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I remember when good enough wasn’t good enough

Do you?

I remember when this country wanted it’s President to be great not just good enough.

I remember when Presidential candidates like Bobby, Gene or Dennis stood for things and staked their lives on those beliefs.

Tonight, though my rose colored glasses thought McCain won hands down, the MSM are happy, even giddy that Obama did “good enough”. He didn’t mess up, he didn’t make any big blunders. He was good enough.

John McCain led every single discussion including those Obama had first. McCain drove the discussion and as usual Obama said Me Too. Not in those words but we Clintonistas remember how bambi always agreed with Hillary. Never offered anything new. He takes the safe road of agreement and the MSM let him.

Do you remember when the press wanted our leaders to be better than good enough?

Remember Dan Rather refusing to back down in the face of the most powerful man on Earth?

What happened to the 4th estate? Where did the journalists all go?

We are seeing a great man, an incredible mind, crippled by war and cancer stand up beside a magnificent specimen of the human form and be compared to the other’s oratory prowess rather than his own extraordinary life. What happened to this country?

When did good enough become good enough?

from Partizane.com

  • Holden Caulfield

    During the presidential debate, John McCain humbly mentioned wearing a bracelet in honor of a dead soldier and promptly shared the name of that soldier with us. Then Obama did something I found absolutely appalling. Obama said, “I gotta bracelet too, it’s uh, uh,…” and then he had to look down to read the name on the bracelet because he could not remember who the soldier was. As a military wife of a war veteran, this relayed clearly to me that Obama wears the bracelet bearing a dead soldier’s name as a political prop with no thought of the individual who made the ultimate sacrifice in giving his life in service to our country. I sincerely hope the American public sees Obama’s awful, heartless disrespect to the military shown over and over again in an internet or TV clip so the media can’t ignore it in their quest to bury Obama’s blunders.

  • lark

    The networks are so desperate to keep this contest close, because they know that once McCain goes way ahead of Oblahblah, people will stop watching.

  • SJ

    I would love to know why it is Obama refers to President Bush as George Bush?

    He does not have to like him or agree with what he has done over the years but at the moment he is still our President and deserves that respect of office.

    Obama should not be addressing the President as George Bush as if the President is his school yard friend, is that what he is going to instill in his kids that kind of disrespect of person that hold high office?

    I am sure Obama would not like to become POTUS and have any one call him Barack, he would insist that he is addressed in the correct manner, well Senator Obama as a citizen I am asking you to please refrain from calling my President by his first name especially when you are debating and there is a world wide audience.

  • Zaggs

    When history must be made, mediocrity takes second place to competence!

  • AF catfish

    Obama at first said “her name is” then looked closer at the bracelet and said “no wait, his name is” (I am paraphrasing.)

    But he can’t even remember the name – can’t remember the GENDER of the person who’s bracelet he’s wearing!

    You are right, that was appalling. We all were caught up in Obama saying “me too” but we missed the point that he couldn’t remember the name of the person.

  • Zaggs

    Sorry that should be competence takes second place to mediocrity.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    I’ve read some comments on You-Tube that were encouraging. “McCain just got my vote.” Hopefully more Americans are waking up to Obama’s bamboozling.

    The bracelet comment by Obama was childish and out of place. But then, so is Obama.

    OT but Kissinger just released a comment that Obama misunderstood his intent and that John McCain’s interpretation is correct.

    For what it’s worth.

  • AF catfish

    Obama also turned to McCain and referred to Bush as “your president” – that was telling. A commenter on some blog noticed Obama refers to America as “this country” and she’s waiting for him to say “my country” and she hasn’t heard him say it.

    Unfortunately Dubya is OUR president, Barack.

  • AngryWhitePerson

    The media perhaps will never really wake the f. up. I have no idea why they would want an incompetent, inexperienced fool for president. I imagine the “journalists” liked being stenographers and reading press releases without question the last eight years. Perhaps they care to narrate a particular fairytale for the next four. But SO WHAT? News programs are not the money makers for the corporate owned networks, it is irrelevant how many people actually tune in. My anger is directed at the networks’ corporate owners. What do these owners have to gain by electing Obama? Because if they FEARED him getting into the Oval Office, I sure as shit know the “newsrooms” would reflect that view.

  • PleaseNoObama

    That “I gotta bracelet too!” line was his worst of the whole evening. It looked so…playground-ish.

  • fif

    We are seeing a great man, an incredible mind, crippled by war and cancer stand up beside a magnificent specimen of the human form and be compared to the other’s oratory prowess rather than his own extraordinary life. What happened to this country?

    Did you see the focus group of “undecided voters” on FOX led by Luntz? One woman said, “McCain talked too much about his history. She wants to talk about what is happening now.”

    Will someone PLEASE explain to me how someone will be able to deal with what is happening NOW if they do not have deep and varied experience and knowledge?!

    The fourth estate is virtually dead and this country has been dumbed down to the point of being seriously in danger. I really don’t know where to turn anymore. Watching that debate–the winner was without question McCain. He ran circles around Obama on foreign policy. Who the HELL cares if someone is “articulate?” This is not a poetry seminar. We need a Commander in Chief for God’s sake. Obama is still insisting that he, and he alone can change the world’s view of us. Based on WHAT, I ask again and again. Talk.

  • Indy

    I picked up on that, and so did my husband. Appalling in the proper word. I pointed out right away that Obama had to read the bracelet. Shameless, but classic Obama.

  • AF catfish

    Beautifully said New Hampster. I so want McCain to be our president, he has really earned this and will be the first president I actually like, even if he isn’t perfect, even if he doesn’t do a perfect job.

  • SJ

    Another question I have is that Obama said tonight in this debate that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not the most powerful man in Iran, well can Obama inform me as to who it is.

    I think I would love to know just for knowledge because I never knew Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was a low level dignitary coming hear and mouthing off as he pleased

    So tell me who the senior official with more power in Iran is Senator Obama I want to send him an email about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad behaviour at the UN and ask him kindly to not let him return to the USA.

  • HARP
  • Karma

    TWS Exclusive: Kissinger Unhappy About Obama

    Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp

    ~~

    LOL…’geared to reality’.

    I don’t think Kissinger has ever made me laugh until tonight.

  • lark

    Ms. Caulfield, McCain’s reason to wear the bracelet is to remember that he must fight everyday not to allow the war to be lost. That was what it was asked for. Oblahblah wears his bracelet so that what happened to that mother doesn’t happen to any other mother in America. This Ms.Caulfield, is a direct contradiction to reality, and to the object and mission of our armed forces. There is no way that the armed forces can prevent brave men from dying in wars or in peace and grieving the mothers of those soldiers. [I write this with trepidation.] The object of a Senator is to vote to make our military efforts successful and not to shy away from success for the fear of our sons dying. I am not going to go much farther than that on this subject because is very delicate to me. But the wearing of the bracelet by these two gentlemen are for very different purposes. One purpose is honorable and the other questionable.

  • AF catfish

    Saw that and she HAD to be an Obama ringer. I don’t understand that is the only explanation.

    Obama is NOT articulate. He has a baritone voice, and people mistake that for articulate. He is not a great orator. He simply has a baritone voice. That’s it. He is not even good with a teleprompter. He gives the audience whiplash. Baritone. That’s it. Baritone.

  • fif

    There is the argument that the clerics are actually more powerful in Iran, but that is irrelevant. Ahmadinejad is the mouthpiece, fueling hate and violence toward Israel. That would be like sitting down with Bin Laden.

  • WildChild

    I’d be happy to sit down on bin laden.

  • vinnie

    That’s what we’re all talkin’ about…the guy is a fraud. I laughed out loud at the way he said “I have a bracelet too”. My kids talk like that when they try to out do one another.

  • WildChild

    I won’t even ask for preconditions :)

  • Objective analysis

    Obama just pissed off Kissinger with his MISSTATEMENT of his position on no preconditions talk as President of the US with rogue nations

    http://weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#8891

    TWS Exclusive: Kissinger Unhappy About Obama

    Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: “Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality.”

  • SJ

    Well Obama did say he will check on Kissinger statement to prove he is right but guess Kissinger answered him for his self.

    Obama also went off on China, I did not think that was very diplomatic, Obama does not really get it on the world stage with different culture you have to be very cautious as to how to call out countries and accuse them of this and that, some do not understand that and then it leads to a host of problems for the persons in charge.

  • Bob

    Zogby polling has McCain ahead again in National polling as of yesterday

  • Ani

    Lark,

    Your point is spot on. Sell more copy — that is the ultimate goal.

    Beyond that, since we saw that the media sold Bush to America 8 years ago (trashing and laughing at Gore) and then sold Bush’s war, a good rule for me is — whoever the corrupt corporate owned media wants, vote the other way.

    They also chose Obama over Hillary — and we see how well that’s turned out.

    So if it’s Obama over McCain for them,
    it’s clearly McCain over Obama for me.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Well Hamster:

    I just watched this thing and listened to it, and scored it much as I would a debate or boxing match.

    I’ve been here for three months, and nobody here can ever accuse me of harboring good will for Obama.

    However, let’s give the devil his due.

    Seems to me like Obama just cleaned McCain’s clock and took his lunch.

    At the end of it McCain was sounding, to me, like Barry Goldwater.

    And we know how that ended.

    Very pathetic performance by McCain, in my opinion.

  • Firefly

    To me:

    McCain seemed real – 0bama seemed spit-shined.

    McCain seemed sincere – 0bama seemed cold.

    Ya know, 0bama can memorize all the facts he wants, he can recite all the zinger lines his handlers can give him, he can regurgitate all the democratic talking points every democrat has recited for the last 4 or 5 years – none of it comes from the heart.

    He wants to be president because it would mean he’s the winner – he’s the most important person – he’s king of the world. But having everything anyone could ever dream of will never ever give him a soul.

    Someone over at riverdaughter’s blog said something like, “If Americans don’t believe he’d take a bullet for them, he won’t win.” I like that. I don’t like 0bama.

  • pm317

    Very well said, NH. I won’t repeat what Ferraro said but it fits into the equation somewhere. I could label Obama our affirmative action presidential candidate but then what will we call GWB? President by legacy..

  • http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work

    And the Pundits said there were no memorable sound bites!

  • SJ

    We all know they are going to spin this as a poor showing for Mc Cain, so am not even going to look at the polls or read what the media has to say.

    FOX already started their nonsense saying Obama did well he held his own he was cool, Mc Cain did not hit Obama out of the park so they called it a draw, well I must of been looking at another debate because I sure saw something different.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    Hey NH,

    and, their “good enough”, isn’t good enough for us, and THAT was through THEIR VERY ROSIE GLASSES.

    Obama showed what he was tonight, to me, finally, clear. A Punk.

    He gets his authoritarian voice when he wants to sound confident, even though what he says is filled with studders and hammering.

    But mostly, he was arrogant, a smart ass and showed very poor control and temperment. AND RUDE. What is wrong with the man, he can’t hold any control, he has to always interrupt.

    That’s what Obama showed me he was tonight, nothing but a punk.

    The qualities he showed, may make for another talk show host, which may be why they like him, but I surely don’t want Cafferty, Obamamann or Campbel Brown as President or Vice President of the USA.

    ‘nuf said.

  • http://www.vberryhill-soulvoice.blogspot.com Vivian Berryhill

    Tonight’s debate gave the edge of victory to Senator John McCain. As an African American, I was disappointed at how many times Senator Obama tagged-on to McCain’s answers. He sounded like a “me too” parrot… which indicates he has no clear opinion or position on that specific issue/subject. The repeated “I agree with John McCain” line made him look like a follower, not a world leader. This was especially troubling because he used this same line: “I agree with Senator Clinton” waaay to often in the Hillary Clinton debates. It was not as bad because they were both Democrats and their positions should have been similar.

