. Oh, and a “hooray” to the media, Petraeus, Pres. Dumbo and others who have added fuel to this fire with all the free publicity.  

    Nazi Germany, here we come.  Do these idiots actually think about what they’re contemplating? 

  • donjo

    What can be done to stop this insanity?  The fire department needs to be on hand with their hoses primed and the second a match is lit, it needs to be doused immediateiy.  Then the perp or perps need to be arrested for inciting a riot, because that’s what it is.  Any book burning, Koran or otherwise, will hurt this country immensely. Oh, and a “hooray” to the media, Petraeus, Pres. Dumbo and others who have added fuel to this fire with all the free publicity.     
    Do these idiots actually think about what they’re contemplating and who they will be compared to?  Nazi Germany, here we come.

  • Samb

    Question, would any of this be happening if Obama were not president?
    or is it just because Obama is president,  that it is happening now?
    *DONT_KNOW*

  • FrenchNail

    If indeed the Mosque is to be moved away from GZ, it will be one more teaching of the fundamental 101 Muslim curricular: They only respect force.

    One little nothing church standing up against the Koran, would have achieved more than several months of “debate” and protests.

  • Samb

    FLORIDA IMAM SAYS DEAL NOT DONE -YOUTUBE

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Nazi Germany, here we come.”

    Yep, fifty or so nutjobs threatening to burn a few Qur’ans is a clear signal to brush the dust off our gas chambers and furnaces. I’m buying stock in a company that manufactures cattle cars.

  • sybilll

    I’m so confused.  First, let me state that I am against both the Victory Mosque at Ground Zero, and the Qu’ran burning.  But, what I got from Rauf’s interview was “appect our Religion of Peace, on our terms, or it’s followers will kill you”.  WTF?  They are in OUR country, yes?  Yet, they have successfully blackmailed us on both the mosque, and the Qu’ran burning.  Move the mosque, your people die; burn the Qu’ran, your people die, is that about right? 

  • donjo

    That’s exactly what they were thinking when they burned the books in Berlin.

  • confloyd

    My answer to the Iman that says burning the Koran and moving the mosque will be a good recruitment tool for Bin Laden…

    I’d great, we will build more bullets, hell fire missiles and drones…we don’t have enough work in America now….

    You recruit them, we’ll kill em’

  • oowawa

    What is the difference between burning a book, and deleting the text of that book on your computer?  Neither action will affect the availability of that text in the world.  Answer: one is a symbolic action that holds up the middle finger to someone else’s innermost beliefs.     Isn’t that free speech?  We do that to the obots pretty much every day.  Of course, the obots have no power to kill our soldiers overseas.  The Muslims have intimidated us into not giving them the finger.  We gotta be scared.  And our soldiers are fighting against Muslims on behalf of other Muslims.  We don’t want to endanger them.  Seems like as long as we can say “screw you and your religion” so they don’t overhear us, we’re okay. Well, this is all very befuddling and complex.  Good thing we’ve got the smartest man in the world, Thee One, sorting it all out . . .

  • Nobama4me

    You got it, sybill. It’s the one way street “tolerance”.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I am really getting a new attitude toward diversity.  I don’t think the Founders anticipated non-Western cultures gaining a foothold–let alone a dominion–in the U. S.

  • oowawa

    What is the difference between burning a book, and deleting the text of that book on your computer?  Neither action will affect the availability of that text in the world.  Answer: one is a symbolic action that holds up the middle finger to someone else’s innermost beliefs.     Isn’t that free speech?  We do that to the obots pretty much every day.  Of course, the obots have no power to kill our soldiers overseas.  The Muslims have intimidated us into not giving them the finger.  We gotta be scared.  And our soldiers are fighting against Muslims on behalf of other Muslims.  We don’t want to endanger them.  They’re holding our soldiers and citizens overseas hostage so we don’t give them the finger!  Seems like as long as we can say “screw you and your religion” so they don’t overhear us, we’re okay. Well, this is all very befuddling and complex.  Good thing we’ve got the smartest man in the world, Thee One, sorting it all out . . .

  • My Site (click to edit)

    Samb:  I think you’ve got it right.

  • Tricia

    Nice to see you again AGI!  Great post!

  • Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo

    Burn baby burn, Koran Inferno..

  • oowawa

    Problem is, soetoro, “this evil and oppressing book” is already all over the internet, and you can’t burn it!  It’s there for always!  “Burning it” just empowers it: it makes the book a martyr.  It inflames the fanatics.

    Having said that, I also think it’s perfectly within your rights, in this country, to go ahead and burn it.

  • guest

    Good post, AGI..That fucking Imam Rauf is an extornist, blackmailer, and at the very least fear-mongerer.

  • guest

    See, blanket statements like these sound crazy and give fodder to the elitist lefties to revv up their smug lectures of tolerance.

  • Samb

    I loved SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER-

  • sowsear

    I wonder if the Wacko Iman is just trying to market the mosque property, like that major shareholder who is willing to sell his part to someone like Trump.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    This is why Sharia and radical muslim influence must not get inroads into the American cultural fabric.

    What can America learn from Great Britain and France?

  • Docelder

    I believe we can’t stop being *free* and give in to/live in fear of, threats of violence. - AGII, I have yet to see anybody… anybody including the Preciousdent to our secretary of state to Palin herself who has put this more clearly, more sucinctly or who has hit this more dead on. Yes. This is America. We are free here. We are proud of who we are. The rest of the world can deal with that or not. Our leaders need to quit apologizing right now for who and for what we are. This is America after all. Deal with it.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    A great deal if people open their eyes!

  • Yttik

    Iran is about to stone to death another woman, actually 3 more women, and the president has nothing to say about it. But some whackjob pastor says he’s going to burn the koran and everybody from the State Dept to the Presidency jumps forward to condemn his actions.

    How f-ucked up is that?!

  • Linda Anselmi

    What Tricia said!

  • Docelder

    The thing is… nobody in colonial America probably thought people still beheaded and stoned people to death and beat their wives on a regular basis even back in the 1700′s. These medieval cultures are ridiculous. There is no way this should happen anywhere on the planet in 2010.

  • Docelder

    Where is Hillary in condemning the stonings? What are a pile of books compared to that? How is she going to broker peace in the Mid-East when she won’t condemn these egregious human rights violations? If we had a “peace” deal in the Mid-East but people still are stoned to death anyway… then what the hell good would that peace be?

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    The president is a creepy twerp. I didn’t trust him in 2004, 2008, 2009, or 2010. He’s an inaction figure whose only real muscles are in his overused jaws.

  • foxx

    I’m for all disrespect to patriarchal religion. Inlcuding Jones’s. The more the better. I’m very sorry he caved in.

  • foxx

    Ultimeately f-up. Thank you.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Spot on Doc. I was listening to Neal Boortz this morning and he brought up a point that hadn’t occurred to me. I only have a certain time on earth, which I should be able to use to my desire, including how and where and for whom I work, my pay, etc. My time does not belong to the government or jackie or Prime Obutthole, or any of the other Obama butt-sniffers who frequent this site. My life and work are mine and I shuld be able to do with them as I will, so long as my actions end where my nose does.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Spot on Doc. I was listening to Neal Boortz this morning and he brought up a point that hadn’t occurred to me. I only have a certain time on earth, which I should be able to use to my desire, including how and where and for whom I work, my pay, etc. My time does not belong to the government or jackie or Prime Obutthead, or any of the other Obama backside-sniffers who frequent this site. My life and work are mine and I should be able to do with them as I will, so long as my actions end where my nose does.

  • Docelder

    Reminds me of what might have been. Too bad McCain can’t type because of broken hands. That disqualified him from being cool and from being POTUS.

  • Breeze

    -

    FOR ANY INTERESTED:

    Since this continues the conversation started by RRRAmy, I am taking the
    opportunity of using that as an

    OPEN THREAD

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Spot on Doc. I was listening to Neal Boortz this morning and he brought up a point that hadn’t occurred to me. I only have a certain time on earth, which I should be able to use to my desire, including how and where and for whom I work, my pay, etc. My time does not belong to the government or jackie or Prime Obutthole, or any of the other Obama butt-sniffers who frequent this site. My life and work are mine and I should be able to do with them as I will, so long as my actions end where my nose does.

    That being the case, those obamabots can use their money to assist the moochers, malcontents, Muslims, and other ingrates. I want no part of it. Time is money and I only have a small allotment left. The bleeding hearts can open THEIR wallets.

