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Post-Debate Open Thread #2

By SusanUnPC on October 8, 2008 at 12:04 AM in Barack Obama, Debates, John McCain

We’re heading towards 500 comments, so I’m setting up this new post-debate thread, and will close comments in the previous post-debate thread.

Give it your all. Report any trolls to susanunpc at gmail dot com . we have zero tolerance these days. If they want to spam blogs, they can go spam someone else’s blog. Not ours.

http://www.liberalrapture.com/ John

why is everyone so glooming. From what I am reading the media thought McCain did quite well.

A Citizen

George Soros has been requested to testify before the Committee on Oversight and Government reform about the financial crisis:

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20081002120615.pdf

tek

George Soros and Rupert Murdoch are proof that the U. S. needs to close immigration. Very bad people who now control our political system.

http://www.liberalrapture.com/ John

why is everyone so gloomy. From what I am reading the media thought McCain did quite well.

Newly Independent

They were hoping for Palin “excitement” from McCain. That American Idol-ish sort of hype. The stuff that the silly MSM & Obamabrats live for.

Instead, McCain gave off a Presidential presence – cool, calm & collected.

http://icowrich.livejournal.com Rico

McCain struck me as cool, calm, and collected at the beginning. He smiled alot, made good eye contact with his opponant, and seemed in overall good humor. About halfway through, however, he started to slip more and more into agitation. I think the “bomb Iran” and “obliterate North Korea” comments got under his skin, a bit.

Even the Fox News commentators (who seem contractually bound to favor republicans) were of the opinion that McCain didn’t help himself in any substantive way tonight.

pm317

Two things stick out from the debate:

“that one” if people want to know what that was about, they will find out it was about Obama’s vote for the pork-laden Bush-Cheney energy bill and that McCain voted against it. Smart move, McCain.

“this is my proposal, not Obama’s, not Bush’s” I think this was the bombshell and in the remaining days if McCain camp can convincingly sell his version of HOLC, he would have scaled his economy hurdle. I think Obama got flat footed with this one and I think that was McCain camp’s intention. If they had talked about it leading up to this debate, Obama would have come up with a me too and McCain spared himself that. Now we have to see how they develop it.

Judy L. NC

I fell asleep during the debate but heard about “that one” on the news this morning. My first thought was it was a shot at Nancy Pelosi’s “The One”. Thanks for the heads up on what the reference was.

tek

I love McCain’s “That One” remark. ‘Bout time Obama got treated like an object the way he treats other people, especially women. I wrote The Nation and told them to just save their faux outrage. They didn’t write an editorial and whine when Obama called Hillary a bitch.

wtf

Obama called Hillary a bitch?

What? Link?

RedDragon62

I thought McCain did okay. He did not do what many wanted him to do but the format did not lend itself to that. I did like when he did go after Barky and then when he looked the people in the eye and said…….”Look at our Records.”

I thought that was effective.

Obama…well what can you say. Same shit…different Messiah!

TeakWoodKite

I thought McCain was out to make the point that BO “does not understand”.

In fact BO said “it’s true” that he doesn’t understand how AUMF was voted for.

Wierd ’cause many Democrats voted for it too.

tek

Many Democrats manipulated the rules of the DNC and shoved Obama on the ticket. Many Democrats voted turned on their own party to promote Obama so they can get power and money for themselves. Many Democrats are crooks and sellouts.

Brendy

Problem is people WON’T or don’t have the access or KNOW where to look for/at their records. But then if you’re a hard-core democrat and only want a democrat (ANY demcrat, such as in this thief/liar’s case) then they don’t care about ANYBODY’S record – they just WANT A DEMOCRAT in the W.H. – Obama!

Not only does Obama and his handlers scare me, the people in this country VOTING for him SCARE me.

KathyNeocon

I don’t buy all the bloom and gloom. The MSM are running themselves ragged shoving BO down our throats and trying to sell him as the clear winner. Look how Fox spun the silly supposedly independent voters (really dolts) right after the debate? A couple of them sounded like Obots, hardly independent. It was such a sham.

If I’m not mistaken in the last two Presidential elections the leader in the polls heading into election day didn’t win.

I’m not saying McCain will win, but I don’t buy the MSM line he’s done. This is FAR from over.

KathyNeocon

sorry for typo–doom and gloom–LOL.
Brandon

The reason the last two elections ended up different than the polling is because the popular vote was so close. If this election is that close as well come election day, then it is possible that Obama will lose. If, however, Obama keeps expanding his lead like he has been, and McCain keeps dropping out of states like Michigan, then McCain is guaranteed to lose.

PhxNickD

I think WSJ did an article on polling within the last few days. Someone posted a comment on it. While all these polls are supposedly representative of D-R-I (~40%-30%-20&); not all people vote along party lines so the polls become skewed. A more accurate representation of the voters in the country would be how they fall in line with how they vote i.e. Liberal – Moderate – Conservative (~28%-36%-37%). This would explain how Kerry maintained leads in the polls and did not win in 2004. With only 28% of this country claiming Liberal, it is hard to believe that many people will win an election for Obama. While they are more vocal, that is just typical of the bleeding heart liberals.

(Note: my numbers aren’t exact, but you get the drift.)

ScottVA

EXACTLY! At this very same time 4 years ago…. polls had Kerry 3 points over Bush!

Brandon

3 points is basically a statistical tie. When you go above 5 points, then that is a different story. Right now, the average for Obama is about a 5.5 point lead, at least according to Real Clear Politics.

KathyNeocon

I don’t buy it. The polls have a bigger margin of error than they say. I don’t believe their random sampling is anything of the sort. The so-called values voters don’t show up anywhere in the polls but they go out and vote on election day. It’s going to be very close.

Irish1139

Just remember the polls in the primaries that showed Obama ahead and when the election was held, Hillary beat him instead.

JP

Real Clear is based in Chicago

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/about.html

just saying…

wry

Yeah, all those black voters in the room in Virginia hadn’t made up their minds yet?
Were they being PC or truthful. That Frank Luntz is useless.

KathyNeocon

And the white guy who started going off on McCain looked and sounded like a crazy Obot. He had that crazy, wild, wide-eyed Obama-worshipper look on his face and plenty of hostility in his voice. Undecided?!?! a’ight.

Hey FoxNews–What about me? I’m undecided. Can’t you tell? Isn’t it obvious? Put me in your undecided focus group after the next debate. I’ll give you some feedback!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!

http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

Sort of like choosing the first jury for OJ’s murder trial…they were no doubt saying “OJ, who? never heard of him before.”

Hap Hazard

You are right about the polls, which are, like debates, purely a media event.Why we continue to do them, just because the Kennedy-Nixon ones were a novel idea, is beyond me. I think the Palin factor and the disillusioned democrats factor are also important this time, as opposed to earlier years. Of course the fact that the media did nothing to report on Obama’s past leftist radical associations and the mysterious holes in many years of his past life, might also weigh in people’s minds, possibly. I for one will be praying a lot. It is hard for me to envision the country under the control of leftists as if it were a banana republic…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

because some of the hysterical ninnies on the right wing blogs are screaming that McCain didnt bring up ayers and wright and stuff.

It was a town hall debate. It was the peoples questions.

Not answering the Peoples Questions is the worst thing you can do.

Bringing up things not asked about is the second worst thing you can do.

McCain was strong and steady on the economy and dropped two bombshells nobody is talking about too much yet.

1) he started Tying Obama to Freddie Fannie and the Democrtats to the mess

2) he Proposed the government buy bad mortgages and renogotiate the terms for the homeowners to keep their homes and reduce principle and make them good mortgages again. (THAT IS HUGE and wins him a big chunk of votes…wait and see)

2.5) he also kept hitting over and over Record vs Rhetoric

And on FOreign Policy he Schooled Barack Obutthead.

And he got in a number of really nice zingers without being too showey about it.

THe media wont cover it but the voters will get it.

Relax.

The debate is not an open forum for him to bring up ayers.

That looks desperate.

And the one thing america did not see tonight was a desperate john mccain. They say steady and even and tempered and experienced and intelligent.

And he hit it hard on his final question that what they saw is the type of leader we need in these troubling times, an even hand on the wheel.

Barack…meh..i cant asses his performance because of bias. He lies so much i cant get past it and actually hear the shit he is selling any more.

Let Palin do the dirty work as she is doing.

The Media ignores John McCain but they dont ignore Palin.

Let Palin mention ayers and wright and rezko and frank and fanni and freddie.

Let John appeal to the undecideds.

Chill
Chill
CHill

We have a very good chance of winning.

The polls are plumped heavily in baracks favor. that actually helps us as a lot of the youth vote will not be motivated to go to polls if they think they are in the lead and will win. Thats a proven fact.

Just relax and let the republicans do what republicans are very good at.

By Election day Barack will be spending so much time pushing back against ayers wrigth rezko and all the other turds in the toilet bowl of his past associations america will be all to happy to flush twice to get rid of the floater named hopenchange.

McTampa Baracuda

Jeremiah, you are the calm in the storm. I don’t know what we would do without you.

I do wish McCain would have called Tarzan on more of his lies but maybe he will do it out on the stump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

hey i would have loved more than anyone to see mccain kick barack in the balls and then say “thats for hanging out with terrorist pricks and unpatriotic assholes you jerk. You don’t deserve to be president!”

But that’s not going to get us anywhere.

Slow and steady wins this race.

Be within 2 late deciders will go McCain.

Just wait and see.

http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

You are on it, Jeremiah!
bemused

You’re right, JGDAW, much as we would all like to inflict our own anger on the None, it’s the same as the old “why doesn’t Hillary call him out” line. Because it is poor tactics. It is the wrong fight. It’s being the guy in the movie who is showing off his sword tricks while the other guy pulls out a gun and just shoots him. I think an important point of the debates in general is for the candidates to make a personal impression that connects with the audience. They aren’t going to remember the policy points, but the demeanor.

