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Financial Deal Open Thread + Catch Larry Johnson on John Batchelor’s Radio Show Tonight [Update]

By SusanUnPC on September 28, 2008 at 5:42 PM in Larry Johnson, Obamedia, Open Thread

t1homebilldraftap.jpgFeel free to use this post as an open thread — especially regarding the pending announcements, with reporters indicating that a “majority of Republicans” are now on board. (Tune in to Fox News — with Brit Hume, Chris Wallace and commentators all at hand — as well as MSNBC and, I presume, CNN, although they were airing a commercial when I just checked. Update: Oh for pete’s sake. I checked CNN again. The commercial break is over, but they’re airing a “special investigation” on Governor Palin’s “road to nowhere.” CNN doesn’t have its anchors on, like both Fox News and MSNBC do? Oh well. I stopped watching CNN a while ago, as wel as MSNBC which, I predict, will busily fill the next hour with mocking John McCain’s efforts to help broker a bipartisan deal. Update #2: My favorite person at MSNBC, David Shuster, is anchoring the breaking news. Update #3: CNN.com has the full bill up for your reading [“ Discussion draft of the bill’s full text” (PDF); and accompanying news story, “$700 billion rescue bill details historic bailout.” And I grabbed the A.P. photo from CNN.com’s home page. Update #4: This blog site has a comparison of the three forms of the package: Paulson to Frank/Dodd Plan to Final Plan.)

About an hour and a half ago, I heard Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) explain, with evident confidence, that the negotiations were going very well. I’ve developed a great deal of respect for Senator Gregg in his announcements during the past few days, particularly his ability to explain the features of the bill that ordinary voters have had concerns about, and what members of Congress have done to stave off the worries of voters.

The “crisis” open thread aside, I want to be sure to remind you all to listen live here via Los Angeles AM station KFI 640, starting at 7:00 p.m. PT. (Drop by early if you haven’t listened before since you may need to download a small, easy-to-install piece of software to listen.) No doubt, John Batchelor and his great slate of guests will have much to say abou this “rescue package.”

Check out John Batchelor’s preview of tonight’s show. And here are the latest in Batchelor’s writings on the bailout plan.

Larry Johnson joins the show on KFI 640 at 7:35 p.m. PT, but I am going to tune in earlier at 7:00 p.m. PT because John Batchelor has a great line-up of guests tonight, on all the hot topics:

Here’s a sampling of who and what’s on Batchelor’s three-hour program tonight:

KFI-AM 640 LA Sundays 7 PM -10 PM Pacific Time

705P PT: James Taranto, Wall Street Journal, re the Ole Miss debate, re the politics of the bailout squabble, re jet jockey style of John McCain.

720P: Jodi Schneider, Congressional Quarterly, re the bailout packages (right, all the scheming parties, no flowers), the Paulson plan, why Mrs. Pelosi fears to pass a bill with her majority, why Barney Frank was yelling in the pow-wow on Thursday 25.

735P: Roundtable, Margaret Hoover, Larry Johnson, Craig Unger, re the Ole Miss debate, re the politics of the plutocrats, re the panic in the Pelosi/Reid/Frank caucus when it realized it had sandbagged itself to vote for the Bush/Paulson plan.

750P: Continued. The Great Temporizer, and his plutocrat advisers, Buffet, Summers, Rubin, Volcker.

805P: Roundtable, Monica Crowley, John Avlon, Jim McTague, re the Ole Miss debate and the spin room.

820P: Continued.

835P: Melik Kaylan, Wall Street Journal, re the damage to South Ossetia and the brutality of the Russian invasion of Georgia.

850P: Olivier Guitta, Middle East Times, re the Al Q attacks in Yemen and Pakistan, re the Al Q offensive.

905P: Sue Shellenbarger, Wall Street Journal, re the stress on families and children when mom or dad are laid off, or change jobs.

920P: Bob Zimmerman,author, re the Hubble delay, the Chinese spacewalk, the Falcon-X delay, and the mystery of the sun’s strange quietude.

935P: David Fromkin, author, “The Cowboy and the King,” the story of Teddy Roosevelt and King Edward of the United Kingdom.

955P: Exeunt David Grinspoon, re SETI conference in Paris.

  • Zorro Astor

    The commercial break is over, but they’re airing a “special investigation” on Governor Palin’s “road to nowhere.”

    OMG. They. Have. No. Shame.

    • Zorro Astor

      Is that ‘road to nowhere’ or ‘bridge to nowhere’?

      • Ferd McBerfle

        If it’s on CNN, It’s a special investigation to nowhere, nevermind bridge or road.

        • Zorro Astor

          LOL Thanks for that! ;)

          • Ferd McBerfle

            I used to watch CNN back when they had Bernie Shaw, a decent man. They’ve gone to the dogs, especially the Blitz Wolfer (spelling intentional) gang of miscreants.

            • Diana

              I deleted CNN and MSNBC from my channel lineup on Direct TV. I’m enjoying FOX News.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qCwLX9piE Woman Voter

          How ACORN was involved in the fraud:
          http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/acorn/

          Caucus Fraud videos:
          http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
          ……………..

          CNN needs to investigate these…after November it won’t matter.

          • tek

            Lou Dobbs should get a copy of these. He’s the only anchor who will look at it.

            • Dawnelle

              ok Larry

              I’m ready to listen. :-]

              • Dawnelle

                scratch that I can’t ever get John BAchelor to load for me and it never asks me to load a new vehicle to listen either

                just takes me to a commercial “go to my pc” then ends and nothing else

                silence

                I’ve clicked every link at the site and none take me there.

                bummed

                • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

                  I had the same problem tonight…

        • mcpalin hill

          Ferd — One bit of good news — my husband was listening to NPR radio and they were talking to a Republican who called ACORN a quazi criminal endeavor. They talked about Obama being a lawyer for Acorn and that he has close ties with the organization. Wanting to earmark 150 Bill for Acorn is not going to sit well with people and Fox is going to be investigating it.

          • Ferd McBerfle

            That would be a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the information, McPalin.

        • kgirl1028

          god for bid they actaully trip over the fact that obama and biden voted for it. Personally I don’t give a damn whether palin supported it. Mr Obama and Mr Biden we love balck people more than anything in the world. approved this project while people in New Orlense and other places in the gulf coast needed aid. Of course Palin is going to support money going into alaska she’s the governors, It’s the two lying sacks of crap that are supposed to do what best for the nation that are at fault.

          Sorry tonight to those who have not earned my ire, but that foolishness with the damn truth squad has pissed me the hell off. Any american citizen that can see that and vote for obama, deserves to be cracked over the head with something very heavy they are truly a waste of air. One less jerk off contibuting to the Carbon Dioxide and global warming.

      • Kal

        Its the road that now goes to nowhere because it was built to connect with the bridge to nowhere. The claim is that Palin did something awful and thus can’t be VP-P because she did not manage to cancel the contract for the construction of the road to nowhere when she managed to scrap the bridge to nowhere.

        An example of the completely distorting accusations that are repeated endlessly by CNN re Palin.

        If McC had as much media fire power behind him as BO does, they would have had lots more to grind over day after day than they have on Palin.

        I guess that’s the advantage of having media puppies in your pockets all the time.

        • Freedom Is Threatened by NObama

          A M A Z I N G

          Sarah Palin gets a “special” but no one gives a damn about obama and his road from nowhere?

          This is like a B rated horror show.
          We have 2 TV reporters, Greta and Hannity, and the rest drank the Kool Aid. Yes, I said friggin’ HANNITY

          The only thing I am sure of now is:

          McCain/Palin 08

        • mcpalin hill

          kal — Obama knows he will have to put in Hillary as his VP unless he can damage Palin enough to destroy her.

          I won’t believe anything bad about Palin — she was thoroughly vetted. Obama has too much money and he is jealous of anyone stealing what he feels is his limelight.

        • http://NA Lee Ruth

          The road goes to the ferry that connects the mainland to the island.

      • DAB

        The road to nowhere was to lead to the bridge to nowhere but it was begun before Palin became Governor. Apparently once it started she was unable to stop it because the money had already been allocated. So where’s the big scandal here?

        Palin’s so-called scandals are small potatoes. Obama’s are bigger than watermelons but I guess we don’t want to go there now, do we….

        • csuzeq

          For my boyfriend, an Obama supporter, I started listening to CNN on his sirius account when I am at work. I wanted to know what kind of news he is getting. He certainly knows nothing about ACORN, Rezko, Ayers, nothing badbama. Anyway, he hates Palin and after 3 afternoons of CNN, I can see why. Damn you’d think she’s the devil. I started feeling nauseous and sheken at the thought of criminal Sarah. I don’t believe it of course. I read about the Bridge to nowhere and trooper gate the morning she was announced, before her speech and it seemed like it could be problematic, but no harm done in the end. I believe those accounts because they were from Alaskan newspapers and prior to being twisted by media after her being VP pick. Honestly, CNN is skewering this woman. It’s worse than they did to Hillary IMO. I’ve also had to listen to MSNBC and they are shredding Sarah Palin. That in itself will make me vote for her! They are so afraid I want to see them drop dead from fear of her. MSNBC makes her sound like a voodoo witch doctor! Sadly, my bf started to see CNN was pretty biased and quit doing news to do we love Obama 42/7, but he switched to MSNBC! I said, please go to FOX. He won’t. It’s the John McCain love station, per bf. Damn!

          I am going to enjoy watching Sarah Palin become the first woman President, an honor that should have belonged to Hillary Clinton, but I fear it won’t now. I am going to actually relish in it when it happens because I will know that it is precisely these isiots fault. They hadto push Hillary out and had they not done it, Hillary would be the first woman POTUS and there’d be no Sarah Palin, at least not yet. I will enjoy saying congratulations on President Palin, she never would have gotten there without Obama supporters, CNN, and MSNBC.

          • Freedom Is Threatened by NObama

            The next time the boyfriend says a word about Palin, go to the computer and tell him to show you. Then!– Have him read this blog, see what he thinks about NObama. If he really reads it and still supports NObama, dump him. He is foolish.

            McCain/Palin

            • csuzeq

              He believes blogs are just internet rumor mills and not factual.

              We are very close to breaking up!

              I truly hate Obama!

          • Jackie

            Tell him to Watch BBC America. It is actually very balanced and has a good deal of useful news we don’t see on US stations.

            Sky news is also pretty good.

        • mcpalin hill

          DAB — I think a 150 Bill scandal is big enough to defeat him. Go Republicans.

        • OhioMary

          It was my understanding that instead of the bridge they put a road in and had the cars ferry over to town in order to get to the airport. It cost much less than the bridge would have. I don’t think there was anything wrong with her doing that at all. It apparently saved taxpayers money.

          The people I know in AK love her and quite frankly hate to lose her as their governor if she becomes VP.

    • Maddie

      OMG there has to be a way to pin this maddness on Obama!!!!!

      Wait. Crap. He was trying to do something on it 2 years ago. Oh well.

      In February of 2006, I introduced legislation to stop mortgage transactions that promoted fraud, risk or abuse. A year later, before the crisis hit, I warned Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke about the risks of mounting foreclosures and urged them to bring together all the stakeholders to find solutions to the subprime mortgage meltdown. Senator McCain did nothing.

