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Smackdown: Frank in the O’Reilly Fox Den [Update]

You thought last night’s must-see TV was between Alaska Hocky Mom (aka Supermom) Palin and “I’m Being Shot At” Biden in St. Louis? Nope, that was an October Surprise worthy of a whole month but the real fireworks for the evening was the warm-up bout “Frank in the O’Reilly Fox Den”. Yep, Barney took on O’Reilly on the nation’s financial mess. The only mess left was Barney in the Senate studio.

And the winner is …

Wait a minute. It is two fools yelling at one another…. Here, we have two gladiators. Only they choose to do this, they’re overweight, and both completely hapless.

Score for O’Reilly: he’s correct on the facts.

Score for Frank: O’Reilly looks like a jerk. — Amos Wright, New York Examiner.

Okay, Bill O’Reilly of FOX’s O’Reilly Factor and Barney Frank have a history together. Just last week Bill laid into Barney,

I don’t even want to talk about the far left. Barney Frank, DISGUSTING, POINTING FINGERS! It’s YOU, you big fat toad! YOU, Frank, YOU, Dodd. Sitting there (mumbled parroting voice) [...] It’s YOU, Dodd! YOU, you knew!

I swear to God if they were in this room right now, I would hit them. Dodd and Frank, the House finance, the Senate finance. THEY KNEW, DON’T POINT A FINGER AT ANYBODY ELSE OR I’LL BREAK THAT FINGER OFF.

SO, YOU GOT CORRUPTION ON THE RIGHT AND YOU GOT CORRUPTION ON THE LEFT, and who gets it? YOU GET IT? You, the hard working person. The next politician that gets up there and points a finger, I’m going to go after them myself!

SHUT UP! FIX IT! THESE ARE PEOPLE’S LIVES! I got enough money in the bank, okay?

Unless a bank fails, I’m fine. But you’re probably NOT fine. I’m lucky, and I’m tired of these charlatans on both sides lying to you because they’re ideological Kool-Aid drinkers or corrupt toads.

And I’m talking to you, Barney Frank. Who’s the guy that was ‘OH, if you don’t lend money to poor people, you’re a bigot!’ Who was saying that, Barney?

Man, I gotta take a break. (From Radio Equalizer)

Fastforward back to last night. As Michael Calderone wrote at Politico, “Now’s his chance! But will O’Reilly go through with striking Frank when he comes on “The Factor” tonight? Also, Frank’s pretty good with comebacks, but how does he respond to the “big, fat toad” slight?”

You’ve just watched the video, right? Amos seems okay in his conclusion, right? Any guess as to what color of glasses Jed Lewison at Huffington Post was wearing to write:

Barney Frank just demolished Falafel Bill O’Reilly on “The Factor.”

It was a thing of beauty from the start, and peaked when Frank told O’Reilly that O’Reilly’s “stupidity gets in the way of rational discussion.” Frank even used the L-word, telling O’Reilly that he was “lying.”

O’Reilly had invited Frank on the show to sandbag him, but in the end, Frank thoroughly ruined O’Reilly’s plans.


By the way, for a bit of history, Gateway Pundit points to Tax Foundation talking [quoting statement by Congressman Barney Frank in September 2003] about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae:

That is, in my view, the two government sponsored enterprises we are talking about here, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not in a crisis. We have recently had an accounting problem with Freddie Mac that has led to people being dismissed, as appears to be appropriate. I do not think at this point there is a problem with a threat to the Treasury.

I must say we have an interesting example of self-fulfilling prophecy. Some of the critics of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac say that the problem is that the Federal Government is obligated to bail out people who might lose money in connection with them. I do not believe that we have any such obligation. And as I said, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy by some people.

So let me make it clear, I am a strong supporter of the role that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac play in housing, but nobody who invests in them should come looking to me for a nickel–nor anybody else in the Federal Government.

Boy, how times change.

  • http://Q kat in your hat

    I love it. Kick his ass BILL!

  • katmandu

    There was an informative commentary about the sad history of Fannie that explains the role of the GSEs in the total picture. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODM2NzRhMTEzMjhmNDAwZTVkOTA0ZjEzMzU5NTcxOTY= Thank you Matthew — we need to keep this topic on the front burner.

    Also interesting — David Broder has very nice things to say about Sarah Palin in this coming Sunday’s Washington Post. Broder is the moderate columnist at the Washington Post — and is a good bellwether. He also thinks the McCain camp goofed by not allowing her to speak more earlier. Finally, he said the VP debate outclassed the Obama-McCain debate, saying that it was lively and fun.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303305.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

  • Zeke

    Well,
    Barney, the purple dinosaur didn’t fare all that well, did he?
    The truth kicks ass better than anything!
    O’Reilly let him have it and the best Barney could do was say that it wasn’t him by himself…
    When you have no offense, a weak defense hardly helps…

  • HARP

    Someone needs to take Frank out to the woodshed and only one come back.

  • imustprotest

    Bill was right. He did say in July 08 that Fannie/Freddie were fundamentally sound and that they were in no danger of going under and further that their situation would be even better in the near future. Sorry Barney, you were fundamentally WRONG and you shoud resign.

  • Vicki

    What no one mentions is that in the Senate, the committee where Dodd was the ranking member was subject to the filibuster rule (60% vote or higher) to release a bill from the committee to the floor. Dodd and the other dems blocked S190 in 2005 as well as any other legislation to rein in Fannie or Freddie. I don’t know how hard the House members tried for legislation but I do know that criticising CRA loans was like touching a third rail, due to the attending racism charges.

    I was wondering how many minorities and vulnerable people refinanced their perfectly good 30 year mortgages to “pull cash out” or “pay off debt” during the go go years of the housing boom. I really feel for those poor folks, but at the same time I want them to pay their mortgages and not default.

    What a horrible mess. I wonder if ACORN is proud of all those loans they brought in.

  • Brendy

    LOL!

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    I swear I should be on TV… the people on TV always seem to let me down.

    I’m glad O’Reilly did what he did.. so I’m not criticizing him for that.. but I do think he could have done it better.

    He seemed to latch onto the comments Barney made eariler this year about the profitablity for shareholders.

    Who gives a crap about the shareholders.

    We’re not facing economic collapse because of shareholders.

    The problem was that the market viewed the mortgages that FM/FM resold as being good as gold because of the implicit guarantee.

    This is coupled with the Corrupt Dems running FM who used FM’s seemingly bottomless ability to keep reloaning the same limited funds.

    People talk about how the 700B bailout might endanger us by having us print more money… but isn’t what Fannie Mawe was doing the same thing as printing money?

    And the Democrats of the Frank/Dodd/Schumer/Waters/Watts/Pelosi did all they could to ensure the poisoning of the world would go on for as long as possible.

    These people have to pay the price for destroying us.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Now someone needs to bytch slap David Letterman and all the jerks that are perpetuating how wronged the Dems have been.

    And OT – bytching about Sarah Palin, too.

  • Docelder

    It seems that since the stock slide, there has been several Fox reporters who have shifted somewhat in their tone. Yes, it seemed what really ticked OReilly off was the forward looking statements that proved untrue… and not the fact that there was an atmosphere in which mortgage fraud was perpetuated as a business model… propped up past it’s shelf life by sweet deals on government money.

  • Docelder

    The left has “entitlement” issues. ;)

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    Barney’s Partner in Sex was an exec at Fannie Mae.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/274823.php

  • jwrjr

    Barney the purple dinosaur (or maybe just DINO) visited Jurassic Park with the predictable result.

  • B-boy

    Do you support the Beastie Boys?

  • joy

    B-Boys makin’ with the freak freak. Apparently, as Mr. Simon stated, so was Barney.

  • Freddiecankissmyfannie

    “Oh my god, that’s the funky s***!”

    -Beastie Boys from “Root Down”

  • rick

    Hillary/Beastie Boys ’12 (the only time a ticket will sweep all 50 states

  • joy

    lol

  • AlNY

    Silly Barney. Just like the dino.

    How come O’Reilly has the same facial expressions as Stephen Colbert?

  • rick

    Hillary/Colbert ’12 (the only time a ticket will sweep all 50 states)

  • Artemis

    Frank and Dodd have to go. O’Reilly is right about their roles in this mess; I just wish he would have let Frank talk more before he laid the smack down.
    Get Frank on tape claiming his hands are clean, documenting his denials loud and clear. Then, O’Reilly’s fury would have been more effective (in my opinion.) But O’Reilly’s style isn’t to be very patient with long-winded guests and interrupting is his forte. Still, I’m glad he confronted Frank for the world to see.

  • alice

    i find your argument to be DIS-worthy of praise. o’reilly and colbert are completely different. the former has a track record of up-front journalism while the latter simply rides on the coattails of the former. case in point: o’reilly came up with the word “truthiness” long before colbert.

  • alice

    Where will the other have gone?

