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	<title>Comments on: That&#8217;s 2 for the Obama &#8220;Go Shopping&#8221; economic plan * Open Thread</title>
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		<title>By: Kwaayesnama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwaayesnama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed watching Michelle Obama on Larry King the other night. What an intelligent, articulate first lady she will be. Sadly the same day Cindy McCain opened her mouth and her lack of class was evident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed watching Michelle Obama on Larry King the other night. What an intelligent, articulate first lady she will be. Sadly the same day Cindy McCain opened her mouth and her lack of class was evident.</p>
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		<title>By: PamFlorida</title>
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		<dc:creator>PamFlorida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Obama say in the last debate that people need to conserve energy (duh-we have no choice), and my favorite, you won&#039;t be able to eat out as often. My family hasn&#039;t been out to dinner for over a year. We have no car payments or credit debt of any kind except for our mortgage of $130,000. Our only discretionary spending is cable tv, internet service and a cell phone family plan with shared minutes. How much more can we cut spending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Obama say in the last debate that people need to conserve energy (duh-we have no choice), and my favorite, you won&#8217;t be able to eat out as often. My family hasn&#8217;t been out to dinner for over a year. We have no car payments or credit debt of any kind except for our mortgage of $130,000. Our only discretionary spending is cable tv, internet service and a cell phone family plan with shared minutes. How much more can we cut spending?</p>
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		<title>By: red_sleeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_sleeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie, 

The Republicans are not saying there was too much regulation... In fact, it is quite the opposite. 

This may be the source of your confusion: Ideally, from the conservative perspective, divorce the government from Fannie and Freddie altogether or, as a compromise, ensure strict oversight. Since the first wasn&#039;t going to happen, several Republicans have pushed for the second, including Mr. McCain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie, </p>
<p>The Republicans are not saying there was too much regulation&#8230; In fact, it is quite the opposite. </p>
<p>This may be the source of your confusion: Ideally, from the conservative perspective, divorce the government from Fannie and Freddie altogether or, as a compromise, ensure strict oversight. Since the first wasn&#8217;t going to happen, several Republicans have pushed for the second, including Mr. McCain.</p>
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		<title>By: katmandu</title>
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		<dc:creator>katmandu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, an open thread.  I&#039;m happy this morning about the CT Supreme Court decision giving gays in that state the right to marry. 

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_re_us/connecticut_same_sex_marriage  

I know many will disagree with my opinion that this is a good decision.  But that is what democracy is all about -- and that&#039;s why even if you disapprove of gays marrying, you should be pleased that minorities are accorded basic rights by the court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, an open thread.  I&#8217;m happy this morning about the CT Supreme Court decision giving gays in that state the right to marry. </p>
<p> <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_re_us/connecticut_same_sex_marriage" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_re_us/connecticut_same_sex_marriage</a>  </p>
<p>I know many will disagree with my opinion that this is a good decision.  But that is what democracy is all about &#8212; and that&#8217;s why even if you disapprove of gays marrying, you should be pleased that minorities are accorded basic rights by the court.</p>
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		<title>By: typewriterstreaming</title>
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		<dc:creator>typewriterstreaming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust Obama who couldn&#039;t even make sure the heat was kept on for Christams in the Rezko slums he gave his pal to run? Obama&#039;s incompetence kept his district a disgraceful ghetto. Imagine 4 years of Obama with Democrats holding a veto proof majority. There is going to be major, major anger when Americans figure out they were bamboozeled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust Obama who couldn&#8217;t even make sure the heat was kept on for Christams in the Rezko slums he gave his pal to run? Obama&#8217;s incompetence kept his district a disgraceful ghetto. Imagine 4 years of Obama with Democrats holding a veto proof majority. There is going to be major, major anger when Americans figure out they were bamboozeled.</p>
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		<title>By: Monet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supposedly, Ann Stanley woke Senator Obama up early in Indonesia because she wasn&#039;t happy with the school system and to continue his English studies.  

Ann Stanley appears to have a strong conviction that education was a priority.  Most college freshmen who discovered they were pregnant in 1961 didn&#039;t finish their degrees or enroll in a new university months after the birth of their child.  His mother did manage to finish her degree before they moved to Indonesia and somehow picked up a masters and ph.d while spending good part of her adult life outside of the United States.

