By Larry JohnsoncloseAuthor: Larry JohnsonName: Larry Johnson Email: lcjohnson1@me.com Site:http://NoQuarterUSA.net About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.See Authors Posts (1754) on September 30, 2008 at 9:51 PM in Current Affairs
(bumped up by SusanUnPC because Larry posted this important story while most of us were sleeping, and it deserves more attention and, yes, Karl Rove really did “nail it”)
I still want to see Karl Rove frog-marched over the Valerie Plame, but the dude nails it in the following. The Democrats are talking one game but doing another. Check this out:
If the bail out bill really was in the best interest of America, why are Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama sitting on their hands?
Perry Logan
It’s weirding the Republicans out to see the Democrats beating them at their own game. That’s the only part of this mess I’m enjoying.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/19/can-the-msm-get-over-its-precious-self/#comments Steven
na·tion·al·ize Pronunciation[nash-uh-nl-ahyz, nash-nuh-lahyz] Pronunciation verb, -ized, -iz·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to bring under the ownership or control of a nation, as industries and land: a movement to nationalize the oil industry.
:a movement to nationalize housing.
Do i go to DMV to get my next house?Why is all this pork added to this bailout bill?Do tax payers get any returns if housing prices go back up?Is this the last phase of the bailout?Why no clear cut answers from Congress?
bert
It just shows that Pelosi and Franks did not want the bill passed with ACORN and the other provisions the Republicans needed our to vote yes. They did not look happy the night before when they gave their press conference. Franks especially looked like he has just had a baby rat forced down his throat. He was livid.
This vote was clearly sabotage. They along with Paulson tired to force feed this bill down the throats of Republicans and America and McCain did not allow it. Now they have time to regroup and get a new bill together that will most likely be just as bad if not worse.
Democrtas know that Obama stands to benefit from a bad economy. So they are manupilating this to help him out. Damn Americans and their little investements in the market, the Dems must keep their power and lock it in with Obama at the helm, no matter what.
Just like they manipulated the primary to defeat Hillary, they are playing politics with American’s liveihoods for personal profit and to take Obama over the finish line.
I hope it blows up in their faces big time.
dixie
The democtatic extension of 9/11 to collapse the financial institutions to bring America down is one hell of a “game”. And you are enjoying it?
Perry Logan
What can I say? It’s fun watching cheaters get cheated.
C.S.
Did anyone notice what was missing from this little analysis? Any reference to the Will of the People, who were demanding that their representatives vote NO. It’s all about ordering our representatives to “fall in line”, making sure they vote the way Pelosi and Reid tells them to; political party orders overriding the voices of the People. And we wonder why we’re in this mess. It’s because they have lost sight of who they are and what their job description is and are more interested in promoting an inexperienced candidate than listening to those with expertise.
After what Karl Rove has done to our country no one should take him at face value no matter how smart he is or how much “inside” information he has because you can’t know if he’s telling the truth or just putting a self-serving spin on it.
Perry Logan
I would like to take a moment to thank Karl Rove for helping the Repubs install The Worst President Ever™ and lose both houses of Congress. What a genius, huh?
Mary
Oh, for God’s sake, Perry.
Obtuse, you clearly are.
workingclass artist
Hmmmm….The Whole thing smells like a setup…sheeesh!
Think it’s time for an FDR ” Nothing to Fear but Fear Itself ” Leadership Moment…Oh Yeah…FDR is dead and Corrupt Incompetents are running the Party he built…(sigh)
Betty
I read somewhere yesterday, and it makes sense to me, I am disgusted to say.
Nancy and Co. will come back tomorrow with a new bill with all the crap (ACORN) and more back in and no one will dare vote no. Simple as that.
SWPAnnA
Rove is endeavoring to make the Democrats take ownership of this bill when it belongs to Bush & Co.(host brain for the Rovian crimes) So, it starts to crystallize: the democrats have NO INTENTION of letting this go through. They also know that if they don’t win this election, there is a FAR greater likelihood that McCain/Palen will prosecute wrongdoers – in and out of public office – than the tanking, untrusted congress is likely to do. Take impeachment off the table. Take the power of the purse strings to the cleaners and continue approving the debt of the war president. Take the jet home to San Francisco for the Jewish Holy Days and, oh, yea: Take a switch to the republicans whose votes you’d like to see pass this bill to cover yer own powdered tush.
SWPAnnA
Do i go to DMV to get my next house?Why is all this pork added to this bailout bill?Do tax payers get any returns if housing prices go back up?Is this the last phase of the bailout?Why no clear cut answers from Congress?
And wasn’t the oil they’d gain in Iran supposed to pay for the invasion? The Iranians, for all their hatred among sects for each other, chose to set fire to the freaking oil than let these jaggoffs take it.
SWPAnnA
Do i go to DMV to get my next house?Why is all this pork added to this bailout bill?Do tax payers get any returns if housing prices go back up?Is this the last phase of the bailout?Why no clear cut answers from Congress?
And wasn’t the oil they’d gain in Iran supposed to pay for the invasion? The Iranians, for all their hatred among sects for each other, chose to set fire to the freaking oil rather than let these jaggoffs take it.
SWPAnnA
And their closing line” Down 777 … the stock market lost by almost double, what it would have cost the taxpayer to pass this bill.
So, is Pelosi incompetent or playing a political game?
Mr. Natural
Man, did you hear Rove rattling off the names of those House members, running down their constituencies and their votes?
Mr. Natural
You’re the one getting cheated, sucker.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/19/can-the-msm-get-over-its-precious-self/#comments Steven
And wasn’t the oil they’d gain in Iran supposed to pay for the invasion? The Iranians, for all their hatred among sects for each other, chose to set fire to the freaking oil rather than let these jaggoffs take it.
Iran( did i miss something mate?!)
Mr.Murder
George Bush has done what to merit the trust of a bailout opackage?
If he were dogcatcher his coworkers would mistake him for dog shit.
ybnormal
The House votes are as much about sharing the risk, as they are about sharing the benefits. Get used to it.
