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Bill Schools Barack * Open Thread

When I need a good laugh, the Wall Street Journal‘s op-ed page is not the first place I think of going. But I roared when I read this today:

Bill v. Barack on Banks

Clinton instructs Obama on

finance and Phil Gramm.

A running cliché of the political left and the press corps these days is that our current financial problems all flow from Congress’s 1999 decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 that separated commercial and investment banking. Barack Obama has been selling this line every day. Bill Clinton signed that “deregulation” bill into law, and he knows better.

In BusinessWeek.com, Maria Bartiromo reports that she asked the former President last week whether he regretted signing that legislation. Mr. Clinton’s reply: “No, because it wasn’t a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter.

“But I have really thought about this a lot. I don’t see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn’t signed that bill.”

One of the writers of that legislation was then-Senator Phil Gramm, who is now advising John McCain, and who Mr. Obama described last week as “the architect in the United States Senate of the deregulatory steps that helped cause this mess.” Ms. Bartiromo asked Mr. Clinton if he felt Mr. Gramm had sold him “a bill of goods”?

Mr. Clinton: “Not on this bill I don’t think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can’t possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I’d be glad to look at the evidence.

“But I can’t blame [the Republicans]. This wasn’t something they forced me into. I really believed that given the level of oversight of banks and their ability to have more patient capital, if you made it possible for [commercial banks] to go into the investment banking business as Continental European investment banks could always do, that it might give us a more stable source of long-term investment.”

We agree that Mr. Clinton isn’t wrong about everything. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act passed the Senate on a 90-8 vote, including 38 Democrats and such notable Obama supporters as Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dick Durbin, Tom Daschle — oh, and Joe Biden. Mr. Schumer was especially fulsome in his endorsement.

As for the sins of “deregulation” more broadly, this is a political fairy tale. …

I wish I could post the entire op-ed. Read it here: Bill v. Barack on Banks || Clinton instructs Obama on finance and Phil Gramm.

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This is an OPEN THREAD.

P.S. Barack Obama’s speech was on TV while I wrote this up. He said, and I quote, “We’re going to work together to banish fear.” Okay. Gotcha. I’m on board with that. Oh man.

A concern: McCain’s speech came first. He expressed smart ideas, but it was a snore to listen to him. Obama, in contrast, was on fire and had the crowd revved. McCain’s audience, in contrast, only politely applauded. It’s too bad. Oratory is no reason to vote for someone. Ever. But I’m afraid it’s going to have undue influence in this election.

(I’ll look for the text of both speeches and post the links.)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHjFxJVeCQs dgr

    I have been spreading this one because it needs to be seen by every one you can possibly get it to:

    Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

    • hadenough

      Jimmy Carter left office in 1981. You are saying the cause of today’s ‘crisis’ is something that happened more than 27 years ago? You think the today’s mortgage problems are because of 27 year old mortgages? Please stop.

      • lark

        Is more something that happened in Europe some 100 years ago.

      • Zeke

        Had,
        Quite simply,
        You don’t know shit. This situation is the result of a very long term battle between rules and money. I gave up my career over this fraud that was being shoved down our throats over five years ago and I knew then that it was de-reg that was causing it.
        Read a book called “Belly Up: The Collapse of the Penn Square Bank” by Phillip L. Zweig …
        Or, since you may find the big words a little scary, have a grownup with you to explain them. Don’t bring your weak ass punk shit in here and think you’ll out-brain this crowd.
        You aren’t even talking to the “A” team here. If you want your dumb ass really chewed, toss a smart ass comeback with data you think will make your point and one of our resident economists will finish you education.
        See ya, numbnuts

        • hadenough

          Ha! You are a child.

          • Zeke

            You are a dick. And sonny, I haven’t been anyone’s child in a long while.

            • red_sleeves

              Somebody needs a hug. Not naming any names, ….(but it starts with a ‘Z’ and rhymes with ‘Zeke’).

              Seriously, cheer up. Things aren’t that bad. For my own personal day-to-day motivation I keep an audio file of several seconds of Bush speaking and an image of Alan Colmes. These remind me of how much worse my life could be.

              • Zeke

                Sleeves,
                thanks… you’re right. The Alan Colmes reference was like a bucket of cold water!
                I had to let go of a friend of over thirty years last night over this shit and I’ve been too damn cranky!

      • kgirl1028

        You know contrary to moronic belief, yes things people do can affect them even years or decades down the road. events feed off of each other. It’s what you call a snow ball effect.

        • tek

          Bwahahaha!! That’s what happens with DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS, no? Because Republicans always blame all their presidents’ goofs on whatever previous Democrat was in office, no matter how many years they have to go back!

      • Alyssa

        You obviously have little understanding of policies and politics. A leader’s policies can either help us or harm us for decades…

        Just look at the Social Security crisis. It has gradually gotten worse over a long span of time.

        • hadenough

          Whoo! That’s a good one. Social security is exactly the wrong pick. It has worked great since 1935. Today SS will more than pay it’s own way until at least 2019 and has enough reserve to pay expected costs until at least 2052. As in the past there wil be some slight adjustments but pols don’t dare destroy SS. So bad pick.

      • Zelda Crunch

        Hey hadenough. I accept that some people are congenitally stupid. Like you. But I will never accept their immature arrogance.

        When the person says the root is in a bill from 1977 they’re telling the truth. So do the fucking research like the rest of us here and stop abusing people. You fuckhead.