  • http://www.lostinspacetv.com/ The Robot

    OFF TOPIC:

    But check out these Obama Youth:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d1_1222994202

  • olbermann
  • http://Q kat in your hat

    Ya, someone needs to take him behind the barn…

  • alec

    we’ve gone from talking about the beastie boys to colbert. you’re post is definitely not off topic.

  • socalannie

    eww.

  • joy

    Olbermann’s smokin’! [Touches finger to Olbermann's suit and the contact with the suit produces a "tsss"-like sound as the temperature from my finger is relatively cool compared to the temperature of Olbermann's suit.]

    However, O’Reilly is far hotter. [Touches finger to O'Reilly's suit and finger becomes a charred crisp.]

    So ladies, in terms of looks, Olbermann vs. O’Reilly. I think we all know how I stand on this issue. (Hint: O’Reilly, baby!)

  • rick

    LOL!

  • rick

    … wtf?

  • RyAn

    maybe you jUst have a suit fetish.

  • standard

    David Letterman was grim tonight. The Palin bash fest was reminiscent of
    the MSNBC gangbang “debate” with Hillary Clinton.
    This is my commentary
    newwavedemocrats.wordpress.com/letterman-vote-mccain/

  • Donna

    Why didn’t Bill unleash the video of the 2004 hearings where Barney et al protected Fannie and Freddie and Raines?

    Maybe next time…

  • cubsfan

    So, since it’s late…. how ’bout those Cubs?

  • rick

    how about ‘em?

  • cubsfan

    sigh…

  • rick

    don’t worry, there’s always the next 100 years.

  • cubsfan

    Double sigh…

  • rick

    are we going for the triplette? hey, at least your sports franchise isn’t in a city where obama got his start!

  • cubsfan

    Triple sigh and faints.

  • rick

    sorry, didn’t mean to get you down that bad.

  • fred

    wow O.J found guilty of all 12 accounts. That’s like 75-90 years.

  • nancyjoe

    Okay totally OT…But the username “Freddie Can Kiss My Fannie?” ROFLMAO. I gotta steal that one. OMG.

  • nancyjoe

    Comment by fred | 2008-10-04 01:34:57

    wow O.J found guilty of all 12 accounts. That’s like 75-90 years.

    =========================================

    Isn’t Karma a B**tch? Guess that’s how Barky and Snarky will feel on November 5.

  • Freddiecankissmyfannie

    Lol, it’s all yours, nancyjoe. And seriously, I don’t think it’s that OT at this time of night, especially in comparison to some of the posts above. I swear that No Quarter turns into the online equivalent of Happy Hour on certain threads after 11 pm (PST).

  • rick

    bartender!

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    This is off-topic in a way, but I think it’s very relevant to the times we live in.

    I just stumbled across the trailer to a video called “Blocking the Path to 9/11″… which is about the Clinton/Democratic Leadership’s de facto censorship of the movie ABC made called “path to 9/11″

    http://www.blockingthepath.com/trailer.html

    I think this is a perfect example of the thuggery of the Democratic Party and how over the years it has become endemic.

  • socalannie

    Thanks for the great idea rick! My hubbies off to make cocktails.

  • http://anvp.typepad.com/soldier4hillary/ soldier4hillary

    Hey everyone see I am not the only one up! So OJ was convicted? Great. Anyway I am up on duty until 9 then this afternoon will be out knocking on doors. Oh and I posted it on another thread about our project down here in NC. Getting people to the polls during early voting. I just reserved 3 vans for transporation which was the hard part. I swear gas prices suck. Anyway we are still taking donations on my blog to help get these flyers out. They will be up on my blog soon and people can actually download them.

  • ed
  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Oh I didn’t notice there’s a 2nd clip on the web page.

    I just finished it, and I find it out that they directly tie the film and the controversy about it to the Press’s treatment of the Clintons and Obama.

    They say that the Clinton’s confrontation with ABC and reporters contributed to a determination by the news media to support Obama

  • alec

    seriously, i wouldn’t worry about prefacing a post as being off topic in this thread. this is way more on topic than many of the other threads. (in response to rick, i second that at this time of night: bartender!)

  • socalannie

    Patsy, you’re amazing.

  • nancyjoe

    Comment by Freddiecankissmyfannie | 2008-10-04 01:39:42

    Lol, it’s all yours, nancyjoe. And seriously, I don’t think it’s that OT at this time of night, especially in comparison to some of the posts above. I swear that No Quarter turns into the online equivalent of Happy Hour on certain threads after 11 pm (PST).

    ===================================================

    I’m still laughing…Freddie Can Kiss My Fannie. HAHAHAHHAHAHAH…

    I am in LA so yeah PST. I might need a drink right now myself. This whole election is just blowing my mind. On November 5 I might need rehab.

  • fred

    O.J Found Guilty On All Charges. 13 Years Ago On This Very Same Day O.J Was Acquitted Of Double Murders. 13 Years Later On The Very Same Day GUILTY
    http://countusout.wordpress.com/

  • http://www.anvp.typepad.com soldier4hillary

    Thanks! I am sooooo tired! I think I have done to much for the day. Well yesterday. Rushing from doing the show and going back to work..well my energy is gone! But its all good. Well I gotta go do my security checks!! I’ll see ya’ll on the blog later on.

  • nancyjoe

    Comment by fred | 2008-10-04 01:56:29

    O.J Found Guilty On All Charges. 13 Years Ago On This Very Same Day O.J Was Acquitted Of Double Murders. 13 Years Later On The Very Same Day GUILTY
    http://countusout.wordpress.com

    ======================================

    I swear that’s the same Karma that’s going to give McCain/Palin a big WIN against Osama November 4.

  • rick

    sorry ed, but once i saw the presence of a youtube link, i just had to do this at least once for the sake of my name:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=related

    (so that i don’t anger anybody, i wanted to tell you guys that it’s a rick roll, although i think i ruined it by announcing it… bartender!)

  • cubsfan

    LA… Dodgers… UGH!!!

  • nancyjoe

    Comment by cubsfan | 2008-10-04 02:02:37

    LA… Dodgers… UGH!!!

    =====================================

    Bite me on the Dodgers thing. We rock.

  • socalannie

    Sorry cubbie! I really thought your cubs would sweep us. If it makes you feel any better, our Angels are getting creamed by Boston. Also, Boston shook off their curse (curse of the Bambino), so the cubs will undoubtedly shake off their Greek curse eventually.

  • Brendy

    I love it, too: “Freddie Can Kiss My Fannie” – TOO cute; I love people who can come up with such great quotes/sarcasisms!

  • sayitisntso

    OJ used to hang out with my father in law who worked at UCLA in the sixties. He brought him home once and my husband’s mother was scared to death. That plus, you know how big the guy is!

    I’m going to the McCain Palin rally tomorrow. Gotta get some sleep, going to be a long day. Soldier4, I heard you on Matt’s and always great to listen to you!

  • Brendy

    soldier4hillary – you are one truly AMAZING American and may I add – hero? I feel guilty because I am nowhere near the great American Citizen for Democracy that you are!

  • nancyjoe

    I’m going to the rally too!

    GO SARAH-CUDA!

  • Brendy

    Weird! Payback?

  • Right on the Left Coast

    Exactly, Vince. I felt the same way. I am practically yelling at the video for O’Reilly to drop the topic of stock of FNM/FRE and focus on the credit risk of the mortgages they took on by loosening qualification standards in order to expand home ownership. FNM/FRE serve as market makers for conforming loans for the whole industry. If they don’t buy them, most banks wouldn’t originate them. By accepting subprime, 0% down, etc as conforming to their guidelines, they put fuel on a fire. This isn’t the only reason for the whole disaster, but it certainly contributed. There is enough blame to go around. We haven’t even started talking about rating agencies that rated pools of Alt-A (liar) loans as AAA grade investments that also blew this thing up. It’s a horrible mess that will take a while to sort out. Take it from a guy who works(ed) at one of these banks that failed last week. It’s not good for anyone. Good luck all.

  • no vote for Oblabla

    Looks like the flag and the placement of his hand and arm were edited in with Photoshop ;-)

    I’m betting in the original photo his fist was a bit further to the left/center and he was holding something else as he gazed so intently at his Obammunist Messiah BWAHAHAHA!

  • lark

    Colbert is just acting the part, he doesn’t believe any of it. After the writer’s guild strike I stopped watching. It lost quality.

  • lark

    He committed another crime after what he did to Nicole, potentially just as serious.

    That’s why I am so against Obama. His lies and subversive modality point towards more of the same and probably in a larger scale.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Watching Obama explain his defense policies is the scariest thing I have ever seen.

    This guy is going to embolden every enemey we have. And Unilaterially disarm us.

  • socalannie

    That is scary.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    someone just did. Bill O’Riely.

    Now lets see if it was just grandstanding or if they will keep at it.

  • jvsp

    “Do not lie on innocent people…” -guilty people are more comfortable.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Its equal parts embarrassingly bad and socialist leader glorifying disturbing.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    i am surprised that the flag he is holding isn’t on fire.

