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Post-Debate Open Thread

It’ll be fascinating to see what the “talking heads” have to say about the performances of Senators McCain and Obama tonight. Share what you hear. Say what you think.

And I hope a couple hardy souls listen in on MSNBC’s post-debate show. It might be better since, this time, the “neutral” host David Gregory will be between Olbermann and Matthews.

  • Bob

    Obama did better than I thought he would, but McCain also did better than I thought. All in all, McCain was more upbeat and positive. Looked and felt more presidential than Obama.

    • KarenG

      Senator Obama always seems to look like such a angry
      man and he rarely smiles. Hillary and McCain just
      always seem like more upbeat positive people.

      • mcpalin hill

        Karen — I think the reason that Hillary and McCain seem more positive is that they know who they are — Obama is always pretending to be something that he isn’t.

        • Amy Crunch

          Yeah that’s right. I do get a feel for JFK – and that’s the same situation, innit?

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

            Obama is an actor, and little else. And tonight, he over-acted, as he is prone to do.

            I did up two quick videos (total length around 12:00) of my reaction to the McCain-Obama debate, for those who would like to listen/watch. It’s just audio with a back screen shot of a still photo of myself, for identification purposes.

            McCain won the debte, that is indisputable. Obama handled himself pretty well, but it was the Arizona senator’s night -

            Part 1:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmXnK2JDZg

            Part 2:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YXtnkF286w

            • Tyrione

              Every time the man plasters a large smile on his face, followed by a stutter it’s the cue that the man is lost, angry and looking for a means to dodge.

              The baffle them with bullshit was on full blast when trying to get a straight answer from Obama.

              “In light of our economy’s current condition what part of your platform Senators will you hold off on if elected.”

              “Senator Obama?”

              Not 2 minutes of to the point, but 6 minutes of end-around, baffle with bullshit side steps that resulted in such illuminating comments that “certain priorities will have to be made and not all of my platform can be implemented right away.” (not even actually that clear as I summarized.)

              Not: Health care will have to take a back seat, infrastructure must come first for job creation and and streamlining the military.

              We got the usual alternative energy aims for 10 years after the start of my presidency garbage.

              Hello folks! We have the technology now. We need the distribution system–infrastructure jobs have to build it.

              McCain didn’t hesitate to eliminate Ethanol Subsidies. The right call! Cost in > Value out is a deficit solution.

              I can go on but I presume you all can separate the solutions from crowd control rhetoric.

      • Amy Crunch

        Obama NEVER smiles. Nowhere. He only GRINS. This evening he made sure to make it a really TOOTHY grin. Looks like Axelrod coaching.

        • No Obama for me

          Amy, Obama also gets this white gooky stuff all over his mouth after he talks for awhile.

          He did it last night and he also did it in the Bill O’Reilly interview.

          How gross!!!!!!!!!!!

          • rubyrubyruby

            white gooky stuff? Maybe he is still doing Coke?

      • apishapa

        McCain must have called Obama “naive” a hundred times. I’ll bet Barry was really getting pissed.

        I got tired of Obama going on about “20th century thinking” like that was a century ago. But, McCain more than made up for it by takling to Obama like he was a child.

        • destardi

          Hah..I LOVED the way McCain kept putting uhbama on defense.

          • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

            Did you see the new McCain Video?

            Classical Values

            Obama says McCain was right.

        • Carolyn Mann

          Did you notice the way Obama kept raising his hand to speak as McCain slammed him again and again on point after point. Made Obama look like a kid trying to get the teacher’s attention.

          • Cham

            I also caught Obama looking admirably at McCain several times.

            • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

              he’s just developing a taste for older men since the younger ones like Larry Sinclair (at the time) keep “kissing and telling”

            • Objective

              Obama RESPECTFULLY looked at McCain when he addressed him. Which he also did by name. McCain on the otherhand NEVER looked at Obama once. What’s the saying about not being able to look a person in the eye when speaking to them!

        • Gina

          McCain, I think, made a mistake constantly stating that Obama “doesn’t understand.” It seemed insulting at times, and the thing to remember here is that Obama is leading in polls. More people think Obama DOES understand. Obama also gave very lengthy, fluent, detailed responses that made him appear knowledgable on issues, not that he “doesn’t understand.” Using “he doesn’t understand” as a criticism seemed like a crutch and, at times, came off like an old man lecturing people about not being as wise as him.

          • Butter

            The people I talked to said that even though O was eloquent and loquacious, he isn’t grounded and so he doesn’t have that quality. I heard McCain’s “You don’t understand” to mean that O doesn’t have the experience such that he grasps the implications of his remarks. E.g., he doesn’t understand the image of a head of state sitting down with an enemy of the state. The fact that he reserves the right to do that if he is President I thought petulant. O is an excellent bullshitter and many are roped in by that.

            • Irish1139

              Also, Obama doesn’t understand what leaving this war without integrity would mean for this country. He doesn’t get it. I think you have to have lived through Vietnam to get it. I knew immediately what McCain meant. I want to leave with dignity and integrity knowing we saved a nation from a brutal dictator and they want and love democracy as much as we do. These things take time.

              • Butter

                And he doesn’t understand what it does to America’s influence and its word as a nation. Strength in the world is not some groundless bullshit. It has to be earned and the way you earn it is act on your convictions and produce the results.

                O doesn’t understand real results and has proved that over and over in his past. He has left most of his project in a worse condition than when he started. I’m thinking of the housing projects he got funding for, the police protection he passed a law against. the CAC project. All of these were failures. He doesn’t have a relationship with reality and results as all he seems to care about is gaining and having the power. Power for what? I’m left with that he only wants power for himself as if he can convince the whole world that he is great then maybe he can believe it for himself. The guy is upside down when it comes to that, that’s for sure.

          • Leisa

            No, that was no mistake… Obama was not speaking from a base of truth or convictions, he was reciting lines and poll driven pop points.

          • how many more days??

            I’m not sure how many people actually ‘think’ obama is qualified.. I think he’s got a lot of 18 to 20 year olds not thinking at all.. just thinking he’s cool.. probably much more of an age range than that.. but I’m trying to be kind..

          • julie

            This was a very effective ploy by McCain and is why McCain came off as Presidential.

            Great Strategy!

          • http://purplechiten.wordpress.com Chiten

            It’s kind of like the elite-wanna-be’s who go to museums, talk about the works of art using what they feel to be “big words” with their noses in the air and then someone comes and removes the canvas that says “Temporarily Unavailable” and hangs the correct painting leaving those who were discussing the brilliance of the sign looking like the fools they are. Obama supporters are looking at a placholder that is just standing there so the office for POTUS doesn’t go unchallenged. kind of sad.

        • Gina

          Obama was very well prepared tonight. He had direct points and plans ready on every topic. McCain, on the other hand, relied more on his life experience and storytelling. That’s not always a bad thing. People like their politicians to be good storytellers. It’s a way to connect. But let’s keep in mind the framework of this debate. Obama is the frontrunner. All he has to do at this point is look Presidential and convince whoever is not yet sold that he is up for the job, that he is not all style and that he has substance. Obama had plenty of substance tonight and left the lofty rhetoric and slogans at home.

          • AngryWhitePerson

            What debate were you watching?

          • Bell’Artista

            it appears , Gina, that you and I were watching different debates….or perhaps it is like the old fable about the blind men and the elephant.

            To me Obama appeared petulant and couldn’t resist the head up, looking down his nose thing he does when he is being threatened..
            I saw no substance,heard just words.
            I guess I like my leaders to have life experience behind their words, to base their opinions on.
            If Obama had actually attended any of his oversight committee meetings re: Afghanistan, maybe I would have been more open to listening to him go on about Afghanistan…but gee, he’s just been too busy campaigning to actually do any work.
            Why on earth does Obama want to be President anyway?
            He falls flat for me, always and tonight, too.

          • WeNeedTheClintons

            The only lucid things Obama said were talking points taken directly from Hillary Clinton’s speeches during the primary. I lost even more respect for Obama hearing him appropriate her plans as his own. What a self-idolizing jerk.

        • Linda OKC

          they usually had a melt down in the press when Hillary did that… treat BO like a child…which he is

      • cindy

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        • Amy Crunch

          Is it a cultural flaw? It sounds like psychological damage to me. Whatever: I don’t like it, I find it suspect, and I think most people will feel the same way if they take a step back and look at things from a wider perspective. There’s an art to social interchange and arrogance is not part of that formula.

          • cindy

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        • WMCB

          Huh? Ugh.

        • Cindy

          Someone is using my name! Remember, I have a capital C!!! So, the rude racist is NOT me! Thank you.

      • NObailout NObama

        &&&&&&&&&&&& ALERT &&&&&&&&&&&&&

        POLL ON DRUDGE

        Who Won

        GO VOTE

    • C.S.

      Soertoro/Obama should have done better in this debate than his past debates with all the remedial work he did last week. McCain didn’t practice, so we were told, and still out debated him.

      So how can he debate foreign officials who aren’t going to stick with a script or give him time to practice if he comes in second to McCain?

      Now imagine Senator Clinton debating foreign leaders.

      • Carolyn Mann

        CNN has been reporting that Obama won the debate. What a surprise. I thought McCain held his own, but no knock out blow either way.

        • dnesser

          I heard earlier today that the Obama Campaign informed their followers to watch CNN tonight. That really surprised me, because MSNBC is slanted even more on their side. I just read that CNN did a phone poll and Obama won. We should let MSNBC know that their man is telling their followers to watch CNN.

          • Irish1139

            Did anyone watch FOX? I had a lot of interference in the sound. It was very erratic. I wonder if it was my cable or someone was monkeying with FOX. I realize I was suppose to watch CNN because Obama told us to. Let me know if you had trouble too.

            • Cham

              I did, and I had the same audio troubles a couple of times. I wasn’t too bothered because most of what we missed was Obama’s memorized answers. I’m sure I’ll hear those ad nauseum across the media as they continue to fall at Zero’s feet.

            • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

              Yes, I had trouble trying to watch Fox. I finally had to go to CNN. Since I’ve been having problems with my Comcast reception I thought that was it. Do you think someone was interfering with the Fox broadcast? I never watch anything but Fox anymore but I didn’t want to miss the debate so I was forced to use another channel.

    • morganjane

      I loved that McCain didn’t talk to Obama directly, he didn’t even look at him!!! None of the MSM so far has mentioned that there wasn’t any back and forth to each other although Obama tried..

      • Thinker

        A lot of us noticed that McCain wouldn’t even look at Obama!! lol, I swear, it’s his way of not “legitimizing” Obama as a serious Presidential contender.

        • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease?” Opampers

          Interesting observation! In other words poor Barky is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. ;) Mac is not too far off. LMFAO!

      • Carolyn Mann

        Someone on Fox also remarked about the fact that McCain never addressed Obama by his first name — as Obama addressed him — but only as Sen. Obama. The commentator’s take on that was that Obama was trying to make himself appear to be McCain’s equal, but McCain wasn’t going there.

        • AngryWhitePerson

          Obama was trying to belittle McCain by calling him by his first name, sans title. I found it repugnant.

          McCain should continue to avoid eye contact with Obama. Malignant narcissists can not STAND to be ignored, makes them outraged.

    • destardi

      FAVORITE QUOTE OF THE DEBATE:

      “I have a bracelet toooo!”

      • jrterrier

        i thought that made obama look very small because McCain had just very movingly had described an emotional meeting with the dead soldier.

        • HRocks

          Obama did not know the name on his bracelet and had to peek! I wonder if he wears the bracelet on a daily basis or only for debates???

      • athena

        Yea our debate party all busted out laughing.

        • Tyrione

          Yea our debate party all busted out laughing.

          Presidential debate parties. That’s a new one. Perhaps their is hope people will research the nation’s past and learn our history to make the nation more reasoned again.

          Obama was beat at all phases, but the rhetoric footwork.

          Senator Clinton would have won this debate against John, but he actually wouldn’t have been too bothered as they actually enjoy their efforts in bipartisan work.

          Ms. Policy Wonk is missing from tonight’s festivities.

          • Linda OKC

            well, the audience reaction as recorded on CNN, independents were clearly favoring the Precious, not McCain

            but given how in the tank they are for Barry, who could trust the composition of that audience

        • Creature of Chicago

          I even heard tittering in the live audience.

      • Bell’Artista

        yeah, this really struck me, as well!

      • Artemis

        Very third grade.

      • Bob

        Even worse it looks like he was looking down on the bracelet to read off the name.

    • wry

      this is my rough impression.

    • Leisa

      This is dedicated to Obama, from me, written and performed by Seether.

      “Fake It”

      Who’s to know if your soul will fade at all
      The one you sold to fool the world
      You lost your self-esteem along the way
      Yeah

      [Chorus:]
      Good god you’re coming up with reasons
      Good god you’re dragging it out
      Good god it’s the changing of the seasons
      I feel so raped
      So follow me down
      And just fake it if you’re out of direction
      Fake it if you don’t belong here
      Fake it if you feel like affection
      Woah you’re such a fucking hypocrite

      And you should know that the lies won’t hide your flaws
      No sense in hiding all of yours
      You gave up on your dreams along the way
      Yeah

      [Chorus]

      Whoah
      Whoah

      I can fake with the best of anyone
      I can fake with the best of em all
      I can fake with the best of anyone
      I can fake it all

      Who’s to know if your soul will fade at all
      The one you sold to fool the world
      You lost your self-esteem along the way
      Yeah

      [Chorus]

      Fake it if you’re out of direction
      Fake it if you don’t belong here
      Fake it if you feel like infection
      Woah you’re such a fucking hypocrite

    • Objective analysis

      Were you watching the same debate? I heard more ah’s and I agree with everything John said. McCain won this.

      But the key is this. Who does the American people feel comfortable with?

      Not Obama. He looked like Al Gore in 2000 with his mannerisms and snides to McCain like Gore did to Bush.

      McCain (Yes).

  • hadenough

    mccain camp comes out with an instant youtube from the debate:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

    Pretty good.

  • HillaryDidWin

    McCain..”You can’t say that out loud”..ROFL

    • NoObamislamists

      I thought that was a gream McCain moment, delivered with just the right touch of “whar you you? Some kind of idiot?” tone.

  • Mr.Murder

    Dewey defeats Truman!

    If you liked your pick, you liked that performance.

    Obama did good to try and track along the lines of Burns, the best person at State right now.

    McCain was doing well off initial items, lost some momentum, according to others who listened here.
    It might come down to what Henry Kissinger really said, is that not strange?

    • Concerned Citizen

      Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

      http://weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#8891

      • workingclass artist

        Mccain was good on that…Barky loked like a doofus..

      • Mr.Murder

        John McCain just said that Henry Kissinger has been his friend for 35 years.

        When a journalist friend of mine and I recently asked Henry Kissinger at an Atlantic Council dinner why he was supporting John McCain, Kissinger said “because John McCain has been my friend for 20 years.”

        Bunk. Debunk.

        http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/

        • Dan

          ROTFLMAO!!! :-0

          Seriously, is that the best you can do?

          Idiot.

      • Mr. Natural

        Kissinger is quick.

    • Patrick Henry

      Hewnry kissinger doesnt really Talk…He makes funny sounds caused by Irritable Bowl Syndrom…He alsdo did alot of the Alien Voices in Star Wars…

      As far as the debate….McCain was Smarter…Obama mostly stuck to Coached Lines…Has a background as an Attorney..has a pretty good memory so he can say things thast make Him seem more knowledgable and experienced than He Really Is…

      Jive..BS…what ever You want to call it..

      how about JAIL HOUSE BLUFFING..??

      At least we Finally can listen to Intelligent se of the English language and be Happy knowing that
      We dnt have to have a Leader Who Beats around the Bush..and who beats up the English Language almost as bad as Obama Stutters…

      Senator McCain…Experienced Veteran..Prisoner of War..Patriotic American ..who on a Good Night would punch out Bill Ayers..and who is a Sincere Public Servant who can’t be Bought because he doesnt need the money..Won the debate..is More realistic and Honest…and Won the Closing Rounds…
      By Unamious DECISION..

      A Salute for Senator McCain…aka “ROCKY”

      • how many more days??

        McCain seemed to speak more from his real self, for the most part.. Obambi left me cold.. he was boring, adolescent and arrogant. I felt he was reciting.. well, they both did at points, but I just think McCain has much more class as a human being than Obama.

      • TeakwoodKite

        Well said Patrick Henry!

    • Mary

      Kissinger has already issued a statement that McCain was right, and Obama had misquoted what Kissinger said.

    • Dan

      LOL! McCain owned your boy tonight. Only the most delusional of Obama Kool-aid drinkers could watch that debate and come away thinking that Obama did anything except get his butt kicked.

  • mcpalin hill

    I thought McCain was terrific because he was clear and honest, while Obama looked rehersed. Obama was sarcastic–interrupted and laughed at McCain which showed him to be immature.

