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“Memory is a Motherf—ker” (for both Obama and Ayers)

Even worse than the violent series of crimes that the unrehabilitated, unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dorhn committed is that Barack Obama associated with Ayers for over 20 years. Bill Ayers hired Obama as chairman of a $50 million education project that pushed Ayers’ radical ideological agenda, and Ayers hosted Obama’s first political fundraiser in Ayers’ and Dohrn’s home.

[Barack Obama and campaign have been hopelessly "erratic" -- suspiciously so -- on what he'll reveal about his longtime relationship with Bill Ayers -- they say Obama hardly knew him, they say he was just some guy in the neighborhood, then they say Obama was friendly with him, then Axelrod claims their kids went to the same school (even though they're @ 16-18 years apart in age), they refuse ever to respond about Ayers hiring Obama, Obama deletes his sole executive experience from his resume because it shows that he was Bill Ayers' employee, Obama says Ayers is rehabilitated, but now Obama says Ayers isn't rehabilitated. We need to face it: Obama is simply too "erratic" for the American people to trust as their president.]

Ask yourself: Would Ayers have hired Obama if Obama had not agreed with Ayers’ agenda? Would Ayers have backed Obama with political fundraisers and contributions if he didn’t believe Obama would push Ayers’ ideology as an elected official? Now this:

Barack Obama’s statement that he “assumed [William Ayers] had been rehabilitated” raises an interesting issue. In some press coverage of this matter, “unrepentant” has virtually become Ayers’ middle name. And while Ayers indeed appears unrepentant, it is important to note that he has never specified just what it is that he is unrepentant about. In other words, he’s never owned up to any of the crimes he committed. It would be one thing for him to say, “I did this, and I’d do it again.” But Ayers doesn’t do that.

Ayers opens his memoir, Fugitive Days [which I bet probably as fictional as Obama's two "memoirs" - Susan], with the statement, “Memory is a motherf—ker. I myself remember almost nothing.” Well, there’s a reason Ayers says he remembers almost nothing, and that is because he committed serious crimes and people quite likely died as a result of his actions. Ayers could speak to this more authoritatively, but there are still statute of limitations issues involved. After escaping prosecution, Ayers famously said of himself, “Guilty as hell, free as a bird — it’s a great country.” But he’s not going to press his luck. So he says he doesn’t remember. His wife, Bernardine Dohrn, has memory problems, too.

… [L]ook at the Oscar-nominated 2004 documentary Weather Underground, available (cut into nine parts) on YouTube.  In it, another of Ayers’ fellow Weathermen, Brian Flanagan, says:

Here’s more from NRO, and below is a snippet from John Dickerson’s incisive article in Slate magazine:

I’m not going to tell you, “Oh, I walked in here this day and put a bomb here, or I made this here, or I blew up this car, or I held up this bank.”  I mean, there were armed robberies, terrorism, all kinds of things that went down that were illegal.  So I’ll tell you that we did them, but I’m not going to tell you which ones I did or who did what, because you just can’t do that…

To repent, you have to confess your wrongdoing.  To be unrepentant, you have to acknowledge your actions and still maintain that you did the right thing. But to avoid prosecution, you have to duck the question. … Read all at NRO.)

Now, John Dickerson at Slate in “Putting Off Ayers: HOW OBAMA BENEFITS FROM THE CYNICISM HE DECRIES.“:

Now, if you’re a purist, you might say Obama should have run from Ayers the minute he learned about his past. Perhaps he should have behaved as courageously as Joe Biden says he did when he met Slobodan Milosevic. (Biden told the Serbian leader to his face that he was a war criminal.) Obama didn’t do this. At some level, he decided it was OK to have professional associations with a person who was once a domestic terrorist and didn’t seem to regret it.

Obama and his aides recognize this is an untenable position. So this week they have offered some late-in-the-game clarifications. Obama didn’t know about Ayers’ past—and when he did learn about it, he assumed Ayers had been rehabilitated. (His aides say Obama now doesn’t believe Ayers has been rehabilitated.)

From a political standpoint, finding out whether Obama and his aides are now telling the truth leads down a rabbit hole. The press can’t determine what Obama knew and when he knew it about Ayers’ past or Ayers’ level of rehabilitation. Only a revelation on those fronts would create the conditions for a big political moment of exposing Obama as a fraud. McCain can press the issue, but Obama’s statements muddy the case, . …

If you missed it, you have to watch this video — which is a quick set of snippets from the documentary on the Weather Underground that Byron York says you can watch, in full, in nine parts at YouTube. It quickly offers visuals of the violent crimes committed by Bill Ayers. NOW IMAGINE IF YOU’D HANG OUT WITH SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED THESE ACTS:

See also:

Of note:

Besides his long, intimate associations with both Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, we now have further evidence of Barack Obama’s network of alliances with radical groups such as Acorn and Socialist parties like Chicago’s New Party, via the NP’s own mid-1990s newsletter in which it endorsed Obama after demanding that Obama sign a contract promising adherence to the NP’s goals and participation in the NP’s programs:

Barack Obama

Barack Obama is running to gain the Democratic ballot line for Illinois Senate 13th District. The 13th District is Alice Palmer’s old district, encompassing parts of Hyde Park and South Shore.

Mr. Obama graduated from Columbia University and promptly went into community organizing for the Developing Communities Project in Roseland and Altgeld Gardens on the far south side of Chicago. He went on to Harvard University, where he was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated with a law degree. In 1992, he was Director of Illinois Project Vote [ACORN], a voter registration campaign that made Carol Moseley Braun’s election to the U.S. Senate much easier than it would have been. At present, he practices law in Judson Miner’s law firm and is President of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant which is distributing some $50 million in grants to public school reform efforts. [THIS is same group we know as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) that was founded by Bill Ayers. Ayers also got all the fundraising for the group, and hired Barack Obama as the CAC's chairman.]

What best characterizes Barack Obama is a quote from an article in Illinois Issues, a retrospective look at his experience as a community organizer while he was completing his degree at Harvard:

“… community organizations and organizers are hampered by their own dogmas about the style and substance of organizing. Most practice … a ‘consumer advocacy’ approach, with a focus on wrestling services and resources from outside powers that be. Few are thinking of harnessing the internal productive capacities, both in terms of money and people, that already exist in communities.” (Illinois issues, September, 1988)

Luckily, Mr. Obama does not have any opposition in the primary. His opponents have all dropped out or were ruled off the ballot. But if you would like to contribute to his campaign, make the check payable to Friends of Barack Obama, 2154 E. 71st, Chicago, IL 60649. If you would like to become involved in his campaign, call the headquarters at (312) 363-1996.

Just as Bill Ayers owes much of his standing to his father’s power as an industrialist in Chicago, Barack Obama owes much of his standing, first in Chicago and now nationally, to the doors that Bill Ayers opened for him.

  • HARP

    Unsupervised kool-aid use causes memory loss.

    • Dawnelle

      (in my best Streisand)

      “Meeeemories of the way we WERrrrrrrrrrrrre!”

      Yeah that’s how I feel about my OLD hijacked dee,dee,dee,dem (non)party!