  • jvsp

    The Obama Youth:

    They are getting prepared for those wooden arrows.

  • Sarasota

    WOW!

    I am speachless, thanks Bill!

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    I don’t know what to think. BillO was hard on Barney. But, man. I think he was right.

    I want to say something else. Barney is F*cked up. He knows what his role was in this mess and he refuses to admit blame. Yes, BillO was a bully. But I am glad he was, this time. I do not think anyone who was an instrumental instigator of the financial shits we are in now deserves any mercy.

    I have never said publicly a kind word about BillO, but tonight I applaud him for calling out the whore of Wall Street, Barney Frank.

  • Touchet

    Did you notice the first commentary. They basically said that O’reily was a jerk because he told the truth. What a load of complete bull shit.

    When did it all of sudden become rude to tell people they are wrong and present the facts?

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    I can’t stand Republicans (I am conservative) .. so fucking wimpy. Read this… embarrassing. My comment that I’m sending to the campaign is at the bottom. I swear I’m going to have a breakdown before the election.

    Why McCain Goes Easy on Fannie and the CRA

    October 03, 2008 10:29 AM ET | James Pethokoukis | Permanent Link | Print

    Here is the big question of the moment that many GOPers are asking: Why is John McCain not tearing into Barack Obama and the Dems on the huge role of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the Community Reinvestment Act in the financial crisis on Wall Street? In fact, the biggest criticism by conservatives of Sarah Palin’s debate performance last night was that she had the opportunity to talk about Fannie/Freddie and the CRA but instead criticized the role of “predatory lenders.”

    Here is what Team McCain is telling me: Expect McCain to make the case on television, but don’t look for him to turn to Obama in the next debate, point his finger, and say something like this (courtesy of the Ace of Spades HQ blog):

    I stayed away from making these partisan attacks, even though you lied ridiculously about me and your own attempts at ‘reform.’ I held back, because partisan attacks—even truthful ones—would harm our country and reduce the chances of getting a vital bill passed. Well, the bill is now passed. I put country first. You didn’t, and you lied on top of that. And now—only now that this crisis has been dealt with, to the extent we can—I’m going to give you a bit of straight-talk about Fannie, Freddie, my attempts to reform it, and your attempts to block reform on behalf of your big donors and friends in ACORN.

    Nope, that is not going to happen Why not? 1) It is a complicated argument, and McCain is not good at making complicated arguments, not even about earmarks. (Note, additionally, his lack of defense of the war in Iraq during his debate with Obama. Amazing.)

    2) There is a racial component to criticism of the Community Reinvestment Act that can make it sound like you are scapegoating minorities for Wall Street’s problems.

    3) The campaign believes McCain’s time is better spent talking about taxes and energy and healthcare. Really.

    There is a newish TV ad about Fannie and Freddie. You tell me if it makes the point conservatives desperately want McCain to make. I don’t think it explicitly or aggressively connects the dots the way activists crave. Here is the transcript:

    ANNCR: John McCain fought to rein in Fannie and Freddie.

    The Post says: McCain “pushed for stronger regulation”…”while Mr. Obama was notably silent.”

    But, Democrats blocked the reforms.

    Loans soared.

    Then, the bubble burst.

    And, taxpayers are on the hook for billions.

    Bill Clinton knows who is responsible.

    PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: “I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

    ANNCR: You’re right, Mr. President. It didn’t have to happen.

    JOHN McCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approve this message.

    My bottom line: The McCain campaign is underestimating how absolutely furious conservatives are that free markets, and by extension Reaganomics and the last 25 years of American economic policy, are getting the blame for the housing and credit crisis. A real morale killer, they tell me. Over and over. Every day.

    ———————————————————————–\

    Comment I made:

    This Country Needs Defending
    Who the heck does John McCain think he is?

    We’re under a full assault by Marxists, and he wants to be polite?

    UNACCEPTABLE

    What was all that talk about fighting with him? If he didn’t mean fight against his opponent , who the heck was he talking about? Was he talking about the Republican Party? Gee he doesn’t seem to have any problems telling Republicans where to go..

    This country is under assault , if McCain doesn’t want to run for President, for the good of the country, drop out of the race and we’ll get someone who wants to .

    Shame on you for disrupting the Palin family’s life, subjecting them to the most vicious hatred and humiliation.. for what?

    I’m outraged and disgusted.

    My country is being treaded on, and once again the stupid Republicans do nothing.

  • Shiloh

    After McCain wins you will have nothing to say about the strategy and timing that did it. You are not a political pro. Watch those that are do their thing.

  • jvsp

    Don’t mean to be a jerk, but sincerely, what are you doing to help McCain win?

  • wodiej

    uh….OUCH! Wowie…I think the Republicans need to keep this up. Get angry, confront the Democrats responsible, bring them to the front of the class for everyone to see on national TV. I think this economic crisis is the main thing keeping Obama up in the polls. My Mom always said people vote their pocketbooks. The plain and simple fact is Fannie and
    Freddie is the major cause of the economic crisis and the Democrats are the ones who wanted to give every Tom, Dick and Harry a subprime loan even when they did not financially qualify because it was “fair”. What is fair is getting out earning what you want. Acorn, also Democrat based and many trained by Obama himself, protested and stormed welfare offices and banks demanding these loans. Now they don’t want to admit their mistake. Hmm, who does that sound like?? All of Obama’s supporters.

  • beebop

    How much weight HAS he put on? Maybe he’ going for the Andy Rooney look?

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon

    I think the gloves are coming off.

  • http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com M. Simon
  • Perry Logan

    The trouble is, the ‘Pubs have been blaming Democrats for their catastrophes for at least 20 years. Only the brain-damaged–or a diehard right-winger–could fail to see the pattern. :)

    So you see, when Repubs try ONCE AGAIN to pin their failures on the Democrats, they have all the credibility of a serial killer. You can’t just play the same trick over and over.

    I’ve done a YouTube video on this right-wing thought disorder. It’s called “Get Up. Screw Up. Blame the Liberals”:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BkIU1GqXA

  • wodiej

    I agree….personally, I have made donations and I also am using the last of my vacation days to help homebound voters fill out their absentee ballots. Then I am also using a vacation day to work on election day. I have posted before some of the things people can do to help. Make calls, go door to door, put a sign in your yard, drop off something to eat for volunteers at your local campaign office. But do something instead of just complain.

    I understand the frustration. But this segment of Bill O’Reilly is an example of what Republicans need to continue doing. It is not going to be something that happens overnight. It won’t be one particular thing the Republicans do. It will be a compilation of different people like O’Reilly bringing important issues to the forefront like this w Frank.

  • wodiej

    Perry, isn’t it kind of early to be sampling the kool aid?

  • beebop

    Perry and his soul have gone separate ways, wodlej. It has been a down hill process and so painful to watch. He’d be far happier at the big orange place or HP ….

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    In case anyone missed it the List of JOE LIEDEN’S DEBATE FIB FIBs has grown to 24:

    Below, you’ll find a list of 10 14 16 20 22 24 “lies” Biden told during the Debate with Governor Sarah Palin on Thursday night:

    1. TAX VOTE:
    Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

    2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING:
    Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

    3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING:
    Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.

    4. TROOP FUNDING:
    Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of passage.

    5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL:
    Biden says he has always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

    6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES:
    According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

    7. HEALTH INSURANCE:
    Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

    8. OIL TAXES:
    Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

    9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS:
    Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

    10. REGULATION:
    Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

    11. IRAQ:
    When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

    12. TAX INCREASES:
    Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

    13. BAILOUT:
    Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

    14. REAGAN TAX RATES:
    Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes than they did under Reagan.

    15. THE CONSTITUTION:
    Biden: “Vice President Cheney’s been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. He has — he has — the idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the executive — he works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.”

    As noted by the McCain Camp, Article I of the Constitution does not, in fact, define the role of the Vice President of the United States. It defines the role of the legislative branch, otherwise known as the branch in which Joe Biden has served for the last 36 years.

    16. IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN SPENDING:
    Biden said that the U.S. spends more in Iraq in one month than it has in Afghanistan in six or seven years.

    That figure is off by 2000 percent.

    17. ‘KICKED HEZBOLLAH OUT OF LEBANON’:
    Biden: When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said, and Barack said, ‘Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

    Reuters thinks he meant to refer to Syria, but I still don’t think it would be accurate to say the U.S. kicked Syria out of Lebanon. The Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon.

    18. VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT:
    Biden’s statement that McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act is accurate. But as Robert Byers notes, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Morrison, the Court ruled that much of Biden’s law was an unconstitutional power grab by Congress of rights reserved to the states. Nobody voted against the WAWA because they support violence against women; they objected over constitutional concerns that a Supreme Court majority validated.

    19. KATIE’S RESTAURANT HOT LUNCH SPECIAL:
    Biden: “Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”

    Katie’s Restaurant is no longer in business; locals remember it on Union Street 25 to 30 years ago.