Regardless if whether the bailout passes or not, in any version, there will be hardship in mainstreet. So whatever the result, both GOP and DNC know that it’s in neither’s interest to be the one’s pushing the bill down either’s throat. It’s about political survival.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
Urban Hillbilly
If nothing else, that was impressive.
Dawnelle
lol ok that was funny!
Sally
The whole Plame affair was as all this is a Democrat set up….and/or screw up/leak…..why the hell would republicans have given a damn about V. Plame…she was a nobody. In addition, the is evidence that she shot her mouth off about her mission to her husband and a reporter.
Don’t you get it guys…..the Dems have been scamming us with the help of the media….willing to do anything just to destroy Bush and republican and take his place. This was just another ploy….
Don’t get me wrong…I could wring Bush neck. The reason: he has no politcal acumen…he sits there, doesn’t defend himself, lets the media floth up, and does nothing. The Republican as so unsophisticated at the GAME that its destroying the country…they are lightweights at the con game. The fact that the Media doesn’t let Republicans on the TV to explain themselves sufficiently also adds to the problem. When every one in the media, congress, legal profession, academics is predisposed to hate you (ie thinking Republicans are automatically racist, sexist, fascist….which is absolutely a myth propogeated/ fabricated by the Communists politicians and media since 1940s), how in the hell did Bush have a chance….they hated him even before he did anything at all. I know you staunch democrats hate hearing that…but can it be that the conspiracy you see today in getting the fascist OBAMA to the WH, was also in play before the election? Just think about it a little. After all Hillary voted for the wars, and for all Security Bills proposed by Bush…so how crazy and blood thirsty can he really be. But at the same time we had the Communist among the Dems (eg Kennedy and Obama, Lee etc) that called the war a quagemire almost as soon as it started…..what patriots eh? Can’t you admit that these Democrats hate america like OBama does, and hence would do anything to see america fall….including tell lies about Plame, Bush, etc.
Don’t get me wrong here as well….republican rats in Congress needed to be purged but even the most corrupt of the Republicans still would likely give his life to prevent America from Crashing and losing to the enemy….corrupt but atleast they still love the country as a concept. Obama will unravel it like a tube of toilet paper.
NB: Please read….”Liberal Fascism” as soon as possible. It is the most important read of a lifetime and may very well contribute to saving this country (..and no its not a knock on the average well meaning Liberal, or Classical Liberal).
Sally
If you think Bush is a fascists….then FDR is equivalent to 10 Fascists in the Whitehouse….FDR was definately no genius…rather, he can be characterized as a enlightened Dictator. After he forced his way into the WH 4 times…4! He manhandled congress to do everything he wanted. He modelled himself and admired people like Mussolini (mussolin admired wilson)and the Tyrrant President Wilson (the first true fascist in the modern world) and enjoyed the wonders of having mega-industry working for him (ie. industry created the Labor laws and other laws that in many cases we still use today…and in many cases they help enforce it too). He, like Wilson, suspended liberties and persecuted everyone who merely disagreed with him with large Goon Squads. He disdained the constitution and bill of rights just as Wilson did because it was inconvenient. In fact, he, with Wilson’s precedent, developed the construct of the “patriotic, flag waving, gun toting, pro-imperial, rabid anti-communist that so many of today’s self-proclaimed liberals find offensive….yes he did!
He like many “progressives’ at the time, including McCarthy created the “Office Of Unamerican Activities”…both were committed Progressives…willing always for the sake of “scientific experimentation” and “progress”(a huge fad back then) to implement untested social engineering policies, eugenics, new fad education policies, and government-megaindustry collusion. Many economists speculate that his economic policies prolonged the depression…and that he in fact used the social upheaval of it (and the war) to inmplement his fascist ideology.
I’m sorry to dispell the myth….one that was promulgated and promoted by his fascistic corporatistic ties with the media/hollywood). Of course having an fat, ugly but smart and altruistic wife (married for her connections) sure didn’t hurt him either.
I know it hurts, but I have to say this, not to piss you democrats off but to get you to think a little more critically of your own party….and demand “real” representation….not more benevolent fascism. Obama is exactly the same as these defuct tyrants only that he hates this country…and they loved it.
It is only when all our history becomes clear to everyone that we will be free of the “fluff’, lies, myths, and biases and stop hating each other. Perhaps even the parties could start working constructively together and trusting one another that at the very least, they mean no harm to the other 1/2 America. To me it is now clear why the Democrat insist on calling Republicans “racists” “fascists” etc…they are projecting their past onto the conservatives in order to escape accountibility for it….and no wonder they want Americans to be completely ignorant of our 20th Century history. (note as example: the KKK= Dixie Democrats, not Republicans…shocking eh?
In my opinion, none of us should have to doubt a party’s ultimate objective: to have America’s people prosper and be free. The only differences between the party’s should be how the go about executing their plan to do so. The only reason we hate each other today is because we are suspicious of the ultimate objectives of the opposite party….that must stop!
The myths must go. Read: “Liberal Fascism” by Goldberg and you’ll be shocked and humbled (and maybe like me, embarrassed for having ever been a raging ignorant liberal)
Peace to you all.
Sally
As much as I didn’t appreciate Bill Clinton when in office, at least I realize now that he was a decent leader but most importantly his did not follow the fascist tendencies inherent to the Democrat philosophy since Wilson in 1912. That why I trusted Hillary…and would have voted for her, even over Mccain.
Mccain is a true blue American…I like him, trust him and his judgement…but he lack Sympatico with Americans…the vibe isn’t there. And that worries me because unless the media is held accountable (which won’t happen) they will destroy him and his reputation with any lie they can think of….and that bad for America. Another 4 years of bad PR by the traitors in the Media worries me. But I trust him and will vote for him.
I’m sure a lot of American feel …”hey why not toss a bone to the media and shut them up by giving them their Rock Star (obama)….at least the Country will appear to be at peace to the world”.
OH BOY, what a trade off: GOOD PR and loosing the soul of America vs. Bad PR and keeping Americans and their constitution safe.
