“Exhale” Open Thread

Major Garret said that Obama voted present on the bailout bill.

Susan, thank you for bringing back genius Flineo’s videos. I think in fact all the GE voters should be introduced to them, one by one to expose what a character Obama is.

Obama votes PRESENT again – never takes an official stance on the bailout bill, never states whether he’s for it or against. As the reporter covering his campaign said today, Obama made a few calls to Democrats telling them to put themselves on the line, but he wouldn’t stand up and do it himself. Change you can’t believe in!

Per Major Garret just now on FOX:

“Obama is not sure if he is going back to Washington.”

See folks, that is part of the problem. In a crisis, Obama does not know what to do. I guess making such a decision is above Obama’s paygrade, huh?

Obama is weak.

Rut-Roh

Major Garret speaking from Colorado with some smack down against Obama now. Saying some are saying Obama did not do enough as the Democratic nominee to rally votes within his own party.

That’s a sure-fire way to make your voice heard.

I never understood why people fail to vote, for whatever reason. If you don’t vote, you have no right to whine.

McCain’s party does not hate his guts. He won the Republican nomination over Romney and Huckabee. Certain factions of his party were very displeased with him because every so often he poked a big stick in the President’s eye.

Are you serious about him voting “present”. No way! He couldn’t be that stupid. Didn’t he think that the public would find out? What is wrong with this picture. As for the NYCdave comment on this blog, I doubt very seriously if you had any intentions of ever voting for Mccain coming from the NYC of Hillary’s terrority. And I can say to you, Dave, at least Mccain tried to help- not like the ,savior who walks on water , standing on the sidelines. Like Palin said in an interview- he put his finger up in the sky and sees which way the wind is shifting to vote. In this case- he did “safe”. What a leader! What a man! What a coward!

Call Garret and clue him in that the Senate hasn’t voted.

He probably would do better rallying the members of the Bundestag.

He has not voted yet has he? The senate has not even gotten the bill.

Maybe someone should clue him in that the Senate hasn’t voted.

Obama is such a dick. McCain didn’t get it done either, yet.

At least McCain said something, which he has to know BO will wrap around his neck..BO is all about gotcha, isn’t he?

BO will vote “present” on anything…this proves it again…no leadership@ all.

Glad you’ll be staying home.

i think I’m sick of politics right now. I can’t concur with all the people on this site who are gleeful about the country crashing.

and so nydave, obambi is your man? huh? if so you are the joke. if not, then let’s discuss the democrats and what a bunch of spinless idiots they are. how about that dave?

Hey, From Day One, I have always stated that Soetoro-Obama is a controlled puppet. He is a compromised, effete, weak-minded thug from Chicago. He is propped up by the corporate interests of this country who think they will control him and his thugs, wannabe(s) Mugabe gansters! I am glad the House defeated the bailout bill. I am sick of the greedy Wall Street crooks. Now they are crying for welfare! Shit, let Rome burn and start all over. Which ever Reps stood-up, have the Balls. Sick of the entire mess. Most Americans know this is a scam. I tired of this phoney Soetoro and the corporate controlled media trying to make him out to be this glorious leader. Shit! Only problem, little Boots, no-matter how hard he tries, can not fit the bill.

Senator’s can vote in the house now? Cool!

HILLARY, come quickly, we nnneeeeeedddddd you badly!

The HOUSE voted today. “THE ONE” is a Senator. Though I honestly don’t expect to see him show up for the Senate vote…being the LOSER he is.

If Pelosi would have keep her mouth shut as Cavato in Fox said- maybe it would have passed. Here she stand up and blames Bush (my goodness the guy is leaving office already-she needs to get over it) and bash the republicans (especially since this collape was in her watch) we would have passed the forsaken bill. She has a big mouth like her daughter!

Nanacy Pelosi must be fasting and praying before she speaks to the ‘One’. She has failed and the ‘One’ aint happy.

Nancy Pelosi must be fasting and praying before she speaks to the ‘One’. She has failed and the ‘One’ aint happy.

I’m laughing here. That trillion will “open up the credit market” again. We give them money so they can loan it to us at loan-shark rates again. What a deal.

ummm, you do realize McCain tryed to take the bull by the horns. Pwlosi called a vote to the floor before she even knew if she had the votes.
I am really not sure what you are talking about. Republicans HATE this bill. When he went to washington only 4 pubs supported. Today 66 voted on it.
He cannot MAKE poeple vote for something their constituents hate.

I would rather a leader try and fail than not try at all. This bill was opposed by 228 poeple. Not just Mccains party. over 40% of dems voted no as well.
It really has nothing to do with his leadership. He went to DC and got the republican leadership a seat at the table when Pelosi was shutting them out.
Not to mention this bill is a raw deal all around.

I have never saw you post here EVAH. So i assume you are an obaba supporter stirring trouble.
At least McCain tryed. I want my leader to try, not to mention he knew it was a huge risk. He could have been like obama and do nothing. But McCain put his campaign on the line to do something that was needed.
Democrats should have gave up the 12 extra votes if it was important to them.

The Senate didn’t vote today. The HOUSE did, but don’t expect THE ONE to put an actual ‘vote’ “on the record” when the Senate does vote.

very true, soldier.

I am not gleeful, but the fact that 90+ D’s voted this bill down is staggering..it lost by less than 20 votes…I think it was 10. BO did not get it done.

Pelosi put crap up the Pub’s nose right before the vote(nice move Nancy, how have you stayed married all these years with people skills like that?)…then Nancy was SHOCKED that the Pub’s burned her and Bush…surprise there? No.

The surpirse is that the D’s burn ed BO….secret PUMAS?

Better yet, let him take another vacation to his amigos in Pakistan!

We’re not gleeful, tek, and it’s not just us.

Congressmen were getting calls 20-21 against the bailout from their own constituents.

Why do you think there were so many Dem holdouts?
They want to retain their seats!

Will they be meeting on Mt Olympus or at his retreat near the river Styx?

We’re not gleeful, tek, and it’s not just us.

Congressmen were getting calls 20-1 against the bailout from their own constituents.

Why do you think there were so many Dem holdouts?
They want to retain their seats!

tek:

I am looking at the people who voted “no.” What do they know that we don’t? When a liberal like Kuccinich says “no” and someone like Gingrich says “no,” maybe we should look at alternatives before we give the guy (Paulsen) who cut his teeth at an investment bank $700 Billion big ones … I don’t know.

I can tell you. I lost serious money in the past week. No one intellectually wants a FAST FREAKING ANSWER more than me. It’s my entire retirement and I am damn near needing it … but still … doesn’t this seem awfully hurried to you? What happened to all of the suspicion this group of Democrats always had for Bush? I don’t know nuance like I should but two guys on the opposite ends of the spectrum are saying NO, NO, NO ….

“Based on what I’v witnessed so far about their behavior, my worry isn’t a passing thought. It’s a real concern.”
Sad to say but I think there is most likely a plan already in the works whether Obama wins or loses for the people backing Obama to cause all kinds of trouble for the nation.

corrected post below

(sorry for the twofer!)

ding ding! another $20 donation to McCain/Palin. Thanks troll, that’s what happens every time you do it.

The Republicans were just looking for an excuse to vote no. Pelosi was their excuse. They had better pray the economy doesn’t collapse between now and whenever they decide to vote for something (sounds like that will be THURSDAY). Otherwise, they will be held responsible along with the Democrats who voted against it.

I think the point is, he is “voting present” by not taking a stand one way or the other.

Is ANYONE really still thinking they should vote for Obama? ROFLMAO. WHY? He does nothing, knows nothing and he flipped America off until Bush made him show in Washington. The real hero here is McCain. Period.

I’d like to know how many of those Dems not rubber stamping this were holding back because they want ACORN put back in. Were they the Black Caucus?

Listen Tek, Its not the American people who are crashing. It is the same corporate crooks who control our media, who are behinf the corruption on both parties. We know when we are being ripped off. Americans are hard working, we pay our taxes, we are just tired of the RIP-OFF con artists who have caused this mess. Now they want want welfare, who pays, the American working people. Who benefits? The F**king crooks on Wall street and the international corporations who are running this scam. WE are tired of it!

actually they ARE happy cause it as all part of Obama’s plan to keep the topic on the economy. I hope this quiets down by the end of the week so McCain can start the attacks on Obambi

This is not over yet, hang on…

You can try to “steer” the discussion around this, just like the MSM always does about everything, into an anti-McCain Obama love-fest. Won’t work – this strategy is so last February. At least try something new to keep us entertained.

behind, who pays? in! Typos-working

Who’s going to hold them responsible?

Their constituents who didn’t want a crap sandwich shoved down their gullets?

There was overwhelming POPULAR support against this billet doux to the Street. (not to mention the pork for the rabble-rousers)

Senator John McCain won the Republican Party’s presidential nomination with honesty and fairness to the other candidates.
As he said, he is not Mr. Congeniality in Congress,when fighting for the people’s rights. He & Gov. Palin promised during the campaign, that they will clean Washington & the Wall Street, once elected.America needs to get rid this corrupt politicians & bring back the government to the people, after all, it is of the people, for the people & by the people.
NOOBAMA
Vote McCain/Palin ’08

It’s not Bush they don’t trust, it’s the whole thing…the lies, the few details, the get it done now because of the Jewish Holidays…and I’m Jewish!

Look there was just this SUDDEN burning building, and many different plans out there,,but only ONE they wanted us to pick…and it initially had lots of crap in it…

then it had ACORN, then not..Then it has stuff for Wall St. but not Main St.

BO did not see this coming…what does that tell you?? He thought a few phone calls and this would get done because he said so…the plastic Jesus. McCain at least took a stand and then went to DC 2 xs. to try to convince Pub’s…then Pelosi sets the Pub’s on fire right before the vote…check out her speech, and tell me she has ever tried to talk to a teenager. It is a miracle she got this far..

Pwlosi called a vote to the floor before she even knew if she had the votes.

According to FOX she knew. Even FOX’s count had the bill failing to pass. And that was BEFORE Madame’s little prickish speech.

And if you know anything about how Congress operates you know that IF a leader wnats a bill to pass they do a head count before hand. And if the votes are not there they do hold the vote.

