Oh hell. I bet most of you are not drinking tea about now. Nor need you be, especially since it IS Friday night and that means you can sleep in tomorrow, unless you have little hungry pests who want mommy and/or daddy to fix them breakfast or you have a dog who needs you to open the door and give doggie quick relief from holding it all night long or you are a golfer who needed to take that early tee time (and that kind of tee shouldn’t be accompanied by tea, only by Bloody Marys). So, um, let’s make our first question of the night: How late will you sleep in tomorrow and if not, why not? I want a good reason why you would not take advantage of one day that you are allowed to sleep in.

Next up: How would you rebut the concluding paragraph of Peggy Drexler’s essay at Huffington Post titled with a question: Women of the Tea Party: Who Are You, and What Do You Want?:

So my question to the women of the Tea Party is this. If you take back America from the forces of big government, big spending and big taxes, do you plan to share it with the teenage girl who is unprepared to raise a child, with the gay couple who want the simple right to marry, and with families who may not fit your own definitions?

Now let’s drift back up to the beginning of Drexler’s post, full of more questions — and I’ve added a POLL below for you to take:

Here’s Drexler’s first question, in her first paragraph:

There’s no doubt that women are good for the Tea Party. But is the Tea Party good for women?

I can’t recall anyone else ever asking that question before. So what do you think? Do you believe that the Tea Party movement IS good for women? And if so, why?

Then Drexler brings up some interesting data on the make-up of the Tea Party movement:

[C]ontrary to the early image of a fraternity of angry white men, women are the heart of the movement. Thinking began to change with the March release of the Quinnipiac University poll that revealed that 55 percent of those identifying themselves as members of the Tea Party are female.

It is also now clear that women have a seat at the grownups’ table. Writing in Slate, Hanna Rosin points out that, to the extent the movement has leaders, it is dominated by women. One example: of the eight Board members of the influential Tea Party Patriots, six are women.

Who knew??? Women are the majority of the membership in the Tea Party movement. But, have these women ever asked themselves what’s in it for them, as women, or are they mostly evangelicals and arch-conservatives?

Drexler then points to the issues that the Tea Party has avoided:

Unfortunately, good and bad, [views pertaining especially to women] are hotly subjective when it comes to issues like choice, gay marriage and single parenthood.

Organizers studiously stayed away from such division. Reporting on last weekend’s Washington D.C. Tea Party event for Politico, James Hohmann and Kenneth P. Vogel noted a determined lack of attention to social issues — particularly those embraced by the Christian right.

Look around you. Look at the writers for NoQuarter. Look at the readers of NoQuarter. Ask yourselves just how many of you there are who are OPPOSED to (1) choice, (2) gay marriage, and (3) single parenthood.


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Drexler gets into details of the kind of people attracted to the Tea Party. You can read that section at HuffPo since it’s distasteful for me to quote too much of Drexler’s article. But I will include this last quote that, studies have shown, describe the kind of people who are TRULY attracted to the Tea Party:

[T]here aren’t many coming out of this base who will champion issues like gay marriage, choice, and single parent families. Gay marriage and choice are clearly high on Sarah Palin’s list of American evils. Single parent families get a pass for obvious reasons. But as Colleen Campbell quotes her speeches in a recent St. Louis Post-Dispatch editorial — single mothers are “strong enough and smart enough” … to “handle an unplanned pregnancy”, while continuing to pursue education and a career. In other words: when the going gets tough, the tough keep the baby. ….

if you answered YES to any of the above three polls — yet find yourself frequently referring to yourself as a Tea Party supporter — then my hunch is that you haven’t asked yourself what it really means to be a Tea Party supporter in how the movement addresses women’s issues.

Oh hell yes! I’d love to scream to the rooftops that I support the Tea Party, in good part because I’m just so damn pissed off at politics in this country that I’d love to join up with a bunch of people who come across as fearless renegades.

Who doesn’t want to be counted among the fearless renegades these days? It is so “in” right now!

But. Are we really comfortable with aligning ourselves with people who have such conservative, evangelical-based viewpoints? Are we really?

Then there’s another question: Is there any reason that we HAVE to align ourselves with the Tea Party? Can’t we simply stick with describing ourselves as “INDEPENDENTS”?

To be an Independent voter allows for flexibility on ALL issues.