    But for Obama, a Democrat, to admit to 80 million viewers that he agrees with Republican John McCain’s positions/points 7 or 8 times during this debate served to validate McCain’s thought-superiority and left the opinion in the minds of many that McCain has obvious advantage on these crucial issues. Obama just killed his argument on why he is the one to trust your vote to. Any swing voter or independent would have to wonder why they would need to vote for him, since he agrees with most of what McCain’s policies… just vote for McCain and cut out the middle man. Not good. McCain wins this round!
    [www.vberryhill-soulvoice.blogspot.com]

  • Paul3triple

    watching Greta she had a group of voters in PA watching and they said hands down Mac won.
    the media would defend obama no matter what happened.
    I though Mccain made him sound like a child on foriegn policy.
    On every point he gave an example of obama’s poor judgement and hammered him. The Iran part was telling. McCain certainly could have hammered obama on some issues. He did not and was smart not to.
    He wanted to look like a commander a leader with a grasp of the world and knowledge of the issues.
    He did. The average guy is already disturbed by Barrack, and his debate on foreign policy imo, is enough to scare off some voters.
    From Iran to the surge mccain pointed out very bad choices and positions obama holds. On russia, McCain was just all around superior.
    Once the financial mess clears up, foriegn policy will be fron and center with Russia’s activitys.

    Also, obama on pakistan was bad to. Obama often sites Bush for bombing pakistan after the remarks obama made about doing it. Well, Bush did bomb them and now Pakistan tribes are firing on our Helicopters and their army was told to fire on us if we came across the border.
    We have to work the diplomatic levers and not be confrontational with a country that has Nukes and is not very stable.

  • Danny

    What happened to the 4th estate? Where did the journalists all go?

    They have all joined the rats in (Ben) I mean Obamas house of cards, hopeing that if Obama can pull out a win they’ll have a news story very much like Bush has given us. One lousy day (trainwreck) that we can’t take our eyes off. Oh my god – please don’t let Obama happen to America.

  • Ani

    Yes, truly. What was also very rude about it is that McCain is not only a war veteran but a POW who suffered great deal in service to his country. It was completely obvious from watching Senator McCain tell this story that he knows the pain of war and loss.

    This is something that, on an experiential level, Senator Obama has no idea whatsoever about — it is not personal to him. He should have found the restraint and dignity within himself to allow Senator McCain to have that moment to himself. He had no business barging in on it — particularly since it came off like a child saying, ‘me. too, mine, mine, mine.’

  • lark

    Obama about Musharraf: “He was our dictator.” This my friends is the way radicals and people with a pet peeve and other animosities against our country talk about these subjects. They are always calling this situations as if the U.S. impose those people through CIA and under the table actions. This is clear that Mr. Obama is very familiar with Ayers and others radicals enemies of our country that speak in those terms.

  • Ani

    Yes, truly. What was also very rude about it is that McCain is not only a war veteran but a POW who suffered great deal in service to his country. It was completely obvious from watching Senator McCain tell this story that he knows the pain of war and loss.

    This is something that, on an experiential level, Senator Obama has no idea whatsoever about — it is not personal to him. He should have found the restraint and dignity within himself to allow Senator McCain to have that moment to himself. He had no business barging in on it — particularly since it came off like a child saying, ‘me too, mine, mine, mine.’

  • vinnie

    Will someone PLEASE explain to me how someone will be able to deal with what is happening NOW if they do not have deep and varied experience and knowledge?!

    Obama and Axelgrease is aiming for a dotcom presidency. No experience or credible plan is needed, you just have to have pizazz and create buzz.

  • athy

    New Hampster-
    your post is spot on!

    Holden Caulfield-I noticed that too (Sen Obama’s bracelet response).
    I was momentarily stunned…absolutely stunned by this childish response on the part of Sen Obama. He appeared to make the bracelet the subject of a “pi*sing match”.

    You know what was truly sad -sad because it spoke to me about the criteria some of our citizens employ when deciding how to select a candidate:

    Fox news had a ‘study group’ of independents that were asked to view the debate and then comment on a number of areas.

    According to announcer, the majority of the group questioned thought Sen Obama did a better job during the debate.

    Then

    the announcer asked the group what was one thing about each candidate that they would suggest that candidate might have done to improve the audience’s perception of the candidate (I am paraphrasing here-these are not exact words of the announcer)

    And

    the respondents suggested the following improvement each candidate could make:

    McCain- he needs to show more emotion, more intensity

    Sen Obama-he needs to give more details about his proposed plans

    OKAY…can someone tell me what criteria these repsondents were using to decide by majority that Sen Obama ‘won’ tonight’s debate?

    Style? Sen Obama was frazzled quite often especially when Sen McCain called him out on obvious lies

    Did you see the evil glares Sen Obama was giving Sen McCain during these occaisions-Sen Obama was caught off guard . He glared , then he would reach for his glass of water to buy time to calm himself down.

    Content? Sen McCain was able to provide names, dates, detailed plans, reasons for his positions.
    Sen Obama was NOT able to do this.

    I was very glad to see that Sen McCain was able to prevent Sen Obama from presenting McCain as Bush #3.

    Sen McCain was able to highlight the fact that Sen Obama is inexperienced and has little real life knowledge about world events, subtle dipplomacy skills, etc…-attributes that one needs if they are to be able to make good judgement calls on the international or domestic stage.

    If the president of the USA does not have the attributes to analyze information and suggestions from his/her advisors…then the president merely becomes a puppet of these advisors.

    So,,,if one votes for Sen Obama-then that person better have solid knowledge about who Sen Obama’s advisors are because the advisors will be running the show…

    P.S. I STILL DO NOT KNOW WHY SEN OBAMA WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA…

  • rw

    Supreme leader Ali Khamenei,but that is a technicality because he RARELY meets with foreign dignitaries nor is he publicly visible. The mouthpiece for the Iran regime IS the president, currently Ahmadinejad. So Obama should really shut up on this, makes him look childish and stupid, not smart, which is what he was hoping for. It was another “I got a bracelet too” comment.

  • socalannie

    Exactly! I was saying the same thing to my husband as we watched. His voice is deep and loud, and people mistake that for being articulate. I have never understood why his fans are so in awe of his speaking ability.

    I also thought it was incredibly rude the way he kept interrupting McCain, and that the moderator should not have allowed this.

  • Dan

    That was indeed a pathetic moment. As if the “Hey, I’ve got a bracelet too!” comment wasn’t juvenille enough, not even knowing the soldier’s name shows that he only had it on for show. In reality, it meant nothing to him.

    The man is a fake. John McCain is the real deal.

    I hope and pray that on Nov. 4th, our country still retains the ability to distinguish between the two.

  • Dan

    That “focus group” was all of 20 people. Hardly a representative sample of the entire population.

    Anyone who watched that debate knows who won.

  • lark

    That I noticed too. Obama made a number of blunders that can be quite costly just as gratuitous statements.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    OT again sorry but I finally figured it out.

    MicHELLe Obama dresses like the little old wives of past Russian dictators. With their dumpy old dresses and seriously out of date fashion. Michelle’s dresses are splattered with dead flowers. Perhaps they are symbolic of Obama’s campaign.

    On topic: I love how Kissinger immediately released his statement slapping Obama upside the head and giving credit to McCain.

    Go, Johnny, go!

  • Dan

    Well, you must have watched a different debate from the rest of us. In the debate I saw, McCain was clearly the better man. It wasn’t close.

  • DAB

    McCain was also likable and spoke in a way that was direct and affecting. Obama was in usual lecture mode spouting tons of words — none of which were moving or memorable.

  • John Smith

    I think McCain did a great job. He came across as the one who knows things because he has been through it. There is nothing McCain could have done then actually knocking Obama out for the media to call this anything but a draw. How ever this debate only matters to what the people in PA, OH , MI think and I believe those people already have their mind made up. There is really nothing anybody can do or say to change what they think.

    I live in FL and in the 2004 election there were Kerry signs in almost every lawn. This year there are a few Obama signs. It almost seems that there is really not to much enthusiasm for Obama. Could his popularity be just a media creation?

  • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

    But to be an Affirmative Action candidate you have to be qualified—Obama doesn’t meet that basic requirement. Bush is definitely a legacy candidate.

  • athy

    HARP-
    Beautiful!
    Thank you so much for this link!!!!
    This will definetely get cross-posted

    bracelet video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r_jTgGeVU4

  • Indyvoter

    The people will decide!
    The pundits said Kerry won all the debates in ’04 didn’t they?

    I believe the race is close.
    Lots of people have fallen for Obama. He is a slick con-man. Let’s support the straight-talker.

  • beverly leslie

    The Ayotollah Khameni is the most powerful person in Iran. However, Ahmadinejad was installed by Khomeni and Ahmadinejad reflects all the beliefs of Khameni. All four branches of the government are now controlled by the religious radicals led by Khameni.

  • DAB

    I agree – Michelle looks better in more tailored clothes. Think she is trying to soften her image but it’s not quite working.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    You’re entitled to your opinion, how ever erroneous it may be.

    But your TV must need adjusting because McCain won.

  • andySF

    I think McCain was kind of playing nice on the issue of wall street melt down. I think he had enough to kick Obama’s butt(the former F&F CEO, and his own advocating reform in 2005). But I think his trying to put forth a bipartisan effort to get the deal done. I think he’s going to go into full attack mode in the next debate. Otherwise, McCain did great.

  • S – Angeltour

    I completely agree with you…when I saw that insensitive response from Obama I thought he just cheapened the discussion…he made it sound like a token…he has no shame…

  • PhxNickD

    I have been sitting back reading the posts and comments. I only saw the 2nd half of the debate and watched it on CNN website (no TV here). I gotta say Obama did better then I expected. Now I am not saying he took the debate and won it, but it was a hell of a lot better then anything I have seen in the past from him. I did notice some blunders and the major one “I got a bracelet too…” (shameful)

    On CNN they had an audience response meter on the screen and it showed a lot higher most of the time for Obama then McCain’s got. One interesting observation though, and I do not know how real time accurate that graph was, but the times Obama said “When I am President”, that graph dropped like a lead balloon.

  • http://ladyboomernyc.wordpress.com/ trixta

    You are soooo right when you say the following:

    So,,,if one votes for Sen Obama-then that person better have solid knowledge about who Sen Obama’s advisors are because the advisors will be running the show…

    P.S. I STILL DO NOT KNOW WHY SEN OBAMA WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE USA…

  • noepiphany

    what’s missing in this CNN opening para on their homepage re the debate:

    “U.S. presidential candidates Barack Obama have concluded their first debate that brought out sharp differences over the candidates’ views on foreign policy and economic issues”

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    Yes, Obama has a habit of talking about our country as an outsider.

    “Your”, “your president”, “the world opininion of America”.

    He does not talk like HE is part of that. And I really wished after the 2nd or 3rd time Obama said “your president”, that McCain would have shot back “He’s YOUR president, too”.

  • socalannie

    Hahaha! I can’t believe how fast the Kissenger statement came out! Love your statement, he did slap him upside the head!

  • jd4hill

    Get the word out!! Because the media is going to do everything they can to push voters the other way. Their conduct is a disgrace.

  • Jackie

    It breaks my heart. I wear a MIA bracelet from Viet Nam. I have had it since I was 5. I have worn the name off years ago. But I will always know it.

    I was so hurt by the fact that Obama couldn’t remember the mans name. That mother gave it to the turd in the hope that he would honor her son and remember her loss.

    That struck me cold. He has no honor and no respect for those who really sacrifice. Like McCain said Obama doesn’t get it. He doesn’t have enough experience to comprehend what a sacred gift he was given and he tried to use it against a former POW.

    No Way NObama.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    I am just trying to be a neutral observer on this,

    AND I HAVE NO ###DAMNED FUCKING LOVE FOR OBAMA.

    And yeah, you must have really been watching a different debate than I was.