      • Archimedes, give me a place to stand…

        Uhmm…excuse me. Linking a 3 decades old legislative creation(Fannie&Freddie)reinventing mortgage banking, the most common loan being a 30yr mortgage, cascading into repercusions nearly 30 thirty years later does not stretch the imaination.

        In point of fact, the synchronicity of it seems beyond just plausibility and flirt with edges of certaintity.

        Unless you’re committed to willful blindness to the obvious.

      • tzada

        Well our Middle East conflict leads directly to Jimmy Carters door. Him and Brzezinski. Now Barack Obama is working with Brzesinski and Carter is in the shadows.

      • Linda

        It started 27 years ago. But the law was expanded in the 90s, and that is really what set the stage. There was a study done and the study showed discrimatory lending. Later it was found that the report was misinterpreted and there actually wasn’t discrimatory lending, but it was too late by then. It forced banks to take on unwise lending practives, threatening them with fines if they did not lower their standards for lending money. That is where sub prime mortages came from, to enable people more “affordable housing”. People who probably should have never been qulified for the loan in the first place. It did away with the down payment and found ways to lower the monthy payment, like paying on the interest and not the principal the first few years. . Problem is the interest rate went up and with it their mortage, people had been paying on the interest and then had to pay on the prinicpal, and they culdn’t afford it. Then the buble crashed and they couldn’t sell the house before it was forclsed. Freddie and Frannie took that and made it worse, and they became some dem’s piggy bank. They make Enron look honest. Remember all the outrage over Enron??? Don’t see alot of outrage now do you.

    • Zeke

      If you want to know what happened and how it happened or you want to explain it to someone, SEE THIS VIDEO!

      dgr,
      Thanks for sharing, I know I will!

    • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

      I made a backup of that video with original music, so if the lawyers take down the one you posted link to, there is still the original video available here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeJ6d-TsQ1U

    • Monet

      Someone who wasn’t around in 1977 when it was difficult for minorities to obtain mortgages, especially in white neighborhoods. The bill wasn’t designed to hand out mortgages to high risk home buyers, but to make it easier for minorities to obtain mortgages that their incomes qualified them for.

      No one could have foreseen that ACORN would jump on the law, twist and turn it and use it to coerce banks to write high risk loans for people who would never be able to pay them off.

  • Leisa

    Thanks Susan and thank you Bill Clinton!!

    • rwc

      Clinton deserves no veneration, at least among those who got the pointy end of his economic shaft.

      Clinton fucked up a lot of things like pushing NAFTA which helped put millions of American factory workers out of a job and turned the white working class against the Democratic party.

      And Clinton never apologized for NAFTA and the damage it caused to our manufacturing sector.

      Of course I don’t expect a bunch of six figure income office workers who worship Clinton to give a shit about those he screwed.

      As far as killing Glass-Stegall, Clinton signed into law legislation pushed by a senator(and wife) who was and still owned by the banking industry. Legislation that was practically written by them.

      Clinton only deserves scorn.

      • Lizzy

        Jobs were being exported for more than twenty years before Clinton became the President; you can thank Unca Ronnie R. for the messed up job markets.

      • Monet

        NAFTA was not a Clinton creation. NAFTA was drafted during the Reagan and Bush administrations. Regardless of who won the 1992 election, NAFTA was going to be signed into law. In fact, I had a class in law school in 1988 on NAFTA and it was at that time nearly completed.

        Manufacturing jobs began moving out of the US long before NAFTA and if NAFTA had never existed, they would have continued moving out of the country.

        • Mary

          NAFTA was actually signed by George Bush Sr. in November, right before Clinton took office in January.

          What CLINTON did, was add labor and environmental requirements to it.

          Those requirements became law, but were not enforced under George Bush II.

        • Mary

          NAFTA was actually signed by George Bush Sr. in November, right before Clinton took office in January.

          What CLINTON did, was add labor and environmental requirements to it.

          Those requirements became law, but were not enforced under George Bush II.

  • standard

    wrong nominee @#*!

    • beebop

      A FREAKING MEN … or rather a WOMAN ….

  • wac for hillary

    Susan – What’s having undue influence in this election and the past two is a corrupt media and greedy corporations/people, pushing their own agenda at our expense.

    I shudder when I think of the possibility that the Democratic Party (in its current state) could control our entire government. Talk about a real recipe for disaster!

  • benny

    this is strange. Obama really thinks that he can lead us to salvation…..and he kept repeating it at different times….this is scary.

    Obama Thinks He is Our Savior” -Bizarre You Tube/ Audio of Obama surfaces”

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=xuaDC8SGxAM

  • Cindy

    Obama up 8 pts in Florida. Bill is campaigning for Obama in Florida today.

    It’s over, Hillary dead-enders!

    • joseyj

      With the CORPORATE media and press and their Wall Street sponsors – promoting Obama 24/7 and CONCEALING damaging info about him – it’s not surprising that the nominee receiving the MOST DONATIONS from Fannie and Freddie is ahead in the polls.

      Obamabots, consider yourselves bamboozled:
      I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. – Obama, The Audacity of Hope

    • lark

      If its over for us is also over for you. Don’t think that you’ll fare any better. Stand in line in front of me for whatever it is Der OFehurer will dictate.

    • Obama: An Ego you can Believe in!