    • workingclass artist

      agree with you Mcpalin hill…On balance Barky looked and acted like an adolescent in comparison. half the time he interrupted McCain so obnoxiously….and half th time he parroted McCain like he did Clinton…

      BARKY NON GRADUS ANUS RODENTUM!
      BARKY…NOT WORTH A RAT’S ASS!

      • Mr. Natural

        I hope that’s blue collar latin, dude.

      • liberalconservative

        nice close

    • Creature of Chicago

      I hope someone got some nice screen captures of the times McCain was glared at by his opponent.

  • Freedom Fighter

    Hmmm, McCain seem OK. I thought for sure he’d explode and break out the obscenities. Maybe Letterman put laxitives in his metamucil or something.

    • http://mmb silverfox

      ff

      your guy was toast tonight.

      deal with that.

      • Freedom Fighter

        No way, Obama had the edge early on when they were talking about the economic situation. The foreign policy and national security was a tie. Even Joe Biden said afterwards on NBC that John McCain is dead wrong on Iraq.

        • hank48188

          Joe voted for the war, just like Hillary and McCain

        • oppo

          “EVEN” Joe Biden?

          • Freedom Fighter

            Yes, even Joe Biden, McCain’s dear friend felt embarassed by John McCain.

            • http://www.deadenders.wordpress.com scott in jupiter

              Hey FF Palin didn’t vote for the war either.

              • NoBamaNoWay

                heh heh. good one.

            • destardi

              You have to be a comedian by trade.

              uhbama was placed on defense more than mccain; having to explain yourself repeatedly is not a good thing.

              uhbama was giving standard answers you’d hear any dem give at the local pool hall.

            • candymarl

              Embarrassed by what? Obama lead the Democratic delegation during the WH meeting. Why isn’t Biden embarrassed that when Obama took the lead the meeting became a shouting match? Even the MSM admits McCain sat and watched while Obama, great Dem leader, allowed that to happen.

              True there was no agreement. But Obama didn’t forge an agreement either. Why isn’t the new leader of the Democratic Party responsible for that?

              • Freedom Fighter

                According to Harry Reid who was at the meeting, it was McCain who derailed the agreement. Before McCain had arrived to play spoiler, an agreement had been ironed out.

                • destardi

                  Freedumb fighter…

                  Can you give the details of th agreement that had been “ironed out”?

                  Did it involve a 20% payout to ACORN, or not?

                  If you don’t what the fuck you’re talking about in DETAIL, don’t bother wasting space, mmmkay?

                • jrterrier

                  harry reid was the one who lost it and started screaming.

                • Carolyn Mann

                  Bob Schieffer reported on CBS early yesterday morning that Hank Paulson got in touch with Lindsay Graham and begged him to persuade McCain to come to Washington. Why? Because the House Republicans were in revolt and he felt McCain could help bring their votes in. There was no agreement. McCain did not scuttle the agreement. Harry Reid, who is not exactly a neutral source, is just plain full of shit.

                  Search in yesterday’s archives in NoQuarter and you’ll find the video!

                • IndieDogg

                  Why do we bother with Flounder Fighter?

                  Okay, try to follow this. Harry Reid was at his own meeting, the Democratic Caucus and budget committee members, that devolved into a screaming match once OBAMA showed up. Obama ran their meeting, not McCain.

                  You really have to figure this out. McCain is the Republican candidate. Obama and Biden; those are Democrats.

                  John McCain did not go to Harry Reid’s meeting, nor was he invited. Reid then ran to the cameras and announced a “deal” that his side had “worked out” among themselves, not with Republicans.

                  And, hey, if that Christmas Tree fell over because John McCain showed up, thank goodness for John McCain.

                • Mr. Natural

                  According to Harry Reid who was at the meeting, it was McCain who derailed the agreement. Before McCain had arrived to play spoiler, an agreement had been ironed out.

                  There’s nothing like a disinterested observer, eh flatulence fighter?

                  BTW, Reid’s so called “ironed out agreement” was an agreement to totally screw the taxpayer.

                  That may not bother you Mommy’s basement dwellers, but it bothers the rest of u s.

                • tommy077

                  EVEN Harry Reid thought John MCCain “derailed” the agreement? ‘Cause I’m sure there is no political posturing there. How upset McCain will be to hear this.

                • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

                  “According to Harry Reid …”

                  Hahahahahahahahahaha!

                • Tyrione

                  According to Harry Reid who was at the meeting, it was McCain who derailed the agreement. Before McCain had arrived to play spoiler, an agreement had been ironed out.

                  The leading Republican of the House Finance committee called it DOA from the start, until they got crapped ironed out.

                  McCain made it clear that his mediation of the House Republicans to come back to the table is how come progress still moves forward.

              • Helen S

                Candymarl Where do you get your mis- information from ?

            • oppo

              was he drunk? just askin’!

              • Amy Crunch

                Biden? Drunk? Is it between six in the morning and five thirty in the morning the following day? If so then yes, he’s drunk. ;)

                (But he’s a totally arrogant asshole 24/7 with no time off.)

              • Maverick

                It looked like he was on heroin. His eyelids were half closed and he looked far away. His hair was all wet. He looked stooooooned.

            • IndieDogg

              Would somebody inform Freedom Fries or whatever his name is that Joe Biden is on the Democratic ticket? Uh, that means he’s running AGAINST John McCain. Might help explain Biden’s comments, as much as you can ever explain what Joe’s saying.

            • tampagurl

              “Biden misleads with accusation of tax increase”

              That was the headlines on my homepage. “FreedomFighter” given Joe’s constant faux pas, I don’t think I would be to quick to quote him.

            • just me

              like Joe Biden would say anything else!!
              he may be Joh McCains friend but did u forget he’s running as vp for the other guy?

        • candymarl

          Really? So why is there less loss of life in Iraq?

        • Mamatx

          Joe “Pres. Roosevelt went on TV after the market crash in 1929″ Biden? Who cares what he says.

        • tommy077

          Honestly Stupidest Comment Ever! You mean EVEN Barak’s running mate thinks John MCCain is wrong? How upset McCain will be when he hears this.
          LOL, HAHAHAHA…

          • just me

            LOL I do not believe FF wrote that ….

            It’s like Sosa saying he can hit like Bonds.

            WTH? get a brain

        • Butter

          Well Obama didn’t make any points with me on the economy. Notice that he doesn’t consider the economy an integrated whole. It is the many with wealth that creates jobs and hires the working man. Punish the guy with the wealth and you dry up the jobs. So that flatly doesn’t work.

          Also, O paraded all of his programs when asked what he would change in his budget because of the costly financial crisis. He never offered to cut a single Government expense. He took no responsibility for the government’s corruption in the financial mess. What that amounts to is that he is going to even need more money that what the financial mess requires. This amounts to the govt holding a gun to your head (either through higher taxes or higher inflation) to get the money from all of us that it says it has to have. There simply is no other way and O is totally oblivious of this fact.

        • liberalconservative

          i would hardly call joe a reliable source

        • athy

          freedom fighter-

          You said:
          No way, Obama had the edge early on when they were talking about the economic situation. The foreign policy and national security was a tie. Even Joe Biden said afterwards on NBC that John McCain is dead wrong on Iraq.

          You just dont get it. We know Sen Obama is a great T A L K E R. He may have talked well about the economic situation but as more voters learn the truth behind some of the people who helped to facilitate this crisis (many are now working as key campaign advisors for Sen Obama)
          say ‘goodbye’ to any early edge you think that Sen Obama may have had tonight.

          Oh…and I am supposed to believe what Joe Biden says about McCain… WHY?

          Fannie Mae and Freddie mac-what really happened:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

          http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=themouthpeace&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_525530

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0

          Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the “Family” and “Conscience” of Fannie Mae

          http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/16/obamas-finance-chair-failed-bank-owner-penny-pritzker-and-todays-wall-street-problem/#more-4842

    • Amy Crunch

      Oh you must have drunk that shit, FF! That would explain a lot, wouldn’t it? ROFL ;)

    • stodghie

      hey ff, get a life.

      • Amy Crunch

        You honestly want him to live? ;)

    • candymarl

      A very Western view. Old means useless. There’s a heck of a progressive view. I’m sure you had grandparents or older relatives. Did you view them that way?

      I’ve lived in countries where age and experience are revered. I’ve lived in more countries than Obama. But that’s right. My experience doesn’t count and his lack of experience does.

      You’re here because those “old Metamucil types” were born. Or did you think you were like Topsy and just “growed”.

      • Amy Crunch

        FF is a known troll. He’s prolly a nephew of David Axelrod – or Dave’s latest punk. Ignore the insect and he’ll get the sack and Axelrod will replace him. Cheetos are more expensive these days than we often remember. ;)

      • Helen S

        candymal You are one of the DUMMEST people on the earth. You should hope to live so long as some of we “old Metamucil types” Ypu are absolutely stupid.

      • liberalconservative

        i’m sick of the attitude that old is useless..personally i think McCain’s age coupled with his “maverick” reputation that will turn into some major kick ass when elected, because he’s got nothing to lose..no career to build..no more bs games..welcome to the new frontier

  • mcpalin hill

    To me Obama always looks like he is pretending to be President. I just don’t believe him because he was trained for 15 years to stand up there and look presidential.

    • dpvegas

      Yeah, I liked when McCain said he didn’t have a presidential seal! Hee hee. Barky didn’t like that one. Had a hard time pulling his lips back across his teeth in that really weird “smile” of his.

    • Amy Crunch

      Maybe his colleagues in the Senate can buy him a doll house sized toy White House so he can play at it more? ;)

      • MrMike

        He can take his styrofoam columns and decorate his Hyde Park mansion to look like the White House.

        • Mr. Natural

          A job for PhotoShop!

    • Dan

      His whole campaign has been one big acting job. He’s running on image and charisma alone. Underneath the glitz there’s very little true substance there.

    • HRocks

      McCain was smiling alot at Baby’s answers. My college son picked up that Baby contradicted himself on the military position in Iraq and the Baby didn’t know what nuclear proliferation was. He made up an answer.

  • http://mmb silverfox

    McCain won.

    he had obama on the defensive much of the time.

    Obama looked very squirrelly and fidgety when Mac was making points. the bobo did not look presidential.

    McCain looked and acted very presidential and more specifically informed in a way that obama…

    simply was not.

    • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

      If looks could kill, McCain would be gone. Obama stared hard at him most of the time with a look of hatred and his eyes shot bullits. I expected him to start screaming at any minute – “I raised my hand, can’t you stop him?”

      And his look of desperation at Lehrer as if he thought Lehrer was going to protect him from the big bully who was telling the truth against him.
      Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  • Amy Crunch

    Yeah it’s better here. I thought I was playing Snake over there finally!

  • Rodrigo

    NO WAY NO HOW NO OBAMA

    McCain 2008
    Hillary 2012

    • hadenough

      Hillary would have destroyed both of them in a debate. There I said it…

      • LauraInCali

        AMEN!

      • athy

        hadenough

        :)

    • Amy Crunch

      If it came to Obama vs Biden I would take Obama hands down. Biden is a DISEASE. Migod he’s REPULSIVE. I hope Sarah cuts his nuts off!

      • lark

        Biden is repulsive. Good description.

  • OxyCon

    I thought McCain mopped the floor with Obama. He made Obama look like an inexperienced lightweight.

    • mcpalin hill

      oxycon — You got it.

      • Amy Crunch

        This is hard to gauge. Let’s see what the polls do. ;)

    • MEchelle Hates America!

      I agree. Good to have your input OxyCon.

  • Hmm

    Obama seemed angry. Almost out of control. The press loves him but I think people will wonder a bit about Obama’s lack of control.

    • AF catfish

      At the beginning Obama’s eyes looked crazy. I think they used blue eye shadow or blue contacts but he was looking right into the camera and he looked wild crazy-eyed. Hope they replay some crazy-eyed highlights.

      • Kevin

        Ru Paul?

      • DAB

        I noticed the same thing — I asked hubby, “What’s wrong with his eyes”. He looked kind of evil or something.

        • MOmule

          DAB – I thought that they were dying his eyebrows! They looked odd – especially since his handlers seem to be allowing some grey in his hair to make him look more mature. The brows looked so black, like woolly worms. Maybe he was forecasting a bad winter to come? (Or 4 years?)

          • Arabella Trefoil

            lol!

      • Bob

        I agree totally He looked like an angry thug that he is

        • http://msnGodhelpusall Lee M

          He DID look odd. I’ve been studying his features for a long time, and it is my impression that they are more Arabic than African. The part of Kenya that his tribe is from is the area that was controled by the Arabic slave traders. His face is long and lean, not round and full like most Africans. It’s scary, but put a beard on him and he looks like Osama bin Ladin.

      • http://blogawayintothenight.wordpress.com/ Miss H

        Maybe they were trying to accessorize NoBama’s chic purple Kool-Aid lips with the latest in wild crazy blue tinged eyes.

    • cindy

      [RACIST COMMENT REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR].

      • Zee

        You are a troll, trying to make this site look racist. Obama’s lips are purple but they are thin. Buzz off, buster.

      • Amy Crunch

        ISN’T THERE AN AESTHETICS LAW PROHIBITING DONNA BRAZILE FROM APPEARING ON TELEVISION? I AM SHOCKED! SHOCKED I TELL YOU! THIS IS DISGRACEFUL! CALL OUT THE NATIONAL GUARD AND GET HER OFF THE SCREEN! NOW! ;)

        • http://Q Diana L. C.

          Just stop the hate!

          (Of course I’m being facetious. I agree completely!)

    • HRocks

      Obama clenched his jaws alot and gritted his teeth. Yes, he did appeared to be angry.

    • beebop

      I watched on Public Television. They opined that the reason that JSM never looked at 0mama is that the campaign felt that this was their best opportunity to get their message to the voting public directly without parsing it through the media. That only works if you don’t listen to the BS aferwords imho ….

  • yttik

    One thing I got from this debate, if Obama is elected this country is in deep trouble. It’s hard to imagine how the country could be in more trouble then it is now under George Bush, but if Obama is elected, we won’t have to try and imagine. Obama has the same arrogance and ignorance that Bush has. His desire to raise taxes on business right now while the country is suffering a financial nightmare would be devestating. His inability to listen to other people including Generals on the ground, could lead us into some miltary disasters like we’ve never seen before.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This country will be going to hell in handbasket if Obama in put in charge. Peace takes wisdom, not empty words and hubris.

  • http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo I love this one.
    “Oh please” said McCain to obama….priceless!

    • candymarl

      Oh snap!

  • jrterrier

    i agree with that assessment. and obama also looked as if he was repeating what he had been taught. with mccain, he knew his stuff and time and time again he showed that he isn’t just a military guy. he knows peace as well. also, more than once obama was seen smirking or smiling uncomfortably and raised his hand to answer.

    on the other hand, there weren’t any moments where he sighed or improperly invaded his opponents space like gore.

    • Mr.Murder

      Yes, sighing is not presidential, can’t he take a cue from stutterbunnies like Dubya?

      • just me

        looked like he had been looking in the mirror whilst cramming and came out looking like he was doing the same on stage….
        He looked like he was going to take off at first his eyes were staring : quite odd to say the least

  • georgia

    I think McCain’s many years of service to our country spoke volumes of his integrity, wisdom and candor. Obama could not speak from that vantage point but sure was hyping change, change, change. But changing the order of things with out the wisdom to predict the probable outcome of your actions is frightening prospect. I went in to this rooting for McCain & came out even stronger. Obama scares me to death!

  • lark

    The first five minutes McCain was a little nervous but after he heated up, McCain swept the floor with poor Oblahblah. OChavez was pathetic. What a little petulant ignorant inexperienced fool.

  • NoBO

    McCain seemed more presidential, more knowledgeable, more thorough. Obama, not so much. Maybe they came out even on points but I’d be much happier with McCain and his excellent judgement.

  • georgia

    Good sign indeed. I also think McCain’s many years of service to our country spoke volumes of his integrity, wisdom and candor. Obama could not speak from that vantage point but sure was hyping change, change, change. But changing the order of things with out the wisdom to predict the probable outcome of your actions is frightening prospect. I went in to this rooting for McCain & came out even stronger. Obama scares me to death!

  • Amy Crunch

    I will forgive CNN for a lot – BUT NOT FOR PUTTING THAT GORILLA BIDEN ON CAMERA. I think it’s lights out for us. ;)

    • cindy

      [ADMINISTRATOR: Comment removed for inappropriate content.]

      • Newly Independent

        What’s this? A bigoted troll!

        • Zee

          it’s here to sell their meme —- that Obama will lose because “we” are “racist.”

          • NoObamislamists

            What’s really ironic is that on the one hand Obama and his surrogates are playing the “if you don’t vote for Obama then you might just be a redneck” card, meanwhile, the real white supremacists are pretty much anti-McCain and think that if Obama wins it will wake up the white man, in essence, passively supporting Obama for president. Do the google news search on white supremacists and obama.

