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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12913</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the lies shot down, a house of cards imploding.

The process talk only distracted from the main issue, that will become even more an outrage with the eventual disclosures.

The intent can be assertained by the statement &quot;fair game&quot; and this will accelerate soon.


Unnamed was Colin Powell. Armitage is being a fall guy, his Senior boss is accountable and the man wasn&#039;t called forward? The Reps. Fear that because he will say something.

When internals that suggest promoting his son to FCC as a means of coverup come out, it will be the tipping point there and the man will stooge to new levels on his former co-conspiratores.

Someone mentioned Plame to Armitage, he was not a Senior administration person. The NSA oversees all interdepartment work. Condi was notably out of the DC limelight this past week.

Too many lies to deny, push harder. Call Powell before Congress and you will get impeachable material.

Call Rice before Congress, no communication was taken with regard to compliance. 

They cannot line out their lies, keep at them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the lies shot down, a house of cards imploding.</p>
<p>The process talk only distracted from the main issue, that will become even more an outrage with the eventual disclosures.</p>
<p>The intent can be assertained by the statement &#8220;fair game&#8221; and this will accelerate soon.</p>
<p>Unnamed was Colin Powell. Armitage is being a fall guy, his Senior boss is accountable and the man wasn&#8217;t called forward? The Reps. Fear that because he will say something.</p>
<p>When internals that suggest promoting his son to FCC as a means of coverup come out, it will be the tipping point there and the man will stooge to new levels on his former co-conspiratores.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned Plame to Armitage, he was not a Senior administration person. The NSA oversees all interdepartment work. Condi was notably out of the DC limelight this past week.</p>
<p>Too many lies to deny, push harder. Call Powell before Congress and you will get impeachable material.</p>
<p>Call Rice before Congress, no communication was taken with regard to compliance. </p>
<p>They cannot line out their lies, keep at them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12912</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amazing Larisa Alexandrovna has the answer to my question.

Verrry  interesting!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_role_in_outing_of_CIA_1012.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_role_in_outing_of_CIA_1012.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amazing Larisa Alexandrovna has the answer to my question.</p>
<p>Verrry  interesting!</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_role_in_outing_of_CIA_1012.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_role_in_outing_of_CIA_1012.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12911</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question:   Did any evidence during the Libby trial emerge to prove the existence of The White House Iraq Group (WHIG)?

The very idea that it was established...and who comprised it....and for what purpose....would go a long way to show their intent.....as part of the PATTERN of building the case for their phony war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question:   Did any evidence during the Libby trial emerge to prove the existence of The White House Iraq Group (WHIG)?</p>
<p>The very idea that it was established&#8230;and who comprised it&#8230;.and for what purpose&#8230;.would go a long way to show their intent&#8230;..as part of the PATTERN of building the case for their phony war.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12910</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your posts, too, Chris V.  

Here&#039;s another good one:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070316_truthdigger_of_the_week_valerie_plame_wilson/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070316_truthdigger_of_the_week_valerie_plame_wilson/&lt;/a&gt;

Though I would say Valerie Plame Wilson is Person (&quot;Truthdigger&quot;) of the Year...or Decade.

I got tears and chills, too, when I saw her walk in and all you could hear was the sound of cameras flashing.   I&#039;m so grateful to Rep. Henry Waxman for having given her that opportunity.

Let&#039;s hear it for the Wilsons!   Hooray!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your posts, too, Chris V.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another good one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070316_truthdigger_of_the_week_valerie_plame_wilson/" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070316_truthdigger_of_the_week_valerie_plame_wilson/</a></p>
<p>Though I would say Valerie Plame Wilson is Person (&#8220;Truthdigger&#8221;) of the Year&#8230;or Decade.</p>
<p>I got tears and chills, too, when I saw her walk in and all you could hear was the sound of cameras flashing.   I&#8217;m so grateful to Rep. Henry Waxman for having given her that opportunity.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hear it for the Wilsons!   Hooray!</p>
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		<title>By: Centrocitta</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12909</link>
		<dc:creator>Centrocitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I think the CIA could have done more.  By the way, I am a registered Democrat.  Have never voted for a republican candidate and don&#039;t ever intend to.  But here&#039;s another scenario:  

An unsuspecting, natural born, upstanding American citizen marries an immigrant.  She takes his sur name.  During first year of marriage, it&#039;s time to renew her American passport.  She renews it in her new, legal name.  He turns out to be a suspicious character and she files for divorce.  But she has trouble getting the divorce.  The first lawyer fires her, the second lawyer was very smug.   