She, the Dems wanted this to fail.

Obama decrees the bill to be passed, and 90+ dems say f*** off. Thats an irony. I thought that good ole barry was Godfather over the democratic party mafia. The Godfather wont be pleased.

And whats wrong with consigliere Pelosi? very dissapointing.

Oh come ON! The Democrats have been in control of Congress for LESS THAN 2 YEARS. I have just about had it here with all the damn Republican talking points spewing forth by supposed Democrats. This is fu*king ridiculous. The REPUBLICANS took control of Congress in 1995…..they had Congressional control under Clinton and then 6 FREAKIN’ YEARS of the IDIOT-IN-CHIEF. It’s BULLSHIT to blame this on the DEMOCRATS. I’m sick of it. They took control of Congress in 2006!

I think people are wondering exactly why this is such a crisis when it isn’t being treated like one. I mean on one hand the house says it is critical that is be passed. Fine. But if it is really critical and the country needs it, why are the (excuse me I must) democrats refusing to pass it with the votes they have just because they only got 63 republican votes? They are outright telegraphing the irrefutable fact that they are by intent choosing not to do what they believe is critical to do because they fear being stuck with political responsibility for it.. The only other explanation is they don’t really feel it is critical.

its not me….You sound like the shithead MSM. Who are trying and have shoved that assh**e, Soetoro down are throats! Hey, looky the sky is falling, its Iraq MSM news all over again. Let Rome burn, Americans are just tired of the hypocrisy!

Obama needs to go, I can’t wait to cast a vote against this freaking fraud, I can’t stand him…..

Roll call

check it out

new rasmussen swing state polls: not good news. And this is before today’s crisis. Obambi must be smirking somewhere with his ugly wife

And McCain’s stand is? (So far he’s been parroting Obama’s positions with a few days lag time.)

new rasmussen swing state polls: not good news. And this is before today’s crisis. Obambi must be smirking somewhere with his ugly wife

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/fox_rasmussen_polling/fox_rasmussen_swing_state_polling_september_28_2008

You Tube pulls a popular anti-Democrat video off the web

C. Edmund Wright

You Tube and Warner Music Group today pulled a highly popular video that very succinctly and clearly spelled out the roots of the current economic crisis.

The 9:59 video entitled “Burning Down the House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis” played four different songs under a fast moving video sequence that very clearly tied Democrats like Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson and Barack Obama to policies and corruption related to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It cleverly showed how the “affordable mortgage” programs sent an economic virus through the entire economy and showed Republican efforts to intervene and regulate being blocked.

For Obama and all congressional Democrats, it was a devastating video.

The video had almost a perfect viewer rating and had been viewed some 1.2 million times according to the You Tube counters. Sometime around 3:45 EDT the video disappeared with the banner saying “This Video is no longer available due to a copywrite claim by Warner Music Group.”

This sounds to me a lot like another front in this war for the country.

Thomas Lifson adds:

Even though I wonder if Warner is so vigilant about its music being used for videos advantageous to Democrats, there is a perfect right to object to appropriation of intellectual property. Music is a business, and if you use someone’s music you have to pay a royalty.

Simply re-post the video minus its music soundtrack, and see what happens. Ot use a soundtrack of music in the public domain. I suggest Vivaldi’s Four Seasons, which has a driving beat of its own in various places.

Update: Daniel J. Bianco writes in, poiting out that head of the Warner Music Group’s political contributions this year are going exclusively to Democrats.

Its not me…Hey, I have always been a Dem…I don’t want another shithead Bush, but who will be much worst, so you believe the phoney messiah and his gang of thugs are the answer? Yeah, you get real.

i bet every dem would have voted aye had the acorn slush fund been included

burton (o’s spokesman) was smirking about how McCain went on a double-date Sat nite (in DC) instead of pulling an all nighter…

and where was the boy wonder? (“yeah, but, like he’s not tryin to say he wuz helpin == doncha all get it?”)

MacCain never had your vote.

You can only fool yourself, because you know the truth.

Sheila Jackson-Lee voted NO.

I’m just about to log off, don’t have time to scan for others!

You make many claims with out proof… I guess you will believe anything Obama claims without proof as well.

VOTERS. There’s an election coming up in November. If shit hits the fan between now and then…they will pay. Even though the Majority of citizens don’t want the bailout (ME included), they will be held responsible for any collapse because THEY are responsible for what’s happening to the economy because of their crappy DISASTROUS lack of regulation/oversight of what was going down on Wall Street.

Here are 12 obama superdelegates that voted no on the bailout bill:
Rep. Linda Sanchez (CA)
Rep. John Salazar (CO)
Rep. David Scott (GA)
Rep. Bobby Scott (VA)
Rep. Jose Serrano (NY)
Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (NH)
Rep. Pete Stark (CA)
Rep. Betty Sutton (OH)
Rep. Bennie Thompson (MS)
Rep. Mark Udall (CO)
Rep. Tom Udall (NM)
Rep. Peter Visclosky (IN)

There is a lot more I just picked 12. Now maybe if obama picked up the phone and called the 12 instead of waiting for someone to call him pelosi won’t be the gigantic failure she is now.

HAHAH! I’d say the chances of McCain missing the vote are better than Obama’s.

John McCain missed 64.5% of the votes this year
Barack Obama 46.5%

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

At the rate she’s going she’d vote present too.

They like their seats in Congress better than they like either Pelosi or the 0ne.

To be crude… (which you should understand well…). GO SHIT IN YOUR HAT.

90+D’S DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS.. SECRET PUMSA?

hahahaha…….we got a $3/hour troll. hahahaha

of course this was meant for the top of the thread… -> nycdave

In addition to Obama not being able to rally his troops and be a leader on getting just 10 more Democratic votes, there is even a more troubling fact. According to Not Your Sweetie it appears Obama did not insist that bankruptcy provisions that would allow judges to do loan modifications or any forbearance was not put in the bill. There’s no moratorium on mortgage foreclosures in here, according to Dennis Kucnich.

He was told Obama did not want these types of provisions.

Can you believe it?? The he stands in front of cameras and clains I I I I I I I made sure Main Street was protected.

The ass.

Assobama

McCain came back to DC when it counted. Oblockhead had to be scolded to even show up. He then took credit for the compromise, which then promptly failed.

HAHAHA back at you, loser.

I wouldn’t care.

Hmmmm…….Mark Udall. interesting…..

I FUCKING DETEST BO. I hate him as much, if not MORE, than I DETEST The IDIOT-IN-CHIEF, so don’t throw that shit at me. I’m also against the fucking bailout bill. IMCPO, Paulson was trying to save his own personal fortune…since he use to be a head honcho of Goldman Sachs. THAT is why the urgency from him. BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT, but the REPUBLICANS own this disaster.

I know you reject the truth here, but your ship is sinking fast!

Note that both Udalls (running for Senate in NM and CO) voted NO.
I wonder how Barack feels about two of his newest potential Senate pimps going against him?

I feel the same.

NHDem…Why did Carol Shea Porter not vote for the bill?? It only lost by a few votes..didn’t she get her marching orders from Nancy…she usually follows those ,what’s up?

I saw that she wants to drill for oil now too…

Let us not forget if it was such a great bill why did 1/3 of the Democrats also vote against it? We need to find out who those Democrats were and lift them up. There is obviously more in this bill that needs to be cut we’re not hearing about.

Nah–that’s way too much. That obamalobotobot makes $0.05 per post. He/she/it would have to make 60 posts an hour to make that kind of panhandling money. Wait…you may be right. nevermind.

My pet goat the remix

‘your ship is sinking fast’. must be a gaza troll. lol

benny,as of this moment, Barack Obama has not said which way he would go. His advisers are telling him that his poll ratings are high because of the economy going down.Dem wants more for their pork barrel rather than benefit the country.Blame the other party,for not giving in, that’s what Dems will say.Dirty politics, Chicago style.
Why not give the right dose of medicine to the dying patient first, make him robust, so he can work harder? Make him work,7/24 ( impossible? )Then tax him for the Dems’ pork barrel.Obama needs the money for his campaign promises.What Obama wants, he gets. He is the PHONY,egoistic, corrupt leader.
NOOBAMA !
McCain/Palin ’08
God Save America !!!

Hon (that’s short for jerk) there ain’t going to be any Senate vote.

roflmao

Thanks a million. Boy did I looked for it. So its under ‘clerk.’ Thanks again.

What did he do when he came back??!! NOTHING!

He injected presidential politics and made the situation worse. Yesterday his minions were all over TV claiming victory for John McCain, saying her brought the rebubs together and showed leadership!

Tell me ONE thing he did to help this situation…ONE THING!

HELL NO. I would never vote for that asshole, but I’m not a Republican…never have been and never will be (though I will probably vote for McCain..I’m in Illinois, so my vote for him won’t much matter). The REPUBLICANS caused this….with the help of Democrats, but the Republicans were in control of Congress until 2006…less than 2 freakin’ years ago. BOTH PARTIES ARE CORRUPT, but Republicans own this disaster.

I don’t give a damn if this ship is “sinking fast”. This 30 year Democrat wouldn’t vote for Obama if you paid me back the money I lost since the crisis began.

This is the MSM freak show all over again, we got to move fast, don’t ask questions? Just do, WE ARE DOING IT FOR YOU, Main street America. Well, f**k-you, I aint buying it! This a god-damn scam, just like the media show with Mr. Soetoro, I want my congressional reps to represent the Working American people. Screw the corporate crooks and thier political thugs. I want to see a more rational plan of action, I want to see some real debate in Congress, televised. Let’s see what Little Boots has to say? I want to hear some real answers the issues which confront our country. I tired of the plitudes and the hypocrisy! Let’s have a real debate, I want to see what these so-called congressional reps are saying.

Stop lying.

‘her brought the rebubs together’. definitely a gaza troll.

Do you really think that 2000 people are going to make the election go their way? Please, we don’t pay attention to polls – LET ME ASK YOU WHAT WERE YOU DOING ON THIS DAY?

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/Pres/Maps/Nov01.html

By any chance did Kerry win? OMG…the youth all came out- the blacks- the diehards- the new registered voters………And Kerry lost big time. Look how far the same polls your are looking at had him? Don’t believe in polls anymore.