      Last September, I stood up at NASDAQ and said it’s time to realize that we are in this together – that there is no dividing line between Wall Street and Main Street – and warned of a growing loss of trust in our capital markets. Months later, Senator McCain told a newspaper that he’d love to give them a solution to the mortgage crisis, “but” – he said – “I don’t know one.”

      In January, I outlined a plan to help revive our faltering economy, which formed the basis for a bipartisan stimulus package that passed the Congress. Senator McCain used the crisis as an excuse to push a so-called stimulus plan that offered another huge and permanent corporate tax cut, including $4 billion for the big oil companies, but no immediate help for workers.

      This March, in the wake of the Bear Stearns bailout, I called for a new, 21st century regulatory framework to restore accountability, transparency, and trust in our financial markets. Just a few weeks earlier, Senator McCain made it clear where he stands: “I’m always for less regulation,” he said, and referred to himself as “fundamentally a deregulator.”

      This is what happens when you confuse the free market with a free license to let special interests take whatever they can get, however they can get it. This is what happens when you see seven years of incomes falling for the average worker while Wall Street is booming, and declare – as Senator McCain did earlier this year – that we’ve made great progress economically under George Bush. That is how you can reach the conclusion – as late as yesterday – that the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

      Well, we have a different way of measuring the fundamentals of our economy. We know that the fundamentals that we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great –that America is a place where you can make it if you try.

      Record: Obama introduced 2006 legislation aimed at ending home loans based on fraud, abuse or excessive risk. He has long warned against financial losses because of insufficient oversight of high-risk areas, particularly those involving subprime mortgages and loans that exceed what borrowers are able to bear.

      In his own words: The Bush administration has followed “a philosophy that says even common-sense regulations are unnecessary. … What we’ve seen in the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on this philosophy, a philosophy that has completely failed.”

      http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/insight/09/21/0921issuesreg.html

      How is that maverick deregulator doing? Well it is the weekend. He must be napping or gambling.

      • Typical White Granny type

        You mean even with a Democratic MAJORITY in both congress he could not stop this madness! With a democrat majority on the housing committess, banking committee, etc. he couldn’t stop this screwing of the people!

        You’re right, I’m going to go out and vote for the one.

        I’m going to vote to fire him!

      • Diana

        To bad he voted against McCain and the bill he and several others introduced to clean it up in 2005. 2006 you say. could you please quote that Bill # so we can go and check it out. I don’t see anything in his record to confirm that. The article you quoted doesn’t give it.

      • Diana

        Never mind I found it, it was such a great bill it got read twice and was then refered to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. Not even a vote on it.

        Think twice about Obama’s Stop Fraud Act
        September 4th, 2007
        President Bush, who last week announced some modest measures to ease the burden of avoiding foreclosure for some sub-prime mortgage holders (principally those who are most likely to prove creditworthy, and stay in good payment status in the long term), does not impress Barack Obama. The Senator from Illinois got great media play for his August 29 Financial Times column, blasting various industries for having “forced” folks into accepting (presumably unwanted?) credit they couldn’t handle.

        Still, once one gets past Sen. Obama’s blazing rhetoric against Predatory Lending, one is relieved to find that he doesn’t really want to deny less wealthy (and more risky) candidates for mortgages the miracle of home ownership. Instead, he just wants to federalize fraud actions against mortgage lenders, collect some fines (how to prove fraud is left to unidentified experts, which sounds dangerously like designated IRS-type officials to go bounty-hunting for Unscrupulous Lenders) and standardize the information disclosed to prospective borrowers before they close on a loan. (All at a cost to the taxpayers of only 65 million a year)

        While numerous mortgage-comparison websites provide exactly this service, and federal housing laws require comparable disclosures anyway, at least we can say Mr. Obama would not really do much harm in this regard. Or any good, either, although his Stop-Fraud Act contains provisions that sound suspiciously like “profiling” mortgage lenders based on “suspicious” patterns of activity: Sort of a Patriot Act for the financial services sector.

        What we’re left with is the rhetoric, “predatory lenders…driving low-income families into financial ruin”, and so on. Hard to understand given the mild remedies being proposed, but perhaps a reflection on the Senator’s part that he needs to show sympathy and toughness on such a hot topic. Yet when the thrust of his proposals, and more his rhetoric, is to discourage lending to those very low-income families, perhaps Mr. Obama should have taken a moment to ponder the internal contradictions of his policy recommendations.

        http://tinyurl.com/3okaa6

        • Jackie

          THANK-YOU. Obama’s Fraud bill had nothing to do with Regulating Fannie & Freddie the core problem of this mess in the financial market.

          It was going to entrust the Fox, ACORN, with helping to regulate mortgage fraud. Dear Lord this is a mess.

          And it give legitimacy to a fundamentally corrupt organization (other than Congress).

          It would not have helped and the fact that Oblowme claims he was on top of this issue is an unmitigated LIE!

      • Dave

        You obviously didn’t follow the hearings to get some order into Fannie and Freddie. Maxine Waters, Meeks (floDuh), Clay (Ca)didn’t want anyone pickin’ on the brother running Fannie. Barney and Dodd blocked any reform…I suppose Noblama wants to pretend that didn’t happen.

    • TeakWoodKite

      International banking regulators converged on Amsterdam and scheduled a news briefing for Monday.

      • Maverick

        International banking regulators converged on Amsterdam and scheduled a news briefing for Monday.

        OMG The plot thickens. You can go to C-Span and watch Pelosi, Reid, Franks, and Dodd talk like they are responsible for a new bill and Bush is to blame. Pelosi taking much of the credit for what I see are McCains plan. Man she is trying to cover her crooked tracks.
        http://www.c-span.org/

  • No Way, No How, NoBama

    Thank you, Susan, for following this so closely. I’ve been on pins and needles today, not sure why. The play-by-play has been a little confusing but I find it hard to believe that there is bi-partisan support on something after Pelosi has repeatedly blamed everyone else but her buddies.

    • wodiej

      I might be more apt to look at this favorably if there were some accountability for Dodd, Frank and other Democrats like Maxine Walters and others who pissed and moaned 4 years ago when Republicans tried to tell Congress that there needed to be more regulations. Not a word about any of that. Mike Pence who is from Indiana said he will not support or vote for the bill. And Pelosi is railing about Golden Parachutes being over. Oh really Nancy? Who’s going to regulate that, Dodd??

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Well, now David Shuster is indicating some uncertainty that the Republicans, in their closed meeting for two hours, have come to terms with this. Hmmmm.

      We’re back to being on pins and needles, I guess :)

      • http://JohnMcCain.com An Ex PUMA is an oxymoron

        David “Hillary pimped Chelsea” Shuster reported this with or without some spin attached?

      • mcpalin hill

        susan — maybe there is still too much pork in the bill. Gee and Obama claimed today that he was the one who worked on this for 2 weeks with the Secy of Treasury. I guess McCain will have to come in and save the day again.

        I would like to see a deal but I would love to see this deal blow up in their faces and finally admit they need to be more bipartisan.

      • Andy

        Have you heard Obama saying the deal was reached thanks to him: yes HE was the ONE working and pushing for safeguards and a better bill– and that McCain deserves NO credit whatsoever?

        I don’t know what’s going on with teh bill: I think noone will ever know b/c each side will spin for ever and ever their mot benefitial meme; but if there is something I know it is that I am SICK of this man named Obama.

  • wodiej

    what the hell is the “road to nowhere” supposed to be about? cripes, let’s talk about Obama’s Chicago slums to nowhere.

  • CheatedFLVoter

    The bail-out bill is posted on foxbusiness.com

    • Tyrione

      I’m appauled, but not surprised that our Government is so inept with money that it’s not surprising their publications [in dire need of LaTeX/TeX/XeTeX] are unfit for publication to any professional/academic standard.

      I urge people to download the old bills from the days of the Founders and look at those publications. They are beautiful in typography, layout and language.

      Today’s crap looks like they couldn’t afford more than a cheap publishing system, even though they do use XML transform it out to generic PDF.

      But Section 122 is interesting:

      Section 122. Increase in the Statutory Limit on the Public Debt.
      Raises the debt ceiling from $10 trillion to $11.3 trillion.

      I’m looking forward to seeing how $700 Billion translates to $1.3 Trillion dollars. It must be the fact they agreed to next year’s $600 Billion operating budget additions.

  • TeakWoodKite

    SusanUnpc; While I have deep reservations about Sen. Greg, having watched him on the Senate floor, he is looking out for a strong constituency in Congress and I commend him for that.

    He did have a blunt analogy of this issue and it seems that blunt force trauma is the theme of the day.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HIavxnUHls dgr

    Harvard Panel Discussion on Thursday

    “Understanding Crisis in the Markets”

    http://www.economics.harvard.edu

    The link is on the left. It is about 2 hrs and requires RealPlayer.

    • Shiloh

      I bet that will be fair and balanced.

      • Ex Puma

        Comment by Shiloh | 2008-09-28 18:09:59

        I bet that will be fair and balanced.

        How would you know – unless it was designed for kindergarten.

        • HARP

          kindergarten…. Is a German word….Hmmmm

          • http://JohnMcCain.com An Ex PUMA is an oxymoron

            That’s tame compared to the troll yesterday talking about sticking a head in an oven in a thread heavy with Hitler references.

        • Ferd McBerfle

          How would you know – unless it was designed for kindergarten.

          And you have current experience in kindergarten, huh little boy/girl it?

        • Postmaster

          EX PUMA….care to enlighten us as to why you come in here and be obnoxious to Shiloh or anyone else for that matter? If you can’t do any better than that, go to Obama where I’m sure you are appreciated.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HIavxnUHls dgr

        It is very informative and straightforward. give it a try.

    • snosandy

      My husband is at Harvard Business School right now and I just talked to him. He was attended this discussion on Thursday and said it was very sobering.

  • Ex Puma

    So McLame was able to “negotiate” from one of his who the hell knows howm may homes. Which meant he lied again about needing to suspend his campaign.

    Goodbye Republicans.

    I guess that this mess that you are leaving must make you real proud that you had a rethug President for the last 8 years.

    Goodbye and good riddance.

    Once Obama is elected I cannot wait for the most detestable of the JSND lot to cry me a River. I will be there licking her tears.

    Obama 08/12
    Clinton 16/20
    An other Democrat for a long time after

    [ADMIN: If you were ever really a PUMA, I'll eat my computer mouse. At any rate, you're on moderation now because gratuitous insults without any constructive conversation are worthless and a drag on the real conversations we need to have.]

    • http://JohnMcCain.com An Ex PUMA is an oxymoron

      blah

    • rw

      You best start licking your own tears right now.

    • UM

      Silly bambibot. Bambi is a thug like Bush. Mccain is the patriot. There is no contest. You can look forward to 4 years of “if you need me call me”

      • mcpalin hill

        UM — McCain is a patriot and a maverick. God bless him. He is what we need right now.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      Your post is so ignorant, no one could possibly know where to start. So your education will have to wait for another day, obamalobobtobot. Good luck earning you $0.05 per post and making any converts here. Oblockhead will can you soon enough. Hahaha.

      • csuzeq

        little more than a month away from unemploment day for bots!

        • Ferd McBerfle

          Yep–back to panhandling on skid row or preaching from street corners. LMAO

    • wodiej

      LMAO!!

    • DAB

      I saw a clip of Obama from this morning’s Schieffer show and he took full credit for the bailout bill. Guess he called it in.