Immediately after divorce, American citizen sends her passport away to be amended to reflect her own, given name.  Passport is returned &quot;Amended&quot; but the name of the ex still appears prominently on the face of the passport right under her picture.  

American citizen decides to become an expat and live south of the border.  She applies for a Visa with Mexican Consulate in Texas and gives them a copy of her American passport.  She sells her home and moves to Mexico.  

While in Mexico, she learns that she was born with dual citizenship because her parents are Italian.  She applies for an Italian passport and gives a copy of her American passport to the Italian Embassy in Mexico.  She then receives the Italian passport and moves to Italy.  

Within one year of residing in Italy, she starts seeing pictures of a man who resembles her ex all over the TV, Internet, Newspapers, etc.  It gets worse and worse.  More and more pictures and talk of this person.  Everywhere she goes, she sees his picture.  

Now, she is getting scared.  When she goes home to see her mother in the USA and uses her American passport, is she going to be detained?  Arrested?  Kidnapped?  Thrown into a secret prison somewhere?  

She decides to write a letter to an important person.  She tells him of her fears and asks &quot;who is this person she divorced and whose picture she sees all over the world and whose name is on her passport&quot;?  

No reply from the important person but five months later, the American Embassy in Rome sends an email to its citizens in Italy.  &quot;For security purposes, we are no longer amending passports.  If you have a name change, you will get a NEW passport&quot;.  A little late, I would think, if you get my drift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I think the CIA could have done more.  By the way, I am a registered Democrat.  Have never voted for a republican candidate and don&#8217;t ever intend to.  But here&#8217;s another scenario:  </p>
<p>An unsuspecting, natural born, upstanding American citizen marries an immigrant.  She takes his sur name.  During first year of marriage, it&#8217;s time to renew her American passport.  She renews it in her new, legal name.  He turns out to be a suspicious character and she files for divorce.  But she has trouble getting the divorce.  The first lawyer fires her, the second lawyer was very smug.   </p>
<p>Immediately after divorce, American citizen sends her passport away to be amended to reflect her own, given name.  Passport is returned &#8220;Amended&#8221; but the name of the ex still appears prominently on the face of the passport right under her picture.  </p>
<p>American citizen decides to become an expat and live south of the border.  She applies for a Visa with Mexican Consulate in Texas and gives them a copy of her American passport.  She sells her home and moves to Mexico.  </p>
<p>While in Mexico, she learns that she was born with dual citizenship because her parents are Italian.  She applies for an Italian passport and gives a copy of her American passport to the Italian Embassy in Mexico.  She then receives the Italian passport and moves to Italy.  </p>
<p>Within one year of residing in Italy, she starts seeing pictures of a man who resembles her ex all over the TV, Internet, Newspapers, etc.  It gets worse and worse.  More and more pictures and talk of this person.  Everywhere she goes, she sees his picture.  </p>
<p>Now, she is getting scared.  When she goes home to see her mother in the USA and uses her American passport, is she going to be detained?  Arrested?  Kidnapped?  Thrown into a secret prison somewhere?  </p>
<p>She decides to write a letter to an important person.  She tells him of her fears and asks &#8220;who is this person she divorced and whose picture she sees all over the world and whose name is on her passport&#8221;?  </p>
<p>No reply from the important person but five months later, the American Embassy in Rome sends an email to its citizens in Italy.  &#8220;For security purposes, we are no longer amending passports.  If you have a name change, you will get a NEW passport&#8221;.  A little late, I would think, if you get my drift.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12908</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya gotta love that Waxman!    :-)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya gotta love that Waxman!    <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Waxman_sends_letter_to_White_House_0316.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: PrchrLady</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12907</link>
		<dc:creator>PrchrLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, unfortunately, Chris, you are right.  I stand corrected.  i appreciate all your comments here...  I think looking at all those Faux news clips must have strained my thought process a bit...  I can hardly wait to hear how they spin all this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, unfortunately, Chris, you are right.  I stand corrected.  i appreciate all your comments here&#8230;  I think looking at all those Faux news clips must have strained my thought process a bit&#8230;  I can hardly wait to hear how they spin all this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12906</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prchr Lady writes: &quot;Chris and all, don&#039;t worry about the trolls. They will go away when we keep ignoring the lies that they tell...&quot;