      Not so fast, Kool-Aider, Daily Gallup has Obama sinking and McCain surging once again. They’ll be all tied up again soon as Mccain and Palin keep exposing who really is to blame for our economic fiasco. :-)

      http://gallup.com/Home.aspx

      • http://deleted YES HRC

        Not that polls matter THAT much, but wooohooooooo! I knew I heard this morning that BO dropped 5 points overnight. In this Year of the Dem, amid financial chaos, BO should be 10-15 up.

        • http://www.stillstacy.com Stacy The Republican

          Don’t know if it’s any comfort, but AOL’s straw poll has been running around 60% McCain 40% Obama. Yes it’s a straw poll, but being that pollsters are targeting voter demographics, I’m putting more merit with the AOL poll.

          • Zeke

            Thanbks Stacy,
            Seattle Moss! Buddy, I TOOOLLLDDD YOOUUU!
            :)

            • Pennsylvania goes RED!

              With the MSM big guns in the tank for N0bama,
              the debates rigged in favor of the n0bama binBiden team, McCain is still on the Zero’s tail.

              Mark my words, there is going to be an unscripted (explosive) moment from the 0ne. He can not take the pressure. In the first debate with McCain, when McCain called him out, 0bama looked like he wanted to kill him.

              No wonder McCain never met his gaze. He probably would have collapsed in laughter.

              • Zeke

                :)

              • Zelda Crunch

                Not collapsed in laughter – erupted in rage. Mac hates Obama.

        • Zelda Crunch

          Obama dropped 5 overnight? Aw woo-hoo. Expect it to drop even more. Zogby said McCain would win by a landslide.

      • paddyJ

        Yes! And Gallup describes BO’s drop from an 8 point lead to 4 as a “slight narrowing”. Gee, looks more like a 50% lead loss to me.

    • suskin

      That’s just one poll. Polls change. Interesting that you use the term “dead-enders”.

      • jwrjr

        Is it possible that Cindy is a “dead-brainer”?

        • lark

          dead-brainer

    • candymarl

      Let’s say you’re right and Obama wins.

      As President he’ll be held to an even higher standard. He’s done little of note up to this point.

      Will the country have to keep promoting him to get him to go to work?

      Chicago schools are a mess and violence in some them is out of control. He’s done nothing about that. If he can’t fix things in his own backyard how is he going to ‘heal’ the country?

      If he gets into the WH will he continue to accuse all who disagree of racism?

      Firing up a crowd is great. MLK could do it. But he also put his freedom and life on the line and got actual laws passed. When has Obama ever done all of that?

      • http://www.deathofthedemocraticparty.com xax

        If Obama wins I guarantee he do everything McCain is thinking of doing. ie lower cap gains and corporate taxes. And I’m pretty dang sure he’s going to raise taxes on EVERYBODY!!!

        So while it may feel good to say I told you so, they won’t be feeling that good when their candidate of “change” takes all their change.

        • Maverick

          the Obama tax plan adds up to a 39.6% personal income tax, a 52.2% combined income and payroll tax, a 28% capital-gains tax, a 39.6% dividends tax, and a 55% estate tax.

      • Zelda Crunch

        Daley wants the 2016 Olympics and he expects Obama to help him get it. This isn’t a matter of pride – it’s an obscene cash cow.

    • tek

      I’m cool with it. I’ll still cast my vote for McCain. Obama will be the biggest disaster in history, worse even than Dubya. That’s be the end of these pod people running the DNC.

      • Zeke

        If Obama is elected, there will not be any “next time.”
        Children under Education Director Ayers’ authority will fill out their “What Mommy and Daddy Say and Do” reports.
        The new National Police Force will be there to protect us domestically so we won’t need to have guns anymore and the kids will be able to tell Uncle Frank (formerly Uncle Sam) where they all are.
        Since it will be vital in these drastic times, an emergency tax will be implemented to pay for the World Poverty Relief act which will cede US military authority to the UN. The new revised Bail Out of the Bail Out under Democratic control and directed by one of his failed bank financial leaders will place the blame right where they want it…
        On us, the taxpayers.

        There is no way to describe the results of an Obama victory other than to say that it will be the end of our Republic. America will become a socialist, second rate nation, taxing itself to death out of a desire to perpetuate a Marxist lie that was old when Trotsky was killed.
        Of course, one oversight on the Obama camp’s part still looms.
        How is he going to separate all those bitter “Clingers” from their Second Amendment devices. Mine shall be given up one projectile at a time.
        I refuse to see my country “go gentle into that dark night.”
        There will be no dying of the light while I hold breath!

        • Zelda Crunch

          I have to wonder about this obsession – this fetish – with guns. You’re literally killing each other like senseless childish babies. Have you seen the worldwide statistics? Seen that South Africa is one of the few nations worse off in this regard? (And I won’t go into the causes which are so similar to those in the U.S.)

          You don’t need guns. You need a life. Right now you have no life. Put bluntly, you have no clue what you are missing.