DAMN THOSE TRAITORS IN THE MEDIA, ACADEMIA, HOLLYWOOD….we shouldn’t have to make such a choic!
Sally
You are an ignorant, treacherous, elitist, ungrateful sack of shit….enjoying this? mmmmm. I think Obama has shat in your skull…and you call it a brain
I hope you enjoy yourself when YOU start starving to death you idiot…think its impossible and worthy of a joke you fool? So did those elitists in 1929. But of course its futile to tell you about history because you think you are a superior species of human…immune to hubrid, ignorance, stupidity, vapidity, brainwashing etc. You think history is stupid because your predecessors are of an inferior breed eh?
I can’t wait till the fascist Obama start persecuting his own Goons and other supporters….Fascists or revolutionary leftists always do go after their own first (and visciously)…you idiot.
Sally
Don’t you mean Iraq? Jack off who?
MomWhoCares4USA
“I still want to see Karl Rove frog-marched over the Valerie Plame, but the dude nails it in the following.”
Ditto,
LOL
indypol
Do you know what this bogus self-declaration of an imminent landslide sounds like? It’s like John Edwards’s endorsement of Obama, which was obviously timed to blunt the impact of Hillary’s 41 point victory in West Virginia. Obama has had a bad spell of late. After a week in which he proved how utterly irrelevant he is in the Senate as a deal-maker, opinion-setter or expert in economic policy, followed by an anemic debate performance filled with half-truths, ummms, ahhs and tortured acknowledgements of McCain’s superior knowledge of foreign policy, Odumbo needed a distraction, so what does he do when there’s too much bad news to spin? What he always does : change the subject and media focus to something else.
Since there are no more endorsements to throw out, and he’s facing another tough debate next week, he had to create a new story line : I’m going to win! The flat-earth society predicted as much, so it must be true.
Desperate Odumbo is throwing more smoke and mirrors around. Spinning race as the probable cause for his defeat isn’t working any more, and change is running dry after Palin, so let’s invent another meme. What a joke. His internals after the debate must be really bad. He’s going down in November, and I can’t wait for it to happen.
MaggiefromMichigan
There’s still the matter of the ACORN money in the recent $300 billion bill for home foreclosure assistance. And then there’s barky’s Global Poverty Tax bill. Where does that stand and why doesn’t everyone know about this one? I’m sure they would get just as riled up about it too.
pm317
She is playing a political game incompetently.
yttik
Thanks for bumping this, susan.
Pelosi sounded really defensive. Democrats are not in a position of power when they’re whiny and defensive. I think this bailout has them trapped. They can’t show leadership because then they take the fall for it with taxpayers. But if they don’t show leadership, they’re letting the country go down the tubes and playing partisan politics. It’s kind of like being trapped in a check mate.
And underneath it all, people are going to notice that it is Democrats trying to give Bush a blank check while Republicans are asking for some oversight. And it’s the media that keeps pushing this storyline.
snosandy
The Democrats have become every bit as crazed as the Repulicans. Remember when Joe Wilson was the hero of the Dems? As soon as they found out he supported Hillary Clinton the Obama supporters turned on him and were as vile and repugnant towards him as they were to Hillary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2DXN3aOSo Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright
Perry Logan is an anarchist.
Thats the only conclusion i can come too.
There is a time for good men and women to put aside their grievances and join to protect their country.
You would think a guy his age would have learned that by now.
The Democrats have abandoned all reason and sacrificed the very best amongst themselves in their mad rush to power.
Like it or not, the only ones who stand in their way now are John McCain and the republicans.
This is no time to vote present, and a guy with as much grey hair as Perry Logan has should understand that clearly.
Lets not forget painting Clinton a Racist is much much worse than busting him for lying under oath about a blowjob.
One is a weakenss of the flesh, the other of the soul.
And the ones who painted Bill a racist were the power hungry madmen in his own party.
If a failed attempt at impeachment, which we all knew wasn’t ever going to happen and was a show put on for the public makes him that mad, then painting Bill a racist should have him out in front of Barack’s Unity Bus with spike strip and a bullhorn.
Sadley his freaky videos do nothing more than give the impression that he is just another nutty liberal who doesn’t support Obama.
And that horrible children laughing laugh track he uses….it doesn’t help at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2DXN3aOSo Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright
It rebounded already today over half the loss suffered.
TOmorrow it will recoup the rest.
Zorro Astor
Un. Fucking. Believable. The Dems intentionally sabotaged the vote. That’s treason. Playing with people’s lives like that. How much money is Nancy Pelosi worth? How come Jesus in the bible is poor and these animals in DC are so filthy rich? We trust them? Why?
But today the Johnny Mac GOP people are the good guys.
Zorro Astor
Troll Alert #1.
Zorro Astor
Troll Alert #2.
I have a bracelet 2
just a clown
anarchists r not spineless like the Dems
Zorro Astor
He was probably reading them from a list – a vote tally.
pal3
Gwen Ifll, VP debate moderator, is in the tank for Obama…Unbelieveable. Sarah should attack if she think she’s being treated unfairly. I’ll bet Biden has the questions.
The latter. But she’s a lot more shrewd than you think. The idea was to keep the country in the cooker until 4 November or as long as possible. The crisis gives them the election. Rush it now and the GOP can win everything.
Well, on the last note for tonight as I turn in, I think it was a very smart move to have a Obama supporter moderate the VP debate. Believe me, if it was someone who had a book coming out about McCain you would see bots combusting in the media and throughout the blogs. I mean, when have you ever met a Obama supporter capable of treating anyone on the opposing side decent? We will get to witness live how the moderator will turn into a bot on national television. It will be like watching the cartoon Transformers as we watch her transition from moderator to bot before our very eyes. Hell I was excited about hearing the debate. But that was before I found out we will get to see a “live bot” on television pretending to “not be a bot”. I wonder if she will foam at the mouth or something? We dont get to see what bots look like because they are on the other side of the computer. But guess what? We get to see A REAL ONE on Thursday. The only thing that will be running through that chics mind is “how dare she be on the Republican ticket and take away this historical election from Obama!”