      I did a thumbs up to a fella in a car with McCain/Palin on his bumper this morning (he didn’t even respond but I can understand why)

      it’s nothing really to be celebrating that we find ourselves where we are – - when we COULD HAVE HAD HILLARY!!!!!!!!!

      ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
      who was that comedian that died a while back that used to scream all the time??? I feel like him today!!

      one bambi bumpersticker
      one Mack
      and me

      no one is talking
      they must be really scared or unimpressed

      sigh, so many stories to read

      idea – is it possible to have a LIST of just the titles somewhere? I know I’ve missed sooooooooo many!

      (maybe there is one and I’ve not noticed, I’ll look)

      and take a breath
      and count to 10
      heh

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        Sam Kinnison was the comedian. LOL.

        That’s an accurate description of the feelings rolling around out there.

        • Dawnelle

          THANK YOU!!! YES! ;-)

      • Vicki

        Dawnelle,

        I feel so bad for you guys. I just watched the video “We will not be silenced” and I am shocked. There’s nothing to stop this bunch of thugs from repeating the performance on November 4. I am very happy to be aligned with PUMAs. But no one listened to you!

        By the way, the Weather Underground video can also be viewed on Google Videos, where it’s one long stream instead of 9 short ones.

        This stuff is really scary. Go McCain!!!

        Pray everyone!

        • Dawnelle

          Thanks Vicki (it really does help when others are not afraid to say they understand)

          sometimes that’s just enough to keep you going until the NEXT moment when you read or hear something that gets caught in your throat! (COUGH,COUGH)

          “excuse ME HUH????” (bug eyes and all)

          “U MUST BE KIDDIN ME?”
          “he said what?”
          “they did what?”

          it’s nuckin futz

        • http://blogawayintothenight.wordpress.com/ Miss H

          Obama is a total liar on all fronts. The one lie to really watch out for is his false claim to be a Christian. His relationship with Odinga in Kenya, the country of which Mr. Obama was first a citizen of, is the scariest. Obama tried his best and worked with Odinga for 2 years to get Islamic Sharia law to be the law of the land in Kenya. Ladies you had better be ready to wear those veils, stop driving, and cow-tow to the husband that was picked for you by the males in the society. Ladies you can be beaten under this law. How any woman can vote for Obama, after his destruction of Senator Hillary Clinton and the ungoing destruction of Governor Sarah Palin, is beyond me. Obama hates women and will do anything to destroy women and the USA. I can’t put it any more clearer than this.

          • http://blogawayintothenight.wordpress.com/ Miss H

            Why doesn’t someone ask him in these townhall meetings if he would please recite the Lord’s Prayer or list the 10 Commandments. I bet you would hear a deafening chorus of UH….UH….UH….UH. It has been reported that he can quote Islamic prayers in beautiful and fluent Arabic. If elected President, God forbid, which book do you think he will be sworn in on? Probably the autobiography written for him by Bill Ayers.

  • AnninCA

    Obama lost credibility with me entirely with the great speech over the Wright flap. I knew that moment that he was emotionally manipulative in a way that many politicians are not.

    NAFTA, the race card in SC, denial of Rezko connection, lying about opponent programs while claiming to take the high road, 100% negative campaigning while pretending the other guy is the one doing it, etc.

    Normally, if I had any real record to go on, I wouldn’t put too much weight on this. He is, after all, campaigning. However, we have no record, so we have to use what he offers: His campaign tactics and actions over this past 2 years.

    It’s insulting, in my opinion, to suggest that he thought they’d been rehabilitated. That’s as absurd as asking us to believe he never knew his spiritual mentor said hateful things about white people and the country.

    If the country wishes to elect this man with clear radical roots, then there’s nothing much I can do….except cast my vote.

    The real question he should answer is simple. Has HE been rehabilitated?

    And then, he needed to line his actions up. He failed to do that. He’s now out lying to the public about the mortgage plan.

    There’s no legitimate discussion going on in his talks. He’s being, again, irresponsible.

    • Docelder

      Does anybody doubt now the whole thing was orchestrated? He had “the speech” well before the planned event. We were being inoculated and race was being positioned into a place where it could only help the Obama campaign and has led us to where we are now… where a white suit is “racist code”.

    • Diana

      I’d like to know what he thought they had been rehabilitated from? Since he said he knew nothing of their past, he’d have to think they’d be rehabilitated from something, what exactly was that? Let’s see first he’s just a guy in the neighborhood. Then he served on a board with him, but didn’t know him. Even though it was two boards one that he funneled money to him aand the other board through Amazing isn’t it Ayers leaves the Woods Fund, Obama funnels him millions of dollars over to the Annenburg Challenge, then leaves the Woods fund and goes over to Annenburg with Ayers. Worked with his wife for several years at the law firm. Now it’s I thought he was rehabilitated…

      • Vicki

        As late as 2001 Ayers said he didn’t regret setting bombs, that he wishes he had done more (which the news media has recently tacked on “to end the war,” liars). He has never said he was sorry for anything he did. Hence, he’s unrepentant.

        I guess 0bama thinks he can say anything that comes into his head and the press will lap it up like whipped cream.

  • Judy L. NC

    Many good points, Susan. The more I think about this relationship, the more upset I become. I’d be interested to know more about Mechelle and Dohrn’s friendship. Ayers and Dohrn CANNOT be invited to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.

    Just wanted to add that the documentary is available for instant viewing on Netflix. Very worthwhile. Brought back many bad memories.

  • HARP

    The Sun Times today gave a major clue that Barack Obama will indeed go down with Tony Rezko, sooner rather than later. It looks as though Rezko is about to turn on Alexi Giannoulias, the 30-year old State Treasurer of Illinois (who was elected only because Obama backed him).

    Here’s where all the clues are…and then we’ll walk you through the local Chicago politics on how today’s hint by the Sun Times has us convinced, for the first time ever, that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could indeed send Barack Obama to jail.

    http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/10/urgent-big-story-about-to-break-we-are-one-step-closer-to-rezko-giving-obama-up-to-federal-prosecutors/

    • Ted Kennedy’s Swim Coach

      HARP,
      I lived in Chicago until recently. At the time I couldn’t understand why Obama would endorse someone who HAD NEVER VOTED before and had no record for treasurer. The article connected the dots quite well.
      Then again, I couldn’t understand why he endorsed Todd Stroger, son of John Stroger and the poster boy for Chicago nepotism and cronysism. This is the same jerk who raised sales tax to 10.25% (highest in the nation) as a response to the budget shortfall and then had the gall to appoint his cousin and buddies to prominent positions. Then he proceeds to give them a RAISE when the budget is in a “crisis”!!!!
      What is sad is that Cook County is so saturated in this type of behavior that no one bats an eye and the voters are too blind to vote for anyone that is outside their ethnicity or to an opposite party.

    • WasLNbutNoBamaBotsKeepStealingMyName

      Very, very interesting. Godpeed to Patrick Fitzgerald.

  • Judy L. NC

    Many good points, Susan. The more I think about this relationship, the more upset I become. I’d be interested to know more about Mechelle and Dohrn’s friendship too. Ayers and Dohrn CANNOT be invited to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.

