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		<title>By: JEP</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12021</link>
		<dc:creator>JEP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;bob woodward works for Naval Inteligence, ie, woody has a security clearance...&quot;

Does a security clearance give someone like Woodward &quot;need to know&quot; status? 

At least Woodward did not take the bait, like Novak, and break the law that was already broken by Armitage.

But obviously, Woodward represents one more journalist who the White House considered a tool. Maybe he can live with that for now, but history will not be kind to him if he refuses to come clean.

But unless I&#039;m mistaken, there are thousands of people with clearances like Woody&#039;s who would never be considered in the &quot;need to know&quot; loop.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bob woodward works for Naval Inteligence, ie, woody has a security clearance&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Does a security clearance give someone like Woodward &#8220;need to know&#8221; status? </p>
<p>At least Woodward did not take the bait, like Novak, and break the law that was already broken by Armitage.</p>
<p>But obviously, Woodward represents one more journalist who the White House considered a tool. Maybe he can live with that for now, but history will not be kind to him if he refuses to come clean.</p>
<p>But unless I&#8217;m mistaken, there are thousands of people with clearances like Woody&#8217;s who would never be considered in the &#8220;need to know&#8221; loop.</p>
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		<title>By: ybnormal</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12020</link>
		<dc:creator>ybnormal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- freepatriot &quot;bob woodward works for Naval Inteligence&quot;

It&#039;s known that he DID, and SPECULATED (by some) that he STILL DOES; at least as far as I can find in public information.  Do you have actual confirmation (as opposed to circumstantial speculation) you want to share?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- freepatriot &#8220;bob woodward works for Naval Inteligence&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s known that he DID, and SPECULATED (by some) that he STILL DOES; at least as far as I can find in public information.  Do you have actual confirmation (as opposed to circumstantial speculation) you want to share?</p>
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		<title>By: TJM</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12019</link>
		<dc:creator>TJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only did Justice agree to investigate (as they had to), but Gonzalez was the AG and got away from the issue. Jeez these people have no shame. At all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only did Justice agree to investigate (as they had to), but Gonzalez was the AG and got away from the issue. Jeez these people have no shame. At all.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12018</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why wasn&#039;t Armatige prosecuted ???

here&#039;s a clue

Armatige told bob woodward

bob woodward works for Naval Inteligence, ie, woody has a security clearance

bet ya didn&#039;t know that little tidbit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why wasn&#8217;t Armatige prosecuted ???</p>
<p>here&#8217;s a clue</p>
<p>Armatige told bob woodward</p>
<p>bob woodward works for Naval Inteligence, ie, woody has a security clearance</p>
<p>bet ya didn&#8217;t know that little tidbit</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12017</link>
		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neil,

i disagree with you about toensing not knowing better. she does know better. she&#039;s an out and out liar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neil,</p>
<p>i disagree with you about toensing not knowing better. she does know better. she&#8217;s an out and out liar.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12016</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t know why Fitzgerald has not charged Armitage but we do know that Libby&#039;s lying to obstruct justice in the CIA leak case. We also know the prosecutor believes the purpose of Libby&#039;s lies is to protect VP Dick Cheney who was the evil mastermind behind the leak. If Libby and Armitage flip and Cheney gets indicted then all the questions will be answered. 

Toensing&#039;s Op-Ed in the WaPo is way out of line for a practicing attorney.  She knows perjury is a crime. She also knows charging it can be a very effective way to get a knowledgable witness to tell the truth.  On one count, Toensing is diseneguous in her assertion that Libby shouldn&#039;t be charged with perjury because he hasn&#039;t been charged with leaking.  That&#039;s bullsh*t and she knows it.  If she were counsel for the defense she get slapped with a jury tamering charge.  

Her second assertion, that Plame was not covert, is also not true.  We&#039;ve heard this right-wing excuse for years.  Why would the CIA refer this to Justice if she were not covert?  Why would Justice investigate it?  Why would the AG refer it to special counsel, rather than close the investigation?   The highest law informcement officials in the country were convinced that the leaking of Plame&#039;s identity was likely to be a crime of the highest order.  But Toensing knows better?  No, she doesn&#039;t.  She thinks otherwise but she&#039;s shilling.  That&#039;s shameful for an officer of the court.  