      • lark

        Kerry did just that. Everybody is working for the community organizer to win the election by allowing him to get the credit. Democrats are all in agreement that Obama did everything and he deserves all the credit. Hurray for them.

        Pelozi, Reid, Frank and Dodd were all unanimous in their conference that Obama did all the work and they bow to his great leadership.

        • Kal

          It is outrageous to give BO the credit. Although factcheck tried to massage the facts by claiming that BO had really solved it all when he began demanding ’21st century economic regulation,’ even they had to admit that after Hillary’s speech on Sept. 18, outlining the solution that has now been put in place (apparently), McC actually made his own speech in which he outlined the elements that have been agreed on, on Sept. 19. You can find this speech here:

          http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/9a604256-0519-46e6-a1ce-e70798b39ec2.htm

          BO did not release ANY specifics until Sept. 22, although I guess the claim is that if he thought about thinking about it earlier, then he must have been first.

          PUMA!!

        • athena

          Anybody know what the Capital market Fund is?

          • http://mbc MBC

            No, I had the same question. Anyone now what the Capital Market Fund is?

      • Ferd McBerfle

        He also got the Apollo 13 astronauts back safely, didn’t you know?

        • http://JohnMcCain.com An Ex PUMA is an oxymoron

          And he invented recycled toilet paper!

          • Ferd McBerfle

            Ewwww. ROFLMAO.

            • Maverick

              He invented the ipod

      • mcpalin hill

        DAB — What a pathetic individual he is. He thinks the sun shines out of his ass. Well if the story of the next month is Obama and his relationship with Acorn. Maybe diarea will be coming out of his ass instead.

    • http://deleted YES HRC

      You sound bitter. Did a PUMA hurt your feelings?

      I prefer a patriotic candidate who owns a dozen homes to the thuggish BO. BO is for BO only. McCain listens to the people, connects with people, and he’ll win in November.

    • Katrina

      Stupid!… Hillary will be too old to run for president in 2016.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qCwLX9piE Woman Voter

        That was the whole joke about them saying she should ‘wait’, First the Bro…not the ***. I remember one guy that was all over our faces in D.C. claiming that Hillary’s 80 visits to 80+ countries didn’t count and meeting world leaders didn’t count, then they took Obama on his one week vacation to meet leaders which gave him foreign qualifications… HA!

        Hillary was the better candidate and they still can’t admit that to this day. They over look every thing Obama does, and the media won’t report on any areas of concern. NOW WE HAVE OBAMA’S Truth Squads…if that isn’t a contradiction of terms.

        • Ferd McBerfle

          NOW WE HAVE OBAMA’S Truth Squads…if that isn’t a contradiction of terms.

          It is an oxymoron, with emphasis on MORON.

        • mcpalin hill

          woman voter — Now that I see that the Democratic Party hates women — and that Obama is the best they can do. I will never go back.

    • tek

      TROLL. IGNORE.

    • PewL

      You should have watched Hannity tonite.DId a show mosty showing how much Obama was in the middle of this financial crisis starting with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,,,,,Sean ended his show,in saying the only change you will see in Obama if he’s elected is changing his mind.

      Great show,and I hope there were thousands of viewers.

    • Tyrione

      Your math skills are sorely lacking if you even think Clinton would wait to run until 2016.

  • MMI

    Now we are being told this is about confidence. Wasn’t that one of the reasons that got us here? People were making a lot of decisions based on over-confidence instead of looking at facts.

  • ford

    Cnn is just one of the many whores of TV Land waiting to wipe BO brow.

    It is all going to backfire because the PEOPLE of the USA love to back the underdog..it’s just the way we are wired.

    I know it is difficult right now, but remember that we have the Rovian Pub’s and we are not in October yet…

    We get to see who gets in costume first! We get to see whether or not the BO crowd has a plan B for the Whitey Tapes..

    We get to see if Palin is able to REALLY shoot a moose!! I mean Biden is large and annoying…he might be fun.

    • http://JohnMcCain.com An Ex PUMA is an oxymoron

      I know it is difficult right now, but remember that we have the Rovian Pub’s and we are not in October yet…

      A little more patience is in order. Baracktoberfest is coming! ;)

      • rw

        What are they serving, piss color kool-aid….

        • PKJAYNE

          koolaide bongs are the new thing, it gets them to Nirvana quicker.

          • Freedom Is Threatened by NObama

            I would prefer to send them back? to Teheran. Or Pockeestan. One Way. Low Class.

            • Ferd McBerfle

              One Way. Low Class

              Hell, throw ‘em in the pacific and make them swim.

              • rw

                I’d say throw them in the Bering Strait, let them have a life experience lesson on how close Alaska is to Russia.

                • Ferd McBerfle

                  That’s a winner. That cold water might arouse them from their hypnotic trance.

                  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

                    It would take 45 minutes maximum in the Bering Strait before the hypothermia set in and the little Obots would drown and that’s if they have protective gear. Land and America would never look so good to the little “traitors”. LOL!

    • mcpalin hill

      ford — From your mouth to God’s ears.

      I think Sarah Palin will be terrific. She connects with people. Remember when Biden was running for President he got a total of 9,000 votes.

  • Kal

    What I don’t get is that BO and his thugs have all been out all day claiming 100% credit for this whole deal, and acting like McC was wrong to get involved, wrong to get less involved, and wrong to make the same demands BO did _before_ BO made them.

    Where are McC’s spokespeople? Or are they not allowed on tv anymore?

  • rw

    Did I just hear Obama mock McCain because he said the economy is fundamentally sound?? What a vile manipulative fuck that Obama is:

    Today on CNN Zakaria’s program, China’s PM Wen Jiabao,stated, THE REAL ECONOMY IN THE US IS SOUND.

    Yesterday by a Columbia economics professor: THE US ECONOMY, MINUS THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM, IS FUNDAMENTALLY STRONG and once the financial system is cleaned up and restored, the US economic growth will shoot up.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      Barky and the bots only understand fearmongering, lies, distortion, and winning at all costs. Economics? Not so much.

      • http://chriss chris

        And unfortunately they are getting away with it. Every Dem leader, every news program, and every paper in the country is blowing the golden horn to give him all the credit he never worked for. Object: it is to bury McCain’s positive role in the whole mess. It is what people will hear and remember thanks to the media and being the good guy and true patriot will matter little. The Dems are putting on the full court press and the Repubs are coughing up the ball. I am very discouraged at this point. What should have been the Repubs shining moment ala the financial mess, is turning into a nightmare for the Repubs. I just hope this week brings a turn around.

        • snosandy

          I’m hoping during the VP debate that Sarah Palin comes out and tells of John McCain’s role and accomplishments in the bailout.

  • http://JohnMcCain.com An Ex PUMA is an oxymoron

    I have a comment about the Bradley Effect. I am a firm believer in this election it stems mainly from racism from Obama himself.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      And you would be spot on. No one brought it up until he did. No one harped on it except him and his bots. It is their problem–not ours.

      • mcpalin hill

        Ferd — right the racism is his. However, when he does his victim routine my eyes glaze over. Now he thinks he’s top dog so we won’t see his race bating until his numbers so down. What an ass he is.

        • Ferd McBerfle

          What an ass he is.

          He is an ass–and a self-serving, self-righteous one at that. I can’t stand him.

          I can’t believe I am going to say this, but I would rather have George Bush in the WH another 4 years than the corrupt, incompetent, unfit danger to our Republic who currently goes by the name of Barack or the One. There, I got it off my chest.

          • bemused

            Yes, I found myself defending Bush today. Haven’t ever had that urge about Obamba.

            • http://www.noquarterusa.net Linda

              Nobody dislikes Bush more than me, but I don’t mind him these days, ever since Barky got in our faces.

    • http://deleted YES HRC

      Totally agree. BO and bots made this a corrupt, abusive campaign.

    • mcpalin hill

      An Ex Puma — There are a lot of people who will not tell pollsters they don’t like this upstart kid who thinks he can rule the world. So people will lie. This guy is not going to sit well with older people, our military vets, women, gays white workers. Does it have to be racist to hate this little punk? The Bradley Factor just means lying to the pollsters because you don’t feel comfortable telling them the truth.

      By the way–the polls we are seeing are totally phoney. The media has kicked Obama up a notch by calling him a winner. If there is no cheating during the election — McCain will win–Obama is scary/nuts.

      • http://Q Diana L. C.

        I’ve lied to the polls myself, but it is usually when I get a pollster who thinks I am someone else, maybe someone who had the telephone number before. Then, I just say whatever I think with screw up the poll the most. I am not sure it works, but i do not like the idea of polling, so I do my best to mess it up.

    • jwrjr

      Re: Bradley effect – you are correct about the source of the racism.

  • kgirl1028

    One thing I have to say, is that if they do manage to shove ohitler into office they will get what they deserve, most of these little morons have problems with authority, and the first time one of them steps out of line obama will gas their behind, and trust me, i won’t shed one tear, nor speak out in their behalf. Because with the nasty way they have treated everyone, i think they WILL GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.

  • kgirl1028

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/28/obama-mccain-gets-credit-wall-street-bailout

    check this out one minute the plastic nominee is saying they should not have inserted presidential politics into the bail out, now he’s trying to take credit. Dumb asses! This is what we call a cheater boys and girls, a combination between a liar and a thief. Ohh they can fool alot of people alot of the time, but remember when it’s time to pay the piper they are the clueless bastards they always were.

    • PKJAYNE

      “My inclination is to support it because I think Main Street is now at stake,” Obama said.

      In the article he takes credit for the whole thing and then says this? I bet he has no clue what is even in it.

      The GOP can’t put out the 527/s fast enough,as far as I am concerned.

      • TeakWoodKite

        “My inclination” WTF???

        Even a kite knows that means “which way the winds blowing”…

        Main street at stake?

        Has anyone noticed that the MSM is now calling it a “rescue bill” and not a “bailout”???

        More white guilt BS… Frakin Gingerbread Man syndrome.

  • http://deleted YES HRC

    A note re Air America: Earlier this year I called (and got through) to the Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, and Rachel Maddow shows to respectfully voice my opinion about their bias. Now my cell number is blocked. hehehe I dial the numbers and the call is automatically ended. I monitor the calls they take now (on my way to and from work) and 99% are from obots. Fair and balanced!

    I will continue to listen through around November 7 because I want to hear them whine when BO loses. They have been so disgusting to Hillary, the DP, and Palin. Really foul trash. I hope they go out of business.

    • don tufts

      dont feel like the lone ranger,i too am banned from their phones.

  • noepiphany

    zelda crunch – u posted earlier about a david mertz aka lulu-of-the-lotus-eaters who is controlling the wikipedia ACORN page and not allowing anything negative to be posted etc. check out if it is david mertz aka david james, long-time financial fundraiser for Ron Paul:

    And then there was 1992, Ron Paul’s Presidential Exploratory Comm. Tens of thousands were raised for the effort. But it was ended abruptly with no accounting for all the monies raised. Just some vague references about a PAC to be formed to help Ron Paul type candidates for Congress. Of course, nothing ever materialized.
    And then there’s the mysterious ex-Jesse Helms guy David Mertz, alias David James, who has been Ron Paul’s Chief Fundraiser for decades. Nothing is ever seen or heard from James.
    http://donklephant.com/2007/12/16/ron-paul-breaks-one-day-fundraising-record/

    PUMAS know the libertarians make up some proportion of the obots, so worth checking.