  • sjc-tx

    “how would they like it if we threatened to kill 100 muslims for every american flag they burn?  im tired of their threats and attempts to intimidate us  ( like they do to this president) .they are only turning more people against muslims by their  arrogant behavior.”

    … I totally agree…  F+++K them. F+++K their “tolerant, respectful, ‘religion’ of peace”.  They can keep their demonic, barbaric ‘culture’ to their ignorant selves and OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!  They are NOT worth the trouble…  and whining about how “mad we will make them” etc is such unmitigated bullshite, I am beyone words!!!     Ours, the most powerful, (used to be anyway), military in the world is cowering in our tents cause a bunch of inbred idiots without a single indiviual thought, might get mad and attack us??!!!  Hey! News flash!!!  They already ARE!!!!!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    See, blanket statements like these sound crazy and give fodder to the elitist lefties to revv up their smug lectures of tolerance
    =============
    Just put crimes against humanity and Islamists in the same sentence and let the lefties try to justify the shit.

  • Breeze

    -

    Burn flags, not Korans?
     
    Washington Times,
    by Editorial   

    Original Article

    9/9/2010 

    On Sept. 11, 2001, radical Islamic terrorists committed the most deadly and destructive foreign attack on U.S. soil. Nine years later, the American people are being told that the country overreacted to the whole thing. President Obama last year declared that Sept. 11 is to be a “national day of service.” Others in the administration seem to think that means it is a day upon which Americans should rise up to protect the Koran. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley on Tuesday drew a moral equivalence between the 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people….

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Lecture the Islamists, nutjob. I don’t care what they do so long as they don’t bring their 7th century bullshit here.

  • FLDemFem

    No, when Goebbels burned books in Berlin, he was trying to kill the ideas in them, and keep people from reading them as well. The books burned were also banned and forbidden for the German people to read. The burnings of the Koran is a protest against the people who espouse its tenets. Tenets which are inherently inimical to not only our Constitution but our way of life. We believe in equal rights for all and they don’t, simple as that. There is a big difference between the two reasons for burning books. Frankly, burning books appals me, I love books, they have been my best friend my entire life, or since I learned to read at the age of 4. I would rather see the Korans recycled, per my other comment on this thread. 

  • soetoro

    Hi Oowawa,

    You are missing the point! We are at war with Islam right now!

    The problem is you are not enraged. Wait till you are the subject of Islamic protracting oppression and treated like a second class citizen, then you would want to burn the retarded, oppressing Koran with burning rage!

    Till now, you and most Americans are just happy go lucky about this issue! 

  • Puma.for.Life

    I agree. Who cares what this guy and his 50 parishioners do? It’s a free country. I think Petraeous and Clinton and Obama are just as idiotic as the koran burners for even paying any attention to this. Bunch of idiots.  It really is the MSM creating a non-crisis…so what is really going on that they are distracting us from?

    Gee, why didn’t the Christians in the world threaten to riot and kill muslims when those aid workers were killed in afghani for carrying bibles?

    I can’t believe the Pentagon and military have nothing better to do than respond to some minor league preacher in Florida…a bunch of idiots.

  • jbjd

    sybill, now, I am confused.  You say, “They are in OUR country, yes?”  Please identify whom you mean by the use of the pronouns, “[t]hey” and [our].”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    It’s a numbers game!!!!

    The Muslim average of 8.1 children per family verses 1.8 for Brits produces a net gain of 6.3 children per family.  Keep that up over three generations of voting age adults and the social, political, and financial control of Western democracies is not only likely, it is inevitable.  Some European countries are now incenting natural-born citizens to have more children, but it is too late. Population experts say the trend is irreversible. Within 50 years, the European Union will be under Muslim control and Europe will cease to exist as we know it.
     
    Muslim control is a numbers game

    Deploying this strategy globally, Muslims can take political control of the Western world without firing a shot. Christians need to understand what is happening, and recognize that our children and grandchildren are going to live in a much different world than the one we occupy today.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    The Muslim average of 8.1 children per family verses 1.8 for Brits produces a net gain of 6.3 children per family.  Keep that up over three generations of voting age adults and the social, political, and financial control of Western democracies is not only likely, it is inevitable.  Some European countries are now incenting natural-born citizens to have more children, but it is too late. Population experts say the trend is irreversible. Within 50 years, the European Union will be under Muslim control and Europe will cease to exist as we know it.  
       
    Muslim control is a numbers game
     
    Deploying this strategy globally, Muslims can take political control of the Western world without firing a shot. Christians need to understand what is happening, and recognize that our children and grandchildren are going to live in a much different world than the one we occupy today.

  • jbjd

    My Site, Alexander Hamilton was born in the West Indies.
    http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/burr/hamiltonbio.htm
    (Again, maybe I am confused.  Please define what you meant by “diversity” and “non-Western cultures.”)

  • honestlawyermostly

    oowawa– Things like this bring out my baser instincts and make me long for a simpler time.  Many years ago in Peace Corps there was a volunteer in the Philippines who was a mechanical genius.  Fittingly for Peace Corps, his degree was in geology.  This volunteer invented a windmill mechanism so simple and easy to assemble from spare parts that it could be (and was) built in most barrios in the country.  One windmill would water at least one hectare– plenty of vegetables to go with the rice.  One night on a country road on his way to Manila, bandits stopped the volunteer and a friend who was with him.  They drug the volunteer and his friend into a field, put pistols to their heads and would have shot them, but for some reason did not.  The bandits stole the volunteer’s jeep, his clothes, his boots and those of his friend.  The Hucbala (sp?), a guerilla group, heard what the bandits had done to the volunteer.  Apparently, they weighed the good the volunteer had done for their countrymen and the “good” the bandits were doing.  The Hucs hunted down the bandits and executed them.  It was a very long time before bandits bothered volunteers.  When I hear the threats calculated to make us relinquish our freedom of speech, and see no one in this administration telling those who threaten us to shut up, I think longingly for the Hucs.

  • Katmoon

    I wish I knew how to phrase all of this, as a military Mom. I can tell you my truth about a couple of things; this is our 4th deployment, and this one scares me because it is Afghanistan. This is coloring my view of the book burning, but the woman I am would rather shove it right up their ass, for the continued murder, and maiming of women. the American I am is fed up and pissed off, first because I feel betrayed by fellow citizens and belittled because I am against the mosque building. I feel this way because I am told this isn’t really a thinking opinion, no, rather, I am too stupid to understand such a complex issue. 

    Let me paint it more complex, the building in one, in a  place so filled with emotion and memory of horror,  this need to build transcribes( to me), as a  deliberate in your face move, with plans to do it again and again and again all over this country. Now to add another layer, as a woman I demand to know if this is a sharia financed situation, because I have no intention of giving up my civil rights because of a need of fairness. Sharia is a cause and effect situation that harms females, period.
    The last layer is this, don’t push any further; to the Imam. We aren’t of the same culture as you, many of us, but this is our country, and these are our citizens, and they have every right to protest as they see fit within the law. Do I want to burn your book? No thank you, I wouldn’t let it my touch my hands, or sully my vision. You are a barbarian, obviously. You are not fit to wash my feet.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    sybill, now, I am confused.  You say, “They are in OUR country, yes?”  Please identify whom you mean by the use of the pronouns, “[t]hey” and [our].”
    ========================

    “Our” is self evident. My family has been here since the early 1700s. This is MY country. I have a great deal invested here as do my ancestors who fought in every war the US fought from the French and Indian War up to Vietnam.

    “They” are those immigrants who come here to use our laws to gain illegitimate sanctuary or reap the economic benefits of being in this country while determined to undermine those same laws and economy by bringing their non-American and quite destructive beliefs with them. They only have an investment that centers around themselves and their way of life. My investment comes in the form of a lifetime of work and a respect for my ancestors.

    They can stay home if they won’t/can’t assimilate.

    Seems fairly simple to me.

  • Breeze

    -

    The Eternal Flame of
    Muslim Outrage

     
    Creators,
    by Michelle Malkin   

    Original Article

    9/9/2010

    Shhhhhhh, we’re told. Don’t protest the Ground Zero mosque. Don’t burn a Koran. It’ll imperil the troops. It’ll inflame tensions. The “Muslim world” will “explode” if it does not get its way, warns sharia-peddling imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. Pardon my national security-threatening impudence, but when is the “Muslim world” not ready to “explode”?