These are just some of my thoughts and my concerns. Your turn … and, yes, this is an open thread so bring up anything on your mind.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    And yes, this is what I call Sarah’s choice.

  • Annie Soda Cracker

    Actually Sarah said she never had any ambiguity about whether to keep her pregnancy or not.  Abortion was not even a question.  She said she instantly felt what other women are confronted with under the same circumstances and, therefore, felt empathy for them.

  • EllenD

    You raise important issues, Diana.
    I think a key thing regarding the college parties etc. is to teach your children that it is OK to be unpopular. It’s OK to be an outsider. You don’t have to follow the crowd. You can say “Thanks, but no thanks”. And if they think you are a square, so what? Teach them it is the smart people who go their own way and the less-than-smart that unthinkingly follow the crowd.

  • 5kidsnadog

    You took the words right out of my mouth, Armymom!

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    Breeze, and Barry Soetoro, aka Barack Obama (vs2.0), was at the forefront of these tactics, learning them from his mother/Grand Parents and working inn Project Vote, ACORN’s Voter drive ARM.

    Isn’t that coincidental (NOT). 2010 is not longer GOTV, it’s GOTW (Get Out The Way) 🙂

  • kenoshamarge

    I have. I won’t go back and find the comments but they both make if very plain that they don’t much like or agree with  most conservatives. Both are willing to believe most anything said about a conservative without any proof but will fight to the death for some proof being offered about someone they like. It is what it is and that’s their right. I just was making an observation that I had noticed serveral/many times before. 

    The term “icky religious freaks” was mine and I did not mean to imply that anyone ever said those words except me. I was referring more to an attitude. Sorry if it wasn’t plain.

  • BBF
  • creeper

    Denise and Geoff, I swear to you that the site I linked to is a legitimate Democratic Party site.  Hard to believe, huh?

  • Docelder

    But it is ony fraud if attorney generals in the states say it’s fraud. Good kluck with that.

  • Docelder

    Whatever, democrats will never vote for somebody who reads the bible or who is for fiscal responsibility. Democrats are like the Taliban. There are no moderate democrats. Barky is living proof of that. Barky will get two terms and we will get a worldwide global depression the likes of which we have never seen. Move to the sticks, buy an acreage and plant a big garden. Because the koolaid is like fine wine to democrats.

  • Docelder

    But that is her. She is one person who is completely entitled to her own personal views. Everybody else in the TEA party also has their own views. Fiscal responsibility is part of the glue that binds these individual people together. Why is that so hard? Because Palin is for something, or  Angle, or O’Donnell doesn’t mean all TEA people are exactly the same. Good lord. We might as well coronate Barky for life. We can’t agree to replace his dumb ass so he will just be re-elected.

  • I’m a Dr Kracker 3 Seeded Linda too

    You know, too bad Democrats are NOT Pro Choice.  I never seem to find one.  I only find Pro Abortion.  They are so intolerant to anyone who doesn’t want abortions.  There’s no choice there.

    Palin is more “prochoice” than Democrats.  She talked about having to think about an abortion or not when she found out her baby would have Down Syndrome.  SHE CHOSE to Keep him.  Democrats actually mocked that.

    I find I don’t seem to fit with either political party mold.

    And thankfully, most of my friends have turned to Inde’s.  But I am tired of the Democrats WEDGE issues.  They don’t do anything about them but use them to scare voters who support those preferences.

  • AbigailAdams

    I know this will seem trivial in the big scheme of things, but has anyone seen the new jeans this year for adolescent teens?  They’re so low in the front they barely cover the pubic area and so low in the back that, if the girl is wearing a shirt that just meets the top of the jeans, about 2″ of her butt crack shows when she bends over slightly.  And these were in her size.  And I thought they were too low rise last year.

  • Geoff C.. The Saltine

    creeper’ if that is their real web site WOW! They should have put up the scene from Mars Attacks, a circle is the international sign of the dounut, thats us the dims.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelut Nut Thin Cracker

    Totally agree, Ellen D.  Learned that lesson, though the boys had never shown interest in girls much before.  My second son had to listen to things, but he finally said that he knew it all anyway.  Different boy–probably more like you than like your sister.