Ted Kennedy’s Swim Coach

Dude! You are hilarious!

I do agree with you that if Obama is ahead in the polls by election day it will depress his voter turn out. The american idol demographic will figure that they have it in the bag anyhow and they won’t show up. By that point they will already be fixated on another new shiny toy.

Also you bring up a good point that if McCain brought up Ayers when it was unrelated to any questions it would make him seem desperate.
Pitbull Palin can bring it up, over and over again, and she will get the attention, and the news coverage. Not to mention that she is getting bigger crowds than Barfie.
McCain can hold the high ground for now, and he certainly does not appear rattled nor panicked.

McCain is in good shape. He is on track to win the election this year.
Northwest rain

Bingo!!

You are absolutely correct in your assessment.

McCain the Honu (turtle) —

Slow and steady.

Obama’s inability to answer a question with a short, concise sentence (or paragraph!) was very irritating.

You know McCain hit below the belt when Obama demanded a rebuttal. Obama is all ego — this is all about Obama.

McCain is about love of country. Obama always adds this bit as an after thought — oh yeah — ah ah me too — yep this is a great country blah blah blah. But Obama isn’t speaking from his heart.

Security moms won’t be voting for Obama.
Indy

Jeremiah..thanks for your calmm assessment. I agree with you. IF the Opods thought they were losing, they would be wailing right now. Because BO didn’t exactly go after McCain either (on the crap he’s been slinging thru surrogates). It is the conventional wisdom that the VP candidate handles the red meat attacks, and Sarah Palin is doing that.

BO was not exciting, inspired or “new”. I would guess an outside observer might call it a push. I thought the difference in philosphy was clear between the 2. I personally think that people will go with the “old” guy who is a known quantity and does possess the wisdom and experience to navigate us through difficult times (domestic and foreign policy).

I also believe that whole Rev Wright thing was a deal breaker, and it will show in the polls Nov 4.
Seattle Moss

Jeremiah,
You have hit the nail on the head!!

Thanks,
cleffnote

Ya, that was huge alright, it was huge when Hillary had it as one of her solutions during the primary too. Man oh man we have the wrong candidate in this race. I can’t stand to listen to either one of them.
Sue

I agree!!

The format didn’t leave opportunities for McCain to bring up Ayers or Wright or any of Obama’s radical associations. It would have looked a bit ridiculous had he tried to do so.

I don’t know why everyone is buying into all the polling and what the media says. We know they’re in the tank for Obama, what do they expect? Even the staunch right wingers and conservatives, who know this, are saying it’s over. Excuse me?? We have a month to go in this race. Anything can happen.

I’m not giving up because I think we’re going to win this. A lot of people in this country are still not comfortable with Obama and there are still a lot of undecided voters. Those people will break for McCain.
stefystef

Excellent post. I agree that McCain didn’t need to go to character attacks… leave that for the surrogates.

I thought McCain looked good.

Just one little thing, after the debate. McCain greeted people briefly and left. Obama stuck around. Now, most people didn’t see that, but the news people did and on appearances, it looked like Obama was connecting more with people. McCain needs to get more with the crowds while the cameras are there.

I thought McCain did a fine job and I’m usually critical of him. But the media is already in the bag for Obama so what do you expect from them.

PhxNickD

I thought the debates were boring. McCain did not do what was needed. Obama did better then expected and like Palin last week that was enough for him to be declared the winner.

McCain did say something that really bothered me, about buying up over priced homes, reappraising them and refinancing them. On the blog today someone said that was Obama’s plan and I went crazy. I do not care how bad the economy is, that option is a frigin no brainer. Investors who caused this whole mess will make out like bandits and the greedy people will get hundreds of thousands of dollars for buying over priced crap and the good honest people will get shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

no. its a plan for people who are about to lose their homes not for investors.

Its going to net him 90% of the foreclosure or facing forecloser or worried about balooning overpriced mortgage votes.

Look here is the thing. If people give up their homes cause they cant make the paymenst and let them go into foreclosure there are two big problems.

First adjacent property values are affected.

Second Proprty taxes dont get payed and that decreases state and local revinue. thats BAD!

Stabalizing a lot of the lower income housing situation is a very neccessary thing to do.

What america will come to terms with in the next three days is that plan is a rescue of the american homeowner while the 850 billion bailout was a rescue of wall street and by extension of the credit freeze and the american small business man who survives on credit.

DO i Like the Bailout? HELL NO Not the one for wall street but i understand how they are or have been persuaded that its neccessary to unfreeze the credit market. Now they need to brop interest rates a big amount too.

Do i like a rescue for struggling americans? A hell of a lot more than i like a rescue for Struggling wall street investors!

As more and more americans facing financial hardship look at this proposal he just laid out they are going to find the idea really appealing

Tell me, if you have a mortgage for 150K and your
house has dropped in value to 100K from 200K tell me the idea of the government helping you with a 50K check paying off a portion of your mortgage doesnt make you happy?

I am sure that they will if they enact such a prgram incorporate terms in it that if the value increases at time of sale that the government gets a percentage of the profits back to maximize the effectiveness and minimize the costs of the program.

But Remember, everybody thinks bad mortgages dont make money.

Only foreclosed mortgages dont make money.

Take a look at your mortgage and figure out how much you actually pay on that thing in terms of interest and principle over the course of 5 or 10 years. You pay a lot of interest. not a lot of principle. There is good potential that this rescue can if adminstered properly be a win win for both the housing sector and the econmoy and the gtoverment.

It beats the hell out of hopenchange.

PhxNickD

no. its a plan for people who are about to lose their homes not for investors.

do you know how many investors are out there holding bad mortgages in their get quick rich scheming? They are the main culprits who did this. Take Phoenix – housing was never expensive here until Las Vegas dried out for investors. They moved down here and started paying top dollar for everything. The market followed, greedy homeowners jumped on board and started doing the same thing. Every single new complex that was built here had 30% sold before the ground was broken. Those investors hold a lot of bad mortgages and foreclosures.

Buying down people’s mortgages is not fair to everyone else who was responsible with their finances. Why should some greedy person get $50,000+ from the government when they were wrong, and we get screwed paying for it? If McCain insists on doing this there better be some clause to keep honest America happy, because I am not buying into it. No way, no how…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

I worked for one of the COmpanies that provided the rubber stamp due dilligence on this whole sub prime mortgage mess from 1996 until just a short time ago.

Trust me i know all about whats actually going on and how its affecting everyone.

The company i worked for was instrumental in creating this mess and enabling lehman bear stearns indymac freddie fannie et al to do this.

An no i wasn’t a secretary.

Trust me i know a lot more than you think.

Its not about fair anymore.

Its about resueing the longterm economy.

Your just going to have to let that whole idea of fairness slip a little.

And i am pretty sure there will be plenty of homeowners who dont have 20 investment propreties who are desperate for this type of rescue.

PhxNickD

And i am pretty sure there will be plenty of homeowners who dont have 20 investment propreties who are desperate for this type of rescue.

I don’t have a problem with the honest homeowner who is having problems because of the economy – it is all the other greedy SOBs that will be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars for their scheming.

Whatsinit4me?

I have to agree a bit on this. I do want McCain to win the election, obviously, but look. I am 35. I have been renting since I was 18, some of that time married but most of it single. I KNEW I could not afford a home on my own, even with my 860 credit score. My income was low. I was 32 before I hit 20K annually, and even with student loans and car loans and medical debt and stupid credit card debt (paid off — check, check, check and errrr semi-check), I’ve never defaulted on a single debt in my life or even so much as missed a payment or made one late. I wasn’t about to start digging a hole with a mortgage when my checkbook said I could only afford an efficiency apartment. I might’ve been poor, but I wasn’t stupid.

I’ve been responsible to a fault. Where’s MY help? I’m finally nearly ready to buy a house, and frankly all these suckers who are now trying to sell way below what they paid are just the sort of folks who got in over their heads. Their peril is my dream come true. That sounds bitchy and jerky but put yourself in MY shoes. I’m 35. I want things. I’ve earned them, I’ve saved for them. Why is everybody getting help except those who’ve been responsible? How much of my tax money is gonna bail out the “haves” when I’m a “have-not?” It’s not fair. Man, if I’d only known, I could’ve been living in a house I couldn’t afford all this time!

I’m gonna get so slammed, I’m sure. But this is the truth. I’m frustrated. I know part of the bailout is supposed to free up credit so I can GET a loan to finally buy a house, but geez this is all so effed up.

PhxNickD

Hence the solution – take the people who have been fiscally responsible and honest and help them buy up the foreclosures. I bet if the government gave someone like this guy (or gal) a 0% interest rate loan on an honestly appraised mortgage he (or she) would make every payment. Now that is a creative solution, the honest person getting a good deal from the government to help save the country.

Bellevue_NW_Voter The Renter

I said something like this a week or so ago here. That is what I’d like to see. I’d like to see the govt find a way to help me into the market, as someone willing and able to pay *REASONABLE* prices.

Yes, give never-owned-a-home (not just the current fake “never” of “not in the past 3 years”) folks first right of refusal on foreclosed property auctions — sold at affordable prices. Here in King County, WA, a few foreclosures hit “affordable”, but the bubble was in full swing here for a very long time, and housing is still WAY overpriced, at about $400,000 average.

Newly Independent

I’m gonna get so slammed, I’m sure. But this is the truth. I’m frustrated. I know part of the bailout is supposed to free up credit so I can GET a loan to finally buy a house, but geez this is all so effed up.

You won’t get slammed here. Most of us are definitely feeling the same frustration & pain that you’re feeling about this damned bailout. I too was disappointed to see McCain back the bill after having stood against the bailout twice.