    Just wanted to add that the documentary is available for instant viewing on Netflix. Very worthwhile. Brought back many bad memories.

  • Judy L. NC

    Sorry for the double post. Posting is slow– lots of folks on here this morning…. And that amazon ad is dancing.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Which ad, Judy? I can try to get rid of it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bijtBkKQwY8 Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright

    Awesome Post Susan!!

  • Johnny Rebel

    Larry, what are you waiting for?

    If you don’t release the Michelle Obama whitey tape soon, than Barry Blow-bama is going to beat McCain!

    I know you want to hold the tape back until the last week of the campaign, but that might be too late!!

    McCain is running a horrible campaign now! Why won’t he bring up Rev. Wright? It’s like McCain doesn’t even want to win.

    McCain needs your help, Larry! Release the tape!

    McCain 2008
    Hillary 2012
    Palin 2016

  • trails

    Don’t criminal defendants learn to couch their words in “to the best of my recollection?” Slippery guy that Ayers, just like the guy he hopes to put into the White House. Ugh.

  • Tricia

    Please tell me the October Surprise is coming I can not take it anymore. Maybe the debate McCain will unload

  • lantern

    A Fox News report quoted McCain as stating:

    “decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.”

    I do not know the context of this quote. I do not trust the MSM. But this is what most people will read. What do you think. Does this undermine McCains past messages on Obama/Ayers and does it mean he will not address other dubious relations. Or is there a tactic I miss?

    I would have responded differently. Something like: “I understand your concerns about the people he associate himself with, the people he lends his ear to, but request that you show your objections in a different manner – by voting against Obama”.

    • jvsp

      If McCain declares Obama for what he is: sympathetic to anyone who harbors antipathy for America, i.e. Obama is D A N G E R O U S; the media accuses McCain of scaremongering and being disrespectful and condemning half of America, the ones who supports THE mighty One of being idiots who can’t recognize a pathogen (though they are).

      If McCain “levels” with the American people and tells them what the real economic situation “is” and what to expect, the media will accuse him of pessimism, defeatism, having no plan, showing no leadership. etc.

      The media is the biggest, and longest lived organization of traitors to enjoy complete immunity in acting however they please while doing it with impunity.

    • Andy

      Yep, this is true. It was in response to a question in a town hall meeting. You can find the clips here.
      http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/10/mccain-booed-after-telling-crowd-to-be-respectful-to-obama/
      I don’t know what McCain is doing frankly….

      • http://mmb silverfox

        Ady..

        maybe, and i hope this is so, McCain is playing possum with the obamacoup folks.

        perhaps their will be a sucker punch awaiting the bobo at the next debate.

        the McCain Strategy may be saving the best stuff for the last televised face to face streetfight.

        unadulterated and uncut.

        and most importatntly…..
        unspinnable by the bobocoup media.

        one certainly hopes so.

    • Dawnelle

      it’s because McCain is NO HILLARY!!!

      but he’s better than Bambi

  • hadenough

    The memory trick only works because the “liberal media” lets it work. Also long as we are willing to put up with the matthews and olbermans we’ll get the candidates we deserve.

    • WildChild

      You have to cut your ties with evangelic conservatism and stop calling it the “liberal media”. The liberal media wouldn’t have been for George W Bush. But the corporate sure was. Now the corporate media has shifted it’s allegiance to BOBO. That can only mean BOBO is the best candidate for the wealthiest one percent in this country. BOBO is going to make sure their gravy train keeps a rolling.

      • Dawnelle

        good point

        they all lost it at some point around 2003

  • wodiej

    It makes me sick to think that people are not only naive enough to think Obama would make a good President or leader of anything, it makes me sicker how many people realize Obama’s dangerous and corrupt associations and shares these qualities and THEY DON’T FUCKING CARE. It isn’t that they don’t believe it, they think it is ok!! What kind of country do we live in where someone can get remotely close to the White House who is friends with people like Wright, Rezko, Farrakhan and Ayers?? Someone please tell me because I don’t fucking get it!! Ayers and his wife are ABSOLUTELY EVIL.

    • notrees

      Globalization and the current Financial Crisis is near the same atmosphere that brought out all the radicals and ultimately WW11. That is what kind of world this is all leading up to and all the more reason to elect someone with experience–especially military experience.

    • mcpalin hill

      wodiej — I have to wonder how much this economic mess was orchestrated to get Obama in. Because when people are frightened they will vote for anyone who is different from the statis quo. They do this to their own detriment. Bad economic times foment Dictators.

    • Vicki

      New post from The Corner at NRO:

      Bigger Than Ayers [Mark Hemingway]
      I’ve stayed largely silent on the William Ayers controversy because, while associating with someone of that nature is completely reprehensible, I’m not altogether convinced it’s a poltically effective attack. (I also wish McCain was putting a better economic message on the table right now as well.) Further, if associating with criminals is a problem — there are more relevant associations with ties to his campaign that everybody ought to be concerned with.

      I’ve been screaming into the abyss for some time about Alexi Giannoulias, the Illinois state treasurer that Obama endorsed when he ran for office despite no previous political experience, who has been personally mixed up with organized crime via business dealings with his family’s bank. Well, guess what — this little nugget turned up in a column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

      Sneed hears rumbles political fund-raiser/fixer Tony Rezko, who is now singing sweetly to the feds from his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, has been talking about his “dealings” with a Chicago bank, which has political connections.

      Now that’s throw away item in a political gossip column, so I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt. But if there’s any truth to it the odds that Rezko is singing about Giannoulias’ Broadway Bank are exceedingly high. If Giannoulias turns out to be in legal trouble again, there’s no way Obama can disatance himself like he has with Ayers. Giannoulias has been out raising lots of money for his campaign, and was even given a speaking slot at the Democratic convention in August.

      So Obama chose to have him associated with his campaign. This was well after it became public that Giannoulias had loaned $11.8 million to Michael Giorango, a convicted bookmaker and prostitution promoter. Giannoulias first denied he personally approved the loan, then Chicago Tribune reported that Giannoulias personally oversaw $11.8 million in mortgage loans to Giorango in 2005. Then Giannoulias said the money had not gone to finance Casinos for organized crime. He appears to have lied again: “But newly obtained records show that $3.6 million of the recent loans were used by Giorango and another convicted felon to acquire a casino boat marina in Myrtle Beach, S.C.,” reported the Tribune.

      It’s not like the Obama campaign can credibly say they didn’t know about this before he was out raising money for the campaign. But I’d like to believe major news agencies might want to pull a few reporters out of dumpsters in Wasilla (probably starting to get really cold up there anyway) and get them to Chicago to look into a potential Rezko-Giannoulias connection toot sweet. Maybe there’s nothing there, but it’s worth looking into right?