I haven’t heard that since the Army. LMAO.

When will Kucinich’s exposing of Obama be told by our good friends in the Obama cheerleader network aka the MSM?

I’m not convinced either party wanted to pass this. Obviously the democrats could have on their own. I now think it’s just a political football and all of them are trying to weight the political fallout if it passes vs if it doesn’t. As I heard Neil Cavuto say – I hope we don’t actually have to have serious damage in order to prevent serious damage. If it starts becoming a christmas tree with every constituency saying , hey where’s my cut, it will never pass. That reminds me, I’ve been paying my mortgage for 25 years and was never late once – where’s my cut?

During Pelosi’s buzz killer statement before the House, she spoke about “no regulations, no supervision, no discipline…” She mentioned an “anything goes mentality.” She talked about those who were hell bent on “creating chaos.” At one point the House Speaker announced “The party is over.” Imagine my shock upon learning that Pelosi was describing Repub House members who voted against a 700 trillion dollar bail-out, when all along I thought Pelosi was talking about the sham Roll Call at the Dem Convention!

Another thing which galls me, you call our reps and they don’t even talk with you? Maybe you get a response on email, or an aide, who is some youth intern? There is no accountability?

question–what does nancy pelosi’s husband say when they go to bed at night? answer– paper or plastic

McCain told Obama to FO in the WH last thursday for trying to ram the ACORN part of the Bill through so Obama could keep his private army financed!

Now troll what did Obama do, oh yes gave the order this morning “to get it done” and 90+ of his own party members told him in no uncertain terms to FO, leadership to enjoy…..lol

Hmm, I think you’ve got something there. I want a fast solution as much as anyone, but why the hell do these folks do this stuff w/only a few minutes to spare? (Why do they take so many vacations when our whole nation is in crisis mode? For that matter- why does Nobama take so many vacations?) I’d really appreciate some reasoned and extended discussion and debate on the ramifications of what they’re doing. Kuccinich and Gingrich agreeing, eh? It really is a strange year… I think Pres. George “Chicken Little” Bush has squawked one time too many & now they don’t believe him. Fasten your seat belts, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

It’s no coincidence then that of the 205 Members who voted in support of the bill today, there are only two — Reps. Chris Shays (R-Conn.) and Jon Porter (R-Nev.) — who find themselves in difficult reelection races this fall. The list of the 228 “nays” reads like a virtual target list for the two parties.

While it’s clear that the main reason the bill failed was the provincial concerns of more than 220 Members…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/the_failure_of_the_financial.html

I guess he forgets that last week he was making fun of McCain for suspending his campaign and heading to Washington.

Now I fully understand why the US is in the shitter financially. People like this troll say, do, espouse anything and turn on a dime. Thank God this one is only 15 years old.

The reason thet voted it down is because they’re getting an earful from their constituents back home, the clear majority of whom do NOT want a bailout bill of ANY kind passed. They’re saying “Let the people who made this mess rot in it. Let ‘em go under. They deserve it.”

Let the Fed inject as much near-term money into the system as needed to keep the credit markets open until we have time to find out where all these shitty real estate loans actually are. There’s no need to rush into a commitment of $700 billion of taxpayer money.

There are plenty of well-managed financial institutions out there with ample cash like JP Morgan/Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Northwestern Mutual, etc. who didn’t chase the easy money in the mortgage markets and who can now use their healthy balance sheets to swoop in and buy up the worthwhile assets of these other firms at distressed prices.

Pelosi/Obama want to blame the GOP for the bail-out failure even though many Dems including the majority of the Black Caucus voted no. The two house-reps from BO’s south side Chgo neighborhood, Jesse Jackson Jr. and Bobby Rush also voted NO.

Ah yes Susan! Where are the great leaders when we need them? Tip O’Neil comes to mind to be added to your list! We have a woeful lack of leadership in Washington.

As for the bill going down to defeat because the politicians were hearing from the voters- AHH, HMMM, NOT! If they actually listened to the voters we would have Hillary – not some lame marionette. They are freakin out and doing their damdest to keep their seats. It’s all about them and has absolutely nothing to do with what is good for the country or the voters.

I seldom listen to Rush but did about a half hour today. He was saying how huge the 2005 hearing video is. Now they found a way to have it taken down, at least temporarily. I mean that video says it all. it is 8 min long but anyone who watches will think differently.

I just saw it. I hope that the Republicans will use it in their campaign ads.

You stinking little troll. Go back and get your $&., just eoungh for another fix of Kool-aid!

It’s funny to me how our house and senate want nothing to do with religion. Constantly scream separation of Church and State. Yet they want all those religious holidays off? From every religion. How is that separating the state from religion? Or is that wall only invisible when it works to their advantage? They scream separation now they need to practice what they preach and work. They can’t have it both ways.

The only reason they would have voted NO is because there wasn’t enough pork in it for them.

Rather than bailing out investment bankers why doesn’t the government investigate them for fraud and theft.

I support all of the Congressmen/women who voted against the bailout.

McCain & Obama are in way over their head in this matter.

No bailout. And no bail!!!!

He tried. Your master didn’t and then laid claim to it and then it failed. Why did he lay claim to it? Why didn’t he get those Democrats they needed to pass it?
Answer those questions, oboamalobotobot. And don’t stray off topic again, half-wit.

The dems want ACORN funding back in. Thats the rub. They won’t vote it in unless ACORDN funding is back. We all know it. You can’t trust Yahoo or Google anymore. My God this country has been corrupted by the democrats and Soros and stinking Obama and his minions. I think I’ll be buying a gun sooner than later. This country is going into a civil war and soon.

We’re not gleeful Tek, it was a bad bill. I am not sure why John McCain was hopeful it would be passed, he has some “splaining” to do. However, what I do believe is what Donald Trump said during an interview with Fox…the drop in the market “is a cleansing”. Oil dropped, that is not a bad thing. In fact, no credit except to those highly qualified is not a bad thing. It will rein in the speculators, the ones who bought oil to hold and who bought houses to flip, etc.
It may be painful for some, but for those of us who did not make risky deals and lived within our means, it WAS A BAD BILL! Besides having all sorts of legal and constitutional questions. How can you help one business and not another? ‘Splain that?

classic!

Newsbusters: Chris Matthews: Brought To You By a Lender Charging 99% Annual Interest
So why does Hardball have as a sponsor a lender with a target market of the down-and-out, that charges borrowers . . . over 99% per annum in interest? [Large screencap showing fine print after the jump.]
There I was watching this afternoon’s Hardball, when, just after Matthews got through playing [for the umpteenth time today on MSNBC] clips from Tina Fey’s latest Sarah Palin impression, on came an ad for something called Cash-Call. A Gary Coleman look-alike, or perhaps the Diff’rent Strokes veteran himself, appears and makes an aggressive pitch to people at the end of their rope…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/09/29/chris-matthews-brought-you-lender-charging-99-annual-interest

This disaster was created by the democrats who blocked all the regulation in the house .

This disaster was created by the democrats who blocked all the regulation in the senate .

And paid way too much. I imagine he/she/it will be canned anon.

You stinking little troll! Go collect your $7; Just enough for another fix of your kool-aid!

We can all breath easily knowing that the democrats have provided an experienced candidate with a history of solid judgement, to get the country back on course.
Not.

Have you guys really not figured it out yet. OBama is creating this, these fools thought they could control obama, now he’s controling them. The more this is hyped up, the more upset people get with the republicans. and news flash to nancy, just like he didn’t care that you bent of backwards and licked his behind and pissed off off he could care less if she is even re eleected.

Let’s be 100% honest, Americans are inherently stupid. They believe everything they are told. Right now I promise you the average person believes the Republicans caused this problem, they are the enemies. So the longer obama and his gang hold up the bill the angerier people will be come at bush and the republicans. Yes obama is screwing his own party, he’s screwing with our economy and until people wake up and see it ,which i doubt they will. 12 of his superdelegates are voting no. and people think it’s a coincidence. Oh yeah and he also knows john mccain is not going to go back and campaign until this is over, just this morning, we put a patient in seclusion, and i was supervisor, there was a charge nurse but i still was there, i couldn’t just leave, so i help out, make sure things got done. I didn’t leave until 8:30am, I get off 7:15am. Obama knows McCain is the same way, so while he does nothing, mccain is in washington trying to help out. he did it will hillary and he’s doing it with McCain using their better nature against them. The only way to change this situation. Get Pelosi and othe democrats to realize obama is screwing them so he can win. Obama doesn’t know how to win unless he cheats.

That map is A LOT bluer than Obama’s map.

they must be working for free now since the head of acorn ran off with all the money and left them broke, thats why they wanted the pork from the bailout

Major was just making a joke. Relax!

The funny thing is hearing those against this bill decry it as “socialism”.

Not passing this bill is the first step to real socialism. Credit market dries up, jobs dissappear. Foreclosures rise.

President Obama has all the answers. Pretty soon you have a nice job, housing allowance and food courtesy of the leader.

We have already seen how a little fear can make average Americans give up their fundamental rights. Try a little poverty and see what the middle class will be willing to give up.

I don’t know if Obama really is a socialist, but if the economy isn’t righted soon, we will have a chance to find out.

They call this a Wall Street bailout and that is why so many are against it. What is really is, is a rescue for capitalism. Yes, Wall Street and the bankers screwed it up with help from consumers who don’t understand a damn thing about interest, but in the end it is all of us and our way of life that needs the rescue. Without it, true socialism may not be as far away as you think.

nocturnalwarriorshow@gmail.com

Ah…I see. That wasn’t made clear by the posts about it. I thought he meant it literally.;)

Not to be OT, but one of the biggest disgraces of Obama is the fact that he even HAS these filthy dirty TROLLS all over the net. Can you imagine? And who are these total LOSERS who blog for Obama? The one thing that is apparent this election is that it really IS the dregs of America voting for Obama. And these paid bloggers make me vomit. Get a life you idiot trolls. All you do is expose yourselves all the time for the nitwits you are. And some of you are so vile that you just drive more voters to McCain.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08

Obamabot starts the thread. Sheesh. go away!

LOL! I shouldn’t laugh, but you can’t cry all the time.