          • jwrjr

            Reality – Obama will lose because “we” are not “racist”.

  • oppo

    my husband & i thought obama seemed way more irritated, kept interrupting, petulant…my 12 year old could only pay attention during Mac’s turns, because Obama “drones”…we didn’t think it was even CLOSE, but I guess we could concede a tie…

    • Amy Crunch

      Yes. Obama kept butting in and his dog Lehrer kept letting him do it.

    • MEchelle Hates America!

      You’ve got a smart 12 year old!! BO stands for BORING!!!

      McCain knocked it out of the park.

  • Alex

    Obama was on the defensive more often.

    McCain was clear and to the point more often. He definitely looked more presidential.

  • http://mbc MBC

    I thought McCain delivered some corny stories, but they didn’t seem too contrived. Obama acted like a juvenile with his smirks and finger waving. John’s last line will stick with us all, something to the effect that he knows how to deal with our adversaries and he knows how to deal with our friends. I will feel safer with John McCain answering the phone at 3am.

    • mcpalin hill

      MBC — McCain is like a comfortable old shoe. Right now with the mess this country is in — a comfortable old shoe is just the ticket.

      • http://mbc MBC

        Especially since we are not going to be able to afford a new pair!

      • Independent

        That “old shoe” smells too much like Bush Administration for my taste.

        McCain’s proposal on everything from Iraq, to the economy, to taxes, are the same as what Bush offered. It hasn’t worked, so why would we expect it to work under McCain?

        McCain can’t even bring his own party together over the bailout plan he supports.

    • Dan

      No doubt. And that is the message that will stick with the voters who watched tonight’s debate.

      John McCain is ready to be Commander-In-Chief.

      Barack Obama clearly is not.

  • NoBAma

    Biden is so full of shit and his Obama love.

    • Amy Crunch

      Biden would still be full of shit if he wasn’t going steady with Sweet Barry.

      • workingclass artist

        RFLMAO….and eeeeewww…what a visual…

  • hadenough

    Why did cnn have that deranged lunatic aravosis on? Oh right because they are cnn.

    • wry

      Don’t watch CNN. It’s not good for you.

  • KsGirl

    Obama still can’t talk straight without um ah this and um ah that. I hope we don’t have to listen to that for 4 yrs.

    It’s hard to believe the democrats could have had Hillary and they selected the empty suit…

    Nobama no way…

  • lark

    Now all the MSM including Fox say that loosing is a draw because Oblahblah just had to vote present. These people are pathetic. Pathetic.

    • mcpalin hill

      lark — thats what I got too — all Obama needed to do was show that he could be on the same stage with McCain. Its makes me ill. Obama looks like a smirky kid–but the media has annointed him. They want this immature fool to run this country into the ground–and there is only us to stand in their way.

      • Jules

        all Obama needed to do was show that he could be on the same stage with McCain.

        So we’re now having affirmative action Presidential debates.

  • tillthen

    A Marine once told me that when you are telling the truth, you can hang in there all day long. When you are lying – that’s when you show signs of buckling.
    Although I didn’t watch the debate – I just can’t bear to watch that fraud – it sounds like the Marine was right on.

  • Lucinda

    Everyone kept saying before the debate that McCain was easily provoked and had to watch himself. However, McCain seemed very calm through the whole thing, and Obama was the one who agitated (to the point of stuttering) several times. I think he might have been over-coached.

    • Jules

      I think he might have been over-coached.

      Or just under-qualified

      • imustprotest

        good one! LOL

    • mcpalin hill

      lucinda — Obama has a glass jaw. He can dish it out but he can’t take it.

      • Dan

        Well, what we’ve seen twice now is that once Obama is deprived of his teleprompter and is actually forced to answer tough questions under pressure without the media to shield him, he withers. McCain, on the other hand, thrives in that situation.

        No wonder Barry has been ducking debating McCain for the last three months. Even on ultra-liberal Drudge.com, 70% of the people there are saying that McCain won.

        I can’t wait for the next two debates.

  • Larse12

    Go over to Drudgereport.com and vote who won the debate. McCain is winning.
    Then go to MSNBC.com and vote who won the debate because Obama is winning that poll.

    • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease?” Opampers

      Then go to MSNBC.com and vote who won the debate because Obama is winning that poll.

      No surprise there. Only Obamatons watch MSNBO.

      • workingclass artist

        Barky is winning that one cause all the staff at msnbs….keeps voting…chuckle….

    • mcpalin hill

      larse – just voted 70% McCain 28% Obama

      • cindy

        gallup says

        obama 40%
        draw 38%
        mccain 22%

        • https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=3 cindy

          Sorry more like

          Snobami 0%
          draw 0%
          mccain 100%

    • Helen S

      Larse12 Obama is winning on MSNBC because only people who are Obamabots watch that station. That’s why they are so far down in the ratings. I gave up on ALL the cable pundints months and months ago.

      • just me

        Fox had McCain 85%
        O 15%

  • Prem

    BHO always spoke in generalities, McCain spoke with clarity, lots of details (which reminded me of Hillary—I miss her)and specifics. JMac’s experience and wisdom shone through.

    BHO always sounds like a petulant little child and his inexperience really showed tonight.

    I’ve gained a new appreciation for JMac—he got in several good zingers—and he made some really witty remarks. I have no hesitation about voting for him now, whatsoever!

    • CJ

      The comment about the Presidential seal by McCain was one of the better zingers!

      • Carolyn Mann

        So subtle, though, that I’m not sure everyone got it.

  • http://dianej.wordpress.com dianej

    John McCain did a great job tonight. I am so so happy.

    • mcpalin hill

      dianej — McCain was terrific and he didn’t have a great day because of the media and the attacks by Democrats. But great men rise to the occasion. Plus — McCain saved us 700 Billion today–I applaud him for that too.

  • Freedom Fighter

    McCain mentioned Clinton in the debate… LOL, how desperate is that? He is trolling for Clinton dead-enders in an effort to salvage his sinking ship.

    • stodghie

      hey ff, get a life, put a sock in it, make like the wind a blow, make like a leaf and leave. get lost!

    • Kevin

      Funny how she’s still relevant, we’re still relevant, and shitheads like you are still coming here, every damn day. If we were not relevant, you wouldn’t need to come here to harden our resolve.

      Funny for a troll to use the word trolling.

      • BRae

        Amen.

        According to various polls, 42% of Hillary’s voters will still not vote for Obama — that comes to around 7.5 million I think.

        But I guess there are just 12 of us bitter deadenders…

        • Bob

          ARE THERE ANY PUMAS OUT there I hope I am not alone

          • http://blogawayintothenight.wordpress.com/ Miss H

            There are many PUMAs on the prowl continuously; just say NO DEAL to the economic bailout (ie stickup) and to Obama and his advisors from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae!

            Obama’s economic policy advisors:

            Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines, and Jamie Gorelick

            Today we see the culmination of the wild speculation in the credit markets that has gone on the past ten years.

            Last June, Obama vice-presidential selection co-chair Jim Johnson had to resign after his links to the Fannie Mae collapse became public. Who was Jim Johnson?

            Johnson created the Fannie Mae Foundation where he served with distinction as its chairman and CEO from 1991 to 1998. In 1999, he became CEO of Fannie Mae.

            Johnson earned the Master’s degree in Public Affairs from Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School in 1968, and the Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Minnesota in 1965.

            What was his finance background ?

            Johnson began his career as a faculty member at Princeton University, later moving on to the United States Senate as a staff member and to the Dayton-Hudson Corporation (now Target Corp.) as director of public affairs. He was executive assistant to Vice President Walter Mondale during the entire Carter Administration (1977-1981). Later, he founded and headed Public Strategies, a private consulting firm, from 1981 to 1985 before leaving for Lehman Brothers.

            Does that sound like finance ?

            How about Franklin Raines ?

            As soon as Franklin Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.

            In June 2008 Wall Street Journal reported that Franklin Raines was one of several politicians who received below market rates loans at Countrywide Financial because the corporation considered the officeholders “FOA’s”–”Friends of Angelo” (Countrywide Chief Executive Angelo Mozilo). He received loans for over $3 million while CEO of Fannie Mae. Franklin Raines is currently one of Barack Obama’s economic advisers.

            What about Jamie Gorelick ?

            Even though she had no previous training nor experience in finance, Gorelick was appointed Vice Chairman of Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) from 1997 to 2003. She served alongside Franklin Raines during that period. Fannie Mae developed a $10 billion accounting scandal.

            On March 25, 2002, Business Week interviewed Gorelick about the health of Fannie Mae. Gorelick is quoted as saying, “We believe we are managed safely. We are very pleased that Moody’s gave us an A-minus in the area of bank financial strength — without a reference to the government in any way. Fannie Mae is among the handful of top-quality institutions.”One year later, Government Regulators “accused Fannie Mae of improper accounting to the tune of $9 billion in unrecorded losses”.

            In an additional scandal concerning falsified financial transactions that helped the company meet earnings targets for 1998, a “manipulation” that triggered multimillion-dollar bonuses for top executives. Gorelick received $779,625.

            Meanwhile, Obama is the largest recipient of political donations from Fannie Mae and still has not returned the $112,000 given to him. This is money the taxpayers of the United States are now owed since the government has taken over both Fannie and Freddie.

    • hank48188

      All the Dead-Enders are voting for McCain, i live in Michiganistan and all the DEMS I know are voting for Mac

      • Bob

        Vote for the state legislature loser

    • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

      Hardly, he and Senator Clinton are good friends and have worked on many issues together.

      I was planning on being nice here and saying that I called it a draw. Too bad you’re void of common sense.

      BO I believe came across quite well and I get why people are attracted to him and his beliefs. But we need experience and wisdom in the Oval Office, especially now; and BO is without those.

      • workingclass artist

        Barky came off as immature…and hyperactive…
        Every time McCain said Barky doesn’t understand Barky shrunk inside that big empty suit…sheeesh!

      • MrMike

        Obama has Bush’s massive unpopularity on his side, of course he did well.
        So Obama got props from the blo-dri cable talking heads for showing up. What does McCain get for doing so well with the mill-stone of Bush around his neck?

    • steel magnolia

      Yea, good for him! He knows how wonderful we are!

      • Freedom Fighter

        It was a pathetic act of desperation. He probably lost more wingnut base support by mentioning Hillary Clinton.

        • imustprotest

          No, it’s called being honest FF….something I know is unfamiliar to you and all the rest of the culties.

    • Helen S

      Freedom Fighter It’s called “CLASS” you dummy. Something that the Democrats know NOTHING about.

    • athy

      Freedom Fighter

      Sen Obama mentioned Kissinger.
      Drop it.

    • Leisa

      The first things McCain mentioned was his good friend, Senator Kennedy, the work they did togther and wished him well with his latest health setback. He thanked his host and others involved in setting yup the debate. That is what a statesman does.

      Obama was first out to bat and did not mention anyone on the Senate that has helped him get to where he is today. Ted? Who is that?

  • sandy gonzo

    mcCain cleaned up the man child tonight. Big time

    Mac Daddy delivers and the “one’ became 1/2!

    • jwrjr

      Babylon 5 reference:

      W. J. Clinton – the One who was
      J. S. McCain – the One who is
      H. R. Clinton – the One who will be

      B. H. O. Soetoro – the One who will never be.

  • rw

    McCain’s superior grasp of geography, geo-strategic locations, leaders, events, history just overshadowed Obama’s rambling.

    McCain was even-keeled, composed, and most importantly, METHODICAL. Obama was fidgety and speaking as if on speed,to the point that he got a foam spit in the center of his lips….bad, bad, bad…it meant he was NERVOUS and not in control.

    McCain took the night.

    • mcpalin hill

      rw–yes.

    • athena

      that spit was distracting. That happened a couple of times. Looked like he was salivating……

  • Elle

    McCain needs his warm up time but when pre-heat was done,BO was twice baked.

    • Cubs in 08

      LOL

  • sandy gonzo

    Comment by Larse12 | 2008-09-26 22:06:33

    thats because the bots are there

  • Paul3triple

    McCain won. his depth of wisdom far surpasse obama. That is why obama camp is spinning that mccain is stuck in the past.
    Look at someones past and you will see how they act in the future.,
    Mac took him to the woodshed on Iran. Obama also had a mean look. he did not look happy or presidential.
    Even on the economy Mac drove home tha spending is insane and obama wants to spend 800 billion more.
    It was checkers vs. chess.
    McCain/Palin

    • mcpalin hill

      paul — McCain has experience and it was nice to hear what we did in 1980. What can Obama say? He has never accomplished anything in his life. Not one thing. He used to vote Present and now he gets points if he is Present.

      Fred Barnes said Obama didn’t have to accomplish anything because he is leading and he didn’t make any mistakes. What a load of crap we are being fed.

      • Jules

        McCain has experience and it was nice to hear what we did in 1980. What can Obama say? He has never accomplished anything in his life

        Well, Obama could tell you what he did in kindergarten. I’m sure he could spin that into a tale of how it prepared him to be President.

        • lark

          As far as kindergarten goes, the only thing he can spin is that he learned to pray as a Muslim and he can go to any Muslim country and pray with their leaders.

      • NoBamaNoWay

        yeah; tell it to president dewey.

    • interested party

      Kind of funny, I thought Obama sounded stuck the past.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease?” Opampers

    The best was the no on the job training line from Mac. Mac has experience and a track record. Opampers has theory, no record of meaningful accomplishments and promises we know he has no intention of honoring.

  • Nay

    Olbermann is shameless… saying McCain repeating talking points regarding earmarks. Perhaps the earmark adversity hasn’t reached Obama’s running mate yet with $51 million requested by Biden. A serious, serious loss on Obama’s part. Obama just “does not understand”.

    Somebody could seriously make money on a bumper sticker that says “Obama just doesn’t understand”. Let me know if someone does :)

    • Sarasota

      Nearly $1M per day in ear marks were received by BO, prior to his running for President when he froze…..everyone gets religion eventually I guess?

      • Nay

        I guess Biden is just trying to catch up to his running mate….

        • Gina

          and where was Sarah? Too afraid she’d make another gaffe?

          • Jaxxy

            She’s on the campaign in Pennsylvania where she can be of support to Mac. It was reported that she watched the debate from there.

            The way we can spot bo supporters from a mile off is their consistency in making the same sorts of snide comments as their candidate.

  • http://dianej.wordpress.com dianej

    Senator McCain’s knowledge and life-experiences and political RECORD blasted Obama right off the stage. McCAIN WON.

  • Danny

    Obama didn’t run off the stage crying! I was amazed that he could stand there and look so stoopid for sooo long without breaking down. He must be taking cue from W.

    • mcpalin hill

      danny — Obama knows he has the media on his side so he smirks and looks stupid–he knew it would be spun in his favor just like everything is for him

  • HillaryDidWin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmOfntpm1Xs

    President McCain…teaching Obambi..ROFL..my favorite part of the debate..HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com vbonnaire

    how many times did O say when i’m prez?

    McC all the way. He was calm, collected, a LEADER.

    whew. Post Hillary, it’s not even funny anymore — considering what McC has to take care of post Bushco.

    Ugh.

    hugs to all.

    no trust in O –

    love McC’s League of democracies — McC is NOT BUSH!
    at all. O is stupid to think any of us think that, and we are Dems.

    • lark

      How many time Obama said “as President I”?

  • Larse12
    • McHope

      I did not get to view the debate due to a football game.
      So thank you for posting this- a very interesting exchange in which McCain was very good. In obama’s preparation, this was likely a defining issue, seems more than silly to say Kissinger agrees without checking that fact.

      On a side note, people at the game were talking and wondering how the debate was going. They came to the conclusion that the moderators were probably asking McCain if he knew the words to our school fight song and when he didn’t all the Obots would be screaming- he doesn’t even know the Richards High Scool Fight Song, how can he be president? :)
      Most people see through the media bias and double standard.

  • SlowBurn

    I just finished watching the debate . . .Obama is clearly not ready for prime time (I was not surprised). McCain wupped obama’s a$$!!!!

    wahoooo!

    McCain/Palin 2008
    (I can hardly wait until Palin destroys Biden!)

  • Sarasota

    If even Obama loving Drudge is giving a 71% to McCain, well then….no contest baby!

    • dee4hill

      Just voted. McCain is now 69%, Barky 29%.

      John McCain – READY TO LEAD!!! Woo-hooo!!!

      McCain/Palin ’08
      Hillary ’12

  • SLW

    Obama is a joke when it comes to military history- he got his Serbian-Russian conflict dates incorrect- that didn’t happen in April, that was March 3- I know that as fact because I was on assignment. McCain held his own and didn’t back down; I just wish they could have addressed the bailout strategy a bit more but I’m going out on a limb in stating, ” mums the word. “

    • Amy Crunch

      I know that as fact

      How many other people know that? Again we’re reliant on the utterly superficial Blitzers and Coopers to point that out to ordinary people.