          • Zeke

            Zelda,
            You have no clue what you will be missing until its too late. This is no place to discuss your fear of violence. Cowards want peace at no cost and get what they are willing to pay for. When someone wants to take what you have, you get to choose to give it to them or keep it.
            That choice only lasts as long as you are willing to defend it. How does it feel to live in a jar? I’ve always wondered.
            The life I have is a good one with solid friends who know what is what. They don’t go around with friggin’ daisies in their hair, waving the “peace wand” and hoping things will get better. They fight for their country and their families. They look at weaklings who haven’t got the courage to stand up for themselves like you as excess baggage, fools who think that a smattering of fairy dust will make it all better.
            Pull your stupid head from your ass and get real.
            Obama is a clear and present threat to our Republic because of the policies he wishes to force on us.
            There will be no “next election” if he wins.
            sheeple….

    • QUEENIE

      to CINDY.. this is one former dem delegate from Fla..who will never vote for Obama and most the people I have worked with in my large county for many many many years….also will never vote for Obama..

      Oh and p.s. doll..I was not a Hillary supporter..but I am a supporter of country first!!

      and No way, No how..Obama..and PS again..I am sending in my absentee ballot today..and it will be the first time in my 38 years of voting ..I will be voting Republican..and BECAUSE OF JERKS LIKE THE OBAMABOTS..

      I WILL NOT EVEN VOTE DEM DOWN TICKET!

      FROM A LIFELONG WORKING DEM.. hell will freeze over before i would ever vote Obama..my nation is too important to me!!

      McCain/Palin 08 …COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!

    • SJ

      The way I look at it is if Obama was so far ahead in the polls in Florida there would be no need to senf Bill there, so I will take those polls with a pinch of salt.

      As for the Clinton’s I have lost all respect for them they are nothing but two people that would do anything say anything to remain in politics a have some say in it.

      If Obama does win this election and fails at it history will be very unkind to the Clinton’s its unfortunate that they don’t think about that when they are now singing praises to a man that they know is incapable of running this country, its really sad the state of politics in the USA

      • Karma

        If they didn’t stay involved with Obama and the DNC there would be hell to pay. Look how Joe is treated for doing the same.

        Most importantly, they are the last President and First Lady of the Democratic party.

        She is a sitting Senator of an important state. So to expect them not to support the party is getting worked up over something that can’t be changed. It isn’t worth the effort and would make her less effective as a Senator for NY.

        And really, why do you expect them to give up the fight for their party? Wouldn’t history judge them poorly for not fighting the good fight?

        Anyway, if the Clinton weren’t out there ‘supporting’ Obama. Not only would Obama have won in defining the Clinton as racists. He would continue with the revisionist history attacks on President Clinton’s Admin.

        So I wouldn’t shut up either and if stumping for down ticket Dems and Obama keeps the cameras rolling. Then the fight continues and the Clintons can prove themselves to be the true politicians in the room. While helping the party and those down ticket Dems ignored by Obama.

        Besides, we would have never heard all these great quotes from Bill.

        Sorry but the Pres is a riot while making the case for Obama. ;)

        • Diana L. C.

          Totally agree!

      • Linda

        I live in Florida. I don’t think BO will take it. McCain support does seem to have weakened a little since the wallstreet thing, people just seem confused. But it isn’t by alot. I don’t think McCain will win it by as big of a margin as he would have, but I think he will still win it. I still see more McCain signs than Obama ones. And just notice too that Bill is singing out of both sides of his face. He barely supports Obama, talks in generalities, sends A-bombs at him and the democrats in congress just about every chance he gets. Blamed the democrats for this mess. And BO seems to be oblivous to it. It is hillarous to watch. He hasn’t endorced McCain but he has. I would bet money that when he is in the privacy of that booth he pulls the lever for McCain. I actually have more respect for him watching this than I did before. He completely destroyed him with that Bill Vs. Barrack on banks deal. It has been a lot of fun to wait and see what A-Bomb he’s going to drop on the messiah’s head next. LOL!

    • Karma

      The only poll that truly matters is the one taken on Nov 4. ;)

    • WestPalm2008

      Lol, WHERE did they poll? South Florida only?

    • vinnie

      Only an idiot would say it’s over when there is the month of October to consider. This is what you get, the pompousness will be your downfall. Wasn’t Kerry ahead in the polls at this time as well?

      • Linda

        yes he was. As a matter fact, it was by the same margin too, and at the same time, right after the first debate. And you heard the same rhetoric. Everyone was sure he would be the next pres. But I don’t think he ever got much up past 50% either.I think he did more than Obama is though. These polls are used to discourage us. They won’t be even close to accurate until the week before the election, because then they watnt to be right. But until then it is playing politics and playing with out minds. These are MSM polls.

    • rapp

      That was a liberal polster. They always go to the left.

  • Sue

    Susan, I also watched both speeches. Obama is nothing but rhetoric, McCain has great ideas and the experience to make them work. However, if he doesn’t get out of this fog that he seems to be in, he’s going to lose this election.

    Frankly, I wonder what he and his advisors are thinking. I know I sound like a broken record, but he needs to start fighting back. I’m getting a bit tired of the “reach across the aisle” crap. I, for one, would like to see this something of the famous temper everyone talks about. I’m seeing nothing even close to it.

    I’m hoping the debate tomorrow night will put the campaign back on track.

    Go Sarah!!!

    • lark

      Obama is Hillary plus McCain, plus some cheap American history comic book quotations. None other than Der Ofehurer reincarnate.

  • Independently Minded

    I have a favorite quote by John Fletcher…”Deeds, not words shall speak me.” Obama is nothing but words. Pretty speaches don’t mean squat. Obama has never done anything, that I can see, that has ever benefitted anyone but himself.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Do you think if a conservaive (me) wrote Mr. Clinton a letter expressing my deepest thanks for his Anti-Barryism that he would appreciate it?

