If you believe in evolution, it was the egg. If you deny evolution, it was the chicken. Either way, it’s just a stupid question, not a paradox.

The “mother’s basement” line– which you’ve clumsily copied from others’ comments directed to you and others like you– only works if chiding armchair warriors who advocate a child’s comic-book view of war (kill all the bad guys) but lack the emotional maturity to appreciate the reality of the horror it entails (the megadeaths of innocents that actually result from such a simplistic view).

Sorry, but you’re just going to have to come up with your own lines, Sonny.

They must have really vetted it, because last year Jews in the audience used laser targets on the screen when Shrubya’s video presentation was shown.

Must have been more details of the IG Farben/ ‘trading with the enemies act’ leaks getting out ahead of the last convention… made audience members hyper partisan at the time.

Cheney swung the pendulum back as best he could.

Called my Congresspersons demanding his censure as he spoke. He conflated Al Qaeida/Osama with Iraq once again. Unless he knows something the NIE doesn’t and hid that from Congress he should clairfy the supposed facts he states.

(And GreyWolf will enjoy it too.)

[snip]

CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ AND A STRONGER AL QAEDA

Zbigniew Brzezinski: If we are willing to engage with all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran — in a regional effort to contain the violence, the best we can hope for is an Iraq that is politically passive but hostile toward America.

Gen. Tony McPeak: It’s not a question of whether we’re going to leave Iraq — it’s a question of when. And everybody in Iraq knows that. So they say, “Fine. We’ll stock arms and wait for you guys to leave. And then we’ll do what we want.”

But the administration has repeatedly highlighted the potential for chaos in Iraq after our departure as a reason we must stay and fight.

Richard Clarke: All the things they say will happen are already happening. Iraq is already a base for terrorists; there is already a civil war. We’ve got 150,000 troops there now and we can’t stop it.

Nir Rosen: There is no best-case scenario for Iraq. It’s complete anarchy now. No family is untouched by kidnappings, murders, ethnic cleansing — everybody lives in a constant state of terror. Leaving aside Kurdistan, which is very different, there’s nobody in Iraq who is safe. You can get killed for being a Sunni, for being a Shia, for being educated, for being part of the former regime, for being part of the current regime. The Americans are still killing Iraqi civilians left and right. There’s no government in Iraq; it doesn’t exist outside of the Green Zone. That’s not only the government’s fault, that’s our fault: We deliberately created a weak government so that we would have final authority over everything in Iraq.

Michael Scheuer: Even in the best-case scenario, the disaster we’re seeing now is nothing compared to the disaster that we’ll see after we leave. The real issue here is American interest: The longer we stay, the more people we get killed. I don’t think the longer we stay, the better we make Iraq. Probably the reverse.

What happens to the civil war between Iraq’s Sunni and Shia Arabs when we leave?

Juan Cole: The civil war will go on for five or ten years — that’s inevitable. But the best-case scenario is, at the end of it they find a way to come back together as a nation-state, like Lebanon did in 1989.

Rosen: People are talking about a reconciliation process, but Iraqi Shias don’t want to compromise with the Sunnis. They don’t have to. There’s going to be a genocide of Sunnis in Baghdad. The Shia have the numbers to do it; they can absorb all the Sunni car bombs it takes. The Americans aren’t capable of stopping it; they can’t tell a Sunni from a Shia. The best you can hope for is that it doesn’t spill into the neighboring countries.

McPeak: You have to hope that Iraq devolves into a federal state with three strong regional governments. But that has its downsides: The Turks would go berserk. They would see Kurdistan as a base for the Kurdish insurgency inside Turkey, which has bedeviled them like the IRA in Ireland or the Basques in Spain. And if Iraq devolves into three separate “stans,” then it’s going to be pretty tough for Sunnistan not to provide a retirement home for Al Qaeda agents. It’s got warts all over it — but among the “don’t call my baby ugly” possibilities in this world, that looks the prettiest.

So even in the best of scenarios, Al Qaeda has a lasting base in Iraq?

Paul Pillar: The president made it sound like Osama bin Laden is poised to march into Baghdad and take up residence in one of Saddam’s old palaces and rule this terrorist state. Nothing of the sort is possible — even as a worst-case scenario. It is true that five years from now, the same people honing their skills in Anbar province may form the cell that will try to pull off another 9/11. But that’s going to happen regardless of what we do. We have the best chance of minimizing those sorts of costs by getting out. At least that takes away the anti-American cause célèbre effect of our presence there.