      • SLW

        I don’t know if that was a joke or a compliment, either way, that was disrespectful, especially after I apologized to you earlier. You singling me out on this board after I read all the comments on here? Please know that I have a professional Russian background and I know these things. How rude. I’d like to see you live in Russia with the atrocities I saw. How many other people know that?- anyone who was in the military at that time, would you like me to call my operatives?

        • wry

          i think she was pointing out that most voters don’t have your knowledge. I don’t think she meant to offend.

  • hadenough

    “Liberal media” talking point: mccain did not look at obama enough

    If they didn’t exist you couldn’t make them up.

    • oppo

      right – and all the “John is right” business just shows he’s a conciliatory, bi-partisan leader…

      next I’m sure we’ll hear how interrupting your opponent & being peevish are true signs of respect (LOL)

    • so saddened

      i loved that mccain didn’t look at obama. at times, obama looked like a child desperately seeking approval as he looked over at mccain, but mccain resolutely didn’t give it. loved it!

      on another topic, early on, obama claimed he had come out warning about the upcoming financial crisis two years ago or whatever. actually, it was mccain who did that, both in warnings and in proposed legislation. as usual, obama has no fear whatsoever about telling baldfaced lies, as he knows the corrupt media will never call him on it.

      • gadem

        Thanks for bringing that up. I haven’t seen anyone else mention it. When BO said that, I couldn’t believe it. Do you think he was trying to cut off JM before he could mention the bill HE sponsored for the same thing? That whole comment sounded very planned/rehearsed to me – and of course no comment on it from MSM.

  • CJ

    I saw a passion and sincerity in McCain tonight that I have not seen before. Obama did better than usual, not as much stuttering. I think though that McCain controlled the debate and that he spoke from experience whereas Obama was schooled/informed.

    • Zee

      I counted the uhs and ums but not the stuttering. Yes, there were a few answers where he had only 1 to 3 uhs. But many more where there were 5-10.

      Overall 135 uhs during his 45 minutes….about 3 per minute. I know that’s down from his usual, so he must’ve practiced very hard!

    • so saddened

      excellent point, cj. obama has learned the lines, but mccain actually knows what he’s talking about. mccain’s been there when things happened and knows who has what agenda, what the ramifications are of different courses of action, etc. obama just knows what the best lines are for political gain.

  • cindy

    go hillary!

  • Amy Crunch

    OK. Gonna wander over to Daily Kook and see what the Kool-Aid™ drinkers are saying. BRB! ;)

    • cindy

      mee too

    • Amy Crunch

      OK it’s worse than suspected. Daily Kook himself Markook Moulitsas is pissed and has a clip at YouTube already called ‘YOU WERE WRONG’.

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=KHW-0LDQ0IE

      He also has the leading article there. I’d say McCain won based on the frenetic childishness of the Daily Kook people already, even more so as the editor of the Beobachter is blowing a gasket! ;)

      • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

        Did you wash your hands before you came back here? ;)

  • interested party

    I got in late but did anyone notice that McCain rarely looked at Obama? Also that he never complemented Obo on anything. The body language and tact fits the narrative that Obo is not up to standard.

    Both did ok, but I give the debate to McCain on style. Much more relaxed and reasoned. Obama, though well rehearsed, looked at many times petulant and annoyed.

  • mel

    Tonight on the economy, it was pretty even and calm likely due to the situation, as for the rest of the debate on foreign policy, McCain smartly allowed Obambi to implode especially when McCain caught Obama insinuating over Kissenger’s statement.

    For the fun of it, I wished McCain mopped the floor with Obama, but can understand it is still early before the election day and McCain isn’t stupid, he is feeding just enough by constantly saying Obama is stupid in not so many words.

    Unlike the primaries, there is no election in 3 or 4 days, it is in 40 days, so relax, McCain lit the fuse and Obama fell for it, now the building Obama built will implode in the coming weeks!

    Expect Axelrod to turn McCain calling Obama inexperienced a racist in saying so before the week-end is over!

    Any bets McCain will negotiate a conclusion to the financial crisis by Sunday and in McCain fashion won’t take credit, but his associates in Congress will praise him for it after tthe vote?

    • dee4hill

      I agree. I think McCain is going to end up being the one that brings the House GOP and the Dems together on the bailout. He won’t take credit but others will attribute it to his leadership and it will be ALL OVER FOR BARKY.

      McCain/Palin ’08
      Hillary ’12

      • so saddened

        but barky will claim credit and his media bootlickers will agree with him. hope people see through it.

  • waldenpond

    McCain gets the win. He comes off a bad week and gives a calm measured performance. The talking headss initially gave compliments to McCain, masterful, commanding, defined Obama as irritated, petulant, frustrated and that McCain got under his skin. The media then struggles to define McCain’s weaknesses and where Obama did well. The fact they have to struggle? McCain won. Now it’s time to turn the channel as they will all trot out their Obama syncophants.

  • cookiegramma

    I agree that McCain won this debate. The one thing that most bothered me about Obama was all the facial expressions aside when McCain was talking. It just did not look presidential. Maybe I am wrong, especially with how enamored the Obots are with Barky, but I cannot help but think back to when Bush senior blew it by looking at his watch. Did the msm pick up immediately withthat being a problem, I cannot remember. Axelrod might be good, but anyone with experience in public speaking knows that when you are trying to collect your thoughts, taking a sip of water gives you the time to think. Obama constantly stammers when trying to formulate his response. McCain taking notes when he is being attacked worked, he did not show his anger.

    • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

      He did show quite a bit of emotion. McCain just smiled.

    • Zee

      The MSM is too busy spanking John McCain for “scolding” Obama.

      They are losing their own cool. Even Anderson Cooper, after Biden was on, snapped “don’t hold your breath” when someone wished Palin would come on, too.

      Some objectivity, huh?

      • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

        Auuh. And, they were illin’ with Obama’s arrogance and poor tempermant?

        The Media thinks they’re hiring another Talk Show Host, losing sight that the President is not a contest on American Idol.

        Kinda like asking a regular client in a restaurant to take over as Chef.

      • Carolyn Mann

        I’m a little concerned about Palin’s debate with Biden. She gives a great speech, but in interviews she falls into some of the same traps that Obama does — her answers are too long and convoluted. I’ve also read better replies to questions about her foreign policy experience in articles and at blog sites than she usually gives. But her best response to those kinds of questions would probably be: How many other governors elected to the presidency have had foreign policy experience?

  • beverly leslie

    I like the way oblah blah kept saying, I agree with what John said. He always did that shit with Hillary. I agree with Hillary. Barky was rattled and his answers were all over the place. When he felt he made a mistake he would talk in circles to try and cover it up and seemed mad when Mccain pointed out his voting record and idiotic answers. He seemed extremely niave and uninformed in regards to foreign policy and John Mccain clearly wiped the floor with him.

    Barky should in no way be the head of this country. Oh, yeah, I like the fake story about his father being a goat herder. How long is going to be pushing that lie!

    • Zee

      Did you notice how he said his dad was from Kenya and then immediately muttered “that where I got the name” —- odd, is it not? That’s where you got the name “Barry?”

      • beverly leslie

        Yeah, I did notice, someone seemed insecure. Barky anyone?

  • MoniQue

    MCCAIN WON BIG TIME!

    the talking heads are either afraid they will be called a racist or they are seriously deluding themselves.

    DID YOU SEE THE TIC-TAC THAT OBAMA HAD CAUGHT ON HIS LIP?

    OR HOW OBAMA WAS STUDDERING?

    OR HOW OBAMA WAS LOOKING SOUR WITH A PISSY-PUS FACE OF A TEENAGE SPOILED BRAT.

    Don’t believe the liars on the elite media, obama LOST.

    MCCAIN-PALIN 2008!

  • hadenough

    Another “liberal media” talking point: obama was cool, calm

    I must have been watching a different debate.

    • Nay

      Cool, calm, and very confused.

      BS. I refuse to believe it for a second.

  • RJ

    I must admit that BO started off strong but further along into the debate , he was a bit back on his heels…went to the all familiar uhhh uhhh and at times went off topic. Overall McCain seemed more consistent and I thought it was a brilliant tactical maneuver driving the point home about BO being naive and not understanding…I think that will resonate. I also loved the remark about the presidential seal. McCain is without a doubt more knowledgeable in the area of foreign affairs and the POTUS with whom I would have much confidence to lead our nation and to handle any crisis no matter what it is. Though I believe McCain came out ahead…it didn’t seem like a game changer for either.

    McCain/Palin ’08 Country First
    Hillary ’12

    • Zee

      I agree, RJ.

      Ha, I’m glad you caught that zinger about the presidential seal…OMessiah must’ve been pissed!

  • caringnurse1

    Obamas favorite line of tonight: ” I agree with John.” LOL!

    • Chicago Joe

      I wonder how many times he did that tonight. We should string together all the I agree with Johns and Hillarys.

      • vinnie

        The guy on Fox said he said it 8 times…and McCain said “Senator Obama doesn’t understand” 7 times. LOL.

      • Jackie

        8 Times Barfy said I agree with John.

  • KC

    I liked how McCain kept pointing out when Obama didn’t understand how the world works.

  • Dan

    One thing that really turned me off was the way that Obama tried to interrupt McCain as he was speaking. That’s simply low-rent and rude.

    • Amy Crunch

      Yes and it was extremely arrogant. And his puppy dog Lehrer let him get away with it. But it evened out a lot later on.

      • waldenpond

        Yes, it evened out because McCain would just keep talking very softly and slowly until Obama stopped. McCain refused to recognize Obama was trying to interrupt… didn’t look at Obama, didn’t repeat a statement in case the audience didn’t hear… just kept talking softly.

        Lehrer helping Obama is already in McCain’s new commercial ‘John is Right’ Fun stuff.

        http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/26/john-is-right/

    • Nay

      I thought “Jim… Tim… uh… John” was probably my favorite of the night. Obama is not even aware of what the name of the person he’s running against is. Or he’s debating like he’s 15 years old.

  • caringnurse1

    Now I know why Obamas Earlier Text Messages said to watch the debate on CNN..He wanted us all to watch Biden afterward.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    Text your vote to 36288 !

  • Amy Crunch

    ** CNN BULLSHIT ALERT **

    The Obamacrats are pumping the CNN polls. This is important because they’re showing these results on screen. This is bullshit propaganda. It must be stopped.

    • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

      Ugh, I went there to vote. I really, really dislike that place. Must go purge image from my mind now.

    • Jules

      Fox now has McCain winning—82%

    • hadenough

      That cnn thing was planned by the obama camp. The oborg got their marching orders to go to cnn from an obama camp text message. Yeah, they are children.

    • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

      Of course they are.

      Look after the Primary and Dennis Kucinich winning on polls over all other candidates, these online polls have absolutely NO merit.

  • RottenFishArePeopleToo

    the Kos Kourtiers are freeping the polls

    Comprehensive list in a Kos diary here:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/26/19044/7434/435/611793

  • afgafg

    Union’s Wall Street Rally: Jail Not Bail
    Increase Decrease

    September 26, 2008 (LPAC)–The New York City Central Labor Council organized an emergency protest Thursday on Wall Street. Hundreds of construction workers, auto workers, transit workers, machinists, teachers and government workers rallied against the Bush bailout plan. Their signs called for jail, rather than payments, for the financier swindlers. AFL-CIO president John Sweeney said, “The Bush administration wants us to pay the freight for a Wall Street bailout that does not even begin to address the roots of our crisis…. We must put working families first in line,” Sweeney called for consequences for “the perpetrators of this disaster.”

    The crowd heard a statement sent by Machinists’ president Tom Buffenbarger urging prosecution of the intended bailout recipients as common criminals. Jesse Jackson told the rally, “This is a Roosevelt moment. It’s time for reconstruction of manufacturing law, trade law and banking transparency.”

    It looks like some in the United States may be ready to remember the lessons of Franklin Roosevelt.

  • lute

    McCain won.
    Fortunately for him, Hillary wasn’t there.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    I’m listening to the re-aired debate, and Obama looks mad. I don’t think this is going to go well with several Americans. Just my two cents. He seems very tense.

  • Nobama4me

    Mc Cain speaks from experience; Obama speaks theorically. The MSM will spin it as a victory for Obama. Take MSNBC: they interviewed a woman from the Obama campaign who said Obama was the clear winner blah, blah, blah… Tweety : ” and now we will have someone from the Mc Cain campaign…oops…we are out of time…”
    And I am not kidding.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    Obama looked angry in the debate. What the hell?!

    • Dan

      Obama does not like to be questioned. He resents the fact that the rest of us mere mortals can’t simply genuflect to his superior intellect.

      • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

        Obama looks angry. I really think this will not sit well with Americans.

  • Dan

    Don’t worry about these stupid polls. Anyone who watched that debate can see who won.

    The in-trade movement during the debate is the most telling factor. McCain’s odds on winning the election went up from 41% to 46% during the first half hour, and McCain only got stronger as the debate shifted to foreign policy. People voting with their money tell you who most people really think won.

  • Objective analysis

    CNN has lost all respect of fairness. Obama did not win this debate AT ALL. I have to respect http://www.drudgereport.com with a fairness of McCain whinning by 70%. This is ridiculous. Don’t even talk about MsNBC.

    PUMA 2008!

    • Linda OKC

      heck, the daily KOS gives you one choice on who won the debate

      Obama

      doesn’t even list McCains name lol

  • calli not your sweeti

    McCain had a great line about how he hadn’t had a chance to design himself a new presidential seal yet.
    Obambi came across as a petulant, angry child. There was an adult at the debate and then there was Obambi.

    • rw

      Glaring was also when speaking on Iraq, Obama used the word “tactic” and McCain came back with, Obama doesn’t understand the difference between “tactic” and “strategy”.

  • TxDi

    We thought that McCain did great and he did not have to rehearse for 3 or 4 days either.
    That is why we are voting for McCain/Palin!!!
    Experience that counts.
    Boy he sure sounded Presidential and did not interrupt obama (like obama did to Senator McCain) several times.
    Proudly (former Democrats) voting for McCain/Palin no matter how many debates there are. Our minds have been made up and we are Hispanics too!

  • cookiegramma

    thus far the fox vote is 82% McCain won debate.

    • Dan

      Has about as much validity as the “polls” from MSNBC and CNN.

      • McHope

        Except that FOX has twice their viewing audience and is NOT just an echo chamber of those already supporting Obama.

  • Peggy Sue

    I think on the financial questions, McCain could have been stronger. Frankly, I think his announcement to suspend his campaign was the mark of a true patriot. In this case, I don’t think he gave himself enough credit for what he actually did. But we don’t know what’s roiling behind the scenes, so I think he was guarded in his responses. In the end, it may prove it was another act of putting “country first” because the negotiations are ongoing and an imprudent comment or taking credit could screw the deal.

    When it came to foreign policy? Obama couldn’t hold a candle to John McCain. Obama may have studied for two weeks at Debate Camp but the inexperience showed through. There’s a difference between rote learning and experience on the ground. In that arena, there is simply no contest.

    John McCain is ready on Day One. Obama is pretending he knows more than he does. But that’s been his history, hasn’t it?

    Will it make a difference? Who the hell knows.

    We’ve got a month left until the elections. Lots can happen. May the gods favor the better, more competent man.

    McCain ’08

  • http://deleted afgafg

    Obama physically did not look well. Too tired? Too angry? Too much blush? Thought he looked darker and or more redder in hot bright lights. Not flattering…

    • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

      Obama definitely looked angry. Folks….you heard it from me first, I’m telling you…..that man is angry. His poor non-verbals will backfire on Obama.

    • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

      McCain looked fresh. He had more energy, more spirit than Obama.

  • Amy Crunch

    ** The Audience Rheostats **

    Oh brother. You all noticed these gadgets they rigged?

    Good grief! ;)

  • Double Rider

    They were both blathering idiots on the economy. Hillary would have hit it out of the ballpark.

    McCain ruled the foreign policy debate. Obama looks like the poser he really is. McCain understands foreign policy, Obama makes is up as he goes. McCain has been there, Obama may know where something is on a map.

    The biggest gaffe Obama made was to keep saying McCain is right. Obama writes McCain ads in is spare time. Amazing!

  • http://leftandrightpolitics.com Joanne

    I’ve got more to say and will come back tomorrow (I’m tired and need sleep) but I just had to come here and publicly ridicule Barack for the “I got a bracelet also” comment. Jeez….how old is he???

    • workingclass artist

      ROFLAMO….Yeah the bracelet thingy was priceless…
      Barky….why oh why is he even up there…what an embarrassment…truly…

    • rw

      Yeah, wasn’t that pathetic. The world is laughing at this guy, and laughing at us, how stupid can Americans continue to be. Obama is an embarrassment.