At least we know that McCain can be counted on to not raise taxes (beyond the bailout, of course) when he gets to the White House, unlike Obama.

And just like PhxNickD stated above:

Hence the solution – take the people who have been fiscally responsible and honest and help them buy up the foreclosures. I bet if the government gave someone like this guy (or gal) a 0% interest rate loan on an honestly appraised mortgage he (or she) would make every payment. Now that is a creative solution, the honest person getting a good deal from the government to help save the country.
Brendy

I HATE helping out greedy people or people who KNEW they couldn’t afford a house but since they were a ‘miniority’, they had ‘special privileges’ over other hard-working, struggling Americans. I guess this looks good for those who really are losing their homes and maybe it WILL help the economy, but maybe also McCain thinks this will sway THOSE people who are losing their homes to vote for him. And, then of course there’s Obama – wanting to REDISTRIBUTE the wealth, take from the middle working class and give to the welfare/medicaid/WIC bums.

Funny thing is – if the housing crisis is mainly affecting minorities, then they’re probably voting for Obama anyway and McCain’s proposal to ‘help them out’ with our tax dollars will just be p#ssing off middle class voters who were voting for him BEFORE he came up with this idea.

I CAN’T STAND ANY POLITICIAN! I just want this NIGHTMARE over!
Bellevue_NW_Voter The Renter

I am with you, Whatsinit4me. I obviously felt strongly enough about it to tack “The Renter” on to my original name here.

Except, I’m even worse off: I’m 45!

I can only see that this is yet another way I will lose. It’s bad enough that I am single, no kids or other dependents, have an income just right around the social security cutoff, don’t have a mortgage or other big deductions that would allow me to itemize so that I’d be able to deduct things like my annual donations, don’t have enough of a portfolio to book some capital losses this year to offset some gains. I pay more taxes per dollar I earn than, I’m guessing, at least 98% of the country.

bemused

I live in Phoenix too. Both of you have a point. The lower end houses (like my neighborhood) I think should be addressed because — people are poorer and need more cheap housing. But I know there were “flippers” even here. And, even the “flippers” are hurt now (some of them pretty bad). Not that I’m sympathetic with them in the least, but we are not islands, etc. and when some fall, all sag. So I think all renegotiations also should come with reappraisals and restrictions. For instance, if you bought a rental house for twice its previous price, too bad. You get money based on a more realistic value of what should have been paid.

AnninCA

It’s an idea first proposed by Hillary. It’s a renegotiation, ridding the predatory clauses that are causing so many foreclosures and renegotiating the price to reflect the actual market. It stops the flood of foreclosures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

yep, with all the Hillary positions Barack has stolen to pump up his policy credentials…i am shocked he didnt get on this one…but then i remembered Barack Huckster Obama is the Me Too candidate…he will come out with his Me Too plan as soon as the polls indicate americans liked the idea.
Brendy

I noticed Obummer also stole Hillary’s health care plan – where citizens can get the same kind of federal insurance he (Obummer) and the other senators receive – a pool that can be drawn from. I remember Hillary talking about it in one of their debates – the THIEF (Obummer)!

don tufts

nick i live here in phx like you and i make my living from housing.the slide in home value has to stop for there to be customer confidance to start bying homes again,if this does not turn around soon frankly i dont know how i am going to pay my suppliers and pay my personal bills and i support myself ,my wife and three small children.this idea of macs is huge and the us gov if properly done will come out smelling like a rose.

PhxNickD

I feel your pain, but why the hell were people like me so damn responsible then?

F*ck I could have been living in a $500,000 condo at Crystal Point paying a $100,000 mortgage, stupid me. I guess I should go out tomorrow and buy a new car with the rest of my home equity loan. Then in 2 months I won’t have to worry about payments anymore because the government will step in re-finance my place and pay everything down for me.

KathyNeocon

ITA. Wish I had got in on the action so I could have the government pay off my debt that I couldn’t afford to begin with. Why was I so darn responsible paying cash? When will I ever learn?

Sarracuda In So Cal

I was just so surprised that McCain did not bring up Ayers, when Obama was talking about 9/11 I was like come on, perfect opportunity for McCain to say, “Funny how your bringing up 9/11, one of the most tragic days in American history, your good buddy Bill Ayers said on that very day that he wishes he had done more.” I mean that would have been PERFECT, there is a reason why he never mentioned it, even when Obama talked about “judgment” another perfect opportunity to bring up Reverend Wright. They interviewed Sarah today and she said “Ive been an underdog many times in my life and always came out a winner.” So I really think that they must have something big on Obama, they had every chance to mention Ayers or Wright or Rezco and did not, the Republican party is not stupid, look at it this way, Bush was HATED in 2004 and what happened, Bush won, the same Bush everyone hated so much won easily against the Democratic ticket so never count out a republican

AnninCA

Obama was cheesy enough. McCain was actually more focused to me. Ayers is a side issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

Presidential Town Hall Debates are not 90 minute versions of I Love New York 2 reunions.

Bringing up Ayers in that venue unasked would have been the biggest mistake McCain could have made.

Northwest rain

Right — it is Sarah’s job to go after Barky. She’s doing the heavy lifting on the Ayers connection. This isn’t McCain’s job — he has to focus on the big picture and the FUTURE!

Paul3triple

Mccain did fine. He would have been called a mean grumpy old man if he pounded obama.
The media set up the nuclear narrative and the blogs fell for it.
Mccain does not have to belittle obama. He has to prove HIS bona-fides on the economy.
The rescue plan on mortages is brilliant. Every time a house forecloses it causes a ripple effect on the entire community and the banks.
Our economy is sailing downstream because of these houses. He is readjusting the mortage so it is not a sub-prime that its rate shoots way up.
The plan is genius and announcing it on TV makes sure there is no me to. Also, taxpayers losing their homes and struggling to pay for mortages want a plan for them. The big beef with the bail out was that it was not for mainstreet. Mccains Mortage plan is gold.
Conservatives are already whining about it. It is the way we fix this bottemless housing market.
Mccain stated correctly that we cannot create new jobs and keep banks afloat without fixing it.
The election is not tomorrow. If it was i would say well he should have went crazy. He set the narrative that he will use for next month. Palin is a pitbull with lipstick and will be the attack dog.
Mccain will set an agenda.
As said before Bush always was declared the loser, he won. Twice.

McTampa Baracuda

I agree with you on the mortgage plan. It would be better to change the loan and make it more affordable than to have a foreclosure. Empty houses create more of a problem. Hopefully there would be a limit based on income.
dpvegas

You are absolutely correct, and I’m grateful to those who know so much more than I do.

My husband, and McCain, confused me, but his mortgage plan is sounding brilliant to me more and more. The Dems keep whining on and on about the “poor homeowners,” but what have they done for them? He has something concrete, and it’s not conservative.

Brilliant!
frenchman47

Of course the idea is brilliant – Hillary Clinton came up with it; Mac’s just following her lead.

PUMA

dpvegas

Better Mac than Barky. I trust Mac to actually DO it. Barky would say it, and never do it.

Bellevue_NW_Voter The Renter

Hey, wait! I don’t WANT to fix the bottomless housing market in my area of the country until home values are somewhere near affordable for people making around the median wage.

Around here, median wage is about $100,000.

Median home price is about $400,000.

We’re not there yet. More correction is still needed so that people like me who did not sign sucker loans they’re now being saved from, can get into the market responsibly.

RedDragon62

I have had some reservations about those “Whitey Tapes”. I personally do not believe they exist but then again, I never thought Obama with his flimsy narrow ass record would get this far
http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

MEchille has said that “Barack will make you work.” (Gulag) “You’re going to have to give up some of your pie.”(wealth re-distribution). You will be made to “volunteer” regardless of age, gender, etc., no one is exempt. Can’t wait until the Pebble Beach residents hear that one. You’ll hear laughing all the way to Salinas. Does she know that the USA is bigger than Chi Town and that the President is not Monarch and she is not royalty???…no matter how much they try to convince themselves. That part sounds like she’s been reading Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book…oh, wait that’s what all the lefties in the 60′s read. Must have borrowed Ayer’s copy.

It’s gone from “Who the hell is he?” to “Who the hell does he think he is?”

mimi

I’d like to know how much volunteering does Michelle 0bama do?

They want to make people volunteer and they haven’t done so in the past nor give money to charity.

Oh brother!

Can’t believe people are falling for this crap.
mimi

I’d like to know how much volunteering does Michelle 0bama do?

They want to make people volunteer and they haven’t done so in the past nor given money to charity.

Oh brother!

Can’t believe people are falling for this crap.

julie

Could Brokaw had wanted easy answers that we had all heard before? He knew that if a debate was easy for Obama, Obama would not lose the poll numbers.

If they were controversial, Obama would have done badly. At first I couldn’t figure out why the questions were so dumb… and the liberal was keeping Obama nice and easy.
http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

I agree with you, Julie.
AnninCA

From reading, nobody liked the format or thought the debate was very interesting. Rehash.

Oh well…..
http://reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

I commented earlier how I thought Obama “Knew” these questions before hand.

Sure he did…it is the same shit he has been spewing since day one. Only difference is that he incorporated the ideas of Hillary and Edwards after trashing them..How come no one seems to call him out on that?

That is my biggest peeve when I watch that Turd debating. Not one of these ideas came from that hollow head of his!

Brendy

Well, tomorrow Obummer will ‘steal’ McCain’s idea that McCain got from Hillary. And in the end, The lying, thieving #@#$###@@ will get ALL THE CREDIT – you just watch. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

becky

Obama looked stoned to me. Just saying
SensibleWomanNOTforBO

I have a question. I was just listening to the debate again and I heard Senator McCain talk about a something he and other Senators had signed warning about Fannie/Freddie that BO did not sign. I have heard about that before.