    I haven’t decided to myself what Mr. Clinton’s motivation is. I want to believe that he’s putting country first, but I think he’s making sure that the man who implied that Mr. Clinton is racist (which is a vicious lie) loses this election.

    • Urban Hillbilly

      Yes, he would appreciate it. Bill Clinton is very smart. He has a photographic memory. When Pres. Clinton says he has studied something and goes on to explain it, you can believe it.

  • Ginger

    The MSM was mad at Clinton so they coddled Bush…we got a crappy President. They were scared after 9-11 and gave of Bush 2.0…..they are now mad at Bush so they are giving us Obama…..someone needs to give the MSM a giant Xanax and send them to the Bahama’s next election cycle. Their knee jerk response is screwing up our country, our economy and our thinking. Calm rational thinking is needed to decide the future course we should take, not just a nervous twisting of the wheel in the opposite direction. If you drive this way on an icy road you end up in a ditch. Icy, slippery roads require smooth reactions, by steering into the skid, not away from it….all they are doing is putting the whole thing into a spin we may or may not recover from.

  • http://deleted YES HRC

    Susan, thanks for posting the Op Ed piece.

    Bill is all Democrat, but I don’t see either Bill or Hill as being too enthusiastic about The One.

    Re their oratory styles, BO’s voice grates on me because he’s a phony thug. I don’t look at the package. We should be looking at record, judgment, capability, and ethics.

    • joseyj

      I love the way Bill Clinton gets in his digs at Oblahma.

      • http://deleted YES HRC

        Oh, he’s good, isn’t he. The Clintons are obviously Country First, too, and that trumps party.

        • MikeG

          Which is why they’ve both endorsed Barack Obama.

          • http://deleted YES HRC

            Hehehe BO isn’t the only one who can be sly. We Dems know Clintonspeak, and they will never fully back BO and Co because of his dirty tactics.

            • MikeG

              I guess I hold them in higher regard than you do. They are both quite capable of speaking directly. No need to be “sly.”

              • vinnie

                What goes on in the voting booth is between the voter and a check mark on the ballot. President Clinton, don’t forget candidate Y…wink wink.

              • http://deleted YES HRC

                Pay attention, read between the lines with comments like this, on Fox today:

                Bill Clinton said, “Nobody in the entire Senate understands things better than Biden.” (paraphrase)

                That hurts.

                • Jules

                  Well, he has to come up with something that isn’t an outright lie. HA!

                  Watching Bill Clinton skate around Obama’s inexperience is just hilarious. Must see TV.

    • jwrjr

      Perhaps Bill and Hillary are Democrats, but not obamacrats.

  • hadenough

    Tax cuts for corporations? They have to be kidding.

    In 2005 about 65% of U.S.-Controlled Corporations (USCC) reported no tax liability. Please don’t take my word for it see page 27:
    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08957.pdf

    Why would corps need more tax breaks?

    • WestPalm2008

      My friend has a “corporation” for his self-run business.

      Not every corporation is a giant conglomerate.

    • rapp

      It is mainly small businesses. They pay regular income tax. Income tax is less for most people that own small businesses.

    • Jules

      BECAUSE THEY WEREN’T MAKING ANY MONEY. YOU DON’T PAY TAXES WHEN YOU ARE LOSING MONEY.

    • Jules

      I am incredibly sick of hearing about this. Corporations are not evil. There are a few bad seeds just like there are bad people. But businesses are vitally important—where else are you going to work??? If a corporation does not make a profit, how the hell are they going to give anyone jobs. Do you have any idea how hard it is to make a profit in business? I do. Just because you open the doors doesn’t mean you are making money. It is VERY DIFFICULT TO TURN A PROFIT. There are a large number of businesses not making a profit, and you do not pay taxes on your profits WHEN YOU AREN’T MAKING ANY MONEY.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Open Thead;

    David Kays article on Iranian WMD.

    http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=19670

  • wodiej

    The crowd at the Republican convention was pretty revved up. However, all conservatives do not have that type of demeanor, in fact, probably the majority don’t. Just because they don’t jump up and down and scream like a bunch of wild banshees is not an indication that Obama will win.

  • benny

    We all believe that Bush is the worst president ever. Believe me, if obama is elected, bush is gonna look like an angel. a year from now, bush will look like a misguided bible-thumper. obama will CHANGE america, till we cant even recognize it.

    • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

      Carter is the worst President ever.

      Bush will be somewhere in the middle.

      • Perry Logan

        Dubyah is The Worst President Ever™–except that he was never really President. ;-)

        The Right seems to have decided to beat up on Jimmy Carter. But these stats suggest they’re out to lunch:

        Job Growth Per Year Under Most Recent Presidents:

        Johnson 3.8%
        Carter 3.1
        Clinton 2.4
        Kennedy 2.3
        Nixon 2.3
        Reagan 2.1
        Bush 0.6

        • Freedom Fighter

          Perry is right! Jimmy Carter is one of the great presidents of our time. The fact that President Carter, also a Nobel Peace Prize holder is whole heartedly endorsing Barack Obama is really saying a lot. It’s time to reverse the policies of Reagan and Bush, and return to the progressive policies of Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

          • benny

            lol rofl

          • Perry Logan

            Modesty forbids. In terms of economic growth, as you can see, he was only the second greatest.