Scheuer: No matter what happens now, the Islamists will have beaten both of the superpowers — first the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, and now the United States in the heart of Islam. The impact of that in Islamic civilization is going to be enormous. We have made bin Laden a prophet: His organizing concept for Al Qaeda was “The Russians are a lot tougher than the Americans. If we can beat the Russians, then we can eventually beat the Americans.” Even more important, Al Qaeda will have contiguous territory on the Arab peninsula to attack from.

Where does that leave Israel?

Scheuer: The neoconservatives and their war in Iraq have made Israeli security worse than at any time since 1967. You’ll see more and more people trying to launch attacks in Israel who are not Palestinian or Lebanese. None of it bodes well for a Middle East peace settlement.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13710030/leaving_iraq_the_grim_truth/print

Still writing from your mother’s basement?

O little boy, when you stand in front of your mirror and puff out your little chest and say stuff like this, what voice do you prefer, John Wayne or Jack Webb?

Just for fun, try Elmer Fudd next time, or for a sinister don’t-fuck-with-me-man-or-I’ll-blow edge, mix with a little Christopher Walken.

And keep checking in, clown shoes. Man, that’s comedy!

Susan, Larry, Leslie, PH, and all, thank you so much for helping to get the word out about how unfairly our soldiers and sailors have been treated throughout this debacle. I was glad to hear Clinton renew her call today on the ‘vast right wing conspiracy’. She was right then, and I think many now see, she is correct today. The FACTS, when put across a timeline, show the plan step by step. I hope people open their eyes, and more importantly, their hearts, and give way for the Truth. This is a wonderful and great Nation, that has been taken over and soiled by corporate greed.

A very wise man once said… You cannot serve God and money. It was true then, as it is true today. We will all be called one day to decide. Just as our forefathers had to do when they revolted against the authority of the King of England… Soon, those among us who have not yet confronted the beast,will be forced to do so. I pray for us all.

Get out of your mother’s basement;get your own place.

Get a REAL job.

Get laid.

Have a nice day,
Your friend,

Graywolf

Any 2 of these would do wonders for your pathetic little lives. Three would be the jackpot.

As Pat Lang always positions the issue, if there is a *true existential threat* to Israel, that is a most serious matter because we are Israel’s ally. (Which makes Jim Webb’s remarks on ABC’s This Week so right on — Webb says we can only withdraw from Iraq if we have ongoing, regional, vigorous diplomacy — and that also necessarily works to make Israel more secure.)

Speaking of which, I thoroughly enjoyed Gov. Brian Schweitxer on Charlie Rose last week. You can listen/watch at http://www.charlierose.com
– just scroll down the page — you’ll see Schweitzer’s wide, friendly face, and can click on the video.

In talking with Charlie, Schweitzer covered Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Hormutz, and on and on. And (!) the future of the House of Saud. He also discussed our energy situation — and how to get independent of the Mideast –including that biofuels can only, at most, replace 1/6 of our current energy needs, and we need to come up with other ways.

Schweitzer spent seven years in Saudi Arabia, and speaks fluent Arabic. He is a realist about the Mideast and about our dependence on the region. He is also a realist about how long our military will be in the Mideast (as long as we need oil), and about our ties to Israel.

AIPAC booed Pelosi’s speech. She must’ve spoken after Cheney accused Democrats of treason and wanting to kill US troops.

Meanwhile, AIPAC has made common cause with Christian zionists, such as Pastor John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel, who when not cultivating ties with AIPAC and Israel gives sermons like this, see YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SDjzW43XrY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftedneros%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F

Hurrah for Armageddon! To war, to war, it’s off to war we go….annihilate anyone who may pose a threat at some point in the future, even if they aren’t a threat. And if Baghdad isn’t the center of al Qaeda’s “caliphate,” we made it the center, so it is now, and we’ve got to bomb it in order to save it from itself. That’s how the US spreads freedom and democracy!

Hey, here’s a web site that you, even you, might benefit from: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Olberman is truly a stupid asshole….AND he can’t get it up, according to a former groupie – who was not challenged in that assertion.