Just before that I also heard BO say he had written letters to Treasury Secretary Paulsen and Fed Reserve Chairman Bernanke about the mortgage debacle.

To be clear, Senator McCain spoke up about the letter he had signed AFTER BO mentioned the letter he sent to Paulsen and Bernanke.

I wasn’t aware of BO sending any letters to anybody. Does anybody have any more info/detail on that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

there are no letters.
Its fabricated policy credentials.
Barack gets away with saying it because he knows the in the tank media will not call him on it.

McCain co sponsored a bill to provide stricter oversite of fannie freddie and warned of the crisis in 2005

Bush asked for oversight and wanred of the crisis in 2003 and 2007

Greenspan wanrned of the crisis in 1997 when the subprime shit was going into overdrive.

Barack Hussein Oblahblah gave a speech to a left wing liberal anti war group in a gymnasium in hyde park opposing a war…a speech nobody has on tape.

McTampa Baracuda

I think a reporter needs to ask Paulsen and Bernanke if Obuthead really sent them a letter.

Brendy

McCain said there was a letter, and I’m quoting – ‘but guess what – his name was not on it’ (pointing to him or either saying his name, I can’t remember). It was something like that.

http://reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

I believed then and I do so more now, that this format was centered around Obama’s strengths. McCain knew he could not attack Obama directly on some issue, but he did okay. What I meant by Obama “Knowing” the questions beore hand…Just watch how he jumps to answer the questions before the Tommy is finished posing them.

Another thing….

Brokow allowed Obama to ramble on and on..What up with that?

dee4sarah

I noticed Brokow allowing “The One” to rattle on and on. I thought it was rude of both Brokow and Barky. Of course, there are no rules for “Precious.”

If we’re going through the worst economic crisis since the Depression, how IS he going to pay for health care? He’s so full of sh*t.

Mac/Palin ’08

PhxNickD

hey I know this guy — dee4hill, glad to see you. you can change your name but you can’t hide. any chance you are gonna get to see Sarah speak at a rally? would be great to see you standing behind her with your gloves. Bet Hillary would be pissed though. Her loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

once barkies lips start flapping its hard to shut him up. thts just the way he is…he overwhelms you with a blizzard of turds…i mean words.
Brendy

If he stopped Obummer, it would seem ‘racist’ – I mean, what other reason COULD it be? LOL!

Besides, I think Brokaw is in the tank for Obummer. I don’t like how Brokaw got to chose the questions; of course I know there had to be some order, but still…

Some of the questions were out-and-out dumb, I thought…doesn’t look too intelligent on Brokaw’s part.

bayareavoter

It was boring.

I wanted to see the McCain I saw in the Albuquerque video from yesterday–he seemed rested and rejuvinated and so fired up and determined to win. Maybe they told him to be low key tonight because BO accuses him of being erratic. But yesterday reminded me of the last few minutes of his convention acceptance speech which was so moving AND memorable.

Both guys did fine; and that was the problem for me. But how many NEW people watched the debate? All of us political junkies have seen the questions and answers before but did new people see them for the first time?

If Brokaw got thousands of questions I am surprised he didn’t choose some others–not in the gotcha style but just more interesting.
Mannie

Sorry — OFF TOPIC

Just wondered if this mattered……..

***LETTER FROM DIDDY***

Dear Family,

We are in a STATE OF EMERGENCY!!! – we are only 31 days from the MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME. We are still at war, banks are closing, and people are losing their jobs and houses every day. It is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to protect our futures. Time is about to run out, and there is still a lot of work to be done. Barack Obama cannot win this election on his own; He needs our help. This election is about US. This election is about our children’s futures. We owe it to those who fought and died for our right to vote and our right to be heard.

Barack Obama said it best, “Eight is Enough.” No longer will we stand by and follow leadership with no regard for us, and no accountability to us.

We can be the deciding factor in this election. Who are we? We are young America. We are Hip-Hop. We are the culture that has defied statistics and the critics. THIS IS OUT MOMENT OF TRUTH!!!!

We are the leaders of this generation. When we speak, people listen. But the time is NOW for us to use the voices that God blessed us with. We are the ones with the mics, we are the ones on television, we are the ones in the end zone, we are the ones on the court, we are the ones on the radio, and we are the ones in the hearts and minds of young Americans of all colors. WE ARE CHANGE!

Now is the time to do our part to make change a reality and help elect Obama as President. Whether you can speak about it in your radio and television interviews or on stage at your concerts, put it on your website and blogs and push your fans toward it, whether you are head of a street team, or a VJ or DJ. Use your power. If you know 10-20 people, we need to register them to vote and bring them to the polls.

Even if you e-mail every person on your blackberry – do something – DO ALL YOU CAN DO!!!. Make sure that when November 4th comes, we are able to say that we did EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER to make sure that Barack Obama becomes president. We owe this to our children, our parents, our grandparents, and our loved ones. We need you to become a part of Team Obama!!!!!

We are working directly with the campaign and have come up with different ways for you to get involved in this election. We don’t need a lot from you, we just need some simple things. Some of you have agreed to do concerts, some of you have agreed to speak in swing states. We all need to continue to DO MORE – video drops, radio interviews, and possibly more appearances as we count down the days to change. This is the most important election in our lifetime. Please use the platform you’ve been blessed with to urge those who listen to you to make Barack Obama the next President of the United States. Don’t forget your personal duty as a citizen. Register to vote, and VOTE TO MAKE HISTORY!!!!!!!

BECOME A PART OF TEAM OBAMA!!!

God Bless,

Sean “Diddy” Combs

Shawn “Jay-Z” Carter

Mary J. Blige

Kevin Liles

http://www.kimkardashian.com/2008/10/now-is-the-time.php

Mannie

I guess besides wanting you to see the content…I wonder if this will inspire more McCain supporters to do their part. One thing O’s campaign has is enthusiasm…do we have this?

I read mostly the negative stuff on O, and I know it’s too late to start a youth revolution vote, but maybe we can consider this in our efforts. Any recommended sites?
HARP

When did he learn to write?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

wow erm…i don’t even buy any of their shitty music…why would i listen to their advice on the election?

Mannie

I just wondered if the racial “tinge” (borrowing from AP) mattered. I mean I’m just a whitey who loves my friends of any color but don’t get the rap world…

It just seems to me there is reference to MLK days rather than soldiers dying now (so wrong in many ways to compare) and while we’re called racist at every turn when we question O, why is it OK to unite the Black community in this way. I don’t mean any disrespect but I feel there is more between these lines. Or am I just up too late?

Mannie

correction: I am not exposed to the rap world per se.

http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

Advise from a hip hop rapper? Only if I’d had a lobotomy first.

Brendy

Well, I hope the young country music singers and ‘hard rock’ musicians of the day have something to say about ‘hip – hop’!

http://reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

That was being discussed on many threads after the debate Bayareavoter.

Why, if you are flooded with e-mail questions, do you chose the same tired ones?
Sarracuda In So Cal

Where is Larry Johnson and that supposed Whitey tape, did that turn out to be a bunch of nonsense or what, I wish I had some inside info from republicans as to what they might have on Obama, I think they do have something and are patiently waiting to release it
Docelder

Adlai Stevenson 1956 and the “new America”. Obama now from the “New Party”. Same story… it didn’t work then… and I don’t think it will work now. The young vote didn’t pull Adlai through… and they won’t vote Obama… not if there’s something else to do that day… and there will be.

Brendy

This presidential election is different. Most ALL Blacks are backing Obummer and today’s silly White youth are too preocupied with immitating blacks and their rap/hip hop music – they think it’s cool. And today’s youth – of all colors/backgrounds, imo, don’t care too much about honor – it’s a ‘me first’ and ‘I want it NOW’ society we live in. Sadly, this applies to way too many ‘adults’, too.

DJ

Why so gloomy?… MSM screaming BO won the debate, that’s why. I’m really hoping these debates will matter as much as they did for Bush, but we won’t know unitl Nov 4.

OT: Mark Halperin says McCain/Palin are back campaigning together again tomorrow in Bethlehem, PA; Strongsville, OH; Milwaukee, WI….. This is where the war will be won.

Newly Independent

MSM screaming BO won the debate, that’s why.

The MSM will ALWAYS say Obama won anything. Obama is the MSM’s wet dream. They’re in the tank for Obama. And they’re not hiding it.

The MSM lost their credibility & most American voters a LOOONG time ago.

D Grace

The questions did not give McCain the opportunity he needed to attack on his associations and he could not go negative because he did not want to be seen as angry. but I think he accomplished a few things . He need to let the public know they cannot trust obama He will raise taxes.

McTampa Baracuda

CNN was making fun of McCain for calling Obama (this one). Remember when McCain said something like ” and this ones name was nowhere on it”?

Paul3triple

Socal, if mccain would have brought up Bill Ayers because obama mentioned 9/11 it would have sunk Mccain.
He would have looked desperate. That was the trap set by the media. They wanted mac to follow their advice and throw bombs like Bill Ayers.
Someone said above that mccain answered the questions asked. Yes he did and i agree that if mccain would have began assasinating obama’s character when the question is how can you fix the economy would have insulted voters.

Mccain had an awesome line on taxes. “nailing down senator obama’s tax proposal is like trying to nail jell-o to the wall.” “the last time a president raised taxes in an economic crisis like this was Herbert Hoover.”

Also, the fact this debate was boring works for mccain. After the first 45 minutes alot of folks may have turned it off. Mccain hammered obama for the first half hour very effectively on the economy.

SensibleWomanNOTforBO

Good points, especially about the media and BO setting up the Ayers subject. We were all rather surprised at a couple of them bringing it up, weren’t we? Mac didn’t take the bait. Very.Carefully.Watching.His.Opponents Moves. His attention is fully on them.