Zorro Astor
I love all you guys but I gotta go. This political crap really wears a body out. You all take care – you’re the best online group in the world.
G’nite!
PewL
Hannity had another excellent show tonite,,Actually had someone on that agrees with him,about Alinsky,Ayers and Acorn,and Obama…Obama has ties to some pretty bad people,and why isn’t the other news media channels covering this? We could be putting the most dangerous man in the White House.And nobody give a shit…What happened to the America,I once new….Better start looking for another name,because I think the name united States will no longer be that name If Obama gets elected..
I wonder if we can capture and study her to find out how bots tick. Hey I know, we can place bets to see how long before her head starts spinning and spitting out green stuff.
Hope Floats! Flush Twice!
Karl Rove has the heart of a loan shark, but the man eats, breathes and sleeps politics. I am always amazed watching him do his job, just for his sheer efficiency. It’s like watching a nature show.
benny
lol. thats true, soldier. An obamabot on live TV. That’ll be fun.
Diana
Perry isn’t an elitist. Just look at his video’s. He’s just venting a lot of pent up anger for the Republicans. That’s why I just let him spew and don’t attack him, it’s good for the soul. He’s actually just been on this kick for the past few weeks, normally he has a wonderful sense of humor. Has great insight. I used to really enjoy reading his posts. He’s an ardent supporter of women…hopefully he’ll work through it. I wouldn’t give up on him, or think he’s a troll. He’s not, and he does not support Obama.
NoBO
As beebop mentioned in another thread, I, too, lost a lot in AAPL stock yesterday, thanks to the dumb, needless, senseless Pelosi shenanigans. Apple’s stock went down 18%. Unreal! It went up near 8% today so it’s still 10% less than it was on Friday. It went down $23 so I lost a HUGE chunk of my portfolio yesterday, as did just about everyone else. What, me worry? It’s Apple! Sales are spectacular!
For more about how Apple will weather this financial mess, please see:
Folks, if you have any of these goofy Dems in your district, please vote them out! They need to be gone!
HARP
On January 20, 2009, her new book Breakthrough, praising Barack Obama’s impact on politics and race, will be released. Some conservatives have questioned her ability to objectivity moderate the 2008 Vice Presidential debate given her apparent preferences in the 2008 Presidential race.
Oh shit! Theres a bot on here exhibiting the EXACT theme from that step by step instructions from Huffpo on how to trick us. Damn Sally I thought it was just a myth. Wow.
Hope Floats! Flush Twice!
The problem with Bush was he was easily corrupted and manipulated. The Republican party stands for good principles like small govt, personal liberty and this nation – the Republic – united in loyalty. Bush does not exemplify any of those ideals. His whole party is ashamed of him, except for maybe a handful of social conservatives. I don’t know whether he is evil or not.
http://medusa2.wordpress.com Medusa
Outrageous!
It’s the Rules and By-Laws Committee all over again.
Nancy Pelosi is worth $50 million dollars!!!!!!!
http://investigatebarackobama.wordpress.com/about/ kat in your hat
Perry. Ya gotta stop the dems vs. repubs thing.
That is’t what is happening anymore.
Democrats aren’t innocent. The ideology and the thought-connection of “good party is democrat” is not the same anymore.
Most of us are democrats and disgusted by the change.
Perry, it IS possible that some democrats have become corrupt…to the detriment of the people.
Firelight
I saw a clip at Michelle Malkin’s site of Ifil after Palin’s speech at the Republican convention….Ifil was not impressed it seemed. Wonder if she’ll be seeking some revenge against Palin in the debate?
snosandy
Six months ago I couldn’t even look at the guy, but now I am at least interested to hear what he has to say.
blog force one
We are getting to the point when we can see the whites of their eyes! do we reallu have ammo in our magazines? if our powder is dry we better damn well use it !!! we are waitong for orders and when willwe have some weapons to fight with! somebody unlock the armory of information on the opposition and we will fight !!! waiting for orders !!! I want to say…. HUAA!!!!!!!!!
Hope Floats! Flush Twice!
You are a weirdo. Quit calling people trolls.
Zoroastrianism is a dead Indo-Iranian cult. There are maybe a handful of people practicing it in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.
And then you spell it like a cross between the popular masked vigilante and the billionaire Astor family. Do you just want to sound like an asshole?
Jules
Here is an article I think you all should read–trolls especially.
The last couple of lines of this article read:
Elder asked: “What happens if a Democrat wins the 2008 election?”
“We are doomed. Our enemies want the Democrats to win. This last election, jihadist websites were playing victory songs and declaring the Democrats are our allies in the war against America,” she (Brigitte Gabriel, terrorism expert) said.
I think the Republicans invite this. Look how they subjected Palin to interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric. They want her to get used to answering tough questions. Same with this debate.
WildChild
so are you admitting that gwen is in the tank for BOBO. Because I believe the suggestion was for Sara to attack if that was the case.
Tricia
October suprise is coming and I can not wait
HARP
Obama`s global poverty bill:
4/24/2008–Reported to Senate amended.
Global Poverty Act of 2007 – Directs the President, through the Secretary of State, to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the U.S. foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.
On the surface this bill seems innocent enough. I am all for helping people, but at what cost? The hidden costs in this bill are treasonous!
The cost of this bill is based on 0.7% GDP which averages to about 100 billion this year and with a small amount of growth per year the total through 2015 would exceed 800 billion. It amounts to about $3000 per person. This includes every man, woman, and child in the US at the current population of 303,824,650 as per the us census bureau estimate for 2008.
Not only will this bill add an additional burden of tax but it can also deprive every citizen of their 2nd amendment right to bear arms and will force the United States to become subservient to the United Nations. The achievement of the UN’s Millennium Declaration is a goal of this bill. Giving any entity control in any way over the US and the constitutional rights of her citizens should NOT be written into any bill and presented to congress disguised as an aid bill.