    • tampagurl

      PUMAS know the libertarians make up some proportion of the obots, so worth checking.

      Yes and they are the most foul!

    • Tyrione

      I’m a Libertarian and like hell they make up the Obama crowd. The modern US Libertarian Party was founded after the disgruntlement of the GOP and Demcratic Parties forget their foundations.

      Paint your self in a corner all you want.

      The Libertarian Party is hard at work promoting Bob Barr for US President, not Obama.

    • Tyrione

      If you want to know what the hell the LP is up to:

      http://www.lp.org

      If you can’t figure out that the LP is nothing remotely near the BO Democratic Party then you truly are full of crap.

  • wodiej

    The fact that the Democratic party is trying to fool millions of Americans into believe that Obama has some type of economic expertise that bailed out our economy is more proof of how desperate they are! Cripes the Dem meeting he was leading broke into arguments and shouting. He couldn’t even keep order. He didn’t do SHIT and he never does except run his mouth.

    • Ferd McBerfle

      Just a slight correction–he does do sh*t, nothing but sh*t and that is all he has ever done.

    • Elizabeth

      Don’t forget that Emil Jones in the IL. Senate allowed Obama to get all the credit for bills that he NEVER WORKED ON AT ALL. And since I pay attention to Congress I have fumed numerous times to see Obama’s name as Co-Signer for bills I know he wasn’t doing any work on . How did I know that?
      Because he was busy running around the country selling his books and himself . And that is a fact.

      Durbin covered for him in IL. and in the Senate.

      He naturally expects credit for not doing anything because it has always worked for him in the past. And it is now too. MSM won’t call him on it. And lazy voters will beleive it. UGH!

      I’ve been a NOBAMA long before most of you knew anything about him. ( I’m from IL.)

  • IronMan

    Politics being played by the Democrats tonight.

    Anyone watching Rahm Emanuel (D) – Illinois, on FOX now? He is playing politics.

    • tek

      Illinoisan here. Rahm always plays politics. He’s part of the Chicago machine and a more worthless little turd never drew breath.

  • kgirl1028

    Oh and just so you know, if obama is placed in office, cause everyone knows he can only get in by cheating, i’m putting the Koolaid gang on notice, the first time he screws up big which wont take long, I”m bitch slapping the nearest obama supporter. and i’m not a physically violent person normally, but that’s just how pissed i am with the rampant stupidity of the people in this country. I am so sick of dumb behind people screwing up other peoples lives, because they lack the capacity to think for themselves. Let Britney spears accidently trip while she’s holding one of her kids and you crucify her, let obama screw over his constiuents in chicago for campaign money and a new house, and he’s the great person in the world.

    Next year stay out of my damn face bots. Yeah i’m just that pissed with you.

    • Freedom Is Threatened by NObama

      Careful, they may send you to Re Obamification Camp.

      And I am serious.

      If he is in, I am taking my family out.

      Never thought I would say that.

      Me and Alec Baldwin. Only we WILL leave.

      Tears.

      • La Compania Volante

        If an independent conservative may beg your leave to post here:

        I don’t believe in the concept of “red” or “blue” states. That’s a false construct created by those who would divide (and conquer) us. I DO believe that there are areas where political manipulator—
        fascists and authoritarians, left and right—have duped enough people into following them and supporting them to give them undeserved political and economic power. I also believe that there are areas/regions of this nation in which they will never succeed in doing so, and that will lead to their eventual downfall.

        A famous quote attributed to Abraham Lincoln reads, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” My codicil to that is, “You can’t fool enough of the people enough of the time. If you try, sooner or later you’ll end up as the fool.”

        If the worst happens, I beg of you—don’t leave the nation. Just leave the strongholds of this misnamed “New Democratic Party” and find a friendly spot where you’ll be safe for as long as it takes for all of us to come together to correct things. Those of us who live in such spots will welcome all of you, true Democrats, Independents, Republicans, and Libertarians alike, and all races and creeds alike. Don’t allow the tactics of fear, hate, and divisiveness to defeat you, to make you despair, to drive you from your homeland, to succeed in dividing you from your fellow Americans. Refuse to be persuaded you that your countryman is evil and demented just because some of his political beliefs differ from yours. We Americans are far more alike than unalike; our diversities, when properly understood, actually make us stronger, not weaker.

        Those who wish one political philosophy to permanently triumph over the other are, at best, shortsighted. Our system requires the dynamic tension of at least two strong political parties in order to function properly. In my lifetime, I’ve participated in and have been a member of both major political parties, and I’ve seen the fringes of those parties hijack them more than once. It never lasts. True Democrats are going to have to stay here in order to rebuild their party. It is necessary to the survival of this nation, just as the true Republican Party is necessary. The names may change, a third party may emerge, but in the end, the true nature of American political consensus will triumph.

        The heart of America still beats even in the so-called “blue” states, and it is still strong, but nowhere is it stronger than here in “flyover country.” Those who have corrupted the system—right and left, the media giants and the robber barons, the racists and the race hustlers, the fascists and the authoritarians—view the people of the heartland with contempt, just as the so-called “New Democratic Party” views the millions of voters who supported Sen. Clinton in the primaries, and indeed, the way it views all Americans. Believe me—that contempt, that failure of estimation, that lack of understanding, will be its downfall.

        No matter what happens, never forget what it means to be an American.

        I Am the People, the Mob
        by Carl Sandburg

        I am the people—the mob—the crowd—the mass.

        Do you know that all the great work of the world is done through me?

        I am the workingman, the inventor, the maker of the world’s food and clothes.

        I am the audience that witnesses history. The Napoleons come from me and the Lincolns. They die. And then I send forth more Napoleons and Lincolns.

        I am the seed ground. I am a prairie that will stand for much plowing. Terrible storms pass over me.

        I forget. The best of me is sucked out and wasted.

        I forget. Everything but Death comes to me and makes me work and give up what I have. And I forget.

        Sometimes I growl, shake myself and spatter a few red drops for history to remember. Then—I forget.

        When I, the People, learn to remember, when I, the People, use the lessons of yesterday and no longer forget who robbed me last year, who played me for a fool—then there will be no speaker in all the world say the name: “The People,” with any fleck of a sneer in his voice or any far-off smile of derision.

        The mob—the crowd—the mass—will arrive then.

    • csuzeq

      I am certain I’ll be in jail for saying bad things about the one.

      At least I won’t have to be homeless and will probably get some bread and water in between the torture.

      • kgirl1028

        I have thank you, you have made me laugh for the first time to day. I needed that.

    • bemused

      Careful, the world can’t afford to lose another nurse. You’d lose your license for assault in my state. Seriously, it would be the thing people would use to attack you back.

  • Maverick
    • tek

      Oh, Man, that second one about crisis is great! They’ve got the shot of him looking down his nose at Hil.

  • LT

    so obama climbs yet again in the gallup poll. i don’t think anything is gonna take this guy down.

  • MMI

    Why are these politicians debating and negotiating behind close door something that will cost us a trillion dollars then coming out and spinning it to the MSM? Where is the transparency???

    Why won’t the MSM interview some leading, non-Wall Street economists and government watch groups about this bailout plan instead of letting Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Frank lie every few hours.

  • Deb

    If I’m reading correctly, section 119 means there will be no hearings and nobody is going to jail! Anyone see it somewhere else!

    • Maverick

      McCain warned he would send senators and congresspoeple to jail for corrupttion. Is this in relation to that and their fear of going to jail? They must have done some pretty bad stuff enough to go to Fed prison.

  • basil

    What terrifies me about the constant barrage of positive polls for BO (although we know they’re lies) is after almost a year of fawning, glowing coverage people will think his victory is inevitable.

    Even McCain seems a bit chastened by the huge smackdown he got last week for suspending his campaign and going to DC to help with the bailout. The dems were so vocal in their accusations of grandstanding and the media was so unanimously dismissive of him while heaping credit on BO that today, on George S., JM seemed subdued.

    This constant, endless chipping away at a person’s self-respect can bring down the strongest most fearless fighter. Look at what happened to HRC. Look at what’s beginning to happen to Palin. It’s the mob mentality, the relentless brute force, the bullying peer pressure approach. Those are the same strategies used by high school ‘in-crowds.” It’s the triumph to the nth degree of the old squeaky wheel getting the oil adage and I’m beginning to wonder if there’s any way out.

    I read an article today about modern-day slavery in Africa perpetrated by Chinese companies with voracious appetites for raw materials, especially copper.

    For some reason it reminded me of what could happen in the US, under BO. All kidding aside, I honestly do fear ‘reeducation training” and other brainwashing techniques. Heck, Bo is already using them with his “Obama camps.” He has plans for a civilian army to supplement the military. He encourages his supporters to ‘get in their faces and convert” the unconvinced. He quips “We’ll bring a gun if they bring a knife.” His surrogates threaten of riots if he isn’t elected.

    The intimidation, the fear-mongering is frightening. And I don’t think for one minute that it’s all for show. He does believe he’s ‘the One.” He does believe that “a light will come down and you’ll say I must vote for barrack” (and if you don’t you’ll be hounded down and smoked out for treason like Rengel, like Lewis, like HRC.

    I’m not kidding. I’m scared.

    • PhxNickD

      At this point both McCain & Palin could shoot someone in broad day light and I will still vote for them over Obama and any democrat that is on my ticket in November.

      Not for nothing McCain needs to stop playing nice.

      • lark

        He will. But with this bailout Hollywood wins and the network journalists and pundits win. They are now at the top and financiers are now under the control of the government. Meet a society attended and directed by Hollywood actors and network chairs.

        I vote for a PhD. to be completed in two to three weeks. After all what is important is to act the part.

      • texdem

        At this point both McCain & Palin could shoot someone in broad day light and I will still vote for them over Obama

        Thanks, I needed the laugh. And I agree, they’d still get mine too.

    • csuzeq

      I’m scared, too!

      • Lynda

        I couldn’t sleep several nights ago so I went looking for something to read. For some reason I decided on Ann Rand’s We the Living. I think there was something subconsious going on.

        Now all I can think is OMG our country is heading down the same path she wrote about in the book. I can’t get it out of my head. Obama is a socialist if not a communist.

        I spoke to my sister about this. She responded that he probably is a socialist but she thinks she is leaning that way also. Double OMG, are we in the twlight zone?

        • csuzeq

          There is a book called the Dark Horse, too, that I guess is really scary and written well before this election. Hannity has talked about it. I haven’t read it and may be too scared to do so!

    • Newly Independent

      I’m not kidding. I’m scared.

      And that’s just what the MSM and the rest of the Obamabrats want: for McCain supporters to be scared to death. To feel like everything is hopeless & that Obama is inevitable. To psychologically shut us down.

      It’s all an illusion.

      Stay strong.

      Don’t fall for their illusion.

      And stop watching their news and reading their papers.

      Obama and his spawn will be history on November 5th.

      • mcpalin hill

        newly independent — Absolutely. Depress the vote and Obama will win with the youth and AA’s. Bull Baby When I check out all the polls where hundreds of thousand vote — Obama loses to McCain by 65/35.

        McCain McCain McCain — and freedom from having to look at Obama’s face 24/7.

        The only poll we need to be interested in is the one on Election Day.

        • basil

          ‘and freedom from having to look at Obama’s face 24/7′

          tHAT’S WHAT i’M PRAYING (AND VOTING) FOR.