I agree with you that some if not all would’ve probably been insulted had he headed there. We have to keep in mind that probably a lot of the undecideds are like innocent kids in a custody battle with the potential to go really, really nasty who haven’t yet been fully exposed to the info many of us know.

Have to watch the emotions so as not to alienate them. SO many of us make SO many of our decisions based on our emotions most of the time.

The roller coaster we’re on in the last week or so is one helluva an emotional one that’s being played on BIG TIME.

SlowBurn

McCain is going to hand obama his a$$ in November. . . count on it!

everyone should boycott the MSM and all their advertisers!

Mc/Palin 2008!

obama and the msm are collaborators in an anti-American coup!

Docelder

Watch the MSM… as this starts to turn the MSM…~~excluding MSNBO~~ (they aren’t MSM anmore)oops. The MSM are going to turn on Obama. They got their bus drivers license the same place “The One” got his. The bus is about to run over a Greek temple on the way to lala land.

Maria3

Obama said “my first term…” he is already working on being re-elected. God help us.

I have a bracelet 2

i made the same comment to my friend

SJ

Japan markets are taking a dive, I keep saying the markets are reacting to a Obama Presidency, I would bet anything if McCain was leading in the polls the markets would be doing 100% better

Newly Independent

I agree.

Very strange the markets dropping & the MSM focusing on them – considering that Congress passed the $800+ billion-dollar bailout bill just a week ago.

Could it be because the truth about Obama’s troubling agenda & friendships with dangerours anti-Americans like Bill Ayers are surfacing to the mainstream?

DJ

OT: Why is Michelle Obama making so many solo campaign appearances? She has just as many or even more than BO, McCain, Biden, Palin tomorrow. You’d think she was running for office. And where the heck is Mitt Romney? That guy should be stumping in MI, OH, PA, FL for McCain.

Docelder

I wonder if she thinks that after two terms for “The One”… maybe she thinks she can be Hillary and run herself? I wonder.

http://www.anvp.typepad.com soldier4hillary

I am signing off but before I go, I want to make a comment in regards to the trolls tonight. A post that I submitted in to NQR is on my blog. Caused all kinds of turmoil as the bots from Huffington post descended onto my blog like vultures. They did there normal “hate speech” your a sell out yada yada ya…but then someone deemed it necessary to state they had information on those close to me that would be posted online. I got something for those idiots tomorrow when I get back from radiation therapy. But that is the worst thing they could of ever said or done.

Indy

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Screw em. They are desperate. I always deduct 6 points from Barky’s numbers…just like his advisors do. They know they aren’t as far ahead as the polls say.
KathyNeocon

To hell with those nut cases. We’re right behind you soldier–keep fighting!! You’re an inspiration to us.
Mannie

when I get back from radiation therapy. But that is the worst thing they could of ever said or done.

I’m so sorry, on both accounts. Is this happening a lot…I mean are people who digg articles here and such getting threats?
http://www.hillaryorbust.com Hillary or Bust

Patsy, you need to read your comments more carefully. I posted two comments IN RESPONSE to your crazy obots, and you did not notice that I was responding to them instead of you. So now you have two comments of mine posted up with my name and URL associating me with the Obots. I’d appreciate it if you could rectify that situation. I have promoted you on my blog and was trying to stick up for you. I thought I made it clear in my comments who or what I was responding to. Thank you.

http://reddragon62.blogspot.com/ RedDragon62

Soldier:

If you ever need an ex-Bouncer and a 4th degree black beltl to stand next to you…Just shout hun!

Good night sister
In Other News

Barack Hussein Obama, NO MATTER WHAT?.

Watching the debate tonight I have to admit to a revulsion and apprehension right down to the depths of my soul when I see and hear Obama.

I listen to the empty rhetoric coming from a man whom I consider the most dangerous, fraudulent and corrupt politician in America today. A line that has entered my mind, not relative to Putin but Obama: It will stick in my mind forever, and that is

WHEN I LOOK INTO OBAMA’S EYES I SEE THREE LETTERS..
K…B…G…KBG.

Perhaps the letters are different but the attempts to stifle dissension, intimidate voters, censor public airways and opinion and discriminate against those who offer information not favorable to Obama

CENSORHIP, DISCRIMINATION, INTIMIDATION, BRIBERY and THREATS ARE THE CORE OF THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN. (AND AOL FOR THE MATTER)

The mainstream media have chosen to HIDE stories of:

his radical white-hating religious background;

his total lack of experience and qualifications

charges of money laundering, financial irregularity

lack of American citizenship;

his corrupt, radical and felonious friends

his allegiance to the muslim world

his ultra-liberal voting record:

his use of voter intimidation and association with groups convicted of voter fraud

his association with terrorist groups throughout the world and Palestinian connections;

the censorship and intimidation of those exercising their first amendment right to oppose him:

his acceptance of illegal foreign contributions from terrorist groups;

his lack of respect for the women of this country

his status as a pawn of the most corrupt Political Machine in the country.

Yes,there is information out there that speaks these claims, in spite of the media and the campaigns efforts to hide it. Do we DARE TAKE A CHANCE?

Yes, I am a Democrat and sadly will be voting for a Republican for President for the first time in
50 years.

BE VERY AFRAID AMERICA

Are we doing our country a favor by voting Party- NO MATTER WHAT

KathyNeocon

Barack Hussein and his insane worshippers and the MSM licking his shoes make me think of the KGB too, along with the Gestapo and the Stasi. Very crazy and very scary.

If that PHONY LIAR gets elected by dead and homeless people, mannequins and whoever else the Obamabots drag to the polling booths on election day, I WILL LAUGH in their faces with scorn and disdain and remind them what this is what they asked for when they start feeling the pains of socialism,their precious liberties start disappearing, and they’re whining about their First Amendment rights going up in smoke.

kinthenorthwest

Understanding where the Man we elect for president came from is not old hat. The people that a person hangs out with for a couple of decades says a lot about who he is. This is especially ture when it is associates from the recent pass and their adult pass. If one is truly interested in thier community they should be Very interested in WHO is directing the monies that your community is getting, Especially monies that you are directing towards your community through state funds.

Obama keeps saying that he moved to Chicago to help with the Chicago communities. Yet we have not really heard about any of the long term good effects. Is that because all of his work for Illinois and Chicago seem to have been attached to people such as Ayers, Wright, Pfleger and many others with mottos not condusive to Everyone.
bayareavoter

okay–Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright–I feel good enough after reading your take on this that I can go to bed now!

Goodnight, all! You keep me optimistic!
Paul3triple

also, the media is not totally shredding McCain.
GO to johnmccain.com and read the quotes.
He got applauded by alot of poeple for the mortage package. He was seen as more comfortable.
The only reason folks think it was not so good is because the media set the nuclear narrative that mac had to attack and change the game.
Palin stopped the bleeding. Tonight Mccain assured ALL of america, corporate and middle class and small business that he understands the woes of the economy and has a good plan.
His line on taxes about Hoover being the last to raise taxes was gold. Also, FDR raised taxes as well and though he started a recovery process our stock market never bounced back until the fifties.
It went over alot better than poeple think.
CBS interviewed 12 college students and they split. If the youngsters split that says alot of folks think mccain won.
Obama is peaking to early. He has nowhere to go but down and mccain has to show he is a viable option and competent while Palin destroys him at her huge rallys of tens of thousands.
All of the armchair quarterback strategists are missing the point. Which is no wonder, they have not run campaigns and dems have not won a Presidential campaign for 12 years.
Mccain is to look statesmen like and set an agenda with optimism and hope and belief in america.
Mccain had an amazing close that was touching, so touching it brought tears to my wifes eyes.
He spoke optimistically of america and its greatness all night. He did his job.

SensibleWomanNOTforBO

Yes, and he said something about walking and talking softly but to carry a big stick.
frenchman47

Agree with all you’ve said; and yes, McCain’s closing brought tears to my eyes as well. He spoke so clearly on love of country and America’s greatness – the language was Reaganesque and while I despised Reagan’s policies, he knew how to speak to people’s hearts. McCain has that same ability – too bad it doesn’t come out more often.

I disagree with McCain on a lot of issues but I’ve never doubted his courage, sincerity and character – three highly admirable qualities that Obama is lacking in a Major way.

As with the closing lines of his convention speech, McCain was calling on Americans to ‘stand up and fight’ for what’s good about our country.

McCain’s closing lines is what voters will take away from this debate; Obama’s closing came across as shrewd and empty like the man himself.

Political ‘pundits’ Always underestimate the importance of character to American voters. McCain comes across as someone who is sincere; Obama comes across as a cocky professor.

And, the polls are heavily weighted with Democrats; they don’t take into account the large number of Republicans who ‘switched’ for the primaries and who whill ‘switch’ right back on Nov. 4th. The MSM is So in the tank for Obama that I think you have to take all of the polls with a grain of salt this year. And remember, in the primaries late deciders broke heavily for Clinton; they’ll do the same for McCain.

BTW in a different post someone asked rather sarcastically if my handle meant I was French in which case I should use the handle ‘freedom fries.’ I’m not French and I was born and raised in Wisconsin.

DJ

To help me choose for Nov 4…. Scenario — if you were stuck in a foxhole during a horrific war and your life was at stake, who would I want with me? McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden? ….. The choice should be obvious.

PhxNickD

i would want obama with me so I could sacrafice him to save myself

Urban Hillbilly

LOL!
Postmaster

ha ha ha , good one PHX

DDH

My family (all life long Democrats) will be voting for MCCain…We fought hard for Hillary but have always liked MCCain. As with most there are so many other things more important happening in our lives right now… And so I only watched bits and parts of the debate…I just cannot stomach Obama…MCCain did a great job and his final comment brought tears to my eyes. The pundits are doing what they have been doing since the beginning of this election starting with the primaries.It’s useless trying to figure out why and even more useless buying into the polls, I hardly believe they are accurate. No one has ever called me…I am glad that it will soon be over…Just think it’s less than one month away.
Paul3triple

it is a dumb charge by CNN. Mccain was speaking of the energy bill in 05.
He said guess which senator voted for it? that one.