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    My comment was in response to Donjo. That my comment is now under FLDemFem is a function of the site software.

  • oowawa

    Obviously, speaking up for helpless women who are about to be smashed to bloody pulps by rocks is not politically correct right now.  Worse, trying to defend them might piss off the Muslim world . . .

  • Katmoon

    I am going to guess Sybil is referring to the country we know(knew in current times) not one we are quickly have difficulty recognizing. My country does not give special loans to organizations who execute women for their desperate need to maintain some imagined god given power. Maybe that is why this Imam must travel the world to get support because there isn’t enough money or base of support here yet.

  • Breeze

    -

    Colin Powell Says Ground
    Zero Mosque Should Go Forward

     
    Politics Daily,
    by Patricia Murphy   

    Original Article

    9/9/2010

    Gen. Colin Powell, the retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and secretary of state under President George W. Bush, said Thursday that the Islamic community center and mosque planned near Ground Zero in New York City should go forward. Powell made his comments during an appearance on ABC’s “The View.” “The terrorists win if we become terrified and . . . change who we are and what we are,” Powell said, as he argued that it is crucial for Americans to remain true to the values that set the country apart from the rest of the world.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Colin Powell has taken leave of his senses. Nothing to see here.

  • oowawa

    “how would they like it if we threatened to kill 100 muslims for every american flag they burn?”

    They’d love it!  All those martyrs going to Allah!  All that fodder for propaganda and recruitment!  Win-Win-Win! 

  • Katmoon

    No kidding Oowawa, why is it that this detail is not being grasped. It is sickening, and horrible. Women, subjected to these war crimes, that is what they are, It is happening right now, and no huge outcry as there should be. When and how long will it take for women to stop being killed in the name of the pure greed for power, yet some call it faith?.  We will never see ourselves as human unless we try to see through these womens eyes. Fuck politically correct, Oh Fuck them all.

  • Mr. Natural

    Would you settle for lighting up some Jackie Collins books?

  • Armymom

    Oh really, F U Powell. You lost me when you supported that POS CIC and now you try to screw America again. Go away, just go away. Oh and take your wonder boy Obama with you.

  • ~~JustMe~~
  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    General David Petraeus warned that the planned Quran burning could “endanger American troops in Afghanistan and be used to incite violence around the world”. There have already been protests in Afghanistan and Indonesia.
    ====================
    I’ll raise you, General. The very existence of Islamist extremists endangers civilization as we know it. 7th century barbarism has no place in the 21st century, irrespective of how one spins the alleged “peacefulness” of the religion, which is a fact not in evidence and a non-sequitur given the demonstrable evidence available for anyone with even passing congnitive ability. If the islamists insist on their 72 virgins/Virgils, we should oblige them in no uncertain terms.

  • EWard

    Ferd

    Colin Powell has it backwards.  If the mosque is built near GZ the terrorists and sharia law have won.  What a pathetic man he has become. 

  • Breeze

    -

    WONDERFUL NEWS ABOUT RRRAMY:

    /update – “Amy’s surgery went well and she now has a brand new titanium

     right knee!  Thanks to all for your good thoughts and prayers today.”/

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    oowawa—-a very good  and thoughtful comment..
     I personally don’t like “book burnings” mainly because I love books. But of course if someone wants to, it is their constitutional right to do so in America.
    This Florida preacher “crisis” is so hyped right now because the Democrats’ numbers are in the tank…along with the jobs numbers.
    We are being held hostage in our own country, thanks to the Democrats, by a group who constitute less than 2% of our population.  Bizarre is the only descriptive word I have left, because this whole Muslim-driven contrived “crisis” renders me almost speechless.

  • Katmoon

    Oowawa, we are on the same page. I hate seeing a flag desecrated, but I understand it is a symbol, as are these books. Yet in my world, no book, nor symbol of any kind can replace what has been within me since the day I was born, my understanding of God/Goddess all that is, my understanding of the privildge and honor to be a citizen of the United States, which I love with all my heart; and my pity filled with destain for some barely passing for human who would hurt the smaller, the weak, the old, the unrepresented and the furry and four-legged. All this hate for what, to go somewhere that may or may not exist, because it is done on faith? I for one hope there truly is Karma. 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    You rock, Armymom!

  • Lee

    I support what the pastor plans for the reasons listed above.  This situation says more about islam that it does about the pastor.  What is happening in Europe and especially  France concerns me.  Many Europeons are coming out of the woodwork and telling us how much they support the pastor.  They are living in hell over there since the muslims have taken over and wish they had something before it was too late. 

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

     I don’t care what they do so long as they don’t bring their 7th century bullshit here


    Ferd–What a great bumper sticker that would make!

  • Katmoon

    Maybe Dancing with the Stars saw his hot moves and they will give him a call.

  • Mr. Natural

    Powell would justify the stomping of puppies and kittens if it bought him 180 seconds of air time. ANY credibility this former Democrat had was squandered at the UN with his little dog and pony show.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    ~JustMe~  that is interesting AND scary!! mainly scary!

  • Katmoon

    Thanks Breeze, appreciate it.

  • Nobama4me

    Ferd,
    that was clear when he endorsed The Won because he was afraid of…Sarah Palin! :(

  • Lee

    I agree.  Diversity is just a mental attitude.  In reality, though, it just doesn’t work. 

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Ferd,  
    that was clear when he endorsed The Won because he was afraid of…Sarah Palin!
    =============
    Yeah, Nobama4me, she’s probably tougher than him, at least from my perspective–she takes no prisoners.

  • jbjd

    Docelder said, “…nobody in colonial America probably thought people still beheaded and stoned people to death and beat their wives on a regular basis even back in the 1700′s. “These medieval cultures are ridiculous.”

    Speaking of ‘stoning’…

    “Another man of over eighty years was pressed to death under heavy stones for refusing to submit to a trial on witchcraft charges.”
    http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/salem/sal_acct.htm

    Does the ‘double-fault’ of institutionalized abuse of slaves count as “medieval”?
    http://www.jstor.org/pss/844931

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Gen. Colin Powell, the retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
    ===============
    From the way he is opining, I’d say Powell is acting like the former Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff “joint”.

  • Buzz water cracker Latte

    Yeah, and what do we have?  Mormons :-D

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Alexander Hamilton was born in the West Indies.

    jbjd—–yeah, but weren’t they the BRITISH West Indies????????

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yeah, and what do we have?  Mormons
    ===============
    Oh, the humanity….

  • Breeze

    -

    Lee,

    I have been thinking about that since I was born and raised there.

    It wouldn’t surprise me that, once we get rid of this ‘situation’ and
    on our feet again, we might have to send a new GREATEST GENERATION
    to ‘liberate’ Europe once again…..

    What is it they say about “History Repeating”?

  • Guest

    Great post … really great!  Thanks.
    And, your title made me also wonder:  ”To stone, or not to stone?”

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    My Site—I hear ya! And you know, I was taught to respect the people and culture of any foreign country I visited. My father taught us that any time we, as Americans, visit a foreign country, we are automatically ” ambassadors” to that country….and anything we do or say might reflect well or poorly on ALL Americans…That’s just the reality of life!!
    I would never go to France and demand and protest that they change their laws for me, write them in English, and then burn the French flag if my “demands” were not met. Why would I go to France if I wanted an American culture??

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle
  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    sybilll—-You got it about right. We’re trash. They’re truth.

     And I think the muslims must be the inspiration for the stickers you see on the backs of trucks that read:

    Don’t Like My Driving? Call 1-800-EAT-SHIT

  • sjc-tx

    http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/

    Please pass this around…  

    We will never forget…

  • Katmoon

    Also we are speaking in real time, frankly I am more concerned with women in this country being kidnapped now to be made into sex slaves. I already know what our past is, it is not a siutation which compares with the present, not the same laws, not the same economy, not even the same political structure.   When most people say this is “their” country, they are referring to a sense of pride, that is a good thing, you must have pride to care for your home properly. But, if one wants to get technical, for some of us it is our country, our only country, all the way back to when people walked on this continent. We have no other known home.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping


    That fucking Imam Rauf is an extornist, blackmailer, and at the very least fear-mongerer

    guest—yeah, and those are just his attributes!

  • HARP

    Dang…..Who knew “end times”

    could be so entertaining.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Breeze—many, many thanks for this news!!!