          :EVIL:

      • mimi

        That’s the way I feel. I haven’t bought a newspaper in over a year. I don’t click on the HuffPo. MSNBC is v-chipped, I’m not kidding and I only monitor CNN for breaking news. I haven’t tuned into Anderson Cooper since Super Tuesday.

        With youtube I keep track of pertinent sound bites/interviews.

        It bothers me that some people complain, but are still tuning into talk radio, CNN, MSNBC, buying newspapers and going to sites that are pro-0bama. We can’t win if we keep doing that. I’m not recommending that people hide their heads in the sand. Of course if there’s breaking news you have to follow a story, but there’s no reason to watch Anderson Cooper or Campbell Brown. And MSNBC should be v-chipped by people like us. There are ways to get the info without giving these people our dollars.

        People comment here all the time about how frightened they are, about how we are in a war, well if you really feel this way you are going to have to get tough about it. I used to watch CNN pretty much all day. That’s OVER! Network News, no more. And I was a dedicated Charles Gibson fan. I don’t care what happens to Network News, it’s dead to me.

        I’ve changed my habits and I’m going to be more informed during this next administration. C-Span will now be my constant companion. Never again will allow these fuckers to get away with this bullshit. Chuck Schumer might as well know, he won’t be getting my vote next time out.

        I’m also going to be very careful about who I donate to. Maybe the best way to get Campaign Finance Reform is to stop donating to these criminals. The women’s organizations who turned on Hillary and who are now savaging Palin can go to hell. Not another dime. And I’m on a personal boycott of going to the movies. No more celebrity magazines or entertainment shows. I’m tired of financing these celebrities lifestyle. And they can thank their precious 0bama for any dip in their incomes.

        And 0prah? Who is that?

        Get the picture?

        We can’t just bitch and moan. We have to do something. And who knows. Maybe it will be a good thing. We’ll get smarter, save money, spend more time with family and friends get more excercise and have a healthier frame of mind because we will be doing something with our lives instead of being passive.

        If it’s the last thing I do, I’m going to make the Democratic Party pay. And the msm.

        • Newly Independent

          Preach mimi, preach!

          I’m through with the MSM for the most part. I have many other areas in cyberspace where I can keep up with the latest news without them.

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      While I’m not convinced Obama will win, we DO need to start reaching out to PUMAs and convincing them to vote McCain instead of third party or write-in. A lot of these polls are favoring Obama due to a large number of people voting for NEITHER Obama or McCain.

      PUMAs – please vote McCain. We cannot afford an Obama victory.

    • tek

      McCain doesn’t seem “chastened” to me. Don’t know where you get this.

  • noepiphany

    please explain why BO would be up in the polls when the insults just keep coming:

    Chicago Tribune: Racial prejudice and the elderly
    By Howard Witt
    Now, though, in the midst of the nation’s first presidential campaign between a black candidate and a white one, a convergence of new political and scientific research suggests that prejudice and stereotyping among elderly white Americans in particular may not be so innocuous after all.
    Older white voters heavily favored Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama during the Democratic primary season, and national polls indicate that group now leans toward Sen. John McCain by 10 percentage points or more…
    Von Hippel, a professor at the University of Queensland in Australia, has found that as the brain’s frontal lobe begins to atrophy with age, elderly adults exhibit greater social inappropriateness and increased stereotyping and prejudice. And it happens despite their best intentions.
    “At some level, I would say we should not hold older adults responsible for their racist attitudes,” von Hippel said. “We call it ‘prejudice against your will,’ because we think it’s not something they can control.”
    Obama himself noted this phenomenon last March, in his frank Philadelphia speech on race.
    Referring to his elderly white grandmother, Obama said she is “a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”..
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-elderly-racism_wittsep24,0,5158304.story

    • birdgal

      That is horrible insulting and unscientific. What is wrong with these people??

      • tampagurl

        Just goes to show you…Some of the most educated people are really stupid!

    • wodiej

      omg…no, the reason elderly support Republicans, always have is because they are overwhelmingly conservative. Some may become so the older they get. As they get older and face their passing on, they want to try to be a better person and live their life right. That is it plain and simple. What a fucking kook Dr….

    • d2d

      this is a joke, right?

      Really, why would a supposed respected newspaper print such crap! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!

      Heaven forbid the elderly actually think for themselves and make sound decisions, such as who one is voting for, all by themselves!

      Give me a break. Is the Trib trying to piss off all of the elderly and turn them against Barry?

    • mcpalin hill

      noepiphany That is the scariest post I ever read. So now Obama is going to scare Older voters into voting for him by calling them racists. I would like to know how Obama is going to find out who older people are voting for. This must stop and it must stop now. Older people will not vote for Obama because they don’t trust him. However, they might stay home rather than have a problem.

      Hopey Changey has now become vote for me or I’ll break your bones. Ain’t we lovin Mr. O?

    • http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

      And yet NO-ONE talks about the sexism against Palin. Like, men saying she is a joke – SEXIST! And these are YOUNG guys!

    • http://Q Diana L. C.

      So “a professor” says something–IT MUST BE TRUE!!

      That is so bogus. Neurobiology, nueropsychology, and neurolinguistics are fields that are discovering wonderful things about the way humans function. What goes wrong is the lay reader taking a finding in this kind of research and making too much of it. How big was this professor’s sampling? Was it a varied sampling? What was his research method? What was the original purpose of the research.

      Notice that Witt makes the jump from “a professor’s” findings in who knows what kind of research and with what kind of subjects to Obama’s “elderly grandmother.” If I remember right, the incident Obama referred to happened when Obama was young and his grandmother was not so elderly.

      Mine is probably just as good a sampling. My grandmother who lived to 99 actually mellowed very much over the years. So have all my aunts and uncles–they are far less concerned about race/gender issues than they were when I was young. I have/had 24 aunts and uncles. And to add to my sampling, my father had “double cousins” because sisters (one his mother) married brothers (one his father). My grandmother’s sister and my grandfather’s brother had fourteen children. And I knew many of them as well as I knew my aunts and uncles because we went to the same church as I was growing up. They also lost most of their racial thinking over the many years I’ve known them. We have Korean, Hispanic, Turkish, Japanese, and, of course, other Caucasions than our German from Russian community now married into my HUGE extended family.

      I always wonder what kind of an idiot for an editor lets something like this be printed.

  • Maverick

    Bad typos..
    McCain warned he would send senators and congresspoeple to jail for corruption. Is this in relation to their fear of going to jail? They must have done some pretty bad stuff- enough to go to Fed prison.

  • lark

    Well, Bush, Dems and Reps have now designated the Secretary of the Treasure a virtual financial markets czar. His execution of his duties under this act will essentially destroy the free market system in the U.S. In essence, the controlling hand of the Fed Gov will begin to extend from there to every area of business.

    To begin with the markets in the U.S. will end up crippled in just a few years.

    The free market will leave the U.S.

    Financial corporations will leave the U.S. and those in remaining in the U.S. will be outsourced.

    The next step to destroy the U.S. economy will be for Hillary to mandate every employer in the U.S. to provide first and foremost health care insurance to each and every employee hire by their companies.

    This act does more to diminish the U.S. than anything Al-Queda could have done by attacking us physically.

    Meet our new best friends, the Chinese, the Russians and the Venezuelans. Do as they say and as they do.

  • LT

    everyone seems to be in the tank for obama because, if elected, people won’t view the US as a racist country anymore. i truly believe that. he is the affirmative action candidate, and if he wins, he will be the affirmative action president.

  • http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/cnnd-dick-grego.html Pagar

    Maybe, every one knew it but me:
    If not, remember how much news we got about problems at Fannie Mae?

    “David Gregory and BETH WILKINSON NBC WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT & LAWYER.Wilkinson served as Fannie Mae’s executive vice president, general counsel and corporate secretary from February 2006 until September 2008.”

    ” Her husband is David Gregory – the new and improved chief lefttard at CNN (who recently replaced unhinged leftards Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews.”

    ” Do you think we, “the little people” (to crib the leftist phrase) and the wallet for these pillagers, are going to get objective coverage from NBC OR MSNBC on the financial crisis from this plant?”

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/09/cnnd-dick-grego.html
    LUN

    • lark

      Never in their lives.

  • Linda OKC

    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1564

    Utica, New York – Likely voters nationwide who watched Friday’s debate in Mississippi between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain gave Obama the win by the slightest of margins, a new Zogby Interactive survey shows.

    The poll shows that 44% believed Obama won the debate, while 41% said McCain did. Another 16% said they watched the debate but were unsure who came out on top.

    The Horserace
    9-26/27
    Obama/Biden
    47.1%
    McCain/Palin
    45.9%
    Other/Not sure
    7.0%

    • Kal

      Maybe its really not about ‘winning’ — but about just giving people some direct data instead of all this endless spin.

  • http://www.economicpopulist.org Robert Oak

    The bill draft text is changing. We’re a non-partisan economics site so we don’t care about partisanship, more what works and what does not.

    I’m keeping a thread going (and I won’t change the URL) where the bill text drafts are uploaded

    Come on over but please don’t crash the site.

    The House, Senate websites are literally crashed so many are trying to get a hold of the real bill text.

    • lark

      The House, Senate websites are literally crashed

      That tells me what? That our new Treasure Czar will do better than that? Not.

      • http://www.economicpopulist.org Robert Oak

        Don’t ya know? We’re going to get “Google for Government”…oops I mean “Google will do the Government”….oops i mean “We’re all going to be citizens of Google”…oops, except for salary and stock options….oops, hey Google, help me out here now what did we agree you’d get if I win?

  • MMI

    Listening to House Republicans talking. Now both parties are betraying the taxpayers.

    If taxpayers have lost on this plan Rep. Boehner, that means those institutions you bailed out still failed, so there is nothing to recoup from.

  • MMI

    I have always been a registered Independent. Both political parties are reminding me of why I can never stand with either of them.

  • wodiej

    talking about bailout…initial $100 billion. I think that is a good idea…enough to get markets to calm down but not $700 billion. With more money available later if needed. Acorn gets NO MONEY.

  • HARP

    Well most of my money is already out of here,so Bambi can`t get his socialist hands on it. I`m willing to bet that MOST of those “rich” people he wants to tax will do the same.

    Then what Barky.

    • rw

      ditto. But most importantly, investigate to see when the politicians take their money out, if they all haven’t already. It ain’t going to be them nor the rich, nor the Wall Street corporate heads, nor the poor….who will pay for this.

      Americans 20 years old and up will never see the recovery of this >financial< crisis ……that’s how long it’s going to take. Unless,imo, something is done, such as merging the euro and the dollar to create a single currency, the euro-dollar incorporating EU, US, Canada, NZ, Austr…there is a greater possibility this will happen before the ‘amero’.

  • noepiphany

    here’s another insult:

    Boston Herald: Dissing Barack Obama made old John McCain look mean
    http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/columnists/view/2008_09_28_Dissing_Barack_Obama_made_old_John_McCain_look_mean:_He_came__he_saw__he_condescended/srvc=home&position=also

    i can hardly believe how many times media whores have called McCain “old”. it’s truly shocking.

    by then why would any democrat over 30 be voting for BO?

    as for the debate, it was the same when the corpmedia said dubya beat gore in the debates when anyone watching the debates thought gore wiped dubya. notice how the corpmedia were all saying it was a draw after the mccain/BO debate and then weaseled their way into saying BO won by today?