They are grasping straws and really that shows how well mac did.
DJ

I think Mac should pull out of the last debate. Like BO told Hillary no more debates after he got a hard question from Charlie Gibson. Mac and Palin should run town hall meetings across the battleground states to get his message across nonstop. MSM isn’t going to help.
kinthenorthwest

I did notice that about the middle of the debate Obama started getting more and more uhs and ummms
and it got worse and worse as the debate when on.
I also noticed that Obama was going to talk about what he wanted to whether or not the moderator wanted him to.

Bellevue_NW_Voter The Renter

The campaign office at which I watched the debate enjoyed one particular stream of uhh, ummm’ing quite a bit.
Brendy

Yep, Obummer talked about what HE wanted to talk about and I noticed he didn’t answer quite a few of the questions he was asked – he was too busy trying to defend himself or throwing attacks at McCain and/or Bush, and therefore got off the hook answering the questions. I kept waiting for a-hole Brokaw to tell him “o.k., but now will you please answer the question?”

It is SO obvious how many passes he gets, but his serfs come away awe-struck. I just don’t see how normal, intelligent people can’t see thru him or see how biased the media is.

old91A10

Money.

Many, many factors not molested in all of the below. Eg., I would prefer single payer, etc. (see HRC). Obama isn’t even close to that, and has built in an extra year of study on top of the rest of the inertia.

Am I missing something — simplistic & no actual data injured?

Taxes:
Take all families by adjusted taxable income [ATI] (IRS rules and shenanigans).
Graph X axis == families ordered by ATI.
Graph Y axis == the ATI.
Draw the curve.
You can imagine this sort of like X^2 stretched out, and rising sharply with the fat cats, or the right half of a suspension bridge cable (close enough for a thought exercise).

Now, draw a vertical line through the ATI of the first family found on the X axis which pays taxes.
All of the people to the left are not taxed. All of the people to the right are taxed.

McCain’s plan would increase the exemptions which lowers family ATIs. Essentially, we have to go further right on the X axis to find the first taxable family. This absolutely benefits more families with lower incomes who not only need it the most, but will spend it on goods and services.

Obama’s plan would freeze the original ATI line, and smear a small tax deduction across the taxable families whether rich or not so rich. But, this only applies to families to the right of the original ATI — and, everyone gets a smidgen.

Healthcare:
Using $8,000 health insurance and 25% tax rate.
(a) If you pay your entire health insurance by yourself (no help from employer), you win. Formerly, you would have this money by virtue of earning but only retaining 75% of $10,667. McCain’s plan would save you $1,250 (25% of $5,000).

(b) If both you and your employer pay equal parts of your health insurance, it’s a wash. Say you and your employer contribute $4,000 each. Formerly, your contribution is the net from earning but only retaining 75% of $5,333, and your boss may or may not have had levies applied to his share. McCain’s plan would save you $1,000 (25% of $4,000), but tax you $1,000 (25% of $4,000) on your employer’s contribution.

(c) As in (b), but you can negotiate with your employer, and shift some of his contribution to your salary. Now, you are contributing $5,000 to the health insurance, he is contributing $3,000 to the health insurance, and you are receiving an additional $1,000 salary.

Now, you avoid $1,666 in taxes when you contribute $5,000 (i.e., you did not have to earn $6,666 to cover this share). However, you do pay $750 taxes on your employer’s contribution (25% of $3,000) and $250 taxes on your salary increase (25% of $1,000). The net savings is $415 ($1,666 – $750 -$250).
PhxNickD

how come no trolls are here tonight? this is nice

KathyNeocon

Not so fast. They’re in the “This Exchange is a Riot” thread.
PhxNickD

Guess I spoke to soon. damn it was nice for awhile

Bob

Now I am really Pissed Straight party Republican ticket Somebody is going to pay if Obama is going to be elected If it is the down ticket Democrats so be it
DJ

did notice that about the middle of the debate Obama started getting more and more uhs and ummms
and it got worse and worse as the debate when on.

Think it’s because the topic shifted to foreign policy and when he got the question first.
IndieDogg

Mac needed to hit the economy. OBie’s been getting surge because people think (totally without any basis, but they’ve done it anyway) he’s “better” for the economy. Mac needed to address it and he did. Commentator I heard even said he thought Mac was better on the economy than later (not sure that’s true but he was excellent on the economy and he’s always knows his stuff on Foreign Policy).

On Ayers, just leave it alone (and to Palin and others). It has gotten some traction and every day, the stain is spreading farther across the floor of BHO’s mansion in the sky.

For CNN, a/k/a the Obama Channel, to be running stories about the Ayers connection being “deeper and more political” than Barack Obama has claimed, we’re on to something.

And, I’m still digging, as are other members of The Million Shovel Movement (a much better back-up for the MSM initials, I think).

There also is more than Ayers here.

Look to BHO’s benefactor, the man who raised money and pulled in favors to get him into Harvard Law, our friend al-Mansour. Aside from the PLO connections, going farther back, as-Mansour was an advisor to Bobby Seale and Huey Newton, founders of the Black Panther Party in Oakland in 1966. This is a direct benefactor of Barack Obama, definitely not a “guy from the neighborhood” and he’s on tape preaching that God has ordered black people to kill white people. This is a different branch of the radical (Black Nationalist) tree, that runs on a parallel time line to the SDS/Weathermen formation and activism of the 60′s.

BTW, U of Michigan, back then, where Ayers went to school and where the SDS was formed (and later split into the Weathermen) was known as The Berkley of the Midwest.

Couple the al-Mansour sponsorship of the young Barry/Barack with other connections and associations of the time. For example, Obama’s involvement in planning for the 1995 Million Man March, the brainchild of Obama’s other “neighbor” — a man honored by an award bestowed by Obama and Michelle’s church, bestowed in glowing praise by Jeremiah Wright — Louis Farrakhan, of the Nation of Islam — and Obama’s contemporaneous comments after the march about reverting to Black Nationalism because “white people” didn’t give a damn. I’ve seen the quote and have posted it but want to source it for sure before throwing it around too much (a concern the Obots don’t have, but I do).

There is a lot more here.

Bottom line. This is the most radical, left wing seriously considered candidate for President of any modern nation in contemporary history, not only the United States. If he was running as the Communist Party candidate or the New Socialist Party candidate, it would look make perfect sense because those are his roots. If people labeled John Kerry as a liberal, they ain’t seen nothing yet. Obama gets a -0- rating in that department (0 being more liberal).

How he got the (formerly) Democratic party and Screaming Howard Dean to fall for this charade is simply beyond the pale but Howard’s never failed to surpass our lowest hopes for him.

So, relax about Mac not pulling a switchblade tonight and leaping across the stage at Obama. There are people working on this. But, he needed to hit this economy and hit it hard. People are confused and frightened. If he’s the type to be POTUS, he needed to respond to that. That is what a leader does. What is necessary in the time and place for his/her country. As they say it: Country First.

And, he did that. Tonight, the Country came First. And the man has a plan. Why am I not surprised.

Oh, and Barry has none. Again, not surprised.

By tomorrow, he’ll have McCain’s.

Remain vigilant. And, keep digging.

pd

IndieDogg writes: “So, relax about Mac not pulling a switchblade tonight and leaping across the stage at Obama. There are people working on this.”

Just the kind of America hater that joins the KKK or Alaska Independence Party, unless you’re already a member.
http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

And, he did that. Tonight, the Country came First. And the man has a plan. Why am I not surprised.
Oh, and Barry has none. Again, not surprised.
By tomorrow, he’ll have McCain’s.

You are right. Prior to the debate I heard on one of the news channels that Obama has told his campaign to assemble all his economic advisers to put together his plan. What has he been doing the past 2 weeks? I’m sure it will look like Mac’s with some variation so he can put his name on it. Hopefully by the time he gets around to putting his message before the public, their heads will be spinning with visions of Comrade Barry along with his Saudi friend paying for Harvard. How could any Jewish person vote for this fake?

pd

I also noticed how McCain got schooled on Pakistan. “My friends, you never tell people you’re going to bomb them” Then Obama throws it back in his face….Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran….N.Korea…and didn’t even mention McCain acting all tough guy towards Russia over Georgia, like we have any troops to spare for another war…

McCain’s a sad former shell of himself, wandering around the stage searching for another trick to pull out of his hat.

This was his forum, and even taunted Obama in the beginning about it, and it was even moderated by a Brokaw, an obvious McCain supporter…

Ani

Delusional!!! Brokaw is part of the NBC happy juice for Obama club. On what planet is he for McCain?

NBC/MSNBC gets their talking points quite clearly.

If Brokaw is a McCain supporter, so is Olbermann and Matthews.

pd

Then why did Brokaw get Olbermann and Matthews booted from their anchor positions. Why did Brokaw end a recent MTP show with an old polling result saying McCain had an advantage.
Rob in Chicago

McCain was tortured by Communists, while Obama was brainwashed and entirely co-opted by them. That “sad former shell of himself advanced the major new idea coming out of that debate while Obama rambled on with his ummms and ahhhhs.

PhxNickD

I also noticed how McCain got schooled on Pakistan

Are you new to the election? McCain has been saying the same thing about Obama and Pakistan from the beginning.

Freedom to Vote

I think Mccain did well. He stayed on the issues and answered all questions. This debate cannot change anything. What it does is show who the person really is.

Mccain showed his maturity and knowledge. Thats good enough for me and i believe for many, many americans.

BO shows that he is straight out of school and wants to show he is a straight-A student. I think many people feel that way too.

So dont be overly worried. Whats important is Mccain must continue to work on the ground. Energise the base to vote for him.