  • beverly leslie

    I guess if frequently agreeing with your opponents position, talking in circles and coming across angry would be tantamount to a win, I would agree.

  • HARP

    Lets all send it to the MSM.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    Obama agreed with Hillary because he needs her votes. Obama screwed up and said McCain was right too many times and forgot that McCain was a Republican.

    It was ok for Obama to say he agreed with Hillary a number of times, however the tactic will not work with him when he agreed with a Republican too many times.

    ;)

    This shows that Obama is still stuck in the primary election days and his mentality is off beat.

  • John Smith

    Did you see the focus group. They were all white mostly white people. Now can you see being called a racist if you say anything that is actually true. Plus how do they decide who these undecided voters are. Plus, what makes them so undecided. If you don’t know who you are voting for then you really have no business commenting on a debate since you must have no idea about the candidates and what they stand for. If they did then they could not be undecided. For these people is just a way to get on TV.

  • Indy

    My husband and I discussed this, and my position is that the clerics are Ahmadinejad’s useful idiots. I think they are also Bin Laden’s useful idiots. I don’t any more believe that he believes in Allah than I believe Obama is a committed Christian. All of these guys are gods unto themselves-but exploiting religion is very useful to their lust for power.

  • beverly leslie

    If that is how you feel, it’s ok and no reason to curse because people disagree.

  • athy

    Buzz Latte & Karma
    Thanks for info & thanks for the link.
    I will be cross posting.
    There is a lot of activity on the blogs tonight.
    we have to get these facts out to voters BEFORE the Obama camp spins and distorts everything Sen Obama did and said tonight…

  • so saddened

    jmho, but i think obama wants to be president just because he wants to BE president. he especially wants to be “the first african american president” and have more stories about him in all the history books than the other presidents do, just because of the color of his skin.

    i also think the corrupt media want obama to win because they’re looking forward to all the articles and books they can sell, using the same “hook.” it’ll be the camelot story for their lifetimes. and they don’t care one bit if they have to invent the entire story – he just shows up and smiles and they do the rest.

    re the debate – perhaps just me, but i found it mildly amusing in the early parts that he sometimes dropped his g’s, an affectation he puts on when he’s trying to appeal to what he imagines are the habits of those clingy people he disdains and/or the african american people he knows virtually nothing about. over time, an affectation can become a habit, even in a setting like a debate when it’s clearly inappropriate and doesn’t reflect a presidential quality. (he didn’t do it much, but even a little reveals something about the man – a man i find utterly self-absorbed and self-invented).

    doesn’t really matter – the media are hell bent on ensuring that mccain supporters get discouraged and don’t show up and/or get conned and switch to obama. it will take a supreme act of will for enough voters to resist the constant message and show up and vote against the media-proclaimed victor. doubt we’ll be that lucky.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    I appreciate your condescension.

  • S – Angeltour

    HARP, thanks for that clip . I am sending it far and wide…that clip shows it all…Obama cares only for himself…I dislike him more and more each day…he is shameless…he has no sensitivity…nothing…creep

  • socalannie

    Wasn’t Michele named one of the 10 best dressed people by Vanity Fair? Just goes to show you how completely in the tank everyone in the msm is for the o’s. I don’t like her style at all. Her clothes are too tight and too many sleeveless things. (Coco Chanel said those were no-no’s for women that aren’t teenagers!)

  • candymarl

    CNN is running a poll, on its website, asking “Who won the first debate”?

    This was the second debate but that’s not what the poll is asking.

    Go to CNN.com. They want to know who won the first debate.

    Pravda couldn’t be more biased.

    Good lord. We may have 8 more years of a Bush-like ego driven, inexperienced, only wanted the job for the power type.

    Obama thought a debate was more important than a financial crisis effecting the entire nation. Trying to one up or embarrass McCain was more important than trying to solve the problem.

    We are so screwed.

  • lark

    It is funny how things reveal their deception soon enough and why things age and die their natural death. I don’t think that type of polling will continue much longer at Fox after this display of incoherence.

  • Paul3triple

    anything obama says cheapens the discussion.
    Though, on the bailout McCain really should have hung that around his neck.
    He came off better to me. The average person was looking for the hip young guy to run laps and embarass the older guy. IT DID NOT HAPPEN. The media’s idea that obama just had to show up is pure spin. Obama had to close the deal. He did not. I also do not see anything he did to make poeple more comfortable

    Also i agree with the article. We need a leader. Not a guy that shows up.

  • John Smith

    Did you see the focus group. They were all white mostly white people. Now can you see being called a racist if you say anything that is actually true. Plus how do they decide who these undecided voters are. Plus, what makes them so undecided. If you don’t know who you are voting for then you really have no business commenting on a debate since you must have no idea about the candidates and what they stand for. If they did then they could not be undecided. For these people is just a way to get on TV.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Well Done NewHampster.

  • http://www.latinorepublican.com DD

    It also shows that Obama cannot lead and be a creative leader up against McCain in a Presidential debate.

  • RottenFishArePeopleToo

    OBAMA: Jim, let me just make a point. I’ve got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant – from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, sure another mother is not going through what I’m going through.

  • SJ

    My view is McCain won tonight, we also have to remember this is a debate Obama said he was being prep for as a matter of fact three days of preparation.

    McCain no coaching he was busy flying off to Washington to deal with the bail out, he flew in for this debate and was still able to clean Obama’s clock so what should that tell anyone?

    McCain is on a plane back to Washington and Obama is in town in a hotel resting, people really have to be crazy if they want to make this man President.

  • lark

    That approach that gives the clerics an advantage over the President of the country is an approach that gives religion an advantage over the political way. It shows how much Mr. Obama has respect for Islam over politics. That shows the influence of Farrakhan on his views.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    I saw what I saw, and to me, McCain didn’t hit a home run,

    WHICH HE SHOULD HAVE, EASILY.

    He might have ended up on first, by bunting.

    Somewhere in there.

  • Jackie

    breathing pure air?

    I got a braclet too…

    would you like some cheese with that Whine.

  • HARP

    Lipstick on a……Oh never mind.

  • rw

    One final point before retiring, in the debate Obama mentioned the McCain statement that he would not meet with the leader of Spain, socialist Zapatero. Yes, Spain is an ally, yes it is a member of NATO.

    But, Zapatero is clearly very anti-American. When he first came into office, one of his first trips was to huggy/kissy a la hombre style with Hugo Chavez, he even wanted to sell Chavez US military planes with US technology. On another trip, in Tunisia, when the Iraq war was in it’s early stages, Zapatero called on all the nations of the US coalition to leave the coalition and denounce the war. And let us not forget how he summarily pulled out the non-combatant Spain troops after he gained power following the islamist train attacks in Madrid.

    Last, but just as offensive, while Zapatero was still in the opposition, he is SO anti-American that during a October 12th (Columbus Day) parade in Madrid, HE REFUSED TO STAND in respect for the US soldiers and US flag that had been invited by the Aznar government to participate in the parade. As a leader of the US, I wouldn’t meet with Zapatero either, I’d relegate my Sec. of State to deal with him. So much for our “ally”, Zapatero.

  • Peggy Sue

    The Fourth Estate is dead. Maybe it died long ago and I just didn’t notice. Maybe the scales have fallen from my eyes.

    For nearly sixty years [well, less because I couldn't vote nor did I really pay attention until I was of age] I was always solidly a Dem and believed we had a “free press.”

    This election has changed me, forever.

    Was McCain as strong as he could have been on the financial issues? No. He should have taken more credit and brought up the ridiculous add ons the Dems were trying to sneak into an already impossibly huge bailout. Did he mention the add on that Joe Biden [who I like] has weaseled for his own state of Delaware? No. Did he mention ACORN or LaRaza or the 1000 other appalling examples of representative-sensitive switch and bait causes–an attempted handout to organizations within the 700 billion dollar handout? No. Did he point fingers at Pelosi, Franks and Reid for their outrageous grandstanding for the cameras, their lies and duplicitousness? No. Did he admit that he was specifically asked to come to DC by the Treasury Sec. to get the Republicans into some sort of negotiation mindset? No.

    John McCain did what he has always done–taken the position of Country First. And right now this country needs a deal, a firm decision made without political posturing, preening and “I told you so’s.”

    He put the country first. Like a loyal soldier, he fell on his sword.

    But then we came to foreign policy. Not even close. Barack Obama could spend the next five years cramming and he wouldn’t come even to John McCain’s expertise [or HRC, for that matter].

    One is Presidential. One is Flash in the Pan.

    In a little more than a month, this country will decide. God help us, if we decide wrong.

    McCain ’08

  • Anne

    It is just like that flag pin…which country is it for? Among Barry’s ilk, it seems to be cool to be dismissive of our symbols of patriotic pride. As if that dismissiveness makes us all the more “global” and therefore, more liked by the rest of the world. He mentioned that tonight on several occasions.

    I’ve had conversations with my Democratic Obama supporter friends who look at me quisically when I mention that Barry might have dual allegiances to other countries…as if that should not be an issue…as if they have “moved beyond” that limitation of thought of duty to one country that I am bounded by.

    These Democrats I thought I knew scare me now.

  • VRWC – Jump ball Dept.

    1. Speaking of forgetfulness of names – from the album If Only I Could Remember My Name – the song “Laughing” by David Crosby, with Jerry Garcia, Joni Mitchell, and others – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXPt35KoU4 Yeah, I know, a rerun but I like it. One hopes that enough Obamans will wake up and recognize Obama as “a child, laughing in the sun.” Well, that’s downright pretty, but one can’t expect very many of them to just turn around and hate him. It’s not as if they identify him with the Chicago Machine or the Illinois Combine http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Levine+explained+how+ecumenical%22.

    2. Note also that Obama kept referring to McCain as “John” (and occasionally as “Tom”) while McCain consistently called Obama “Senator Obama.” McCain is following tradition (political and especially Senatorial for such events). People on the left are generally less likely to see respect/authority among foundational values, but, aside from the philosophical questions involved, here’s an interesting article on that and related questions by a liberal Democrat professor Jonathan Haidt “What makes people vote Republican?” in Edge, Sept. 9, 2008 http://edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.html Anyway, my point here is not that it’s wrong to question authority, much less is it that there’s something wrong (rather than admirable, in fact) with “Anyman” taking a familiar tone with a Senator. It’s that Obama is trying to come off as somebody not really invested in the system but instead above it. A whiff of Ayers. Okay, I haven’t worked this thought out very well yet, but there’s something there.

  • athy

    Ms. Misdemeaner-

    WHy do you think Sen Obama won this debate. Please be specific.

  • SJ

    Well Russia just gave Venezuela a credit for $US 1 billion. The money will give a boost to the military co-operation between the two countries.

    Another gentleman Obama says he would love to meet, seems Obama wants to chat with all those that have an issue with the USA

  • Indy

    I just clicked over to Drudge, and the banner ad said a CNN/Opinion poll declares OBullshit the winner(paid for by Obama for America). Honestly, as soon as I saw that McCain got under his skin (and he did, repeatedly)-I called a win for McCain. I can’t say how that plays for others, but the overall tone and demeanor of the candidates is something I look at.

  • https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=3 cindy

    Of course you would, did Barack give you your lunch money yet???

  • Dan

    There’s two more debates yet to come. Plenty of time left. But McCain really needs to make an issue of all the campaign cash that Obama reeled in from Fannie Mae, Goldman Sachs, Freddie Mac, AIG, Lehman, and Bear Stearns over the past three years. Over $1,000,000 in just over three years is a lot of coin.

  • Aleph

    They are both inadequate and Hillary could have debated them at the same time and clocked them both. John McCain would make a great military advisor and Obama deserves to be in jail along with his DNC cronies.

    I pass.

  • candymarl

    I don’t need a bracelet. Obama can’t stand the military or veterans.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    John,

    I think most of us us would rather spend our spare time trimming our nether regions, or nose hairs, than participating in freakin focus groups.