    20. ARMS CONTROL TREATY:
    Biden: “Number two, with regard to arms control and weapons, nuclear weapons require a nuclear arms control regime. John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported.”

    I have no idea where Biden gets this “every Republican has supported” claim, as 49 other Republican senators voted ‘no’ with McCain.
    When the roll was finally called on October 13, the resolution to ratify the CTBT (including the six safeguards that Daschle had submitted as an amendment) was defeated by a 51-48 vote with one abstention. (See the voting record.) Forty-four Democrats voted for ratification as did four Republicans: John Chafee (R-RI), James Jeffords (R-VT), Gordon Smith (R-OR) and Arlen Specter (R-PA). Fifty Republican senators and one independent (Robert Smith of New Hampshire) voted against ratification, and Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) voted “present.” The treaty fell 19 votes short of achieving the necessary two-thirds majority necessary for ratification.

    21. WEST BANK ELECTIONS:
    Biden: President Bush insisted on elections in the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, ‘Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.’”
    The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler notes that “Obama had been a senator for only a few days when the election took place, but if he made such statements, they did not appear in news reports or transcripts that are contained in the Nexis or Factiva databases.”

    22. PAKISTANI WEAPONS:
    Biden: “Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons. Pakistan’s weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean.”

    The distance between Israel and Pakistan is 2,085 miles, or 3355 kilometers. They are working on developing longer-range missiles; maybe Biden knows of some development that public sources do not yet know about. Theoretically, the Pakistanis could put the weapon on a boat and then sail it to the target, but by that standard, any site on a coast in the world is within their range. The top range of Pakistani missile that can carry a nuclear warhead is 1000 miles.

    23. MEETING WITH SPAIN:
    Biden charges that McCain would not meet with the government of Spain.
    He didn’t say that; he said he might not have a meeting with Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luiz Rodriguez Zapatero. Considering Zapatero’s past America-bashing on the Spanish campaign trail when it’s politically convenient, that’s an entirely reasonable position for an American president to have.

    24. ISRAEL’S BEST FRIEND FOREVER:
    Biden: “Nobody in the Senate has been a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden.”

    That’s a rather audacious statement coming from a man who, according to Israeli leaders, threatened a total cutoff of aid in 1982.

    Obama/Biden – Ready to Lie to the American People Even Before Day 1

    Pass this list around.

  • http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/ Not Your sweetie

    I would have preferred that Bill – or rather someone else – had made the points on a less over the top way – so I can use it in an argument. This is too much of a circus to have persuasive value.
    I have been musing about women turning against their own lately
    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/having-it-all-offensive-women-against-women/

  • beebop

    I saw the funniest comment at ABC … “so sad. now who’s going to look for Nicole’s killer ….”

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    soldier4Hillary if I wasn’t already married to the most beautiful, smartest woman in the world I’d ask you to marry me!! Smart, beautiful and she wears cammies!!! THE PERFECT WOMAN!!!!

  • Perry Logan

    And if you want to start trusting Republicans, I’ve got some swampland to sell you. :)

    It’s ironic that I’m getting rapped for saying liberal and leftist things and for defending Democrats, given that PUMA began as a Democratic group.

    Many PUMAs seem to have decided that–since the Democrats have gone bad–that all Democrats are bad, and that the Republicans are suddenly good. They’re mad at the mainstream media for being in the tank for Obama, so they have decided that Fox News is now a reliable news source. This is a breathtakingly irrational line of thought.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    What I’m trying to do right now is alert people to a major flaw in his campaign.

    I sent email to here

    info@johnmccain.com

    I dont know what kind of calculation his campaign is making regarding being very assertive but it’s not working , and I could have told them to not even try.

    It’s as if they don’t understand the entirety of the MSM is working for the election of Obama and that the MSM and Obama will do or say anything to get him elected.

    McCain must tap into the great anger that the people have regarding the disintegrating conditions of this country.

    Going against earmarks, or “Wall St Greed” isn’t good enough. We all know our nation’s foundation has taken a severe blow.. we need to someone to admit it publicly and name names

    If more people email his campaign to tell him thats what he has to do , maybe they will listen.

    I’ve never been crazy about McCain.. Amongst a lot of non ideological Republicans there is an old style view of politics.. one that pays a lot of respect to civility and respect. Those rules don’t apply in Washington and they certainly don’t apply to Chicago based Marxists.

    I knew he was going to run a weak campaign and have circles run around him by the Dem candidate and MSM

    Everyone I know who is against Obama is dismayed that this stupid campaign is not countering Obama’s lies.

    There are so many ways that McCain can galvanize the majority of people toward him but requires him getting rid of some stupid ideas.

    Anyway, how is this guy going to reform Washington if he can’t even point out the obvious dangers in the one person it is understood that McCain’s attention can be on 100% of the time for months.

  • Perry Logan

    But what can John do? His party just got done putting two war criminals in the White House, letting 9/11 happen, losing New Orleans, piddling away the Clinton deficit, using the Constitution for toilet paper, making torture national policy, insinuating corruption into every fiber of the Federal government, alienating all our allies, turning Iraq into an Al Qaeda breeding ground, causing world terrorism to TRIPLE (!), causing the violent crime rate to go up (after going down for eight straight years under Bill Clinton), causing the infant mortality rate to go up for the first time in 40 years (after reaching an alltime low under Clinton), racking up more deficit than all previous Presidents combined, engineering the Second Great Depression, and letting our wounded vets lie around in their own urine. His party has made it next to impossible to win, even against a twerp like Obama.

  • jvsp

    “us” and “them” are the terms in which a simpleton thinks. The parties supervene on the people who comprise them, especially the leaders who determine which direction the party will take. Their characters are what is most fundamental. Thus far, the extremist left “democratic” party which was once THE Democratic Party is lead by venal, morally and ethically impoverished, idiots. So far as I can tell, you belong with them.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    There you go again Perry, clinging to your Bill Clinton and your meme about Republicans blaming democrats and its no wonder that you are once again lying about the Republicans as a way explain ermm..

    seriously come on perry, if you are going to pinocchio about whose fault this whole sub prime mortgage crisis is, you might want to do your research.

    I worked on wall street for one of the companies that was far more instrumental in creating this mess than any individual lender could be from 1997 through 2008. I know exactly how Fannie Freddie regulations and lowring of standards helped create and promote predatory lending and how Democrats were heavily involved in making sure it would continue dispite calls for reform from the administration greenspan and the republicans.

    I know what went on, how fannie freddie were involved in forcing the subrpime fiasco on wall street and how wall street passed the buck to main street and how Democrats resisted any reform right down party lines for years and blocked any action via filibuster in the senate.

    My company was cheering ever delay and obfuscation by the dems as they raked in money hand over fist. And almost every major player in the company sold stock and ditched before the bubble burst because we all knew exactly when it was going to happen.

    The principals made million upon millions of dollars thanks to democrats and then ditched the whole kit and kaboodle to an investment firm and retired in late 2006.

    Within 6 months of selling the market started to freeze up and the initial stock offering on this company plumetted from 24 a share to 3 a share.

    They knew exactly what was happening what was going to happen and when. They not only made a killing while the picking was good, they also bailed on the company 6 months before they knew it was going to go south and made millions seeling their interests.

    COmpany staff is now down to 15-30 from 350, and no longer employs over 1000 contractors weekly doing phoney subprime due diligence to make loan portfolios look good and certify the loans meet fannie freddy guidelines of “yes there is atleast one crackhead in the house with a heartbeat” of home ownership.

    You can be pissed off all you want that the Republicans made a big deal about bill Lying under oath getting a blowjob, but it doesnt change the fact that that “withchunt” that made you a bitter man is equivalant to the Freddie Ginnie Fannie fiasco.

    One is about Republicans holding bills feet to the fire for screwing around behind Hillary’s back and lying to the american people.

    The other is about The Democratic Acorn Voter Fraud Slush aka Fannie Freddie Screwing the American People while the Democrats distracted them with “a hose for every minimum wage earner pipe dream.”

    Perry. You keep harping how the republicans are getting what the deserve becasue you are still pissed off that Bill was targetted by them for all 8 years of his presidency.

    What you miss perry is not that the Republicans are getting screwed if Obama wins, but that the american people are getting screwed.

    The bailout was one last big GOLDEN PARACHUTE for all those companies that helped the Democrats make Billions off the House for votes scam called Freddie Fannie lowering of and punishment if you didnt go along with equal opportunity housing regulations.

    Let the govenrment by those crappy loans and punish the tax payer while these companies who funded the Democrats get a nice fat 850 Billion Dollar Bonus.

  • jvsp

    You belong to the Extremist Party and NOT the Democratic Party, Perry. Your failure to even address the arguments that PUMA forward as to why what was once known as the Democratic Party is no longer, is delectable. Carry on dear benighted one.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    I wear cammies…too.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    I may not be a “pro” but what I see on TV is Obama telling lie after lie .. that Obama is the one who knew about Fannie and tried to stop it.