     But wouldn’t it be nice also if colleges weren’t such totally decadent places. The drinking parties, the rampant sex parties.  I know kids can attend and not participate in that sort of activity, and the boys I wrote about didn’t participate.  But still he was unprepared for a girl who seemed so nice but who used her sexuality to fit her own agenda.  Neither my boy nor his friend had a father around to talke with.  I thought I had not shielded my son from the facts of life in any way–never kept him from reading or watching things and never shied from talking with him about anything he seemed to want to talk about.  It’s easy to blame parents–but it’s also as important to blame the society that looks the other way about certain behaviors or even seems to accept them as o.k.

    I do remember the days the administrators thought of themselves as in loco parentis.  It was that way even in my day.

    My point is still that our reality now is such that these issues have become such hotbet issues.  We get angry about the totally ridiculous values of the extremely fundamental Muslims in regard to sex.  From their standpoint we probably do seem like Satanists.  I would just like a slight withdrawal from the results of the sexual revolution–in which I never participated.  I would like a return a little to the feeling that having sex should be special, almost spiritual.

    There will always be those issues surrounding rape and incest and women’s health if endangered by pregnancy–if that were all we were dealing with, the issues could be more easily solved.

    I am still of a mind that many of the women of the Tea Party who are more evangelical or fundamental in their Christian beliefs are thinking about the impact of those issues on their children–boys and girls.  If the more mainstream downtown churches would get over their fear of offending or of losing parishioners, they should also clarify their beliefs about abortion and single parenthood and gay marriage.  There should be a discussion.  And especially in communities like the ones those people who show up of the Maury or Wilko or whatever shows live in someone should be speaking up about traditional values a lot more. 

    I myself prefer not to support or pay for their behaviors—abortion as birth control, many children born out of wedlock to mothers who often have children each with different fathers.  Social Services paying for all this in some form or another but not speaking out about values. 

    These issues ARE important to our country, to men as well as to women. 

  • AbigailAdams

    Can’t say for sure, but it sounds just like a big load of crap to me. 

  • TeakWoodKite

    O’Donnell now has $2.5 million.

    oh shite!
    In how many days? Never mind that a corporation is to be considered a “person”, If the majority is grassroots $, it should be a big azz wake up call to the Rebuplicrats…

    Such a small state, such a large amount of money.

    …off to find the donor lists.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Yes it is, Noogan. My concern is that it is corporate blood , more than 5 dollars and a post card….  
    The bagmen in both parties most have had to check their watches to see what time it was…The Rolex from hell….

  • TeakWoodKite

    Yes it is, Noogan. My concern is that it is corporate blood , more than 5 dollars and a post card….

    The bagmen in both parties most have had to check there watches to see what time it was…The Rolex from hell….

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  • Denise

    Is the site you linked to a joke? The comments are hilarious!

  • Diana L. C. Hazelut Nut Thin Cracker

    Wow–better not happen here.  That WILL cause me to demonstrate loudly.

  • EllenD

    Issues of abortion, single parenthood, and gay marriage affect males as well as females
    Yes, Diana, and I think they should be discussed in the home if you want to present your values. I don’t think you can send kids to college as “innocents”.

    My mother never told me or my sister about sex. It was OK with me because I am a fast learner but disastrous for my innocent sister.
    I fervently believe in birth control pills and condoms to avoid mistakes and as a way to lower the number of abortions. Knowledge is the key.

  • Breeze

    Massive, nationwide vote fraud is
    the among the most rotten fruit
    of ACORN-type activism

    Washington Examiner,
    by Editorial Staff   

    Original Article


    Every two years for the past decade and more, reports of voter fraud have been on the increase during election campaigns around the country. That is not coincidental. Since passage in 1993 of the National Voter Registration Act – aka “Motor Voter” – by the Democratic Congress that led to the 1994 GOP takeover, ACORN and a bunch of other radical liberal activists groups, many financed by George Soros, have been steadily growing their ability to increase vote counts for their candidates by stuffing ballot boxes with illegal votes on election day.

  • Yttik

    You know Bronwyn, I can’t give you yes and no answers to your poll questions. I don’t view issues as black and white anymore. That’s what happened to me when I finally let go of the Dem party.

    Am I pro-choice, well what exactly does that mean these days? Is that the Stupak amendment, is that a question above my pay grade, should I model my answer after the prolife Tim kaine, head of the DNC?? Do I think that women’s rights begin and end with abortion and that abortion is a sign of bodily autonomy and reproductive freedom? Hell no, because I think the real crime is causing women and girls to have  unwanted pregnancies in the first place. WTH is wrong with us as a culture that women’s bodies are so disrespected that we go right on impregnating them whether they want it or not? So you see, nothing is cut and dry anymore.