As you must know by now [laughing], I&#039;m disinclined to ignore trolls. With respect, Prchr Lady, ignoring the lies is what got us into this mess in the first place; this is part of what Edmund Burke was talking about when he said that all that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

Never Again, dammit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prchr Lady writes: &#8220;Chris and all, don&#8217;t worry about the trolls. They will go away when we keep ignoring the lies that they tell&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>As you must know by now [laughing], I&#8217;m disinclined to ignore trolls. With respect, Prchr Lady, ignoring the lies is what got us into this mess in the first place; this is part of what Edmund Burke was talking about when he said that all that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.</p>
<p>Never Again, dammit.</p>
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		<title>By: PrchrLady</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12905</link>
		<dc:creator>PrchrLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toesring sounded scared to me while she was speachifying at the start of the hearing.  I could feel it in the way she tried so hard to defend the evil ones she represents.

I was very impressed with Valerie&#039;s testimony, and esp grateful to her for the service she continues to provide this country.  She is doing something so worthwhile and important, and I bless her efforts.  

Chris and all, don&#039;t worry about the trolls.  They will go away when we keep ignoring the lies that they tell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toesring sounded scared to me while she was speachifying at the start of the hearing.  I could feel it in the way she tried so hard to defend the evil ones she represents.</p>
<p>I was very impressed with Valerie&#8217;s testimony, and esp grateful to her for the service she continues to provide this country.  She is doing something so worthwhile and important, and I bless her efforts.  </p>
<p>Chris and all, don&#8217;t worry about the trolls.  They will go away when we keep ignoring the lies that they tell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jedermann</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12904</link>
		<dc:creator>jedermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to cut to the heart of the Plame matter is to simply imagine you have been offered a job working undercover in The War On Terrorism. Your prospective employer has decided to be real up-front with you and tells you that your identity as an agent will be guarded with the utmost secrecy, unless, of course, it becomes politically expedient to give you up. Would you risk your life and that of everyone you do business with on that basis? How expendible do you consider yourself to be? Maybe you are happy to sacrifice yourself for your country. Are you happy to sacrifice yourself for the Republican party or the Neocon faction that is controlling it? That is what prospective employees of the United States intelligence agencies must ask themselves. Great for recruiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to cut to the heart of the Plame matter is to simply imagine you have been offered a job working undercover in The War On Terrorism. Your prospective employer has decided to be real up-front with you and tells you that your identity as an agent will be guarded with the utmost secrecy, unless, of course, it becomes politically expedient to give you up. Would you risk your life and that of everyone you do business with on that basis? How expendible do you consider yourself to be? Maybe you are happy to sacrifice yourself for your country. Are you happy to sacrifice yourself for the Republican party or the Neocon faction that is controlling it? That is what prospective employees of the United States intelligence agencies must ask themselves. Great for recruiting.</p>
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		<title>By: jurassicpork</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12903</link>
		<dc:creator>jurassicpork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Val opening with, &quot;I was a covert agent&quot; was a very good beginning, the best one she could&#039;ve made. That&#039;ll force the wingnuts to say, &quot;No you weren&#039;t!&quot;, which will only make them them look stupider than we already give them credit for.

Good on her.