    Those of us who supported (past tense) Bush and the Iraq War have been through this whole saga already.

    In late 2003 and in 2004 what happened there is that lies or inaccuracies started to make their ways into the MSM. These lies were designed to damage the rationale for the war or to question the honesty of Bush.

    To many of us astonishment, the White House press office was doing nothing to refute them. The White House thinking was that the war was already a done deal.. it obviously cannot be undone, therefore to argue about the reasons for it is not a good use of time since the argument cannot change the present situation. So they retreated from the Public sphere and that gave the green light for Democrats or whoever to speak against the war while it was still be fought.

    The same thing is going to happen here… the MSM and Obama are going to frame an alternate history and then nothing will be able to correct it.

    So I may not be a “pro” but I see this same story play out time after time.

    Seems to me that the McCain people thought they could coast through September. They could sequester Sarah and keep McCain mumbling about Wall St. Well we see how well that worked.

    They should hire me, i’m much cheaper.

  • bert

    On Bill-O – true enough. But what O’Reilly did was do what millions x millions of Americans wanted to say to Franks and Dodd et. al. He expressed the anger and fear of the average guy and gal out there who will never get a chance to ever see Franks face too face.

    O’Reilly was over theh top and often is. But I bet the average American is saying about this performance – “YEAH!!!! YOU TELL HIM!!!!!!”

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Perry, god love him, is still pissed about the monica lewinsky affair and the attempt at impeaching Bill Clinton.

    He is like the mirror Universe version of Dick Morris, except Dick moved on.

  • bert

    That is something I don’t want to see. Mo offense.

  • Perry Logan

    On the other hand, he said “The Republicans have given us the worst economic policies we’ve ever had.” :)

    He’s really got the Repubs by the balls on that one. So to speak.

  • Perry Logan

    It would still be better than seeing Rush Limbaugh naked. Probably.

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    DUDE!!! Fer JEEBUS CRISPIES SAKES!! You just made me blow chunks all over my puter!! WARN somebody huh?!

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Perry: You’re an idiot. There are three stikes against Oblockhead from the outset:

    1) He is unfit for office
    2) He is unqualified for office (and I’m not speaking here of the de minimis requirements of Article II)
    3) He is a danger to our Republic

    Any reason you might give to vote for your provocateur candidate can’t get around thees three. You want more? He is jusst another GWB. I did’t vote for a Bush in the past and I’m not about to suddenly change my mind and vote for the third. This is not about party affiliation, troll.

  • wodiej

    thank you, well said. “this is not about the Republicans getting screwed if Obama wins, it’s about the American people getting screwed”…right on w that.

  • Shiloh

    Perry’s attempt to inject partisanship into NQ is a thinly veiled attempt to undermine our effort, and one I think all of us are growing weary of. It’s just not working Perry and it never will. You’d be better off spending your time fantasizing about Rush naked with his big ol’ cigar!

  • jvsp

    Perry,
    The Republican Party doesn’t even like McCain. He is too moderate for them. The idea that McCain is more of the same is laughable. Bush’s administration was one of hyper-partisanship. McCain is anything but. At bottom, when one considers character, Obama will rule in the same fashion as Bush; hyper-partisanship. Evidence? Look at how much he has polarized this nation with his campaign of “unity.” The post-partisan, post-racial candidate is anything but. Name one example of Obama truly reaching across the aisle.

  • Shiloh

    Perry’s attempt to inject partisanship into NQ is a thinly veiled attempt to undermine our effort, and one I think all of us are growing weary of. It’s just not working Perry and it never will. You’d be better off spending your time fantasizing about Rush naked with his big ol’ cigar!

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Jvsp: I agree so much about the “us vs them” way of thinking.

    We Americans need to climb down off our ideological ladders and come together. No, not all agree with each other… we dont have to agree.. but we have to realize we’re all Americans and we’re facing some determined enemies.. some external and some internal. and have to come together and figure out a way to defeat them.

    I’m starting to believe that it’s possible that Fannie and Freddie were deliberately abused so that these events would occur. I try not to think in terms of conspiracy , I guess total and complete incompetence could explain what happened but I tend back to the conspiracy because I don’t think they could even be competent at being totally incompetent.

    ok.. that was a detour.. anyway.. I’m sick of Republicans/conservatives who dont accept the sincerity of PUMAs and other aisle-crossers, and, because there are so many more of them, just cannot stand the Far Left and their belligerently ignorant immature ways.

    We’re in big trouble if some of this stuff isn’t rolled back.

  • Touchet

    early voting?

    This election is a sham.

  • beebop

    Perry has determined only to see fault in the Republicans. Trust me. I am NO FAN of George Bush. As a former Texan, I knew what I knew before we had to live through eight years of it. Voting Democratic in Texas is kind of like screaming in a wind storm. No one hears you. Imagine my excitement to return to a BLUE state and see it matter. Imagine my excitement to see how Hillary was embraced and selected as the Democratic candidate here in OHIO WITHOUT CHEATING and know that my vote was among those and actually MEANT SOMETHING? To have the voices of so many of us silenced for this “new look” little “D” Democrat and unDemocratic party is sickening and goes against everything Democratic. When the wool comes off your eyes it is hard to go back to blind faith. Then the economy tanks based upon a policy that JIMMY CARTER enacted … come on. It’s a TWO PARTY system. To hear people like Perry claim virginal innocence for the Dems just defies intelligent reasoning.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Perry must really need that $0.05 per post to come here day after day with the same lame-ass talking points and expect a different response. Oh, wait, isn’t that the definition of insanity?

  • Perry Logan

    Quick proof I’m not an extremist: My views agree with the views of a vast majority of Americans.

    I want more gun control. A large majority of Americans want more gun control.

    I’m an environmentalist. In polls, 80% of Americans consistently describe themselves as environmentalists.

    I like the United Nations—as do more than 60% of Americans.

    I want a national healthcare system—as does a growing majority of Americans.

    I oppose the Iraq War. Just like almost everybody.

    And on and on, with issue after issue, I’m in line with the majority. Therefore, calling me an extremist is mere badmouthing. But I forgive you. :)

    Before Obama, the greatest danger to America has always been the political right.
    I would cite the fact that the Republicans put traitors and war criminals in the White House, let 9/11 happen, lost New Orleans, piddled away the Clinton deficit, engineered the Second Great Depression, gave us a Congress (the 109th) that did less than the “Do-Nothing Congress” (!), brought the Army to its knees, and let our wounded vets lie around in their own urine.

  • beebop

    Early voting will actually draw attention to the voting fraud. They can’t hide it for the next three weeks, can they?

    Welcome to NQ. I love your posts … even when they are a little … hmmmmmm ….. inflammatory? Keep hitting the trolls hard when we’re not ignoring them. Freedom Fighter is a chump.

  • beebop

    He just started to go over the edge. I’m not sure what happened. He is definitely not paid. He’s been here forever. The stock market is doing funny things to people. A lot of us have lost money. Capitalism is not the bad guy and Socialism is not the white knight.

  • secularhumanizinevoluter

    By the by, the NYTimes has a front page piece about Obamalamadingdong and his bomber buddies Ayers and that other scumbagget from the 60s.

  • beebop

    Is it an excusing piece? I try to limit my visits there to Sunday when I read the arts section …..

  • tillthen

    Ha ha, I thought the remaining surviving lawyers were looking for it/he/she/them.

  • Perry Logan

    Inject partisanship into NQ? Moi? With blanket condemnations of Democrats and liberals, weird-o winger talking points from the 1950s, and links to all know far-right websites showing up here every day?

    You’re just cheesed that I’m giving the wingers here a taste of their own medicine. They can dish it out. But they can’t take it. ;-)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    sigh…Perry.

    Democratic Policies have been much worse for the nation economically than republican ones.

    Especially the Fannie Freddie crisis.

    Seriously, i complemented you yesterday that i thought you were intelligent and could make a compelling argument.

    The above post really borders on Trollish.

    I am becoming more and more convinced with every bitter post you make that you truly do not understand the freddie fannie fiasco all and your entire frame of reference is coached in a blue dress and the indignation over the audacity to question lying under oath.

    Let the hate go perry.

    For your own peace of mind.

  • Perry Logan

    On the contrary. Socialism is the White Knight, and Americans want more of it. Simple fact.

  • tillthen

    I agree. He’s playing the nice guy, taking the high road, but this is no time for that. It is war. Marxists and terrorist abound. They must be destroyed.

  • http://cannonfire.blogspot.com Joseph Cannon

    Well, I entered that video prejudiced against Barney Frank. But Bill O’Reilly reminded me why I despise Republicans.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Perry is not a democrat.

    Perry is a Clintonista.

    A Clintonista is like an Obamacrat.

    Only its Bill Clinton that can do no wrong.

    Understand where he is coming from first and you can understand why he doesnt care who wins. His man is out and anarchy is fine by him.

    Clintonista is not the same thing as a HIllary Supporter.