            Imagine what he could have done without that pesky oil embargo. :)

          • candymarl

            If Obama is so “progressive” why is he running ads in my state claiming that he’s in the center?

            These ads highlight many good ideas. All proposed by Hillary Clinton.

            Obama is now touting himself as a centrist.
            What excuse will his progressive followers come up with for that?

            Probably the same one they’ll use to excuse his right-wing, anti-gay, Faith and Family Values tour.

          • Jillie

            you’re joking, right? inflation, gas lines, hostages…carter is right behind bush as the most inept president ever.

        • rapp

          Where do you get this info? Carter had over 10% unemployment. Reagan had about 7%. The Carter years were tough, I remember.

          • Maverick

            Long unemployment lines under Carter and longtime manufacturing companies closing for good. It was awful.

        • PurpleDragon2

          Hey Perry, why don’t you reveal this is a made up stat from a HuffPo article?

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-fiderer/the-simple-arithmetic-of_b_97655.html

  • Leibniz08

    Bill Clinton Was/Is A big part of the Evil that caused
    this crisis starting with NAFTA

    …No matter what nice things LaRouche has to say about Bill.

    The house of cards (Wall Street) almost all came down in 1998 with the Asian Crisis and the DOT Com bubble collapse.

    The Derivatives Black Hole really started to grow around Clinton/Greenspan That is a fact. Also the whole
    90′s boom was in part due to housing housing housing housing housing-Destroy farmland for McMansions…

    McCain is an idiot not a maverick, with Obama the other Wall Street Catamite!

    Yes we are screwed with these options. McCain had a chance to be a maverick to say not to Wall Street, but he flinched under Paulson’s torture.

  • pm317

    Susan, you may want to highlight this last para from the article:

    Mr. Obama’s “deregulation” trope may be good politics, but it’s bad history and is dangerous if he really believes it. The U.S. is going to need a stable, innovative financial system after this panic ends, and we won’t get that if Mr. Obama and his media chorus think the answer is to return to Depression-era rules amid global financial competition. Perhaps the Senator should ask the former President for a briefing.

  • Hank

    Obama Backers Worry His Race Will Hurt Him in `Middletown, USA’.

    It’s not his race it’s him.

    • candymarl

      There’s that race card again. The trouble is, it’s starting to backfire in some southern states.

      People in the south and ‘Middletown USA’ are uninformed idiots. Although you wouldn’t know that if you listen to ‘Obama backers’.

      People are tired of being accused of stupidity and racism because they don’t have an Ivy League degree.
      That’s what’s hurting Obama. But his brilliant Ivy League backers can’t see that.

      • candymarl

        Meant to say “aren’t uniunformed idioys”.

        • candymarl

          That’s aren’t uninformed idiots.

          Bad proof reading and bad keyboard! Ha.

      • churl

        “It ain’t his pigmentation, it’s his pigmentality.”

  • tek

    What exactly do you mean “Mr. Clinton wasn’t wrong about everything?” You sound like a neocon. Bill Clinton wasn’t wrong about anything except Monica. George W. Bush chose to ignore the regulations that were still in this bill. You Republicans can’t pin this crisis on Bill Clinton when it was Dubya who gave the surplus to billionaires, started an unnecessary war that is costing us to date $500 billion borrowed from China, allowed corporations and the whole financial sector to operate with no oversight or regulation. This is a conservative policy problem.

    The trouble is, Obama prefers Ronald Reagan’s trickle down theory.

    • wodiej

      NO, the Republicans tried to pass regulation in 2004, didn’t you see that video link that was posted a few days ago? Know who was against it? ALL DEMOCRATS. While the Republicans are not blameless, they did try to pass regulations, Democrats wouldn’t. They have been in charge for 2 YEARS AND DONE NOTHING.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    I loved this line from the article:

    Mr. Clinton: “Not on this bill I don’t think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can’t possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I’d be glad to look at the evidence.

  • fred

    EXCLUSIVE: Pelosi paid husband with PAC funds

    Thieves In the Temple

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband’s real estate and investment firm over the past decade, a practice of paying a spouse with political donations that she supported banning last year.

    Financial Leasing Services Inc. (FLS), owned by Paul F. Pelosi, has received
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

    • Urban Hillbilly

      She is as corrupt as Delay ever was!…well, almost.

  • lark

    Bill Clinton singing the praises for Obama a day after the Obama children sang their songs.

    Polozi paying her husband and herself 100K for being there with a glass of water.

    Nothing wrong there. Bending the minds in order to usher change for America. America, China and Russia triumvirate. Your children are going to love it. They better.

  • hadenough

    90’s boom was in part due to housing housing housing housing housing-Destroy farmland for McMansions…

    Really? There must have been a huge boom in building starts during the 90s right? Have I got that right? A huge boom in building starts? That must be what happened during the 90s ‘housing housing housing-Destroy farmland for McMansions’. Would I be correct in assuming that the ‘housing housing housing-Destroy farmland for McMansions’ you say happened would mean there was a huge boom in building starts? I’ll assume you agree:
    http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?sectionid=819&genericcontentid=554&channelID=311

    Housing starts in the 90s pretty much follow earlier housing starts.

    Couple of questions:
    How do you explain the fact that housing starts did not boom huge during the 90s? How do you explain the fact there was more housing starts in 1978 than any year of the 90s?