As each day passes, I become more and more frightened at the duplicity of my party and the extreme measures they will go to to get Obama elected. This is not a political race, it is a vile, premeditated, totally unethical attempt to put a shadow man in the White House, the American public be damned. The Democratic Party that I supported for so many years is dead to me. I am no longer buying any rationalization for Hillary to be out stumping for this fraud and this corrupt party. There comes a time in a person’s life that he or she either stands up for core beliefs in honor and decency and integrity, or lies down with the enemy, either because he or she is willing to subjugate those beliefs for the “greater good” or because those values were only skin deep to begin with. Barack Obama is no way, no how the “greater good” for this country, nor is hanging on to a vision of the Democratic Party as it once was, but is certainly no longer. I believe that Hillary is a person of integrity and honor, but I think it is much too late to be thinking about trying to change the party from within, for it would seem that the cancer has spread undetected for too long. I need Hillary to turn her back on this man and this party now, because she is much too intelligent to not know what a clear and present danger the election of Barack Obama represents for this naton.
Jules
I think Bush’s problem is that he is a completely inept communicator. He knows he’s not good at it, so he doesn’t do it very much. He is not able to explain himself well. Add to that the EXTREMELY liberal media, and I don’t know what the hell has been going on for the last 8 years. I have been ready to flush Bush down the toilet like everyone else, but when I see what the media is doing now with Obama, it really makes me wonder what BS we have been fed about Bush. And seeing how the liberal media apparently wants us to lose the war, I don’t think we’ve heard the truth about that either. Any trust I ever had for the MSM is down the tubes now for sure.
no vote for Oblabla
Here, here!
Seattle Moss
Sally is not a troll..
I’m a busy guy but my greatest priority is reading this book.
Sally I love you!
Susan1968
Jeremiah says:
There is a time for good men and women to put aside their grievances and join to protect their country.
This is exactly how I feel.
This partisan craziness is destroying the government and the country.
And this year – the Obama camp, Pelosi et al – are even worse offenders than the GOP.
And in the midst of all this partisan chatter — we the people can’t get a straight answer on this bailout bill.
I hate the way this partisan party stuff pits American against American!
You stop to help with a roadside wreck — do you ask to see the victim’s voter’s card first?
No. It doesn’t even cross your mind.
And as for far left Bush-hating progressives, their hypocrisy stinks to high heaven because THEY are the folks who voted for Nader against Gore.
This country has become a house divided — and history warns us that a house divided falls.
no vote for Oblabla
The Worst President Ever™…that would be the Obammunist if he is ever elected selected
fred
ACORN is stealing this election. ACORN is committing voter fraud in EVERY swing state. This is Chicago style stealing, done in YO FACE. Obama got you scared to speakout about this theft, afraid to be called racist huh? lol. It’s been a long time since you’ve lived in FEAR, how does it feel?
30yrdem-not any more
John Edwards is in Video #2 at an ACORN meeting.
30yrdem-not any more
Awful…I just watched two video’s of ACORN meeting..
mcpalin hill
Karl Rove is saying that Nancy Pelosi was overheard to say that she wanted this as a Fall issue. How cold can this bitch be? She allowed banks to fail and people to lose their money and their homes in order to make this an issue in the Campaign. She must resign.
McHope
Babs,
Very well said. Have you sent this to Hillary? She maybe exactly the one person who could set things right if she were to speak out.
because she is much too intelligent to not know what a clear and present danger the election of Barack Obama represents for this naton.
The party is not salvagable, the country needs to be protected.
mcpalin hill
fred — The Republicans are not going to let Acorn get away with this. How in the Hell does Obama think he is? He is cheating right in front of our eyes because he thinks the media will cover for him. Well you can be a media darling one minute and a media pariah the next.
Hey, fred, a patriot doesn’t live in fear for himself, only for the nation he loves. The American history is full of accounts of true patriots, your candidate Obama will not even be a footnote in future volumes.
PJ
Perry,
I know you post here often and are respected.
But I have to say… please stop with the “us vs you” vision of political parties. Either that or jump on the obama wagon like others. I want a centrist party which you have said before “leaves you out.”
Well, go somewhere already.
lusitania
Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama are sitting on their hands because when the economy does badly it helps his poll numbers go up. I believe it. Obama is now throwing everyone under the bus.
This election is getting downright scary the way it is shaking out. And the ruling in Ohio on one stop voting is really scary. I hear Obama has three shuttlebuses going every half hour to the early and one stop voting locations from the Ohio State campus.
Hillary in 2012…if we can hold out that long.
vinnie
Sad to say, but I feel the same. Gotta give credit where credit is due…he knows his stuff and he knows it well, no wonder he’s known as the architect . Whenever I watch him on Hannity and Skeletor Colmes, he just makes Colmes look totally incompetent.
30yrdem-not any more
I second that motion.
Can I get a third?
30yrdem-not any more
I heard that also…about the buses.
Danny
TO ALL MY FRIENDS….LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE………FYI only.
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high–14,000 +
5) American’s were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!…
BUT American’s wanted ‘CHANGE’! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes–we got ‘CHANGE’ all right.
In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIOS!
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE…AND WE SURE GOT IT! ….
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY
GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!
JUST HOW MUCH MORE ‘CHANGE’ DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?
lusitania
Colmes is incompetent. He is always just grabbing at straws the way he tries to defend his positions and love for Obama. It makes me sick. I was just thinking today that I think I have to stop watching him because he is so vomitous the way he sucks up to Obama.
Pretty soon there will be no one to watch. Well, that may be good for my blood pressure.
Babs
Pelosi is only a pawn in the greater game by George Soros and his fascist cronies. The only one who doesn’t seem to see how she has been used and will go down in history as the worst Speaker of the House in history is Nancy herself.
mcpalin hill
babs — yes the best thing that Bill and Hillary Clinton can do now is come out for John McCain. Bill Clinton keeps hinting at it but now its time to show what you’re made of. I am so shocked at what the Dems have done and continue to do to the American people — Bill Clinton was a great president. He would never have done what the Dems are trying to do now. Sometimes you have to put country over party and this is one of those times.
