Obamacare Screws Low-Income Seniors and Disabled

So people who are unable to work should just “piss off”? Lovely.  Would you just ask Congress to pass a bill offering euthanasia so that they can all get out of YOUR country?

DUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH told you so.   

Then when people who cant afford their pych meds go out and mass murder people at mcdonalds they will scratch their heads and wonder why.      DUUHHHHHHHHHHH

f it had been good for America, backtrack would not have wanted it All it does is so anger the people that they do not look at what else is going on.
Do not pay attention to the forclosure mess, you have to be busy trying to get the medicine you need.
Do not pay attention to the wall street bailout, your medicine might run out before you have the money to pay for a refill.
Do not pay attention to the insurance rates going up while covering less. You might have to cut your medicine in half to make it last
If you are elderly and need medicine, why should you get it. You no longer contribute to the tax base that congress can spend

If you complain you are just to stupid to understand what is good for you. backtrack and his minions are just the smartest thing that ever happened to this country.Look how they can just take over businesses and run them with no experience,

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE CHATTERING PEOPLE RULE

Thanks, Elaine! I re-read his comment and realize that I did completely miss his point.  I took out my comment.

Montell’s group, I’m fairly sure, just works with the Big Pharma companies, and only people without any insurance can get help from Montell’s group.  I will nevertheless contact them, but I bet I’m right.  Sigh.  (I can see why the drug companies only help those without insurance because there are millions of them already, without adding the people with high co-pays.)

google: Montell Williams+perscription drug help
 also

phizerhelpful answers.com   & pparx.org/

Here’s another unintended consequence -
Had a meeting with the company’s payroll company and they are using the healthcare bill to frighten them into buying extra insurance services through them.
They start off their scripted line with – “Do you know what is in the new healthcare bill and when most people say no they have a number of gloomy pronouncements.
Him: “I guess you know that next year you have to make an extra box in your W2s.”
Me: “They pushed that requirement back a year.”
Him: “Really? I haven’t been keeping up with it.” And you might want to take out long term care now because that is also in the bill.”
Me: Yeah? What year is that supposed to come into effect?”
Him (reluctantly) “2013″.
Me (showing him the door) “I don’t see any need for immediate action on anything. Don’t call me, I’ll call you.”

It’s a good time for selling scare tactics.

none of what you discuss here is any surprise to me. My brother in law had a heart lung problem that he was cleared for a transplant to fix. Before the surgury could be performed the doctors put him on viagra to help. Unemployed and waiting for his medicare approval to kick in in the three month waiting period, his perscription was disapproved as experimental by the state under this new program. Yes if you noticed I did say he had a problem. He passed away suddenly when the condition could not be controlled,

We both go to the same medical clinic.  They do not give out any samples to anyone.  I don’t know why, but that’s the fact. (Someday, I’ll quiz my own doc about it because, as you say, they do get samples.  Perhaps they give all their samples to the low-income health clinic? Just a guess.)

Only her mental health service can give her samples, but they refuse to give her any more, so she can only get Abilify via a prescription.

Sliced bread was also a epicurian disaster.

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McConnell: ‘GOP Leadership  
United to Repeal Obamacare’  
   
Human Events,  
by Connie Hair     
 
Original Article  
 
10/22/2010  
 
Much back and forth has gone on this week over whether Republicans are committed to the repeal of the government takeover of health care known as Obamacare. The so-called mainstream media has gotten into the act in an effort to suppress Republican voter turnout. Having a great deal invested in the Obama façade they created, the media is once again in full protect mode trying to help Democrats avoid an out-and-out slaughter on Nov. 2.

 The only way to suppress GOP turnout is if disheartened voters believe their efforts ….

Also the $250 rebate check only goes to seniors who have a medicare prescription drug plan, and who have entered the coverage gap and that don’t already have some extra help. In other words… yes the poorest of the poor will not get the rebate check at all because to get it you have to be 100% responsible for all the cost of your drugs after entering the coverage gap. The rebate check and the news release of the news of it I think was timed to coincide with elections… as evidence of Obama’s love for seniors, although many can’t actually get it. Also for 2011, there will be no rebate check at all but seniors in the coverage gap will get the brand name drugs at 50% off price once only after the initial $2830 of drug insurance is already exhausted and they have to pay for the drugs  out of pocket. Generics will conversely be just 7% off after reaching the gap in 2011. So yes, I see this as a mechanism just to keep seniors from switching off the brand names and onto generics and not intended to actually help them in the longer term.