  • HARP

    Dang…..Who knew “end times” could be so entertaining.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Ferd—hilarious, kiddo!

  • Yttik

    Thank you for filling us in! She’s been in my thoughts and prayers today.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    Yeah, he’s a Bogart.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Would you settle for lighting up some Jackie Collins books?
    mr. natural—Does silicone burn?

  • donjo

    No kidding, Ferdie.  Which century’s religious bullshit do you prefer? 

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Buzz—–It’s so good to “see” you again!

  • Armymom

    Katmoon, I understand how you feel. Here’s what I’ve been thinking about since the ignorant Obama weighed on this book burning. I don’t give a damn about a koran, burn it, flush it, bury it, read it, I don’t care. What I do care about is the fact that Obama made reference to the fact that it could escalate over in Iraq and Afghanistan and I thought WTF, aren’t we in a “war” in both places? So it’s already dangerous and we have soldiers that we trained, turning on us and killing our soldiers without provacation such as burning a koran. But now we’re suppose to put on “kid gloves” and not burn this insignificant book so as not to put “gas on the fire’? The way I see it, let them take to the streets and protest, it’s makes an easier target for our drones.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Only if you could include a stack of Danielle Steele.

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    No kidding, Ferdie.  Which century’s religious bullshit do you prefer? 
    ======================
    Oh, go fuck yourself, donjo. My religion is none of your business but it isn’t Islam and isn’t yours, either. Your equating of this book-burning with Nazis is as moronic as your analogy between the US Army and Hitler’s army on an earlier thread. You are one stupid little troll who should be banned for banality. Go back to your bridge, troll, and haunt the billy goats that make up your spouse’s family. You are such a fool.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Powerful presentation.  I had to stop watching.  And, yes.  We will never forget.

  • Dave

    My turn to rant.  I don’t even think of Islam as a religion, I believe it to be a cult, I had a 16 week course on Islam while in college.  All I remember is the hateful Imams coming in to preach to the class each week, you could see the hatred in their faces.  Mohammed, as far as I am concerned was a child molester, ( the asshole married a 6 year old girl when he was 53 years old, I call that child molestation),  The Quran was written by Mohammed based on what he claims Allah told him, it was ok for him to consume alcohol, but no one else.  Does this bullshit behavior sound logical, Ihave lived near dearborn Michigan where thare are over 300,000 muslems.   If we had a President that produced testerone, this crap would cease, do you think Regan would have tolerated this crap ??  I personally would send a few cruise missles into Mecca and Medina during holy week.  Just to help them celebrate !

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    FlDemFem—i always enjoy your comments.
    Hope you’re well and feeling great!

  • kinthenorthwest

    THats my concensus too — book burning or book banning is too similar to me and both I would not like to see in our country. 

    Already many of our classics are being banned in many school libraries. So to see someone burn a book, even though I Do Not believe in what is written in its pages sends chills down my body.

    I do agree with Cindy that this Florida preacher thing is being hyped up too much.  Obama would have been better off if he had just kept his mouth shut.  Whats new?? Obama seems to be always putting his foot in his mouth.

    Just my two cents.

  • lizzy

    Look at Obama’s poll numbers and you will see why this is getting so much press.  Evil Americans against the rational POTUS.  Things can hardly get worse so they play up this lovely distraction.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    I’m with you, Brother Dave.

  • oowawa

    Well, unless something is done to bring down the internet, book banning, much less book burning, is a thing of the past.  And if something is done to bring down the internet, we’ll just have to figure out some way to pass notes in the re-education camps.

  • HARP

    I`m getting whiplash over here.
    The burning is on then it`s off…on…off and maybe on again.

    Let`s all break out in song.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Staying home sounds perfect. Plus it would free a whole load of money from their social programs.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Staying home sounds perfect. Plus, it would free a whole load of money from their social programs. Freeloaders!

  • FLDemFem

    “Justice” would be Reverend Wright rising once again from obscurity and weighing in on the side of the evangelicals.

    That would also be exceedingly weird, given that Rev. Wright is a former Muslim and a good friend of Farrakhan’s.

  • FLDemFem

    It’s ok, Ferd, I know you don’t think I am a nutjob..most of the time. ;)

  • sybilll

    TY Ferd, for answering for me, as I took a break from mind boggling politics, and actually watched football.  Your response said everything I would have, except that I have been lambasted on other internet outlets for actually saying immigrants should assimilate.  I am not kidding.  I guess I should have filed a lawsuit in Anti-Paros in the Greek Isles for not having a Presbyterian church, eh? 
    P.S. Sorry about the appect dyslexic moment. 

  • FLDemFem

    Don’t forget the Duggars..19 kids and counting. So now all we have to do is convince all the young ladies of America to take Mrs. Duggar as a role model.

  • oowawa

    The Koran moves into the modern age.  Every teenager is going to want one of these babies!  Flame resistant!

  • HARP

    To bad for the Muslims that most of us don`t give a……..

  • oowawa

    Soetoro, just because I’m cute and pink and cuddly, doesn’t mean I’m not enraged!

  • sybilll

    I agree wholeheartedly.  Aside from stoning women, they stone gays.  And the “progressives” support this abomination?  Yet, I am “extreme” for attending a Tea Party where we say the Pledge of Allegiance, and sing the National Anthem.  Go figure. 

  • twistedfister13f

    How long have you been and idiot dongshit, or are you just trolling for some more hopey changey? First have you ever read the damn book? Second, if you had you would know it is nothing but a distorted rip off of the first testament, and followed by the Hadith, which is a how- to manuel in mysogeny, animal love, violence against every religion, subterfuge, big emphesis on torture, and we have not even got to Shari’a. As an athiest being objective is not a problem, living on your knees should concern everyone.

  • sjc-tx

    Taking bets on how obama’s going to spend saturday, the 11th…    I bet he will be playing golf with someone named mohamed…

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Where were the Muslims after 9/11?  Dancing in the streets…just as they will be this coming Saturday.

  • donjo

    Too stupid to be worth a reply. 

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Indeed, Ferd.  Once upon a time, an attempt to overthrow the government of the USA was grounds for treason.  There is no difference in trying to take over through sheer numbers to undermine the constitution and armed agression on our soil.  They have to go.

  • donjo

    Gee, Ferdie, another outstanding reply. Obviously based on your delusional mind . Sieg Heil.  It’s obvious the parallels are too difficult for you to comprehend.  

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    The Melting Pot has cracked…

  • FrenchNail

    You were there? Me too. Wasn’t it incredible!

  • Concerned

    Book burning!! I reckon the greenies should be up in arms! Carbon pollution rah rah rah…:p

    On a more serious note, haven’t we progressed past the dark ages? I mean seriously…book burning?!! True Christians won’t do such things. So this “pastor” should do some serious self reflection.

    Back to the muslim solution…what the west needs to WAKE UP and realise is…you will NEVER be able to reason with the fundamentalists because it’s contrary to their religion. I say just kick ‘em all out.

  • FrenchNail

    hey, Breeze, born and raised where?

  • Patrick Henry

    Let them Build the Mosque…maybe a Plane will Crash in to it..

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Harp—what a scream!

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    oowawa—–well, with any luck at all, maybe they’re made in China, and “flame resistant” actually translates into “explodes upon impact”!
    You know how reliable consumer products are these days…….

  • Samb

    why not -BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE-

  • Geoff C.. The Saltine

    How crazie would they go if someone put mudhomad in a jar of pee like they did with christ. These people have no schooling, just what the imman tells them to think (as he reads the news or the koranski to them)  in most of the countries that they live in, as most can not read or write. The burning of the made up book should not happen, but I don’t care if they do, go buy another book, you can’t kill the story if it means that much to you. And why is boo telling us that he will charge this man with a crime; it is his 1st amd right to say or do what he wants with that damn book. Boo is getting into something that is none of his business again, when was the last time that any president got involved like this with citizens all the time.  

  • Samb

    It’s amazing the mess that can be made
    when you are trying to prove your right.

    Yes it is very entertaining.

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    How crazie would they go if someone put mudhomad in a jar of pee like they did with christ

    And how about having a world famous rock star announce that he is more popular than Mohammed?? When John Lennon said that he was more popular than Jesus, remember what a firestorm that caused around the globe?! 

  • EllenD

    That story sounds like honor being used in a GOOD way.