I find it interesting that she abuses her credibility as an attorney to shill for a corrupt VP in the court of public opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#8217;t know why Fitzgerald has not charged Armitage but we do know that Libby&#8217;s lying to obstruct justice in the CIA leak case. We also know the prosecutor believes the purpose of Libby&#8217;s lies is to protect VP Dick Cheney who was the evil mastermind behind the leak. If Libby and Armitage flip and Cheney gets indicted then all the questions will be answered. </p>
<p>Toensing&#8217;s Op-Ed in the WaPo is way out of line for a practicing attorney.  She knows perjury is a crime. She also knows charging it can be a very effective way to get a knowledgable witness to tell the truth.  On one count, Toensing is diseneguous in her assertion that Libby shouldn&#8217;t be charged with perjury because he hasn&#8217;t been charged with leaking.  That&#8217;s bullsh*t and she knows it.  If she were counsel for the defense she get slapped with a jury tamering charge.  </p>
<p>Her second assertion, that Plame was not covert, is also not true.  We&#8217;ve heard this right-wing excuse for years.  Why would the CIA refer this to Justice if she were not covert?  Why would Justice investigate it?  Why would the AG refer it to special counsel, rather than close the investigation?   The highest law informcement officials in the country were convinced that the leaking of Plame&#8217;s identity was likely to be a crime of the highest order.  But Toensing knows better?  No, she doesn&#8217;t.  She thinks otherwise but she&#8217;s shilling.  That&#8217;s shameful for an officer of the court.  </p>
<p>I find it interesting that she abuses her credibility as an attorney to shill for a corrupt VP in the court of public opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12015</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always believed that only a woman could have had the idea of attacking a guy&#039;s wife in a political argument (though I&#039;ve decided Rove might also) - Matalin and Toensing seem to me to be the people who did this for the WH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always believed that only a woman could have had the idea of attacking a guy&#8217;s wife in a political argument (though I&#8217;ve decided Rove might also) &#8211; Matalin and Toensing seem to me to be the people who did this for the WH.</p>
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		<title>By: oddball</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12014</link>
		<dc:creator>oddball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CH Truth,
I suggest you do fact ch (checking) before you defend the indefensible.

Are you a patriot or a pawn.

Jim Marcinkowski

CIA Agent
Prosecutor
Candidate for Congress (hopefully again)

I just don&#039;t get how you can give this regime respect.

Thugs 
Criminals
Liars

The Mafia doesn&#039;t have squat on these guys.

One more question CH. Where in the Constitution is it said that the Executive Branch of the United States can use all resources available to engage in a propaganda campaign against its own citizens.