Indyhill, It both ways, Soetoro-Obama, just like his persoonal life!

Wanna see something kinda sad?
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The world’s central banks, led by the U.S. Federal Reserve, announced a $330 billion expansion of currency swap arrangements, which allows them to increase the amount of money they can provide in their home markets, effectively throwing more money at the crisis.

Oil drops 8 per barrel!

Obama already said he supports the bailout but wouldn’t be voting on it. Guess you can have your cake and eat it too.

Susan,
Bo’s henchmen and their reaction to his lose OR win:
Those of us who dared to oppose him will either keep the A.C.L.U. booked, or the firing range booked!
Damned idiots who vote for these candidates that they know NOTHING about, should be lined up first!
Any level of investigation of this guy should sound warning bells…so let them go in deaf and blind!

One of them who voted Nay today was Jay Inslee, a sharp Congressman in Western Washington state who was a committed supporter of Hillary Clinton and also happens to be a good friend of Joe Wilson’s.

Gotta agree both parties are at fault. It will fall more heavily on the Republicans but with the way Pelosi, and the rest of the mob squad has been acting, people aren’t that entusiastic about the Democrats. I don’t give a damn what the polls say.

If anything this crisis has exposed the Democrats for what they claim the Republicans to be- corrupt. No one trusts either party this time around. In fact it’s the only reason McCain isn’t that far behind Obama as he should be.

God. I’m starting not to give a damn anymore. I would feel more secure with McCain than Obama though. But who the hell knows.

Hey Mike-
You might want to do some FACT CHECKING before you embarrass yourself any further.

Why do you think FOX keeps showing Obama on top of McCain?
Do you think they are joining conservatives to get him to ditch Palin?

off topic but heard today gov.rengal is following the lead of alaska gov.sarah palin. sold the company plane lolol.

No..I don’t think they think that the Pub’s caused this problem, I think they know DC caused this problem.

I do no think that the average person thinks that the Pub’s stole from them…I think they see all of DC stealing from them…I sure do.

I think McCain has got an opportunity here, if he fumbles it..Bo will win.

BO looks weak and Putin would eat him as an appetizer. This will only prove it for foreign relations…he can’t even control the black caucus.

Gingrinch has stated he supports the revised bailout plan. Kucinich is against it because it doesn’t inflict enough pain on the wall street types-not sure if I don’t disagree.

Amen!

The wingers here are doing PUMA no favors. How can we send reasonable people to NQ, when they’ll constantly hear Republican talking points (i.e., blaming the Democrats for their screw-ups, which is all Republicans ever do) and hear people chattering about communist plots? It’s like Wingnutistan around here sometimes.

Didn’t Hillary have a good plan for this crisis? I thought I saw it some where.

It’s Not Me:

Bill Clinton would respectfully disagree with you on that point. He has laid the lion’s share of the culpability directly on certain members of his own party.

LOL!!

There is something ther than meets the eyes, if most of the Black Causus voted negative, what are they planning for their fearless leader, Mr. Sotoro? I hope it baclfires, right in their face. They have to be held accountable just like all Americans. Tired of little Boots getting the past because they say he is black?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASvqtD6g8PU

Still around!

Stupid question but are there any moderately honest democrats? If so who? And do you think they would be willing to hatchet Nancy and the obama twelve. what i’m think is that if someone a reasonably honest democrat was willing to implicate them in this foolishness. If obama’s followers on the internet has annoyed us as much as they have, i’m quite sure his followers are probably no less annoying in real life. Just like there was someone who reported, what the grandeous fool said after the magical mystery tour in a closed meeting, there is someone who knows that these fools are doing. But what america and democrats need to realize is that obama is willing to sink them and this country and the party just so he can win. This fool could bottom out the stock market if he plays chicken too long. Obama is not as smart as he thinks he is and like he has done o ver and over again, he over plays his hand. The well being of our ecomony could be crushed, because people have lost confidence in the dollar.

Some other websites (Michelle Malkin) are reporting that Pelosi voted No and then changed her vote at the end. Weird!

No kidding.

It’s delusional and ridiculous to blame it on Obama – the House Democrats got EXACTLY the votes they said they would get.

We got screwed by the House REPUBLICANS! The deal was supposed to be 80-90 GOP votes. THEY GOT 65!

Christ, McCain, you might as well stayed on the trail for all the good you did. I notice you made it back on the trail to take credit for bringing the House GOP on board. Idiot.

I am beside myself with rage right now. You wanna know how this hits main street? My loan to purchase my first home is now ON HOLD. Four years I skrimped and saved to get 20% down. I’ve been looking for just the right home in my price range for 10 months. Now?

Who knows what will happen. The loan officer told me “everything’s on hold”.

I now officially HATE John McCain. Go Kamikaze somewhere else you erratic, LIAR.

We are in the current situation of unpredictable events, generated by un-natural causes. It has nothing to do with “greed on Wall St” – that is one thing I do know.
This time, I’d speculate that there are many more victims on Wall St. than villains. Any villains are in Congress or had some connection to Congress.

The current situation originated inside Congress and the very same perpetrators are poised to fix it. That in and of itself is even a greater problem. Kind of like the fox in charge of the chicken coop scenario, who is being paid by the farmer to guard his chickens… well after all the chickens have been eaten, the very same fox is in charge of investigating who ate all the chickens. The fox will only feign innocence, blame the chickens of being “greedy” and demand the the chicken coop get replenished with new chickens at the farmers expense.
Its gonna take some divine intervention to fix this mess we’re in.

My speculation (and it is only a bad speculation)…
It is likely to drill down to very unexpected places.
This is something that is highly infective.
One situation infects the next one.

Based on the various internet videos I’ve seen over the weekend, I can only offer this observation. When it is the Republicans clamoring for more regulation and the Democrats denying the need for any regulation, as everything is fine just as it is, -SOMETHING IS VERY, VERY WRONG!

Amen.

hey mike, obambi has no positions. he is the me too kid! you are joke!

I’m tired of people blaming this on the democrats – the deal didn’t need HALF the GOP. They got a third.

This falls sqaurely in the lap of the Republicans, who after a generation — now wanna play populist.

Yes, and so did McCain — the two were very similar, and out ages before BO put his out.

Come to Canada. Bring your money. Our economy is humming right along under a conservative government. Really, it’s true!

No it wasn’t. It was created by REAGAN who insisted on DEREGULATION in the first place. That’s the REPUBLICAN brainchild. Republicans OWN IT. They gave free reign to Wall Street, Pharmaceutical companies (LOOK at what they did with the Medicare perscription drug plan…another DISASTER), Insurance Companies…..nope…. THIS belongs to the REAGAN REPUBLICANS and the REAGAN DEMOCRATS. Their DREAM (Republicans) has always been to kill The New Deal…ever since its inception. That is what they have been doing for the last 8 years. Right now, it looks like they have succeeded. They have finally nearly bankrupted the country to the point that all those so-called “entitlement programs” like Medicare, SS and any other Social program will DIE a slow death. That’s always been their dream and we are now looking at the reality of that dream and it SUCKS.

if we are sunk, why are you still here?

save it peter. Pelosi took it to the floor knowing she did not have th votes
If your outraged it should be at the party with a majority who could pass this bill with zero republicans on-board. Then, she trashed them in her speech right before the vote.
The bill is a bad bill to begin with.
You should be outraged that our Congress is trying to feed us a crap sandwich and trying to use fear to get it passed.
3 nobel prize winning economists say they are full of shit.

no – BOEHNER did not deliver the votes he promised. The Democrats delivered their numbers. The Democrats promised 140 votes.

BOEHNER PROMISED 80 to 90 – HE HAD 65!!!

John Boehner is a LIAR.

If you can’t get your own party on board, complaining that the opposition party didn’t vote your way is rather trite.

Link?

yeah and the fast solutions the dims supported included that mishmash called homeland insecurity, the iraq resolution. they idiots run around wringing their hands egged by these fools in the media who have something else to hype.

and pelosi? words fail me! i respect larry’s blog too much to say what i really think of her.

A proper bailout would require that any company that receives money from it fire the CEO, the CFO, and the entire board of directors.

You must be on drugs. Or have eaten too many Cheetos.

No retirement. No “golden parachute. FIRED for incompetence.

You’re about as smart with money as the idiot GOPers that just blew up the economy.

Since he took public financing, your donations go to waste.

Fortunately, you’re probably lying as much John McCain on his white horse to SAVE this bill. Nice save.

you don’t get a pass for the dims. pelosi is worse than any repub i can think of right now. she is supposed to look for us and that makes her just the worst insult to democrats i can think of including those long gone. she needs to be sent back home to stay.

Wildfires convert old growth forests into newer growth. Old growth coniferous forests have a thick canopy and little sunlight reaches the forest floor. With little sunlight hitting the forest floor, not many plants can survive there. Consequently there is little food for animals to eat, and relatively few animals live in such an environment. A fire breaks down the canopy and allows the sunlight through, and new growth of numerous plants that could not survive in the shade grow in the sunny environment. Those plants attract animals that feed on them. New growth starts emerging within a couple days after a fire.

The Democrats WERE on board.

Pelosi promised 140 votes. She GOT 140 votes.

Boehner promised 80 to 90 – he couldn’t even get 70, even though he SAID he had them.

I guess there’s a first time for everything.

90 Democrats said NO even after their messiah said to get it done this morning, so Obama did not deliver AGAIN!

Who, lark?

I agree. Someone should clue lark and “Major Garrett” in on the fact that the Senate hasn’t voted yet.

Which three? If they’re neocons, they’re full of shit.

So what is McCain’s stance?

I agree. I heard them whining about the bill earlier on CSPAN. (Yeah, I know riveting television). But anyway, most of the complaints came from the fact that there wasn’t another 300 billion “economic stimulus package”. Cause we all remember how effective the last one was.

HS Pelosi needs to stop playing political games and be damn leader. She was whining a crying about the fact that she would not push the original Paulson thing through without more republican support. And even when she got the damn support she still whinig and crying about how everything is their fault. As old as that woman is “GROW THE FUCK UP!!”

Yes this is true. He wanted to show bipartisan support and this was the only way to do it.

Just to drive home the Republican agenda:

John Podhoretz said he wants to make government so small he can drown it in a bathtub.