    Thanks in advance.

  • HARP

    What luck for rulers that men do not think.

    Adolf Hitler

  • OhVoter

    I know this is OT but a favorite pro-McCain anti-Obama video of mine is approaching 10 million views. Some 527 group should pick up this video and run it as an ad. Let’s get it over the 10 million mark.

    I don’t support the Iraq War but I certainly support and respect the soldiers who have given so much for their country. I also support responsible withdrawal from Iraq which I believe McCain can accomplish much better than Obama and the Democrats.

    “Dear Mr. Obama”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

    • sjc-tx

      Aye that video gives me chills… It is well done. Makes the point! But that should read ONE million not 10.

      • OhVoter

        The video has 9,969,115 views. It is approaching TEN million.

        • OhVoter

          If you search on Obama and sort according to view count this video is very near the top, just behind the Yes We Can Music Video by only 60,000 votes. I would love to see it surpass Obama’s stupid celebrity filled Obama cult “Yes We Can Video”

    • lark

      I am totally humbled.

  • lark

    The idiot Hugo Chavez think that Russia will allow him to withhold selling crude to the U.S. What stupid fool. Venezuela is in the Southern Hemisphere. Ha. Like anything in the Southern Hemisphere has any more value than women or Hillary or Sarah Palin to men of the Northern hemisphere and Bill Clinton.

    In the years to come, the U.N. will become completely irrelevant and so will the G8 nations and forget about McCain’s League of Democracies. That’s out.

    What’s in under Obama will be a Northern hemisphere triumvirate between the U.S., China and Russia; not necessarily in that order.

    I hope you like it. Is going to be awesome.

  • benny

    Thank you, President Clinton. He is absolutely honest and says it like it is. during his presidency, the repubs really demonised him. but he aint gonna blame anybody unfairly. well done, Mr. President. wish he still was our president.

    • lark

      He has a pretty face, doesn’t he?

  • lark

    Bill Schools Barack – about wife’s issues, about women issues and about how to merge America, China and Russia into a nice little package. The guy. What a nice guy.

  • benny

    this is strange. Obama really thinks that he can lead us to salvation…..and he kept repeating it at different times….this is scary.

    Obama Thinks He is Our Savior” -Bizarre You Tube/ Audio of Obama surfaces”

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=xuaDC8SGxAM

  • Penny3
  • http://hickeysite.blogspot.com Pat Hickey

    GoooooooooooooooooooooBubba!!!

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Not Your sweetie

    But Obama loves deregulation! He said so!
    OT, poll finds Obama’s new voters are not that into elections.
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/will-new-voters-show-up-to-vote/

  • Penny3

    In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.

    Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.

    There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these contributions, since Obama’s Sept. 20 report specified that Good Will’s cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $9,375.

    In an e-mailed response to a query from Newsmax, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt pledged that the campaign would return the donations. But given the slowness with which the campaign has responded to earlier FEC queries, there’s no guarantee that the money will be returned before the Nov. 4 election.

    Similarly, a donor identified as “Pro, Doodad,” from “Nando, NY,” gave $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most of these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You,” just as Good Will had done.

    But in some of them, he didn’t even go this far, apparently picking letters at random to fill in the blanks on the credit card donation form. In these cases, he said he was employed by “VCX” and that his profession was “VCVC.”

    Following FEC requests, the Obama campaign began refunding money to Doodad Pro in February 2008. In all, about $8,425 was charged back to a credit card. But that still left a net total of $11,165 as of Sept. 20, way over the individual limit of $4,600.

    Here again, LaBolt pledged that the contributions would be returned but gave no date.

    In February, after just 93 donations, Doodad Pro had already gone over the $2,300 limit for the primary. He was over the $4,600 limit for the general election one month later.

    In response to FEC complaints, the Obama campaign began refunding money to Doodad Pro even before he reached these limits. But his credit card was the gift that kept on giving. His most recent un-refunded contributions were on July 7, when he made 14 separate donations, apparently by credit card, of $25 each.

    Just as with Mr. Good Will, there can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed the contributions, since its Sept. 20 report specified that Doodad’s cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $10,965.

    Foreign Donations

    http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html

  • Penny3

    Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign

  • http://anvp.typepad.com/soldier4hillary/ soldier4hillary

    OH MY GOD! Has anyone seen the video where they are picking up homeless people off the street to register and vote in Ohio? This is the shit those damn Move On.org people were doing here yesterday. I am speechless.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/01/homeless-ohioans-for-obama-registering-in-droves/

    • SJ

      My God and these are the people that will help elect this man to office? I have never seen anything like this, this election is a joke I am feeling sorry for my country to think what lies ahead.

    • John Smith

      The Obama campaign is going to be in big trouble if they have to pick up homeless people to try to win the election. Really how many homeless people are there in Ohio ?Plus how do they know who they will be voting for. It could really backfire at the end.

    • Boxer Mum 06

      This is utterly disgusting. You have to check out the link soldier posted above.

      It’s a perfect opportunity for them to come in, register at a temporary address like a homeless shelter or a YMCA or something like that. They can register at that address because they don’t know where they’re going to be tomorrow or next week.”

      All this and no Bruce Springsteen or Billy Joel?

    • http://redhotandbluepolitics.com grlpatriot

      Believe it or not MSNBC has a word to say about it:

      Democrat Barack Obama’s presidential campaign blitzed bars and advocates for the homeless have lined up vans to ferry potential voters from shelters.