Considering her pursuit of higher education, it doesn&#039;t surprise me that she put an effort into supplementing her son&#039;s education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supposedly, Ann Stanley woke Senator Obama up early in Indonesia because she wasn&#8217;t happy with the school system and to continue his English studies.  </p>
<p>Ann Stanley appears to have a strong conviction that education was a priority.  Most college freshmen who discovered they were pregnant in 1961 didn&#8217;t finish their degrees or enroll in a new university months after the birth of their child.  His mother did manage to finish her degree before they moved to Indonesia and somehow picked up a masters and ph.d while spending good part of her adult life outside of the United States.</p>
<p>Considering her pursuit of higher education, it doesn&#8217;t surprise me that she put an effort into supplementing her son&#8217;s education.</p>
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		<title>By: Bellevue_NW_Voter The Renter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bellevue_NW_Voter The Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Name me ONE program Obama had the guts to admit at the debate, that he would have to cut from his agenda, due to the financial crisis. 

He couldn’t do it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I thought that was pretty significant.  And yes, my reaction was the same:  the coward voted present and avoided taking a stand that might alienate someone... AGAIN.

And BTW, I do believe McCain said we&#039;d have to make some sacrifices around Social Security benefits.  I immediately the &#039;pubs I&#039;m in contact with to tell them that that is a really bad thing to be saying to folks my age, whose retirement planning factored in the existence of social security and who (sorry to bring this up again, folks) RENT due to not having enough money to buy a home at today&#039;s prices, with a responsible mortgage, which means that I won&#039;t have a home to reverse-mortgage later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Name me ONE program Obama had the guts to admit at the debate, that he would have to cut from his agenda, due to the financial crisis. </p>
<p>He couldn’t do it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I thought that was pretty significant.  And yes, my reaction was the same:  the coward voted present and avoided taking a stand that might alienate someone&#8230; AGAIN.</p>
<p>And BTW, I do believe McCain said we&#8217;d have to make some sacrifices around Social Security benefits.  I immediately the &#8216;pubs I&#8217;m in contact with to tell them that that is a really bad thing to be saying to folks my age, whose retirement planning factored in the existence of social security and who (sorry to bring this up again, folks) RENT due to not having enough money to buy a home at today&#8217;s prices, with a responsible mortgage, which means that I won&#8217;t have a home to reverse-mortgage later.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little harsher in my judgment; an &quot;organizer&quot; who was so unsuccessful that he couldn&#039;t get a slumlord to give his tenets heat during a Chicago winter and yet there are still voters out there who thinks he can fix a depression?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little harsher in my judgment; an &#8220;organizer&#8221; who was so unsuccessful that he couldn&#8217;t get a slumlord to give his tenets heat during a Chicago winter and yet there are still voters out there who thinks he can fix a depression?</p>
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		<title>By: countryfirst_obamanever</title>
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		<dc:creator>countryfirst_obamanever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did she wake him up to study or pray to Allah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did she wake him up to study or pray to Allah?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do know that Democrats had two years to use majority clout on Republicans and immediately took &quot;impeachment off the table&quot; and then threw their hands up at every Bush ultimatum and said they really couldn&#039;t stop him.  We have to face the facts that the guardians of the country - both Republicans and Democrats blew it.  And only their cooperation, since they are still the ones running Our Country, will begin to get us out of this mess.

Like the Great Depression, it won&#039;t be easy and it won&#039;t be quick but I would like to see some of that sacrifice start at the top and work its way down to us &quot;peasants&quot; for a change.  McCain is not only expressing his willingness to try but has given us a plan (freeze on spending).  And  I don&#039;t care if he borrows from FDR&#039;s creative file if he needs to.

But Soertoro/Obama is still stuck in campaign mode, dithering over which speech will get him  the most votes.  When you&#039;re drowning it doesn&#039;t hurt to &lt;em&gt;hope&lt;/em&gt;  you won&#039;t but you have a better chance of surviving if you latch onto anything that floats by that can keep you from sinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do know that Democrats had two years to use majority clout on Republicans and immediately took &#8220;impeachment off the table&#8221; and then threw their hands up at every Bush ultimatum and said they really couldn&#8217;t stop him.  We have to face the facts that the guardians of the country &#8211; both Republicans and Democrats blew it.  And only their cooperation, since they are still the ones running Our Country, will begin to get us out of this mess.</p>
<p>Like the Great Depression, it won&#8217;t be easy and it won&#8217;t be quick but I would like to see some of that sacrifice start at the top and work its way down to us &#8220;peasants&#8221; for a change.  McCain is not only expressing his willingness to try but has given us a plan (freeze on spending).  And  I don&#8217;t care if he borrows from FDR&#8217;s creative file if he needs to.</p>
<p>But Soertoro/Obama is still stuck in campaign mode, dithering over which speech will get him  the most votes.  When you&#8217;re drowning it doesn&#8217;t hurt to <em>hope</em>  you won&#8217;t but you have a better chance of surviving if you latch onto anything that floats by that can keep you from sinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100% that as a nation, we have become addicted to debt. It is a fundemantal problem that must be addressed or it will ultimately be our ruin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100% that as a nation, we have become addicted to debt. It is a fundemantal problem that must be addressed or it will ultimately be our ruin.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re totally off base here, Perry. We&#039;re in this mess largely because Republican policies were NOT followed in the 6 years that the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. Republicans believe in lower taxes but also in spending restraint. Thanks to the blithering idiot that we&#039;ve had in the White House during that time, spending has gone through the roof. He has used his presidential veto a grand total of two times, I believe, both of which were to veto federal funding for stem cell research. 