Are the swing state polls weighted like the presidential polls? Rasmussen has it 39% dem/ 33% rep.

What about the 95 dems who voted against it? 40%? including Jesse jackson Jr. – Obama’s man?

Man, we do need a leader who has legit solutions to our problems. Someone who has the balls to rein in those crooks, from both parties, the corporations and their thugs from Wall Street! Someone who would have a claming reassuring effect on Mainstreet! We know the answer, Senator Clinton, a nation turns its eyes to you!

Idiot, the deal didn’t need any GOP, the majority in the House are the Dem’s, and that isn’t just a reason to have a House leader, it is to put forth Bill’s Democrats want, and 90+ Democrats said NO today to the Bill, therefore Pe;osi should do the honorable thing and resign!

f*ck you little boy. you should have stayed home. no one hear finds any value of any kind in any thing you have to say. you are a disgrace to American education … if in fact you are American.

She doesn’t get a pass from me. Ms. “Impeachment’s off the table?” Are you kidding me? ALL of them need to be booted out of Congress. They’re ALL corrupt.

It was humming before the conservatives arrived and they are leading a minority parliament, which means the kudos and crap are somewhat distributed among the parties.

Maybe she shoud have saved her petty little insults for after the vote? Just a thought asshat ….

Lee, Not buying it! The greed from Wall Street and their corporate international interests and the influence they purchase in Congress, both parties is thr root of all of this evil. Mainstream America is tired of this sellout of our country’s interests. To hell with Wall street, let Rome burn! A new, better city in its place. This scam has to be brought to an end! “Lets start now!”

Okay does anyone remember during President Clintons speech during the convention when he was talking about “experience”? How he stated that (in regards to Obama) that they will say he does not have enough experience to lead etc…I am trying to get that clip… I think its amazing because listening to him the first name came to mind was Palin. He never said OBAMA’s name. I just find it amazing that everyone clapped and yelled during that part bet they wish they could of waited…anyway… I hope the Republicans use it in a ad…hint HINT. Or a clip of all those Democratic surrogates that ran to the closest microphone during the primaries that stated ALL the time how experience was not important, yada yada ya…

That would make a wonderful post. All of those dems saying it wasnt important then but its important now

Sorry that you don’t recognize a “non-literal” phrase. You must have skipped that chapter.

The Wall-Street shitbags should be indicted, arrested, tried, convicted, and put to work making pea gravel out of boulders. If the bill did that, I’d be all for it. But it can’t, so I’m not.

I have no doubt there is blame to go around, but it wasn’t republicans who put pressure on banks to give zero down mortgages to low income people who couldn’t afford them, and let’s be honest – especially black low income people. That’s where this started and fannie and freddie became the primary vehicles for what was a stealth strategy to subsidize home ownership for the poor. Watch the video when it goes back up.

We need to get Hillary back on the ticket somehow! Geez! She is, by far, the most qualified of all the candidates to get us out of this mess. Help us, Hillary, help us?!?!?!

Visit Sugar’s site for an interesting 2004 Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac hearing video wherein the Republicans are calling for greater regulations and oversight and the Democrats are saying everything is fine, the hearing is a witchhunt against the magnificent Franklin Raines, and that the regulators who are calling out the two FMs cannot be trusted.

I’m so use to this. I was a 7 year member of DU until they went nuts for BO. I left there and never looked back. The same seems to be happening here. The Hillary supporters are now repeating RW talking points against the Democrats after the REPUBLICANS have been in total control of Congress throughout most of the Idiot-In-Chief’s 2 terms??? HUH? I will NEVER defend the Republicans for what they have done. They created this mess. Now they get to own, IMCPO. While I plan to vote AGAINST BO, that is NOT to say I support Republicans or any of their stinkin’ policies.

$100 million going to non-profit groups like ACORN, who are a part of the mess, is why I told all my Dem legislators if they voted for it, I would actively work against them aside from losing my vote!

I’m glad it didn’t pass. McCain was a success! He at least got them to stop the fly-by-night passing of the first ridiculous bill and force real negotiations. And this was after, Reid publicly stated that they needed McCain! He didn’t say that they needed Obama. Must of been cause they didn’t want the fact that he got the 2nd most lobbying money from Fannie, Freddie et al, in only 4 years and/or just thought he couldn’t get the job done!

Obama just did what he usually does, blew it off. That is until Pres. Bush forced him to come to Washington to participate in doing his job.

The fact of the matter is that Dems are as much to blame, if not more than Republicans, for these subprime loans screwing things up. They are at least equally at fault.

We’re not all stupid, many of us watched it all on C-Span and got it straight. The Republicans who voted against the President, the Treasury Secretary, and Nancy Pelosi and Barney Fife, voted the way their constituents wanted them to vote! The constituents are watching! The same reason Hillary kicked ass in the primaries no matter what ads BO ran, no matter how much money he spent. On a side note, I can tell you with at least 99.9% certainty that the people in PA will NOT be voting for BO or any of his minions. Ask Jason Altmire what sort of phone calls and e-mails he’s been receiving? Obviously the $18,000 he received from BO wasn’t enough to make him vote for the bill. (Only enough to make him endorse BO).

Boehner promised 60-70 and delivered!

I’ve just discovered that the video that is so important that was supposedly removed from youtube is still viewable on another site. Sorry to say that site is rushlimbaugh.com right at the top of the home page. Is this video still up on youtube? Either way if you haven’t seen it you must and you must spread it around. It is congressional hearings on fannie and freddie in 2004 and 2005. This is THE ONE video Obama does not want you to see.

Peter-

Go call each and every dem who said no. Because had they all said yes the bill would have passed and saved the day. Speak especially at length with Jesse Jackson Jr., Obama’s very close friend and often spokesperson. Find out why they killed this bill.

go register in Wisconsin and vote for McCain twice or 3x…etc. I’m sure ACORN will give you all the help you need.

And if they’re oblockhead supporters, they’re full of it because they eat it as well as spew it.

Liar! Obamabot liar. Go back to your failing obamacrat party and leave the Dems in exhile alone.

Good golly . . . this keeps getting worse and worse. We didn’t move forward with the best candidate for President (Hillary Clinton) and now we are all screwed! Seriously. So, Howard Dean, if you are listening . . . you cheated/frauded the wrong candidate into the nomination and now we will all pay dearly. I hope you can sleep at night. Besides, the truth will come out in the Berg lawsuit that Obama is not even a natural born citizen and does not qualify for the office of POTUS.

A vote for anyone other than McCain is a vote for Obama. That is simply a fact and a function of the pure numbers game.

You should be outraged that our Congress is trying to feed us a crap sandwich and trying to use fear to get it passed.

Yeah, even the obamalobotobots don’t like crap sandwiches but only because or their dislike for bread.

agree ….

Fannie and Freddie are just a part of this puzzle. They are not the entire problem…though I agree they are a part of it. Republicans EMBRACED deregulation. Why would they want ONLY Fannie and Freddie regulated and not Wall Street, the Pharmaceuticals, the airline industry, the telephone industry or Insurance companies? There IS a method to their madness. Fannie and Freddie help low income people and we know how much Republicans love poor people. *rolling eyes*

Never mind about McCains stance. You only want to know so we can put it out there for Obama to swipe as his own plan. Screw it! Not going to tell the secrets here. You are on your own. Obama needs to come up with his own plan for once instead of stealing other peoples even though he has no stance on anything ever! He just pretends by borrowing other peoples stances..what a empty headed loser Obama is!

What would Ronald Reagan Do?

Before McCain got there only 4 Republicans were going to vote. Again, Boehner said 60-70. This was the Dems Bill to pass.

Where’s that petition to get Hillary in as speaker of the house. What we currently have is NOT WORKING OUT!

Oh, it’s a SECRET plan.

John McCain has a secret plan to fix the economy he spent 26 years helping break.

That’s just perfect.

ypur mantra is getting old like,your shakings in your videos

Half million dollar shacks homes too huh? If there is time to escape we will. If Obama steals this we will be leaving in droves.

they got that 100+ page proposal 8AM this morning. You can’t just skim and vote for something that big without knowing the proposal inside and out. Pelosi is a certified LOSER! Sweetie needs to step down.

Of course there are honest Democrats! Just like there are honest Republicans. Unfortunately, we only hear about the “bad” ones because that makes better press. I worked both on Capital Hill and ran campaigns and I can tell you most assuredly, there is more good than bad—on both sides!

Let us explain this to you bunky.

She brought this to a vote and should have known ahead of time whether it had the necessary votes. Apparently she either had them and lost them in her display of rookie politician or didn’t have them and just decided to further allienate the people she needs to make this work. Do remember that as “speaker,” she is the “leader.” Oh. And her own party members should have bailed her little ass out when they saw it going down.

From Democracy Now – Interview with Kucinich

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/29/is_this_the_united_states_congress

AMY GOODMAN: Congressman Kucinich, can you explain how it is that the Democrats are in charge, yet the Democrats back down on their demand to give bankruptcy judges authority to alter the terms of mortgages for homeowners facing foreclosure, that Democrats also failed in their attempt to steer a portion of any government profits from the package to affordable housing programs?

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, I mean, those are two of the most glaring deficiencies in this bill. And I would maintain there was never any intention to—you know, well, many members of Congress had the intention of helping people who were in foreclosure. You know, this—Wall Street doesn’t want to do that. Wall Street wants to grab whatever change they can and equity that’s left in these properties. So—

AMY GOODMAN: Right, but the Democrats are in charge of this.

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Right. You know, I’ll tell you something that we were told in our caucus. We were told that our presidential candidate, when the negotiations started at the White House, said that he didn’t want this in this bill. Now, that’s what we were told.

AMY GOODMAN: You were told that Barack Obama did not want this in the bill?

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: That he didn’t want the bankruptcy provisions in the bill. Now, you know, that’s what we were told. And I don’t understand why he would say that, if he did say that. And I think that there is a—the fact that we didn’t put bankruptcy provisions in, that actually we removed any hope for judges to do any loan modifications or any forbearance. There’s no moratorium on mortgage foreclosures in here. So, who’s getting—who’s really getting helped by this bill? This is a bailout, pure and simple, of Wall Street interests who have been involved in speculation.