  • EllenD

    I second that hope. You’re sounding pretty feisty, FlDemFem.

  • EllenD

    Samb, you’re right.
    We have the first Post Racial President, therefore every day we have to have a Racial or Bigotry crisis that the President absolutely HAS TO weigh in on.

    Forget the Economy. Forget Iran. Forget our Military.

    It’s time for the Racial/Bigotry lesson of the day!

  • EllenD

    Starting to make Amnesty look like a good idea.

  • Jackie

    I am a passionate supporter of the Cordoba House, and I have no problem whatsoever with a Koran being burned.  Your faith ends where my nose begins. And no religion is above ridicule, or even desecration, in my opinion.  Especially by non-adherents.

  • EllenD

    Colin Powell has taken leave of his senses.
    Again?

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    OT:  Any of you affected by the SF Bay Area explosion and fire??!! 
    We hope and pray you are not! It sounds horrible.

    San Bruno, San Mateo….developing story on Fox.

  • Michelle from the Resisitance

    “Das war ein Vorspiel nur, dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.” – Heinrich Heine

    There’s a scene in “Batman Begins” where Henri Ducard says to Bruce Wayne: “Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.” And Bruce answers: “That’s why it’s so important. It separates us from them.”

    I grew up in a country that constantly needs to defends itself against brutal merciless enemies, and we always had to remind ourselves that “he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.”

    Yes, it’s not like murdering, but there’s a certain touch of violence in the act of burning books, or any other symbol that holds a deep meaning to a group of people. Take care lest you become like the people you fight against, Pastor Terry Jones.

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Your faith ends where my nose begins.” 

    Well, since your nose begins on what must be the worlds fattest face, unless people live on another continent, their faith won’t make it out the door.

  • Jackie

    “Well, since your nose begins on what must be the worlds fattest face, unless people live on another continent, their faith won’t make it out the door.”

    You’re continuing to be the world’s biggest asshole.  No surprise there.

  • Onofre’s arm

    The Chronicles of Jackie: (bumped forward)

    Part One:

    Jackie   
    “I have 2 birth certificates”; Proclaims a defiant Jackie!
     
    Jackie was born twice! The first time she popped out, the Doctor was so revulsed that he shoved her back in. They brought in a blind panhandler off the street for the second delivery, with the caveat that he would take her to the nearest dumpster upon exiting the Hospital. A family of large rats rescued her from a trip to the landfill, and raised her as their own. To this day, people can still see the family resemblance.

    Part Two:

    While still an infant, Jackie’s rat family soon realized that the close quarter living in their sewer abode was causing Jackie to laugh convulsively when their furry flea infested bodies brushed up against HER furry flea infested mass. Jackie’s incessant laughter was exposing the entire rat colony to the detection of the city exterminators, so remedies for this problem were discussed among the elders. It was agreed that exile from the colony was out of the question since the cockroaches attracted by Jackie’s presence had become a welcome staple to the diet of the happily fattening group of rodents, so it was determined that the most medically advanced among them would perform a humorechtomy on the belly laughing bambino. Tensions ran high as Jackie’s funny bone was deftly removed by nervous rats, dripping with sweat, who were deeply invested in her continued well being, but the thought of ending the deafening guffawing and preserving an endless stream of crunchy cockroaches, was more than enough incentive to make the operation a great success. But sadly, as with all good news, there’s always corresponding bad news, Jackie would never be able to laugh again. 

    To be continued (upon request).

  • Onofre’s arm

    The Chronicles of Jackie: (bumped forward)  
     
    Part One:  
     
    Jackie     
    “I have 2 birth certificates”; Proclaims a defiant Jackie!  
       
    Jackie was born twice! The first time she popped out, the Doctor was so revulsed that he shoved her back in. They brought in a blind panhandler off the street for the second delivery, with the caveat that he would take her to the nearest dumpster upon exiting the Hospital. A family of large rats rescued her from a trip to the landfill, and raised her as their own. To this day, people can still see the family resemblance.  
     
    Part Two:  
     
    While still an infant, Jackie’s rat family soon realized that the close quarter living in their sewer abode was causing Jackie to laugh convulsively when their furry flea infested bodies brushed up against HER furry flea infested mass. Jackie’s incessant laughter was exposing the entire rat colony to the detection of the city exterminators, so remedies for this problem were discussed among the elders. It was agreed that exile from the colony was out of the question since the cockroaches attracted by Jackie’s presence had become a welcome staple to the diet of the happily fattening group of rodents, so it was determined that the most medically advanced among them would perform a humorechtomy on the belly laughing bambino. Tensions ran high as Jackie’s funny bone was deftly removed by nervous rats, dripping with sweat, who were deeply invested in her continued well being, but the thought of ending the deafening guffawing and preserving an endless stream of crunchy cockroaches, was more than enough incentive to make the operation a great success. But sadly, as with all good news, there’s always corresponding bad news, Jackie would never be able to laugh again.   
     
    To be continued (upon request).

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    LOL–Onofre—-I can see this turned into made-for-internet movie, as the dark, adult version of Ratatouille (sp)

  • Onofre’s arm

    The Chronicles of Jackie: (bumped forward)    
       
    Part One:    
       
    Jackie       
    “I have 2 birth certificates”; Proclaims a defiant Jackie!    
         
    Jackie was born twice! The first time she popped out, the Doctor was so revulsed that he shoved her back in. They brought in a blind panhandler off the street for the second delivery, with the caveat that he would take her to the nearest dumpster upon exiting the Hospital. A family of large rats rescued her from a trip to the landfill. What they had initially mistaken to be a 55 gallon drum sized garbage bag filled with the results of multiple liposuction procedures, was actually the infant Jackie, and against their better judgement, they brought her back to their home and raised her as their own. To this day, people can still see the family resemblance.    
       
    Part Two:    
       
    While still an infant, Jackie’s rat family soon realized that the close quarter living in their sewer abode was causing Jackie to laugh convulsively when their furry flea infested bodies brushed up against HER furry flea infested mass. Jackie’s incessant laughter was exposing the entire rat colony to the detection of the city exterminators, so remedies for this problem were discussed among the elders. It was agreed that exile from the colony was out of the question since the cockroaches attracted by Jackie’s presence had become a welcome staple to the diet of the happily fattening group of rodents, so it was determined that the most medically advanced among them would perform a humorechtomy on the belly laughing bambino. Tensions ran high as Jackie’s funny bone was deftly removed by nervous rats, dripping with sweat, who were deeply invested in her continued well being, but the thought of ending the deafening guffawing and preserving an endless stream of crunchy cockroaches, was more than enough incentive to make the operation a great success. But sadly, as with all good news, there’s always corresponding bad news, Jackie would never be able to laugh again.     
       
    To be continued (upon request).

  • Onofre’s arm

    “Ratajackie”?

  • Katmoon

    It is as if not one day has passed since that horrible day. My reaction reamains the same, I weep, I am shocked and I am sickened. I wil never forget, our country has never been the same since. We have been living moment to moment since then, some of us deployment to deployment, and I would add every soldier who has lost their life as well. I still do not know why, and for what purpose these attacks happened, and I stopped guessing a long time ago. It no longer matters. Each and ever single attack carried out by these groups/factions/ terrorists/extremists, (or my preferred term barbarians) has changed the face of world as well. That is my focus. I don’t care either what name they are labeled for political convience. Collectively the actions around the world carried out against many nations is and has been intolerable and no amount of hope and change, alters the reality of what has been done and what is being done against humanity. If we had  American “extremists” carrying out these acts against other countries, how long do you think it would have taken for us as a people to be held accountable? I will never forget, as far as forgiveness to move on…..move on from what? Taming the barbarians? It isn’t working, as they are still attacking in different locations.  I am not capable of forgiving hatred towards the rest of mankind; I watch I learn, I listen, and I prepare, and I speak out against any ideology that requires me to turn a blind eye to outright murder. Murder that is carried out each and everyday, against a single woman to be stoned, or an entire building destroyed.   