    More productive I think.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    Obviously they only started paying attenton after her make over during the Primary.

  • S – Angeltour

    this is what I took away from the debate…that McCain has Honor…and Obama just lacks honor…

    McCain has a lifetime where he earned his honor…Obama has a braclet to ‘counter’ McCain’s braclet…

    I, like so many of us, am a lifelong Dem…this election is very eye opening in so many ways…

  • Anne

    bound by…and I am hounded by Obama’s apparent and repeatedly observed lack of awareness and sentiment of our country’s basic principles and values. I wonder if he is aware of it. If so, he brushes it off of his shoulder, because I believe he is on another mission, and that is to right the wrongs, both here and abroad, still perceived by his major constituency.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    His narcissism. He has created a life, made up and ignored the real. He has real problems with reality and ego and made a deal with the devil to get to power.

    …very scary.

  • http://lesstalkmoreactivism.blogspot.com/ whoframedrudy

    I despise Obama and I had already decided to vote for McCain. I was surprised by McCain’s energy and spirit. He showed more energy than Obama who is 25 years younger. The ‘age card’ was obliterated tonight. McCain is an extraordinary man of strength, passion, loyalty, character and honor.

    My vote went from being an ‘I HATE OBAMA’ vote to an ‘I love McCain’ vote. As Russia, Al Queada and Iran encircle us and try to knock us off the top of the mountain, McCain is the one to lead us. America must prevail!

  • WildChild

    nope, but he keeps talking about change.

  • candymarl

    That is damning with faint praise. Obama doesn’t need experience, accomplishments, or didn’t manage to help black folks in his own back yard what’s he got left?

    He’s the great Hoper and Changer. He has all of the answers. Except when he doesn’t and has no plan.

    If the free-for-all in the Oval Office is an example of Obama’s leadership skills we are in troiuble.

    Again I ask:

    Why is McCain to blame for no agreement but the great Leader and Savior of Us All Obama didn’t produce one either? Where’s his responsibility for that?

  • beverly leslie

    Yes, he did better than you expected because he was always horrendous during the primaries. He was not good he was better than he was before. Our threshold of competance is becoming so low, someone can be o.k. and it seems good and as the post states, when has good been acceptable for a President?

  • PhxNickD

    isn’t that what on the job training is all about?

  • Maria3

    Wow! look at what Politico had to say…

    The Mac is back

    John McCain was very lucky that he decided to show up for the first presidential debate in Oxford, Miss., Friday night. Because he gave one of his strongest debate performances ever.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14005.html

  • texaslatina

    as much as the media tries to brainwash us, i love the fact that pumas have a brain and think independently for themselves. no amount of media bias is going to work on us. P.U.M.A.!!!

  • so saddened

    a small thing, but reflects on the character of the candidates. obama spoke first, never mentioned kennedy, even though kennedy had a lot to do with him being where he is. then mccain spoke, and mccain mentioned kennedy being hospitalized, even though kennedy’s against him.

    mccain is a gentleman, and a man of high character.

    obama is a user who is only concerned about himself and only cares about others for the brief period he needs something from them.

    jmho.

  • http://mybluecountry.googlepages.com/whattheobamademocratsaresayingposter Linda

    this was michelle and Barack at Democratic Connecticut Convention dinner for Lieberman in 2006.

    http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images11/us_rich_scandal/barack_michelle_obama.jpe

  • DC

    The MSM is so full of Sh*t. The fact that they say “Obama needed to look Presidential and he did so he won” shows how corrupt they are.

    Why the heck should we vote for someone who LOOKS Presidential? McCain actually IS presidential and doesn’t need to practice. I actually heard some on the MSM add things to what Obama said that he didn’t even say. As if they all had the same memo about what they should say about Obama’s answers. They had to fill in the gaps for him.

    McCain wiped the floor with him. There was no contest.

  • candymarl

    Listening to local PA radio station(s) Obama and Biden are in trouble there.

    The bitter, guns, clingy remark didn’t go over well with PA folks beyond Philly.

    Joe Biden can’t show his family ever worked the mines. The current mine workers and families are demanding proof. Biden hasn’t produced it.

    Unless Biden has pictures he can say what he wants. The rural folks and their families aren’t buying it.

  • The X

    OBAMA: Jim, let me…let me…uh, let just make a point… uh… I’ve got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant… uh… – from the mother of… uh… Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, [SMIRKS] sure another mother is not going through what I’m going through.

    (unedited version)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Obama is an actor, which is why he was taking tips this political season on presentation from George Clooney. It’s pathetic, actually.

    Tonight, he over-acted, and badly so.

    I did up two quick videos (total length around 12:00) of my reaction to the McCain-Obama debate, for those who would like to listen/watch. It’s just audio with a back screen shot of a still photo of myself, for identification purposes.

    McCain won the debte, that is indisputable. Obama handled himself pretty well, but it was the Arizona senator’s night -

    Part 1:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmXnK2JDZg

    Part 2:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YXtnkF286w

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Eric Cartman is my inner child.

    I apologize profusely.

  • stodghie

    that says to me that obama just put the braclet on recently just for the debate otherwise even he would have known the name. DEMOCRATS HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

  • bayareavoter

    My husband thought the most interesting difference between the 2 men is that McCain said over and over again, ” when I did this; when I was in the Senate; when I voted ….because he has so much experience behind him

    contrasted

    with Obama’s “I will do this and I will do that”–he has zero experience to recall. He’s never done anything relevant to being president. We’re just supposed to believe he can do it and hope he can….

  • RottenFishArePeopleToo

    I spent some time in the left wing echo chamber tonight and noticed that they are studiously avoiding any comments on Obama’s remarks about missle defense and Afghanistan.

    Silence speaks louder than words.

  • so saddened

    to obama, it IS just a prop. to mccain, it reflects a real person, who died serving his country and left a loving and grieving family. that’s the difference in the two men and says more than any policy quibbling. mccain has character and obama only has ambition.

  • stodghie

    magnificant specimen of the human form? please! no way! obama is not magnificent. he is a mean looking rather skinny man with a beer belly!

  • socalannie

    omg. That picture is a hoot!

  • stodghie

    dang another troll running false flags who is dumb enough to think we don’t see it. midemeanor, put a sock in it.

  • Susan1968

    It also depeonds onw hat state this focus group was in. I’m sure they didn;t fly them in form several states.

    This election will be won or lost on electoral votes – state by state by state…

    The truth is — Obama has NOT closed the deal.

    In a year ANY Democrate should be leading by 10 points, Obama has a slim single-digit lead just five weeks from election day.

    I repeat – Obama has not closed the deal.

  • WildChild

    I love how BOBO is trying to mind meld with himself. Michele, she just looks pissed.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    I don’t see hardly any Obama signs here in Los Angeles and this is a haven for Obamabots. Maybe a few bumper stickers on cars. So something is up.

  • stodghie

    dang then she is a slow learner. they have had plenty of time to clean her up for the public. but like obama she would disgrace this country.

  • Anne

    I recall feeling that the Republicans overplayed their patriotism in the 2004 elections and that “patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel,” which is exactly what I thought of Bush in 2000 and 2004. Scoundrel. I felt that their use of the flag pins diminished and belittled this symbolism as they sought to simultaneously dismantle our freedoms.

    So I was open to Obama’s distancing himself from adopting that practice, initially.

    But now, I have seen a pattern in Obama that is not a result of the last eight years, but of his own lifetime experiences. His disconnection with this country that he seeks to govern is reflected by these actions and are not a reaction to Republican symbolism abuse.

    Obama has become the scoundrel by feigning allegiance to this country.

  • Prem

    He wants to take our country down because he has so much hatred for us. It is scary.

  • KathyNeocon

    Obama’s a tool.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    My family worked in those mines. My great uncle lost his arm in one of them. If I can show proof and Biden can’t, that’s pretty lame.

  • Cahil

    Good enough became good enough with the advent of affirmative action. That’s what Obumble represents. That’s why no one challenges him on his reversals, his birth certificate, his three hundred thousand dollar below market sweetheart deal for a home, his lack of holding any meetings as chair of the NATO/Afghanistan committee, and on and on and on.

    It’s why our schools are failing, our workforce is less capable, our comedians rely on bathroom humor instead of intellect. We’ve dumbed everything down so no one feels left out,rather than raise the standard and expect more or let the lax fall by the way side.

    How many times in the last year plus have we heard that we should vote for O because he’s black. Yet even the AA community doesn’t seem to see the irony and insult to Dr. Kings memory and dream that people would be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

    Sadly in America, we have become the TV generation, more concerned with image than substance or character.

  • stodghie

    these media hacks have an agenda. these people give them what they want. it is a false presentation.

  • Snickers

    I could barely stomach watching the debate. Each time I see Senator Obama I become nauseous. That this situation was even allowed to get this far because of the DNC is revolting and sickening.
    Senator Obama has even confirmed his dual citizenship on his own Fight The Smears website and the media is still not talking about it? We must all work hard to make sure this Fraud loses resoundingly in November.

  • Dan

    One thing that Obama said tonight just absolutely infuriated me. When he was in the process of answering Lehrer’s question about the lessons learned from the Iraq conflict, he stated …

    ” … and Al-Qaeda is now stronger than ever.”

    Simply put, this is a flat-out LIE!

    Over the past seven years, Al-Qaeda’s worldwide organization has been significantly degraded. 3/4 of its senior operatives have either killed or captured and its money flows have been substantially curtailed.

    But most importantly, as a direct result of the Iraq War and the barbaric tactics that Al-Qaeda has employed in fighting it, Al-Qaeda’s approval rating among rank & file muslims around the world has plunged. They have been exposed not as noble defenders of islam, but as amoral, bloodthirsty savages who kill muslims and christians with equal zeal and indiscriminance.

    In the battle for the hearts and minds of the world’s 1 billion muslims, THIS is arguably the single most imrpotant enduring legacy of the Iraq War, and yet the media and the Democrats have totally missed it! While islamic terrorists are still capable of causing great damags, in the larger context of the “Global War on Terror” the West is winning big-time.

    So it greatly annoys me that all Barack Obama can do is mindlessly repeat the same Daily Kos talking points about Al-Qaeda being “stronger than ever” when such an assertion has absolutely no basis in reality whatsoever. I was really disappointed that McCain didn’t immdeiately call him on that statement.

    George Bush may have been a screw-up as president in most things, but one thing he has done well over the last 7 years is royally kick Al-Qaeda’s ass. Al-Qaeda is a much weaker, much more splintered organization today than it was seven years ago.

  • Paul3triple

    obama’s cl;osing statement about the USA not being good anymore was horrible.
    Mac clearly won, and if you read the live blog post it is clear everyone hear thought so.
    THEN, you started watching TV news and are not so sure from the obama spin.
    Frankly, i am not sure why any of you watch these channels. I do not and will not.
    Go with your gut. Mac really hammered him on Foriegn policy. Destroyed him. He made him look weak.
    Obama, not ready to lead.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    Obama does NOT look presidential whatsoever, unless you consider his big ears sticking out of his head making him look like a black version of GW Bush.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Fuck off asshole.

    I’ve been here three months, and I guess your pea brain can search the comments I have written here, if you have a brain.

    Go fuck off in the corner now, and don’t embarrass the adults here with your adolescent wankering.

  • KathyNeocon

    I’ve seen a lot of Obama bumper stickers here in LA, unfortunately. I look at the people driving those cars, and they all look like tools.

    Haven’t seen a McCain/Palin sticker, probably because they know their car won’t last 5 minutes in this town with that on it.

    I have a McCain/Palin sign in the window of my apartment. I’m expecting my neighbors to start harassing me. Haven’t heard anything from them yet. :-)

  • Janet

    Here’s a link to our Seattle (NBC) local news channel stating that the debate was a draw, but very close re the economy 49 to 45 Obama, but McCain won the debate by a landside re both the war in Iraq and the situation with Russia. What is most interesting is that Independents in Washington State felt McCain won the debate by a ratio of 4 to 3.

    http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=287163

    Hmmmm… Pretty interesting numbers for a blue state.