    • wodiej

      gee, how many riots do you think would break out if we used an ethnic slur against Obama?? Apparently ageism and sexism are ok just don’t use an ethnic slur.

      • http://Q Diana L. C.

        I still like the idea of speaking out against his inexperienced, incompetent, Caucasion half. Let’s be racist against that. I wonder how he would take it if people actually started saying that in discourse.

        Obama lied–It must be that Caucasion side of him that made him do it.

        Obama misspoke–It must be that Cacasion side of him.

        Obama actually allowed lobbyists to influence him. That pesky Caucasion blood will do it every time.

        Really, it makes me so sad for the really smart, competent AA leaders in this country who don’t use the race card every time things may not go their way.

  • Cooper

    Everyone should send this letter to your Senators and Congressmen. PLEASE fax and email to everyone you know and put pressure on Washington.

    http://james4america.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/dear-congress-a-plea-from-hardworking-middle-class-america/

  • basil

    What’s even more troubling is something no one even talks about anymore, the total and complete subjugation of women. It’s like sexism in the campaign never existed. It’s like the paternalistic BM has let the little lady have her hissy fit and fully expects us to calm down, control our emotions and get on with traditional women’s roles.

    Of course the fact the rules have changed and it’s an unqualified AA man who emerged as dominant doesn’t matter because males always triumph over females. That’s the natural order of the universe

    And we’re supposed to just shut-the-f**K up and be grateful we were given our ten minutes in the spotlight.

    We’re expected to admit our errors, admire the strong, wise all-knowing party leaders and get back to work.

    It is unfriggin-believable! They’re rewriting history, again, and we’re not even a footnote in the new Obamaversion. In fact, there’s a new study on racism (will find the link) saying that over-40 white women are more prone to racist views than others.

    Ladies (and gentlemen), WTF are we gonna do????????

    • mcpalin hill

      basil — look at it this way. Obama has dissed Seniors, Women over 40, Gays, Union Members, The Military/Military Vets, White workers and women in general. Who is there to be excited about Mr. Obama? You can’t diss all these people — while 92% of Republicans remain loyal to their candidates and win. Stay positive — we women aren’t going to be wearing burkas yet. We have our best chance of see the real Obama when he is over confident — he is going to blow it big time.

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    C-SPAN has a vote going on

    Allowing Same Day Debate on tax bill…first vote going on now…dem yes66 No 1 repub. Yes 0 no 60

    still voting

  • Maverick

    Mulatto mulatto..obama is a mulatto born in Kenya. He’s not AA. Oreo Oreo. There. How does it feel you old coot Obama. Your seeds are drying up you old thug. You are pushing 50 you woman hater…Obama is a LIAR!~

  • IndieDogg

    Okay, about the Bridge to Nowhere, can I make an easy, obvious point? It seemed like a good idea to build a bridge to link these two communities which had no access. When the cost went up, it didn’t look like a good idea any more and Governor Palin changed her mind.

    Hello.

    And, I know this is totally sexist but, trust me, it’s totally tongue in cheek. I welcome this breath of fresh air called Governor Sarah Palin, and I’d welcome her even if she rode a moose to work and parked it on the front lawn.

    But, here’s the deal. See, women have the inalienable right, not protected by the Constitution but by nature itself, to change their mind.

    And personally, I’d say we could use some of that in Washington. If something starts to look like a bad idea, change your mind. Wow. What a concept.

    Also, on the subject of earmarks, which they keep trying to hang around her neck, another fairly obvious answer.

    She thinks it’s a bad practice. That’s her position and her opinion. Now, how smart is it to go play the game under the new rules before the rules are changed. Especially while the other team is running up the score? Makes no sense.

    States send a lot of money to Washington for those idiots to waste. States would rather send less and spend more at home, where they are more familiar with their own needs and problems. But, until that happens, what state in its right mind would spend money to Washington and stand by, taking none of it back, while it all goes to contractor friends of Barack Obama to not build parks they were supposed to build in inner-city Chicago?

    My answer (if I’m Governor Palin): Yes, I’m opposed to the practice of earmarks (as is Senator McCain) but I’m a Governor and I’m no fool (despite what MSNBC might tell you — I’d say that part, too, but I expect she won’t). Change the practice and I’ll applaud you. But, until you do, I’m going to continue to fight for the citizens of my state to not be disadvantaged by the pork slicers in Washington. And, in our case, we’d actually build the park we said we would and not pocket the money so, on balance, we’re all better off.

  • kavala007

    The Democrats truly think that all Americans are stupid. Let them say what they want since it is good for a laugh. We need to keep our eye on the $350 billion available ONLY upon Congressional action and make sure it is not earmarked for pork.

    • http://NA Lee Ruth

      Since Sec. Paulson has always been a Democrat, do you think that is the reason Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks and all the other Democrats were on board from the beginning?
      This is really bothering me.

      • kavala007

        Good question. I have no idea.

        I also do not understand the Federal Reserve
        Bank ‘s position on this but they are the bank that is charged with keeping the money supply liquid. I do know that if you go to:
        http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/usfd/20080926/usfd.pdf and look at page 15 you will see an almost 9 fold spike in the total borrowings from the Federal Reserve Bank between the second and fourth weeks in September. It looks as if it went from around 20 billion to over 185 billion so they are doing their job of keep liquidity in the money supply. I think that spike might have caught everyone by surprise. All the posturing of the Democrats that they had been working on this does not ring true. The only one I know who tried to sound an alarm were Republicans.

  • Seattle Moss

    Hey Folks…

    What is the October surprise?

    No..
    It’s not the whitey tape or Israel attacking Iran

    The October surprise is the media turning against Obama to save themselves from the defection of 20-30% of all Americans viewers.

    • mcpalin hill

      Hi ya Seattle — you always make me feel good.

      • Seattle Moss

        Hello S,
        I always enjoy back threading to read your thoughtful comments.
        Yes..It started with SNL. They were the first to recognize the blatant sexism against Hillary and that became a force towards the end of her campaign.
        The same happened the other night.
        SNL called Obama on his racism, his shady associations and his pie in the sky proposals.
        The most important thing that SNL implied is that Obama has no clothes!

        CBS just ran a fair and balanced report on both candidates and tomorrow Couric and Palin will have a love fest together.

    • Arabella Trefoil

      Yes!

  • http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

    OFF TOPIC:
    I know now that my local newspaper is in the tank for Obama. I read this article http://elect2009.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/st-pete-times-put-this-on-front-page/ and I am FURIOUS!
    I called them because this is just ONE guys opinion but none the less he puts this on the FRONT PAGE! How can someone get away with this? Shouldn’t they use a clause or something?

    • Seattle Moss

      My newspaper has been in the tank for Obama ever since the infamous business decision to destroy Hillary.
      I canceled abruptly The Seattle Slimes but they have since given me a free 6 month subscription. The paper is still not worth spit and I will finally cancel for good later.
      Now I’m turning my rage towards my cable subscriber after Letterman and Maher’s performances.
      This backlash is being noted!!
      It’s all about the money..Or their lack thereof!

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    Allowing Same Day Debate on tax bill…first vote going on now…
    dem yea 216 Nay 8 NV11

    repub. Yea 0 Nay 200 NV 7

  • nycdave

    I don’t know about any of you but this past week has literally made me physically sick.

    What should I do? Should I just stop watching this mess until Nov 4?? I don’t know how much more of this shit I can take. Watching one’s country crumble before their eyes is a terrible thing.

    • basil

      i kow what yo mean.

      i thought we’d seen the last of this disgusting smear-mongering when HRC suspended her campaign and released here delegates but this past week has reminded me of everything that happened during the Dem primary.

      I was so sure the Repubs wouldn’t allow JM to be trashed the way HRC was. I thought they’d come out swinging, the full brass knuckle treatment and yet they haven’t laid a finger on BO.

      That was HRC’s mistake. She waited TOO LONG!
      And this time we won’t have any alternative if
      Thugama bullies his way to the WH.

      :twisted:

      • http://chriss chris

        This was the headline in my paper’s election news coverage: “Clinton gets fired up stumping for Obama.”

        She is quoted as saying Obama understands the “economic challenges we face as well as the need to change the way we do business here at home and around the world.”

        She was speaking to a crowd of 1000 in Grand Ledge Michigan. How very sad to me that she is out there supporting this unethical, devious man. I am rethinking my support for her in a big way. She basically gave him the credit for solving this financial mess along with the other Dems. Why oh why would she ever wish this guy on our country. Very depressing to think she feels he is qualified.

        • Seattle Moss

          Chris,
          As far as I’m concerned Hillary has been close to invisible since June. Most of Her supporters don’t listen anymore and has absolutely no effect on the campaign except to remind people of what could have been.

          The more interesting note is Bill and his support for McCain which was parodied to great affect last night on SNL for all to see.

      • Seattle Moss

        Basil..
        I like your anger!!

        The main scream media have finally figured out that they backed the wrong horse and could be the biggest losers this year.
        Look at the Emmy’s and how they injected politics. Or how about Letterman the other night. Or Gibson and Couric and their gotcha interviews.
        We all know about the other networks but now it has trickled down to regular programing like hit show Greys Anatomy off 18% for the year.
        It’s one thing to piss off all the Clinton supporters but when you also piss off all the republicans then you have a debacle in viewership
        We the people are that powerful and the MSM has just found out with their ratings.

        It’s good to be angry!!

    • mcpalin hill

      nyc dave — The Republicans have not entered the arena yet and they are boiling mad. I will give you one bit of advice — stay away from the media. They are gutter snipes. First of all there will be an investigation of Obama and Acorn on Fox News. Plus the 527′s are coming. Republicans believe in fiscal responsibility. This is the most fiscally irresponsible bill ever. Do you think they are gonna just sit back and take this abuse? 38 more days — stay strong. Also check out Rush. I only started listening last Friday. Boy does he call em as he sees em and then I listen to Hannity. Then I feel good again.

    • wodiej

      what you can do is quit watching the news except maybe Lou Dobbs and Hannity. And volunteer to help McCain’s campaign. You don’t have to make calls or go door to door. Volunteer to take elderly people to the polls or help homebound voters fill out their absentee ballots. Donate some money or drop off some food for campaign volunteers at the headquarters in your town. Even if it is just some granola bars and fruit…anything helps. And if Obama comes to your town. go w others and PROTEST LIKE HELL.

      • nycdave

        I have donated money to the campaign. I will not volunteer because I live in a blues state. I would be wasting my time. If I lived in a battleground state I would be working my ass off to get John elected.

  • kgirl1028

    Well since It seems obama’s going to win. I’m southern and blacks so I already am bitter, and i have the whole religion thing down pack, so can any body help me with the cling to guns thing. Cause when the truth squad comes to my house I definately want to take out a few I rather die than become a bot.

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      lol….well lets see..do you own a a gun?…if so you are considered clingy…

    • basil

      LOL!

    • http://Q Diana L. C.

      So funny! What a picture I have in my mind. Let’s make a movie of it.

  • moi61537

    Pelosi says the House Republicans (the ones against Acorn) were “unpatriotic” becaus they did not attend a meeting. They were not told about the meeting and they were not invited. What ever happened to Speakers like Sam Rayburn or Tip O’Neil who were artisans but patriots. Are we in an Lewis Carroll story?