    Clintonista borders dangerously close to the Obama Cult of Personality syndrome.

    Hillary Supporters were for Hillary because of her qualifications and her abilities.

  • jvsp

    Vince,
    I like debate. Obama as we have already seen squelches it. A year ago I would have thought that anyone uttering the word “conspiracy” is out of their mind. These days I don’t. One of the common denominators regarding all of Obama’s associates is that they all see America as it is as fundamentally flawed right down to the framers of the Constitution. Obama is a political Trojan Horse. Where Republicans and TRUE Democrats love their country. The extreme left does NOT.

    Best of luck!

  • Perry Logan

    Democratic Policies have been much worse for the nation economically than republican ones.

    Nuh-uh. The opposite is true.

    Democrats and Republicans have occupied the White House for roughly equal periods over the last 80-some years. The stats are interesting.

    It’s a total slam-dunk for the Democrats. The GNP grows more under Democrats. The deficit increases less (Republicans have racked up 90% of the total U.S. deficit throughout the nation’s history). The poverty rate goes down under Democrats, up under Republicans. The New Deal alone reduced the poverty rate in America from over 50% to around 20%. The government even grows less under Democrats!

    History has proven that right-wing policies never work, while liberal policies do.

    If I seem bitter, it’s just because I’ve gone into Attack Winger Mode because of the enormous influx of extreme righties into NQ—about which I am not protesting, but noting. Righties can’t help but badmouth Democrats, and when they do, I return the favor. I may be the only Democrat in the world who doesn’t take sh*the from wingers.

    But PUMA is a Democrat group, so, strictly speaking, it’s the right-wing folks who are crashing the party here.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Perry, Perry, Perry.

    Your argument is a prime example of the ad populum (appeal to the majority) and is fallacious. A majority of people at one time believed in the earth-centered Ptolemeic universe with cycles and epicycles. I suppose they used the same arguments to justify their irrational thought patterns as you do.

    That a majority of anyone believes anything is not objective evidence that it is true. These same people you refer to probably voted for W. Put that in your pipe, dullard.

    And I do want some of the same things–we just won’t get them from Oblockhead, you moron. There you are guilty of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    Finally, before you respond to any more of my posts, be forewarned that I will pick your response apart, if only to demonstrate your faulty thought processes.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    You’re delusional. No one’s made a blanket statement about Democrats.. And if a sentence did appear that way , I think most of us realize that taken in context the (theoretical) comment is only directed at the faction of Dems that it applies to.

    Hyperpartisan sensitivity to text not written to lawyerly precision tells me one is in thrall to groupthink and narcissism.

    You’re just cheesed that I’m giving the wingers here a taste of their own medicine. They can dish it out. But they can’t take it.

    I ignore you generally, I notice you often reply to my comments trying to provoke some reaction as if I would waste my time.. like i am now.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Hillary Supporters were for Hillary because of her qualifications and her abilities.

    Yep.

    As an aside, I thought Bill should have been impeached. But then, I feel a lot of Presidents should have been, including the one currently occupying the WH. High crimes and misdemeanors have no party affiliation.

  • ford

    Perry STFU…

    You are like a weasel here. Four dollars an hour is no kind of life…and when Mac wins you’ll have no frustration tolerance left…we’re concerned.

    Don’t you have something else to do today?

    Why don’t you call someone and go outside for a bit.

    It is difficult to overlook such blatant ignorance.

    You cannot defend Biden’s lies…unless you are a Bozniak.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    I want more gun control. A large majority of Americans want more gun control.

    I’m an environmentalist. In polls, 80% of Americans consistently describe themselves as environmentalists.

    I like the United Nations—as do more than 60% of Americans.

    I want a national healthcare system—as does a growing majority of Americans.

    I oppose the Iraq War. Just like almost everybody.

    And on and on, with issue after issue, I’m in line with the majority. Therefore, calling me an extremist is mere badmouthing. But I forgive you.

    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that these things are logically true. That still begs the question: Why do you support Obolockhead? You aren’t going to get any of these things with him.

    The more of your posts I read, the more I know you to be a buffon.

  • Pam

    Harry Reid told reporters Wednesday that a large well known insurance and financial firm was on the verge of going bankrupt. We had funds in one. Look at the market Wednesday afternoon and Thursday for HIG, Met and some others in that sector. The next day Senator Reid said he was sorry if there was any confusion he was just passing on what some one had told him but he did not have the name of the company. HIG lost over 30% that one day.

  • jvsp

    Why did Pelosi take impeachment off the table? The interests of the American people are of no concern. I humbly submit the wooden arrows of the bail out bill and Fannie and Freddie, etc.

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    Before the split happened in the Dem party, I wasn’t aware that there were any traditional liberals left. I was quite relieved to see the vocal outrage at the Rules meetings.

    I didn’t think i would see the day where the traditional Dems would fight against the Leftist takeover.

    Things were more obscure with everyone calling themselves a Progressive.

    I’ve been way more impressed with the Liberals this year than I have with the folks on the right.

    I dont know if it’s a attribute specific to the Left, but at least you guys organize yourselves so you can pool your efforts… conservatives have been sulking and pouting for three years and it wasn’t until we all saw the Trojan Horse Marxist that we decided to get involved with this election.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Reid is another lemming. Oh, wait, he leads the lemmings. Sorry

  • jvsp

    Sources? Don’t cite statistics sans methodology. The former is meaningless without the latter.

  • http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com InsightAnalytical-GRL

    Race, O.J., and Politics–The Potential for an October Meltdown UPDATE–SIMPSON GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS

    BREAKING—

    From the Las Vegas Sun:
    Simpson guilty on all counts; could face life imprisonment…

    I’ve been thinking about the possible ramifications of a guilty conviction, especially since racism was injected into the trial as well as during jury selection (see below)…What does Obama do? Will he be under intense pressure from his black voting block to issue a statement of some kind? And what kind of a statement could that be, what kind of balancing act would he have to do?

    I guess it depends on what kinds of demands will be made by some of his more radical followers…and if the mainstream media even allows us to know about those demands…after all, they hide nearly everything when it concerns anything dubious about Obama, his connections, and his followers.

    More on Judge Jackie Glass later…I’ll just say that my research on her has revealed that she has a reputation as a very tough judge when it comes to sentencing…

    ****

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/race-oj-and-politics-the-potential-for-an-october-meltdown/

  • tillthen

    ….and Joseph, you adore Barney Frank?

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Even statistics WITH methodology are no substitute for cogent argument. Statistics yield data only. It is how that data is manipulted (and it always is) that makes a difference. It can be used to support a sound argument but cannot replace it. I use statistics in my line of work (chemistry) only as a back up to direct observation.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Perry gets his statistics from Mediamatters.org

    Nuff Said.

    Thats like taking recomendations on how best to serve the jewish community from the gestapo.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Bill did kick Frank’s sorry ass, and how. It’s about time that the people who are to blame in this mess get their butts called out.

    .

    On a different but absolutely critical matter:

    New ad from the recently formed The Committee for Truth in Politics correctly hitting Barack Obama
    hard on the subject of Obama’s repeated, disgraceful support of infanticide:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4OPAdYiZ8

    Please pass this along, favorite it, comment on the video, etc. This is a critical issue that the
    American electorate MUST know about. It is up to all of us here to make sure that the word is
    spread.

    This is not an abortion issue. It is an issue of a man whose extremism both went against the entire
    US Senate and which led him to be the ONLY ONE of his Illinois State Senator colleagues to speak out
    against the bill.

    Please help to ensure that voters throughout the United States learn more about the dangerous,
    conscienceless radical that is Barack Obama.

    Thanks.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulFVillarreal Paul F. Villarreal

    Let me try to post that again, with correct spacing:

    New ad from the recently formed The Committee for Truth in Politics correctly hitting Barack Obama hard on the subject of Obama’s repeated, disgraceful support of infanticide:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4OPAdYiZ8

    Please pass this along, favorite it, comment on the video, etc. This is a critical issue that the American electorate MUST know about. It is up to all of us here to make sure that the word is spread.

    This is not an abortion issue. It is an issue of a man whose extremism both went against the entire US Senate and which led him to be the ONLY ONE of his Illinois State Senator colleagues to speak out against the bill.

    Please help to ensure that voters throughout the United States learn more about the dangerous, conscienceless radical that is Barack Obama.

    Thanks.

  • Touchet

    This long winded but if you read through it, it may shock you how much you are being fooled by our government.

    This election is turning out to be a complete and utter sham. America is OVER. If you think you live in a free country anymore and that your vote really counts, here is some evidence for you.

    Lets start with the Primary.

    First you have a primary that annoints a nominee by dishenfranchising two states of their votes until they knew the winner (manipulating votes). Add on to this the media and porportional voting (demographic targeting) and then give certain favorable regions more emphasis than others, you have a perfect solution for setting up an election.

    Second, you have a mock nomination where the representation did not match the actuall votes cast. This is actually the strongest case–that is the foundation of our democracy but was ignored by people whom supposedly represent you the people of the united states. Umm except in this case in the name of unity (propaganda).