    McCain/Palin 2008
    Hillary 2012

  • Firefly

    What’s sad is that in one of the debate focus groups of supposedly undecided voters on TV tonight, they said McCain was too much about the past and he didn’t talk enough about what he was going to do. They liked 0bama because he was all about the future – they seemed to like his inexperience. Good memorization and empty rhetoric seemed to be a plus for these people. That’s how I knew they weren’t undecided voters at all – just playing them on TV.

  • KathyNeocon

    Typical Obama. He can’t hide his haughty disdain for this country–it oozes out of his pores. Disgusting that he feels that way and wants to lead this country and be the Commander-in-Chief of our military. What a nightmare. I wish he’d go back to Kenya or wherever the hell he’s from.

  • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

    Yes, there are Obama bumper stickers but I don’t think there are as many as there were with Kerry in 04, which surprises me.

  • KathyNeocon

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Garfield

    Off Topic:

    Go to the first website below to read a discussion about Obama’s Kenyan citizenship.

    The website states:

    “. . .at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.”

    The website also states:

    “Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

    The question is, how do we as Americans know that Obama has not: 1. renounced his U.S. citizenship, or 2. sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya?

    The MSM has not reported on the above or following issue.

    A former Deputy Attorney General for Pennsylvania filed a lawsuit questioning Obama’s constitutional eligibility to run for and hold the office of POTUS. To read more about the lawsuit, go to the second website below.

    factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

    americasright.com/2008/09/obama-dnc-file-motion-to-dismiss-in.html

  • audacity

    i agree. he can nail him in the second one so the wounds r open for the last

  • jrterrier

    that “me too” struck me also. particularly because McCain had been so moved when he mentioned the bracelet.

  • Ciardha

    They let Obama do that to Hillary in almost all the debates during the primary too, except for the one the Obots pitched a fit about where he was actually asked real questions and fumbled all over the place. They asked Hillary tough questions and she answered them all strong and clear.

  • jackie

    I also remember the primary debates with Hillary. Even though she always cleaned his clock in every debate, the press would declare Obama the winner because he “held his own,” against Hillary. Seems like the same tonight.

  • jrterrier

    what a total idiot.

  • Country First

    Good point, Linda!

  • Vicki

    Hopefully, in this election, that will be true. It was not true in the Dem primary, obviously.

  • KathyNeocon

    That’s Affirmative Action for you. McCain has to succeed and excel, prove himself. Obama simply has to hold his own and not make a fool of himself, and that’s considered success for him. Sad.

  • jrterrier

    and more importantly, they chose W over Gore. and W’s war, over truth.

  • ziggy

    ” … and Al-Qaeda is now stronger than ever.”

    Simply put, this is a flat-out LIE!

    Alas, it isn’t a lie. It’s true, according to a recent threat assessment compiled by the National Counterterrorism Center for the White House.

    Al-Qaeda has regrouped, set up training centers in Pakistan, and is in an even better position to mount attacks against the West.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/11/AR2007071102443.html

  • richasis

    This is by far one of the best posts I have ever read on this blog.

    Needless to say, I couldn’t agree with you more. It is just so sad…

  • Hillary2012

    John and Sarah 2008
    Hillary 2012

  • richasis

    gosh, this might be just as bad as the inner-cities of the U.S.

  • jrterrier

    roger simon, on politico calls it for mccain. that’s very good, i think because simon often favors obama. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14005.html

  • Country First

    I’ve been watching a replay and am struck with Obama’s eyes and eyelids. It looks as if he’s falling asleep, trying to keep himself awake. McCain looks bright eyed and wide awake. Interesting…

  • maidyalook2

    I bet BO wishes he hadn’t made such a fuss about McCain being at the debate tonight instead of Washington. If Barney Fife had kept his mouth shut he could have done his little town hall meeting all by himself. But then, he still would have bombed. Once again, bad judgement Barry!! WaaWaa, I got a bracelet to, so there, you big meanie McCain.

  • anonymous

    There really is something sad about your comment, but it isn’t what you think, and it isn’t something that you’re able to see yourself.

  • HRocks

    Obama clearly stated that McCain was right>

    McCain released this video immediately following the debate.

    http://www.classicalvalues.com/

  • Country First

    For the focus groups who called the debate an Obama win:

    In Plane 1, you have Obama with a manual.
    In Plane 2, you have McCain.

    Get on board folks, who are you gonna fly with?

  • mel

    Something oveerlooked and extremely important was revealed tonight, McCain nailed Obama on earmarks to the tune of $980 million since Obama joined the Senate, McCain claiming that amount in 900 days as a Senator, Obama goofed by stating he stopped seeking earmarks when he decided to run for POTUS.

    Well Obama did that after being in the Senator for only 143 days, so doing the simple math, Obama seeked close to $7 million a day of earmarks before stopping. Imagine if Obama did not run for POTUS, using the same math, Obama would have sought close to $6.3 Billion in earmarks thus far and after serving a full term, that amount would be reaching in excess of $14.5 billion in earmarks.

    So Obama running for POTUS has saved taxpayers almost $14 Billion to date! Can America afford Obama as a Senator, let alone as a POTUS?

  • Karma

    On my monitor Cindy looked like she was dressed in red.

    But this media pic looks like Cindy’s pantsuit might have been orange.

    http://media.kansascity.com/smedia/2008/09/26/23/218-Presidential_Debate_MSAB119_09-27-2008_3615EAFT.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg

    What color does it come up on yours?

    It makes you wonder if the stripes in McCain’s tie were orangish?

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Athy:

    I’ll try to answer tomorrow, or the next day.

    Your’s truly, the messenger, has been shot in the back by so many arrows, that it will take me the better part of a day or two to pull them all out and staunch the bleeding.

    I will try to answer you then.

    Take Care.

  • Country First

    I like your math! Good point.

  • Garfield

    Are you one of the “anonymous,” part of the Anonymous group?

    There is nothing sad about telling the truth. Obama is a thug. He is being given special privileges by the MSM and his cult followers.

    This is something you’re unable to see.

  • Dan

    Then why haven’t there been any more attacks here in the US? Why aren’t there attacks occurring all over Europe? Why has their strength in Iraq dwindled to almost nothing?

    The proof is in the pudding. I suspect that this “threat assessment” is designed mostly to keep the budget dollars flowing in Washington.

    I have no illusions that Al-Qaeda does not remain a serious threat. They are a very serious threat. But at the same time, the fact is that Al-Qaeda put everything they had into defeating the west in Iraq and got their clocks cleaned.

  • KathyNeocon

    Oh please. So I’m a racist now? Obama is so obviously not qualified to be where he is. He never should have got into Harvard (he wasn’t even a A student in high school), and it goes on and on from there. He’s Affirmative Action backfiring.

    If a qualified, savvy black or other race Republican ran for President, I’d vote for him or her in a minute (I had hoped Colin Powell would run some day). Outside of the Clintons I’m done with the Democrats. This isn’t about race. It’s about a sham, unqualified candidate who has the MSM shoving him down our throats and selling him as the next Messiah.

  • Zeke

    Janet,
    How trippy is that? You do realize that the eight hundred dead people from Seattle who elected Christine G, governor, don’t answer telephone polls, so the numbers are skewed toward McCain…
    Or maybe the extra caffeine from LatteLand has helped folks to do the financial breakdown with more clarity and thus, they know who is doing what to who and they don’t much like it.
    regards

  • mcpalin hill

    jackie–I have never seen Obama’s charm or wit. I see a man who trained for 15 years with an executive search firm to mimic every nuance of a president in order to make people believe that he is President. He has it all down pat except for the knowledge and experience it takes to become the leader of the free world. In all those years of training it never occurred to him to learn this country’s history or develop core beliefs with which to live by. It is Obama’s achilles heal–unless he is using a teleprompter he appears studied and cold. Rasmussen said yesterday that unless Obama shows his real self he is going to lose in a landslide to McCain who is a comfortable old shoe.

  • Zee

    His FAKE southern accent is horrendously jarring as well.

    135 uhsduring his 45 minutes….average 3 per minute.

    Don’t fear, tho. Fox found two groups who watched the debate who were NOT handpicked by the media.

    One was gathered by a local paper outside Scranton, a DEM AREA, where they all thought Mac won it hands down and they were convinced to vote MAC.

    The other was a synagog in Florida where they remained divided…so much so the rabbi had to break up fights!

    PA will go red.

  • Susan1968

    The CNN poll of undecided voters virtually has it as a third for Mac, a third for Obama and a third undecided.

    These are the folks who will decide this election.

    And judgingfrom the numbers it’s still a virtual tie in a year that any Democrat should win.

    McCain is the most centrist Republican in the Senate — essentially what we have here is the same thjing we had in the primary — Obama cannot close the deal.

    And there will be no superdels to carry him across the finish line.

    Bottom line — McCain did NOT come across like the dottering old senile man that Obama’s camp claims he is.

    That old guy put Obama back on his heels several times.

    Mac came across as sincere, Obama came across as over rehearsed.

    I don’t need any MSM poll to tell me what I saw and heard is not true.

    McCain won – hands down.

  • Zeke

    Dan,
    You’re right and zitty is a troll. No feeding trolls on weekends.
    regards

  • anonymous

    Did I say anything about race?

  • Seattle Moss

    I’m glad us independents have company up here.
    In all elections democrats poll better on issues of the economy. Democrats usually lose because they fail to meet the threshold on national security.
    The Seattle poll clearly shows that McCain won as Commander and Chief
    McCain will be president!

  • Zee

    Good catch…and earlier just before the debate I saw a clip of McCain and he was wearing an orange tie.

  • mcpalin hill

    S Angeltour — Yes Obama has a bracelet to counter McCain’s bracelet. Obama copies everybody because there is no Obama. Just a timid guy named Barry Soetoro who wants to soar above everyone else. Because he has no gut principles of his own he copies others. Because he feels nothing he can mimic everyone else — however, a president who feels nothing about the people is a very dangerous president indeed.

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Tell your propaganda story to the Paks, whose infantry are engaging Taliban and AQ in the NW Frontier Region, even as we write.

    I’m sure they will be extremely impressed and appreciative of your analysis and knowledge of the situation.

  • Seattle Moss

    Obama is just an actor who copies other peoples scripts

  • Ginger

    If I had given it to him, I would ask for it back and send it to John, at least then my loved one would be respected.

  • KathyNeocon

    No, but it’s usually an Obots first line of attack. In any event your opinion is of no consequence.

  • mcpalin hill

    the x — its all about Obama 24/7. He is an arrogant SOB who was taught to speak well and the racist media thinks that GOOD ENOUGH.

  • Ginger

    This is Barry’s disorder…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissocial_personality_disorder

  • mcpalin hill

    ANI — This was not lost on the people who watched the debate. The one thing we seek in a president is a person of unique qualities–Obama has none.

  • Garfield

    KathyNeocon,
    Drink the kool-aid like no-name anonymous and you can imagine all kinds of wonderful things too.

    Remember KathyNeocon, if Obama is elected POTUS, every day will be a holiday. You will never have to work again!

    And, Obama will hold hands with Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Putin, Gaddafi, and Castro and make ever lasting peace on earth.