(HUGS RRRA, for you comments the other night) I would have the same problem, if I wasn’t on a study drug; and yes that is scary but I am at least able to move and function about 98%of  the time, compared to Ferd having to help me dress, bathe, and toilet a mere three years ago thanks to a severe case of RA. What would happen is we would be punished for the good plan Ferd has worked for and paid for this past 25 years, owing more out of pocket for services, and medication than we could afford and survive. We would have to decide between our home and my medication, which without the study is 1200 a month beyond the prescription coverage, under the new plan we will be taxed 20% of what has already been earned and paid for, then have to put out copays, which we do not have to do now,,and so it goes.
The one thing about the study, besides it being the devil I know, is the government cannot get their hands on the records at this point, and neither can they thru this doctor per a new Hipaa signed, will it hold? I do not know, but I do know they are already starting to try to get into records from other avenues that have nothing to do with our health care,using the information as possible predictors to future possible problems. The thing is sometimes there is a disease, that has nothing to do with any substance you may or may not have put into your body, and you have the disease. There is no cure, there is no fix, because without the medication the disease will reset and start all over again, that is RA. You can replace the joint but if you do not take the immunosuppressant drugs, the joint will be attacked all over again.
Further, we are now experiencing the bad doctor syndrome, as in the medical field is now being flooded with seemingly more types who have no business in the field, because there will be a need, so no one is keeping an eye on that quality of care that will be given. Remember I was suppose to have cataract surgery? Wrong diagnosis, and I thank God I went for a second opinion, because of my disease and life history the cataracts (tiny) were presumed to be the culprit, when in truth I was given a wrong prescription with the glare offset layered to the inside of the lens, no wonder I was blind when headlights hit the glasses. I am looking forward to getting new specs next week. Meanwhile I am grateful for no surgery, and I am clear that no matter  what crap is thrown at us that is suppose to represent good health care, you need to be just as vigilant with the care and treatment of your body by any medical professional.

Wow–I am overwhelmed by the stories on this thread so far.  To all who are suffering from health problems or who have lost people in your lives because of health problems that were not addressed well or who have close friends and family with health problems, I give my prayers and good wishes.

What the Dems have done is cause worry and confusion and set the stage for fraudulent or at least underhanded insurance practices.  Maybe, as kenoshamarge wrote upthread, some of the Dems might have thought they were doing something good, but I still say that they should be all kicked out for not listening to the majority of the people who were screaming, shouting, writing, and calling to ask them to take time and do this “reform” right instead of shoving something onto the public the way they did without really know how it would work.  They don’t deserve at all to be considered elected “representatives.”

So far I do not know people without insurance that is pretty good or people who have suffered anything but slight increases in monthly health insurance premiums (me included).  But, as with these elections, I am holding my breath as hard as I can.  What a way to live.

The medical field is being flooded with doctors and nurses trained in places like India, Pakistan and the Philippines. Not trying to be a snob here, but we know the quality of the education here, we know the accreditation and the transcripts are above board. We don’t know any of that coming from these third world countries. Plus, we are sending bright young men and women to work at WalMart while we import foreign trained professionals just because we don’t have the school capacity here or because young people can’t afford to be trained here. I really don’t get this at all and I never did. It is as if somebody wants to force feed world integration like it was some kind of worldwide “bussing” and in doing this nothing at all is off the table.

People should not be forced into the decision to eat or have their meds. - The worst part is the 2700 pages of law passed that nobody read and which doesn’t even try to address this simple truth… People can’t afford hospitals and prescriptions anymore. It isn’t so much the doctors. It is the corporations that have hijacked “health”. They are untouchable right now no matter who gets to fly around in the presidential travel jet. It is bullshit.

Bronwyn, what I am saying, perhaps too circuitously, is this:  In 2009, the Democrats held the Presidency, the House and two thirds of the Senate.  The American voter granted them the power to do anything that they chose.  What did they do with that power?  They pissed it away on petty squabbling on how much pork swing votes would receive, screwing those very voters that gave them so much power in the process.
To add insult to injury, the Democrat swing voters bragged on how they held up their colleagues and fellow Americans as if they were gangsters bragging about their latest haul.  I am thoroughly disgusted and this episode will guide how I research candidates and how I vote for the rest of my life. 

Which is one of my biggest pet peeves. If we can export jobs and outsource everything else… and we can import everything from China because it’s cheaper… why can’t seniors legally purchase their medications from Canada and have Medicare reimburse for them? It doesn’t make any sense why medicine is 2-3 times the price here except that there is no current free market here for them. If they could be bought overseas this would quickly change. But as we see it can’t be done. So why is the pharmaceutical industry being protected even as the rest of industry is being pillaged? I think I know. I think they own enough politicians.

Bronwyn, you’re correct on the PAP’s or Pharmacy Assistance Plans.  I’m frequently called upon to help people find ways to lower their costs of meds and other care so have been in touch with these plans.  Many of the larger companies do consider reductions but mostly, for those with no coverage already.  It’s worth a try to plea to them, especially if the circumstances are dire.  Often, those with some kind of coverage are paying out the ying-yang to hold on to that coverage because their condition would totally wipe them out without it.  Even with some coverage, meds are outrageous.  This makes the administration’s deal with Big Pharma more enfuriating.

One more thing about all elected officials being bad if they voted for this bill.  I’m privileged to work for one of these persons and know the extended deliberation that he/she undertook.  Many points of disagreement and concern were raised along the way with the understanding there were inherent problems.  However, in the end, the ability to try to help, particularly those who were dumped from a policy or had rates raised to the point they couldn’t keep the coverage, or children who are desperately or chronically ill who could get no coverage, outweighed the problems.  Knowing that the bill was far from perfect and that could be addressed, she/he felt it was the right thing to do.  That doesn’t make every person who serves bad or evil or worthy of being voted out.  If we aren’t careful, we’re going to turn out some very bright, serious and patriotic public servants in our quest to prove a point or create the perfect.  The perfect doesn’t exist.