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      Someone on here recommended that we read a book by Jonah Goldberg…Liberal Fascism…I got mine today…last one at the book store I went to…it might help some of us understand what has happened to the dem party….

    • mcpalin hill

      moi61537 — Oh my Pelosi is over the top. She is now calling Republican Congressmen unpatriotic? This will not continue because the electorate is not going to take this well. This is the reason Democrats lose they can’t help but go nuts just when they need to work together.

      I have a strong feeling that the Democratic Leadership is going to be calling McCain to help sort this out. Won’t that be a hoot!

      Sorry if this sounds sexist–but Pelosi is a dumb bitch. I am a woman so I feel I have the right to say that this idiot bragged that she had a done deal — then she upsets the other side till they got their backs up–now there is no deal at all.

      All this while the country waits for sanity.

      • mcpalin hill

        moi61537 — Obama bragged that he put this whole deal together himself and now there is no deal–pompous asses like Obama and Pelosi make me laugh.

      • wodiej

        The Dem’s are under a false illusion of winning because Bush has been so bad and the press is in their corner. But Bush is not running for office again and the press doesn’t decide who gets the job of President-WE DO. So sit back and watch the show. There are reasons why Dem’s lose most elections-some of their principles used to be good but they have taken them to the extreme. Most Americans are hard working and they don’t like people who are lazy and mooch off of taxpayer dollars. The Dem’s continue to look like morons.

      • Typical White Granny type

        I think Piglosi should be watching her back. Either way this goes, Obama has the DNC and will be putting his people in high places. And let’s face it, she has 3 things going for her.

        She’s “old”.
        She’s “white”.
        Oh, SHE’S a woman, who has control of the congressional purse strings.

        That last one is the one that will get her.

  • http://www.patriotroom.com Bill Dupray

    McCain Ad (The Gloves Are Off Folks): “Chicago Machine”

    Obama’s Truth Squads will have a tough time disproving this stuff. Oh wait, the fact that there are Truth Squads, proves this stuff.

    http://patriotroom.com/?p=2603

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      That ad wad out before the debate wasn’t it…I may be wrong…

    • http://www.noquarterusa.net Linda

      This ad came out at least 10 days ago. Before debate or McCain returning to D.C.

  • MCSAME

    STILL NO WHITEY TAPE

    EPIC FAIL
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • mel

    A piece of advice for bloggers on here, there are some bloggers who claim to be worried over Obama becoming POTUS and are making all sorts of worrysome statements, be careful in what you patronize

    One of Saul Alinsky’s tactics is “to become one of your advisaries in order to gain entrance and acceptance first, then inject fear and any other sorts of swaying thoughts in your intended target!”

    Obama is pulling out all the tactics he can right now, he is falling terribly in secure Democrat States of California and NY and if you read the polling stats deeper, the call basis for the polls are bogus, an Axelrod tactic.

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      thanks for the info..

    • Merry

      I’ve heard this ‘fear tactic’ by Alinsky mentioned a few times. Maybe we can have an essay about it from one of our friends here at No Quarter

    • http://Q Diana L. C.

      Remember the polls in NH during the primary! That’s what is keeping me sane. I also know so many people who don’t obssess over the election as I do–most of the people near and dear to me, I’m guessing, long ago decided McCain and are just waiting for Nov. 4. I’m the “odd” one who had to leave the Democratic Party to go for McCain.

  • Shiloh

    A lot of you people are pathetic. You’re just not happy unless you are miserable. You actually let them depress you with the media and polls that you KNOW are bullshit. McCain is going to win without a doubt and easily. I’m going to bed before you weenies depress me.

    • RememberWeWill

      That’s the spirit! McPalin will win!

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      who believes the polls MSNBC/CNN have been quoting some on-line poll that 80% of the voters were not even in the USA….don’t trust any poll unless you do it yourself…I haven’t even been able to vote for McCain in the frig n AOL Straw poll for weeks now..

  • TeakWoodKite

    Constant Sorrow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifdgrfr0Bkk&feature=related

    That’s we got here. Who among us did not know this was coming?

    You can call it what you want. I’ll call it out right theft. Next week will see an accelration of runs on the Banks…

    world wide.

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      I hate that movie

    • http://highjinks Hillary2McCain

      TeakWoodKite – I agree – outright theft. Perhaps our political leaders should also be “run out on a rail” par your video.

  • McHope

    Ot from financial issues-
    Geraldine Ferraro, who has questioned Obama since she was supporting Hillary in the primaries, is now praising him on Hannity.

    • 30yrdem-not any more

      I am glad someone else saw that crap…Hannity is doing his job tonight.

    • sandy gonzo

      Her turn about is disgusting, really disgusting. I left her a voice mail the other day telling her how she had been my hero as young girl and up to this moment in time, but how disappointed I am in her now and what shame she has brought on her name. She will never be held in esteem by me again, never. This is the time for all American’s to stand firm, stand for principals that are utterly lacking in our leaders.

      • Seattle Moss

        Just to let you all know I vote on the merits.
        I enjoy a strong woman, married to one and have one running my plant, but Ferraro just doesn’t make the grade..I hate hearing her talk..Painful!
        I love Hillary for her smarts and I love Sarah for her values and convictions.

    • lark

      Not only praising Oblahblah but denigrating Palin and saying that she had zero experience. How do you like that turn around. After Palin praised her. Now forgotten for the love of Oblahblah. Obviously he offered her something. She’s on his payroll now. Anything for a buck.

    • Cubs in 08

      Yesterday she said to Neil Cavuto that Gov. Palin has “too much hair.” I jumped up from the sofa and screamed (scared the cats). I couldn’t believe my ears.

    • vinnie

      Ferraro, during the lipstick on pig incident, said that she doesn’t think Barry was a sexist. HUH? I couldn’t believe my ears. She doesn’t have to tear into Barry but I expected her to say something that shed some light into why women and others think he is one.

  • http://NA Lee Ruth

    There is something that really bothering me.
    Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Franks and all the other Democrats were on board from the beginning. Since Sec. Paulson has always been a Democrat, do you think that is the reason?

  • nycdave

    Fuck the polls. I don’t even care about them. It’s Mccain’s campaign that has me worried. He is letting Barry do as he pleases. If Mccain was punching BO in the face and still down in the polls I could live with that. But it seems like Mccain isn’t even trying.

    • mel

      Then go take a look at the first Ali/Foreman fight and watch how Ali let Foreman burn himself out by taking the shorts for the first few rounds and who won the fight?

      Obama has a habit of blasting his dumb mouth off and gets himself into trouble continually, before with Hilary, she could do nothing, McCain will seek out and destroy!

      Prime example, Obama is taking all credit over the deal today, but how could he be the saviour of it when the country knows the GOP was blocking the Bill for grounds which now have been adapted into the Bill, is that Obama’s doing, not at all, but Obama continually acts like the suck up student with the substitute teacher in the classroom, in grade 5!

      • Arabella Trefoil

        Good observation!

  • Bell’Artista

    I love Sean Hannity

    talking about Obama and Fanny & Freddy connection with Raines & Johnson & Jamie Gorlick

    talking about how Obama was #2 in receiving $$$$ from Fanny & Freddy!

    o happy day!

    FINALLY someone is speaking truth to power!

  • bert

    WOW!!! On Hannity’s America tonight on FOX, he is raking Obama over the coals on his ties to Fannie and Freddie and how much money he and Dodd took from them. HARD HITTING. About time.

    After the commercial break he is going to do a piece on all of Obama’s flop-flops.

    Must see TV.

    • csuzeq

      Was there an office lottery to see who would be the reporter to bring Barky down and Hannity won?

      I don’t get it! Doesn’t CNN and MSNBC want ratings? Just think of the ratings of they tell the truth about barky!

  • nycdave

    Someone posted this on Hannity message board:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo…imary-194.html

    Polls have Obama ahead by an average of 8.3 the day before the election in NH and still loses to Clinton by 2.6

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo…imary-259.html

    Polls show Obama up in CA by an average of 1.2 but loses by 9.6.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo…imary-534.html

    Polls show clinton up in MO by an average of 5.7 but loses to Obama by 1.3.

    seeing that is encouraging.

  • mel

    Question, will Palin thursday at the debate in her openning statement lay claim that she cannot respond to any questions due to the debate being in Missouri and Obama having a Truth Squad there who will arrest anyone Obama decides is lying about him in Missouri?

    • lark

      I bet she will.

  • Concerned Citizen

    From the floor of Congress:

    September 28, 2008
    Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX) reports from the floor of the House that the Republicans have been cut out of the process and called unpatriotic for not blindly supporting the fraudulent bailout. He says the only debate has been about what talking points to use on the American people. The most ominous revelation is when he claims the Speaker has declared martial law.

    “I have been thrown out of more meetings in this capital in the last 24 hours than I ever thought possible, as a duly elected representative of 825,000 citizens of north Texas.” Said Congressman Burgess.
    Burgess asks the Speaker of the House to post the bailout bill on the internet for at least 24 hours instead of passing the largest piece of legislation in US financial history in the “dark of night.”

    The most frightening part of Rep. Burgess’ one-minute floor speech is when he says, “Mr. Speaker I understand we are under Martial Law as declared by the speaker last night.”

    http://cspanjunkie.org/

  • Dawnelle

    damn I can’t get the thing to work for me

    it opens up but nothing is playing????

    what am I doing wrong?

    shoot

    • Diana

      Try emptying your temp files then go back on the main page. I didn’t have to download anything, but then I like to listen to George at night on Coast to Coast, sometimes he has some great shows, sometimes they’re pfft. So I may have had to download something a long time ago, not sure.

      • Dawnelle

        no luck

        oh well – time for bed anyway

        thanks for trying :-]

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    Pirates Die Strangely After Hijacking Iranian Ship

    A tense standoff has developed in waters off Somalia over an Iranian merchant ship laden with a mysterious cargo that was hijacked by pirates.

    Somali pirates suffered skin burns, lost hair and fell gravely ill “within days” of boarding the MV Iran Deyanat. Some of them died.

    Andrew Mwangura, the director of the East African Seafarers’ Assistance Programme, told the Sunday Times: “We don’t know exactly how many, but the information that I am getting is that some of them had died. There is something very wrong about that ship.”

    The vessel’s declared cargo consists of “minerals” and “industrial products”. But officials involved in negotiations over the ship are convinced that it was sailing for Eritrea to deliver small arms and chemical weapons to Somalia’s Islamist rebels.

    More details at Long War Journal.

    (Hat tip: Rand Simberg, who points out that the symptoms described could also be caused by radiation poisoning.)

  • Vicki

    Check your volume.

    They are talking about Iraq and the surge. Talking about moveon.org General Betray-Us.

    • Dawnelle

      LOL @ check my volume

      that would be hysterical if it were true

      no such luck
      I’m not that much a nit wit
      (wish, maybe, I was in this instance)

      it’s an old machine and can’t handle much
      Bachelor has NEVER come in for me on the LA station
      I’m too tired to see what other more local stations may cover him.

  • ford

    nycdave…I worked the polls in NH and I can tell you middle age women came out of the woodwork, and voted for Hill…and I think that is what will happen this cycle.

    I think there is a “silent majority” still, and they did not even watch the debate on Friday night because they are voting for Mac up here.