  • Breeze

    We actually face a triple threat.

    Newt forgot to mention the media.

  • Breeze

    Obama rallies black supporters
    at lawmakers’ gala

    by Mark S. Smith   

    Original Article


    Washington – President Barack Obama is hoping that black voters don’t stand on the sidelines when Democrats need all the election help they can get this year. With polls showing his party facing a wide “enthusiasm gap” with the GOP, Obama sought to rally an important constituency in a speech at the annual awards banquet of the Congressional Black Caucus on Saturday night.

    (Snip) For Obama, the caucus dinner at the Washington Convention Center capped a week of concerted outreach to minority supporters, a traditional wellspring of Democratic strength.

  • Breeze

    Britain goes halal… but
    no-one tells the public:
    How famous institutions serve
    ritually slaughtered meat
    with no warning

    Daily Mail [UK],
    by Simon Mcgee
    & Martin Delgado   

    Original Article


    Some of Britain’s most revered institutions are serving up halal meat to diners – without their knowledge.A Mail on Sunday investigation – which will alarm anyone concerned about animal cruelty – has revealed that schools, hospitals, pubs and famous sporting venues such as Ascot and Twickenham are controversially serving up meat slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law to unwitting members of the public.

    (Snip)Even Britain’s biggest hotel and restaurant group Whitbread, which owns the Beefeater and Brewers Fayre chains, among many others, has admitted that more than three-quarters of its poultry is halal.

  • Breeze

    Helen Thomas receiving lifetime
    achievement award from CAIR

    The Hill [DC],
    by Bridget Johnson   

    Original Article


    The longtime White House correspondent who resigned from Hearst newspaper in June in the wake of comments she made about Israel will receive a lifetime achievement award from the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

    CAIR is honoring Thomas, who is of Lebanese descent and now 90 years old, at its Leadership Conference and 16th Annual Fundraising Banquet on Oct. 9 in Arlington, Va. Speakers will also include Oxford Islamic studies scholar Tariq…. Ramadan.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelut Nut Thin Cracker

    And, yes, we all think about the girl.  Mostly we’re afraid she will go away to college someday and come home pregnant.

    But my son’s friend keeps the many photo albums of their visits in case she ever looks him up.  He and his mother have many, many, many jars of pennies.  They’ve collected them since they first found out about her.  Each time they find a penny, they think of her and put it in a jar.  They hope some day to give them to her.

  • Diana L. C. Hazelut Nut Thin Cracker


    You are not getting the point of my story.  First, this young man was in love with this girl.  It was his first real girlfriend.  (My son and he did not date in high school).  And he was devastated when she left college suddenly without a word to him.  And how many times do we feel sorry for young girls who get pregnant because they’re in love with the wrong boy?

    My point was that these issues don’t affect JUST girls.  This boy was truly affected.  He did NOT ever get another girl pregnant and didn’t get married until very late because of this whole trauma and his shame over it.  It is largely why my own son married a young woman from Turkey who waited until marriage to have sex. 

    My point was about traditional values and that the issues of abortion and single parenthood are issues that are so prevalent now because of a veering from traditional values.  In my opinion, people who are gay and wanting to marry are people who want to participate in traditional values.

    Of course there are boys who don’t take responsibility for their own fertility–and who are proud of all their many “baby mammas.”  I catch glimpses of them of the afternoon sleazy t.v. shows, just as I catch glimpses of many young women who had to have KNOWN these young men were this way and still procreated with them.  NO TRADITIONAL VALUES.

    My son’s friend went to college an innocent and was suddenly immersed in a “culture” of sex before marriage.  His mother even felt guilty because she had raised him as the kind of innocent kid he was.

    The young woman in his case was the manipulator.  She told Social Services she had to leave him because he was a drug addict–a lie.  After several supervised visits, they realized it was a lie and let him take the little girls around town on his visits, but he was prohibited from having her visit him at his home many miles away because the mother had performed crocodile tears about his possibly abducting the girl–though he had never threatened such a thing, nor would he have done that.

    It got to the point that he was afraid to say much of anything that the girl might repeat to the mother and use as reason to cause the visits to cease.