  • Katmoon

    It is as if not one day has passed since that horrible day. My reaction remains the same, I weep, I am shocked and I am sickened. I will never forget, our country has never been the same since. We have been living moment to moment since then, some of us deployment to deployment, and I would add every soldier who has lost their life as well. I still do not know why, and for what purpose these attacks happened, and I stopped guessing a long time ago. It no longer matters. Each and every single attack carried out by these groups/factions/ terrorists/extremists, (or my preferred term barbarians) has changed the face of world as well. That is my focus. I don’t care either what name they are labeled for political convienience. Collectively the actions around the world carried out against many nations are and continue to be intolerable and no amount of hope and change, alters the reality of what has been done and what is being done against humanity. If we had American “extremists” carrying out these acts against other countries, how long do you think it would have taken for us as a people to be held accountable? I will never forget, as far as forgiveness to move on…..move on from what? Taming the barbarians? It isn’t working, attacks continued to be carried out in different locations.  I am not capable of forgiving hatred towards the rest of mankind; I watch I learn, I listen, and I prepare, and I speak out against any ideology that requires me to turn a blind eye to outright murder. Murder that is carried out each and every day, against a single woman to be stoned, or an entire building destroyed.   

  • ~~JustMe~~

    British group to burn US flag protesting Quran burning
    Thu, Sep 9 07:20 PM
    London, Sep 9 (IANS) A radical Muslim group in Britain intends to burn the American flag at various locations in the country protesting the plan of a US pastor to burn the Quran on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attack, a media report said Thursday.
    Islam4UK, a web-based organisation that describes itself as a platform for banned group Al Muhajiroun, has asked Islamic groups in Britain and other countries to carry out the protests as well.

  • Katmoon

    JustMe, oh great, and I can see people thinking the “British” collectively as a nation are involved, when they are not. Again I point out if we had some nut job renegade(in large numbers) Christians were surfacing country to country to incite hate in the name of their faith, Americans(especially Christians, and their leaders) would be screaming long and loud to clarify they are not part of this insanity. Hell look at the reaction regarding the burning of the Koran over a tiny group of fools (these fools also act out their hate against other Americans in the form of the soldier funeral protests) in comparison to the public support Muslims give these events. (Speaking to current events here).

     This is being done to deliberatley hurt and anger Americans. See another example of the barbarians attempt at being proactive politically while they are probably making concession stands and readying the ring side seats for the next sanctioned stoning.

  • Katmoon

    JustMe, oh great, and I can see people thinking the “British” collectively as a nation are involved, when they are not. Again I point out if we had some nut job renegade(in large numbers) Christians were surfacing country to country to incite hate in the name of their faith, Americans(especially Christians, and their leaders) would be screaming long and loud to clarify they are not part of this insanity. Hell look at the reaction regarding the burning of the Koran over a tiny group of fools (these fools also act out their hate against other Americans in the form of the soldier funeral protests) in comparison to the public support Muslims give these events. (Speaking to current events here).  
     
     This is being done to deliberately hurt and anger Americans. See another example of the barbarians attempt at being proactive politically while they are probably making concession stands and readying the ring side seats for the next sanctioned stoning.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I read yesterday that the minister asked for Obama or a cabinet member to call him.  Gates called.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    We are not burning the book, this one off-beat minister is threatening to burn the book.  It’s not the collective will of the American people.

  • My Site (click to edit)

    I respectfully disagree.  This is not about being terrified, this is about being offended.

  • FLDemFem

    kin, the problem with turning the other cheek is that, after a while, your ass gets sore.

  • FLDemFem

    I had my last, I hope, chemo and am doing the blood tests and waiting for the results of various other tests to see if I still have any cancer. I am supposed to get a bone density scan to check on bone density soon. Other than that I am still tired, but not as tired as I was, which is good. And since I don’t have to do another chemo, as far as I know, I will soon get over being tired, I hope. Right now, it’s a wait and see situation. So I am waiting to see. And whatever the results of the tests, I am determined to get over this. I don’t see cancer as a disease, I see it as a personal insult, and I don’t take insults well at all. Heh.

  • creeper

    Nine years and I still cry.

  • jmm915

    You’re in my prayers FL.  Let us know how it turns out.

  • Katmoon

    Thank you for the update FlDemFem. In my passion regarding the articles, I forget sometimes to ask. Thank you Cindy for reminding as well. A lot of prayers your way and continued good strong positive thoughts. Reframing this as a personal insult is really creative and positive in the healing process. Also a shout out to Candymarl, her hubby had surgery not too long ago, wanting to send some sweet thought their way as well. Amazing all the bloggers on NQ, who have serious life events going on, who are still engaged managing taking time to contribute and discuss.  

  • soetoro

    Yes! The Muslims are coming. Very soon every American has to wear a turban/burka! 

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article625231.ece

  • FLDemFem

    Diversity works fine if one of the groups doesn’t demand extra “rights” or privileges. It works just fine if one of the groups isn’t violent and murderous. I remember a dinner party I was part of that celebrated American diversity. It was a “bring your heritage” dinner. We cooked dishes with recipes were either handed down through our families or that were part of the culture of one or more of our ancestors. We had roast beef with Yorkshire pudding, Vietnamese noodles, Indian curry, spaghetti and various pastas with sauces, Irish stew, Hungarian goulash, haggis, and for dessert, tiramisu and English trifle. We all enjoyed partaking of each other’s culinary heritage, and the food was great. Ok, maybe not the haggis, but the rest of it was great. Diversity is a good thing, if all parties participating respect each others cultures and traditions. It doesn’t work if one group demands more than the rest and threatens the rest of the groups with violence if they don’t get it.

  • HARP

    Which Hollywood clown gets to play the Jackie part ?

  • FLDemFem

    Powell lost me when he stood up and lied to the UN for Bush. I wonder if he ever thinks about how many soldiers lives that lie cost this country.

  • guest

    They can stay home if they won’t/can’t assimilate.
    ======================================

    wonder if the native american indians thought the same thing.

  • Jackie

    Anyone here to actually discuss the Koran burning?  Anyone?

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yeah, and what do we have?  Mormons

    Yea donjo remined us how scary the Mormons are to the country!!!

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Yorkshire pudding and trifle!!!! Brings back memories!

  • Onofre’s arm

    OK, back on topic. How far will Jackie have to walk before the immense friction between her monstrous thighs creates enough heat to ignite a Qur’an?

  • eyelets

    The  POTUS needs to defend the Constitution w/ the same convictions he did when he went on national TV abt the mosque center.  If it’s about inalienable right  to religious freedom, then it’s also about the right to freedom of speech for the pastor. 

  • Breeze

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    ITALY

  • Jackie

    And this is the crowd that drones on endlessly about the immaturity of Obama supporters.  Are you 9 years old, or what?

  • bamaLV

    i just recieved an email from a friend in NY that shows hundreds of muslims praying in the middle of madison ave. and holding up traffic for hours. they do this every day.   wish i knew how to post it but i dont.  wasnt there an incident recently where of a bunch of students  were chased off the capitol steps because they were saying the pledge of allegiance?whats becoming of this country???

  • Breeze

    -

    “Thus the new $1.5 million mosque in Tredyffrin is truly an American Dream for Mr. Aziz.

    Since joining the congregation in 1998, he said, it has more than doubled in size as technology professionals arrived in the area from India and Pakistan.”

    ———————————————————————————————-

    EDUCATION

    seems to be the key answer to the success and friendliness here.

    Also, it does not sound like there are too many Arabs in this congregation….

  • bamaLV

    what surprises me most is that so many muslim women  are protesting against american values.  do they LIKE being stoned to death? or have their ears and noses cut off?   what i dont understand is why, if muslims hate america so much, do they come here?

  • bamaLV

     muslims  stoning gays to death is such hypocracy since its well known they like young boys.  they take them along when they are on the battlefield. no wonder they make women cover themselves up.  the men cant stand to look at them when they’d rather have young boys.   btw..i read that little tidbit in national geographic.

  • FLDemFem

    To post the picture, download it to your computer, then open a comment window and click the add images button, then browse for or write in the file name of the picture and hit upload. Then it will upload onto NQ and appear in a little box below your comment. You can also caption it.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Well history serves us all with great lessons. We are speaking of going forward here. For the security and safety of our children and their children, we have to remain firm in our beliefs today and not be intimidated by horrendous acts from the past.
    If we are looking towards a country where we do not have to keep looking over our shoulders some acts of violence have to be laid to rest. However, we will never forget how we progressed to the level of understanding we have today!