Many americans wish to know what prez they will have in the WH. A talker who has zero experience and questionable associates and judgments flaws due to his ideology and inexperience; or an experienced hand in times of hardship.
DJ

OT: article from a PA newspaper today (Oct 7) titled “Palin Tells the Truth — Washington Establishment Beware” Link at http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20153240&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Don’t know if this paper is widely read in PA. Let’s hope so.
http://firefox McAnnie Carmel Baracuda

I trust the Republicans under McCain more than the alternative. Barry and MEcille in the WH and Oval Office with henchmen Pelosi and Reid. Unthinkable. I have to vote straight Republican ticket to assure that can’t happen. I really want Pelosi and Reid out along with Frank, Dodd and Kerry.

DJ

Agree with you there, but BO is tryiing to mention Bush and McCain in the same sentence every chance he gets during the debate and McCain needs to spit it out straight with a reply that’ll end that. He hasn’t done that, imo. I’m in the Bay Area and got my vote by mail ballot yesterday. I want Pelosi out, too.

pd

Why weren’t past mentions of associations with terrorists mentioned?

Is that because no one wants to talk about Alaska Independence Party ties to Iran?

Or Oliver North selling weapons to Iran, or G. Gordon Liddy advocating shooting federal marshalls in the head?

All of these Republican terrorist ties happened far more recently, and some with McCain’s full support.

While Obama has answered questions about Ayers, if you don’t like the answers, don’t vote for him, but please explain why it was perfectly ok for a Reagan appointed ambassador (Annenberg) to fund a program whose grant applications where written and submitted by Ayers?

socalannie

The Annenberg Foundation gives out millions to different school districts and other projects around the country. Walter Annenberg was born in 1908; I doubt if he personally gave the grant to Ayers, who obviously stood for everything Annenberg was against.

Sheri rogers

Because Reagan was one of the last “great Presidents” of the United States.
Annenberg is not the problem..
Ayers is the problem
pd

So now who’s drinking the Kool-Aid…..You admit, it’s ok to sell weapons to Iran, shoot federal officers, and fund groups that include what you now call “terrorists”.

One thing I just don’t get. If Ayers is a terrorist, what’s the problem with putting him in prison?
pd

You mean Reagan was the last president to triple the national debt and lead an economy of greed and corruption for 7 years that ended with a 25% crash in the stock market….oops, just happened again……something must not be trickling down…
john

obama supporters smell funny
http://investigatebarackobama.blogspot.com/ kat in your hat

Debate:

Boring Questions.

Depressing set.

Non-reactive town hall audience.

Obama tedious…blah blah.

McCain did a good job.

Please read what was posted at the top of gretawire, it’s good advice: http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/10/08/viewer-email-read-and-post-your-comment/
warehouse553

I’m becoming pessimistic about McCain’s chances. He should’ve chosen Tom Ridge or if Kay Bailey Hutchison but the conservative right wing would have revolted. Palin is nice but she’s being dismissed. The country is so angry at Bush that they are willing to choose Obama. This Ayers’ controversy should’ve already destroyed him, along with ACORN, Odinga, and Revs Wright and Phleger.

McCain needs something new like a tape of Obama in that church nodding his head in agreement when Wright was damning America.

Rove is pro. Do you guys think that he doesn’t have anything?

Andrew

I agree. So scary!!!! Maybe Rove does have something.
PhxNickD

What makes you think Palin is being dismissed? Her rallies are hugh turnouts and she has the media listening too.

Andrew

Her rallies are so enormous!!! 30,000 people easy. She puts Obama to shame and she doesn’t need a rock concert.

DJ

I read because of McCain and Palin appearing in Ohio tomorrow together, schools are calling a “calamity day” (1/2 day classes or cancelled altogether in anticipation of traffic jams on the roads). Not because of McCain…. it’s because Palin is coming.

DJ

I thought Kerry was going to win in 2004. I was confident with Bush being so unpopular with an unpopular war plus Kerry won all the debates (I think), how could he lose. I admit I’d rather see some polling data trending to Mac. 4 weeks is a long time. BO caught up with Hillary in just a few weeks before Super Tuesday, so don’t give up on Mac. Palin is doing what Ridge and Hutchison couldn’t do and that’s to energize the RNC base. Palin should play the line BO did with Hillary….. Voters will like me (and vote for me) after they get to know me.

PhxNickD

Hey, everyone here always talks about the MSM and how it is in the tank for Obama. Anyone ever go to CSPAN? I do not do TV so have been watching the debates on CNN.com (which I hate but felt I had limited options) Tonight I went over to CSPAN. I got there early for the pre-debate show. They were taking callers to tell why you support your candidate. They had a separate line to call for each candidate, a McCain call was taken, then Obama and then Independent – all very fairly done. Those Obama windbags were cut off if they spoke to long. Some interesting points – everyone voting for McCain had issues which were important to them, the ones voting for Obama said things like “fresh” “articulate” “orator”, only one supporter went deeper and said McCain did not support poor people, but all the 0 supporters were shallow reason. Also of interest, I watched for 18 minutes and 5 rounds of calls, 4 of those 5 McCain calls were previous Hillary supporters or democrats.

So I went to CSPAN to see if they had any commentary on the debates and nothing yet, but found this survey: http://cspan.org/Topics/Zogby-Poll.aspx
Why is everyone saying Obama is so high in the polls?

Andrew

How many people said Obi did well versus Mac?

PhxNickD

don’t say, says it will be discuss at the Washington Round Table at 7:00am. Guess they don’t feel the need to put unnecessary spin out right away.

socalannie

I watched it on cspan. I tried to vote in for McCain but the line was constantly busy. I skipped past cnn & heard David Gergen pronounce that “it was a moderate win for Obama”. Ugh!

Andrew

Moderate? The people on MSNBC made it sound like the messiah had stabbed McCain to death.

Andrew

I can’t sleep. This election and economy is really bumming me out.

PhxNickD

hehehe some of us have been sitting here since February following Hillary. We know what you are going thru.

socalannie

Amen!

socalannie

I stopped watching msnbo months ago. Morning Joe is too early for me & the rest is spiteful screeching.

IndieDogg

Not sure what you think you’re accomplishing here — “pd” — spitting and spewing venom on your computer screen in a blue-faced tizzy.

Is there a strategy at work here or are you just unable to control yourself? Are we supposed to be berated into loving The One, frightened into taking the rapture, or just impressed with your well-reasoned and calm analysis of the issues. Or, are you merely a worshiper gone mad?

To answer your question, though — no, despite what you might have been fed at the Obama Camp for the Followers of Me, it is possible to criticize your leader without joining the KKK. He’s the least qualified candidate for the presidency in the history of this nation, and probably a few others.

Being part African-American does not disqualify him. Being him disqualifies him. Black, white or blue with sparkles on top.

But, I understand that you’ve been handed the little card that says, “Whenever anyone utters anything other than praise for The Messiah, yell ‘Racist’ as loud as you can.”

Astounding. But, at this point, nothing surprises me about you people (note: by “you people” I do not mean any protected minority, in case you were planning another vein-bursting tirade — I was referring only to the unthinking mob of which you are obviously a member).

Question for you. Does “pd” stand for paid? Or pe-dantic? Or, just Plain Dumb?

Rob in Chicago

IndieDogg:

That was an outstanding slapdown! Well phrased, well written, and, well, true.

Benjamin

Hillary won the debate.

AnninCA

LOL*……she really did.

Monet

Tom Brokaw was useless. He let both candidates go on and on repeating the stump speeches we can all recite in our sleep, without answering the questions. Then he let them change the rules in the middle of the debate.

Brokaw: F

I thought Senator McCain did a little better at getting his stump speech to fit the questions better than Senator Obama. I’m so tired of the stump speeches that give no information on how we’re going to resolve the issues facing us, I can’t say Senator McCain gets any points from me for being better at conforming his speech to the question.

McCain gets a point for actually tossing a name out there to head the Treasury Dept. He gets a second point for actually mentioning a plan he has for the mortgage mess, using the Treasury Dept. to rewrite troubled mortgages into 30 year mortgages with a lower principle and interest rate. Finally something concrete. Of course, he didn’t say anything about how Wall Street is going to pay off all those “swaps” aka insurance policies that were sold along with the mortgage securities.

McCain: C

I don’t think I heard anything new out of Senator Obama and nothing at all concrete about how he’ll handle the economy. It seems like everything according to him is one of our greatest challenges and he doesn’t know how we’ll fix it yet, but we can do it within ten years if we apply ourselves – just like we did with President Kennedy’s idea of going to the moon. In my opinion, our energy, financial and national security didn’t depend on us getting to the moon. If we’d never gotten there, well we might have had to do without Tang. I don’t want to hear how he doesn’t know how we won’t be energy dependent on the Middle East in ten years, he just knows we can be. Next he’ll try to sell us some WAMU stock.

Obama: D

I’m being kind to Senators Obama and McCain by not giving them failing grades. I will give them failing grades if in the final debate if they recite their stump speeches again.

Urban Hillbilly

I agree with you. Thanks for your thoughtful post.

Brokaw should not have “addendum-ed” on to the questions. His add-ons were not useful and too media elite/highbrow. Let the people ask!!!

Additionally, Brokaw should have interupted them both when they went over their allotted time. Or else, a loud beeper/air horn should’ve gone off. The pace was far too slow and added to the boring quotient.

Brokaw gets an F, yes.

Judy L. NC

McCain gets a point for actually tossing a name out there to head the Treasury Dept.

And even more brilliant to mention in passing Warren Buffet…an Obama supporter as I recall.

Monet

I gave Senator Obama a half point for how he deflected Senator McCain’s Warren Buffet comment. I didn’t give Senator McCain a point for the Mr. Buffet comment because I’m not sure how the average American views Mr. Buffet. Do they think he’s a financial wizard on a white horse that has been doing more than Congress and the White House to resolve the Wall Street mess or do they have negative connotations that the richest man in the world is supporting Senator Obama?