Btw, #62: W For Vendetta Edition is just up for your amusement or bemusement. On the spit this week: Alberto Gonzo
Turdblossom and the DOJ
Zell Miller
Phil Gingrey
Peter Pace
The June Taylor dancers...

I imagine next weekend&#039;s edition will be completely dominated with the wingnut response to her testimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Val opening with, &#8220;I was a covert agent&#8221; was a very good beginning, the best one she could&#8217;ve made. That&#8217;ll force the wingnuts to say, &#8220;No you weren&#8217;t!&#8221;, which will only make them them look stupider than we already give them credit for.</p>
<p>Good on her.</p>
<p>Btw, #62: W For Vendetta Edition is just up for your amusement or bemusement. On the spit this week: Alberto Gonzo<br />
Turdblossom and the DOJ<br />
Zell Miller<br />
Phil Gingrey<br />
Peter Pace<br />
The June Taylor dancers&#8230;</p>
<p>I imagine next weekend&#8217;s edition will be completely dominated with the wingnut response to her testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12902</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JL writes: &quot;Chris, You chased Mata away...&quot;

Oh dear... Was it something I said?

Nah, couldn&#039;t be. After all we&#039;re talking about someone who feels that &quot;debate on issues is far more beneficial to both parties when it involves facts instead of personal accusations,&quot; so what&#039;s the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JL writes: &#8220;Chris, You chased Mata away&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh dear&#8230; Was it something I said?</p>
<p>Nah, couldn&#8217;t be. After all we&#8217;re talking about someone who feels that &#8220;debate on issues is far more beneficial to both parties when it involves facts instead of personal accusations,&#8221; so what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12901</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mata-  you arne&#039;t going to trip anyone here up as per the plame case.  go back to to little green footballs.  several people here have been knee deep in this thing for lke 4 years.  we know the butler report.  I frickin wrote it! 

I&#039;m Lester butler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mata-  you arne&#8217;t going to trip anyone here up as per the plame case.  go back to to little green footballs.  several people here have been knee deep in this thing for lke 4 years.  we know the butler report.  I frickin wrote it! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m Lester butler</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12900</link>
		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, You chased Mata away or maybe as an employee for ??? It was time to close up shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, You chased Mata away or maybe as an employee for ??? It was time to close up shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Vosburg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/538/live-blogging-oversight-hearing/#comment-12899</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Vosburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MataHarley writes: &quot;Ms. Plame answered one of the first questions on the &#039;how she felt&#039; upon seeing Novak&#039;s article with Joe&#039;s comment &#039;OMG, he did it&#039; while tossing the paper the table.&quot;

The quotation marks you&#039;ve included imply that she&#039;s quoting Joe verbatim.

A lie. [yawning] How dare you.

Just had a look at the replay of her testimony, and she is actually responding in her own voice to a question of when she first heard about Novak&#039;s article outing her (&quot;it&quot;, in context).

She simply says that Joe dropped the newpaper and told her that he did it. Notice lack of quotes, and how it changes the sense of the phrase. 

Does this put to rest any lingering doubts about whether you are arguing in good faith?

Right, why&#039;d I ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MataHarley writes: &#8220;Ms. Plame answered one of the first questions on the &#8216;how she felt&#8217; upon seeing Novak&#8217;s article with Joe&#8217;s comment &#8216;OMG, he did it&#8217; while tossing the paper the table.&#8221;</p>
<p>The quotation marks you&#8217;ve included imply that she&#8217;s quoting Joe verbatim.</p>
<p>A lie. [yawning] How dare you.</p>
<p>Just had a look at the replay of her testimony, and she is actually responding in her own voice to a question of when she first heard about Novak&#8217;s article outing her (&#8220;it&#8221;, in context).</p>
<p>She simply says that Joe dropped the newpaper and told her that he did it. Notice lack of quotes, and how it changes the sense of the phrase. </p>
<p>Does this put to rest any lingering doubts about whether you are arguing in good faith?</p>
<p>Right, why&#8217;d I ask.</p>
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