    • Carolyn Mann

      The thing I found priceless about that exchange, in addition to the “me too” moment, was that Obama had to look down to read the name on the bracelet he was wearing. If he’d been wearing the darn thing for days, weeks or months (not sure when he got it), you’d think he’d know the name of the soldier he was supposed to be remembering. What a poser.

  • Craig

    I strongly suggest people get a transcript. Here’s one place where McCain out and out lied. He said: “Back in 1983, when I was a brand-new United States congressman, the one — the person I admired the most and still admire the most, Ronald Reagan, wanted to send Marines into Lebanon.

    And I saw that, and I saw the situation, and I stood up, and I voted against that, because I was afraid that they couldn’t make peace in a place where 300 or 400 or several hundred Marines would make a difference. Tragically, I was right: Nearly 300 Marines lost their lives in the bombing of the barracks.”

    Reagan sent the Marines into Lebanon in 1982, BEFORE McCain became a member of Congress. I haven’t traced it yet but I believe there wasn’t a vote in Congress in the first place. Reagan simply sent 800 troops. There might have been something in 1983 by way of a continued funding bill but the troops were already there. That means McCain would not have been supporting the troops.

    • hadenough

      That’s nice dear. Now run along.

    • rw

      Idiot, the troops were sent in, removed, and sent back in….in a peace keeping mission, unarmed.

    • Mr.Murder

      And staying in Iraq indeterminately makes far less sense that being in Beirut did(which didn’t make sense either), which was an easier supply point from the Mediterranean….

      Remember Lebanon?
      The Sister State?
      They were going to be a shining example of Democracy alongside Israel, to help change the middle east!

      Rumsfeld even (mis)directed that operation.

      • Dan

        Oh, so by all means let’s withdraw from Iraq at once like Obama wants to do and let Al-Qaeda and Iran rush right back in and take over.

        That sure would make the Middle East a better place, wouldn’t it?

        What’s going to happen is that, thanks to men like John McCain and David Patraeus who wouldn’t accept defeat in Iraq when detestable chickenshits like Harry Reid and Barack Obama wanted to give up, tuck tail and run, Iraq will ultimately become a modern democracy operating under the rule of law, capable of providing for its own defense, and serving as both a bulwark against Iran as well as a positive example for the rest of the arab world.

        No doubt you aren’t smart enough to be able to appreciate what that means for our long-term security, but most people are.

      • rw

        Idiot #2, the reason for the failure in Lebannon is that it was a proxy war between Syria and Israel, and the US got caught in the middle….in peace keeping, at the request of the Lebannon govt.

        The biggest mistake made after the bombing of the barracks was to have pulled out the troops without taking out Hezbollah positions in the Bekaa Valley….BIG mistake from which Lebannon is still suffering today. Reagan was tunneled vision and obsessed with the USSR, so he just pulled out without retaliating….Reagan made the call.

    • Paul3triple

      your wrong man, you ARE lying. McCain has told this story before and he was a member of the house before the senate.
      He told the same story at saddleback.

    • Jackie

      October 23rd 1983 was the attack on the marine Barracks.

      You have the date wrong. McCain was right in the debate and right on the deployment. My childhood buddy Steve GOmez died there.

      • cplummer

        A Navy medic friend of mine died in the barrack’s bombing too. Go read a better history book.

        • cplummer

          My comment was in rssponse to: Comment by Craig | 2008-09-26 22:43:57

  • Danny

    Obama was so out gunned he looked absolutly pathetic.

  • Amy Crunch

    Why do CNN employ ACORN people as commentators when all they’re going to do is smear Obama’s opponents? Roland Martin? Is that his name? They should put him in a dark cell together with Donna Brazile. And throw away the key. Migod how disgusting.

  • Thinker

    Obama really did look angry, and I wonder about his lack of self-control.

    McCain was calm, and schooling him.

    • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

      McCain did look comfortable and positive. Obama was angry.

      • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

        Obama was nothing but a punk.

        Arrogant, smart ass, an agitated.

        • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

          Obama acted like a “Rookie” cop. Anal retentive and ready to fire off without thinking about his actions and non-verbal skills.

          He’s an angry looking man.

          I tell ya what. My gut tells me this will not sit well AT ALL with the majority of Americans.

          • Thinker

            great points!!

            I’m pretty sure that most Americans and the whole world saw how angry Obama was tonight. we all saw his lack of self-control.

            It’s not a good look.

            I was watching BBC News, and the McCain footage looked very Presidential. BBC seemed impressed about McCain saying that he wouldn’t just attack Pakistan, how he wants to build alliances with the people living there,etc

  • tzada

    lol @ bracelet too ….
    76174 McCain

    32515the The man who has no middle name

    • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

      Oh, I know, that was soooo bad.

      “I have a bracelet too, John”

  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

    Kissinger has already shot down Obama.

    So what did Obama expect? Did Obama not realize Kissinger would shoot him down? Obama thinks Kissinger is his friend?

    Obama set himself up to be shot down by Dr. K. An example of Obama’s dangerous naivete.

    • Steve1

      Its called the big lie, get it out there on national TV? What corrupt MSM is going to report on Mr. Kissinger’s denial?

      • HRocks

        Fox reported Dr Kissinger’s rebuttal to Obama

      • Peggy Sue

        Fox reported a statement by Kissinger, flatout stating that Obama had totally misrepresented his position. Obama was wrong, period.

        In the foreign policy section, Obama was lame.

        Go back to Debate Camp, BO! You flunked.

  • Steve1

    I usually don’t comment regarding looks, but Soetoro-Obama looked especially horrible. Those deep purple lips and that haggard appearance. Ummmm, that is either a sign of illness or some type of drug use. Anywhy, me too Barack, appeared silly to me, agreeing with McCain, Looky, I have a braclet, toooo! Those smirks and look of anger, little boots, didn’t look well at all. Just think of all the time they invested in this dude’ performance and he comes across as a offended, effete charlatan. Core Dems for Clinton. As I recall he used these similar, me too tactics with Senator Clinton. OMG, can you imagine this fist-bumper sitting with V Putin?

    • yttik

      He really did look bad. His skin was ashen, he was sweaty, and he was inapropriately angry. Something just isn’t right with him.

      I just felt sick watching him, but he actually looked sick.

    • MacDonald

      Do you remember the Eddie Murphy/Arsenio Hall movie, Coming To America and the Afro sheen hair product they spoofed in the movie, Soul-Glo? I think Obama was wearing that, his hair was extremely oily wet and shiny so that the lights would reflect off his hair to give the appearance of a an aura or halo in certain camera angles.

  • Jaxxy

    Favorite line (McCain’s response to bo’s 2nd insistance that he would engage hostile countries without preconditions): “Oh, puleeze.”

    McCain knows what preconditions are. It was abundantly clear that bo was confusing the term “preconditions” with diplomacy or international sanctions. They aren’t the same things.

    And no matter whatever else you might think of Henry Kissinger, McCain’s personal knowledge of him over a 35 year period was impressive and I think he brought him up in this way to press the issue of his substantial body of practical knowledge that bo just doesn’t possess.

  • Babs

    My sister-in-law, who is the most unpolitically informed person I know, watched the entire debate tonight. After it was over, she said to my brother, “Senator McCain really seems to know what he’s talking about”. Not a ringing endorsement, I know, but an overall impression by someone who pays absolutely no attention to the day by day drama unfolding in this election.

  • Bob

    It was no contest…. If it was a prize fight they woulld have stopped it…. Obama kept making faces the whole debate out of frustration….Look at his body language after the debate… He knows he lost…The state legislature is not ready to be president regardless of what CNN and MSNBC say- McCain trounced Barry Obama

  • SensibleWomanNOTforBO

    I was listening via my Blackberry TV connection and although I could’ve watched as well as listened I only listened so I didn’t see facial expressions or body language. I had my Blackberry to my ear through the entire debate.

    I thought McCain sounded much more composed, together, straight forward, direct, to the point. I heard naive, inexperienced, not ready a lot towards and at the end. The last statement Mac made about knowing how to deal with friends and adversaries stood out to me. It was a good way to end with the words “I know”. It was the sound of confidence and assurance to me.

    A soundbite stood out to me and it was by Mac about not having a seal yet. Instant giggle for me.

    I could hear a lack of rhythm coming from BO. His voice was strong a few times, but when it was I could hear anger. I heard BO try several times to interrupt and he sounded defensive and frankly, rude. I heard lies about coming out right away after Russia attacked Georgia. My reaction was a big GASP at the audacity of the lie because EVERYBODY knows how badly he flunked that moment when it happened.

    As for the issues debated and who came out ahead, I’d say Mac was strongest on foreign policy and national security by far and sounded the most confident. Barack was maybe in a sense successful IMHO in getting digs in about the economy going down during the last few years and trying to make that stick to Mac. But, I think he was successful only because I think these points will stick in the minds of those that aren’t paying close attention to the current circumstances but hear any of comments/info/whatever from that part of the debate.

    However, I also heard Mac point out that he had opposed much of the Bush stuff that effected our economy. Defensive he was, but I did hear him draw a contrast between himself and the Bush administration IMO.

    On another note, had a short discussion this evening with a friend that has NOT been paying close attention to the campaign, but is instead someone hearing noise in the background of her daily life. She was/is a Hillary supporter. Moved over to McCain when Hillary left the race. Her answer when I asked what her first thought is when she hears anything regarding Obama was a strong, “I’m SICK of hearing about Obama.”

    Asked her what she thinks of him. She was hesitant in her response to my question as she SEARCHED for the right words to communicate to me that she doesn’t like to see him. It was obvious to me that she was concerned about being called racist and I guarantee you she is not. She said the best way to explain what she was trying to convey is to say she doesn’t like his demeanor. My take on that comment is that he just sends out negative vibes that rub some the wrong way.

  • Amy Crunch

    CNN polls results are coming in and they’re talking about dramatic trends for Obama. Don’t shoot the messenger! ;)

    • Amy Crunch

      It’s interesting that the people in the CNN studio – with the exception of bullfrog Brazile – called it themselves for McCain; but that those polled saw it differently.

      • snosandy

        Did you know the Obama campaign sent out a text message today (to those who signed up to hear his VP choice via text) to watch the debate tonite on CNN. Can you believe a campaign would recommend watching the debate on a specific channel?!!

        So it’s obvious why their vote is skewed. But, then again, look at Fox’s (82% McCain won, 15% Obama).

    • Dan

      It’s CNN. Serously, what do you expect?

      Look at what happened on in-trade during the debate. McCain’s odds of winning rose dramatically during the course of the debate as people were putting down money on McCain.

      That’s the most reliable indicator you can have of who the public actually thinks did better.

      • tampagurl

        Oh Gee, and Fox said John McCain won 86-16%. Guess it just depends on what station you watch.

    • VMorris

      Why would anyone trust any poll?

    • Bob

      The dems told their followers to jam the pole results Did the same thing when Kerry ran and guess what he got his ass kicked Back then I was a Democrat But I will never vote for that angry loser

    • Steve1

      Yes, you believe the polls….you know the Bots are up to their antics, with their phone calling! I don’t believe the MSM, especially CNN, Rev Manning calls it the Cable Negro Network. Look what they said regarding New Hampshire, its the end for Senator Clinton. They had eveeryone believeing Soetoro-Obama was going to win. Now get me a break. When this election cycle is over with, we are going to deal with the corporate controlled media. Its criminal what they have have been pulling for a long-time. We will bring them to account!

      • Jaxxy

        Steve, let me know where to sign up on the media makeover. I’ve got several other issues on my list since the end of the primaries but bringing the MSM to heel is probably the most important. They are robbing us of our democracy.

      • Jaxxy

        Steve, let me know where to sign up on the media makeover. I’ve got several other issues on my list since the end of the primaries but bringing the MSM to heel is probably the most important. They are robbing us of our democracy.

        • athena

          Count me in on that one as well. It has really become disgusting!

  • LDW

    On CBS tonight I saw Katie Couric announce these figures with an accompanying graphic, so I went to the CBS webisite and read:

    September 26, 2008, 11:02 PM
    Early Poll Results Suggest More Uncommitted Voters Saw Obama As Debate Winner
    Posted by Brian Montopoli
    “Sixty-eight percent of uncommitted voters think Obama would make the right decisions about the economy. Forty-one percent think McCain would.”

    Uh………….68% + 41% = 109% …Americans may be giving their all, but you can’t have more than 100% of Americans.

  • DAB

    McCain showed heart tonight and was quite personable. I know that Obama said a lot, but frankly can’t remember a word of it other than he wants to save money by spending more. His staccato delivery became tedious as time wore on and I agree he often seemed peeved.

    McCain spoke in ways that are understandable to most people while Obama spoke to others as his subjects.

    A few good zingers by McCain too — Presidential seal best of night. Obama displayed no humor other than a few wide, horsey grins.

    • Amy Crunch

      His staccato delivery became tedious as time wore on

      Yes but they both have annoying things about them. McCain has that Sean Connery whistle. Compared to Hillary they’re just third rate candidates the both of them. This could have been exciting times! ;)

  • mcpalin hill

    Fox Poll McCain 82% Obama 15% undecided 1%.

    • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

      Link please. :)

      • HARP

        The word FOX was a clue.

        • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

          I went to FOX and don’t see the polls. I’m not on the FOX. I’m watching Cspan.

  • HARP

    I didn`t know they could pile shit that high.

  • mel

    Obama still raises his hand tonight like a school kid needig to go pee

  • Michelle

    All I know is that I can’t even believe how in the tank CNN is for Obama – tonight Obama did OK, McCain did better – but for whatever reason (like we don’t know about this liberal bias), Obama supposedly “knocked it out of the park!”

    • dee4hill

      Why is CNN in the tank for Obama?

      Two words: Donna Brazile

      McCain won the debate, hands down.

      McCain/Palin ’08
      Hillary ’12

    • wonderwoman

      Did anybody see how Cristanne said John McCain said the president of Iran’s name wrong and Anderson slapped her back down?

      • Leisa

        Moat Americans would have a hard time with that name, so it made him one of us.

  • Sam

    As a small business owner I am terrified of what Obama will do to us. It was clear tonight that he intends to punish businesses, who only suffer “on paper.” OMG, what does he know? He has never had to compete with overseas cheap labor or make a payroll or deal with intrusive government demands and taxes that are already through the roof. I pray every night that arrogant and “clueless” Obama will lose.

    • Bob

      Obama will raise employment taxes and capital gains taxes

    • AnninCA

      yes, and I thought Mac could have explained that better to the public.

    • yttik

      I’m a small business too. I’m also what Obama refers to as “rich”. That’s laughable, but it’s also kind of frightening.

      We’re struggling to cope with new regulations, increased insurence prices, high gas prices, increased cost of materials. I don’t have to tell you what a tax increase would do to us. First thing we’d have to cut is employees. We’ve already cut everything else.

      • Carolyn Mann

        I’m also a small business owner and wonder if you’re “rich” because you file as a sole proprietorship or Subchapter S? You don’t have to answer that question — it’s too personal. But people I know who file this way are going to get hit hard by Obama’s plan because they report their profits on their personal income tax returns. They then lend whatever the tax man doesn’t take back to their companies for operating capital. The higher the taxes, the less operating capital they’re left with to pay salaries, benefits, and all the other things you talk about.

  • mel

    Public speaking of a canned speech is when the speaker continually says “Two points or one final point”

    Who did this continually all night?

  • HARP
    • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

  • http://www.liberalrapture.com/ John

    The kissinger exchange is the most important moment. Obama flat out lied. There is footage of him lying tonight and footage of what he has said in the past..
    His campaign quickly “rewrote” what Obama said after he made his foolish remarks in the spring. In essence he implied that FDR and Truman met with the enemy. This is out right nonsense.
    youtube – someone make the youtube!
    Compare the two BHO statements.

  • MrMike

    So how long until Obama brushes off his shoulder at a rally? What about stroking the side of his jaw when he mentions John McCain? Or, “When Alzheimer’s sufferers are feeling down, they tend to lash out.”?

  • Deidre

    I find it very telling that both CNN and FOX commentators called the debate essentially a “draw” whereas MSNBC Olbermann said “it’s clear who won the debate tonight.”

    I also noted MSNBC’s choice of Obama ads this evening immediately after the debate.

    • MrMike

      Oberman probably had his DNA running down his leg when ever Obama opened his pie hole.

  • Brandon

    My honest opinion of the debate was that they both held up well in it. I was honestly expecting Obama to get his ass handed to him on foreign policy, but I didn’t see that happening. McCain’s knowledge on foreign policy is unrivaled, but I think Obama held his own.

    What I did notice though was McCain’s anger. At points in the debate, it appeared as though he was grinding his teeth, and it was obvious that Obama was getting to him, especially when it came to the discussion on pre-conditions, and what Kissinger actually said.