      I can dream, can’t I?

      http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWZlN2RmNTlkYWRhY2I4MDQzY2FiMDcxNGM5MzYwMzk=

  • oowawa

    “NOW IMAGINE IF YOU’D HANG OUT WITH SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED THESE ACTS”

    Okay, this link has been posted before, and I will not do it again. Some of you have read it before, but for those who haven’t, it’s a must-read. The story has the detailed reek of truth, and really helps to flesh out the persona of O’s neighbor & associate:

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=9e8cd8a7-e90b-4311-8aa9-aefd014a14b2

  • NCgirl

    Lantern, I heard McCain say this to a man in the crowd. He said “You do not have to be scared of a President Obama.” I was shocked. He then went on to say that he thought he(McCain)would make a better president. McCain went over to an older woman who though Obama was an Arab. McCain told her that he was not an Arab, but a good Chritian family man. I would like to know how McCain knows all this, because all of us have doubts about just what Obama is and believes. The crowd didn’t like this at all. Boos and jeers ensued. I didn’t like it. I was angry that McCain thought it was his job to ease fears about Obama. What the hell is he doing now? Does he “want” to lose.

    • imustprotest

      Remember when the press hounded Hillary about Obama asking her repeatedly if Obama was a Muslim? She finally responded with something like…”he’s not a muslim as far as I know” OMG! They blasted her, they howled bloody murder at her!!!!

    • Khan Krum

      I think he knows that he has some doomsday devices in his arsenal. That’s the only explanation I can come up with.

      To Wodiej: I know how you feel. I’m starting to look at these folks as traitors, knowing what they know and still willing to support Obama bin Biden. It’s getting hard to look at them any other way.

    • csuzeq

      I am hoping that McCain knows the stuff coming that will make sure no one will vote for Obama. No one, only crazies. That is why he is saying you don’t have to be a fraid of a President Obama. Hopefully meaning because it will never happen. Never Happen. never happen.

      I just keep telling myself that over and over to get through this.

      I am taking the day 11/5 off from work. To avoid the riots or to hide under my blankie (or maybe under the bed) or maybe both!

      anyone else planning a break after the horror of election 2008!

      • Dawnelle

        I’m not worried really. It will either be a landslide for McCain so they will not have the BALZ to even grumble about it OR

        he (bambi bamboozler) will win and it will be jimmy cracker corn who will be loading up his guns and gassing up the guzzler

        either way no one will be after moi (far as I can tell)

        then again maybe I should invest in something nra

        (I’ve seen so many “firsts” this year why not add another one?)

        :-/

        • Vicki

          Buy a gun if the polls get worse Dawnelle. We are.

      • Postmaster

        If Obama wins I will not get out of bed for a week! And when I do, I will immediately start flooding the MSM with my repetitive emails that I’ve been sending for weeks.

      • Papoose

        Me too. I’m thinking of spending the day making tinfoil hats to sell on a corner somewhere.

        It is scarey.

    • http://mmb silverfox

      NcGirl

      McCain is lulling the watching bots into the lair. (i’m sure many insert themselves in to every McCain/Palin event. they probably wear McCain paraphernalia as disguises.

      i’m hoping the Mac brings the wave machine to the next debate. obama wants McCain to “say to his face” , and i hope the hell McCain unloads.

      • Mary

        “say it to my face?”

        Hell, Obama didn’t even have the balls to “Say it to his face” when his comrades were calling Bill Clinton a racist.

        Obama too much of a two-faced coward.

    • AnninCA

      Because he isn’t Arab, for gosh sakes. These are old stale rumors, and McCain is right to set the record straight.

      People can’t seem to really listen well these days. John is attacking Obama on his truthfulness. NOT on his associations.

      I agree with John. I couldn’t care less about Ayers. He’s a gasbag professor at this stage.

      What’s relevant is the habit of lying. And Obama has that pattern.

      THAT…..THAT…..is relevant.

      • karen for Clinton – 2012

        sorry for posting so late on this thread but feel this cannot go unsaid here.

        ann, you are not paying attention. you likely didn’t go through the history of it up close. i lived in NYC and worked for NYPAC and secondarily with Todd Gitlin and the SDS. the reason ayers left and splintered into the WU was we were from the MLK non-violent sit-in group, and they were into the communist overthrow the gov’t and kill the pigs approach. go watch the video about ayers where Gitlin spells it all out clearly.

        dohrn and ayers video from 2007 at a conference where they both speak at length and say they are communist and want to overthrow the gov’t. 2007.

        they mean it, count on it. barky knows too.

        all his best buddies want CHANGE, radical change.

        it is a pattern, it has enormous evidence.

        connect the hundreds of dots, they spell out the word “oshitler” to me. remember the movie dr. zhivago?

  • //Yahoo ALforHill

    If Obama’s MSM have touted in the primaries and throughout his entire campaign, his people are computer savvy idividuals. Re: the TN congressman’s kid who hacked GOV. Palin’s e-mail. The world Bank computer system has been hacked into, the economy goes (to quote Barney Fife) cablooey just in time to help “who?” Paid troll hackers hack anti-Obama website’s and cause them to crash repeatedly. Anyone doubt diebold machines are more than likely to be hacked into along with ACORN gone wild in whose favor? I just hope MAC can outsmart this bunch of thugs.

  • NCgirl

    Hey, I just read this. Rezko is singing and I hope he sings a tune about Obama. Here is the link:

    http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/rezko_spilling_the_beans

    • hadenough

      I hope I’m wrong but I have a feeling rezko won’t mention barry unless he absolutely has to. Maybe months from now if ever. If the “liberal media” had done their job barry would be banging his tin cup on the bars right now crying for a latte.

      • http://blogawayintothenight.wordpress.com/ Miss H

        If Rezko tries to spill the beans on Obama, Rezko will be found dead in his prison cell. These Chicago thugs play hard ball and will stop at nothing. If Rezko survives, Barry O. will issue a Presidential pardon for him, as a team player.

  • joseyJ

    Writing about the book for the Wall Street Journal, Fred Siegel — a contributing editor for the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal — observes that Freddoso describes “the tension between Mr. Obama’s public persona and his practical politics.

    “The key, for Mr. Freddoso, is the Chicago world in which Mr. Obama made himself first a community organizer and then a state senator, before heading off to Washington in 2005. It is by viewing Chicago that the gap between Mr. Obama’s rhetoric about reform and his career as a conventional Chicago pol is most visible.”
    And Chicago is a city in decline, Siegel notes:

    # In recent years the city has lost its two leading banks and thousands of jobs in the futures and commodities markets.

    # Chicago’s middle class continues to flee — between 2000 and 2006, 63,000 people left the city.

    # Chicago has the highest retail sales tax in the nation, 10.25 percent, and is the only city with a head tax on employment.

    # Corruption and crime continue to thrive — Chicago has a murder rate three times higher than New York’s.

    Siegel writes: “And yet, Mr. Freddoso argues, reform for Mr. Obama ‘is something to discuss during election campaigns, not to be implemented or followed’ when it might jeopardize his ambitions.

    Continuing his report on Freddoso’s book, Siegel writes: “By his own admission, Mr. Obama’s eyes were long on the prize of becoming the mayor of Chicago. Thus his willingness to make common cause with Tony Rezko, Allison Davis and Valerie Jarrett, locally wired political figures who did well for themselves by using state dollars to build publicly subsidized slums…

    “What Mr. Obama did was unexceptional. He simply cultivated the people he needed to cultivate in order to climb the greasy pole of local preferment, giving beautiful speeches along the way.”