    Now moving on to the General Election:

    First, certain states are changing election laws to loosen restriction to the point of allowing multiple votes. Case in point: OHIO. In Ohio, you can now walk into a polling place on election day without ANY PROOF OF ADDRESS (meaning you do not have to have an id). All you have to do is fill out a questionare promising you are a resident and you can vote. These results can not be verified untill AFTER the election is already over. You could be from Canada and as long as you knew how to write down an address that was in the city and give a fake name, you could vote in our election. No accountability, no verification. Reason: You are homeless and can’t get an ID.

    Second, In some states election laws have been changed to allow students to register in the county they are going to school in AND send in and Absentee ballot to their home state. This is being encouraged by the Obama campaign to “make sure your vote counts”. They use to make the student fill out a form stating what state they lived in ect ect…to get information to verify that they student wasn’t registered to vote in their home town at the same time. The Obama campaign stopped that. They said it was too restrictive. So of course the bias election board gaves the okay to end the questoinare.

    Third, early voting. Almost everyone else in this nation has to go to the polling place ON ELECTION DAY. The idea of early voting is insane and unfair. Why do certain states get to vote early and others don’t? That is what and absentee ballot is for. There is no reason you can’t go to the polling box on election day. If they need to extend elections, they need to do it nationally and not pick and choose which districts and places they want to make sure certain demographics vote.

    Fourth, you have a completely bias media that chooses what to report and what NOT to report. The media bias is well documented. This is a form of propaganda, plain and simple. One line sentences and catch phrases that are nothing but opinion repeated over and over to make you believe a conclusion that you didn’t come up with yourself. They give different propaganda for one side and then another, making people bicker with themselves and never actually EVER forming a majority. Amost like a quasi dual propaganda fight.

    The solution is easy to solve. Have a national election law that elimanates fraudent and bias election laws. But why don’t they do this? Because they don’t want to, thats why.

    Bottom line, all this points to the fact that while they may count votes, they are rigging elections to favor one canidate over another–BOTTOM LINE. They do it through selective voter selection, registration drives, and changing election laws to favor certain demographics over another. Whomever has the most money, has the most resources, and can rig and election in their favor wins. If you can believe that elections are still fair after all the evidence to the contrary, you are a fool. Nothing ever gets done about it because the media propaganda makes sure that one side is in almost equal porportions (though it may seem, but how would you know) to the other side, thus no agreement is ever made to correct the problem: No consensus is established. Elections are an illusion. Elections are nothing but a game over whom can rigg it the best. Welcome to the conclusion of a respresentative rebuplic. A direct democracy doesn’t have this issue.

    The question now you have to ask yourself is this. Why are they wanting Obama to be in office. Why? Why go through all this trouble to set up and manipulate the election? What possible reason could they have?

    They are already telling you. Have you noticed the news every week or so, talking about Africa. I have seen reports on the Copper industry there. Terrorism in Semolia. Oil and mineral resources. Now that England has all but abandoned its foothold there, Africa is starting to develop its own governments. If we can get a foothold on the resources in that country, we will have an outlet for more businesses and power in the global market. What better way than to buy a chicago corrupted politican that is actually born to an African and very popular over there, to go into africa and set up good relations with them. Its all about power and money and you have absolutely NO ROLE in deciding that. don’t you guys get it, you are all playing the game.

    Our founding fathers knew this type of corruption in government. They sought to minimize it, but america is gone already. The great experiment in democracy has failed. There is no America left, at least as you know it.

  • trails

    Whether you like O’Rielly shouldn’t impact the way you feel about Barney Frank. That man helped financially rape the American taxpayer. At minimum, he should lose his job.

  • Steve1

    Hey, Soetoro fits right in there…Larry Sinclair allegations..

  • Ferd McBerfle

    You’re only bitter because no one will jump on board the hell-in-a-handbasket express with you.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    ok perry. thats are out right lies and distortions.

    First the legislative branch is pretty much responsible for appropriating spending and making laws.

    The executive pranch is responsible for signing them or vetoing them. They can make recommendations, but the president aka the white house can not enact laws out of the blue.

    You just pulled a joe biden and claimed that because a republican has been in the whitehouse its the republicans who are controlling spenging government growth etc.

    The majority of the past 100 years the democrats have controlled the congress where laws are written and pork barrel spending is created.

    Perry, if you dont want to be called a liar don’t use false propositions to support your claims.

    I am quickly losing respect for your ability to reason with facts that are accurate.

    And please stop siting polls from left wing socialist minded organizations as proof of what most americans want.

    Even Rasmussen just had a poill out that said 57% of americans still agree with the Reagan mantra that too much government is still the problem.

    Seriously perry. If your going to lie about history, about policy, about who caused what crisis, about who was in control of the actual peurse strings, make sure you post it on blogs where there are people who think history started with the publication of “Dreams of my father”.

    Those BIdenisms don’t fly here.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Point well taken.

  • Steve1

    I agree, so does Paul Paulson, both parties are responsible for this mess. The CEOs on wall street must be brought to trial for participating in this financial greed.

  • Steve1

    It reminds me of Robert Mugabe, having his thug supporters sing him praises while Zimbabwe burns!

  • Gal from Tex

    was wondering how many minorities and vulnerable people refinanced their perfectly good 30 year mortgages to “pull cash out” or “pay off debt” during the go go years of the housing boom

    Every one of my inlaws in California…to the tune (including cousins) of 15 families. It was a way to get a new car, pay off the vacation, add an addition to the house. When my husband accepted a job in TX, his current employer offered to get us an “interest only” loan. We said on a 500K home? No thanks. Well guess what, an affordable house in TX that won’t break my budget? Now THAT’S change I can believe in!

  • Ferd McBerfle

    I don’t know why she did that. It was her only hammer, as it were, with the Administration. Methinks she is a closet neocon.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Their front page on the site says this:

    Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths
    By SCOTT SHANE

    A review of records suggests that Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weathermen, were not close.

    hahahahaha

    omg.

    THe actual article goes on to say he is just a guy in the neighborhood and that bill ayers should be judged on all the good he has done and that bill actually was condemming terrorism in an oped 3 days after 9/11.

    Basicly its another MSM peice that tries to do what all the other peices have done for obama befoe a story gets traction. Make it insignificant and make excuses for it.

    but the last sentence is pretty funny:

    “If Barack Obama says he’s willing to talk to foreign leaders without preconditions,” Mr. Hayden said, “I can imagine he’d be willing to talk to Bill Ayers about schools. But I think that’s about as far as their relationship goes.”

    haha

    NYT so in the Tank for Barack Obama that they laminate the print edition.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    The CEOs on wall street must be brought to trial for participating in this financial greed.

    They need to be indicted, arrested, and tried. If convicted, all their assets should be confiscated in payment for the pink jumpsuits and heavy hammers that will be provided them for making pea gravel out of boulders.

  • Ferd McBerfle

    Jouralism has now become repackaged talking points. I’m sure that looks *really* stellar on the old resume.

    Heaven help us all.

  • JohninCA

    Boycott.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    why’s that Joe?

    Because someone in the media had the balls to call frank out for the shit he has been pulling with fannie freddie?

    .

    You do know that before Democrats took control in the House, frank was the minority leader in the committee he runs now and he led the minority party along party line votes time and time again using the filibuster rule of 60% vote needed to get things out of committee to the house floor, to stall block and kill any regulation and over-sight over the past 7 years…right?

    .

    You do know that Barney frank may look like a fat chicken but he is the fat fox thats been living in the hen house and making sure the other foxes got taken care of…right?

    .

    You do know the reason they are putting him as the head of the investigative committee is to protect him because once the investigation hits him all the connections go round the hand out carousell in the house from there….right?

    .

    You do know the best way to protect the scam is to protect the guy running the scam…right?

    .

    You do know
    that when Barney Frank says he only came to power in the comittee in january 2007, his is obfuscating that he was named the majority chair of the committe in 2007, but prior to that he was actually the minority leader in that committee spearheading the filibustering reform resistant cover up the stink with a happy face and making sure to prevent any investigation from going forward fully or any bill or reform from coming out of committee that would have stopped the raiding of the Fannie Freddie Hen House before they were done…right?

    .

    You do know that Barney Frank and Chriss DOdd and other democrats under the auspices of making housing affordable for everyone, set up severe financial penalties for lending institutions that refused to ensure that a certain percentage of all loans made were to people who basicly were incredibly risky investments and most likely would end up in forecloser if the economy took a dive….right?

    .

    You do know that because of the Democrats Frank and Dodd, the democrat supported and pushed for reduction of fannie fredie acceptable mortgage guidlines in terms of what is acceptable as a viable risk mortgage is what created the predatory lending because banks had to accept these shitty loans under federal laws…right?

    .