And I don’t, for the life of me, understand why this is going to do anything to address the underlying problems in the economy, which actually had to do with the recklessness. This is what the president of the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas said, that—and, you know, I might have the actual quote here. Listen to this quote: he said, “The seizures and convulsions we’ve experienced in the debt and equity markets have been the consequences of a sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior, not a too tight monetary policy.” This is the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank president, Richard Fisher.

So, you know, we’re getting stampeded here to vote for something that doesn’t help homeowners, that doesn’t do anything about foreclosures, that doesn’t help those people who have been in bankruptcy and are looking for a way out. As a matter of fact, it made sure they can’t get out. So, who’s this for? It’s for speculators. It’s to play a game that provides some temporary help in the market, and, you know, you might see an uptick today if this passes the House. On the other hand, if it doesn’t, we need to be ready to find a way for Wall Street to address its problems without having to tap the increasingly diminishing resources of the federal taxpayers.

There is a global bank inplosion going on right now in every country including Russia..Whew!Dominoes anyone?
Lying catches up with you sooner or later. Selling off bad bank notes within stacks of good ones to foreign investors is sleezy and has come back to bite them. KARMA

for a snickers bar

I saw Sheila Jackson Lee on Fox and she was amazingly articulate about why she voted against it.

Wow..stunning!
We need to bombard the media with it and link where ever we can.

Why would they talk to us? We’re just the peons they pay lip service to and pay their salaries. They don’t give a crap what we think. If they DID, we wouldn’t be in Iraq, FISA wouldn’t exist and the Patriot Act would have gone down in flames, and Scalito and Roberts would have never been confirmed. Honestly. Do you REALLY believe the politicians care about our opinions? Really?

blame this on the DEMOCRATS. I’m sick of it. They took control of Congress in 2006!

Funny. The mortagge crisis has been growing since 2006! Hmmmm. No coincidence huh? ya sure.
The do nothing oabamacrat senate is inadequate and is to blame for being on vacation all the time because “they do not know what to do” as harry reid said.

at the end of the day, 40% of the Dems say no, and that is a fact. Go bug them instead.

Nihlism! Boo!

If the German papers are discussing McCains position obviously its not a secret, unless they know something across the Atlantic we don’t. Do your damn research.

My bet is that this whole thing is staged so Obama can swoop in and “rally the dems behind him” and get them to vote for the bail-out, thus revealing his true “leadership.” It’s all carefully crafted.

Apparently 3 years versus 26 years doesn’t mean anything … stupid trolls. Politics are for adults.

he says “nance, how many earmarks did you get for my business this week and how fast can I get it. I’ll split it with ya!”

Urgent Response Requested, Please…

How did Senator Barry Soetero vote?

Please do tell!!

Thank you.

Your cut- Your dollar is now worth 80 cents and your house is worth 40% less than you paid for it.

Only MORONS are still backing SLOWBAMA. ya know? Birds of a feather flock together?

Too much Botox paralyzes the brain.

The senate didn’t vote today but he has been accused of voting present because he won’t take a firm stand either way.

hahhaaahahahaa roflm puma ao!

It’s not about feelings. They were voting on a very risky bill, she inspired no leadership or trust with her game playing. Those voting were already apprehensive, she needed to be a voice of reason, not an advocate for further divisiveness.
What was her motivation in doing this?
She added further panick to a difficult situation, why?
If you were voting and you were nervous about the bill would you want someone in your face blaming you before you even cast your vote?
It just doesn’t make sense.

Can Bush and McCain get their party on board?

I get the video’s message, but it’d be nice to be able to discern WHAT words he is singing. Nice tune.

Can anyone give me a link? This guy doesn’t open his mouth…I understand the drowning metaphor..but, still. The lyrics?

No! No! No! you are so wrong. Learn about economics and history before you post. How many times do government controlled economies have to fail before people stop believing that their the answer?

No! No! No! you are so wrong. Learn about economics and history before you post. How many times do government controlled economies have to fail before people stop believing that they are the answer?

Talk about not knowing what one is talking about, you take the oscar for it big time!

The Dems can pass any Bill themesleves they have a simple thing called a majority dummy!

Many of the GOP changed their minds after Pelosi gave her speech today politicizing the situation and casting blame on the GOP fool!

McCain made it clear yesterday that he won’t comment on the Bill until seeing it in writing, and Pelosi tried to ram it down peoples throats without giving due consideration for the text of the Bill, only a fool signs on the line without reading what they are signing, so you are a fool there too!

Simple answer to you is troll away Alinsky player!

I think it is a staged event by Pelosi to get more funds for Nobama’s campaign because he’s broke. How much has he spent already? Nearly 1 billion on campaign? 1/4 of it is for his own pocket..

He made sure the House Republicans (who were the voice of the majority of the people) had a seat at the table to hammer out a deal.

Now tell me one thing Obama did besides talk on the phone all day for two whole weeks. Instead tell him to do his damn job.

Obama is corrupt. So is his wife. They’re not fit to hold public office.

Obama is corrupt. He’s not fit to hold public office.

I AM THE LORD THY GOD

There was nothing worthy in that bill except a bunch of regurgitated lending speak. Nothing in there had any meaning beyond what already is law! They just wanted the 700 billion for a new secretary to oversee..someone they picked..right!

Here you have, our supposed people’s representatives trying to shove this horrible bill down our throats, the sky is falling! It is a big rip-off of the working people of this country. No Congressional hearings? Say what? That’s right, no debate, no professional testimony regarding the merits of such a bail-out! Like I said, MSM trying to ramrod this mess down our throats, SHAME on both parties! Just a bunch of crooks. I hope we continue with the calling to our Congressional reps, stop this rip-off, we want a fair and balanced debate, a real discussion, we need to stop this madness!

Sounds like she is a PUMA in cognito

Yes. They’ll support the bill – but only after they’re re-elected in November. And in the meantime the world economy can go to the dogs.

She is 71.

Hi nycdave, thanks for trolling by.

Trollfund is maxed at $2300 for McCain, so $5 to NQFund, NQFund is at $25.

Thanks NQ, I really enjoy the blog.

Stephen, I agree! A third party vote in a close election will only gurantee an Obama win.

Let Hillary solve it and everyone else step down.
Get Hillary to write the plan.

THANKS — I was wondering how Inslee voted. Good for him.

You stupid fool, McCain 20 yrs in office, Obama-Soetoro, 146 days???SAY WHAT< yeah, right, that average like 369 missed votes, McCain 405. You idiot, lazy Soetoro in 146 days, missed over 300 votes! FOOL!

The current situation originated inside Congress and the very same perpetrators are poised to fix it.

I have been saying this all along. I agree wholeheartedly with your post.

Let me add that it was a plan all along to beef up the empty suits campaign and make the pubs looks bad by blaming them for a faied economy. How much did each of the 4 (Pelosi, Dodd, Reid, Franks) get for their own pocket?)

I concur, something is seriously wrong and greed is at the heart of it.

Palin and Mac are the ones to reign in the crooks. Hill is good for masterminding and solving problems. If Hill could reign in the crooks it would have already been done.

The best lies are always the simplest said.

Exactly how was it that a democratic minority blocked republican regulation efforts during all the years that the republicans dominated Congress?

And what about the financial deregulation bills that were voted in with overwhelming republican support, against strong democratic opposition? Those bills tossed out important financial safeguards that had been in place since the days of FDR.

I like that other simply said republican lie, too: Obama is just like George W. Bush.

Also good are the assertions that McCain represents Change, and that McCain is the enemy of lobbyists.

From a policy and voting record standpoint, McCain might as well be George W. Bush; In 26 years, McCain hasn’t changed anything in Washington; and McCain has more lobbyists directly involved in his campaign than all of the other presidential primary candidates combined.

They want no part of Hill. They are thugs. They bullied her. How can she help?

Huh?

Right. Throw the vote out the window so that Barky wins?
NAW. Your urging has fallen on deaf ears. We do not want Barky.

What? Google it yourself. He’s a chithead. Who cares? Google it and find out all your political answers for yourself and see if the senate voted or not. You are a political retard because you still support Barky, so uh um educate yourself and use google! PS Where is his authentic birth certificate?
Why hasn’t he answered the lawsuit about not being a citizen and being constitutionally ineligible to vote? google it.

whew. I found it. No surprizes by Radiohead

I don’t understand why these mortage problem hasn’t gotten out of the system yet. There must be alot of people who got those mortgages.

correction* constitutionally ineligible to run for POTUS AND to vote.

The dems were the originators of Operation Chaos before Rush.

That’s not true. Operation Chaos was part of Barky’s campaign plan long before the primaries. They taught it in Barky’s boot camp in the summer of 2007. Check your facts before you post them.

McCain needs to get his act together. This is the only way Barack can win is on the economy.

A 1.1 trillion dollar loss on wall street meltdown.
Pelosi could have had the votes she needed to pass the bill. Heck, even the committee chairs voted no!
This seems to be an engineered failure in order to re-introduce the “christmas tree” bailout bill. In the meantime, how many ordinary americans (the main-street middle-class) have suffered economic loss they may never recover from. Shameful! Pelosi is a consciousless criminal! Remember: a vote for any democrat is a vote for her. She is their leader.

I’ll bet Nancy Pelosi feels stupid tonight. Isn’t her husband an investment banker? She was worth millions. She tried to turn this into a political thing to help the democrats. What a dummy.

And McCain’s stand is?

Er, McCain spoke out against the bailout. TWICE.

The rich are mad. LOL at the republicans for standing up for main street all for once all these years.

I think Barack and McCain wanted the bill. I think the principaled thing would have been to vote no. Maybe these banks should fall if they can’t run their business better. This is America if you can’t make it you go belly up. If McDonalds can’t get a loan LOL they go to another bank.

I’d be wondering why any of the Dems voted against it. They’re the bloody majority, this is obviously an incredibly vital, serious issue, so why’re they playing politics with it?

Are they supposed to care about the people? Oh yeah, we’re the bitter, clingy sort they despise.

Maybe I should run for office. It’s the only job in the world where you don’t go to work and still get paid, and 6 months of vacation LOL.