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/miarticle.htm?id=2939

  • mj

    Wasn’t George Soros behind the collapse of England’s currency?
    Pleeeease pass this one around:
    Soros bets on U.S. economic Collapse

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2098130/posts

    • Minnow

      Yes, the delightful George Soros often recounts his glee at the misery he wrought in Britain’s financial sector, and he boasts about how much money he made as ordinary people lost their jobs and homes. Really unpleasant man, which accounts for why he and Pampers get along so well and have a lot in common.

  • Paul3triple

    McCain said in his response you guys are complaining about, He said,”of course i don’t want him to be president. I would make a much better president”

    You guys are taking the bait. Obama and the media have half of you guys arguing with each other and getting mad at mccain.

    Silly really.
    McCain should take the highroad. Do you think Obama is succesful because his supporters argue with each other and their candidate?
    No they work mindlessly and illegally.

    We should work hard. Not mindless or illegal. We have to stop complaining mccain won’t excoriate obama. While the other complain he should talk economy.
    We need to be united.
    Defend Freedom
    Defeat Obama

    Also, McCain and the RNC are spending 160 million dollars the last 2 weeks of the election per Fox.
    You just need to be patient and trust Mccain.
    In the last 2 weeks along with 527 groups and groups like the NRA. McCain is going to unleash an onslaught of over 200 million dollars to defeat obama.
    That is $100 million a week. Obama has spent most of his money up. He has money, but not that much in that short of time.
    McCain and the RNC have been playing rope-a-dope and letting Obama blow all his money.

    • NCgirl

      Telling that man in the crowd that “he didn’t have to be afraid of a President Obama” was a very bad choice of words. He just should have listened to the man and said something like he(McCain)thinks Obama is a decent guy or something, not that he doesn’t have to be afraid of a President Obama. He and everyone needs to be very afraid of a President Obama. You can take the “high road” without being stupid about it.

    • Zeke

      An insightful and very valid observation…
      Thanks

    • Docelder

      Exactly, McCain gets this. It makes me glad to know he understands. Why are people like O’Reilly and even Obama himself baiting McCain to overtly attack Obama? Because when he does… Obama wins. That is what they want McCain to do. Palin has to attack. Why? Because of the complex psychological makeup of this campaign orchestrated by Alinsky victim memtality architects. The minute McCain yakes a personal swipe at Obama… however justified… the rhetoric from Obama and the MSM (at there is no distinction) will immediately shift to a powerful establishment white senator… unfairly keeping Obama down. This will be followed by Obama telling all of us… “Look at what torment I am enduring for your sake”… “This was never about me”… “I am only doing this for you”. McCain is showing he is truly wise and understands that his opponent is not just Obama. More is stake than an election cycle. This goes way past red vs. blue. This is for “all the marbles”.

      • Postmaster

        I would like to add something here after reading several posts finding fault with McCain’s response to the couple of people at his rally. Do you remember the many times Obama has stood and said, ‘they will try to make you afraid of me, I don’t look like other presidents’….and on and on. If McCain would have responded any other way than he did, Obama would be all over the tv screaming, I told you ‘they’ would make you afraid of me.’ It would serve no purpose for McCain to have said anything other than what he said. There will always be people in any crowd that incites others with their comments. McCain can’t afford to have a mini riot erupt at his rallies. Whether or not McCain or the RNC has a big surprise, I will still vote McCain/Palin.

        • Docelder

          Exactly again, Obama has inoculated supporters and has preemptively staged his position. McCain is proving to be a great strategist. McCain needs to hold his own and stick to what he knows is right. It has worked thus far… It will prevail.

  • pkat

    I would to PROFOUNDLY THANK the
    “ADMINISTRATOR”
    for the wonderful job u r doing.
    It makes my devoted reading & blogging here
    so worth it.

    Also thank you to all that NQ leaders who have and keep educating me and my family.

    MY SINCEREST GRATITUDE,
    PKAT

    • Sue

      I second this!!

      Thank you NQ!

      • Dawnelle

        3rd!! :-)

  • Minnow

    OT, but I read this and am appalled that when Obummer said that he’d “get in your face” to win votes, he actually meant “bully your elderly relatives”!

    ttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4923015.ece

  • bayareavoter

    My husband reads NQ when he can and knows about Ayers but the other day he saw that pic of Ayers standing on the American flag and commented that it would make most middle American voters (he’s originally from Iowa) go NUTS!

    A picture IS worth a thousand words–the 527s or McCain should be using that pic in their ads.

    In this atmosphere and now that many people have heard Ayers’ name I do think the picture would do the most harm.

  • tillthen

    Tantalizing item posted at FOX. Sorry if its old news.
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/11/jailed-obama-fundraiser-spills-beans/

  • MRS.MCMAD

    I was born in 1962. When I was a kid in St. Louis, I looked out my window and saw the crazy hippies burning down the ROTC building of Washington University, the place of the VP debate. I remember watching the flames vividly today, even though I was only, what, 7 or 8 back then? I also knew about the Weather Underground growing up and the hideous, murderous, anti-America acts of Ayers and Dorhn et al. I went to school and was taught American History, something Obama clearly states he missed and is ignorant of. I can safely say that knowing what I know, in my 30′s and now 40′s I have the dignity, class, common sense and love of America to keep them off the list of my friends. Obama, in embracing Ayers and Dohrn, embraces their continued hatred of America and the acts of treason, murder, and destruction of America that they are “unrepentant” about committing. Anyone who thinks otherwise, or minimizes these continual, radical, anti-America associations of Obama needs mental health care of the highest order.

  • Freedom

    CHECK THIS OUT!!

    Is Obama using Ayers/Weatherman LOGO?

    http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-logo-weather-underground-logo/

  • MMI

    McCain’s campaign needs to intersperse quotes from Obama and his campaign into the ads about Ayers.

    “He’s a guy who lives in my neighborhood” Obama … No, Ayers bombed neighborhoods.

    “Bill Ayers lives in his (Obama) neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school…They’re certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together.” Axelrod (Ayers children are adults, Obama’s children are in elementary school. Ayers once said “Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents”. Obama had his political coming out party at Ayers home.

    “I assumed he had been rehabilitated” Obama… Ayers in NYT after 9/11/2001 “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”

    I am sure there are more little gems out there. McCain has to use facts and contrast that with Obama’s own words and acts.

    This is also true for NAFTA. Why doesn’t the McCain campaign use clips of Obama promising to renegotiate NAFTA in Ohio during the primaries and contrast that with 1) the memo from the Canadian government saying “an Obama adviser had told Canada’s government the candidate’s criticism of NAFTA was ‘more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans.’” and 2) Obama back-peddling on what he promised Ohio and Pennsylvania during the primaries, telling Forbes “Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified,”

    Why are they not bringing up his flip-flops on FISA, campaign finance, Iraq?

    If possible the could lump all the flip flops into one commercial, using his own words to show him speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    Obama’s strength is his rhetoric. Why is it not being used to reveal his lies to voters.

    Look at why SNL has been able to undermine Palin. Use that against Biden and Obama.

  • MRS.MCMAD

    Comment by V | 2008-10-11 11:47:02

    McMad affirms: I went to school and was taught American History, something Obama clearly states he missed and is ignorant of.