    I cannot explain why so many people say they will vote for BO, and then do not….I think the polls might be rigged.
    In the opening statement of the debate Palin needs to make a full on attack against Obama. She has to really hit hard, and call him a liar, point out the missing parts of his CV, and take that moose down.

    She then needs to fight. No nice , no sugar cake, tell the facts…and answer every question with a reference back to BO’s lies…

    She needs to shoot, and field dress that debate, and then become a nice sweet librarian again when it is over. She can do it.

    The MSM will hate her no matter what she does, so she might as well go in there and tear it up.

    • http://highjinks Hillary2McCain

      Agreed. Sarah needs to take BO apart point by point, lie by lie -no mercy!

    • nycdave

      I was talking to my father today and he was telling me to not worry so much about Obama because of the “silent majority”.He told me that at the end of the day he doesn’t think Americans would hand over the country to this criminal.

      As for the ” Marshall Law” thing. I heard someone use that term on CSPAN today and immedialtely at the bottom of the screen Cspan clarified that he meant ” congressional Marshall Law” not the traditional Marshal Law. Anybody want to comment more about this.

      • Linda OKC

        I’d tell him about ACORN…

  • Vicki

    No one seems to know how many R votes there are. Hmmm.

  • Vicki

    Hoover: The people urging the bill along are like Warren Buffet (whom I do not trust). She says there is too much panic.

    Johnson: Average Germans are not concerned. Democrats have painted themselves into a corner by vilifying Wall Street and now they support an unpopular bailout. Neglected reform. Republicans are “heroes” (his words). Rep conference is not ready to pass the bill, only the leaders.

  • Vicki

    Unger: This deal is between Paulson and Pelosi.

    Hoover. Why do they need the Republicans? If it’s so great, just vote on it and be done with it. Voting yes is political suicide. Principled stand by the Rs.

    Johnson: Dems are not getting encouraging calls.

    Batchelor: What if Rs block the bill or vote NO en masse?

    Hoover: The stock market may go down a lot – I don’t know the right number.

  • 30yrdem-not any more

    Is this for real? It can’t be..can it?

    Amy Goodman-Democracy Now-Martial Law October 1st

  • Vicki

    Johnson: Don’t give money to ACORN! Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson bought loans from them. People will be hurt. Rs should hold line otherwise they will be scapegoats.

    Batchelor: Bailout is not a done deal. Only the leadership thinks it has a deal, the membership is not going along.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    I heard Mr Johnson say that the Republicans have to stop this bill (or some part of it.. I’m forgetting the exact words as I type this).

    As a conservative , let me tell you… Do not count on the Republicans to suddenly find courage in the face of a media onslaught.

    The Republicans never hold up to the press, nor do they ever put any effort into countering lies about them.

    I say this so that you don’t get your hopes up in case one of them talks a good talk.

    Related to this, as I predicted what would happen, Both Obama and Biden are starting to tell people that it was Barack who started to warn about Fannie years ago, while McCain was blind and deaf to it.

    This is what stupid Republicans do… they never defend themselves with the truth and they allow lies to become media truth.

    • SJ

      I was saying that two days now Obama taking credit for this entire thing. Its not a matter of who did their best but the perception being cast in voters eyes is that its the Republican and Mc Cain that dont care.

      Its the Republicans that made this mess, they are the guilt one with G.W, all this talk from Mc Cain let history judge him is nonsense for god sakes he should come out and defend this nonsense.

      If McCain felt he was not going to want to get into the rough and tumble of politics well why the hell is he in the race, he cannot just sit back and let Obama run all over him, no one is going to give him a pity vote so he better start to fight back or he will have to soon bow to President Obama

      • 30yrdem-not any more

        Oh shut up…you don’t know what you are talking about…all the proof is out there you are just to blind to see it…if you seek the TRUTH you will find it …we can’t help you here.

  • Cooper

    “Video of Rep Marcy Kaptur warning Americans,

    “My message to the American people don’t let Congress seal this deal. High financial crimes have been committed.”

    “We are Constitutionally sworn to protect and defend this Republic against all enemies foreign and domestic. And my friends there are enemies.”

    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/64888

  • Diana

    Remember Obama’s speech in 2002?

    From the transcript:

    The speech that I delivered in 2002 wasn’t just me getting up and yelling, “I’m against the war.”

    It was a very clear, specific outline of what I anticipated would happen if we went into war and why we shouldn’t do it. And it stands up pretty well … [it] was based on sound judgment….

    Some of it was probably also my lawyer’s training.

    I watched pretty carefully the presentation made by Colin Powell at the United Nations.

    As a lawyer, you’re trained to poke holes in somebody’s case … it didn’t look particularly strong to me.

    Just like in New Mexico where Obama saw dead soldiers in the audience…

    Wow, that’s pretty impressive. Just one problem: Colin Powell’s speech was in February, 2003. How on earth did Obama see it in 2002? Well, we do know he’s a transformational candidate. Maybe he’s psychic. He apparently does see dead people.

    Video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkXYxB7zUb8
    Full article with video:
    http://tinyurl.com/3hwubc

    • benny

      lol rofl

  • Vicki

    Continued with my comments in [brackets]

    Batchelor: Time’s “The Page” quotes Reid: This has been a bi-partisan approach. Now we have to get the votes.

    Johnson: The D’s can pass the bill if they insist, they have a majority. The R’s aren’t ready to jump off the bridge.

    Batchelor: Margaret, don’t they understand they won’t get reelected if they vote for the bill?

    Hoover: They know that. No the leadership won’t be thrown out for anything. Even the initial lie about the “deal” that wasn’t will be ignored in the flurry of finger pointing. People will vote for someone. There has to be a bill, though.

    Batchelor: How can that be? Who will vote for this?

    Hoover: Republicans are holding the line and they have to make the bill more reasonable.

    Unger: Some kind of bill has to pass. Hard to predict when, might be a few more days. But what if no bill passes?

    Batchelor: Anyone who votes NO has a huge advantage.

    Johnson: Rs have explosive information about the reform that never happened. Accountability was never applied, though. Rs have to hold to principles.

    Unger: It’s a bi-partisan scandal [really?].

    Batchelor: The leadership has to make the bill palatable.

    Hoover: Right. If no one votes yes, they are all thrown out. [I doubt that.]

  • Seattle Moss

    Here is the evidence that McCain was instrumental in stopping a horrible bill
    McCain represents the Middle Class and main street.
    Screw Obama,Pelosi,Franks and Reid
    Especially Acorn

    http://www.blogsforjohnmccain.com/minority-leader-boehnermccain-stops-freight-train

  • MMI

    Don’t let polls distract us. Sure, we would like to see the numbers favor McCain, but if we believe McCain would be better for this country, then we fight for it until the very end. We can always talk about the polls after the election.

    • Vicki

      Didn’t Hillary consistently poll way behind 0bama in the primary and then beat him like a rented mule in the actual election?

      • MMI

        Yes. Thanks for reminding us.

  • mel

    Here is a true President and it sure isn’t Obama:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHqKoeAlAfM

    • SJ

      Am all for having Mc Cain as President but he is not going to win this race sitting on his hands while Obama is out there tainting peoples minds, making them believe that he is the only choice for them because as President he will give them a good life, not like the life they have now.

      When people have housing issues, financial issues, trouble to give their family the basic things they will grab at any straw or lifeline and if Obama is promising them just that this is the direction they will go in.

      McCain has to speak out, he cant leave it to the blogs the media or FOX to slam Obama for him, that will not happen, he has to start driving home all the points of this bailout and to why we are in this mess, he has to do just what he said make them famous and call their dam names. If he stay quiet say nothing and home American good sense will prevail in the voters he is going to lose this race, just like Hillary did.

      • mel

        Is the deal done? No

        Do you claim victory with a half a game to go? No

        Do you let your opponent keep sticking his foot in his mouth claiming victory when the second half hasn’t played out yet? Yes

        Politics is timing and McCain is a master of it, Obama is an opportunist and is stupid, so let Obama do grave digging himself for McCain to throw him in!

  • El
  • don tufts

    hey girls and guys ,chins up.AOL has a vote of over half a million on the debate and macs ahead by 3% with 8% saying it was a tie.also they have a staw poll going with over 200,000 votes all done state by state that is impressive for mac.so go check it out,sorry for not putting the links up but i honestly dont know how.god bless all,later.

  • Cooper

    Please sign the petition for NO WALL STREET BAILOUT!

    http://nowallstreetbailout.com/why2.php

  • Danny

    Hi Susan,

    Try what we did at our house it has really put the media in their place around here. We were so caught up in watching CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and rarely FOX well until we got so tired of CNN and MSNBC bashing Hillary all the time we would find our tv on FOX all of a sudden and FOX seemed to have became the sane chanel in this insane media market that we watch today. Well we just watched as long as we could but noticed that the media had gone way out there, too far out there for us to hang in… We hope that others will stop watching and regain their sanity as well. No more kool-aid induced anger from the MSM.

    We killed the cable! We opted instead for this limited cable where we get all the channels we need for like 14.00 bucks a month in HD even! We are not yelling at the fuckers on TV who have nothing better to do but lie to Americans and listen to themselves talk (Gov. Richardson) ect. We now have some sanity and serenity back in our lives and a respit from the Corporate MSM hacks.

    We watch ABC or CBS every morning for 20 minutes and each night for 30 minutes and get the rest on the internet. Plus we watch the Sunday shows well some of them. IF they start down the road of BS we just turn it off. This house is not going to take the constant BS TALK any more. I have to tell you that LIFE IS PRETTY GOOD right now without them. NO KIDDING!

    Danny

  • ck

    It looks as though ACORN may still be included in the new bailout bill. I don’t claim to thoroughly understand this. But, please look at the top of page 22 of the draft proposal. It’s posted at Fox News home page. This is continued from the bottom of page 21, regarding Transfer of a Percentage of Profits:

    A. 65 percent shall be deposited into the Housting Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 USC 4568) and
    B. 35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 USC 4569)

    Isn’t ACORN at the top of the list of CDFI’s (Community Development Financial Institutions) under the Capital Magnet Fund? Aren’t La Raza and Urban League also on that list? Is this just a generic (and sneaky) way that Congress has still included earmarks in this bailout bill without naming the organizations who will benefit? Why do profits from this bailout (which uses taxpayer dollars from ALL taxpaying Americans) need to be earmarked specifically for housing? Why not just place any and all profits from this bailout back into the U.S. treasury to be used for the good of ALL Americans where there’s greatest need? Might we not desperately need such funds at some point down the road to fund Social Security, for example?

    In addition, I believe this proposal, as worded, places far too much power in the hands of the Treasury Secretary. Why is Congress not setting up an independent regulatory body, with close nonpartisan/citizen oversight, to administer this bailout? I don’t understand this.

  • Maverick

    That’s probably why it failed. They snuck the Acorn deal in there under their affiliate names. They do need a team of people to oversee these funds. 1 or 2 credentialed overseers are not going to cut it. It’s back to the drawing board again.
    Revise, Revamp. This time they need to remove 150 billion and Acorn. They have to bend and remove that. They have to pass a bill. Pelosi needs to be compliant to the wishes of congress. We need quick answers and not just any answer will do. 550 billion max is all they should get and require additional overseers with yearly auditors and the removal of Acorn under the guise of their affiliate companies.
    2 more large banks are about to go. Soviergn and National City. The bubble is popping. They should not wait until Thursday. They need to continue to rework the bill.

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