I agree. There were 95 democrats who voted against the bill. Only a handful more were needed for this to pass.

That said, do we really want this to pass? I just heard another set of dire warnings by some democrat telling us how this is good for us. He’s trying to rename it and say it is not a bailout. I forgot what word he used.

I’m sorry. If it walks like a bailout and talks like a bailout, it is a bailout.

I have good credit. Every week get at least 1 dozen pieces of mail offering me more. In fact, I just got one more today. I have several lines of credit. Every week they all send me “checks” that I can use against the account and they encourage me to do so.

That last time I added up all of the max limits on my cards, I think if I wanted to max out all of my accounts at once, I could get something close to 200,000 worth of credit, which is way more than I could ever afford to pay back on my monthly paycheck.

Fortunately, all balances are zero. The only one I use is my Amex which requires that I pay it off every month.

This is nuts. How many more are there out there like me and do they have the discipline to not max out? Obviously not.

If it walks like a bailout and talks like a bailout, it is a bailout.

Between the huge max limits on my credit cards and the new offers for credit I get in the mail and opportunities to transfer high balances in those offers, I could max out my cards, then use the incoming offers to pay them off. Then my old cards would send me more checks with which I could pay off my new cards. If someone wanted to game the system, they could probably live off transfering credit balanaces for years if they wanted to and never pay a dime out of pocket.

Then along comes the bailout and voila! They get it all for free!

If it walks like a bailout and talks like a bailout, it is a bailout.

And after waking up from my nap and hearing that same Representative tell me this is my fault because McDonalds can’t get a loan to buy coffee, the question just popped into my head:

???? Why does McDonalds need a loan to purchase goods needed for its cost of business? Um..don’t corporations put together a budgets an set aside money from their profits in a bank to cover the projected budget anymore? Or do they not budget and live on credit too?

If it walks like a bailout and talks like a bailout, it is a bailout.

Bend over Middle Class. After the Democrats play with the drama of Obama saving the day when there were plenty of democrats who voted it down the first time, you are going to get screwed by the Corporations and you are going to get screwed by your defaulting neighbor who has a nicer home by having to pay off their debt, too.

Oh, and Donkey Brazier, said she understood how people feel because she is in the same boat, but if she doesn’t do the bailout her property values will go down because of her neighbor’s F_ck up. Well, isn’t that special?

Hey, I’ll be glad to bail my neighbor out as long as they sign the property over to me. It’s very easy and fast. It’s called a Quit Claim and it only costs a few dollars to go to your county and sign it over.

If it walks like a bailout and talks like a bailout, it is a bailout.

This is a bailout, it is socialism, it is corpoate welfare and don’t anybody try to tell me it isn’t.

Let me change into my street walker’s attire. I might as well look the part if I am going to get F_cked, on the irony is, instead of being paid for my services I am just getting screwed and paying them for doing it to me!!!

If the bailout passes, then those footing the bill will wind up being whores who give it away for free.

I agree, The swing states never flip until the end. Maybe John McCain has some plan we don’t know about I think he needs to shore up those pink states. But I don’t think even the economy can turn some of these red states, they’ve been red since before I was born. It’s going to be close.

And the 95 Democrats who voted against it have no culpablity????

Nancy Pelosi locked House Republicans out of meetings. The Dems put togehter what they wanted and expected the Republicans to bless it with no input.

The Democrats are playing politics with our economy.

After 40 years of voting straight Democrat in all but a few elections, my ballot is going to be ALL RED in 2008.

That’s not too bad, where are the undecided and the indy’s. The dem advantage is only 6 points.

Truer words have never been spoken (can’t remember who to credit for this).

And I’d like to have the deeds for some of these houses, since like fools, we’ve faithfully paid our bills every month and none of that lovely tax payer money will be coming OUR way!

Thanks! Go Sheila!!!

True, but Obama can’t say he brought his party through either. In fact McCain got more republicans to support it. Aren’t the dems in charge.

This is just BS effing spin. The democrats have a majority. If they can’t convince members of their own party to vote with them to defeat the Republicans it is just as much their fault.

And Pelosi delivered partisan tirade before the vote. She should have just shut her pie hole.

And why is the Democratic leadership so hot to trot to support Bush’s BS?

Why aren’t the Republicans behind Bush?

You gotta wonder….

I recall seeing a “Democrats for Huckabee” spokesman during the Michigan primary. They knew their votes wouldn’t count in the Dem primary so they were voting in the Republican primary in order to fluff up support for Huckabee, because they believed he would be the weakest Republican candidate.

This was on the Fox news morning show.

Amy Goodman was surprised that Barky was against helping “the people?” How naive all these so-called “progressives” are!

Flineo is a genius.

Can’t Barky get his party on board? They’re actually, well uh, the MAJORITY!

They always come here and expect the girls to do their heavy lifting.

And Barky had a phone. Yippee. After poking his face in the cameras and declaring this the brink of a Depression. Then skips off to keep “practicing” to debate after saying “Call me.” Wow, real leadership there…not.

95 Democrats voting against the financial bill today…that’s a nice bit of community organizing today Barry.

Barack Obama…unqualified to do anything!

So awhile back here it was posted that there would be 5 tapes released each of the 5 weeks leading up to the election. Since this is now 5 weeks before the election and there has been no tape it is safe to assume that McCain’s camp has just decided to lose?

This news is not good for him. His own blog today is full of venom from his supporters very upset with him and with him sequestering Palin.

There will be no October surprise- but there was a September one and it means Obama will be our next President.

God help us.

Constituents and voters are the same thing.

If a constituent cares enough to call their congressman, the likelihood is great that they will vote.

I do agree that Pelosi gave the Republicans cover to vote Nay. And I think the bill going down is a good thing.

Hopefully they’ll come up with something that offers less corporate welfare and a digestible plan to assist distressed homeowners in refinancing their loans.

Please Barack has only been in the Senate for 143 days. JM has been there for 26 years.

And what about the financial deregulation bills that were voted in with overwhelming republican support, against strong democratic opposition? Those bills tossed out important financial safeguards that had been in place since the days of FDR.

You’ll need to be a little more specific on that one.

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley bill passed with bipartisan support in 1999, and was signed into law by President Clinton.

Which bill are you referencing?

Hillary is a Senator. She can’t be Speaker of the House.

And what’s scarier is that Pelosi is #3 if something happens to the Pres. and V.P. Actually has me praying that Bush and Cheney remain really well right now.

I didn’t know she is 71. Why don’t people complain about her age. She is in line to be president.

He may be confusing the OFHEO hearing link with the Burning down the house video that was pulled because of copyright infringement.

If you go to C-span and do a search of OFHEO hearing, you most likely will find it.

The republicans could save McCain by acting like they are the robin hoods of mainstreet and turn it around on the dems.

When you think about it why would the government have to pay 700 billion dollars for these banks, they’ve already gone belly up.

And their housing markets are right behind, too. When this first started, did some quick research and was actually relieved to know that what’s been happening here has been happening world wide.

Know that’s rather convoluted, just needed reassurance that we (the US of A) wouldn’t be vulnerable to being “bought.”

lol@buzz killer

Dave, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, neither does Obama, McCain has always been a fiscal conservative. He was caught off guard by this. It’s a no wind situation. Yes a president has to deal with it, but he hires someone like Romney-even Huckabee has good plans on the economy.

This election is too important to throw away on Barr. John McCain will carry my county anyway, but I’m not going to throw away my vote.

Palin is being savaged in the press. I don’t think her answers are that bad, she just came on the scene.

This is corruption and greed by both parties. While I agree that it’s been engineered by mostly Republicans (in name), the major players have been from both sides of the aisle, as well as the occasional third party people.

Reagan loved deregulation, but he had a Democratic Congress his entire 8 years, as did Shrub the First. So, where was the opposition? None of his budgets should ever have passed, if he’d really had true opposition.

This is why I’ve always tried to remain rather independent in my thinking, since that’s really what critical thinking is all about. I question the authority of those who I have voted the privelege of serving me. These people are my civil servants, not my bloody nobles, lords, or kings.

You mean Pockyston where the Tollybon live.

Obama just came on the scene too but he gets a free pass. It’s disgusting.

Nancy is too arrogant and stupid to realize she is stupid. I bet she believes she’s not done anything wrong.

Thanks!!!! shhhhhhh…….

Yup. disagree that it’s John McCain’s fault, but we were planning to sell a house that is our retirement investment. Now it’s worth exactly nothing. There are so many foreclosures in our “LUXURY” community that real estate will be worthless for years.

Nancy Pelosi should be removed from office for her little tirade.

Black is white and fiction is fact at N.Q. 71% of the no votes came from Republicans. Who is the leader of the Republican party? Barack Obama? No, not he. That would be the sitting president George W. Bush. Who is the man who is Running to lead the Republican party? Barack Obama? No, that would be John McCain. Who did the heavy lifting for the bill in the house? That would be Barny Frank, the man who runs the relevant committee in the House.

Fact before this vote went all weepy both McCain and Obama gave verbal support to it.

Fact neither McCain nor Obama sit on the relevant committees that have oversight on this bill.

Fact 60% of the Democrats voted for the bill while 67% of the Republicans did not.

Fact as the Democratic candidate for President Obama carries no water with Republicans in general and none with House Republicans in particular.

Fact McCain was boasting on Sunday on how his leadership saved the day.

Fact McCain spent almost no time on the floor of Congress in legislative maneuvers.

Fact McCain was unable to deliver any sizable amount of Republicans to the yes column.

Fact House Republican intransigence on a capitol gains tax cut and cutting regulations scuppered the bill. The tax cut idea was a poison pill to Democrats as was the insistence on even more deregulation.

Fact the Republican House rebellion started just about when McCain showed up in D.C. McCain’s appearance failed to clam the partisanship.

Fact McCain somehow managed to piss off Harry Reid, the most Milquetoast, compromising, deferential, and spineless excuse for a majority leader in the Senate ever. You have fucked up royally when Harry Reid goes medieval on your ass.

McCain screwed the pooch on the bail out. He charged in and big-footed his way into the discussion with a zero preparation and even less understanding of what was on the table. He did not even bother to read the three-paged proposal of Paulson, never mind the hundred-paged document that Barny Frank produced. No he came in with his own proposal that even he could not rightly explain to his fellow Republicans. What he did was the exact opposite of statesmanship.