  • Retired

    I am getting a bit tired of the threat of “anger in the Muslim world” being used to intimidate and blackmail America and the West into submitting to Islamic will.  Imam Rauf’s use of this threat, although I am sure that he would characterize it as just an insight into Muslim sensitivities, is just a further indicator of where his true loyalties lie.
    It is one thing for America to be tolerant.  It is quite another for us to let an enemy cleverly exploit our tolerance against us to their benefit and our detriment.
    Muslims need to make a choice between adhering to a literal interpretation of the Qur’an and living peacefully in a world society composed both Muslims and non Muslims.  Those whose religion it is to make war on, slaughter and suppress those of different faiths cannot be given a pass of tolerance just because their religion happens to be killing people.  Were that the case, any common murderer could seek the defense of “just practicing my religion” to escape justice for his acts.
    If Muslims will not self police the murderously intolerant among them, then society at large is obliged to step forward and take action.  Some may call this religious intolerance.  I think of it merely as self defense. 

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Perfectly stated Retired!

  • surfered

    The object is to decrease the number of our enemies, not increase them.  There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world.  To date, less than one-tenth of one percent of them have committed violent acts against us.  Insurgencies are won by “winning hearts and minds,” not by turning the good guys into bad guys. 

    It’s exasperating to have to remind people that our allies in Paksistan, Afghanistan, and other countries are Muslim.  American Muslims serve in the U. S. military and their translators at the point of the spear are Muslim.

    This Islamaphobia being peddled to the weak minded, which conflates Al Qaeda with Islam, is not productive nor in our best interest.  It could allow the country of Madison Avenue to lose the propaganda war to people who live in caves.

  • Hokma

    The reason I am upset with this threat of Koran burning is that it has presented a convenient distraction for the liberal media to move off the reall major issues which is the Ground Zero Mosque and even use it as a reason for this Pastor to do his Koran buring.

    Tomorrow is September 11th and it should be devoted to the memories of those lost and the heroes of that day and the days following.

    It should also be a day where there will be protests against the Muslim Ground Zero Mosque and their backers and fronters – all of whom have proven that Muslims are intolerant of anyone but themselves.

    The Donald tried valliently to buy the property and give a 25% profit to the Egyptian investor with a simply condition that they build their mosque another 5 blocks away. The Egyptian refused.

    The Imam has come back to state that the project will move forward without any discussion or compromise. More blatant intolerance.

    And as you pointed out this radical Imam said:

    “But if you don’t do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world,” he later said, predicting that the reaction could be more furious than the eruption of violence following the 2005 publication of Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.”

    That is not the voice of a moderate Muslim or an American. It is the voice of an anti-American Muslim extremist who sides with terrorist groups like Hamas and blames the USA for September 11 and the empowerment of bin-Laden.

    It will be also interesting to see what kind of reception the mayor (small “m”) of New York gets tomorrow. It might be best for him to stay away but he is too arrogant to understand what others feel.

  • Breeze

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    Springfield Pastor Plans
    To Burn Quran

    NewsChannel5.com
    (Springfield, Tenn.),
    by Kim Gebbia   

    Original Article

    9/10/2010 

    Springfield Pastor Bob Old said his decision to burn the Islamic holy book on September 11 has nothing to do with the agenda of the pastor in Florida or the controversy surrounding the mosque in New York. He has his own reasons behind the demonstrations and no intentions of backing down. “My plans for Saturday are to take a copy of the Quran and burn it,” said Old.

  • Breeze

    -

    Enough Already with Reverend Jones
     
    National Review Online,
    by Victor Davis Hanson   

    Original Article

    9/10/2010

    Everyone is trying to outdo one another in righteous condemnation of the Reverend Terry Jones and his micro-flock, to assure the world that 50 people out of 300 million does not a majority make. That is altogether fine and good, and yet we all know the asymmetry involved — whether it is a scholarly remark made by a pope and the Muslim riots in response, or the policies of many Arab countries forbidding open worship by other religions and, in some cases, the presence of non-Muslims in entire cities.

  • ripalinsky

    BURN……BABY……BURN

  • Suzanne Goldstein, PhD

    I *SO* agree with you “Noogan”! We should burn not only stupid bibles but also stupid christians! And free speech belongs only to us, progressives. And as you cleverly hinted, freedom of speech was flushed down the toilet today, because here now we are talking about islam and progressives, so fuck the freedom of speech of anybody that is not islam or progressive. We own freedom of speech, BITCHES! Everybody else can go and eat shit. Islam shit and progressive shit. WE OWN THIS COUNTRY. Islams and progressives united, we will FUCK everybody else. When we team up with the Mexican gangs, we will have all angry white people ON THE RUN!
    We will destroy all fanatic christian jezuzy lovers and the same will go for the dirty scummy rotten zionist neocons. When we destroy these assholes, we will have a world of peace.
    “Noogan” you are the best! I really like you, not like all the Obama-hating freak Jew Zionists that fill this blog with their commentary.

  • Josh Goldfarb, Berkeley

    I love the outcome of this whole crazy Holy and Magnificent Qur’an burning event. At the end the coward christian was forced to bend over and take a goat cock in his ass. Or maybe a camel cock, and a camel foot for dessert. Dirty christians need to know that this country is run by Obama, and this is our day. Sharia law is around the corner. We will build mosques on the 9/11 site, we will build crack houses, we will build gay bath-houses and we will build nightclubs where underage boys will be made available to elderly gay men in positions of leadership like Barney Frank.
    9/11 happened because of the suffering of Palestinians. It is only logical that the site of 9/11 should be a public apology to Muslims whose heroic sons gave their lives to fight the injustices carried out by the US and the Zionists and destroyed the twin towers in an act of Muslim courage and justice.

  • Idris Atbah Al-All

    What a glorious lesson to Americans. Even if you have one American with half a ball to fight against the wrath of Allah, all media outlets shall attack this person, and show you a taste of Sharia law. Even the ISP in Texas bend over like a 11 year old boy to take in the anus the power of Islam.
    We know that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and all the other coward Americans have already surrendered, but it was fun surprise to see ISP from Texas bend over! What a day of glory for Islam. Perhaps on the day we implement Sharia law in the US you will not even put up a fight. We will just kill all christians and rape your women and then chop you into dog-meat. And you won’t even be allowed to lift a finger, because if you defend yourself, we will get the ACLU to accuse you of engaging in a hate crime.
    FUCK YOU AMERICA THE GREAT SATAN !!!

  • Mazuz Al-Faysal Mukrabahat

    I agree with Brother Idris above. Fine comments.
    Hey Americans, repeat after me:
    - I am American I am coward bitch.
    - I am American I am worthless shit.
    - I am American I am slave of Muslim power.
    - I am American I am garbage eating homo dick-sucking kaka.
    - I am American I am butt kisser of freedom fighters from Palestine and Mexico.
    - I am American I am saying “Good Morning President Hussein”
    - I am American I am saying “Communism is good. I am happy to be a slave.”
    - I am American I am worthless nobody owned by China.
    America, you are ZERO. Big empire of shit, Islam and George Soros fuck you down to your knees. America, we will piss on the grave of your George Washington, and you will pray to Allah, on your knees, five times a day!

  • Moyra Leibowitz-Kagan, PhD, Women’s Studies, Columbia U.

    As a progressive liberal, with a PhD in women’s studies I have studied Islam closely, and I have found that Islam is not just a religion of peace but it is also a religion that treats women really well. Don’t listen to the idiot conservatives in Fox news, listen to me and LEARN:
    - Wearing a burka gives you freedom! Yes, you don’t need to choose clothes to please lascivious men any more! You can just wear a burka, and you are done! Islam = feminism.
    - True, Muslims do burn women’s faces with acid, but these are skanks! I mean, come on! Who among us has not wished to do the same to Paris Hilton?
    - Christianity and Judaism are pasee. Islam is progressive and sexy! And progressive sex is what we all need more of.
    Islam must penetrate the US with its wisdom and teach its stupid hicks and gun-toting Christians that god and jesus are nothing, and that it is Islam with its thick firm throbbing ferocity that holds the key to the future. This because Islam is fundamentally progressive and forward thinking.
    And now it is your turn to thank me for teaching you something.

  • soetoro

    Mohammad was a bandwagon bandit, liar, thief, murderer, rapist, sex-maniac, polygamist, pedophile…. Yes, Mohammad was the greatest mother fcuker of all times  since 1,400 years ago.

    Who on earth wants to follow the teaching of this mother fcuker  of all times Mohammad?

    Yes! Only mother fcukers from the Arabic desert would follow that mother fcuker of all mother fcukers!