Tristan
It’s actually incredibly simple. The DNC believes that Obama benefits from the bad economy. So why fix the economy before the election? Thus of us who watch the process closely know that Pelosi & co are dragging their feet, and that the reason the economy is bad has a lot to do with a Democratic congress that did nothing on housing and energy, but the average Joe won’t.
PJ
Wow Jeremiah,
My thoughts to a T.
I tried to say it up on the thread before I read yours.
PJ
And peace to you.
benny
IF Ohitler becomes pres, we’ll be lucky to have any change in our pockets. and in a year or so, we’ll be send to obama re-education camps. his private army will make sure of that.
mcpalin hill
hope floats — nobody invites the kind of shit Sarah Palin has taken. What’s her crime? She is a mom and a popular Governor with absolutely no skeletons in her closet–so the media decides it has to destroy her. Fuck the media and the horse they rode in on. Good people have the right to run for office — without being pilloried by the press.
Seattle Moss
Mc…
Everything is perception..
I do business with a hand shake and eye contact.
I read Hillary and Bill the same way.
Nothing else is needed
30yrdem-not any more
Yes this old dems is learning…I fell for their crap for to long…I have seen the light…never voting for another democrat ever!
pal3
yep. Obama will resign before the second debate and Hillary will step in and become President ’08. If Hillary wants to be president, then she will be president. Hillary believes “the end justify the means”, so I expected her to do everything possible to get into office. The reason I think Hillary will be great president is because she has a lot of “dirt” on these politicians.She will be able to get her way… Lucky for us, she really do care about people and will do what is best for our country…even if, it requires some blackmail and a little bit of corruption.
Babs
There will be no Hillary in 2012 if Obama is elected. The Democratic Party that we all knew and loved is dead, get it, dead! And the only chance of resurrection is dependent on the election of John McCain, and a presidency that will not be dependent on lies and graft and thuggery, but will instead begin to heal a nation in turmoil. If you are one of those Dems who cannot vote for Obama, but who is thinking of voting third party, or writing Hillary in, or just staying home, I implore you in the name of a once proud Democrat woman who has seen my party go from proud and honorable to downright despicable, think again and vote Democratic for a Republican.
Seattle Moss
Perry…
I used to live in Austin… Ok!
You’re coming across as some poor professor who can’t even afford a new suit of clothes.
Stop with your crap or support Obabmbi!
mcpalin hill
zorro astor — What Pelosi did in order to win an election is against every decent thing this country stands for. How many banks was she going to allow to go under before she decided that it was her job as Speaker of the House to take on this issue. Well I guess she had a lot of practice ignoring this — considering that she knew about Fannie and Freddie being 500 Bill in debt in 2004. How does she sleep at night knowing that people have left brand new fully furnished homes because they could no longer afford them?
Nancy decided that she wanted Obama at all costs and the cost too this country is too big to bare. Now the cheating begins because there is no way Americans will vote for Obama unless they cheat big time.
I just heard that Acorn spent $800,000 to be able to get same day voting in Ohio. So Obama can bus in his people to steal the election just like he did the caucuses. Thanks Nancy you have left us quite a legacy.
vinnie
yep. I saw some footage of the voting poll and the voters look like they are in their 20s or/and are AA. I’m not feeling great about OH and Mac’s chances there now. I feel as though we’re watching FL 2004 play out in OH. God help us.
http://www.noquarterusa.net Linda
I heard today that ACORN is now also going under the name HOPENOW. Has anyone else heard about this ??
Mr.Murder
Democrats are at fault for not bailing out Shrubya’s economy.
Remember all the record growth you tax cutters gushed over?
It was built on the same bubble.
By the way, the real Marixist/Commies are docking in Venezuela and sharing nuke technology.
Enjoy the worst security failure in history continuing to get punked like the service shirking chickenhawk that he is.
acorn hater
Michelle Malkin
A debate “moderator” in the tank for Obama
By Michelle Malkin • September 30, 2008 10:13 PM
My first syndicated column of the week, filed this afternoon, shines light on PBS anchor Gwen Ifill, who will moderate Thursday’s only vice presidential debate. Try as she might to deflect questions about her impartiality, her biases — and her conflict of interest — are clear. But don’t you dare breathe a word about any of this. You know what will happen if you do…
RACIST!
Sidenote: TVNewser reports that Ifill has broken her ankle, but she’s still going to do the debate. But will she disclose her conflict of interest? Inquiring minds want to know.
Ask the Commission on Presidential Debates if she will acknowledge her conflict of interest: 202-872-1020.
And here’s the e-mail address of Janet H. Brown, Executive Director of the Debates Commission: jb@debates.org
Hopefully, their email system works better than the House.
Tons of readers recommend that Sarah Palin open her debate remarks by congratulating Ifill on her book and asking her to tell everyone the title.
mcpalin hill
indypol — Rasmussen Poll said today that only 26% of people are buying the bail out deal. How is the arrogant Obama going to swing a landslide with only 26% buying this fraudulent deal? I heard Pelosi is going to come out with a new bill which will put back all the earmarks and all the Dems will be on board. There will be a landslide alright — every Dem should be defeated. They don’t give a damn about this country.
Acaha
Uh, Bill is practically campaigning for McCain already — you see that McCain has made Bill the star of his new ad, don’t you? It’s great.
You don’t think Bill says that stuff by accident, do you? He is constantly complimenting McCain.
Leave Hillary be, please. Bill is doing the job for her — he is stepping up to protect his wife so she can continue to play at the table in the future. He, meanwhile, a very successful 2 term president, beloved by many Americans and around the world, can say much more than she can.
http://www.economicpopulist.org Robert Oak
She’s simply trying to hang this extremely unpopular move on Republicans and also to force McCain to lose the election. The American public are absolutely outraged on the bill.
Blog post on No Bail Out Act with video clips of the press conference plus as much bill text as has been released.