Oh and Larry where is the Whitey Tape? October is only two days away.

ROTFLMAO!!! Call him if you need him. He has a cel phone too!!!

ROTFLMAO!!! Call him if you need him. He has a cell phone too!!!

Great video Flineo…

Excuse you, Maverick. You know not to whom you speak.

I guess you are new to the site.

It’s all good.

Look Folks, there are more than 400 economists no fewer than 4 nobel laureats opposed this bill.

Clearly something needs to be done, but it needs to be a pure and transparent bill. Clear oversight that complies with constitutional law and no ACORN crap.

Pelosi needs to shut her Pie Hole and Dodd and Frank, and Maxine Waters to name a few need to be taken out of mix. I think it offends the sensibility of those of us who will pay to stabalize the worlds monitary system that these criminals people responsible for overseeing the organizations at the center of this debacle.

Now it is time to put together a reasoned and sane package that we the people can get behind.

Someone needs to explian to the people how the money system works are we are in for a hard ride.

Thank you, Shiloh.

I was out of the loop all day today.

No Ohblowme has been on this scene for 4 years and is up to his ass in money from corrupt organisations.

Are you really saying that Jesse Jackson Jr. voted against this?

That’s strange.

And to me indicates that 0bama didn’t want it to pass. Unless their relationship has changed somehow. Or his constituents put the squeeze on him, big time.

I wonder……..

what else is going on?

One trillion dollars went up in smoke. Anyone keeping a runnin total for the week? I am up to 5 trillion. Anyone?

People were blaming each other like chitlen. I am buying seed stock.

Fact You are delusional. for you, apples are oranges. looks perfectly normal to you, and you dont even know that you are delusional. thats the sad bit.

Well, I sure am glad the bill didn’t pass if it was a Dennis Kucinich reported. He said that he would vote Hell No, and I guess he did.

For Pelosi to lock all the Repubs out of the closed door meetings, I don’t blame them for voting against it. She needs to go!

I haven’t heard a thing about this on MSM. Has anyone heard the details reported by Kuscinich talked about on network tv today?

Okay James, once again. Your dems had enough votes to pass the bill. Obama wants the bill too, but couldn’t get it passed. What a great president he will be.

Uh, dude, the Dems currently have a SOLID MAJORITY in the House. IF the Dems REALLY wanted this bill, all they had to do to pass it was to vote unanimously as Democrats. They didn’t need a single Republican to pass the bill.
I’m not a Republican and I am most certainly not a fan of the GOP’s shenanigans over the past decade when they held control over both Houses of Congress, but, in this case, the GOP are completely without any guilt in the bill’s failure to pass.
By the numbers, there are 235 Democrats in the House, compared to 199 Republicans with 1 vacancy (only 435 members in the House). IF the Dems had voted as a bloc, the bill would have passed. Why is it that the media (and Obama apologists) expect the GOP to make up the vote deficit while absolving Pelosi and her leadership of their FAILURE to get ALL the Dems to support the bill? If Pelosi and her people had managed to round up ALL THE DEMS in the first place, the GOP vote wouldn’t have mattered at all. Could it be that the Dems are playing the same type of politics which Gingrich did that led to a brief shutdown of the Gov’t back in the 1990s and allowed the Dems to regain some of the seats they’d lost? If so, Pelosi’s playing a very dangerous game here. The Gingrich ploy was done nearly a year before the election which cost the GOP some of their seats (although not enough to lose control of either House), not WEEKS before a very crucial election. The GOP was able to get other matters in play to help offset the shutdown failure.
In my opinion, this isn’t much different from the way the Senate Democrats (during their complete minority role) failed to show much resolve to block legislation they opposed by voting solidly against the GOP majority. (As the Senate REQUIRES 60 votes to avoid any filibustering, and the GOP NEVER had that supermajority, the Dems were frequently let off the hook–by the media, but not the REAL progressives who hated the “media-controlled” politicians–whenever a vote to end debate went by without any real opposition. The REAL progressives constantly complained about the Party’s failure to use the minority’s only option–to not allow cloture–to prevent a vote that would inevitably give Bush everything he wanted.)

Maybe Obama would be good for these people, then they could blame him when they don’t get anything,but a high tax bill.

LOL!!!!!

Peter, you really need to change your meds and quickly.
Take a breath and look at REALITY.
The House has 435 members. There are 235 Dems, 199 GOPs and 1 vacant seat. To pass a bill (other than a Presidential veto), the bill needs a SIMPLE MAJORITY–in this case, 218 votes. Now a simple math class can prove that 235 is a LARGER number than 218. The Dems HAVE 235 members in the House. They don’t need ANY GOP support to get a bill passed.
The fact that Pelosi could only get 140 of HER PARTY’S majority to support the bill indicates that something went awry with the Democrats. The fact that the media and other Obama supporters are blaming the GOP for the bill’s failure shows a definite lack of reality is in evidence in Washington. (If Pelosi had ALL her Dems on board the bill would have passed by 300-133. The numbers do suggest that SOMEONE didn’t vote since there’s only 1 vacant House seat.)

From powerline:

As of yesterday, the Democrats’ House whip, Jim Clyburn said that he hadn’t even begun “whipping” Democratic representatives, and wouldn’t do so unless and until he got orders from Nancy Pelosi. Today, Democratic Congressman Peter DeFazio told NPR that he never was “whipped” on the bill. So Pelosi evidently left Democrats to vote their consciences–which is to say, vote against the bill if they thought it was politically necessary–while counting on Republicans to put the bill over the top.

And what is Biden’s plan to help fix the economy he’s spent 35 years “helping break”?

I gotta believe that. And the key for me was just learning that Jesse Jackson Jr. voted Nay.

0bama and his gang thinks we’re idiots.

Pelosi gets up and pretty much tells Bush and the Republicans to fuck off… In public no less. Can’t believe she expected these people to take such a partisan ‘dressing down.’ Even though I agreed with her I was like WTF? These people are up for re-election. Fuck 0bama and McCain, it’s every man for themselves.

Plus, a lot of voters are calling their reps complaining like hell about this Bill. Remember, it’s the vocal voters that elected officials listen to. If you want them to vote for this, you better call and be counted. If you don’t call, you can’t complain.

But let’s face it, the economic chaos benefits 0bama. I still say Soros has manipulated the market somehow. It was predicted months ago that if in September the economy was the issue, it would benefit 0bama.

Well, here it is.

Terrorism? The Iraq War? On a back burner. And that was McCain’s strong suit.

I don’t think the average voter is going to be on top of what is really going on here.

This benefits 0bama.

Unfortunately.

What did she say?

VMorris,

I gotta think that they want this chaos because it benefits 0bama.

It’s a dog and pony show all around. And more of 0bama and the people pulling his strings fooling around behind the scenes with the economy.

You know, people always rave about how FDR saved the country after the Great Depression. And I certainly don’t disagree. But we often fail to recognize that Americans were on the ropes when FDR was elected and as a result, he had a lot of leeway act on his vision.

Maybe somebody is trying to recreate this situation on some level. We all agree that 0bama stands for some pretty radical ideas. Would these ideas be more acceptable if Americans were suffering or on the verge of it and scared shitless, wouldn’t it be easier to accept radical change?

Pelosi’s partisan’s attack resurrected exactly the climate the Dems want at this point 35 days before the Election: one where Bush and his administration’s failed policy are once again front and center making voters so fed up they’d vote for the devil next month simply because he has a ‘D’ in his name.

I’m listening to Charlie Rose and Al Hunt is talking about maybe not fixing this thing until January. If that’s what happens, sorry but I can’t see where people will vote for McCain. Those angry Democrats teetering on the fence, nervous about voting Republican, those ‘undecideds’ will flip for 0bama or do as Donna Brazile ordered: Stay home.

The American people are being played.

It’s no deeper than that.

A great summary:

An ACORN Falls from the Tree
A congressional outrage. [excerpts below]

By Ken Blackwell
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2Y5MTc0ZTAyMmE1Mjk3NGE3OWRiY2FkMjZlN2YxYzc=&w=MQ==

But here, the Democrats are squarely to blame. They have resisted all attempts at reforming Fannie and Freddie, and pushed those organizations to become ever more reckless in their policies. This made the investments on Wall Street carrying those tainted mortgages go from bad to worse, and now we’re in a crisis and on the verge of a meltdown.

This is inexcusable. And if independent voters figure this out, their outrage over this situation will suddenly be directed against the party that pushed these disastrous policies. So Democrats want ACORN to get as much funding as possible, because they might need some new votes in their column on Election Day.

ACORN is a discredited organization, and far too many of its leaders and workers have been prosecuted for felonies against democracy. The idea that a single dime of taxpayer money would ever go to such a group is an outrage. And Mr. Obama needs to explain his involvement with them.

I thought Jesse Jackson Jr., has a position on the campaign, beside being a friend.

If his ‘no’ vote doesn’t tell people something, then we are really living among the brain dead.

Wake up!

They’re nutjobs married to the romance of ‘revolution.’ Amy’s lost in a 60′s time warp. She’s still brokenhearted over Allende.

Please!

When you see 0bama’s arrogance, his upturned nose, this is what it’s about. He thinks Americans are stupid.

And sadly, we prove him right everyday. At least some of us, anyway.

The giveaway for all of you Botheads willfully stubborn in your ignorance:

JESSE JACKSON JR. VOTED NO!

And he’s not only an 0bama friend, but has a role on the campaign.

Wake up and see the bullshit!

And Barky has a bracelet, too!

You couldn’t be more wrong! McCain did one of his premature ejaculations by taking credit for passage before the vote was done!

Voters should know who are the guys who changed their vote because Pelosi said mean things about their party. But no ones naming names. I suppose there is some satisfaction and little surprise in knowing that Pelosi can turn Republicans into geldings with spoken words alone.

The Secret Boener 12, castrated on the floor of the US Congress by a few words from Nancy Pelosi — will they form a glee club? (No, cuz that would out them.)

Ha Ha that’s funny since the Senate hasn’t voted yet. Maybe it’s a slip since OB voted present so many times before.