I also gave Senator Obama a half point for noticing the audience was showing interest in how Senator McCain was bringing the audience into his answers by talking to and approaching them and quickly adopting that method into his answers.

Shiloh

I don’t think this debate is going to change many minds but it may greatly dull the preception that the troubled economy helps Obama since polls are showing McCain did better on that issue.

Anyway, I actually think a no impact debate helps McCain. Why? Because unlike those of you buying the msm spin that Obama has the lead, I don’t think he does. I don’t think McCain has to “catch up” I think it remains for Obama to sell himself and this was another lost opportunity for him to do that.

As Karl Rove said yesterday, 4 weeks is geological time in a presidential election. Don’t allow yourself to be fooled – the millions of voters who will decide the race are still very very fluid. It may be they want “change” but they are not sold on Obama. The closer the election comes, the more voters like this move toward what they regard as a safe choice.

This is why I don’t think McCain goes on hard attack like so many of you want. He needs to keep projecting his image as avuncular and steady and nice guy. America is flirting with Obama, but will marry McCain!

tarma

Anyway, I actually think a no impact debate helps McCain. Why? Because unlike those of you buying the msm spin that Obama has the lead, I don’t think he does. I don’t think McCain has to “catch up” I think it remains for Obama to sell himself and this was another lost opportunity for him to do that.

I agree! When Obama is +3 points in polls, he is taking a clear lead; when McCain is +4, it’s a statistical deadheat. Obama has demonstrated repeatedly that he’s unable to close the deal – in spite of the blatant in-the-tank worship extended to O by the media. I also believe that more voters are recognizing that O’s “change” rhetoric is not grounded in any pragmatic or meaningful positions, plans or action and that, in fact, he represents the most cynical and entrenched practice of politics.

AnninCA

There is one contradiction in the story of this year. People do want a change, but 58% say they are disappointed in Congress, which is Democrat. They are not so sold on the Democratic Party ideas this year, I think. They also don’t want Republicans back in power.
I am beginning to think that’s the problem with that huge still undecided group.

Goblintrain

several times this year, congress’ approval rating has dropped as low as 9%. I think that is the lowest ever recorded.

alee21 of Michigan

Probably won’t help in MI, but then you never know.

Anyway, I turned in my absentee ballot (since I am moving to Tx) and voted for McCain.

I think McCain is honorable and wants to do his best and what is best for the country.

Obama just wants to trade up every step of the way, aligning himself with questionable individuals and employing unethical tactics to get what he wants. He is a disgrace.

As for the debate, I was hoping that McCain would counter punch more but perhaps the forum was not the best and perhaps the strategy is to do that on the stump.

Also, I was watching Foxnews and at the end of the debate, the camera seems to be trained on Obama+M exclusively and not McCain & Cindy. Did McCain leave the scene?

Another observation – I don’t know who was advising Michelle, but I thought wearing a dress with a plunging neckline with a very long zipper exposed to boot, was not exactly, a chic statement a potential first lady would want to make at a presidential debate.
paddyJ

Oh yeah!
Forget CBS/Rasmussen/SUSA etc. MSM bs polls.
Check this out. From today.

http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/2008candidates

AnninCA

It’s tightening again. I am guessing that people have had a week or so to let the crisis sink in and now are thinking about solutions.

Obama’s plan has not changed, in spite of being prodded by journalists to respond in an honest way. We will not be able to even think about health care, nevermind roll out some expensive plan. And nobody buys that changing our lifestyle is going to reduce costs or that medical providers could possibly get everything on-line and efficient anytime this decade. Heck, they can’t get billing right, nevermind that.

Monet

I think Senator McCain’s health care plan may start looking better than Senator Obama’s. The Obama plan offers the option of buying into the federal employees’ plans. Great for people who have extra money at the end of the month. But even people making six figures an year right now don’t have extra money at the end of the month with the high cost of energy, food, etc. The McCain plan is offering people $5k to buy health insurance. Not much of a plan for a family of four, but they might just be able to get a plan that covers hospitalization without having to invest much of their own funds. By raising the child deduction thingy, they might have a few more thousand to put towards health insurance. That’s better than no health insurance. If you’re single, $5k buys a plan with a few bells and whistles.

I think Senator McCain needs to start stressing that his plan gives people a way to afford at least basic health care while Senator Obama’s plan leaves people who can’t fit health insurance premiums into their budget without insurance. We can forget the Federal government being able to help people under the Obama plan with lowering premiums any time soon. And no, I don’t buy his argument that cutting down on paper by utilizing a national database with our health care information is going to cut down on medical costs. First, I’m not sure all that many people are going to want their health information in a national database and even if it works, the medical industry will find another way to spend the money it saves. They won’t lower health care costs.

sensible001

I think Obama needs some basic science education. We don’t need to “safely store nuclear energy”. That makes no sense. We used to store nuclear waste from spent fuel rods. Nuclear power plants now use re-processed fuel that does not need storage. Number two, he discussed how government employees “invented the computer for communication”. Actually it was Claude Shannon and Bell Labs that invented the digital circuit design theory and switching technology as well as the transistor responsible for the modern computer. It was a government lab that created the Internet, or was that Al Gore?

Urban Hillbilly

Repost this please. People need solid information. Thanks for sharing this.

Joule

OBAMA”S TIES TO ODINGA IN KENYA. This video is longer than usual, but Odinga did not win the election in Kenya. Instead he caused a big uprising and just took over. At about 6:25 into the video it shows Obama campaigning for his cousin Odinga (About August 2007). I have already seen hints of riots in the streets if Obama loses this election and hints that an Army brigade is on stand-by here when browsing leftist sites and even the CBS comment sections. ACORN has been registering fraudulent voters in all the close battleground states. The MSM praises Obama no matter what he does, and has a very high percentage of negatives for anyone on the other side. Questions about Obama and who he really is, his character and associations have either not been addressed or the substance substantially downplayed. This is not an election I am eager for.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5411
OBAMA’S NOT MY PREZ

This morning Obama up 4.7 as opposed to 6. So it’s getting tighter.
Thinker

Did anyone notice how Obama talked about the surplus this country had when Bush came into office?

Of course, he won’t say that two-term President Bill Clinton created that surplus because he had this country on the right track.

Obama never gives credit to Bill Clinton, and people wonder why Clinton doesn’t go out of his way to endorse that clown. Everytime Obama is asked about a President he admires, he always talks about Reagan.

Clinton has a foundation that fights AIDS all around the world, malaria in Africa, and the best Dem President this country has had in a long time. Obama should be kissing Bill’s ass for an endorsement. He isn’t even on Bill’s level, but Obama’s arrogant supporters act like he owes Obama something, when it’s the exact opposite.
Goblintrain

When i was still in elementary school, i read a news story of a refrigeration plant in China that had the grave misfortune of attracting the government’s attention for inefficiency. The military executed 50 of the plants senior personnel in front of the watching workers, as a motivational lesson to improve productivity.

Having seen the format of tonight’s debate, the week questions, and Tom’s incompetence as a moderator, i can’t help but would have happened if this debate had been held in China too? Would some public executions improve future debates?

:=D

Also… these 3 bloated eels, Beckell, Morris, & Luntz need to slither back to the sewers they crawled from. Why does FNC keep inviting these wretched secretions back on their show to let them vomit all over the microphone & camera? As if we give a plague-puckered rat’s end what they have to say? Surely they can find people that can make intelligent commentary or produce a scientific poll?
KenDee

These Videos are a must watch!
Barack Obama & Raila Odinga
http://www.youtube.com/v/S8QcpdUtxNQ&hl=en&fs=1
Barack Obama & Khalid Al-Mansour
http://www.youtube.com/v/8npeYfKI_ns&hl=en&fs=1”
Obama’s Friends
http://www.youtube.com/v/79fC0jAi2gc&hl=en&fs=1“
maggieb

Obama said he wrote letters about needing regulations on fannie & freddie, but Greenspan was there two years ago Not Berneke,( spelled wrong) boy he can really lie , especially since he was one of the democrats who stalled talks on this when many republicans were trying to impose regulatons
sotonightthatimightsee

I do believe the whitey tape exists..but the MSM will find a way to discredit it and diminish its effect by claiming that it’s doctored..anything to help their “agent”!!
Newly Independent

ayers is old news

Not to the masses of voters who will elect McCain weeks from now.

Sorry!
Ani

Ayers is not old news to a lot of people. I just watched Hannity’s America and I can guarantee you, a lot of voters are hearing about this association for the first time.

FOX is the #1 rated news network now, remember.
Ken in IL

The Ayers association must be explained better. The Obot in the Hannity interview was right about sitting on the board – But he denied BO endorsing Ayers’ book. If you endorse a book, you have probably read it and believe it contains good stuff, not because the author is a casual acquaintance. This is a strong indictment of BO favoring Ayers destructive philosophy. This is the angle that should be pursued.

If the Ayers connection(s) from Columbia forward could be nailed down with other than circumstantial proof that would be great.
Brandon

That’s the problem with the supposed “whitey tape”. If it does exist, and it can be said that is is a matter of perception (such as how someone pointed out that the phrase could be “why’d he”), then it won’t have much effect at all. If, however, it is clear that she said “whitey”, then that is a different story. But, again, it is all just speculation because the supposed tape hasn’t been released.
PhxNickD

This is one thing I remember from the 2004 election – the media was so sure we were so tired of Bush and the war.
The war was at it’s peak and dragging us down and America was so tired of it and the President that put us in that position. America was going to vote for Kerry and show Bush. Yep, the media had no doubts about that one either.
tek

I’m an author and if you endorse a book it’s because you are personal friends with the author.