    Overall, I have alot of respect for Senator McCain and his service to this country. I just didn’t see a knock out from either of them.

    • ohio

      Brandon, I don’t know what debate you were watching but the one I saw definitely had Obama making faces off screen, seemed visibly shaken. I will do everything I can to make sure Obama is not elected. He will be bad for business and bad for this country.

    • Dan

      A knockout? No. But McCain clearly came off as the more composed, better informed, and more “presidential” of the two men.

      In particular, the way that Obama kept trying to interrupt McCain as he was speaking came across as both childish and rude to me.

    • wonderwoman

      McCain did a good job of controlling himself I would have been all over Barack.

  • AnninCA

    McCain absolutely was convincing in a way O wasn’t. Even on the economy. I thought I’d die when O said he wouldn’t even give up new early childhood programs. Hello? Anyone home?

    On Afghanastan and Pakistan, Mac was reassuring. O sounded entirely too ready to get us into a mess without a plan.

    On Iraq, obviously, Mac has a handle.

    More important, Mac didn’t let him pull a single stunt. Not one. Every single ridiculous meme was shot down.

    Mostly, I liked how he put him down over the recent Kissinger/Palin crud. I’m so sick of the anti-Palin nonsense;.

  • http://deleted afgafg

    Paulson Plan: A Mega Bailout For British Banks

    September 26, 2008 (LPAC)–Just as Lyndon LaRouche has warned the mega bailout plan of U.S. reasury Secretary Hank Paulson is a big give away to bailout the Her Majesty’s banking system. Today’s Times of London, the mouthpiece of the British establishment, reports that the five top British banks could grab as much as 25 percent of Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson’s 700 billion dollar mega bailout plan. British banks hold no less than $175 billion (95.3 billion pounds) of “distress assets”.

    The Times writes, “If the British banks tap the rescue fund, being set up by the U.S. Treasury and the Federal Reserve to the maximum, they could secure one quarter of the $700 billion being made available.”

    The breakdown of what these banks are holding is the following: HSBC, the flagship of the British Empire, holds 45 billion pounds; Barclays, 17.4 billion pounds; Royal Bank of Scotland, 16.2 billion pounds; HBOS, 13.3 billion pounds; Lloyds TSB, which now owns HBOS, 3.4 billion pounds.

    Another confirmation that the British Banks are nothing more than Zombies is the fact that the Bank of England announced this morning that it will be pumping an addition 55 billion pounds into the financial system. Included is an offering to lend $30 billion in U.S. dollar funds for one week. The first such operation will be an auction for 40 billion pounds maturing on Thursday January 15, 2009, an obvious move to get Britain’s Zombie banks past the last quarter. The BOE will be accepting mortgage backed securities as collateral. This operation is being coordinated with the European Central Bank, the Swiss Central Bank and the Federal Reserve. The Swiss are offering 9 billion dollars which the ECB is offering $35 billion.

  • Melisa

    Has anyone been polled? The website ones are meaningless: just reflective of who watches which station….
    I mean real “called on the phone” polled?
    I have never gotten one of those special calls.

  • Stewie

    Go to drudge.com to vote on who won the debate. McCain’s ahead.

    Just say no to Obama Bin Biden.

  • Bob

    Drudge Report 68% think John McCain won the debate

  • Stewie

    Go to drudge.com to vote on who won the debate. McCain’s ahead.

  • Ana

    I think it is important to point out, that John McCain came from Washington after spending a whole day negotiating not studying like Barack Obama did.

    • Jaxxy

      Or hitting the gym.

  • Amy Crunch

    Does history repeat itself?

    - JFK was a media creation.

    - Nixon was another Republican after 8 years of Republican rule.

    - JFK also had a creep and a crook as a running mate.

    - JFK stood on the right in the television debate; Obama stood on the left.

    My misgivings: in ways I’m more comfortable with the idea of Obama as prez than before. Based solely on what transpired in the debate.

    But JFK was more of an open book. People knew who he was. If they didn’t know then they could find out.

    With Obama you can’t. ;)

    Obama is still in many ways a Manchurian candidate.

    Why didn’t McCain point out that his girlfriend Penny Pritzker had a dinner the other night for that Iranian maniac? Hello? To me that’s very Manchurian!

    G’night! Love you all! ;)

    PS. McCain is right about military strategy.

    PPS. Obama was wearing a flag pin. ;)

    • Steve1

      Amy, who are you trying o convince?

  • Joy

    Both did a good job. No knock outs or gaffs by either candidate. Some on the prior thread went on and on about what the candidates’ wives were wearing (who gives a damn) so here is my take on the candidates’ fashion. Someone needs to help McCain with his clothes choices before the next debate. Poor choice in suit color and the tie has to go.

    • Dan

      I thought that the tie should have been a darker color. The pale yellow tie combined with his very white skin made him look a little washed out. But I thought the suit was fine. He just needs to wear a bright red or bright blue tie for the next debate.

      • Jaxxy

        Dan, you need to get your color scale calibrated. Both wore red ties tonight. Mac’s was striped. :)

        • http://deleted Buzz Latte

          yup. Red stripes and it looked upbeat against Obama’s undertaker looking suit and angry glare.

  • cookiegramma

    Stewie, no one has ever called this house either for a poll. I think they try to concentrate in cities and I live in a small town.

  • Steve1

    SOetoro-Obama looked like a drug addicted or sick person. He couldn’t controll his outbursts of anger, always trying to interupt Senator McCain. Those deep=purple lips, they are eith a sign of illness or drug consumption. He didn’t look well at all?

    • Thinker

      smh @ Obama’s drug-crazed anger.

      There were moments when I thought that he would totally go crazy and try to physically attack McCain or something.

      We know how the Obama’s like to get thuggish. Remember Michelle wants to scratch Bill’s eyes out and Obama likes to talk about guns & knifefights.

      I was looking at him tonight thinking, “Is he ‘on’ something?” wth?

      • ziggy

        It seemed pretty clear to me that John McCain was the guy occasionally trying to keep his anger bottled up. Obama was respectful, even when on the attack, and actually conceded the point several times when McCain said something he agreed with.

  • calli not your sweeti

    As for texting who you think won the debate – my mother doesn’t know how to text, so who’s really voting in these polls?

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/ Truthteller

    Thank you for visiting the blog, everyone. I enjoyed discussing the debate in the other thread, and I enjoyed reading your comments.

  • Tristan

    I thought Obama did better on the economy at the beginning and McCain did better on foreign policy, especially at the end where he was able to link Obama’s bad judgement on the surge, Georgia, and Iran.

    Unfortunately the economy is more of an issue to most Americans, so that may actually be a win for Obama. And McCain was relatively weak at defending economic policies that favor growth, so I think that Obama’s platform will come across as more “compassionate” towards a scared middle class.

    Now I follow the race closely and know his economic platform is just a class warfare retread, that he’s never cut taxes in his life, and that he’s going to kill the domestic energy industry and business in general. But if I put myself in an average voters eyes, i would have to say that Obama did better on the more important issue, the economy.

    • ziggy

      The economy and domestic policy will be the actual topic of the 3rd debate, October 15th. It should be interesting, considering recent events.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    Vote on http://www.politico.com folks! :)

  • PewL

    Obama called Bush McCain’s President .Anyone else hear that line…I thought Bush was every American citizen’s President…Obama is out of touch,if he doesn’t consider Bush his president also,imo,Or does this comment go with Michelles comments as being proud for the first time?

    • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

      Good call. Thanks for pointing that out.

    • tampagurl

      Yes I heard that. I also noticed Obama has me-itis. He constantly says I did this and that and I was the first one to do this or that.

      He even did it the other day when McCain announced he was going back to Washington and called Obama to ask him to join him. Obama made an announcement and said I called John first but didn’t reach him. Yeah right! This guy has an ego problem and acts like a child.

    • Jaxxy

      I noticed also on the question of Russia that bo’s remarks were escalating and speculative — more theoretical oratory from his campaign rather than the substance Mac responded with.

      Additionally, bo referred to his “bipartisan work in the senate” regarding Russia’s nuclear capabilities” and his standard hype about “being the first” to point out so many of the points being made. Would someone please check on bo’s comment that he “warned the administration” early about Russia’s agression. I know these guys have incredible access to these issues even on the campaign trail but this sounds like typical bo hyping his actual actions in the senate.

      And it was like finger nails on a chalkboard listening to bo try to talk over or interrupt Mac. he can’t stand for somebody else to disagree with him.

    • wonderwoman

      Obama sure came running to Washington when his president called. I know whether you like Bush or not he is our president.

  • lark

    All that Barky needs is another crisis in two weeks so that he can suspend his campaign, go home to ask Michelle what to do, and then excuse himself off the next debate permanently.

  • Bob

    I did not leave the democratic party it left me NO OBAMA

  • SWPAnnA

    Matthews is frustrated that McCain wouldn’t look at his opponent. He spins it as McCain failing to give the courtesy deserved by his counterpart. “Is it an inferiority complex? Is it Guilt? Embarassment or Contempt? What is that about?”

    Geez! McCain carefully addressed him as Senator Obama yet wasn’t accorded similarly formal respect. Heck, bo only called him “John” MOST of the time. His tongue was too tied to even get his opponent’s name right consistently.

  • catherine

    McCain hit it out of the park with smarts, guts, and conviction. He knew his history and his record. I am more sure of my vote for him than ever.

    Hillary 08. if not,
    McCain/Palin 08

  • jyotinc

    As usual a lot of “ditto” from BO. You can tell he really memorize his lines, he failed to answer the questions many times.

    He tried many times to interrupt McCain, couldn’t wait for his turn.

    BO shows his naivete’.

  • heather

    I just heard the question asked on TV “Why didn’t John McCain ever look at Obama?” So we’re not the only ones who noticed.

    My view: Sometimes you dislike a person so much, you don’t trust yourself to look at them without showing your true feelings. That is, honest and authentic people have that experience. Authentic people express their beliefs in everything they do. John McCain is such a person.

  • Maverick

    Did anyone see how spectacular Cindy McCain looked? WOW! Her red garbadine pant suit had a sci fi style. WOW! she is beautiful inside and out. She looks perfect in Red! She is awesome!

    • Brendy

      Yes, Cindy looks GREAT in red and that shade of red was PERFECT; it was definitely an ‘attention getter’. Wasn’t MEchelle wearing a sleeveless (sp?) dress? It wasn’t very pretty either; I’m a female – so I can say those kind of things…LOL!

    • John House

      My gf commented the same thing. She asked me how old she was because she said she looked no older than 40.

      CINDY IS HOTT. TWO T’s. HOTT.

  • DanL

    FOX NEWS ALERT: Henry Kissinger told fox news just now he is very upset about Obama quoting his position…Said Obama is WRONG and that he agrees with McCains position!..oh MY!!

    • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

      Obama is a FRAUD.

    • Tristan

      Ooo – someone threw Obama under the bus…

      This is what happens when you drop names all the time like Obama does. Eventually someone says “hey, actually i said the complete opposite and this clown’s misquoting me” and you look like a fool.

      Name dropping is also a sign that you’re completely insecure. That’s according to my good friend Clint Eastwood of course. Yeah, we hang out all the time, he thinks I’m awesome.

  • miriam

    I just don’t think these debates matter in terms of who said what. It’s the overall impression of each candidate that most people will decide to vote for. If debates did matter then how to account for Bush’s two terms. Gore and Kerry both clearly “won” the debates on content and knowledge, but Bush is president. Obama was a little too smooth, a little too rehearsed, and irritating as hell when he does that grade school hand waving to get attention. McCain is solid, trustworthy, and experienced, and even if people disagree with some of his policies, as I do on Iraq, I think most sane Americans (which excludes the Obama crazed luantics) will vote for him on his personal qualities.

    • sandy gonzo

      Im sorry, and i voted for Gore, but he acted like a fool in the debates

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    I so love how McCain called Obama naive!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :lol:

  • Maverick

    Obama looked like someone closed the door on his d&ck. Classic. He had too much makeup on. It was running and changing shades.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      Obama is just looking worse and worse as the campaign wears on. By that, I mean he looks UNHEALTHY.

      He also looked damn mean. His eyes were just vicious and scary. I don’t see how anyone can look at that man and call him a “lightworker.”

      • tampagurl

        I thought he looked mean and under handed. He also reminded me of a flim flam man (con artist).

      • Brendy

        But, but, but Obama was SUPPOSED to make McCain lose his temper and get mad – it just backfired. HA! Way to go Big Mac!

        You could tell Obama was trying his best to maintain his ‘cool’.

  • elise

    This was a good debate. Jim Lehrer was flexible and even handed. McCain was stronger IMO, but my husband listened on the car radio while traveling and he was disappointed he didn’t attack Obama on the issues of ACORN, Freddie and Fanny. Of course, my husband is not a politician and would never be elected dog-catcher because he doesn’t know how to be anything but blunt. Still, it’s depressing all our leaders live in glass houses so no one can be completely truthful.

    • Brendy

      elise – in these debates with Obama, McCain HAS to be very careful; if he mentioned anything about ACORN, Freddie and Fanny – that would seem ‘racist’. I know, one can’t state FACTS without being considered a racist. ACORN, Freddie and Fannie (sp?) were designed to help low income, minorities. Hillary (and Bill) were branded as ‘racist’ because they dared to ‘tell it like it is’, so McCain can’t make the same ‘mistake’. Sad, isn’t it?

  • ziggy

    Well, there’s one thing I decided during tonight’s debate: If I hear John’s Miss Congeniality joke again, my head just might explode.

    • sandy gonzo

      it’s gotten kind of cute.

    • HRocks

      First time I heard that McCain was not Miss Congeniality, it was cute.

  • http://NeedtoKnow need to know

    Freedom Fighter: I don’t think it was low for McCain to mention Hillary…they are good friends. But thot’ is was soooo predictable for Barry Soetero to mention his Dad was from Kenya (sort of saying, “by the way, I’m black”, yet again!) Barry must be so mad that nobody is playing the race card, so he has to keep bringing it up again and again.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    Is it me or does Obama enjoy hearing himself talk? He’s a bit choppy. McCain was calm, cool and collected.

    Obama got schooled.

  • Anonymus

    it looked like obama had some kind of makeup on to make him look blacker

  • texaslatina

    steve1- i was thinking the same thing about oblahblah’s purple lips! he just grosses me out! i thought his eyebrows and eyelids looked awfully made up. he looked like he was wearing pink eyeshadow.

  • K Bentley

    What was so important, and I don’t know if it is to anyone else, Obama’s remark about Pakistan. McCain said: “You don’t say things like that out loud! You don’t say you’d bomb another country that we’re trying to make an ally.”

    For some time I’ve heard BHO claim our military is so thin, so are our resources… blah blah. How could he say things to demote our country when all the world listens? He also said this in his European treck.

  • IndieDogg

    Please, call the referee. There’s something very wrong here. Since when do we grade debates on whether or not somebody showed up and didn’t mispronounce their own name?

    News flash to the News: You can actually do better than the other person in a debate. In some places, they actually have debate competitions. Do CNN and the rest of the bobble headed pundits know that?

    [A quick aside: Listen, people, this is a huge issue for me -- what qualifications must one have -- to be a pundit -- what, for example, was the subject of Chris Matthews' PhD pundit thesis? These loud mouths go on television and have opinions. That's what they do. What is it about them that means I should give their opinion any more weight than the guy flipping my eggs at Waffle House (where I hope BHO goes, rather than the White House -- he'd be happier and we'd all be better off)? ]

    Back to the subject.

    Since when did the measure of winning or losing a debate became not wetting yourself?

    If Obama…

    …who is not the “Front Runner” by the way — they tried that with Hillary and it, eventually, killed her and now, they’re carted it out again — simply not true — look at the state by state, county by county polls and talk to people — remember the “silent majority” — well, they’re out there and they’re called “18% undecided” — and, trust me, polls, as tight as they are, are not picking up all the PUMA vote because PUMA’s are playing POSSUM — sorry to spring that one on you, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, NewYorkObamaTimes — but there it is…

    …doesn’t go on national television and say, “I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I do, I do sleep with underage Leprechaun’s and I’m secretly married to a wonderful, caring, man, a Longshoreman named Chip Delicious — well, that’s his stage name — his regular name is Horace Purl — and I apologize for ever running for anything — it’s all the acid I dropped after my mother sold me to the principal of my school and…” well, you get the picture.

    Is that the best you pundits can do? Barry didn’t fall over or fart (that loud — I mean, I didn’t hear it, if he did it — so props to him on that one) or molest a nun on stage so it’s a TIE?????!!!!!

    I know, no caps, but that just screamed out for it.

    Okay, it’s just getting curiouser and curiouser.