  • Zeke

    Yup,
    Every time I see this brought up I half expect Rod Serling to pop out from around some corner… Where the hell IS Barry really from, anyway?
    Mac looked solid tonight and even Barry couldn’t help but agree. Students of history, remember JFK/Nixon? Two big things happened. Nixon’s makeup failed and showed his five o’clock shadow… and Kennedy, already knowing Nixon’s position on everything, just co-opted ones he could accept and ran like hell with ‘em. Since Nixon could only look at JFK, sweat off his make-up and say “I agree with Senator Kennedy,” just under a million or so times in the first debate alone, he got drubbed. Tack on Nixon’s nearly invisible gray suit and it looked more like a parole hearing than a debate.
    The point is that all Nixon could do on his big points was say, “Hey, you stole my idea!”
    Tonight Barry just stood there and said “McCain is right” eight times! Subliminal psy-ops would call this in McCain’s favor BIG TIME…

  • Ms. Misdemeanor

    Me Too.

  • Ginger

    Barry has a disorder:
    Specifically, the dissocial personality disorder is described by the World Health Organization by the following criteria:

    1. Callous unconcern for the feelings of others and lack of the capacity for empathy.
    2. Gross and persistent attitude of irresponsibility and disregard for social norms, rules, and obligations.
    3. Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.
    4. Very low tolerance to frustration and a low threshold for discharge of aggression, including violence.
    5. Incapacity to experience guilt and to profit from experience, particularly punishment.
    6. Marked proneness to blame others or to offer plausible rationalizations for the behavior bringing the subject into conflict.
    7. Persistent irritability.

    The criteria specifically rule out Conduct disorders.[3] Dissocial personality disorder criteria differ from those for antisocial and sociopathic personality disorders.

  • KathyNeocon

    Oh goodie!! Maybe I’ll change my vote to Obama now. I want to live on a commune with Chavez and company, assorted terrorists, Rezko, and Reverend God Damn America Wright, forego showers, grow my own food, pump my own water, make tie-dye shirts, collect government handouts at the same time bash and trash the country I live in. Utopia indeed, and Obama’s just the guy to make it happen.

  • KathyNeocon

    The Doctor is IN!!

    Five cents please. LOL!

  • Tyrione

    I found it very telling that John McCain opens his remarks by expressing best wishes for Senator Kennedy, whereas the Kennedy planned candidate doesn’t even mention it.

    Sad.

  • red_sleeves

    Cindy should have tried to bump fists with Michelle.

  • mcpalin hill

    X — I just sent this video and the verbal to Sean Hannity. Fingers crossed he talks about this.

  • dc

    Favorite Lines:

    “I have a Bracelet Too”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r_jTgGeVU4

    “McCain is Right”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

  • Zeke

    Well Mac sure looked ready to do the job tonight.
    Barry was:
    Hauled out behind the woodshed
    Clock cleaned
    Hand folded and put away
    None of this bull pucky about the economy argument going Barry’s way. It won’t wash simply because we know who really carries the blame for letting the bastards rob us all… Barney, the big purple Frank-farter and his cartoon pals who ALL voted to screw us. That’s who. And it will come out… and the blame WILL go to those who earned it. And that will be the end of Obama and his economics savvy because his current econ boyz could both end up under indictment for bank fraud.

  • mcpalin hill

    SJ — When Obama calls the President George Bush and John McCain John — he is elevating himself to the same level as people who are far more important than he is. To me he looks like a street kid playing dress up.

  • Zeke

    Can we sing that Coke song? You know, the old one from the late sixties-seventies?
    How ’bout bell bottoms… can we have bell bottoms?

  • VMorris

    I have to agree that it is pretty pathetic when the best thing the MSM can say about Obama is that he didn’t suck.

  • mcpalin hill

    PleaseNoObama — I am going to call him ME TOO OBAMA.

  • KathyNeocon

    Absolutely. And when we’re not walking bare-footed, we’ll drive around in Volkswagen vans with flower and peace sign stickers on them. C’mon Obama!! You can do it!!

  • mcpalin hill

    AF Catfish — The barritone voice is made up too. He used to have a high voice.

  • mcpalin hill

    Dan yes McCain is the better man and the media is doing everything they can to make us choose the worst man.

  • richasis

    from the outside looking in, i have a deep respect for PUMAs… Ya’ll Go! :)

  • Seattle Moss

    As we were saying earlier Obama’s achilles heal is the Fannie/Freddie debacle and his connections and their involvement which will cost us a trillion. The fact that Mac came to the rescue to prevent acorn from profiting will also be the big story.
    Next week this issue is everywhere!

    Your point on prosecution needs to be a constant reminder…

  • Lisa

    After watching the entire debate, clearly John McCain won.
    I don’t see this as a “draw” in any way , shape or form.
    When the media calls this a “draw”, I know exactly that McCain won.

  • Holden Caulfield

    this clip from cnn shows the right angle that shows obama reading the name from the bracelet…the fox vid just shows him looking down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdmywc39XD0

  • Holden Caulfield

    this clip from cnn shows the right angle that shows obama reading the name from the bracelet…the fox vid just shows him looking down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdmywc39XD0

  • mcpalin hill

    so saddened — 86% of Republicans and 49% of Democrats feel the media is manipulating this election. The people will hold. Its the cheating I worry about.

  • Tyrione

    Washington’s far less of a blue state today, than it was in 1992. Rossi almost pulled it off in 2004.

    Gregoire now addressing a $3.2 Billion deficit isn’t going to do well for her.

    Governor Locke was a joke and I voted for Gregoire. She was doing quite well until they decided to make King County the most important county and the rest of us but mere peons.

    Don’t be surprised if Christine Gregoire loses though the Senate ladies continue Democrat–they’ve done a fine job.

    A better mix of Independents, Democratic Libertarians, Republicans and Democrats would sure be nice to have.

  • mcpalin hill

    seattle — the McCain ads will take care of Obama on the credit crunch deal. How can he have any standing on this issue when his advisors were the bosses of these companies and he took in the second most money from these people who screwed the nation? GO MCCAIN GO. Cindy McCain will make a terrific first lady.

  • mcpalin hill

    Mel — However, Obama wants to give 150 Billion to Acorn as part of the Wall Street Bailout. So I guess earmarks are back big time.

    McCain had quite a day. He was tortured by the Democratic Party and the Media and he stopped the Democrats from going forward with this 700 Bill Bailout until the earmarks are history. Then he won tonight’s debate–Looking more like a man of 50 instead of 72. I love the guy.

  • Jay Ferguson

    Has anybody taken note that BO and Biden are trained lawyers?… so it should be expected they can speak more eloquently and are adept at snowing people over with tons of facts in an attempt to make you think they’re very knowledgeable. Don’t fall for it.

    McCain/Palin 2008

  • mcpalin hill

    This is an e-mail I just received from the McCain Campaign.

    Tonight, Senator Obama and I participated in the first debate of the general election. It was a spirited debate and I believe the difference between our visions for America were made very clear.

    In a few hours, I will return to Washington to resume negotiations with the Administration and Congressional leaders from both parties to forge a bipartisan solution to our economic crisis. I am optimistic we will come to a final agreement soon. All voices must be represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners.

    We cannot be interested in who would get credit f or finding a solution and who would be blamed if an agreement cannot be reached. We must put our country first to solve this economic crisis. Because in the end, that’s what leaders do in times of crisis.

    Our next president and Congress will face challenging times that require selfless leadership. They must find solutions to issues like the economy, national security, and energy independence. I’m ready to work with Governor Palin and our Congressional allies to address the nation’s most pressing challenges. Make no mistake, we are ready to lead and the Obama-Biden Democrats are not.

  • kgirl1028

    well you know, since we african americans can’t get experience and wisdom, and not as capable as whites, you have to let us ride on the debate short bus. YOu know when we just measure up, you know like venus and serena, tiger, bill cosby, ben carson, and the tuskegee air men they just can compete on with whites and so the media has to be happy when black people are just good enough cause lord knows if they expect the samething from blacks that we did from whites, that we would never measure up. Right?

    Wrong as hell! that’s why this bullshit is so insulting. YOu don’t successfully seperate simese twins joined at the head, by just being good enough, you do it by being at the very top of you game. Bill clinton was never my first Black president, and neither will obama, he cheated and continues to lie and cheat on other people. When he screws up, in office, just like he did in that negotiation meeting, i will be the man one calling for his head, and for the head of those that decided they wanted to ram him down our throats. Truthful I feel the same ire for obama after the bail out proposal house of lies, that i do for George Bush when he sent Powell to lie to the UN. Powells a soldier and bush is his commander and cheif. McCain came back to washington in good faith, because he told he was needed, and they called obama to grandstand, and when obama sent the negotiations to hell, they tried to blame mccain. One day, obama’s not going to have the good enough crew to cover his ass, and when he does he will screw up and screw up big. thats why you aim for excellence, that why good enough isn’t enough, especially when you have peoples lives in your hands.

  • http://chriss chris

    Which is why I can’t understand that OB is anywhere near the lead in the polls. There is no substance at all with OB. He must rehearse well but he didn’t look like he was doing anything but reading a script. When he had to deviate he basically said “I agree with John.” That pollster, Frank L. on Fox had a group of indie voters, undecided, and they polled more for OB. Said McC just talked about his war hero stuff and didn’t explain his positions like OB, What a joke. Seems the consensus is McC won. I sure hope Sarah eats Biden’s lunch. She needs to make up for the Couric interview. I hope she’s a good studier.

  • Sue

    Nope.

    He’s a black Howdy Doody.

    http://www.doodyville.com/

  • Creature of Chicago

    I didn’t watch the entire debate, but I will say this:
    I had underestimated 0zero’s acting ability.
    The man is an actor, plain and simple. For three days he was rehearsed and prepped and he was able to come out strong.

    In the beginning.

    The foreign policy piece was a no-brainer. McCain took it hands down.

    I agree with you that McCain didn’t knock it out of the park overall. However, this is what I saw:
    McCain delivered some hard punches. You could always tell by Zero’s murderous glare trained John’s way. Or towards the end, in response to a McCain zinger, 0zero flashed his best snake oil smile.

    I did hear one of the Fox guys say that 0zero’s intent was to needle McCain into a display of his “legendary temper”. And instead the old canny bastid managed to probe and prod and learn Zero’s weaknesses.

    This was only the first debate. McCain is going to get some coaching of his own on how to exploit the zero’s soft places.

    I would say, in light of Zero’s ability to “present”, and in the eyes of the public, (not bloggers who examine and deconstruct every Barky utterance) this debate was a draw, slight advantage McCain.

    The 0bamas’ body language told the tale at the end. His face when approaching his wife clearly showed that it didn’t go as planned.

  • Sue

    John McCain loves this country. Barack Obama does not. His loathing of this country comes through loud and clear especially with this comment “I don’t think any of us can say that our standing in the world now, the way children around the world look at the United States, is the same.”
    If people are actually paying attention, I think it will be one of the biggest reasons he goes down in flames in November. Someone who wants to be President should not be dissing his own country. It plays well with the far left because they don’t like this country either, but it has a tendancy to piss regular people off and in my mind, makes him look bad..really bad.

    McCain won the debate hands down. I can’t wait for the next one!

    Btw..if Obama isn’t ahead at least 10 points in the polls the week before the election, he’s cooked.

  • http://showmestate sherri

    The Maverick won. The Obama stations can spin it all they want. Making fun of how McCain had trouble pronouncing a name when all the while Obama is sounding like Elmer Fud or Porky the Pig…TH th th th th thats all folks.

  • Creature of Chicago

    It looked red on the screen I was watching.

    About McCain’s tie:
    who the eff allowed him to appear on TV wearing that damn test pattern tie?

    I couldn’t believe it! After all his years in the public eye, doesn’t he know about TV friendly attire?

    I’m going to write his campaign.
    That tie was just wrong.

  • MEchelle Hates America!

    You nailed him Ginger!

    New Hampster is right on too – Oblowme is the Chauncey Gardner (Being There) candidate. Pathetic.

  • Creature of Chicago

    This is significant.

    The old guy has the stamina of Jake LaMotta (before he got fat).

  • Creature of Chicago

    I was surprised by McCain’s energy and spirit. He showed more energy than Obama who is 25 years younger.