      • 30yrdem-not any more

        This is what he did in caucus states…I guess we were wrong when we said there are no caucus states in the GE for him to steal..

    • rwc

      Typical Democratic practice given that is a important voter group for the Democratic party.

      Why do you think Democrats are the first out there to fight voter ID initiatives?

      They want a system that is open to fraud.

    • rapp

      There taking college students from place to place, also.

  • benny

    McCain, yessss…… Mccain smacks down a reporter who questions sarah palins experience. way to go, john……

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/01/video-mccain-gets-testy-over-medias-criticism-of-palin/

  • fred

    Using panic to pass pork: look what taxpayers will pay for

    The New Bill Includes

    Here are some of the special-interest provisions that are now part of the Wall Street bailout legislation. The bill started at 3 pages, grew to 106 pages, and is now 451 pages.

    * Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
    * Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
    * 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)
    * Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
    * American Samoa (Sec. 309)
    * Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
    * Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
    * Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
    * Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
    * Railroads (Sec. 316)
    * Auto Racing Tracks (317)
    * District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
    * Wool Research (Sec. 325)

    little RUM and RACING all on the taxpayers dime.
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • John Smith

    Some one needs to Make up a mini bus and put a 60 inch Plama screen on each side and start playing the videos showing who caused the financial mess. They need to get at least 20 or 30 of these buses out there over the next few weeks in the battle ground states. Go to flee markets and in other areas. You know that the news media will pick this up.

    I saw a interview with McCain today and he is still very quite about everything. I hope he actually knows something that we don’t or he is waiting for the bill to pass before he goes ahead with bashing the democrats.

    I just don’t understand how he can be so laid back bout what is going on right now.

  • hadenough

    ben smith’s leg tingles:

    You knew this was coming. A friend forwards over an ad from the “adult gigs” section of Craigslist in Los Angeles.

    The slightly redacted ad:

    NEED SARAH PALIN LOOKALIKE ASAP FOR ADULT FILM (LA)]
    Date: 2008-09-10, 8:20PM PDT

    Looking for a Sarah Palin lookalike for an adult film to be shot in next 10 days.

    Major adult studio.

    Please send pix, stats etc. ASAP

    Pay: $2000-3000

    * Location: LA
    * Compensation: $2000-3000
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/You_know_youve_made_it_when.html?showall

    An excited smith emails the ad poster. A disappointed smith gets his email returned:
    UPDATE: The email address associated with the ad appears not to work, suggesting it’s one of the many fake listings on Craigslist…

    But its not hopeless. smith says he found more Palin porno ads:
    There are, however, two other ads seeking Palin characters on the same board.

    They are children.

    • Urban Hillbilly

      Has Ben Smith always been this slimy?

  • IndieDogg

    I have the Burning Down the House video in both Microsoft Media Video (.wmv) and QuickTime (.mov) formats if anyone wants it sent to someone. Just let me know. Yes, sorry, I will need the email address. They then receive an e-mail with a link to the location where they can download the actual video (not YouTube or a hosting service so it can’t be deleted by the “scrubbers” out there for YKWho).

  • edgar08

    That’s great but the WSJ doesn’t really tell the whole truth either and leaves out what Bill said about the uptick rule.

  • mary

    No real dilemma in this election. Choice betwen “Tweedle Dee” and “Tweedle DumbO”

    Interesting that Kenneth Galbraith just recently wrote in the WashingPost and reaffirmed HIllary Clinton’s own wise proposal of over a year ago to start up a Home Ownership Loan Corp to assist and pay off mortgages. This, economists agree, would have helped avoid altogether the current crisis.

    HILLARY WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH THE SOLUTION TO AVOID THIS MESS…A YEAR AND A HALF AGO! and KENNETH GALBRAITH CONFIRMED THIS…..

    • Zelda Crunch

      The diff is Hill and Bill work for the country. Nancy P, Howard D, Donna B do not – they work for their own greedo interests.

  • http://deleted YES HRC

    On Fox: Bill Clinton said “Nobody in the entire Senate understands things better than Biden.” (paraphrase)

    Ouch. So sorry, Senator Obama. Next?

  • http://COMMENT thierry

    WE DON’T CARE ABOUT WHO IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY.THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR NOW.ALL THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE JUST IN THIS CRITICAL MOMENT LOOKING FOR A HISTORY MAKING ELECTION ARE JUST OUT OF TOUCH;ESPECIALLY WITH AN INEXPERIENCED GUY LIKE OBAMA.IS THE HISTORY MAKING GOING TO HELP US SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS?WE NEED A PERSON WHO IS READY TO MAKE HISTORY AND ALSO READY TO DELIVER FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.HILLARY WAS AND STILL THE BEST CHOICE FOR DEMOCRATS.FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT AND THE MOST QUALIFIED TO LEAD THIS GREAT NATION ON DAY ONE.VOTING FOR OBAMA IS LIKE ENDORSING THE FRAUDS GOING ON IN THE PARTY.BEING DEMOCRATS DOESN’T MEAN WE ARE STUPID ENOUGH OR BLIND ENOUGH TO ACCEPT WHOEVER IS NOT CHOOSEN,BUT SELECTED AGAINST THE WILL OF WE THE PEOPLE
    MCCAIN/PALIN 2008