    Do you wonder why, right after the debate is over, they’re not out in Des Moines (which is in Iowa, Barack) talking to voters but, rather, are spending hours on end telling the voters how they, the official punditia emeritus, have scored the match?

    Listen. If the lion eats the gladiator, the lion won. There is no “tie” for showing up and looking “gladiator like” while being eaten.

    John McCain = Lion Heart.

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    McCain did a good job of pointing out Obama’s passion for earmarks and pork barrel projects.

    And the way Obama stutters like Porky Pig, it is no wonder he bullied his way to the head of the trough during just two years in his Senate Job.

  • Diana

    I think Obama made a major mistake tonight. He went back to his stance on Pakistan. He talks about McCain and Iran, he wants to go invade a country that is trying to work with us, that has nuclear weapons and will use them. Sitting down with leaders like Ahmadinejad…he fell back into his far left positions. After trying for the past few weeks to prove he’s a centrist. That he wants Bi-partisan reform. He misquoted Kissinger…

    That is not the way to win Independents. When McCain answered first he would take what McCain said and run with it. The same way he did with Hillary. He talked about HAMAS, he brought HAMAS into the discussion, but remained silent on Syria and the role they play with Iran.
    http://tinyurl.com/3orpga

    • Brendy

      I don’t understand this whole war thing. If Obama and his supporters want to get our soldiers out of Iraq and BRING THEM HOME, why then, does he (Obama) want to put more troops in Pakistan – and his ‘fans’ seem o.k. with this? All this would be doing is just rearranging the troops from one area (Iraq) to another area (Pakistan). Our soliders would STILL be in harm’s way. I thought Obama and his supporters are against this war – doesn’t matter what country our troops are stationed in. Doesn’t make sense to me.

  • IndianaDem

    Obama was wearing a flag pin on his lapel tonight, but McCain wasn’t. Where’s the outrage?

    • Jaxxy

      McCain nearly came home from Vietnam draped in an American flag. I hope your question is sarcastic and not literal because if it is literal you certainly have a lot of nerve.

      • Brendy

        Jaxxy – I doubt Indiana Dem KNOWS what THAT means (‘draped in an American flag’). I’m a Hoosier myself and people like ‘Indiana Dem’ give us true American Hoosiers a bad name.

        • Indiana Dem

          The question was humorously posed, Brendy.

          BTW, I’m an old Vietnam vet, as well as an American Hoosier. I’ve seen that flag flying when mortar rounds were falling. Literally.

          • Jaxxy

            Thanks for the clarification on your question, Indiana Dem. I’m not a Hoosier, but from the Evergreen state — and a vet of the Air Force, though haven’t been in combat. My brother also served in Vietnam. Thanks for your service, friend.

    • stodghie

      indiana dem, are you really that small and lacking in understanding of this campaign? i guess since you write like a bot. OBAMA MADE THE FLAG AND ALL THINGS PATRIOTIC THE ISSUE. GO DO YOUR DANG HOMEWORK. HECK HE DOESN’T EVEN REFER TO MCCAIN AND BUSH BY THEIR PROPER TERMS AND THAT AS SENTATOR AND PRESIDENT. GET HIS SORRY AXX OFF CENTER STAGE AND SOON. GO VOTE FOR HIM IF YOU WISH. I AM SORRY FOR YOU.

  • just me

    Obama has the most liberal voting of the senate.

    Its too hard to reach over so far from the left to vote..

    Laugh…

    • athena

      McCain was pithy tonight. It worked for him too.

  • Brendy

    I almost didn’t watch tonight because I absolutely CANNOT STAND to hear Obama’a voice. BUT, to his credit – Obummer didn’t stutter or go ‘ah’, ‘uh’ very much. As others have suggested, he seemed ‘prepped’ as if trying to memorize what he’d been told how to answer – maybe THAT’S why he was in such a frenzy to make SURE that tonight’s debate was still held – he didn’t want to forget what he ‘learned’ during his crash course with his 300 advisors.

    McCain seemed sincere and spoke from the heart – like he was actually talking WITH us and showing concern how serious and complex things are and how much more serious or DANGEROUS things CAN GET if the wrong leader is picked for our nation. I trust McCain.

    • ziggy

      Obama spoke pretty much the way he usually does in a formal setting. I doubt memorization would have worked here. Neither candidate knew the questions beforehand, and the format allowed for free exchanges. Also, they both lost debate “practice time” owing to unfolding events in Washington.

      The second presidential debate should be even more interesting. It’ll be a town hall format with less predictable questions.

    • Jaxxy

      You’re observations on their speaking style is spot on. Mac never talks to people as if they can’t unerstand two sentences strung together.

      I used to work with a lawyer who had that hideous ah, uh, ah thing. It wasn’t a stutter, it was a studied use of pauses to draw out the importance of what he was saying and was a foil for a lack of nimble thinking. I’m certain that’s why bo does it and it explains why he has to go back and “correct” what he said the day before and why he continually talked over or interrupted Mac tonight — in order to clarify what he didn’t say the right way the first time.

  • IndieDogg

    You just hit on a very telling point, Indiana Dem. Why people don’t make a big thing out of John McCain’s lapel but do about Barack Obamas’ — but the answer might not be what you expect.

    You know why?

    Because no one has the slightest doubt about John McCain’s devotion to his Country First, above his own life, if necessary.

    And, because no one has that sense of certainty about Barack Obama, no matter how many flags he sticks on after the fact.

    You have just pointed out a powerful dynamic in this race, and one that, hopefully, is going to swing the undecided, center of the country (philosophically) toward McCain in the final analysis. They’ve decided most elections and they’re going to decide this one.

    Good luck. May the better man (and woman) win.

  • Brendy

    The ‘flag pin’ issue came up during the DEMOCRATIC Debates with Obama and Hillary; the ‘flag pin’ issue was asked by a DEMOCRAT voter. John McCain is a REPUBLICAN and ALL of America KNOWS where his loyalty lies. Just forget a moment about being a dem, rep, or Indy and let’s just appreciate what the man did for our country – like we should thank ALL of our brave men and women who served/serve OUR country – dems, reps, indies, color or creed….

  • athy

    I was momentarily stunned…absolutely stunned by Sen Obama’s remark about the bracelet.

    He appeared to make the bracelet the subject of a “pi*sing match”.

    (Much thanks to bloggers who posted this link on new Hampster’s 9/26 article thread)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r_jTgGeVU4
    bracelet video

    You know what was truly sad -sad because it spoke to me about the criteria some of our citizens employ when deciding how to select a candidate:
    Fox news had a ’study group’ of independents that were asked to view the debate and then comment on a number of areas.
    According to announcer, the majority of the group questioned thought Sen Obama did a better job during the debate.
    Then
    the announcer asked the group what was one thing about each candidate that they would suggest that candidate might have done to improve the audience’s perception of the candidate (I am paraphrasing here-these are not exact words of the announcer)
    And
    the respondents suggested the following improvement each candidate could make:
    McCain- he needs to show more emotion, more intensity
    Sen Obama-he needs to give more details about his proposed plans
    OKAY…can someone tell me what criteria these repsondents were using to decide by majority that Sen Obama ‘won’ tonight’s debate?
    Style? Sen Obama was frazzled quite often especially when Sen McCain called him out on obvious lies
    Did you see the evil glares Sen Obama was giving Sen McCain during these occaisions-Sen Obama was caught off guard . He glared , then he would reach for his glass of water to buy time to calm himself down.
    Content? Sen McCain was able to provide names, dates, detailed plans, reasons for his positions.
    Sen Obama was NOT able to do this.
    I was very glad to see that Sen McCain was able to prevent Sen Obama from presenting McCain as Bush #3.
    Sen McCain was able to highlight the fact that Sen Obama is inexperienced and has little real life knowledge about world events, subtle dipplomacy skills, etc…-attributes that one needs if they are to be able to make good judgement calls on the international or domestic stage.
    If the president of the USA does not have the attributes to analyze information and suggestions from his/her advisors…then the president merely becomes a puppet of these advisors.
    So,,,if one votes for Sen Obama-then that person better have solid knowledge about who Sen Obama’s advisors are because the advisors will be running the show…
    P.S. I STILL DO NOT KNOW WHY SEN OBAMA WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA…

    BTW-
    (Much thanks to bloggers who posted this link on New Hampster’s 9/26 article!)

    TWS Exclusive: Kissinger Unhappy About Obama
    Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp

  • IndieDogg

    No one has suggested Obama memorized his answers to the exact questions, Ziggy. I don’t think anyone here has suggested that BHO had the questions beforehand. That would be ludicrous.

    However, memorizing themes and responding to specific questions with stock answers is another thing entirely. And, he’s pretty good at it. Even borrowing from the other guy in real time, on the fly, depending on who goes first. Pretty impressive. He’s skilled. No one has doubted that. So was Machiavelli. Such precision is to be admired in a duel of rapiers, I suppose.

    But, I’ll looking for somebody to trust with my country.

    I have listened to this man for months and still have no idea what he thinks about anything from one day to the next. And, that’s begging the question. I don’t want to know what he’s “interested” in doing. I want to know what he’s done that recommends him for the job he is seeking.

    Nothing. Not one, solitary, single thing, in a life of (supposedly) public service.

    That, in itself, is a damning indictment. And, I mean things he has done on his own, not borrowed, begged or stolen from others.

    He may not have rehearsed his answers tonight or memorized them, but he has certainly rehearsed his role. I live (now) in Hollywood. They’re lost track of what bad acting is, as well. Let’s hope the dumb asses among us, watching from their trailer parks on satellite dishes, have not.

    Since they are, supposedly, the only people voting for McCain/Palin, let’s hope there’s a whole lot of them.

  • Babs

    Greta was on the phone tonight with a gentleman who had a focus group in Wilkes Barre, PA. (That’s in northeast PA, near Scranton.) His focus group said McCain won the debate. Greta asked him what the political make-up of Wilkes Barre is, he said the PA primary was 75% Hillary, 25% Obama, but there are plenty of Dems there not voting for Obama, and he thinks the race will be very close. Silent PUMAs all over the country!

  • Brendy

    I think Obama ‘had’ to bring his dad into the conversation to try to make us Americans feel bad because our ‘image’ in the world is failing. “In the 60′s, everyone in the world wanted to be able to come here – America; but now – since the war in Iraq, our image has been ridiculed” (that’s what Obama was getting at). He’s trying to make the claim that if he gets us out of Iraq, the world will once again love us and want to flock to our shores!

    Uhhhhh…I got news for him – the world STILL wants to flock to our shores – just ask the illegal aliens who sneak into our country or those who overstay their visas!. Most of the world would LOVE to live here – flaws and all! LOL!

    Afterall, Obama is a “Citizen of the World” y’know!

    • moi61537

      America has lost respect? Why do people come here then, legally or illegally? McCain doesn’t say it, but the “strongest tribe” metaphor is better than talking nice w/ folks or trying to buy them w/ foreign aid. Obama is a basketball player. How did he beat other players one on one? Talk nice or take them to the basket? Probably not the former.

  • ziggy

    Most middle-of-the-road commentators seem to be of the opinion that tonight’s debate was a break-even proposition, giving McCain a higher score on foreign policy, and Obama a higher score on economic questions. Nobody screwed up; nobody scored a major victory.

    This is probably going to put tremendous pressure on Biden and Palin to perform well in the upcoming VP debate. Either one could easily create a total disaster for their presidential candidate. We’ve seen Palin crash and burn on recent interview questions. And everyone knows Biden has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth. Obama and McCain will probably both bitting their nails that evening.

    • stodghie

      hey ziggy, your guy lost. deal with it. and no it wasn’t the bradley effect.

  • IndieDogg

    You’re slick, Ziggy, got to give you that. Very subtle. Try to call it a tie and shift it to Palin. Is that the marching order from BHO Central?

    There was only one President on that stage tonight.

    And, I don’t say that based on taking the pulse of middle-of-the-road or off-the-road commentators. I don’t take polls to decide what to think.

    Okay, folks, goodnight.

    And a good night for McCain/Palin.

  • Jay Ferguson

    Does it really matter who “won” the debate? I recall John Kerry was considered the winner of all the debates with Bush yet we know who ultimately won the electoral college and the presidency.

  • IndieDogg

    Ms. Mansfield. Thanks for the nighty night but don’t put words in my mouth. Make a point if you want and move on. The snide riposte does little for you or for your candidate’s cause.

    But thanks for the poll results. Goodness knows, it’s hard to keep up with all of them. Sounds like you can relax now and light up the victory cigar. I’d say your guy’s a lock.

    But, if it’s okay with you, I’ll judge the debate and the quality of these two men with my own two eyes and my own “independent” mind. I don’t need a snap poll to tell me what to think.

    And, no, I have no problem with Senator Clinton. Since she won her primary, maybe they should have had her up there.

  • http://COMMENT thierry

    THREE DAYS PREPARATION FOR OBAMA AGAINST ZERO FOR MCCAIN.I PERSONALLY THINK THE MAVERICK DID A VERY VERY GOOD JOB.EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS HIS OWN.

    MCCAIN/PALIN 2008

  • karen for Clinton – 2012

    The impression I had during the debate is this: barky has honed his bamboozle brainwashing and is much better at it than when he first began.

    On that stage I saw two politicians with their mission to make their opponent look bad and themselves good – truth be damned. The lies were frequent, the pandering obvious, the spin non-stop.

    Mostly I thought this: What would Hillary have said?

    This morning I’m no more inclined to change my mind in anyway than I was pre-debate on either of them.

    The undecided voters are the ones who count and whether or not they were moved to support one or the other is likely split between the two.

    ob’s lies were obvious to us. His statements on earmarks, lobbyists, tax cuts and all those programs he talks about but can’t possibly accomplish, was all to me just like an advertisement from a used car lot trying to sell me a lemon. Did it work? Did people want to fall for the hope and change and no experience line? I don’t know. I sure didn’t fall for it, no matter that he spoke his lies much more clearly than he did at the primary debates.

    He’s still a sham, a more convincing one, perhaps, last night and that is all.

  • Perry Logan

    In my mind, it took a war hero to even go out and confront a Democrat, after the performance of his party over the past eight years.

    He should have worn a sweatshirt that aid “NOT AT ALL LIKE THOSE OTHER REPUBLICANS!”

  • PaddyJ

    Just watched the whole thing on cspan, after reading the pundits responses earlier.
    My opinion: Obama was better than expected. Cut down on his Ums and Ahs, but both obviously were prepared ahead as they had hand written notes ready.
    McCain had better answers in terms of depth and detail – no contest there – more presidential.
    Overall McCain wins – more genuine and honest.
    Obama wanted to focus on the Iraq war as a negative for McCain, but to my surprise McCain turned it to his advantage in terms of winning and not having to go back in the future – very smart and credible.
    The only big bite moment – the bracelet (+maybe the Kissinger quote).
    This hurts the Obama effort. I know it was a small moment, but somehow it goes to the heart of the Obama problem – being perceived as a dishonest phony.
    McCain comes across as answering questions honestly, regardless of your feelings about it, Obama comes across as trying to look good and say what you want to hear. I think that in today’s mood people are fed up most of all with politicians bs and pandering and are ready for some down to earth straight talk.

  • WeNeedTheClintons

    It’s embarrassing how much Obama interrupted John McCain. It was immature and self-absorbed, not to mention annoying. Several times he called John by the wrong name. I kept imagining Obama in a diplomatic situation with the head of another nation, constantly interrupting her or him, forgetting his or her name. Apparently Obama doesn’t realize that this inability to listen without interrupting displays that he doesn’t give a damn about the other individuals thoughts or needs. Every mature person of even average means knows this. People in the dog-eat-dog world of politics are accutely aware of and sensitive to such nuances. Obama’s sense of self is blown way out of proportion.

    I simply can’t vote for him. He is naive and dangerous, just as McCain implied.

  • Above My Pay Grade

    One thing that really disgusted me was the way Obama repeatedly called Senator McCain “John”, while McCain (the gentleman, statesman and patriot) called 0bama “Senator”.

    Sheppard Smith pointed that out after the debate as well, and said the “people from his part of the country might notice it and….notice it”. (He was clearly implying that Southerners would not look kindly on that disrespect.

    Well, I am a New York Yankee (but a Mets fan) and I found it offensive.

    0bama looked like a spoiled little child, who wasn’t raised right, calling his uncle or teacher by his first name.

    Heck, even when Llyod Bentsen smacked down Dan Quayle with his classic “your no Jack Kennedy” line, he paid him the due respect of calling him “Senator”, not Dan.

    I was waiting for McCain to do a Jack Nicholson in “A Few Good Men” when he told Tom Cruise to call him General, saying, “I think I’ve earned it!”

    Of course that might be what Zerobama was trying to do. He might have been trying to get McCain to show the mythical “temper” that Democrats love to talk about, but the American public has never seen.

    Good for Senator McCain, for not rising to the bait.