    Where exactly did Obama state he missed and is ignorant of this? Cite, please.

    ==========================================

    “He’s just a guy in the neighborhood.”

    “I thought they had been rehabilitated.”

    Do you need more?

    1) If he DIDN’T know, he is IGNORANT and not fit to be POTUS.

    2) If he DID know, he associates with known UNREPENTANT terrorists and is a LIAR, therefore not fit to be POTUS.

    Take your pick. Ignorant or a liar. Not going to be in the White House, either way.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    I think maybe McCain made the Obama ‘s a good guy statements so that it doesn’t look like he is complicit in peoples anger and anti Obama sentiment.

    It was probably a good move because he (McCain) goes on record as having tired to quell the anger. People are free from that point on to feel they way they want to and it probably didn’t change many minds about Obama.

    I’ve maintained that if there were going to be angry crowds it would be the majority this time and not the minority.

    Obama has massive karma he has to own up to and more people will be angry about those things (Rezko, Ayers, lies, socialism, obfuscation, etc) than the color of skin issue that the Obama campaign has always tried to tie in.

    We’ll see…

    • Dawnelle

      I also remember Sarah being wise and saying she can’t fight someone who buys ink by the barrel

      meaning of course that MOST of the MSM is against them and can proclaim it on all their networks so they MUST not look angry or the crazy left will cut and paste the clip on every network

      MCCain and crowds not stable!

      (would be the headline)

    • notrees

      :) McCain hasn’t forgotten the 60s& 70s radicals, the bastards who spit on everyone they wearing the American uniform.

      • notrees

        Memory is a MOTHER—. It pisses me off so much I sometimes forget part of what I mean to say. I left out seen/saw–whatever

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    tried…

    • Dawnelle

      freudian perhaps? heehee!

      time to cop some Zzzzzzzz’s?

  • joanna4McPalin
  • MRS.MCMAD

    Comment by csuzeq | 2008-10-11 11:26:57

    I am hoping that McCain knows the stuff coming that will make sure no one will vote for Obama. No one, only crazies. That is why he is saying you don’t have to be a fraid of a President Obama. Hopefully meaning because it will never happen. Never Happen. never happen.

    I just keep telling myself that over and over to get through this.

    I am taking the day 11/5 off from work. To avoid the riots or to hide under my blankie (or maybe under the bed) or maybe both!

    anyone else planning a break after the horror of election 2008!
    ———————————————–

    Honestly, we are still far enough out that I think the Bombs on Obama will fly and we will win. That said, I live in Los Angeles. I already dealt with the LA riots once. Not doing it again. Last time a bunch of friends of mine and I left town. This time I believe I will be home, packing my house up and making my move out of this pathetic country. If the US is a traitor to ME and elects Obama, I owe it nothing. And especially not the destruction of the life I have made here all because people are too ignorant to do their homework before they vote. My tax dollars will not go to Obama’s “Global Redistribution of Wealth.” I don’t owe it to Obama to support his REAL friends with my hard work. I will go where there is a fair, balanced economy and political climate. And the rest of the morons who voted for Obama, and to destroy America, can live like Fidel’s slaves. I’m done.

    • hilldemgoneindie

      csuzeq…

      I will go where there is a fair, balanced economy and political climate.

      pray tell, where is that? coz i’d sure like to join you should the horror of all horrors happen.

  • Soldier of Christ

    I tell you what…..I really have no choice but to vote for Mccain- but the man needs to hide for awhile. He is apologizing for everything about Obama. If someone called him a arab- he should have said ” Well..I don’t know about that….” and continue talking to the audience- not that “a decent respectable family man , and the rest of the garbage he kept giving him credit for. NOBODY goes to these stumps to listen to this crap. These people know everything already about Obama. Mccain lost to Bush because he wouldn’t get tough- and he is doing the same crap with Obama. Obama right now is running on one leg instead of two. His polls went down in Ohio and Mccain is up by two. What does Mccain think…that being nice is doing this change? It is Palin’s pitbull style and his negative ads. Somebody, please tell Mccain to continue the kitchen sink campaigning- it is working—-Obama’s polls are going down. That is why he is heading to Ohio- all the fraud ballots were probably thrown out and Mccain is back on top- the real top and dear Obama is running to try to save himself in the polls!

    • NCgirl

      I agree Soldier of Christ, but you and I seem to be in the minority here. McCain needs to play upon Obama’s weakness, i.e. his associations with questionable characters. They should have been doing it all along, but can’t cry over spilt milk. They don’t have that saying “nice guys finish last” for nothing.

  • MRS.MCMAD

    mment by WildChild | 2008-10-11 12:23:23

    I think when you elaborated on what you and the goat did last night on the kitchen table….

    ============================================

    ROFLMAO

    GOOD ONE.

  • MRS.MCMAD

    Soldier of Christ,

    I hear you. But I am very conflicted on this issue. If McCain opens his mouth about Obama, just like the rest of us, he becomes a “racist.” It’s a really tough balance I think. I am sad that McCain won’t go for the jugular, but we ALL know if he did the next day the MSM would brand McCain some sort of psychotic sheet wearing KKK member. This country is going to hell and I am not sure what the answer is. I know it’s to keep Obama out of government at any cost. But, how, I don’t know.

  • Peggy Sue

    I think McCain’s comment on Obama being a “decent man, a family man” and saying, “you needn’t be afraid of him” was to quell some of the angry comments from the crowd, picked up by the MSM and fashioned into “the angry mob mentality” meme being pitched by the Obamatrons. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these outbursts weren’t inspired by Axelrod provocatuers.

    Hey, when you have Obamatrons running around saying,”Rumor is Truth,” anything is possible.

    Another thing that left me aghast was reading at Politico that within 4 days last week, the Obama campaign released 25,000 campaign ads. Think about that: 25,000 in 4 days. They are saturating the market, trying to drown out any and all opposition, discussion or analyses to or about “The One.”

    Add that to the 30 minute TV spots they’re planning right before Election Day. This isn’t a campaign. It’s a frigging Revolution.

    And dare I say? Where is the money coming from? Forget the stupid meme that all these dollars are from grassroot supporters. If you still believe that you really are braindead.

    Our chance to stop the craziness is now. But will we? Guess we’ll find out on the morning of Nov. 5th. Then we’ll know whether we’re Americans or sheep.

    • NCgirl

      He told the man in the crowd that “you don’t have to be afraid of a President Obama.” Very poor choice of words. I agree that McCain should have said that Obama was a nice, decent guy or something like that, but not what he actually did say to the guy.

  • lantern

    I still think McCain could have expressed himself better.

    However, in my opinion he probably feels he had to come out against the anger and emotions in order to state that his campaign is not driven by anger etc. I think he wants to have a shot at the undecided voters who might not necessarily vote on character.

    However, he bets that those voters that are upset and concerned about the Obama associations will vote for him irrespective of the position he took.

    And then other stuff will still surface and compound the concerns. He might want to reconsider his statement in light of new info.

  • http://elect2009.wordpress.com OMGIAMGOINGNUTS – Cindie

    Great post …

  • TeakWoodKite

    This will end badly for BO.