    You do know that a person making 100K could qualify for a mortgage of 450K with no principal all interest payments and temporarily fixed interest rate easily 3 years ago and hope to easily refinance before the predatory terms gotcha and relying completely on inflated value appreciation for profit instead of principal paydown, because of the forced lowering of standards on what is acceptable risk in loan management because of Frank Dodd Democrats Freddie and Fannie where pushing the meme that housing values would never stop going up and that unsupportable tenant was what they based their policy on….right?

    .

    You do know that the whole time the Fannie Freddie meltdown was going on was not just the past 2 months but the past 7 years and the people in bed with Frank Dodd and the democrats where cooking the books to make their mortgage portfolios look a lot better than they were and were paying themselves multi million dollar bonuses based on inflated value of fannie freddie stock and basicly pulling an Enron Valueflation scheme with the help of the Democrat guardians who covered it up for them for 7 years…right?

    .

    You do Know all the principles took their golden parachutes and sold their stock options while Barney frank was on tv saying fannie freddie were going to be solid going forward, essentiall misleading investors so that insiders could dump their stock options and make millions before the truth came out fully and the stock fell to worthless…right?

    .

    You do know that if a CEO of a company went on TV and announced the company had solid expactations going forward to boost the stock after bad news so his cronnies could quietly dump the stock and get their money out before it went boom is illegal and if the governement went after him he could very well end up in prison for years for doing that…right?

    You do know all this (and there is much more still to come) but you come away from that video really turned off by O’Riely’s indignation and yelling and feeling sympathy for poor barney frank…right?

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    Me too. She is strong and smart. Sort of like a couple of women I have seen in politics.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Impeachment was traded with the bush administration for not pushing on fannie freddie when the 850 billion dollar scam goes down most likely.

    Lets not forget Paulson is a democrat who presided over some pretty shitty mortgage crisis and was appointed by bush with the blessing of Pelosi Frank and Dodd.

  • beebop

    Maybe America isn’t for you … maybe YOU need to find yourself another country. Me? I’m not interested in Socialism, communism, Facism or the Obamaisms … bugger off now Perry, my patience with you is KAPUT.

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    Shit, Jerry. That is like saying if Hitler helped out at my yard sale I should forgive him for all of his previous ills.

    I do not understand this blanket white washing. J. White is a national menace. But, since he is O’s man we can just write him off. Ayers is a man who would kill a president. But, since he is O’s man we can just write him off.

    We wrote off a kook called OBL and look what happened.

    Barack H. Obama is a dangerous person.

    A few weeks ago the FBI called him in to a Chicago office for a private interview. Standing with the Fitzgerald policy, they will not reveal if or if not Obama was a subject of interest. But I do not like the idea of someone who should go to jail being in charge of those who could make that decision.

    Work. Fight. Keep this shitass out of office.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    30% in one day…

    How much did it pick back up the next?

    Feeding false information to the market to bring a stock down so you can go in and make a killing on it on the uptick is called market manipulation.

    People on wallstreet who get busted for that go to federal prison.

    HIG went from 55 a share to below 28 at weeks close. At its lowest point it was 25.6 a 50% drop in stock price.

    Over the next two weeks if it turns out that it wan’t HIG Harry the Huckster wasn’t referring to, expect it to recoup 80% of its loss.

    Guess who makes a kiling on that…

    Harry’s Harem of Insider Traders.

  • http://www.governuts.us Agust304

    Repeat that word. RAPE. That is what he did.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    FBI has to be very careful on how they prgress with their investigation on Barack Obama…one little misstep and the country will have a race war on its hands.

    THey have to be 300% certain that they have a rock solid case against him before they proceed.

  • Touchet

    this called propaganda, kiss america good bye. This happened with the FCC deregulations of the media.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    wait isn’t Joseph Cannon the guy who was claiming the Birth Certificate Daily Kos had was legitamate and unimpeachable?

  • http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312 VinceP1974

    I disagree. The private sector did exactly what the Govt told them to do.

    This whole episode is a great example of why conservatives want govt kept out as much as possible from private business.. because when they involve themselves BEYOND THE ROLE OF CRIME, they usually screw things up.. especially in economics.

    (I’m not saying the Republicans actually live by this principle.. i was just supporting the idea)

    All of the features of this disaster that made it disasterous as opposed to merely painful were due to Govt regulations.

    The problem is bad debt was securitized and now the holdings are worth very little from thier original value.

    This problem starts in 77 with the CRA. The CRA says that Banks have to throw out their fiscial responsiblibit and loan money to poeple who would never have been given a loan to before.

    This is in the name of equality and compassion!

    Of course it was really done to pander and to engage in some Identity Politics with minority groups. It certainly wasnt’ done to help someone.

    Why is giving people loans they will fail on considsered help?

    Then Fannie Mae /Freddie were told by Clinton.. we’ll use you to encourage the banks obligated by CRA to keep making more loans.. to help them do this, we’ll use FM to buy the bad loans from the banks.

    So now that debt discipline is gone, the new debt products are available and used by everyone in society. So the scale of the problem jumps from the poor areas to all areas.

    In 1999 the Democrats insert into Gramm’s bank reform law a requirement that any bank entering the investment markets must meet all their CRA requirements. This guarantees that every bank going into the new systems have a significant portion of their debt be ticking time bombs.

    On the Fannie Mae side, the more of these debts they sell to the finance system, the more they could say they earned in profits and make huge bonuses.. Since FM is considered a quasi-govt agency, everyone doing bus with it considers all transactions backed up by the Govt.

    The massive corruption and fraud at Fannie is discovered in 2003. New management is put into place. They’re told to keep the revenues up. This pumps even more bad loans into the system.

    Banks are encouraged to loan, people are encouraged to buy and own houses, traders are encouraged to make profit off Fannie.

    The Fed raises rates in 2005. Mortgage defaults start to happen and the entire charade begins to collapse.

    And you want Wall St CEOs in jail?

    Everything above were policies created by the Democrats.

    Since the beginning, the Bush admin kept warning over and over about FM. But the Dems played their identity politics game and called those concerned, racists.

    Leave the CEOs alone. They are victims of the Govt just like everyone else.

    Instead put into the gallows:
    Reid
    Schumer
    Waters
    Frank
    Dodd
    Obama
    Reins
    Johnson
    and most of all

    Jamie Gorelick.. Justice demands that all the catastrophe this woman has been involved in (9/11 and FM)that she pay with her blood.

  • Pordoner

    90% of that movie was bullshit, just the Kerry swiftboat movie.

    Neither make me support Obama less or more– they are irrelevant to stopping Obama. All they manage to do is irritate the real Democrats on this site because we know what they are. If you want to believe it, fine. I don’t.

  • http://chriss chris

    I am no Bush lover, but at least he and his family do not bash America or it’s citizens. Unlike Obama who says that America is not a nice place to be but he will change it. I don’t want his changes because my freedom will be gone. He must not get elected.

  • fif

    The ad is too intellectual. Someone needs to do an ad that explains, graphically, what this issue is about. Leaving babies to die without medical care, because we don’t “want to make the mother second guess her decision.” I am pro-choice, but once that baby survives, it is a separate, living entity that deserves to be treated! It’s horrific, and again shows the lack of connection, empathy, this man exhibits in various ways.

  • Vicki

    Another problem is that banks are limited as to what stocks they could buy, and the GSEs were often one of their few choices. Now that they are defunct, the banks have less collateral to loan against and have reached their limit.

  • fif

    These people are disgusting. Wasn’t Tim Robbins on too? Notice they don’t spend any time actually talking about the candidate they DO support? Their entire “open-minded, tolerant, liberal” efforts are composed of destroying the opponent. Congratulations guys–you’ve become what you despised. Rove, Mellon-Scaife & Co. would be so proud.

  • Pordoner

    Conservatives would do a lot better in getting support if they used precise weaponry, rather than blasting everyone with the same neutron bomb: “damn Liberal Democrats” vs. “damn inept, corrupt Barney Frank.”

  • http://chriss chris

    Here, here and I agree. Very well put! Americans better wake up before Nov. 4,vote McCain or they will pay a heavy price for an Obama admisitration.

  • http://chriss chris

    Wow that’s amazing and disgusting all at once. Does the average American have any chance at all in any of this stuff. No. We just get hit from all sides and have to take it. Anyone voting for Obama has to be nuts.

  • Leisa

    I am so sick of Obama ads being plastered on news articles. I am already disgusted by the lack of integrity in the media, and those ads just further the impression that the news outlet is slanting information in favor of that candidate.

    Anyway, it is about time McCain decided that he has to do what the media refuses, show us the real Obama.

  • pal3

    If you listen to Bill O’reily radio show, you can tell that he is supporting Obama. If you watch his interview with Obama, it was really weak. He gave Obama a pass.

  • Madison

    All In the Family The democrats and ceo Fannie mae Freddie Mac and more-Down load this on Disk and send to all…I have it on VCR – DISK -CD- ALL IN THE FAMILY

    And download as you see this-

    All In the Family
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rodIc9E1g7E

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