As for the housing bubble itself and the associated meltdown in the financial markets that we&#039;re seeing now, don&#039;t you dare try to blame it on the Republicans. For the most part, it has been the Democrats who insisted on making vast sums of money available to people with little or no capacity to service those loans, who were successful in getting government backing for those loans, and who protected institutions like Freddie Mac from calls for more stringent regulation in return for gobs of campaign cash. Granted, the moron in the White House, as usual, sat there with his thumb up his ass and did nothing to stop it. But the Democrats have far more dirt on their hands with regard to the housing bubble than the Republicans do.

Of course, the typical clueless American voter doesn&#039;t understand that, and this financial crisis that was largely of the Democrats&#039; own making is going to quite likely wind up electing one of their own as president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re totally off base here, Perry. We&#8217;re in this mess largely because Republican policies were NOT followed in the 6 years that the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. Republicans believe in lower taxes but also in spending restraint. Thanks to the blithering idiot that we&#8217;ve had in the White House during that time, spending has gone through the roof. He has used his presidential veto a grand total of two times, I believe, both of which were to veto federal funding for stem cell research. </p>
<p>As for the housing bubble itself and the associated meltdown in the financial markets that we&#8217;re seeing now, don&#8217;t you dare try to blame it on the Republicans. For the most part, it has been the Democrats who insisted on making vast sums of money available to people with little or no capacity to service those loans, who were successful in getting government backing for those loans, and who protected institutions like Freddie Mac from calls for more stringent regulation in return for gobs of campaign cash. Granted, the moron in the White House, as usual, sat there with his thumb up his ass and did nothing to stop it. But the Democrats have far more dirt on their hands with regard to the housing bubble than the Republicans do.</p>
<p>Of course, the typical clueless American voter doesn&#8217;t understand that, and this financial crisis that was largely of the Democrats&#8217; own making is going to quite likely wind up electing one of their own as president.</p>
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		<title>By: Sassy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our economy is so mired down, that we will be insolvent for 20 years or more, in my opinion.

And who is riding to the rescue? Obama?
Please!

We expect economic expertise from a novice, organizer, and an enforcer...not I!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our economy is so mired down, that we will be insolvent for 20 years or more, in my opinion.</p>
<p>And who is riding to the rescue? Obama?<br />
Please!</p>
<p>We expect economic expertise from a novice, organizer, and an enforcer&#8230;not I!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh yes, they&#039;re seeing the trappings set by Fannie Mae, Freddie and the Democrats.  Socialism and that&#039;s why the markets are crashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh yes, they&#8217;re seeing the trappings set by Fannie Mae, Freddie and the Democrats.  Socialism and that&#8217;s why the markets are crashing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For   a  man  who  wasn&#039;t  even  present   when  his  mother  was  dying,   

Obama  sure   uses    her   for political purposes,  doesn&#039;t  he?    

I  find  it   deeply  offensive.  

If   he  had  any  character  at  all,  Obama  would  have  titled  his  book   &quot;Dreams  my  MOTHER   taught  me  I  could  achieve.&quot;

Dreams  of his  father?   All  delusional.   The man  deserted  him,    and  died  an  unemployed  alcoholic,  with   wives  and children   strewn  all over  the landscape.   

His  MOTHER   gave  him his  dreams.  

And  yet,  he  was  &quot;too  busy&quot;  to  be  at  her  deathbed.   

I&#039;m  not impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For   a  man  who  wasn&#8217;t  even  present   when  his  mother  was  dying,   </p>
<p>Obama  sure   uses    her   for political purposes,  doesn&#8217;t  he?    </p>
<p>I  find  it   deeply  offensive.  </p>
<p>If   he  had  any  character  at  all,  Obama  would  have  titled  his  book   &#8220;Dreams  my  MOTHER   taught  me  I  could  achieve.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dreams  of his  father?   All  delusional.   The man  deserted  him,    and  died  an  unemployed  alcoholic,  with   wives  and children   strewn  all over  the landscape.   </p>
<p>His  MOTHER   gave  him his  dreams.  </p>
<p>And  yet,  he  was  &#8220;too  busy&#8221;  to  be  at  her  deathbed.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m  not impressed.</p>
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