    SusanUnPc, well done. The mere fact that BO lies about his dealings with the likes of Ayers shows he can not be trusted.

    Worse his judgement is obviously impaired.

    When the call is made, BO’s value as a commodity is sub-prime and come the 4th he will not be able to close the deal.

    The dems in attempting to conflate Ayers with “troopergate” will only drive votes away from BO.
    I agree with Mr. Johnson said. Good for you Mr.Palin!

  • Judy

    In addition to being available on Google, “The Weather Underground” is also available in 1 video on AOL.

    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/weather-underground/3060204557?icid=acvsv3

    Obama was the head of the board for the Chicao Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 1999 and, in that position, he was responsible for the disbursement of millions of CAC funds. Yet, as a 2003 report showed, Annenberg schools performed at about the same level as other schools in achievement tests. There is no indication that Obama asked for any accountability in the form of improved test scores during his years as board head.

    Also, there was a power struggle in 1999 between the Local School Councils and the then head of the Chicago Board of Education, Paul Vallas. Vallas was concerned because he was losing many of his experienced principals since the LSCs had the power to hire and fire, effectively acting as independent education boards. Vallas attempted to regain some of the power to hire and fire that was lost when the Chicago school system was decentralized. During this power struggle, Obama did not take a stand for either side and he did not, as a community leader, attempt to act as a “unifier” in order to bring the two sides together. Once the LSCs had cemented their power through the Illinois legislature, Obama came out in defense of LSCs.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2188010

    Ayers, who along with Obama worked so hard to “reform” Chicago schools,does not appear to have modified his views on education. In 2006, Ayers spoke before Chavez in Venezuela and said the following:

    “We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, …I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.”

    “Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space – what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom?”

    http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/11/

  • abc1 23

    Please see this video (and save it) before YouTube censors it. It pulls together all the pieces to show why Obama is not constitutionally qualified to be president.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

  • V

    Blog Proprietors:

    Every good little fascist knows that when you undertake to disappear dissent, you must also disappear all references to that dissent.

    Just a heads up; you missed the comment just above. Cheers, and sorry for agettin’ footyprints all over your nice clean propaganda again.

  • Patriot Forever

    The main stream media has been paid off by socialist billionaires like George Soros to promote Obama. All of Obama’s warts and faults have been ignored or glossed over. Obama is a wishy washy individual being used as a pawn by powerful puppet masters.
    Rezko( a Syrian) is a known crook that has ties to Nahdim Auchi, an Iraqi billionaire and friend of Saddam Hussein. Among his ventures, Auchi used to sell arms to Saddam when Saddam could not buy weapons from other countries.
    Auchi gave Rezko 3 million dollars when Rezko claimed in an affidavit that he was bankrupt and proceeded to buy the lot next to Obama’s home the following week.
    Obama is a crooked politician. Just think, how can a young inexperienced man from New York come to Chicago to be the Chairman of the Board of a group started by Ayers? Obama was responsible for managing 50 million dollars. How could that happen?
    Rezko gave money to start Obama’s campaign. Most of Rezko’s businesses were failures. He had money because Auchi(Saddam’s friend) gave him money all the time. Some reports claim Rezko got from Auchi about 27 million dollars. For what? What was the purpose of that “seed money”?
    If you dumb people vote for Obama we are in trouble. For all we know, this Manchurian candidate is in cahoots with the Kremlin or with Iran.
    Read Rick Moran’s article on Pajamas Media April 2008. Other articles about the Rezko, Auchi and Obama relationship appeared on the Sun Times of Chicago.

  • Kwaayesnama

    Ok!
    Lets think about this?
    Do you really think when push comes to shove the American people will vote for McBush?
    McCain is the one who supported the GOP’s trickledown economy.
    McCain is the man who voted to send our bravest to die looking for weapons of mass destruction that did not exist.
    McCain is the man who does not know that 9-11 was caused by Osama Bin Laden not Sedam Hussein.
    McCain is the man who does not know if the Sunnis or Sheits are our enemies!
    McCain is the man who put our government on the China, Saudi Arabia credit card.
    McCain is the man has adopted virtually the entire Bush agenda, often reversing long held positions and compromising supposed core principles. From Iraq, tax cuts for the wealthy, broken promises on the deficit to opposition to SCHIP, tax credits for health care, overturning Roe v. Wade and a right-wing Supreme Court, without question John McCain represents a third Bush term.
    I’m a Republican and I’m voting for Obama.
    I MIGHT BE A REPUBLICAN BUT I HAVE A BRAIN

    • imustprotest

      Then you are a fool.

    • McKatmoon

      That’s why you have nothing better to do than come somewhere where you know you don’t have a chance in hell to convert anyone. Loser.

  • John House

    HEY, anyone want to post about Bill Ayers’s WordPress blog? If it IS his blog…

    …does this sound like he’s “rehabilitated”? No, I don’t think so.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/18/born-in-the-usa/#more.3665 sad

    Court found in Jennifer Brunner’s favor so newly registered democrats don’t have to prove anything, address to vote. FOLKS, it appears we have already had our once great american judicial system infiltrated with socialists agenda to get their chosen one elected President of USA and there doesn’t seem to be anything we can do to stop it.

    I BET ACORN GETS OFF TOO!

    Obama campaign already has the votes rigged no matter how we vote. Time for the few non-corupt political people of power to rise up and stop this maddness before our country is ruined. It may be to late but we can’t give up the fight, few weeks left.
    What CAN WE DO???????

  • HARP

    Voting for Dodd has already shown your lack of intelligence…..scoot

  • hadenough

    Amazing…

  • Tricia

    How about Ayers was at his wedding 16 years ago!

  • jvsp

    “Barack Obama did not associate with Bill Ayers for over twenty years. Produce a single photograph of them together if you dispute this.”

    Prove they didn’t.

    That aside, the argument centers on Obama continually PREVARICATING about his “relationship” with Ayers. Maybe you ought to spend time enumerating all of Obama’s statements concerning Ayers providing an argument that shows how all of them are consistent with each other.

    Further, the precious Jack and Jill arguments of six year olds (since Jack did X it’s ok for Jill to do X) prove nothing.

    Moreover, there are the attempts to equate the actions of one person with those of the other, i.e. the X of Jack is NOT the X of Jill’s.

    And on it goes…

    The argument concerning Ayers regarding association has little force on its own. However, when one considers all of Obama’s associations, the presence of Ayers in Obama’s life merely bolsters the argument that Obama’s judgement is either incredibly impoverished, or that his ideology is less than nobel.

    Listing “facts” is no substitute for actually providing an argument.

  • Zeke

    A new one…
    The long winded, full of shit troll
    GFY

    [ADMIN: We're clamping down on such accusatory and rude language. Everyone who's used the term "Shit troll" is going on moderation until it stops. You'll be off moderation the second your comments are not about condemning other readers, but instead about the subject matters at hand.]