Candymarl,
Which benefits were touted as being “free”?  As of right now, the only portions of the plan in place are for young adults up to the age of 26 who can be carried on their parents’ plan, and coverage for children with pre-existing conditions if they have had no coverage in the past 6 months.  I don’t recall any portion of the plan that is supposed to be free.  In 2014 when the entire thing kicks in, for those at the lowest income levels there may be no cost coverage provided or coverage is subsidized for certain incomes. 

Not saying there aren’t problems with this bill because there are quite a few.  To begin with, cost wasn’t addressed (despite all those damned “bending the cost curve” comments).  This bill seems to look more at access than cost, which is one of my biggest concerns.

I am disabled and have SSDI, medicare eligible and have private insurance with Medicare Part D.  I am taking 3 life continuing drugs (without them I die) these drugs on a 3 month mail in supply through a former employers insurance group plan was a co payment $60 per drug x 3 = $180 for three month supply. 

Roll the clock forward, under Medicare Part D, the same drugs, through a private insurer, after a $275 deductible, and reaching the infamous $2850 limit, I now pay 100% of the drug cost.  GET READY….The total of the three drugs on a MONTHLY basis is $4,175.00  YES THAT IS CORRECT.  There are alternatives, but the cost for other drugs are the SAME.  There are NO generics, NONE, NADA.

So, the $250.00 doesn’t even cut it. 

I was faced with reality that I can not afford my drugs until I get into Medicare’s Part D Catastrophic Coverage.  I could not afford the ~ $4,100 dollars unless I did not pay my living expenses to get out of the “doughnut hole”.

With the HELP, no less, of the Insurance Company, I was told to go to the manufacture of the drugs and apply of assistance.  I told them that I previously had done exactly that and was denied based on income and having insurance with a Rx plan.  The INSURANCE COMPANY Representative, who was the most pleasant and understanding person told me that I NOW qualify with an exception to be approved into the drug manufactures assistance programs because TECHNICALLY I no longer had Rx drug coverage since I was in the “DOUGHNUT HOLE”.

So, Google search for drug assistance programs, many phones calls, submitting applications, with my doctors affidavit, provided income tax returns, and anything else they require, I was approved for assistance.

I was supplied for free my LIFE SAVING drugs from the manufacture only until the end of the year at which time the Medicare Part D starts anew.

During this time of uncertainty, I was full of despair, depressed, and almost to the point of giving up.  By some divine intervention and the thoughtfulness of another pointing me to the right road, I have been spared, for now.  2011 it starts all over again and the only benefit I can see from the new HC Law is the drugs, I need to live, costs will be reduced extending by a few months the “doughnut hole”. 

Please, if you know anyone in this position, seek out the assitance programs.  If you have a relitive, neighbor anyone you know, help them, give them a gift to help pay for their medication, or one of their other expenses, just don’t let it be thier issue, or write about how bad it is for them….HELP THEM, PLEASE….

yes there are times, but I knew the new obamacare would be a problem, just never thought it would have this serious an effect. Thank everyone for the condolences.

I called Social Security and Medicare MYSELF.  I also called her drug insurance company.  All three confirmed what she’d told me — she does NOT get the $250.  Period.  End of story.

As Sarah would say, “You Betcha”.

I am not sure if you are addressing me or not. But, I looked it up and here is the information about the rebate checks. It is pretty plain and simple. To get it you have to be in the coverage gap and not be receiving any extra help with drug costs. So, it is true… the poorest of the poor won’t get the rebate check, because they probably already get extra help with drug plan premium and copayments. People who don’t get extra help have been paying full copayments and the premium for the drug plan itself out of their pockets all year. This is who the rebates were intended for.  
 
http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf/11464.pdf

Not sure either, regarding false information.

I think it may have been a bot delete, I lost the meat of a post below which was all drug trials and assistant programs for scripts, (helpful for people who need a cash beak on their scripts) where it went I do not know, again maybe a bot delete.

I wondered what happened to your post, as well.

As someone who’s known a Narcissist very well for a long time, this is their M.O. a) they get a little “high” out of making people they love angry. It reminds the N.P.D. they affect people. While NPDs want to be loved, not hated, the intensity of the anger toward them is better than none. It’s the intensity that gives them the high. b) they create clouds of confusion everywhere which causes the people in their orbit to constantly play catchup ironing out the subtle lies half-truths and self-contradicting statements made by the NPD.

And of course, NPDs are constantly off-loading shame and off-loading blame to someone nearby who can absorb it (a “blame sponge” if you will.)

“People can’t afford hospitals and prescriptions anymore. It isn’t so much the doctors. It is the corporations that have hijacked “health”.”

A thousand Amens to this comments. This bill managed to make life more miserable for both doctors and patients. That took some skill.