Mr.Murder
If only ther Dems would surrender all Constitutional authority and oversight to Sachs CEO Paulson!
Why do they hate American profiteering so very much?
acorn hater
Another place to complain about the biased “moderator” for the VP Debate:
Janet H. Brown
Executive Director of the Debates Commission
Mr. Johnson. It is remarkable that Rove is not rapping right now to the Frog March Blues (aka; Taters),
Do you know of anyone else better that can play “Better Know a District” than Mr. Rove?
For him to know it in that detail means he has game in each one. I would love to see the call sheets on that wire. Quite a web.
Poor Colbert!
mcpalin hill
maggie — I am in total shock that I have never heard that Ohio will have same day registration and that it cost Acorn $800,000 to get this done. Obama will bus in his voters once again and Acorn is going to steal this election for him. This is hope and change we can believe in? Obama and Pelosi have a lot to answer for.
No wonder people no longer want to vote. You have a media who decides who our candidates will be. We have phoney polls which gives the media’s choice candidate the numbers he needs to cover any election theft. Its a crime.
mcpalin hill
momwhocaresfortheUSA — For those who thought Rove was working for the other side. We have our answer. Rove is one of the good guys in this election.
mcpalin hill
ybnormal — There will be hardship on Mainstreet because the Democrats were on the take from Fannie and Freddie and they didn’t want any oversight — McCain knew about this in 2005 and co-sponsored a bill which went nowhere. So the politicians want to survive — for what? To do something for the people or to further feather their own nests. While Pelosi decided to make this an issue for this election — people lost their homes and their money in failed banks. Is the job of people who run for office — to destroy the little guys who work hard and play by the rules? If so — then I can understand why they want to survive because there is so much more damage they can continue to do.
TeakWoodKite
LOL.
mcpalin hill
lusitania — Colmes said tonight that Obama was fully vetted by the media for 17 months and answered every question.
I have a few questions he never answered. How many countries does he owe allegiance to? Where are Obama’s school records? Where are his Medical Records? Where are Obama’s State Senate Records? How did Obama listen to a Pastor for 20 years and never hear the Hate America Speech? What happened to the Annenberg Challenge money?
And that’s just for starters….
Diana
My gosh I did a search on this clicked on a link and it went to a white power site, even though that’s not what the site address was…sheesh. So be careful if you go searching for it. Anyway, I found another site it looks like she declared martial law on congress which like he said they’re being forced to vote on a bill they know nothing about. http://tinyurl.com/4srmy7
mcpalin hill
zorro astor — Bush scared the people into voting for him by talking war and the Democrats by bankrupting this country.
TeakWoodKite
she shot her mouth off about her mission to her husband and a reporter
SO… I hear Valerie is good with automatics as well.
The only one shooting thier mouth off is you, you plebe. And one other thing, I DO get you “wrong”.
Because of these Texas cowboys, people died and a NOC was exposed who was working on Iranian WMD along with the cover. That is treason.
You have the balls to place that at Mrs. Wilson’s feet?
Do your self a real favor. STOP.
mcpalin hill
pm 317 — The Democrats have known about Fannie and Freddie since 2004. But they refused oversight and they said Raines was doing a terrific job. Every year Bush tried without success to get more oversight over Fannie and Freddie. It was said in 04 that Fannie and Freddie were 500 Bill in debt and they could limp along for another few years but if there was a down turn in the housing market they could take the entire economy with them. If I heard about this in 04 then Pelosi and the Dems were well aware of this when they refused the oversight. Pelosi thought she would play this political game — scare the people into voting for Obama by waiting until just before the election to spring this poison pill.
acorn hater
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Sally
I love you too my darlin.
Thank you for defending my honor. But you know I do feal like a troll today… bad mood, hair out of control and I ate to much ice cream to fit in my pants. LOL
Thank you and may your prayers be answered.
Zeke
Enough!
Perry is simply and truly a douche.
Nothing more…
Possibly less…
Seattle Moss
The people here have done a 180 when it comes to supporting McCain over Hillary and the republicans.
It takes a little more to take it to the next level.
I love my Ice cream too!!
God bless you!
Docelder
I don’t think anybody really believes he never heard the hate America bit. I think the radical left just gives him a “pass” on it because deep down they hate America as well. Everyone else knows better, but some try to forgive… but they will not forget. Myself, I am not forgiving nor forgetting. The fact that after 17 months… we don’t really know who he is… that in and of itself tells us exactly what he is and what he is not. The details of it aren’t so important as the end truth of it… McCain is by far the only real choice for America. Or at least for those of us who don’t hate it.
Seattle Moss
I meant to say we were ex democrats!!
Country First!
Hope Floats! Flush Twice!
You have a point. The media have treated Sarah Palin despicably, but I was thinking of when they are actually doing their jobs (supposedly) and accepting that she will be held to a higher standard than Barack Obama like anyone else who poses a threat to him.
TeakWoodKite
Third!
Hope Floats! Flush Twice!
Early voting has got to go. It encourages people who would normally be too lazy to show up to add their 2 cents and disrupt a process that should require people to save the date and get up off the couch.
TeakWoodKite
I was wondering about Mr. Murder.
(shaking my head)
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work
Good God Perry. Can’t you make a video that you don’t appear in? You are a fright.
Sally
Ok I desist and I apologize…but whenever i here a slur targeted toward the typical Republican i get upset these days….not because i’m a stauch republican but rather because usually such attacks are a direct insult to my values and beliefs, and my faith.
Now that you are aware of what fascist tricks Obama and his media pal are up to, you may understand just how unfairly they’ve been treating us conservative for 40 years…day in day out insults and accusations I know to be untrue…all to make us appear racist, sexist, evil, cruel and crazy (just because we believe in Jesus). Many of us can’t take the abuse any longer….
So again I’m sorry…but I hope you understand how we get humiliated and kicked around…as if we don’t contribute to making this world better, as if we wouldn’t know what the word charity means etc
They’ve been trying to dehumanize us for decades….hopefully now you know why!
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work
The problem with Bush was he was easily corrupted and manipulated.