Goering would be proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH Truth,<br />
I suggest you do fact ch (checking) before you defend the indefensible.</p>
<p>Are you a patriot or a pawn.</p>
<p>Jim Marcinkowski</p>
<p>CIA Agent<br />
Prosecutor<br />
Candidate for Congress (hopefully again)</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get how you can give this regime respect.</p>
<p>Thugs<br />
Criminals<br />
Liars</p>
<p>The Mafia doesn&#8217;t have squat on these guys.</p>
<p>One more question CH. Where in the Constitution is it said that the Executive Branch of the United States can use all resources available to engage in a propaganda campaign against its own citizens.</p>
<p>Goering would be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: dalloway</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12013</link>
		<dc:creator>dalloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the underlying crime in the Clinton impeachment was... oral sex outside marriage?  But wasn&#039;t Vicky one of those screaming for Clinton&#039;s head? Geez, it ain&#039;t the heat, it&#039;s the hypocrisy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the underlying crime in the Clinton impeachment was&#8230; oral sex outside marriage?  But wasn&#8217;t Vicky one of those screaming for Clinton&#8217;s head? Geez, it ain&#8217;t the heat, it&#8217;s the hypocrisy!</p>
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		<title>By: taters</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12012</link>
		<dc:creator>taters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>addendum - And apparently unbeknownst to our first commenter - some of that is in Jim&#039;s first sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>addendum &#8211; And apparently unbeknownst to our first commenter &#8211; some of that is in Jim&#8217;s first sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: taters</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12011</link>
		<dc:creator>taters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point and clarification, Phoenix Woman. Jim is also a Navy vet,  worked for the FBI and a prosecutor. And if I may add, highly regarded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point and clarification, Phoenix Woman. Jim is also a Navy vet,  worked for the FBI and a prosecutor. And if I may add, highly regarded.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12010</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrrgh.  And I go and butcher Jim&#039;s last name -- it&#039;s &quot;Marcinkowski&quot;, dammit!  Sorry, Jim!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrrgh.  And I go and butcher Jim&#8217;s last name &#8212; it&#8217;s &#8220;Marcinkowski&#8221;, dammit!  Sorry, Jim!</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12009</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CH Truth:  Dick Armitage is a big fat red herring.  But you knew that.  Just as you knew that Jim Marcinowski is himself a retired CIA agent, and not just a mere &quot;blogger&quot;.

Now run along and collect your Leadership Institute pay check like a good disruptor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH Truth:  Dick Armitage is a big fat red herring.  But you knew that.  Just as you knew that Jim Marcinowski is himself a retired CIA agent, and not just a mere &#8220;blogger&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now run along and collect your Leadership Institute pay check like a good disruptor.</p>
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		<title>By: anwaya</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12008</link>
		<dc:creator>anwaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CH Truth:

&quot;If she really was designated as a &#039;covert&#039; agent... and leaking her identity really was a criminal act...

&quot;Then why was Dick Armitage not prosecuted? Why would Fitzgerald give immunity to Ari Fleischer?&quot;

I am so glad you asked, CH, because the answer is quite clear: Mr. Fitzgerald is not finished yet.

The counterargument to the (possily retroactive) &quot;insta-declassification&quot; of Valerie P&#039;s identity (as Larry knew her at the CIA) will be greatly helped by the arguments made in Libby&#039;s trial, and maybe Libby will cut a deal in exchange for Bigtime&#039;s head...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CH Truth:</p>
<p>&#8220;If she really was designated as a &#8216;covert&#8217; agent&#8230; and leaking her identity really was a criminal act&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Then why was Dick Armitage not prosecuted? Why would Fitzgerald give immunity to Ari Fleischer?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am so glad you asked, CH, because the answer is quite clear: Mr. Fitzgerald is not finished yet.</p>
<p>The counterargument to the (possily retroactive) &#8220;insta-declassification&#8221; of Valerie P&#8217;s identity (as Larry knew her at the CIA) will be greatly helped by the arguments made in Libby&#8217;s trial, and maybe Libby will cut a deal in exchange for Bigtime&#8217;s head&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/501/victorias-secret/#comment-12007</link>
		<dc:creator>leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Robert, I don&#039;t doubt that Bush Sr. said that about the Neocons. But Prescott Bush, Bush Sr&#039;s father, did business with the Nazis during WWII. Not to mention that not all the Neocons are Jewish, such as Cheney, and some are Evangelist, such as Bush, who may believe in Armageddon, which requires everybody but Christians to die for the 2nd coming to occur. Not to downplay the similarities between the Bushies and Israel&#039;s Likud party. But if Israel believes the Bushies are their friends....?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Robert, I don&#8217;t doubt that Bush Sr. said that about the Neocons. But Prescott Bush, Bush Sr&#8217;s father, did business with the Nazis during WWII. Not to mention that not all the Neocons are Jewish, such as Cheney, and some are Evangelist, such as Bush, who may believe in Armageddon, which requires everybody but Christians to die for the 2nd coming to occur. Not to downplay the similarities between the Bushies and Israel&#8217;s Likud party. But if Israel believes the Bushies are their friends&#8230;.?!</p>
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