    • SJ

      Yes I did notice the John all the time where Mc Cain was giving Obama all the respect of office calling him senator.

      Obama also called the President by his name George Bush several times I also felt that was disrespectful, and Obama should at least show some respect to the still sitting president.

      Obama also made the comment toe Mc Cain “your president” well excuse me I did think President Bush was and still is President of all Americans and the USA, so maybe Obama better lets us all know who his President is at the moment because he sure seems to have one different to Mc Cain.

      I only hope this is not how the Obama household guide their children in showing them how they should act around persons holding high office, because Obama on many occasions in that debate acted as if he has no regard for it.

      • Above My Pay Grade

        Agree 100%. BTW, that reminds me, did you catch the part when Senator McCain said that he hadn’t made up his Presidential meeting schedule yet (referring to Obama/Chavez/Ahmadinejad) and said, “I don’t even have a SEAL yet.”

        Nice jab at the Fauxbama “Presidential” Seal.

  • Loveharriet

    OBAMA THE LOSER. MCCAIN THE WINNER!

    PLAN AND SIMPLE!

  • Above My Pay Grade

    Another thing, did anyone notice how B. Hussein Obama pronounces “Tah-lee-bohn” like he is a member of it?

    • Jaxxy

      It’s a small thing, I know. But I noticed it, too. bo is the only person I know who says it that way and it does seem to have the ring of “knowing.”

    • DAB

      Also calls Pakistan “PAH-kee-sthan” rather than Pack-e-stan like most people. I don’t know which is technically correct but the hoity toity version als potayto – potahto seems to undercut all of those “g’s” he’s learned to drop.

  • Loveharriet

    MICHELLE OBAMA NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO DRESS LIKE A FIRST LADY. SHE AND THOSE FLOWERS ARE RIDICULOUS.

    CINDY MCCAIN TEACH HER SOME CLASS PLEASE. A BLACK WOMAN WITH NO TRAINING THAT IS MICHELLE OBAMA “THE WHITE HATER”

    MCCAIN/PALIN 2008!

  • Sassy

    Senator McCain hit a lot points:

    Obama’s failure to go to Iraq.
    Obama’s failure to head a committee hearing.
    Obama’s label as the most liberal member of the Senate.

    Additionally, McCain showed his expansive knowledge regarding world affairs.
    His congeniality remarks also demonstated that he is nobody’s push-over!
    I was impressed with his performance, and he was FACTUAL, not slinging dirt!

  • SJ

    The media seems to be leaving the statement by Mc Cain on the actions of Obama and his non performance of that committee he was the leader of, I thought that was a good zinger at Obama lol

    I also liked the slap on the Presidential Seal that Mc Cain tossed at Obama lol

  • pal3

    For people who are not into polictics and don’t keep up with the news, I think they would consider Obama more favorably in this debate. Oh well, four years is not that bad..

    • stodghie

      bull, they should consider obama favorably. your little troll line is very evident.

  • Linda OKC

    http://www.pickensplan.com/chat/

    Picken’s plan chat has a poll as well. Look like reasonable people voted on it, results are skewed.

    • Linda OKC

      10:41
      Moderator: Our first question comes from John.
      10:41
      Moderator: Please Mr. Pickens, answer this question. who do you throw your weight behind – Obama or McCain?
      10:41
      T. Boone Pickens: I’m not here to grade the candidates. I’ll let you guys do that.

      The issue I’m passionate about is ending our dependence on foreign oil.
      10:42 [Video file] YouTube: z-9KRzbYWsY Play
      10:42
      [Comment From Jay]
      Mr. Pickens, I did not hear either candidate address real immediate everyday solutions such as CNG, Transit and Transportation to reduce consumption. How do we get them to understand the need for immediate everyday such as CNG?
      10:43
      T. Boone Pickens: Go to PickensPlan.com and click on Action and send a letter to your elected officials asking them to sign the pledge.
      10:45
      [Comment From Patrick]
      Mr Pickens, in your intro video you mention many energy sources at the beginning; but by the end you focused on only two: Wind and Natural Gas. What role do Bio, Solar & Coal have in you plan. Would your Wind plan require a DC power grid?
      10:47
      T. Boone Pickens: Good question. We should build a new national power grid.

      As far as other fuels, I’m for everything that’s American. But the only way we can start replacing foreign oil right now is to use something than foreign oil to power our cars and trucks.
      10:47
      [Comment From Mr. Graber]
      What about Nuclear energy and geothermal energy?
      10:49
      [Comment From Greg Knott]
      Do you think Congress has the political will it is going to take to moves us beyond current energy models?
      10:49
      T. Boone Pickens: Nuclear power is fine, but it’s going to take a long time and it’s not going to do anything significant to get us off foreign oil. Remember, we stopped using oil for electricity back in the 70s. Nuclear only helps replace oil if you’ve got electric cars, and those are still a long ways off.

  • realtruth

    Commentary’s Jennifer Rubin: “Only the most devoted partisan could deny it was a very, very strong outing for John McCain. On foreign policy he was devastating — making clear how much more resolute and experienced he is.” (Jennifer Rubin, “The Winner,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, http://www.commentarymagazine.com, 9/26/08)

    Just one of the opinons about the debate…

  • sjc-tx

    The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “McCain’s strongest moment of the debate also happened to be Obama’s weakest. McCain absolutely hammered Obama over his pledge to meet with rogue foreign leaders without preconditions and Obama had no ready answer — odd since he had to know this attack was coming. McCain was able to turn a single question about meeting with rogue leaders into an extended colloquy that ended with him hitting Obama for misunderstanding Henry Kissinger. A very good moment for McCain.” (Chris Cillizza, “The Mississippi Debate: First Thoughts And Who Won?” The Washington Post’s “The Fix” Blog, voices.washingtonpost.com, 9/26/08)

    * Cillizza: “He poked fun at his age several times, jabbed Obama playfully yet effectively (I don’t even have a presidential seal’) and seemed in command of the subject matter and the stage. When moderator Jim Lehrer said at one point that the two candidates had spoken for almost the same amount of time, we were surprised; McCain seemed from our perspective to command more time.”
    (Chris Cillizza, “The Mississippi Debate: First Thoughts and Who Won?” The Washington Post’s “The Fix” Blog, voices.washingtonpost.com, 9/26/08)

    Los Angeles Times: “But McCain closed strongly, becoming more assertive in the debate’s final 30 minutes and zinging Obama time and again as out of his league on foreign policy.” (Don Frederick and Kate Linthicum, “Live-Blogging The Presidential Debate: McCain, Obama Start Out Sparring Over The Economy,” Los Angeles Times’ “Top Of The Ticker” Blog, latimesblogs.latimes.com, 9/26/08)

    CNN’s Alex Castellanos: “The old fighter pilot I thought hit the target. He demonstrated great command, names, places, name dropping is not a bad thing in a foreign policy debate like this sometime and he even got under Barack Obama’s skin.” (CNN’s “Debate Coverage,” 9/26/08)

    * Castellanos: “I thought McCain was successful, even though Barack Obama scored a lot. I think on a few more points, McCain kind of dragged him down into the foreign policy debate and worked him over, I thought pretty good. … It looked almost a little bit like at times Obama was looking for the flash cards and he’d crammed for the exam and McCain obviously didn’t have to do that…”
    (CNN’s “Debate Coverage,” 9/26/08)

  • sjc-tx

    ABC’s David Wright: “McCain, too, not only had a strong performance tonight, but seemed to have a strategy throughout. As George said, you heard him mention over and over again, Senator Obama doesn’t seem to understand. He also kept mentioning his travel schedule. I’ve been to Waziristan, I’ve been to South Ossetia, and at the very end he paid it off with his humdinger of a line at the end, saying that basically, he doesn’t need on the job experience. I think the McCain campaign is very pleased with it.” (ABC’s “Vote ’08: Presidential Debate Analysis,” 9/26/08)

    The New York Times’ Bill Kristol: “I think McCain won the debate. I think there will be a deal this weekend and he will be vindicated in his efforts to some degree to have actually dealt with reality as opposed to going around giving stump speeches and the McCain campaign will have momentum going into next week and that will set up the Palin-Biden debate.” (Fox News’ “The O’Reilly Factor,” 9/26/08)

    Real Clear Politics’ Blake Dvorak: “[M]cCain performed well, putting Obama on the defensive on several occasions and getting in some good one-liners.” (Blake Dvorak, “Who Won…?” Real Clear Politics’ “The Real Clear Politics” Blog, time-blog.com, 9/26/08)

    The Atlantic’s Ross Douthat: “A Win For McCain.” (Ross Douthat, “A Win For McCain,” The Atlantic’s “Ross Douthat” Blog, rossdouthat.theatlantic.com, 9/26/08)

    Commentary’s Jennifer Rubin: “Only the most devoted partisan could deny it was a very, very strong outing for John McCain. On foreign policy he was devastating — making clear how much more resolute and experienced he is.” (Jennifer Rubin, “The Winner,” Commentary’s “Contentions” Blog, http://www.commentarymagazine.com, 9/26/08)

    “McCain Was Repeatedly On The Offensive And To Some Extent, Obama Was On The Defensive”

    Presidential Historian Michael Beschloss: “[J]ohn McCain was repeatedly on the offensive and to some extent, Obama was on the defensive. I was surprised by that. in terms of strategy, we’ll see what works. But often times in debates, if a candidate does go on the offensive, it does tend to work. That’s what Kennedy did in 1960. It’s what Ronald Reagan did in 1980 and it is what Bill Clinton did in 1992.” (PBS’s “Presidential Debate,” 9/26/08)

  • jrterrier

    did anyone notice that last night obama said that we should continue to pave the way for all those former soviet republics, including Georgia, to join NATO, with all that means for the mutual defense obligations it imposes on us. That’s exactly what Palin said to Charlie Gibson, which was then used as a sign that she wanted to go to war with Russia for which she was roundly criticized.

    someone needs to put together a youtube video to compare and contrast the media bias and breathless/sexist treatment of Gov Palin.

  • H.S./Detroit

    I apoligyzed for posting this message here. I could not find a suitable site to address my concerns.

    I do not understand why the media do not cover the case of Philip Berg v. Barack Obama, Civil Action No. 2:08-cv-04083-RBS, pending at the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. The plaintiff filed this case on 9/9/2008 challenging Obama’s eligibility of being a US president, as all the evidence listed in the complaint indicated that Obama is not a natual born US citizen.

    Obama filed a motion to dismiss the case on 9/24/2008 arguing that the Court lacks jurisdiction and the plaintiff lacks a standing to sue. However, he did not provide any documents proving that he is a natural born US citizen.

    I am wondering why he would rather make big constitutional auguments instad of simply providing the Court a copy of his birth certification?

    I do not see media talking about this. Nobody cares about US Constitution any more? Even if being sued, Obama does not need to prove to the voters his eligibility under Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution? Why should American voters be treated like this?

    Y.S.

  • john

    Ralph Nader said on Maher’s show last night that both Obama and McCain are disasters and are both controlled totally by corporate lobbyists.

    Anybody disagree?

    • H.S. Rochester, MI

      Dear John,

      I disagreed to the word “totally” when it applies to McCain.

      In considering how much money received from Lehman Brothers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in his extremely short tenure in Senate, Obama apprarently can be bought. I also believe that he is a puppy of George Soro.

      Lobbyists and poticical contribution are inseparable from the operation of Washington but that does not mean the receipients of contribution would automatically put people’s interest above that of the big companies. I do not believe and there is no indication, that any comapny can put John McCain in its pocket by contributing to his office.

  • Independent

    Under McCain, we won’t go into Pakistan to take out Bin Laden or Al Qaeda leadership. Under McCain we will remain in Iraq at current troop levels, which will lead to countries like Russia getting even more bold (watch out for China next) and our war in Afghanistan will remain second fiddle. On the economy, McCain talked endlessly about cutting spending, which is great to talk about, but his notion to suspend the entire government except defense and veteran’s health is very scary. That’s one of the most radical statements I’ve heard a politician make in a long time. Freeze the government? Just imagine the chaos that would cause. McCain offers more tax cuts for the largest corporations. We’ve seen this does not create any jobs. Companies hire more workers when the demands for goods and services go up, not because they got an extra tax break. Companies come to America to do business because it’s a profitable marketplace, not because they can get a better tax rate. Japan has THE highest corporate tax, but does that mean they are without strong corporations? Of course not.

    I like that Obama agreed with McCain when McCain would make a good point. That to me shows Obama is willing to agree with right-wing issues if they are wise. He’s not stuck in this “all things conservative are bad” partisan mentality. I like how Obama stressed his bipartisan work with Lugar and Coburn. We need leadership, not an idealogue. There are many things the conservatives are right about.

    Overall, I give the SLIGHT victory to Obama in this debate. I don’t care much for commentary about nervous ticks or people not looking in the eye. Those are meaningless. If you really analyze the substance, Obama has many of the same ideas as Hillary, and I am a Hillary supporter.

  • Mary

    I am wondering if anyone else saw Obama in his elitist moment last night, when he said that the American people could use the extra money to buy kids a computer. He still does not understand as much as he says he does, that Americans need money to pay the bills. Maybe in his household they would use the money to buy a computer, but in most households it comes down to gas or food money…

  • Kelvin Hearts PUMAs

    This woman should make you PUMAs proud.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

    • just me

      Well it just goes to show how much people are turning to drink…
      wonder who is to blame. um um er er er lets get this straight.

      For the grace of God go I~~

      But that is all you ever do Kelvin Hearts PUMAs take the piss out of someone less fortunate than many….
      However she spoke the damn truth.

  • http://mmb silverfox

    cindy

    isn’t it past your bedtime?

    i thought trolls had a curfew,

    my wrong.

    McCain rocked little bobo’s boat tonight.

  • stodghie

    say cindy, i know some good doctors. if obama makes sense, i feel a referral is needed.

  • morganjane

    Obama’s first line was stolen from McCain’s speech at the CGI, plus he has taken most of Hillary’s talking points that he disagreed with to beat her… he is a fraud! And I hope he pissed off Henry Kissinger, that will come back to haunt him!

  • wry

    I’m a democrat in recovery. Many issues with Obama(which he “borrowed” from Hillary) I do agree with, but he lacks character and his past and his associations make me uncomfortable.

  • cindy

    you are right…im still for mccain, but i was hoping obama would sound stupid. did you think he did?

  • cindy

    hmmmm maybe i don’t fit in here.

  • steel magnolia

    ohhhh, no, welly, I didn’t tink so. night, night, little girl.

  • Dan

    He didn’t sound stupid at all. But he was clearly flustered at times and was also very rude in that he, on several occasions, interrupted McCain when McCain was attempting to answer a question. No doubt he was trying to provoke McCain into losing his temper, but McCain was unflappable, hardly even acknowledging Obama’s presence.

    It was clear from watching the debate which man on stage was the Big Dog and which one was the puppy.

  • Paul3triple

    your racist against whites.

  • cindy

    the keys to my trailer are 99.99999% the same as your house keys.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease?” Opampers

    You decry racism then make your own bigoted remark? Brilliant.

  • KMColo

    The trailer trash crap is getting old. It’s also fairly bigoted when you get right down to it. Not voting for BHO is supported by a multitude of reasons – the least of which is race.

  • Zee

    You mean we see thru your crap?

    Yep, we do.

  • destardi

    Chockoblock, they’re not smart enough to see 2 steps ahead.

    That’s why they’re obamabushbots.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com Chockablock “Hillawee can you change my diapy pwease?” Opampers

    No problem. All animals are equal. Some animals are more equal than others. Double standard protects the Oborgbot.

  • Concerned Citizen

    http://weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#8891

    Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

  • AngryWhitePerson

    I personally thought Obama sounded incredibly stupid answering the question about Iran’s president. I could not get over that response.

    The rest of Obama’s answers, if he wasn’t going off on tangents, sounded like lies, insults, grade school barbs or just someone pretending to be informed. I heard a pundit say Obama appeared to be knowledgeable. OF WHAT???, I yelled at the tv before flipping the channel.

  • Dan

    I don’t know what debate you watched, but in the one I watched, McCain was the clear winner.

  • McHope

    geared to reality.”

    The most fundamental element missing from Barack Obama’s campaign and followers.

  • IndianaDem

    That’s actually not so clear when you’ve watched the debate with the audience response graph running in real time. The graph plotting independent voter responses ran more in synch with that of democratic responses than republican responses.

  • audacity

    sounds independent already

    and undecided

  • Jaxxy

    Your “honesty” is touching. But if you think you can win your own debate by citing CNN or CBS, you showed up ill-prepared. Just like your guy did tonight. His answers were barely more than the canned rhetoric of his “career” campaigning.

    And, no, not having Hillary debate tonight wasn’t something we all wanted. So why don’t you just slide back over to KOS and share your “honesty” with your own.

  • stodghie

    obama trounced? like hexx he did!