    I was surprised too. I share you concerns about national security, which is why I’m supporting McCain.

    (p.s. I like the commentary on your blog.)

  • Creature of Chicago

    McCain no coaching he was busy flying off to Washington to deal with the bail out, he flew in for this debate and was still able to clean Obama’s clock so what should that tell anyone?

    Yes.

  • blog force one

    one serious gaffe by obama that did not get playbyet is the one regarding russia and her expansionist agenda . obama ” we have to support latvia lithuania and estonia and poland and the chezchs” the chezchs??? they are not even slavic nor are theyanywhere near therussian border region ! he forgot to mention ukraine which is right in russias sights now! mcain astutely outined the specific threats to ulraine by russia nd their leaders whom we should support! “chezhs!!??? 1500 :KM from the russian border! no on the job training!

  • bert

    No, he NEVER even gave the soldier’s name let alone recognized his sacrifice. He gave his mother’s name (as you said after having to look) as that is who gave him the bracelet. Obama acted like a 5 year old…my daddy’s bigger than yours.

  • bert

    I agree that McCain won the debate. Obama was terrible and over rehearsed. He sounded like he had memorized his lies lines. He led with a lie saying he had warned of this economic meltdown and that Fannie and Freddy needed more regulation. I challenge any Obot to provide the source for his warning. I don’t think there is one.

    Other thing I noted was his blame game. For a man who always talks about the future he lives in the past always blaming Bush about what he did instead of focusing on what he will do.

    Last night after the debate I went to the RCP page and there were about a dozen posts on the debate. 10 out of 12 said McCain was the clear winner and won the night.

  • bert

    I saw that. First of all it was a very small sample and not really a cross section of American voters.

    Second, in 2004 Luntz did the same sort of focus groups after each debate. Early on they broke for Kerry.

    So I would not put much stock in this faux focus group.

  • bert

    Did you notice he did the same with Mccain. Throughout the debate Obama called him by his first name, ‘John.’ By contrast, Mccain called Obama throughout, ‘Senator Obama.’ Obama does not even have basic manners.

  • Kal

    I thought that this moment was incredible, and I hope it is remembered.

    ‘I’ve got a bracelet too!’

    Like a kid in a school yard or something.

    Pathetic.

  • pm317

    That is the ideal. Colloquially, the phrase engenders more of a give away, concessions made based on race.

  • bert

    It is interesting Zaggs that you mention mediocrity and competence. When I first read NewHampster poost’s title, “I Remember When Good Enough Wasn’t Good Enough,” I immeduately thought of Tom In Paine’s most recent blog on competence. It is both insightful and funny at the same time. He skewers Obama and his incompetence and is well worth a read.

    http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/

  • bert

    I was waiting for that. Where did you read that? Do you have a link?

  • I Have a Bracelet Too!

    Pennsylvania WILL go red, thanks to Western and NE PA.

    Here’s a quote lifted from another blog, re: the debate.

    The body language spoke most strongly to us. As Americans we found Obama’s sneers, snide looks, and haughty attitude wanting. The attitude more than anything spoke volumes about a shallow character not ready for prime time nor the White House.

    He was also being coached by someone in the audience as his dark scowls would change inappropriately to smiles. A bit like mommy coaching at the annual recital to deary to do it “just right.” Revealing. Off-putting. Sensing fraud.

  • ACPD

    Dear Friends,

    Thank you. I live in a part of the world that is so completely for Obama that I wouldn’t put a McCain sticker on my car for fear it would be trashed.

    Everyday my friends say the most ridiculous things in support of Obama–and they are well-educated, upper-middle class folks.

    So, I am grateful for your voices of reality and support. I agree that McCain did a better job than Obama during the debates. Granted he wasn’t as smooth or as polished, but then he didn’t have hours and hours to waste on practicing his delivery, like Obama did. He actually has been working on our behalf.

    I used to do protocol work and I can tell you that the reason Obama calls Senator McCain by his first name is to plant in the minds of all who hear this a sense of equality. It is a leveling technique designed to avoid indicating inferiority with another person. It is a guy thing and seen among those with social graces and good manners to be intrusive, presumptuous and needy.

    If a person is secure within themselves they don’t have to play these power/status games. Obama is not secure and that in one of the many reasons I find him so scary. He was overly aggressive in his tone and substance during the debate, also to compensate for his lack of real experience and his lack of credentials.

    McCain got it right. This guy is dangerous. He is out to prove something and people who do that cause others great heartache. I don’t believe for a second that he cares for the poor or the middle-class. He has just used them (as many Democrats–like Chris Dodd–have) to get where they are. I’ll stick with the authentic folks, McCain and Palin. At least we know they are secure in their own skins and their own beliefs. What you see, is what they are; not like Obama where what you see if what he wants use to think….

    Thanks again.

  • bert

    The Supreme Leader of Iran (always a religioys or clerical leader)is really the power in Iran. The President is more of a figurehead, kind of like the monarchy in Great Britian. The President is not the real power.

    From Wikipedia:

    “The President of Iran, who is elected by the public vote, is the Executive President (Head of government). In 1989, the Prime Minister’s office was merged with the figurehead President’s office to form the current post of President of Iran. However, certain executive powers, such as commandment of the armed forces and declaration of war and peace, remain in the hands of the Supreme Leader.[4]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran

  • educatedwhitewoman

    I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet (am going back to read the entire thread), but did it bother anyone else when Obama imperiously announced that he would meet with another world leader “at a time and place of MY choosing” if he felt the safety of America was threatened. How arrogant and naive: right, Barry, Putin is threatening an oil pipeline or to invade Ukraine, but he’ll coming running over at your command to discuss it! OK, oh almighty one. He’s really scared of you (not).

  • csuzeq

    I ahve often complained about that fake accent. Why in hell would he have a southern accent? What a friggin’ phoney!

  • Tattie

    Debate results= President McCain vs Present Obama

  • Karma

    I noticed that.

    The tone was weird too…the whole thing bothered me.

    It was like a teenager making a stand over curfew or something.

    ‘I am going to do what I want….when I want to….and you can’t do anything about it.’

    Have were ever seen such an immature display at a debate, especially over meeting world leaders?

    Arrogant and naive….good words.

  • http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519 jessinwis

    My observations: John Kerry and the rest of the audience did not appear pleased or satisfied as the crowd dispersed from the auditorium after the debate last night–did anyone else notice that? It appeared that some expectations had not been met, that there was some unease. Could it be that McCain’s closing remarks gave the crowed pangs of conscience?

  • http://www.newsweek.com/id/138519 jessinwis

    Tattie, good one!

  • lightacandle

    I think Obama was channeling Richard Nixon at the debate last night … his eyes were a match to Nixon’s eyes whenever Nixon was under stress … even Obama’s blink rate matched Nixon’s blink rate whenever Nixon was lying (which was nowhere near as persistent as Obama’s lying).

    (Nixon was very smart and very knowledgeable, but occasionally dishonest. Obama is very smart and always dishonest.)

    I thought Obama would break his jaw clenching it the way he did whenever McCain was speaking.

    And Obama’s manners were terrible; he would talk right over McCain when it was McCain’s turn to respond to a question.

    Jim Lehrer needs to go back to ‘moderator school’ if he cannot remember that it is his DUTY to stop one candidate from talking when it is the other candidate’s turn to respond.

    So, shame on Obama for his persistent interrupting and shame on Jim Lehrer for doing NOTHING to stop or even chastise Obama.

    I think Obama was trying to get McCain to be angry, and Jim Lehrer was doing all he could to help Obama with that goal.

    But McCain was way too wily for the greenhorn Obama, and the net effect of or at least my conclusion regarding last night’s debate is that Obama is ‘Nixon Revisited’ … and that McCain cares about this country more than he cares about looking at himself in the mirror or listening to the sound of his own voice (as Obama does).

    McCain won the debate hands down because he came across as an able and experienced legislator, and Obama came across as a rude and very angry man.

    Obama is also looking more and more like a dishonest used-car salesman — furtive and shifty.

  • Irish1139

    The fact that Obama does not think of America like McCain does is so blatant. Obama does not understand what patriot means. He seems so un-American to me at times. I guess it’s because he lived outside the country the first 10 years of his life. The things I remember from my childhood are the flags on everyone’s house, the parades, Veterans’ Day, Memorial Day picnics, speeches, all speaking of the love people have for America. It becomes a part of your heart (maybe it was brainwashing)but it is still something you feel down to your very being.

    Something is missing from Obama’s life, and I think love of country is one of those somethings. The way he talks about America is not flattering. People all over the world are clamoring to get in. We must be doing something right.

    Everyday I thank God I was born in and live in America.

  • s.b.

    Someone needs to make the reading of the dead soldiers name into an ad if the MSM won’t recognize what an insult it was and how much more telling it was as a moment than Al Gore sighing or Bush Sr looking at his watch. If he wears it everyday and it isn’t just a debate prop why does he have to read the name of the soldier? Make this an ad!

  • Irish1139

    Obama does not understand that this is a volunteer army. These men belong to the service. The love they have for their country is not something Obama can relate to. I feel for all mothers who lose their sons. They don’t understand their sons gave their lives to something bigger than themselves.

    Life is a mystery. Hopefully, it will all be revealed someday.

  • tzada

    The Drudge Report Poll:

    192,801 McCain

    85,105 The man with no middle name

    6,672 Neither

    http://www.drudgereport.com/

    The Poll is still open.

  • Mary

    The “tell” for me, was when Lehrer asked Obama, given the financial crisis and the crimp on funds available, what programs he could cut from his agenda, given the new information.

    Obama didn’t even understand the question.

    He just babbled on about all the “chicken in every pot” he’s going to give his voters: tax cuts, healthcare, free college, preschool, yada yada yada.

    Everyone in the room and everyone watching knew he can’t do all those things due to budgets.

    So did John McCain.

    Obama came off, as McCain said, incredibly naive.

    Bottom line: There won’t be any money for Obama to deliver all the pie-in-the-sky promises he has made.

  • cpabooks

    Very well stated. I know what I saw and I know, as Lady deRothschild said, arrogance when I see it.

  • tzada

    Paul, Did you or anyone else pick up Barack’s pronunciation of Pakistan or Afghanistan? It had an odd sound to it. Not like most of us pronounce it. Almost a lilt to it, sorta like that one TV reporter said about Obama saying the Evening Prayer.

    Guess several years in Indonesia may have made him talk different, but only certain words it seems.

  • tzada

    She just looked fat and frumpy. But next week they will have her as the top fashion queen.

  • Irish1139

    McCain needs to turn to Obama when he is denigrating the US and say “You don’t like this country very much, do you?” It might catch him off guard and we might learn something.

    Obama has an agenda. I don’t think we are going to like his agenda. He has lawyers and sheriffs out in Missouri looking for people telling lies about him. What’s that about? Will they all be thrown in jail.

    This man is not sane. I think he has psychological problems and the least he will do is bring America down. Or we may be building prisons to hold all the people who have spoken against him.

  • http://Q Diana L. C.

    I understand becoming nauseated every time I have to see O on t.v. Last night I thought to myself that after eight years of having to leave the room when the president of my country appeared on t.v., I deserve to be able to watch t.v. again. If O wins, then I will be leaving the room AGAIN.

    Oh well, most of the media doesn’t deserve watching, and all those goofy “reality” shows that have nothing to do with reality don’t deserve it either.

  • tzada

    This reminded me of my son-in-laws funeral. My young daughter gave her husband eulogy, and it moved us all to tears. His 9 year old sang a song to her daddy….not a dry eye anywhere.

    Following this a woman, whose husband and herself had left my son-in-law to die by himself, got up. This thing read a poem she had written about how sorry she was he died, telling God she wouldn’t cuss anymore.

    Strange the thoughts someone actions can evoke….
    I wanted to tear her heart out and I felt the same way last night.

  • Karma

    I agree…and good point about the leveling technique.