  • tommyo77

    almost everything you write is wrong and I don’t have the time or inclination to refute it. Ill just point out 3 #1 by law, because of Ayers legal position with Annenberg, he had to “hire” Obama #2 Alice Palmer is on record as saying that she was invited to a gathering that was intended to be Obama’s coming out, it wasnt for her it was for him, #3 what you state as evidence of Ayers being rehabilitated is just stupid, he espouses the same philosophy, denounces the US, goes to Venezuela and praises Hugo Chavez and doesnt repent for his crimes. Says he wishes he could have done more

  • mcpalin hill

    ray — This election is a referendum on Obama, his experience, his friends and the thugs he has paid $800,000 to steal this election for him. Obama is trying to hide from his past and its catching up with him. When you have too many balls in the air — some are going to drop. We can already see that Obama’s negatives are up 12% in the last few days. It ain’t over yet.

  • Khan Krum

    Is this hearsay, or is there any proof of this?

  • hadenough

    Just to pick out one issue. Even axelrove does not deny ayers hosted a meet and greet for obama. But that’s just one issue. The really sad part for you is that you read that incorrect information somewhere and then swallowed it whole. Never bothering to fact check. Somebody is treating you like a rube. But why shouldn’t they?

    You are either the laziest person in the world or you aren’t gonna let facts get in the way of your fiction. Either way you are a rube.

  • Khan Krum

    We need to use the indelible ink on election day and toss out any questionable mailed in ballot.

    Can you believe this sh#t?!! It’s like we’re in a Third World country now.

  • Paul3triple

    yes, but if he says they are prodding about obama. That should tell you something.
    The FBI and Fitz’s task force do not try to takedown anyone without a mountain of evidence.
    He makes sure his case’s are thorough.
    But, you are another guy who just does not care how many crooked and corrupt and racist american hating folks are around him.
    Rexko is just one more in a long line of Obama’s handlers that are at odds with who obama says he is.

  • NCgirl

    That was before, this is now. It depends on how much prosecutors offer him. People like Rezko will sell-out their mother if the deal is good enough.

  • WildChild

    hearsay is any statement made outside of court, not under oath.

  • jvsp

    “Perhaps the word “argument” does not mean what you think it means.”

    A basic first year logic course would defeat you.

  • notrees

    USSA–if Obama wins

  • WildChild

    Your boy demanded pictures as proof of the BOBO Ayers relationship. I’ve known people for twenty years and have no pictures of the two of us together. And none of them openly waged war against the US.

  • jvsp

    V

    It would be proving a negative if there were no evidence supporting the claim that they had a relationship for over twenty years.

  • Dawnelle

    it’s probably both

  • WildChild

    BOBO sure seemed ignorant of who Bill Ayers is.

  • Kato

    Wasn’t he living in Indonesia during those times?

  • Dawnelle

    can you even imagine what a FUNNY picture Pat could draw of what you just described???

    LOL I’m already chuckling!

  • WildChild

    I’m not exactly sure what a relatively public figure is. Maybe it’s one who waged war against the US at some point in their life? Of course, this might explain why no person with political ambitions would want to be photographed with them.

  • http://mmb silverfox

    lidia dear….

    your idealism is only exceeded by your ignorance.

  • Dawnelle

    YES WHERE THE HELL IS JIMMY CARTER?????????/

    MR. “WE WANT LEGITIMATE ELECTIONS IN EVERY DEMOCRATIC SEEKING COUNTRY”

    or something like that

    WHERE

    YOU

    BE

    JIMMY “Peanut” Holy Baptist X Pretzeldent?
    Mr. Nobel Prize winner for PEACE????

    WTF?

    WHERE R U?

    YOU REMIND ME OF THOSE WOMEN WHO THINK THEY ARE FEMINISTS BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT THEY ARE ONLY PROTECTORS OF THEIR OWN KIND!!

    Prejudice much??? Mr. H Y P O C R I T E!
    (you are long since off my heroes list, shameful old man) :- P~~ pft!

    I’m DONE defending you!

  • Dawnelle

    and please make me EAT my words by coming out and making a STINK about all of this FRAUD!

    please do

  • imustprotest

    Jimmy’s in the tank along with his friend ziggy brezinski aka: Mr. New World Government.

  • Postmaster

    maybe they will put him in the witness protection program.

  • WildChild

    LOL weren’t you the one rampaging around here a few minutes ago about proving negatives and how you enjoy a little goat whoopee on the kitchen table?

  • Docelder

    Obama says we are “air raiding villages” and “killing innocent civilians”. I would like to see some film clips of Ayers from the Vietnam era… because the underlying sentiment is the exact same.

  • Jim S

    So did I but just to inform your ignorant ass in war, Shit Happens! If your enemy builds a munitions plant in the middle of a densely populated neighborhood when civilians get killed you don’t blame the guy that drops the bombs, you blame the guy that put the civilians at risk.

  • MMI

    Where were you Lidia when America abandoned the Vietnamese and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese died in Communist re-education camps, in the ocean fleeing from the Communists, and in the harsh terrains of the Communist “New Economic Zones”? Where were you Lidia when Communist Pol Pot massacred 1/3 of the Cambodian population? Where were you Lidia when Castro murdered thousands of innocent people for expressing their political views?

    I am sick of your faux love for the Vietnamese people that promptly ended in April 1975 and only nostalgically revisited by people like yourself and Ayers in defense of terrorist acts. Ayers is no better than McVie.

    There were sincere, honest, patriotic people who opposed the war. Ayers was not one of them.

    Ayers had other avenues to express his opposition to the war. But it was not about opposition to the war for Ayers. It was about bringing a revolution to America. He, like Hitler, Lenin, Castro, Pol Pot, were opportunists who used the troubles of their times to force revolution. He could have cared less about the Vietnamese people. He probably celebrated their deaths because it furthered his revolutionary agenda by being the #1 recruiting point for his movement.

    Rehabilitated? Do you even know how that word is used in reference to the Soviet Union?

  • MMI

    PS. In case I did not make myself clear, that was my way of saying FU. Take your ignorance, lies, and your revisionist history and shove it.

  • hadenough

    Has anything changed?

    Just one tiny thing. rezko is now talking.

    rezko will most likely die of old age behind bars unless he gets a break. His only chance for a break is spilling the beans.

  • jvsp

    If “99,99%” of the presidents were liars (and I assume you believe that their lying to be worthy of condemnation), then you ought to be working to make sure another liar doesn’t get in. Unless, that is, you believe that since “99,99%” of the presidents have been liars, it is ok that the next one is.

    The above line of reasoning applies to your “ignorance” line.

  • WildChild

    everybody lies. What we’d like to avoid is another president who when caught in a lie will just keep lying. Hopefully Bush will be the last of that kind of president for awhile. But if America wants another one of them, BOBO is their man.

  • WildChild

    I think when you elaborated on what you and the goat did last night on the kitchen table….

  • WildChild

    We’re not the ones that felt the need to regale the blog with tales of goats, kitchen tables and what you frisky critters do together on a Friday night.

  • Donna Brazile

    Vee jay!

    What are you droning on about? Goodness gracious! Where did you come up with the BFF from Susan’s post? That’s your problem you take everything to the extreme because Barky is undefendable.

    Now, stop the hate, hater! Didn’t you hear that Barky already won so you’re wasting your time here?

  • WildChild

    no, not creepy. You’re a perverted asshole. Take your goat and move to a country where your kind of love is excepted and the rest of us can get back discussing this election.