    He contacted lawyers who ALL told him that his having never been married to the mother totally worked agains him with Social Services and the courts.  He would never get custody or better visitation rights unless he quit school, moved to that little town where his prospects were terribly limited.  The only other way he could gain them was if the mother became totally unfit.  She was just a manipulator who wanted to return to her town and who eventually married a home town man. 

    Again, my point is that traditional values are important and should not be shunned by the women’s organizations.  Issues of abortion, single parenthood, and gay marriage affect males as well as females and my belief is that they have arisen because of our turning so far away from traditional values.  So I am fine if the Tea Party movement also pushes traditional values.

  • Breeze

    Gingrich declares dual threat of
    terrorists and Dem establishment

    by Alexander Mooney   

    Original Article


    Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich repeatedly brought social conservatives to their feet Saturday with an impassioned address in which he warned that America faces a dual threat from the Democratic establishment on the one hand and Islamic terrorists on the other. “We are at a point where our establishment is sliding into policies of such disastrous impact that they will in fact fundamentally challenge the survival of America as we know it,” said Gingrich during his speech to the fifth annual Values Voter Summit in Washington, DC.

  • Noogan

    AMAZING. That’s great news.  😀

  • Noogan

    Wow. That’s a huge amount. Yes, I believe it does prove that THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. 


  • Noogan

    I would LOVE to see Barney Frank get tossed out on his ear. 

  • Noogan

    It’s the political parties that are the problem Bronwyn, not the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party supporters are sick of the political parties, and so am I. That’s why I love what they’re doing. They are taking on both parties and they are beating the pants off of them.

    Political parties are the controllers of all candidates; they control what they can say from Washington DC. That’s why, even representatives, from districts which are very conservative, or very liberal, have such a hard time; they are forced by the parties to represent the DNC or the RNC–INSTEAD OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS. 

    It’s the antithesis of representative democratic government; and it has to END. 

  • Noogan

    I think there are plenty of “values voters” on the left, too. They love to impose THEIR values on everyone. Take New York City, for instance. They’re decreeing NOW that the entire city is a NO SMOKING ZONE. Not outside. Not in parks. Not on the street. Not anywhere, but in your own home. And, in some parts of this country, they’ve gone so far as to decree you can’t smoke in your own home! 

    Remember the KELO ruling by Scotus? 

    I’m a values voter, and here’s my value: Stay out of my business. Stop telling me what to eat; stop telling me what to drink. Stop stealing my private property for your own profit. Get out of my fucking business. 

    If you want to criticize someone for reveling in culture wars, I suggest you take a look at the power-drunk clowns tossing around gigantic bills that “control the people” right down to the menus at fast-food restaurants.  

    Just wait until they start rolling out the class-war arguments for higher taxes to sustain their frenzied spending.  That will be some serious revelry.

  • getfitnow
  • PssttCmere

    Tough lesson…

    “Say What You Will…It Feels So Good”


    ” how many are former Hillary supporters”

    Quite a few, I suspect.  I was one.


    In all good conscience, since the majority of Democrats rubber-stamped Obama’s agenda, I cannot back any Democrat in 2010.  It seemed to me that there were no moderate Democrats, so to speak.

  • FLDemFem

    His donations to that church were for either services rendered for whatever behind the scenes criminal activity were going on or for getting him elected…..  <——my point exactly.

  • EllenD

    I suspect the bottom line is that these are “conservatives” and that’s a step too far for you to go. You may not “like” Oblahblah but you just can’t see yourself supporting a conservative group. All those icky religious freaks and all. 
    I’m not familiar enough with your posts to so perhaps I shouldn’t have said that. But I sure am familiar enough with the 2 “likes” on your post to know it’s true of them. 

    Marge, I have never seen rosa or peggy sue say anything like what you are attributing to them.

  • EllenD

    I believe you, cat. I am seeing the tea party raising the same emotions as Obomamania did and I don’t find it appealing in this case either.
    “What! You”re not a believer? What’s wrong with you???!!!”

    As Katmoon said on another post “The cheese stands alone.” Guess I’m a cheese too. Cheddar.

  • AbigailAdams

    Diana — this is a very sad story — but from my view, mostly for the child.  And I understand the poor man’s plight.  But where is the responsibility the young lad had when he decided he’d take some girl’s word for her fertility.  That was his first mistake (maybe second) and second (maybe third) was thinking he didn’t have responsibility for his own fertility.  So who has to live with all these mistakes?  The kid(s).