  • mimi

    SJ,

    Good point. 0bama does this to score points with that loony leftwing crowd. But the truth is, if people do that to him should he become POTUS he and his adoring supporters will yell racism.

  • mimi

    ” Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships.”

    The only reason he’s endured with Michelle is because he NEEDS a wife for the complete package.

    And, she’s cover.

    Beard, anyone?

  • pasmalltowngirl

    I live in S.W. Pa., I drive approx. 5 hours a day. I have only seen 4 houses and 1 car with Obama signs. I also only know of 1 person voting for Opansy. We are very patriotic here, so his bitter comments did NOT go over well. Wright, I believe, is what turned most off. Don’t you dare tell us you sat in his church for 20 yrs, but you never heard those kind of sermons. That was the number one lie that made people wake up to who Obama really is. He is a man that does not love this country., he proves that over and over along with his wife and his circle of friends. I hope the MSM plays the part of his debate were he didn’t even know the name of the soldier who sacrificed his life for our country.

  • tzada

    Was an article today on the Drudge Report about TV viewer ship being down. No wonder why that is from my view. Call it backlash Obama, call it in the tank MSM, call it ____________ Hollywood. (fill in the blanks)

    I don’t know if they have a counter for when a person clicks off the TV, but every time his name, face or voice are on, it is click off the weasel. Hope they do have one and I encourage everyone else to click off too.

  • tzada

    What do they think about Al Gore calling for “civil disobedience” regarding coal plants? More importantly what do they say about Joe Bidens “no coal” remarks?

  • obamaphobe

    First time I’ve seen Obama with a bracelet. PROP! Keep an eye out for it in the future. I’m just sayin….

  • Marie

    She has really bad taste. No class whatsoever.
    She looks like a nightmare character from 1930′s horror movies.

  • tzada

    Good points tho.

  • tzada

    Not one Obama sign in the town my cousin lives in Florida. He tried to get McCain signs and they were all gone, just like that poof.

  • Marie

    It’s beyond disgusting. It’s actually sad.
    Obama is MAD TV’s “Hey! Look what I can do!” Stewart.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfZcMdsp_Jg

  • pasmalltowngirl

    My son designs Missile Defense. He has practically working around the clock for almost 2 yrs to get his project complete before the election. If Obama gets in, the missile defense project will be scrapped. Obama will cut all funding. To me that proves that he does not want to protect our country. Nuclear weapons are are biggest threat and he wants to leave us unable to protect our country.

  • imustprotest

    WildChild you are too funny! But it would be bin laden who would be needing the preconditions to sit down with you!! :)

  • tzada

    Drugs can do that to you. Maybe he took an anti anxiety pill. snark

  • NomNomNom

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7nBrdm4LE
    this video shows kissinger speaking at almost the very end, judge for yourself what he meant

  • janetmc

    I thought Mac won hands down. Obama was really nasty and kept talking through McCain when McCain tried to speak. He came off as really rude. Supposedly, his strategy was to try to make McCain blow up and get angry. That’s why he was so aggressive. He really aggravated me. He showed how little he knows. All he can do is memorize answers.

    By the way, I live in NJ and I see no Obama signs and very few Obama bumper stickers. When Kerry was running, there were plenty. I really don’t believe the polls.

  • Alice Paul WPB

    I agree with you. McCain was light years ahead of Obama. I was waiting for BO to get pissed and walk off.

    But today all MSM including Fox who I always thought was in the bag for the GOP are saying how lousy McCain was and Obama won?

    Is the money behind BO so powerful that everyone is in the bag? Let me answer that myself, YES! I have this dreadful dream where I wake up the day after the election and BO won.

    The only poll I watch is AOL’s straw poll and every week McCain wins with over 60% of the vote of over 500,000 votes. But still I fear this election may be stolen from us by the Big Money!

  • http://www.partizane.com NewHampster

    Here is the youtube of the moment only we heard.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdmywc39XD0

  • Garfield

    This is “perfect harmony” with Obama!

    For some reason now, colors are brighter, the air is cleaner and the bird songs are cheerier.

  • looking for integrity

    Irish

    I lived half my life outside the US. My mother’s family immigrated here after the Soviets occupied their country, and my uncle was drafted into the army as a flight surgeon without having received internship. He loved and served this country well, and I love it too. You can identify, and love your country no matter how long you’ve lived in it. It has to be in your heart.

    I think too many other influences have created the distance between Obama and the USA.

  • looking for integrity

    I mean citizenship, not internship.

  • Terminus

    Wow, I watched the debate last night and couldn’t believe how presidential Obama sounded. While McCain, once again was the “Get off my lawn!” old, confused man. It is such a shame that the RNC would allow McCain to be embarrassed like that. Have they no respect for what McCain used to be. Now he’s just a confused and impotent old man walk around with sagging depends. So very sad.

  • looking for integrity

    Ms. Misdeamenor:

    35 of us watched the debates ranging from age 20 to age 85, all of us democrats, most Obama supporters, some Hillary supporters, some leaning towards McCain. We spent 2 hours picking the debates apart, as the group of 17 college students are Poli Sci and history majors. Unanimous consensus – McCain took the debate. The Obama supporters were very unhappy about it.

  • cpabooks

    I am interested by your comment as I could never put my finger on why Barky’s voice was so grating. The rhythm is also contrived. A few words and then a rising tone followed by a stop. As if to say “do you believe me so far?”

  • cpabooks

    Your point is extremely important because the MSM has written disparaging pieces on Palin’s response to a CBS interview with Couric relating to Kissinger BEFORE the debate. They are getting their questions right out of the Obama Camp and perpetuating Obama’s mischaracterizations.

  • D

    Ombama’s ignorance clearly showed when McCain gave a lengthy detailed answer about Georgia and Russia, and Jim asked Obama if he agreed with it. Obama had a look on his face like he didn’t understand a word McCain had said, and just said yes he agreed. I wish Jim would have followed up with, “Which parts specifically and can you elaborate on anything McCain said?” because I think Obama would have had no choice but to say he agreed in its entirety and no elaboration was necessary.

    You know if Biden had given that answer and Palin just said she agreed, the moderator would have been grilling her under a spot light for details to prove she understood.

  • cpabooks

    I live in Northern Virginia in the bluist part of the state and participated in the rally that attracted 23,000 McCain/Palin supporters. There was hardly any publicity, just a bunch of emails sent over a couple of days. The crowd was enthusiastic to say the least. We all took signs to set out and you could see the suppoet. For a while there were no Obama signs becasue the Obama local headquarters didn’t have any in stock. (Good management?)I set one out only to have it stolen and replaced with a local republican sign. That was a cheap shot and still makes me made as I would never do that as much as Obama signs make be want to barf. There is an immaturity issue among OB’s supporters and a sense of entitlement that makes it “ok” for them to cheat. I believe that the pollsters are cheating too. That’s why I don’t believe that OB is ahead in Virginia either.

  • cpabooks

    Wouldn’t it be amazing if these polls were all rigged? Here in Virginia only died-in-the-wool Democrats are carrying around Obama bumper stickers.
    I noticed that Obama could not answer the question on what he would cut back on in light of the bailout. Did you notice he actually ADDED a few programs?
    Also when Obama closed with the refrain about his father being a sheep herder, I wonder how he has been getting away with that. His father was sent to the US from a pool of privileged members of his tribe. He later held a government post as ane economist until he died in a drunk driving accident. Nothing bucolic about that.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Hey Termite,

    NIce try, but no one is falling for your Obot BS.

    “Get off my lawn…” was a dead give away.

    Sheesh, you guys need help.

    McCain/Palin 08

  • D

    It was great that McCain wouldn’t let him interrupt. Just kept talking without raising his voice as Obama was and Obama finally had to shut up each time.

    McCain was well prepped on how to deal with Obama’s petulance during debates.

  • D

    Obama was on Letterman months before he announced his intention to run and Dave asked if he planned to. Obama’s response was that there was a short window of time when people are clammoring for you to run and if you decide you’re not ready yet they may not still be clammoring for you when you feel you are ready.

    I knew then was going to run and I also knew it was only because he thought he could win and not because he thought he was prepared for the job or the best person to lead the country during this time.

    It reminded me of Bush — I want it because I can get it not because I’m qualified. The selfishness is mind boggling.

  • Kelvin Hearts PUMAs

    This woman should make you PUMAs proud.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

  • http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/nextgenblog/ AdrianS

    UPDATE TO MR. PHILLIP BERG’S LAWSUIT AGAINST BARACK OBAMA BASED ON OBAMA’S INELIGIBILITY ON HIS CANDIDACY AS REGARDS THE REQUIREMENTS OF NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    Partial excerpt from an email I sent Mr. Berg:

    “I trust the judge did not originally dismiss your lawsuit because it does indeed have merit. We, as Americans, in order to fulfill the intent and directive of our Constitution are bound by patriotic duty to determine the legal status of any citizen running for the Presidency of the United States; such determination of status having to do with a requirement that said citizen must be a natural born citizen. Mr. Obama should be required to present pertinent evidence that would allow a judge or qualified public official to determine if he is, or is not, a natural born citizen. It is a legal requirement.”

    Mr. Berg sent this copy of Mr. Obama’s and the DNC’s response.

    Update: http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=66

    It appears that Mr. Obama is trying to stall the matter. The outstanding issue is Mr. Obama’s birth certificate (Certificate of Live Birth). It appears that so far he has obfuscated this issue as well by providing, or having his agents provide, a false certificate of birth for publication.

    But to Mr. Obama’s determent, the people of the United States of America demand that he (Mr. Obama) remove himself from eligibility to run for any political office for which he is not qualified and/or for which he (Mr. Obama) will not publicly present authoritative qualification for his candidacy as required by the Constitution of the United States of America.

    God bless.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog Cybergeezer

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

  • Wisewoman

    Obama treated Hillary with the same contempt and disrespect. Instead of referring to her as Senator Clinton, most of the time he referred to her as “Hillary” in a condencending tone. This is his way of trying to bring people down beneath his “level”. You see he is a lying phony. I can say that with complete honestry because I am AA and I have seen this type of “thug mentality” many times during my life.

  • Wisewoman

    That’s exactly what I saw at the end. I told my sister. Watch his body language. He knew his prepped performance did not meet his own standard when at the end he hugged his wife, tried to bravely smile then got the h*ll off the stage instead of hanging around for an adoring audience to shower him with adulation.

  • Wisewoman

    As my 28 year old AA daughter would say “Q that”. Obama wants whites to make him the affirmative action president but as you say to become that he has to be qualified and HE IS NOT. Also being a race baiter (as he exhibited against the Clintons in SC) and race agitator like a black Geoge Wallace disqualifies him too.

  • Wisewoman

    cahil
    I am an AA female supporter of Hillary, one of her 8% AA voters. Please don’t do injustice to affirmative action. As I said in an earlier comment, Obama gives affirirmative action a bad name in that in the past it was enacted so that “well qualified” blacks would be allowed opportunities that were denied to them due to race. Obama is not qualified for president, therefore he just wants whites to make him the affirmative action president without qualifications.

    Obama lied to blacks in the SC primary by racially smearing the Clintons and playing on their feelings of pride. Just remember we are about 12% of the population, including men, women and children. Conservatively speaking about a half would be eligible voters due to age and circumstance leaving about 6%. Only about a half of the 6% are registered voters leaving anywhere from 3 to 4%. Of those 100% will not vote. Let’s say 70% will vote. That leaves maybe (70% of 3 or 4%) that is 2 to 3% voting for Obama.

    Obama knows that blacks cannot win this race for him. That is why his surrogates alway try to claim that whites are racists if they do not vote for him in order to guilt trip you into voting for him. PLEASE DON’T DISAPPOINT ME BUT GIVE HIM THE STUNNING DEFEAT HE DESERVES. I will help you with my one vote.

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