You just described Obama.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work
The Attorney General and The Election Commissioner in OH are both Republicans. The Attny Gen has called for a Bi-partisan review of all the early votes.
The early votes are going to be set aside until they can be validated against drivers licenses and tax rolls.
The early voting is only for one week. It will allow 4 weeks to verify whether the registrations are valid.
I expect to see some arrests made for Voter Fraud. It will happen and it won’t be pretty.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work
That is SICK.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work
Obama is channeling Michael Jackson.
http://nobho.blogspot.com/ Johnny at Work
It might work. The Kids will call him Barney Lips.
Zeke
I heard that recently somewhere…
colon bracket
Zeke
Babs,
Unless you ask me not to, I am going use your line, “a patriot doesn’t live in fear for himself, only for the nation he loves.”
In my email signature.
Thanks
Sally
How sweet you guys are….I like coming here to learn a little and give a little back. Its such a shame that it took a tyrrant like Obama to get us conservatives and true liberal to talk and exchang ideas. This is what has been lacking in our country….people have become afraid to swap ideas or learn from one another. We need much more of this.
I hope you guys are having a good night so far. I’m getting a little sleepy…maybe another 5 minutes and off I go.
Good chatting with you…God bless you too.
Zeke
I have heard that traffic directly in front of busses like this can be extremely heavy… especially in early November…
Sally
…and yes, COUNTRY FIRST ALWAYS. Boy do I love this land and its people. I travelled and lived all over the world….but there is no one with as good a heart as the run of the mill American patriot.
Zeke
UnvarnishableSpinnaker,
Then there is nothing to wonder about…
Sally
Do yourself a favor and go fuck Plame while you’re at it go fuck Obama too. You might not like the facts and your brainwashed type never do, but there is evidence she did just that….she committed a security breach in that case, not me nor Bush or anyone else…….if you don’t like it you know where you can take your objections….eh?
Don’t you tell me to STOP…its not a fascist state yet…I know you wish it was…but not yet buddy boy. Go read a book lame brained, kool aid drinking, brown-shirt.
IndianaDem
It’s possible that the bail-out bill may be successful even if it isn’t passed. It sure as hell has served well in focusing public attention on some very serious problems.
Whoever the next president is, I think we’re going to see some seriously needed regulatory legislation pushed through. The public, much better informed now, will demand it. Anybody who stands in the way of that, either on the right or the left, won’t be around after the next election.
Zee
We’ll never be buying your kool aide, bubs.
Zee
You freaking rethuglicans are out in droves again.
Yeah, we remember the CORPORATE media selling Bush just like they’re doing with Obama. Maybe you think we’ve forgotten just when the public finally realized what a horror-scene Bush was….they should’ve caught on even before 9/11, but it took until Katrina.
So go sell your rewrite of history somewhere else, maybe Free Republic.
Zee
You’re in the wrong place to sell horseshit.
Zee
Sally is a troll of the worst kind. The lying sack of shit rethuglican pretending they ever gave a shit about either of the Clintons so they can rewrite history for Rove and Bush.
She should go back to Free Republic, if they’ll even have her.
Zee
WHO are you kidding? Sheesh, you can’t stir ‘em with a stick today.
ROVE was the one chuckling up a storm over the divided Dems this primary season. You think he’s not thrilled they have Obama vs McCain instead of Hillary?!
Yeah, he called it, all right. And that makes him a prince, how?
Zee
Yeah, right….the republicans did so well protecting NYC and invading the wrong country and letting New Orleans drown.
Are you all getting paid at least as much as the Obots to try to denounce all Dems?
Sue
Well you know what Perry? The Dems had Carter, The Pubs have Dubya.
Now can we get this out of our system and work to stop Obama?
Zee
That’s kind of scary…it reminds me how the DNC moved the convention 3 years in advance so OMessiah could accept on the anniversay of MLK’s I have a Dream speech…then instantly moved their headquarters to Chicago.
Everything’s already in place for this book to be relevant in January?
Sue
I started reading your post and thought, Hey! Sally’s read “Liberal Facism”!
It’s a good book. I think everyone should read it. Have you read “The Forgotten Man”?
Sue
We’ve been fed a lot of bs about Bush. The media killed him and they almost lost the war for this country. They have no shame.
I’m not giving Bush a pass, he’s the most fiscally socialist president I think we’ve ever had, but I think he could have done a much better job given some positive press once in awhile.
Let’s face it, this country has been Al Qaida free since 2001 because of George W. and for that, I thank him.
Zee
Laying it on a bit THICK, aren’t you all?
Nice try….I have to admire the big game plan. Put Republican moles in the fauxgressive blogosphere….Huffington, John Aravosis, Marcos…get Obama shoved in on us, then try to pry the outraged Hillary voters from the party altogether.
I guess you got the orders to roll out the lockstep today, but unfortunately you guys are coming in on the tail end of all the Rove-praisers and Plame-bashers, so it kind of undercuts the fake “I used to be so Dem but nevermore!!!”
There is no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The DNC and Dem leadership can GTH with Obama, but that doesn’t make those of us COMMITTED TO CLEANING UP OUR PARTY IN A WAY YOU THUGS FAILED TO DO WITH YOUR OWN suddenly “Republican.” You can shove school choice, privatizing SS, trickle down, antichoice, antigay, anti-foreigners, deregulation, etc etc back up where it came from.
Zee
Babs, I agree. The reason I hate Obama the most (after the fact he’s an election-jacker) is that he praised Ronald Reagan and dissed Bill Clinton at a time we could’ve really built Democratic unity and a renewed effort toward the roots of our party. Now we have to put our hip boots on and wade through all this horseshit (which is nearly waist high today) about “commies” and “marxists” —- I think the reason they betrayed us is that the Dem leaders resent the natural leadership and power of the Clintons.
Maybe we can make them feel the power of the people. Heaven help us if the fix is in, tho.
Jules
You’re obviously missing my point, including the one about not being a Bush fan. But I don’t really care to explain it to your further.
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