    All these mother fcukers should be kicked back to the barren Arabic desert and let the blazing sun burn them to hell!

  • Ferd Premium Saltine Berfle

    A masterpiece, OA. Do continue.

    LMAO.

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Report: Soros spent millions to ‘undermine’ judiciary<!– deck –>

    Campaign sought ‘commissions’ that avoided public input on candidates for judgeships

    Radical progressive billionaire George Soros has spent some $45 million in recent years on efforts to take away power from voters to select judges, a new report released today by the American Justice Partnership reveals. 
    The report by attorney Colleen Pero was introduced at an event held by the Heritage Foundation. It identified $45 million spent by Soros, who funds a large range of left-wing action groups, to “remake the judiciary and fundamentally change the way judges are selected in the United States.”
    “This movement to end citizen participation in state judicial elections has been moving swiftly and silently, below the radar of the citizens who would be impacted by Mr. Soros’ millions,” said Pero in a statement about her report, “and it was time to bring this effort to the public’s attention.”

  • ~~JustMe~~

    Report: Soros spent millions to ‘undermine’ judiciary
     
    Campaign sought ‘commissions’ that avoided public input on candidates for judgeships  
     
    Radical progressive billionaire George Soros has spent some $45 million in recent years on efforts to take away power from voters to select judges, a new report released today by the American Justice Partnership reveals.   
    The report by attorney Colleen Pero was introduced at an event held by the Heritage Foundation. It identified $45 million spent by Soros, who funds a large range of left-wing action groups, to “remake the judiciary and fundamentally change the way judges are selected in the United States.”  
    “This movement to end citizen participation in state judicial elections has been moving swiftly and silently, below the radar of the citizens who would be impacted by Mr. Soros’ millions,” said Pero in a statement about her report, “and it was time to bring this effort to the public’s attention.”  

  • TeakWoodKite

    soetoro, “not enraged” is not true….the force is expressed in many ways.

    If I brandish a fist, my oppenent thinks of knives. Now I understand that the inability to give NoQuarter without the use of violence is a difficult entrerprise.

    most Americans?

    Spock: He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

  • candymarl red bone cracker

    To burn or not to  burn?  That is the question.

    Whether ’tis nobler to pull out and drop a nuke on their tiny heads  in Afghanistan may make some ask this question.

    I say we err on the side of caution and wipe them out through legimate military means. No book burning required. 
    The guilt or innocence of the 9/11 victims was not considered.  Pregnant women and infants included. Fathers, sons, cousins, uncles and various relatives were not consulted.

    But let’s not talk about that. It would be nice if our so-called President, who will make a show of grief, on this 9/11 anniversary, could manage to mention that.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Madison said he would welcome “the Mohammedan” into his church.

    That is a religous man saying it. In todays world where possible for a muslim to enter a church in earnest, without malice would be a rare example of “multculturism”. Not happening. Peaceful? No.

    And a Christen enter a Mosque? Only two mosques in Europe are “open” to “non believers”.

    Theocratic political belief systems are incompatible with our Constitution. Period. No amount of “words” can change that reality.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Madison said he would welcome “the Mohammedan” into his church.  
     
    That is a religous man saying it. In todays world where it possible for a muslim to enter a church in earnest, without malice, would be a rare example of “multculturism”. Not happening. Peaceful? No.  
     
    And a Christen enter a Mosque? Only two mosques in Europe are “open” to “non believers”.  
     
    Theocratic political belief systems are incompatible with our Constitution. Period. No amount of “words” can change that reality.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Currently Ferd, they under the distinct delusion that their wallet is in my pocket.

    Say it ain’t so.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Katmoon, oowawa, caveman days.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Great read American Girl in Italy. Thanks. :)

  • CindyWhiteBaguettew/OliveOilforDipping

    Moyra—LOL!

  • Mazuz Al-Faysal Mukrabahat

    Hey Americans, repeat after me:

    - I am American I am coward bitch.
    - I am American I am worthless shit.
    - I am American I am slave of Muslim power.
    - I am American I am garbage eating homo dick-sucking kaka.
    - I am American I am butt kisser of freedom fighters from Palestine and Mexico.
    - I am American I am saying “Good Morning President Hussein”
    - I am American I am saying “Communism is good. I am happy to be a slave.”
    - I am American I am worthless nobody owned by China.
    - I am American I am coward CIA coward FBI coward NSA eating used toilet paper.
    - I am American I am murderer of innocent Palestinian and steal from the poor Mexican.
    - I am American I am eating dirty cock of Baldwin Brothers from age 5.
    - I am American I am fucking my wife that looks like Barbara Walters.
    - I am American I am gargling in the morning with the balls of Keith Olberman.
    - I am American I am BAG OF DUSH.
    - I am American I am learning Rachel Corrie big hero and saint and bow before her.
    - I am American I am kaka smell I am pig I am stupid I am infidel whore.
    - I am American I am suck cock of gay Barney Frank after gay Barney Frank fuck my ass.

    America, you are ZERO. Big empire of shit, Islam and George Soros fuck you down to your knees. America, we will piss on the grave of your George Washington, and you will pray to Allah, on your knees, five times a day!

    America you are SHIT! We are OBAMA UNITED – Islam, ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam, JStreet, Hollywood, Noam Chomsky, Cheryl Crow, …..and MATT DAMON! …..and BEN AFFLECK! …..and BARBARA STREISAND!

    WE WILL FUCK YOU AMERICA! We will fuck you America so deep Muslim cock will push your vocal cords and your ass hemorroyds out of your mouth.

    *** YOU WILL PRAY TO ALLAH !!!

  • Onofre’s arm

    It would have to be a group effort Harp. In fact, it would take a caste of thousands working within a giant wiry haired latex bag the size of a dirigible to be the Jackie character. It would probably just be easier to use CGI for Jackie’s part, but real rats could still be used as the supporting cast, and they’re far more agreeable than most other Hollywood types. 

  • sarainitaly

    Well…Isn’t that special. 

  • wodiej cracker dawg

    NQ should remove that post.

  • wodiej cracker dawg

    Great post Sara.  I agree.  Just because we have free speech doesn’t mean we should yell fire in a crowded movie theatre.  Radicals don’t need any provocation-they just plain do not like the US.  This man calls himself a minister? Hardly-a real Christian would not engage in such hateful behavior.

  • Mazuz Al-Faysal Mukrabahat

    Hey Americans, repeat after me:

    - I am American I am coward bitch.
    - I am American I am worthless shit.
    - I am American I am slave of Muslim power.
    - I am American I am garbage eating homo dick-sucking kaka.
    - I am American I am butt kisser of freedom fighters from Palestine and Mexico.
    - I am American I am saying “Good Morning President Hussein”
    - I am American I am saying “Communism is good. I am happy to be a slave.”
    - I am American I am worthless nobody owned by China.
    - I am American I am coward CIA coward FBI coward NSA eating used toilet paper.
    - I am American I am murderer of innocent Palestinian and steal from the poor Mexican.
    - I am American I am eating dirty cock of Baldwin Brothers from age 5.
    - I am American I am fucking my ugly wife that looks like Barbara Walters.
    - I am American I am gargling in the morning with the balls of Keith Olberman.
    - I am American I am BAG OF DUSH.
    - I am American I am learning Rachel Corrie big hero and saint and bow before her.
    - I am American I am kaka smell I am pig I am stupid I am infidel whore.
    - I am American I am suck cock of gay Barney Frank after gay Barney Frank fuck my ass.

    America, you are ZERO. Big empire of shit, Islam and George Soros fuck you down to your knees. America, we will piss on the grave of your George Washington, and you will pray to Allah, on your knees, five times a day!

    America you are SHIT! We are OBAMA UNITED – Islam, ACLU, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, Black Panthers, Louis Farrakhan and Nation of Islam, JStreet, Hollywood, Noam Chomsky, Cheryl Crow, …..and MATT DAMON! …..and BEN AFFLECK! …..and BARBARA STREISAND!

    WE WILL FUCK YOU AMERICA! We will fuck you America so deep Muslim cock will push your vocal cords and your ass hemorroyds out of your mouth.

    *** YOU WILL PRAY TO ALLAH !!!

  • Armymom

    Classy representation of your religion there Mazuzi.

    SWAT  Yawn…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Armymom

    Thank you Moyra for teaching me that I want no part of you or your religion.

    Swat,   yawn……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • TeakWoodKite

    ? Huh?